Pricelessware Info Page
Susan Bugher
Pricelessware Info page.
NOT a list of which ware types are on-topic.
Just a list that shows the difference between adware and nagware, etc.
etc.
I created the list below as a starting point.
Additions, corrections and comments are requested.
Susan
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freeware (broad definition): usable software, no payment required, not
time limited.
donationware: optional monetary contribution
charityware: optional monetary contribution to charity
cardware: non-monetary request
careware: non-monetary request
postcardware: non-monetary request
mailware: non-monetary request
registerware: personal information is required before you can download
the software
liteware: light version of a commercial program
Crippleware: some features of the software are not available when used
as freeware, these features are unlocked if payment is made for the
software
freeware with Splash Screen commercial: displays an ad for a commercial
version of the program or asks you to purchase the software, the program
starts after displaying the message
Nagware: displays an ad for a commercial version of the program or asks
you to purchase the software, this ad must be acknowledged by clicking
on a button before the program will start.
Adware: displays commercial messages - often downloaded from the net by
the software
Betaware: preliminary version - not fully tested
Trialware: software which stops working after a short period of time
(usually 30 days)
Shareware: payment is required for legal use of the software
Spyware: software that sends information about you and your computer to
others without your knowledge.
Warez: pirated software
Demo-ware: non-working program which demonstrates software features
Dick Hazeleger
Good initiative, one question though: Trialware and Shareware... aren't
these different names for the same kind of software?
Dick
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Dan Goodman
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>> Trialware: software which stops working after a short period of time
>> (usually 30 days)
>>
>> Shareware: payment is required for legal use of the software
>
> Good initiative, one question though: Trialware and Shareware... aren't
> these different names for the same kind of software?
>
No. Reread the definitions above carefully.
Rule of thumb: The answer to "It's the same thing, isn't it?" is usually
"No". Which doesn't mean the difference matters to _you_.
Susan Bugher
> > Trialware: software which stops working after a short period of time
> > (usually 30 days)
> >
> > Shareware: payment is required for legal use of the software
> Good initiative, one question though: Trialware and Shareware... aren't
> these different names for the same kind of software?
In my book the distinction is that trialware is free but eventually
stops working if you don't pay for it, shareware doesn't time out but
you are legally obligated to pay for it.
Better wording for the definitions?
Susan
Ethel Mooner
"Dan Goodman" <dsg...@visi.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9381BE876B0...@209.98.13.60...
> "Dick Hazeleger" <dick@postit_in_the_newsgroup.com> wrote in
> > Good initiative, one question though: Trialware and Shareware... aren't
> > these different names for the same kind of software?
> >
> No. Reread the definitions above carefully.
LOL!
Ethel Mooner
Spacey Spade
>I think it would be helpful to have a list of *ware* types on the
>Pricelessware Info page.
>
>NOT a list of which ware types are on-topic.
>
>Just a list that shows the difference between adware and nagware, etc.
>etc.
>
>I created the list below as a starting point.
>
>Additions, corrections and comments are requested.
>
>Susan
>
>-----------------
I have seen definitions like this before... perhaps in one of the ACF
member sites?
kqs_v1
The way you have it above, is as it should be, proper and pure. (Along
these lines, I have a notion that the ASP, at least historically, had
it as a criterion that its members' shareware would not be crippled --
nor time out.)
When I am researching to purchase a program, I try to avoid trialware. Nine
times out of ten, it will have timed out before I've run it more than once
or twice, which means a waste of my time, and defeated purpose. So I like
that you have distinguished trialware separate from shareware.
But, the way things get categorized out there by the sellers and listers,
is different. Trialware is seen as indistinct from regular shareware, and
the time-out aspect is so predominant now that the downloader is often not
even warned. That unfortunate layout of the land is what made it natural
for Dick to ask about shareware and trialware being synonymous.
I definitely wish that payware out there had shareware and trialware listed
in separate categories, so that I would not have to suffer the latter, but
the way it is now, I haven't seen anyone rise up to honoring the
distinction.
I agree that trialware is separate from shareware. At absolute minimum, it
should be recognized as a subset.
Parting comment: Your post, the whole group of definitions, it was highly
satisfactory (good work).
--
/kqs
John Corliss
More specifically here:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
and those definitions were agreed upon by *extensive discussion* in
this group. Susan, what you are doing has already been done and by
this group.
--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
John Corliss
> I think it would be helpful to have a list of *ware* types on the
> Pricelessware Info page.
> NOT a list of which ware types are on-topic.
In my version of the F.A.Q., this has already been done:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./Page3.html
If you look at the list, it contains just about every kind of software
type that is out there. Just because the list also says whether or not
discussion of that type is on topic or not does not demean it's value
as a list of definitions. Why have you decided to start this process
again? Definitions do not change.
> Just a list that shows the difference between adware and nagware, etc.
> etc.
> I created the list below as a starting point.
> Additions, corrections and comments are requested.
> Susan
Susan,
Why are you doing this? The definitions in my version of the
F.A.Q. were arrived at only after extensive discussion in this group.
They have served the purpose well and as I said earlier, definitions
do not change. Your announcement of an addition of a list of
definitions to the Pricelessware page is going to only create a lot of
turmoil in this group. In addition to that, some of your definitions
are incorrect and are going to lead to the end of the usefullness of
this group.
You say "Crippleware: some features of the software are not available
when used as freeware" when by the very definition of crippleware it
is NOT and can NEVER BE freeware.
You assert that "freeware with Splash Screen commercial: displays an
ad for a commercial version of the program or asks you to purchase the
software, the program starts after displaying the message" is not
Nagware because one doesn't have to acknowledge the message. This is
not correct. Nagware is Nagware. A nag screen is a nag screen.
The definition of freeware MUST be very specific because there are so
many people out there who seek to chip away at and undermine that
definition for monetary purposes. Your attempt to "broaden" the
definition of freeware is effectively the fullfillment of one of the
most fundamental assaults on this group. Why have you chosen to do
this after all of your fine work on the Pricelessware page?
Rather than simply announcing that you are going to single handedly
restart the tedious and argumentative process of creating this group's
agreed upon definitions of freeware types from scratch, it would have
been a much better thing to acknowledge that this group already has
taken care of this task.
Susan Bugher
Hello John,
http://www.pricelessware.org/index.htm
The Pricelessware home page says:
<quote>
There are NO Adware/Spyware programs included in the Pricelessware List.
Please read alt.comp.freeware 's position on Adware in the following FAQ
links: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html#11
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./Page3.html
</quote>
I do not want to create a third FAQ.
The home page goes on to say:
<quote>
Some of the detailed information for each program includes special
notations. These indicate a specific issue with the program. It could be
that the program is a LIGHT version, that the program requires
registration before download or that the program suggested is the last
Freeware version available.
</quote>
I think it would be helpful to have definitions of the special notations
used to describe Pricelessware programs on the Pricelessware pages - for
the benefit of visitors viewing the pages - especially those who to not
frequent the ACF newsgroup.
the Pricelessware 2003 includes:
donationware
charityware
cardware
careware
postcardware
mailware
registerware
light versions of commercial programs
Adware/Spyware is mentioned on the home page, a definition of those
terms also seems called for.
For completeness I extended the *ware* list to include types of ware not
on the Pricelessware list.
The distinction between adware/nagware/ and splash screens seems to be
an area of confusion for many of us. IMO, concise definitions would be
helpful.
The Pricelessware list includes software with a Splash Screen commercial
(example: Zone Alarm). A recent post to ACF asserted that this was not
nagware, but a program that required you to acknowledge a start screen
by pushing a button was.
I did not intend to imply that all types of *freeware* are appropriate
for discussion on ACF. Something like this might be better as an opening
statement on the definition list:
Broadly defined, freeware is usable software, no payment required, not
time limited. The ACF newsgroup prefers *pure* freeware: freeware
without limitations. Some limited/crippled software which meets the
broad definition of freeware is considered off-topic in ACF.
John, I am NOT trying to undermine the ACF concept of freeware. I do
think a definition of ware types would be helpful on the Pricelessware
pages.
Susan
Ethel Mooner
news:vcmjk4...@corp.supernews.com...
> In my version of the F.A.Q., this has already been done:
>
> http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./Page3.html
From: The John Corliss Usenet Glossary
John Corliss's ACF FAQ: The sole and absolute authority concerning the
immutable laws governing the nature and purpose of alt.comp.freeware, the
definitions of said freeware, and the correct deportment of subscribers, as
received from Almighty God by John Corliss Esquire, His chosen
representative on Earth.
-------------
Ethel Mooner
Susan Bugher
>
> Parting comment: Your post, the whole group of definitions, it was highly
> satisfactory (good work).
Thank you kindly for the compliment. :)
I hope ACF readers who do not agree will suggest revisions.
Susan
Susan Bugher
>
SNIP
>
When I asked for comments I meant comments that had some value.
Susan
Vic Dura
John Corliss <jcor...@Ihatespam.net> wrote:
>In my version of the F.A.Q., this has already been done:
And JC's version of anything is *the law* because *he* is *the law* in
ACF.
Vic Dura
Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
>I think it would be helpful to have definitions of the special notations
>used to describe Pricelessware programs on the Pricelessware pages - for
>the benefit of visitors viewing the pages - especially those who to not
>frequent the ACF newsgroup.
Good point.
Vic Dura
John Corliss <jcor...@Ihatespam.net> wrote:
>If you look at the list, it contains just about every kind of software
>type that is out there. Just because the list also says whether or not
>discussion of that type is on topic or not does not demean it's value
>as a list of definitions. Why have you decided to start this process
>again? Definitions do not change.
Definitions are as varied as the people who interpret them. Since ACF
(and other NG) participants are always changing, accepted definitions
will also tend to change.
Change: it's a part of life.
REMbr...@inu.net
>Thank you kindly for the compliment. :)
Rock on.
>I hope ACF readers who do not agree will suggest revisions.
You're doing quite well :)
Ethel Mooner
"Susan Bugher" <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote in message
news:3ECBD9E9...@kvi.net...
> When I asked for comments I meant comments that had some value.
Don't get your panties all in a twist over nothing. That's the most valuable
comment I have for you, Bughie-Woogie! ;-)
Ethel Mooner
Semolina Pilchard
>I think it would be helpful to have definitions of the special notations
>used to describe Pricelessware programs on the Pricelessware pages - for
>the benefit of visitors viewing the pages - especially those who to not
>frequent the ACF newsgroup.
I believe that's so. a.cf has lost the primacy it once held in the
freeware field because of the persistent foolishness of some
contributors during the last couple of years. Many visitors to the
Pricelessware site are now approaching it from other references and
are unlikely to refer to this group for guidance. Brief and clear
help on the various categories of software should not be hard to
arrive at, if the usual endless nit-picking is disregarded.
That's not to say I would wish to vary in any significant way from
what has been previously decided in the two faqs, rather, I would
suggest, they could be converted to an easy and brief reference on the
site. Be glad to help if I can.
--
Semolina Pilchard
Dick Hazeleger
did re-read the definitions three times and to me the difference was that
small that I had to ask the question to Susan...
Rule of thumb 2: The answer could be "Yes" and you'd hit your forehead with
a hammer for not asking... Please remember that there are no dumb questions,
just dumb answers!
Susan, no offence meant and I like that list (I think I started in saying
that).
As to the criticism that this list already exists. It's the same as in
Security and Privacy.. the more people see those things (lists, FAQ's, web
sites, etc.) the more they get acustomed by these ideas and even might start
using the terminology or tools! No offence John C. but an extra page
wouldn't hurt!
Dick
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John Fitzsimons
<whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
< snip >
>Spyware: software that sends information about you and your computer to
>others without your knowledge.
So if I use a spyware program and it sends out information with my
knowledge then it ceases to be spyware ? Not in my books. Spyware is
spyware. If I know it is spying then it remains spyware.
>Warez: pirated software
I would put "Warez: pirated (stolen) software".
>Demo-ware: non-working program which demonstrates software features
Demo-ware can be a fully working, time limited, program.
Regards, John.
Jenny_Harper
news:7hqncvsv78igt61ic...@4ax.com...
> So if I use a spyware program and it sends out information with my
> knowledge then it ceases to be spyware ? Not in my books. Spyware is
> spyware. If I know it is spying then it remains spyware.
No. The word "spying" implies covert activity. Or do you consider your
browser to be spyware simply because it sends out information?
> >Warez: pirated software
>
> I would put "Warez: pirated (stolen) software".
As opposed to legitimate pirated software?
Jenny
Tiger
news:bah8al$t57sl$1...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de:
> "John Fitzsimons" <xpm4s...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
> news:7hqncvsv78igt61ic...@4ax.com...
>
>> >Warez: pirated software
>>
>> I would put "Warez: pirated (stolen) software".
>
> As opposed to legitimate pirated software?
>
Many people read web pages. Not all know what "pirated"
means...perhaps especially non-native English speakers.
--
Tiger
Dan Goodman
> Dan Goodman <dsg...@visi.com> wrote:
>> "Dick Hazeleger" <dick@postit_in_the_newsgroup.com> wrote in
>> news:vclev5j...@corp.supernews.com:
>>
>>>> Trialware: software which stops working after a short period of
>>>> time (usually 30 days)
>>>>
>>>> Shareware: payment is required for legal use of the software
>>>
>>> Good initiative, one question though: Trialware and Shareware...
>>> aren't these different names for the same kind of software?
>>>
>> No. Reread the definitions above carefully.
>>
>> Rule of thumb: The answer to "It's the same thing, isn't it?" is
>> usually "No". Which doesn't mean the difference matters to _you_.
>
> did re-read the definitions three times and to me the difference was
> that
> small that I had to ask the question to Susan...
Okay -- to you, it wasn't as obvious as it was to me.
> Rule of thumb 2: The answer could be "Yes" and you'd hit your forehead
> with a hammer for not asking... Please remember that there are no dumb
> questions, just dumb answers!
Well, usually. However: the Twin Cities public transit agency has a
campaign to reassure people not used to riding the bus that there are no
dumb questions.
One of their example questions was "Do bus drivers know the lyrics to
Freebird?"
Blinky the Shark
>> >Warez: pirated software
I think John's language is a good idea. If the inclusion of "(stolen)"
as an intensifier makes even 1 in 10,000 newbs think twice, who might
not otherwise have, it's useful.
And its parentheticalization makes it clear that "(stolen)" is being
used as clarification, not as a modifier, as you imply. So no, it
doesn't mean "pirated stolen" freeware, because of the way it's written.
Therefore it doesn't imply that there is "legitimate pirated" software,
as you seem to believe it does. I suspect that's why it was *presented*
as
pirated (stolen) software
and not
legitimate pirated software.
Ultimately, your comment is cute, but not relevant.
--
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Blinky the Shark
>>> >Warez: pirated software
Besides, the parentheses show that "stolen" is a clarifier, not a
modifier, so it in *no* way implies that that there is any other
kind of pirateware. The objection, however well-meaning, is
misguided.
Jenny_Harper
news:slrnbcolmt....@adam.blinkynet.net...
> Jenny_Harper wrote:
> > "John Fitzsimons" <xpm4s...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
> > news:7hqncvsv78igt61ic...@4ax.com...
>
> >> So if I use a spyware program and it sends out information with my
> >> knowledge then it ceases to be spyware ? Not in my books. Spyware is
> >> spyware. If I know it is spying then it remains spyware.
>
> > No. The word "spying" implies covert activity. Or do you consider your
> > browser to be spyware simply because it sends out information?
>
> >> >Warez: pirated software
>
> >> I would put "Warez: pirated (stolen) software".
>
> > As opposed to legitimate pirated software?
>
> I think John's language is a good idea. If the inclusion of "(stolen)"
> as an intensifier makes even 1 in 10,000 newbs think twice, who might
> not otherwise have, it's useful.
>
> And its parentheticalization makes it clear that "(stolen)" is being
> used as clarification, not as a modifier, as you imply. So no, it
> doesn't mean "pirated stolen" freeware, because of the way it's written.
> Therefore it doesn't imply that there is "legitimate pirated" software,
> as you seem to believe it does. I suspect that's why it was *presented*
> as
>
> pirated (stolen) software
>
> and not
>
> legitimate pirated software.
>
> Ultimately, your comment is cute, but not relevant.
Cute? How dare you patronize me? I posted in support of Susan because it
seems to me that a small clique of men think they own this newsgroup and
jump on any suggestions that any woman dares to make. I think most inernet
users know what "pirate" means whether they're English speakers or not. But
even if you disagree there was NO need to insult me by calling my comment
"cute". It's arrogant, opinionated men like you that keep women away from
this newsgroup.
Jenny
sli
>
> It's arrogant, opinionated
> men like you that keep women away from this newsgroup.
>
and his ilk.
Blinky the Shark
>> >> >Warez: pirated software
>> pirated (stolen) software
>> and not
>> legitimate pirated software.
I don't. I got a chuckle out of it, and I don't mean *that*
condesendingly, either. I have a similar thing, myself, with "exact
same": is that versus inexact same, or same different? :)
But you can get all defensive if you wish.
> seems to me that a small clique of men think they own this newsgroup and
> jump on any suggestions that any woman dares to make. I think most inernet
The level of your defensiveness just overflowed to paranoia.
Obviously no need for further discussion on this. Have a nice snit.
Blinky the Shark
> Jenny_Harper wrote:
Might want to read the whole conversation, "sli". The only sexism
anywhere therein is from "Jenny_Harper". It takes the form of sexist
paranoia, and that's at least as bad as any other kind. It makes people
lash out randomly at whoever's nearby when the twitches start happening,
and the Voices begin again.
Vic Dura
"Jenny_Harper" <jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Cute? How dare you patronize me? I posted in support of Susan because it
>seems to me that a small clique of men think they own this newsgroup and
>jump on any suggestions that any woman dares to make. I think most inernet
>users know what "pirate" means whether they're English speakers or not. But
>even if you disagree there was NO need to insult me by calling my comment
>"cute". It's arrogant, opinionated men like you that keep women away from
>this newsgroup.
Good points. But the "arrogant, opinionated" are discouraging all
posters, not just women. Although as you say, they do seem
particularly hard on women.
Susan Bugher
>
> Rule of thumb 2: The answer could be "Yes" and you'd hit your forehead with
> a hammer for not asking... Please remember that there are no dumb questions,
> just dumb answers!
>
> Susan, no offence meant and I like that list (I think I started in saying
> that).
>
> As to the criticism that this list already exists. It's the same as in
> Security and Privacy.. the more people see those things (lists, FAQ's, web
> sites, etc.) the more they get acustomed by these ideas and even might start
> using the terminology or tools! No offence John C. but an extra page
> wouldn't hurt!
Hi Dick,
re your question:
Rule no. l : There are no dumb questions.
Rule no. 2 : There are no dumb questions.
Rule no. 3 : There are no dumb questions.
etc. etc.
and if the answer seems dumb and/or you don't understand it, see Rule
no. l - and ask another question.
climbing down from soapbox . . . :)
Glad you approve of the idea of adding a *ware* list to the
Pricelessware pages.
Those who don't and haven't commented, please speak up and note your
objections.
Susan
Jenny_Harper
"Blinky the Shark" <no....@box.invalid> wrote in message
That just shows what a sexist hypocrite you are. It's alright for the boys
to have their little joke but if a woman dares to question the judgement of
a man you all jump down her throat.
> But you can get all defensive if you wish.
I was NOT being defensive. Your post was sexist and very insulting. Would
you have told a man that his post was "cute"? Of course not. You assume that
women are easy targets and pick on them like the cowardly bully you are.
>
> > seems to me that a small clique of men think they own this newsgroup and
> > jump on any suggestions that any woman dares to make. I think most
inernet
>
> The level of your defensiveness just overflowed to paranoia.
>
> Obviously no need for further discussion on this. Have a nice snit.
"Have a nice snit". Would you say THAT to a man?
This is not about defensivness and paranioa at all. All I ask for is the
same level of respect you would give to a male poster. You obviosuly have a
big problem with powerful women but that's no excuse for the rudeness and
disrespect you have shown me. I am NOT paranoid. I hold down a responsible
decision making job and bring up two kids on my own. It's NOT paranoid or
defensive to demand a little basic respect.
Jenny
Jenny_Harper
> sli wrote:
>
> > Jenny_Harper wrote:
>
> >> It's arrogant, opinionated men like you that keep women away from
> >> this newsgroup.
>
> > Not just women. Do what any sensible person would do. Killfile
> > "Blinky" and his ilk.
>
> Might want to read the whole conversation, "sli". The only sexism
> anywhere therein is from "Jenny_Harper". It takes the form of sexist
> paranoia, and that's at least as bad as any other kind. It makes people
> lash out randomly at whoever's nearby when the twitches start happening,
> and the Voices begin again.
Now you're implying that I'm mad. I suppose that's not sexist or arrogant
either?
Jenny
Jenny_Harper
"sli" <s...@pyro.net> wrote in message
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Jenny
John Corliss
> John Corliss wrote:
>>Susan Bugher wrote:
>>
>>>I think it would be helpful to have a list of *ware* types on the
>>>Pricelessware Info page.
>>>NOT a list of which ware types are on-topic.
>>
>>In my version of the F.A.Q., this has already been done:
>>
>>
>>If you look at the list, it contains just about every kind of software
>>type that is out there. Just because the list also says whether or not
>>discussion of that type is on topic or not does not demean it's value
>>as a list of definitions. Why have you decided to start this process
>>again? Definitions do not change.
>>
>>
>>>etc.
>>>I created the list below as a starting point.
>>>Additions, corrections and comments are requested.
>>>Susan
>>
>>Susan,
>> Why are you doing this? The definitions in my version of the
>>F.A.Q. were arrived at only after extensive discussion in this group.
>>They have served the purpose well and as I said earlier, definitions
>>do not change. Your announcement of an addition of a list of
>>definitions to the Pricelessware page is going to only create a lot of
>>turmoil in this group. In addition to that, some of your definitions
>>are incorrect and are going to lead to the end of the usefullness of
>>this group.
>>
>>You say "Crippleware: some features of the software are not available
>>when used as freeware" when by the very definition of crippleware it
>>is NOT and can NEVER BE freeware.
>>
>>You assert that "freeware with Splash Screen commercial: displays an
>>ad for a commercial version of the program or asks you to purchase the
>>software, the program starts after displaying the message" is not
>>Nagware because one doesn't have to acknowledge the message. This is
>>not correct. Nagware is Nagware. A nag screen is a nag screen.
>>
>>The definition of freeware MUST be very specific because there are so
>>many people out there who seek to chip away at and undermine that
>>definition for monetary purposes. Your attempt to "broaden" the
>>definition of freeware is effectively the fullfillment of one of the
>>most fundamental assaults on this group. Why have you chosen to do
>>this after all of your fine work on the Pricelessware page?
>>
>>Rather than simply announcing that you are going to single handedly
>>restart the tedious and argumentative process of creating this group's
>>agreed upon definitions of freeware types from scratch, it would have
This last was a mistake on my part. I really meant to say "agreed upon
definitions of *software* types from scratch." There is only one type
of freeware, and that is freeware. This is not to say that other types
of software (careware, postcardware, etc.) are not discussed in the
group and-or included in the Pricelessware list.
>>been a much better thing to acknowledge that this group already has
>>taken care of this task.
>
>
> Hello John,
>
> http://www.pricelessware.org/index.htm
>
> The Pricelessware home page says:
>
> <quote>
> There are NO Adware/Spyware programs included in the Pricelessware List.
> Please read alt.comp.freeware 's position on Adware in the following FAQ
> links: http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html#11
> http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./Page3.html
> </quote>
Yes, I've seen the page often.
> I do not want to create a third FAQ.
> The home page goes on to say:
> <quote>
> Some of the detailed information for each program includes special
> notations. These indicate a specific issue with the program. It could be
> that the program is a LIGHT version, that the program requires
> registration before download or that the program suggested is the last
> Freeware version available.
> </quote>
> I think it would be helpful to have definitions of the special notations
> used to describe Pricelessware programs on the Pricelessware pages - for
> the benefit of visitors viewing the pages - especially those who to not
> frequent the ACF newsgroup.
>
> the Pricelessware 2003 includes:
>
> donationware
> charityware
> cardware
> careware
> postcardware
> mailware
> registerware
> light versions of commercial programs
>
> Adware/Spyware is mentioned on the home page, a definition of those
> terms also seems called for.
>
> For completeness I extended the *ware* list to include types of ware not
> on the Pricelessware list.
>
> The distinction between adware/nagware/ and splash screens seems to be
> an area of confusion for many of us. IMO, concise definitions would be
> helpful.
>
> The Pricelessware list includes software with a Splash Screen commercial
> (example: Zone Alarm). A recent post to ACF asserted that this was not
I quit using ZA for exactly the reason that it has become nagware.
Just a personal choice. I am also, in fact, considering taking
WebWasher off of my system because it phones home periodically to look
for updates and you can't turn that feature off.
> nagware, but a program that required you to acknowledge a start screen
> by pushing a button was.
Heck, I might have said that. Guess that might even be correct. You're
right, that is an area of confusion.
> I did not intend to imply that all types of *freeware* are appropriate
Please see my earlier remark about that "freeware" vs "software" error
I made in my last post.
> for discussion on ACF. Something like this might be better as an opening
> statement on the definition list:
>
> Broadly defined, freeware is usable software, no payment required, not
> time limited. The ACF newsgroup prefers *pure* freeware: freeware
> without limitations. Some limited/crippled software which meets the
> broad definition of freeware is considered off-topic in ACF.
Actually, I was indeed wrong on this one. From my version of the
F.A.Q. comes the following:
"Liteware - (clipped)
In liteware, promotion of the full-featured version can be done
via a "nag" type screen at startup or program closing, an inclusion in
the help file or the "About..." screen, or even via a link/ad on the
main program screen. If the latter is done, then the program borders
on being adware (see above.) If the ad is too obnoxious, then the
program shouldn't be recommended as anything other than a temporary
solution until something better comes along. Liteware is often
discussed in alt.comp.freeware. It should not be confused with
demoware (see above) or crippleware (see below, under "shareware".)
> John, I am NOT trying to undermine the ACF concept of freeware. I do
I know, Susan. I was over-reacting because I've had to argue with so
many minority view holders, that it's become instinct. However, I
still think that if you simply changed the wording of the page
containing links to the two F.A.Q.s to read:
"There are NO Adware/Spyware programs included in the Pricelessware
List. Please read alt.comp.freeware 's position on Adware in the
following FAQ links:
http://clients.net2000.com.au/~johnf/faq.html#11
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./Page3.html
The latter also contains fairly complete definitions of the various
types of software that are available."
This should do the job and keep the page uncluttered. If you still
want to have a list, then continue on down for a suggested one.
> think a definition of ware types would be helpful on the Pricelessware
> pages.
If you think that the definitions in my version of the F.A.Q. don't
jibe with the definitions that are being used in the Pricelessware
page, then that should be worked out. However, I have gone over the
Pricelessware list and don't see any evidence that this is so.
Defining the various kinds of software out there is a *very* complex
and taxing process. It has been addressed in this group already and
the process should not need repeating. To that end, I have edited the
definitions page by removing references to whether or not a type of
software should be discussed in ACF and otherwise streamlining
definitions. Here is the result which you might want to consider using:
__________________________________
The following is a fairly inclusive list of the various kinds of
software that exist currently:
Adware - software that has advertising for other products and/or
services built into it. Adware is often Spyware.
Betaware - a "rough draft" version of what will be the final version
of a program. Usually contains more bugs than the final version.
Careware - before using the software, the author wants you to send a
sum of money to one or more of their favorite charities/causes.
CDWare - software that is included on CDs that come with magazines.
Commercial Software - software that is sold. Shareware is a type of
commercial software.
Demoware - software that is intended to allow the user to see what the
full version of a program looks like so they will then purchase the
unlimited commercial version. Crippleware, time-limited software and
Trialware are all various types of demoware.
Donationware - payment to the author for the software is completely
optional.
Liteware - a free limited feature version of program that normally
costs money. The missing features are not critical, are not "grayed
out" (disabled) in the menu and are listed where the "pro" or
full-featured version is promoted. Promotion of the full-featured
version is variously via a "nag" type screen at program startup or
closing, an inclusion in the help file or the "About..." screen, or
even via a link/ad on the main program screen. If the latter is done,
then the program borders on being adware (see above.)
Orphanware - software that the original author or company no longer
offers to the public or supports.
Postcardware - payment for the program is a postcard you send to the
author.
Registerware - you must provide personal information via registration
in order to use the program.
Shareware - software that you can "try before you buy". Shareware
types are:
* Crippleware - limited in the amount of features available.
Removed features can be critical, are grayed out and when you
attempt to access one, you are reminded that the feature is only
available in the full version that costs money. Not the same as
trialware, since you can save and print.
* Nagware - there is a popup (nag) screen at program startup,
exhorting you to purchase the software. You must turn off the nag
screen by pressing a button on it.
* Time limited - also considered by some to be trialware, some of
the features or the entire program become unusable after a period of time.
Spyware - software that installs components on your computer which
allow companies and/or individuals to access your hard drive or spy on
your surfing habits.
Trialware - commercial software that is limited in the ability to save
and/or print. The intention is that you learn what the program can do
and how to use it so that you will then purchase the unlimited
commercial version.
Viruses or virus authoring software - software that either is or makes
malicious programming.
Warez - also known as pirated (stolen) software, cracked software etc.
Types of warez are:
* Commercial software with the registration codes bypassed
(cracked) or other anti-security features (time limits, feature
limits, etc.) breached.
* Software designed to be used for cracking.
* Serial numbers for unpurchased shareware or commercial software.
__________________________________
The "liteware" definition was a source of considerable discussion in
this group, and the definition above reflects that this was so. I was
still able to clean it up a little.
--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Susan Bugher
>
> That's not to say I would wish to vary in any significant way from
> what has been previously decided in the two faqs, rather, I would
> suggest, they could be converted to an easy and brief reference on the
> site. Be glad to help if I can.
Hello Semolina,
Thank you for the offer of help. Suggestions for improvement in the
*ware* definitions are welcome.
There is a general consensus in ACF on what types of software are
on-topic. There are also two FAQs. The devil, as always, is in the
details. Someday some brave soul may attempt to create a FAQ that
*everyone* agrees to. That someone is not me. :)
The *ware* list is not a FAQ. The list contains definitions of terms
used on the Pricelessware list and in ACF discussions. It is a
dictionary, not a set of guidelines.
Susan
John Corliss
>
> Cute? How dare you patronize me?
He did not patronize you, but remember that this is usenet. People can
and do say anything they want. Matronize maybe? 80)>
> I posted in support of Susan because it
> seems to me that a small clique of men think they own this newsgroup
Nobody thinks they own this group and please remember that you (like
everybody else) are not in a position to speak for others. This
fictitional "clique of men" simply doesn't exist except in your own
mistaken perceptions.
> and jump on any suggestions that any woman dares to make.
This is not the case here and I think you know it, too. Your assertion
to the contrary is in itself sexist.
> I think most inernet
> users know what "pirate" means whether they're English speakers or not. But
> even if you disagree there was NO need to insult me by calling my comment
> "cute". It's arrogant, opinionated men like you that keep women away from
> this newsgroup.
I see no evidence that Blinky's comment deserved such a venemous
response or in fact that women stay "away from this newsgroup". You
are simply using an old debate technique- put your opponant on the
defensive and they will have less energy to devote to offense.
As for the inclusion of "stolen" in the definition of Warez, I like it
a lot. The change will be forthcoming in the next update of my version
of the F.A.Q.
--
Susan Bugher
Hello John,
Some good points. Are these definitions better?
Spyware: software that sends information about you and your computer to
others (usually without your knowledge).
Warez: pirated (stolen) software
> Demo-ware can be a fully working, time limited, program.
I would call that trialware. I'd prefer to avoid overlapping definitions
if we can.
Susan
Susan Bugher
>
> If you think that the definitions in my version of the F.A.Q. don't
> jibe with the definitions that are being used in the Pricelessware
> page, then that should be worked out. However, I have gone over the
> Pricelessware list and don't see any evidence that this is so.
> sum of money to one or more of their favorite charities/causes.
Hello John,
Well, you've given me a lot to digest - I do think an onsite definition
list will be helpful - will review what you sent - more later.
I did check re: careware - Arachnophilia is the only careware program
listed as Pricelessware - their definition is here:
http://www.arachnoid.com/careware/index.html
(it does differ from yours)
Susan
Alan
Jenny
I'd take a look through his other innaccurate replies before you label
him as simply sexist and insulting. There's a *lot* more to choose from
;-) There are others in the "clique" you describe who, no doubt, drive
people away from what used to be a friendly, useful and open forum.
Newbies are probably scared off with some sort of tirade about a broken
sig or things not lining up properly in their post or some other
cataclysmic event that's enough to get the monkeys frantically rattling
the bars of the cage.
Longterm contributors are being driven away through the boredom of
watching second childhoods emerge and grow into adolesence. Several of
the latter group have shared e-mail with me about this very issue - not
wanting to wait around for adulthood to reemerge (if it ever does). If
you can tolerate the few who blemish the environment here, you'll find
that most people will join your discussion or help with your query,
without the rudeness, insults, pedantry and fixations.
And I'd just laugh off the accusations of paranoia etc. - probably terms
recently borrowed from the therapist. Just toss the word "Microsoft"
into any post, sign it with 2 hyphens without a trailling space, stand
well back, and wait for the reaction! When the mushroom cloud disperses,
send your reply (at the top of course ;-)).
Welcome to the institution!
--
Alan
Tiger
news:bahotc$tgscm$1...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de:
> Cute? How dare you patronize me?
When someone says my posts are "cute," I generally take it as a
compliment.
I posted in support of Susan
> because it seems to me that a small clique of men think they own
> this newsgroup and jump on any suggestions that any woman dares to
> make.
I think you should ask Boomer, RL, Susan, Little Girl, Scout Lady,
Genna Reeney, et. al. if they feel the same.
I think most inernet users know what "pirate" means whether
> they're English speakers or not.
And your feelings and thinking are legitimate. However, that doesn't
change the fact that there *may* be folks, again, people relatively new
to the English language, who are unaware of the meaning - or at least
the full implications - of the term "pirated."
But even if you disagree there
> was NO need to insult me by calling my comment "cute". It's
> arrogant, opinionated men like you that keep women away from this
> newsgroup.
>
The internet is full of arrogant, opinionated people. But the two
characteristics are not necessarily conjoined.
--
Tiger
Jenny_Harper
news:vcpnh94...@corp.supernews.com...
> Jenny_Harper wrote to a comment that Blinky made:
> >
> > Cute? How dare you patronize me?
>
> He did not patronize you,
Please do not FURTHER patronise me by trying to tell me who has or has not
patronised me.
>but remember that this is usenet. People can
> and do say anything they want. Matronize maybe? 80)>
Another sexist remark.
> > I posted in support of Susan because it
> > seems to me that a small clique of men think they own this newsgroup
>
> Nobody thinks they own this group and please remember that you (like
> everybody else) are not in a position to speak for others. This
> fictitional "clique of men" simply doesn't exist except in your own
> mistaken perceptions.
So what about Alan's sensible post? I suppose HIS perceptions of a "clique"
are mistaken as well? Like those of everyone who disagrees with you and YOUR
little clique?
" Alan" <t...@soon.alphalink.com.au> wrote in message
news:3ecc...@news.alphalink.com.au...
> There are others in the "clique" you describe who, no doubt, drive
> people away from what used to be a friendly, useful and open forum.
> Newbies are probably scared off with some sort of tirade about a broken
> sig or things not lining up properly in their post or some other
> cataclysmic event that's enough to get the monkeys frantically rattling
> the bars of the cage.
>
> Longterm contributors are being driven away through the boredom of
> watching second childhoods emerge and grow into adolesence. Several of
> the latter group have shared e-mail with me about this very issue - not
> wanting to wait around for adulthood to reemerge (if it ever does).
You're one of the worst hypocrites in this group. You write "Nobody thinks
they own this group and please remember that you (like everybody else) are
not in a position to speak for others." and then you do exactly the
opposite, trying to tell Alan and me that our perceptions are "mistaken".
Who are YOU to tell us what we should think and perceive? You're an arrogant
hypocrite and you DO think that you own this group.
> > and jump on any suggestions that any woman dares to make.
>
> This is not the case here and I think you know it, too. Your assertion
> to the contrary is in itself sexist.
>
> > I think most inernet
> > users know what "pirate" means whether they're English speakers or not.
But
> > even if you disagree there was NO need to insult me by calling my
comment
> > "cute". It's arrogant, opinionated men like you that keep women away
from
> > this newsgroup.
>
> I see no evidence that Blinky's comment deserved such a venemous
> response or in fact that women stay "away from this newsgroup". You
> are simply using an old debate technique- put your opponant on the
> defensive and they will have less energy to devote to offense.
This is not a debate and my comments were not "venemous". I was only asking
that Blinky show me the same respect he extends to male members of this
group. Is that too much to ask?
> As for the inclusion of "stolen" in the definition of Warez, I like it
> a lot.
I'm not suprised as one of your little clique suggested it. Shame you
haven't any time for Susan's excellent suggestions. But of course, how could
a mere woman improve on your FAQ?
Jenny
Jenny_Harper
Wise words, thank you Alan.
Jenny
Jenny_Harper
news:Xns93837E4264...@130.133.1.4...
> "Jenny_Harper" <jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:bahotc$tgscm$1...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de:
>
> > Cute? How dare you patronize me?
>
> When someone says my posts are "cute," I generally take it as a
> compliment.
>
> I posted in support of Susan
> > because it seems to me that a small clique of men think they own
> > this newsgroup and jump on any suggestions that any woman dares to
> > make.
>
> I think you should ask Boomer, RL, Susan, Little Girl, Scout Lady,
> Genna Reeney, et. al. if they feel the same.
Boomer sounds like a man and I don't see the others posting much.
> I think most inernet users know what "pirate" means whether
> > they're English speakers or not.
>
> And your feelings and thinking are legitimate. However, that doesn't
> change the fact that there *may* be folks, again, people relatively new
> to the English language, who are unaware of the meaning - or at least
> the full implications - of the term "pirated."
>
> But even if you disagree there
> > was NO need to insult me by calling my comment "cute". It's
> > arrogant, opinionated men like you that keep women away from this
> > newsgroup.
> >
> The internet is full of arrogant, opinionated people. But the two
> characteristics are not necessarily conjoined.
I didn't say that they were, except with respect to certain individuals in
this group..
Jenny
Semolina Pilchard
<whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
>There is a general consensus in ACF on what types of software are
>on-topic. There are also two FAQs. The devil, as always, is in the
>details. Someday some brave soul may attempt to create a FAQ that
>*everyone* agrees to. That someone is not me. :)
Heh. A very wise decision.
>
>The *ware* list is not a FAQ. The list contains definitions of terms
>used on the Pricelessware list and in ACF discussions. It is a
>dictionary, not a set of guidelines.
Having looked over John's set of definitions again, and remembering
the debate that led to them, they seem an excellent set to work with -
hard to improve but easy to spoil, particularly by over-abbreviation.
Therein lies the difficulty, I suppose. If they are to remain as
clear and precise as they are now, the dictionary is likely to be a
little on the long side for the casual visitor to read through.
John's caveat about disrupting the group by going through this again
is a fair warning, I think. It certainly got rather warm in here last
time around! Also, the process of abbreviation, if that was felt
necessary is likely, even with goodwill, to be debated word by word.
Abbreviation is redifinition. Our grandchildren may complete the
task; we'll be long gone.
If there's wide consensus that John's definitions are right, and I for
one believe that they are, is there some means by which we can
incorporate it as it stands, perhaps by hyperlinking strongly
highlighted categories beside each listed program to the relevant
definition?
--
Semolina Pilchard
Tiger
news:baivfe$9rdd$3...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de:
> "Tiger" <j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns93837E4264...@130.133.1.4...
>> "Jenny_Harper" <jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:bahotc$tgscm$1...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de:
>> I posted in support of Susan
>> > because it seems to me that a small clique of men think they
>> > own this newsgroup and jump on any suggestions that any woman
>> > dares to make.
>>
>> I think you should ask Boomer, RL, Susan, Little Girl, Scout
>> Lady, Genna Reeney, et. al. if they feel the same.
>
> Boomer sounds like a man and I don't see the others posting much.
She's quite female. RL posts frequently, as does Susan, the current
author of the pricelessware.org site (IIRC). Little Girl, Scout Lady,
and Genna post more infrequently, but Genna was the original author of
the pricelessware site.
>
>> >
>> The internet is full of arrogant, opinionated people. But the
>> two characteristics are not necessarily conjoined.
>
> I didn't say that they were, except with respect to certain
> individuals in this group..
>
FWIW, I didn't see Blinky's comments as demeaning. But then again, I'm
not a woman...though I am familiar with being hyper-sensitive to
perceived slurs...which isn't meant to be demeaning or insulting...just
a comment that I have found true the adage that "when one looks for
demons, one will certainly find them."
--
Tiger
Tiger
96100.news.dfncis.de:
> I'm not suprised as one of your little clique suggested it.
If you only knew the history between John F. and John C. you'd know
that comment was not only in error, but quite humorous. There is no
"clique." It's a nice little buzz-word that was introduced by trolls
and others who simply want to disrupt the group and reject the idea
that the group should not consider other types of software such as
shareware, commercial programs, adware, et. al. as on-topic.
Of course, they will say that I too am in this "clique" simply because
I agree with John...though it hasn't always been that way. I believe
he told me to "bite him" at one point. I haven't yet. I clawed him
pretty good though. I leave the biting pretty much to the shark.
--
Tiger
Susan Bugher
>
> If you still want to have a list, then continue on down for a suggested one.
Hello John,
Yup, still do. :)
I arranged both our sets of definitions in alphabetical order (mine have
been revised from my original post). JC precedes your definitions, SEB
precedes mine.
IMO we are in substantial agreement but as you will see there are a few
definitions that need work.
Further comment from all is requested.
Susan
-----------------
*WARE* DEFINITIONS
JC Adware - software that has advertising for other products and/or
services built into it. Adware is often Spyware.
SEB Adware: displays commercial messages (often downloaded from the net
by the software)
--------
JC Betaware - a "rough draft" version of what will be the final version
of a program. Usually contains more bugs than the final version.
SEB comment: I believe some authors simply prefer to call them beta
versions right up until the final release (Pricelessware's 40tude Dialog
is a beta, also Binary News Reader (BNR) - I believe there are others) -
I think preliminary is a better word here.
SEB Betaware: preliminary version - not fully tested
--------
JC
SEB Cardware: non-monetary request
--------
JC Careware - before using the software, the author wants you to send a
sum of money to one or more of their favorite charities/causes.
SEB Careware: non-monetary request
--------
JC CDWare - software that is included on CDs that come with magazines.
SEB CDWare: software that is included on CDs that come with magazines.
--------
JC
SEB Charityware: requests contribution to charity
--------
JC Commercial Software - software that is sold. Shareware is a type of
commercial software.
SEB Commercial Software: software that is sold.
--------
JC Crippleware - limited in the amount of features available. Removed
features can be critical, are grayed out and when you attempt to access
one, you are reminded that the feature is only available in the full
version that costs money. Not the same as trialware, since you can save
and print. * Time limited - also considered by some to be trialware,
some of the features or the entire program become unusable after a
period of time.
SEB Crippleware: some features of the software are not available, these
features are unlocked if payment is made for the software
--------
JC Demoware - software that is intended to allow the user to see what
the full version of a program looks like so they will then purchase the
unlimited commercial version. Crippleware, time-limited software and
Trialware are all various types of demoware.
SEB comment: I prefer a more limited definition for demo-ware.
SEB Demo-ware: non-working program which demonstrates software features
--------
JC Donationware - payment to the author for the software is completely
optional.
SEB Donationware: monetary contribution requested
--------
JC
SEB Freeware (broad definition): usable software, no payment required,
not time limited. NOTE: The ACF newsgroup prefers *pure* freeware:
freeware without limitations. Some software which meets the broad
definition of freeware is considered off-topic in ACF.
--------
JC Liteware - a free limited feature version of program that normally
costs money. The missing features are not critical, are not "grayed out"
(disabled) in the menu and are listed where the "pro" or full-featured
version is promoted. Promotion of the full-featured version is variously
via a "nag" type screen at program startup or closing, an inclusion in
the help file or the "About..." screen, or even via a link/ad on the
main program screen. If the latter is done, then the program borders on
being adware (see above.)
SEB comment: my definition is general, not specific to *acceptable*
liteware
SEB Liteware: light version of a commercial program (does not contain
all features of the commercial product)
--------
JC
SEB Mailware: non-monetary request
--------
JC Viruses or virus authoring software - software that either is or
makes malicious programming.
SEB Malware: software that contains malicious programming
--------
JC Nagware - there is a popup (nag) screen at program startup, exhorting
you to purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by
pressing a button on it.
SEB Nagware - has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking you to
purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by pressing a
button on it.
--------
JC Orphanware - software that the original author or company no longer
offers to the public or supports.
SEB comment: we don't have a definition for abandonware.
Could someone offer definitions for both that convey the difference in
meaning (if any).
Another area I'm not too clear on. :)
--------
JC Postcardware - payment for the program is a postcard you send to the
author.
SEB Postcardware: non-monetary request
--------
JC Registerware - you must provide personal information via registration
in order to use the program.
SEB Registerware: personal information is required before you can
download the software
--------
JC Shareware - software that you can "try before you buy". Shareware
types are:
SEB Shareware: payment is required for legal use of the software
--------
JC Spyware - software that installs components on your computer which
allow companies and/or individuals to access your hard drive or spy on
your surfing habits.
SEB Spyware: software that sends information about you and your computer
to others (usually without your knowledge).
--------
JC Trialware - commercial software that is limited in the ability to
save and/or print. The intention is that you learn what the program can
do and how to use it so that you will then purchase the unlimited
commercial version.
SEB comment: I would call that crippleware
SEB Trialware: software which stops working after a short period of time
(usually 30 days)
--------
JC Warez - also known as pirated (stolen) software, cracked software
etc. Types of warez are:
Commercial software with the registration codes bypassed (cracked) or
other anti-security features (time limits, feature limits, etc.)
breached. * Software designed to be used for cracking. * Serial numbers
for unpurchased shareware or commercial software.
SEB Warez: pirated (stolen) software
--------
Jenny_Harper
"Boomer" <Boomer.__.Baby._.@.hotmaill.com> wrote in message
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> Tiger <j...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:Xns93838D05BE...@130.133.1.4:
>
> > "Jenny_Harper" <jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > news:baivfe$9rdd$3...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de:
> >
> >> "Tiger" <j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:Xns93837E4264...@130.133.1.4...
> >>> "Jenny_Harper" <jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >>> news:bahotc$tgscm$1...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de:
> >
> >>> I posted in support of Susan
> >>> > because it seems to me that a small clique of men think they
> >>> > own this newsgroup and jump on any suggestions that any woman
> >>> > dares to make.
> >>>
> >>> I think you should ask Boomer, RL, Susan, Little Girl, Scout
> >>> Lady, Genna Reeney, et. al. if they feel the same.
> >>
> >> Boomer sounds like a man and I don't see the others posting much.
> >
> > She's quite female.
>
>
> > RL posts frequently, as does Susan, the
> > current author of the pricelessware.org site (IIRC). Little Girl,
> > Scout Lady, and Genna post more infrequently, but Genna was the
> > original author of the pricelessware site.
> >>
> >>> >
> >>> The internet is full of arrogant, opinionated people. But the
> >>> two characteristics are not necessarily conjoined.
> >>
> >> I didn't say that they were, except with respect to certain
> >> individuals in this group..
> >>
> > FWIW, I didn't see Blinky's comments as demeaning. But then
> > again, I'm not a woman...though I am familiar with being
> > hyper-sensitive to perceived slurs...which isn't meant to be
> > demeaning or insulting...just a comment that I have found true the
> > adage that "when one looks for demons, one will certainly find
> > them."
>
>
> "Ms" Boomer :)
Very funny. You seem more like an honorary man here to me. I've noticed how
you like to boss people about. But if you really ARE a women you're a
traitor to the sisterhood and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Jenny
Roger Spencelayh
> Those who don't and haven't commented, please speak up and note your
> objections.
>
Firstly, no objections, but a suggestion. One of the categories is
Trial Ware, and there seems to be 2 types of trial ware - Time Limited
and Use Limited. I.e. Some restrict you to 30 days use, other to
perhaps 15 uses. Would it be practical to distinguish between them.
From my own point of view, I may only get round to trying a program
once or twice in the first 30 days, often hardly enough to make a
decision on its worth. So knowing that I have, say, 15 goes to make
that decision, even if it takes me 3 months, would be useful.
Roger
Tiger
news:baj99k$dlb8$1...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de:
>> Agreed.
>>
>> "Ms" Boomer :)
>
> Very funny. You seem more like an honorary man here to me. I've
> noticed how you like to boss people about. But if you really ARE a
> women you're a traitor to the sisterhood and you ought to be
> ashamed of yourself.
>
<sigh>
What's *almost* funny, Jenny, is that you've said far more sexist
things than anyone else in this or any other thread. Your perspective
is skewed, yet your anger blinds you so you will see *this* as a sexist
comment. No matter. No one is quite so blind as those who *will not*
see.
Have a nice life.
--
Tiger
John Corliss
> John Corliss wrote:
>>Jenny_Harper wrote to a comment that Blinky made:
>>
>>>Cute? How dare you patronize me?
>>
>>He did not patronize you,
>
> Please do not FURTHER patronise me by trying to tell me who has or has not
> patronised me.
And do not patronize ME by telling me that I'm patronizing you by
telling you who is and who is not patronizing you (this can go on
forever.)
>>but remember that this is usenet. People can
>>and do say anything they want. Matronize maybe? 80)>
>
> Another sexist remark.
Excuse me. I mistook you for somebody with a sense of humor (note the
smiley face?).
(clipped the rest of the anger)
I was tempted to make you angrier by including a well placed "MROWR
PFFT PFFT" somewhere after one of your remarks, but making you angry
is far too easy.
Have a nice life.
*PLONK*
--
Jenny_Harper
>No one is quite so blind as those who *will not* see.
Someone is pussycat: Those who are too *thick* to see when they're being
wound up. ;-)
Ethel Mooner
kqs_v1
> Tiger wrote:
>
> > What's *almost* funny, Jenny, is that you've said far more sexist
> > things than anyone else in this or any other thread.
>
> That "is" pretty sexist Jenny. Boomer stands for baby boomer not for a
> booming male BTW, in case that's confusing you.
>
> At this point, one can only guess you're a newbie who hasn't experienced
> the rough-and-tumble nature of Usenet. But keep it up and people are going
> to accuse you of being a troll, perhaps a male troll who wants to stir up a
> gender war.
Yep - just because she's donned "usenet lipstick" via posting with name
"Jenny" does not at all prove her to be a woman. Whatever her sex, I for
one will opt to veer far away from her screeching "sisterhood."
Other note, have known Blinky for long time (in his previous online ID
too) -- and he is absolutely no sexist. The sole -ist can be applied to
him is a Linuxist... <g>
--
/kqs, <aol> age/sex == ~40/F </aol>
Jenny_Harper
> making you angry is far too easy.
Ahhhh. Delicious irony.
Amusement is not the same thing as anger, John-Boy, not at all. ;-)
Ethel Mooner
tls...@concentric.net
a very strange color crayon and scribbled:
>But the "arrogant, opinionated" are discouraging all
>posters, not just women. Although as you say, they do seem
>particularly hard on women.
They are? I guess I must be wearing armoralls then because I've never
let criticism bother me.
(-;
--
I have seen the life on this planet
and that's why I'm looking elsewhere.
- Fox Mulder, X-Files
JanC
> *WARE* DEFINITIONS
>
> JC Adware - software that has advertising for other products
> and/or services built into it. Adware is often Spyware.
>
> SEB Adware: displays commercial messages (often downloaded from
> the net by the software)
Adware: software that displays advertising for other products and/or
services (often downloaded from the internet). Adware is often but not
always spyware
> JC Betaware - a "rough draft" version of what will be the final
> version of a program. Usually contains more bugs than the final
> version.
>
> SEB comment: I believe some authors simply prefer to call them beta
> versions right up until the final release (Pricelessware's 40tude
> Dialog is a beta, also Binary News Reader (BNR) - I believe there are
> others) - I think preliminary is a better word here.
>
> SEB Betaware: preliminary version - not fully tested
Betaware: a preliminary but useable version of what will be the final
version of a program. Beta versions are intended for testing by users
(alpha versions are test versions for the developers).
> JC
>
> SEB Cardware: non-monetary request
Cardware: the author asks that you send him (or his/her kids) a postcard.
> JC Careware - before using the software, the author wants you to
> send a sum of money to one or more of their favorite charities/causes.
>
> SEB Careware: non-monetary request
As there is only one careware author (that I know of):
- is this really needed in a FAQ?
- is there a more general term for this?
Another one-of type is Shonenware (The Proxomitron)
> JC CDWare - software that is included on CDs that come with
> magazines.
>
> SEB CDWare: software that is included on CDs that come with
> magazines.
or books or other products that come with a (promo) CD.
> JC Donationware - payment to the author for the software is
> completely optional.
>
> SEB Donationware: monetary contribution requested
I would include the word "optional" to make clear it is in fact optional.
> JC Nagware - there is a popup (nag) screen at program startup,
> exhorting you to purchase the software. You must turn off the nag
> screen by pressing a button on it.
>
> SEB Nagware - has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking
> you to purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by
> pressing a button on it.
Nagware: has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking you to
purchase the software. You must press a button to get past the nag screen.
> JC Postcardware - payment for the program is a postcard you send
> to the author.
>
> SEB Postcardware: non-monetary request
Isn't this the same as "cardware"?
> JC Registerware - you must provide personal information via
> registration in order to use the program.
>
> SEB Registerware: personal information is required before you can
> download the software
Registerware: you must register in order to be able to use the program.
The registration form may ask you to provide personal information.
(*sometimes* an e-mail address to send a license key is all they ask)
> JC Shareware - software that you can "try before you buy".
> Shareware types are:
>
> SEB Shareware: payment is required for legal use of the software
Shareware: software that you are allowed to try out and share with others,
but requires payment for actual use.
> JC Trialware - commercial software that is limited in the ability
> to save and/or print. The intention is that you learn what the program
> can do and how to use it so that you will then purchase the unlimited
> commercial version.
>
> SEB comment: I would call that crippleware
>
> SEB Trialware: software which stops working after a short period
> of time (usually 30 days)
... after a period of time or a number of uses.
--
JanC
"Be strict when sending and tolerant when receiving."
RFC 1958 - Architectural Principles of the Internet - section 3.9
JanC
> Welcome to Usenet Jenny. Believe me, this group is tame compared to what
> you'll see in many other groups or boards.
Ethel/Jenny/whatever knows Usenet well enough (maybe better than you do).
So you (we) don't have to "patronize" her/him/it. ;-p
John Fitzsimons
<whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
>John Fitzsimons wrote:
>Hello John,
Hi Susan,
>Some good points. Are these definitions better?
>Spyware: software that sends information about you and your computer to
>others (usually without your knowledge).
Yes, IMO that is a far better way of expressing things. :-)
>Warez: pirated (stolen) software
Yes, that is better too IMO. Another way of putting things would be to
simply put Warez - stolen software. That would perhaps be "clearer".
"Pirated", to me, adds a degree of "glamour" to an illegal activity.
In/out ? Perhaps both words need to be included ? What do you
think ?
>> Demo-ware can be a fully working, time limited, program.
>I would call that trialware. I'd prefer to avoid overlapping definitions
>if we can.
Yes, but "wares" do overlap. Whether we like that or not. IMO the
first definition is likely to encourage criticism as people point out
"demo ware" that is fully working and time limited. Your call however.
It doesn't bother me one way or another. I am just trying to suggest a
way to avoid "semantic" threads regarding the Pricelessware
definitions.
Regards, John.
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John Fitzsimons
<jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"John Fitzsimons" <xpm4s...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>news:7hqncvsv78igt61ic...@4ax.com...
>> So if I use a spyware program and it sends out information with my
>> knowledge then it ceases to be spyware ? Not in my books. Spyware is
>> spyware. If I know it is spying then it remains spyware.
>No. The word "spying" implies covert activity.
If someone follows me when I am shopping and takes notes of what I
do without me knowing then I would consider him spying on me. If I
notice what he is doing and he continues then I would still consider
him spying on me.
If one attempts to do something covertly then it is spying. Even if
they don't succeed.
>Or do you consider your
>browser to be spyware simply because it sends out information?
My browser doesn't attempt to do anything secretly. If it tried to
then I might call it spyware.
>> >Warez: pirated software
>> I would put "Warez: pirated (stolen) software".
>As opposed to legitimate pirated software?
No, IMO "stolen" is a better word than "pirated". Stolen simply more
fully explains things. "Warez:, stolen software" might be a better way
of expressing things though.
Though Blinky has probably explained things far better than I have.
John Fitzsimons
<jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote:
< snip >
>I posted in support of Susan because it
>seems to me that a small clique of men think they own this newsgroup and
>jump on any suggestions that any woman dares to make.
< snip >
So if I had been a woman you wouldn't have commented ? Talk about
pathetic.
Susan asked for "Additions, corrections and comments are requested."
She didn't say Additions, corrections and comments are requested from
females only".
Guess she may be somewhat less immature than you are.
Regards, John.
John Fitzsimons
<jcor...@Ihatespam.net> wrote:
< snip >
>This
>fictitional "clique of men" simply doesn't exist except in your own
>mistaken perceptions.
< snip >
Being "tactful" today John ? < he he >
Thought you might have thrown in the words "delusions", or
"delusional", somewhere in the conversation. :-)
Regards, John.
John Fitzsimons
<whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
>John Corliss wrote:
< snip >
>JC Adware - software that has advertising for other products and/or
>services built into it. Adware is often Spyware.
>SEB Adware: displays commercial messages (often downloaded from the net
>by the software)
Adware - software that has advertising for other products and/or
services (often downloaded from the net by the software). Adware is
often Spyware.
>--------
>JC Betaware - a "rough draft" version of what will be the final version
>of a program. Usually contains more bugs than the final version.
>
>SEB comment: I believe some authors simply prefer to call them beta
>versions right up until the final release (Pricelessware's 40tude Dialog
>is a beta, also Binary News Reader (BNR) - I believe there are others) -
>I think preliminary is a better word here.
>
>SEB Betaware: preliminary version - not fully tested
Betaware - a "preliminary" version of what will be the final version
of a program. The final version may have additions, deletions and
changes and should be more "stable" (less bugs).
>--------
>JC
>
>SEB Cardware: non-monetary request
Cardware - The author requires a postcard as payment.
>--------
>JC Careware - before using the software, the author wants you to send a
>sum of money to one or more of their favorite charities/causes.
>SEB Careware: non-monetary request
Careware: The author requires you to show caring for someone/something
as payment.
>--------
>JC CDWare - software that is included on CDs that come with magazines.
>SEB CDWare: software that is included on CDs that come with magazines.
Yep.
>--------
>JC
>SEB Charityware: requests contribution to charity
Charityware - The author requests that you send a sum of money to one
or more of their/your favorite charities/causes.
>--------
>JC Commercial Software - software that is sold. Shareware is a type of
>commercial software.
>SEB Commercial Software: software that is sold.
Yep.
>--------
>JC Crippleware - limited in the amount of features available. Removed
>features can be critical, are grayed out and when you attempt to access
>one, you are reminded that the feature is only available in the full
>version that costs money. Not the same as trialware, since you can save
>and print. * Time limited - also considered by some to be trialware,
>some of the features or the entire program become unusable after a
>period of time.
>SEB Crippleware: some features of the software are not available, these
>features are unlocked if payment is made for the software
Crippleware: some features of the software are not available, these
features may/may not be important to you. They are unlocked if payment
is made for the software
>--------
>JC Demoware - software that is intended to allow the user to see what
>the full version of a program looks like so they will then purchase the
>unlimited commercial version. Crippleware, time-limited software and
>Trialware are all various types of demoware.
>SEB comment: I prefer a more limited definition for demo-ware.
>SEB Demo-ware: non-working program which demonstrates software features
Demoware - software that is intended to give potential purchasers an
idea of how the commercial version works.
>--------
>JC Donationware - payment to the author for the software is completely
>optional.
>SEB Donationware: monetary contribution requested
Donationware: The author requests that a donation be made to
him/herself or other(s).
>--------
>JC
>SEB Freeware (broad definition): usable software, no payment required,
>not time limited. NOTE: The ACF newsgroup prefers *pure* freeware:
>freeware without limitations. Some software which meets the broad
>definition of freeware is considered off-topic in ACF.
Freeware : Legally obtainable computer programs/utilities that anyone
with an internet connection can obtain free of (additional to
internet) cost and does not have any "limitations" as to it's use,
>--------
>JC Liteware - a free limited feature version of program that normally
>costs money. The missing features are not critical, are not "grayed out"
>(disabled) in the menu and are listed where the "pro" or full-featured
>version is promoted. Promotion of the full-featured version is variously
>via a "nag" type screen at program startup or closing, an inclusion in
>the help file or the "About..." screen, or even via a link/ad on the
>main program screen. If the latter is done, then the program borders on
>being adware (see above.)
>SEB comment: my definition is general, not specific to *acceptable*
>liteware
>SEB Liteware: light version of a commercial program (does not contain
>all features of the commercial product)
Liteware: light version of a commercial program. Does not contain
advertising but does not contain all the features of the commercial
product.
>--------
>JC
>SEB Mailware: non-monetary request
Mailware: Requires mail as payment.
>--------
>JC Viruses or virus authoring software - software that either is or
>makes malicious programming.
>SEB Malware: software that contains malicious programming
Yep.
>--------
>JC Nagware - there is a popup (nag) screen at program startup, exhorting
>you to purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by
>pressing a button on it.
>
>SEB Nagware - has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking you to
>purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by pressing a
>button on it.
Nagware - has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, and/or closure,
asking you to purchase the software.
>--------
>JC Orphanware - software that the original author or company no longer
>offers to the public or supports.
>SEB comment: we don't have a definition for abandonware.
>Could someone offer definitions for both that convey the difference in
>meaning (if any).
>Another area I'm not too clear on. :)
Orphanware/Abandonware. - software that the original author or company
no longer offers to the public or supports. Not necessarily freeware.
>--------
>JC Postcardware - payment for the program is a postcard you send to the
>author.
>SEB Postcardware: non-monetary request
Postcardware/Cardware - The author requires a postcard as payment.
>--------
>JC Registerware - you must provide personal information via registration
>in order to use the program.
>SEB Registerware: personal information is required before you can
>download the software
Registerware: personal information is required before you can
download and/or use the software
>--------
>JC Shareware - software that you can "try before you buy". Shareware
>types are:
>SEB Shareware: payment is required for legal use of the software
Shareware - software that you can use prior to a possible purchase.
>--------
>JC Spyware - software that installs components on your computer which
>allow companies and/or individuals to access your hard drive or spy on
>your surfing habits.
>SEB Spyware: software that sends information about you and your computer
>to others (usually without your knowledge).
Yep.
>--------
>JC Trialware - commercial software that is limited in the ability to
>save and/or print. The intention is that you learn what the program can
>do and how to use it so that you will then purchase the unlimited
>commercial version.
>SEB comment: I would call that crippleware
>SEB Trialware: software which stops working after a short period of time
>(usually 30 days)
Yep.
>--------
>JC Warez - also known as pirated (stolen) software, cracked software
>etc. Types of warez are:
>Commercial software with the registration codes bypassed (cracked) or
>other anti-security features (time limits, feature limits, etc.)
>breached. * Software designed to be used for cracking. * Serial numbers
>for unpurchased shareware or commercial software.
>SEB Warez: pirated (stolen) software
Warez: Software that is stolen, and/or enabled, by illegal means.
>--------
John Fitzsimons
<jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > "John Fitzsimons" <xpm4s...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:7hqncvsv78igt61ic...@4ax.com...
< snip >
>I think most inernet
>users know what "pirate" means whether they're English speakers or not.
< snip >
I think that *more* internet users would know what "stolen" meant as
opposed to "pirated". Besides, IMO "pirated" suggests adventure to
many people and many consider it "fun" to get/use software without
paying for it. "Stolen" on the other hand is more "descriptive" of
what is actually the situation IMO.
Perhaps if you weren't on an anti-men crusade you would agree with
me ? I notice Susan wasn't in any way offended by what I said. In fact
she said that my comments were "good points". I suppose you now
consider her "a traitor to the sisterhood" and she "ought to be
ashamed of herself" ? < ROFL >
I guess that there are adult females, and..... those that aren't,
posting here. :-)
John Fitzsimons
<whoise...@kvi.net> wrote:
< snip >
>Glad you approve of the idea of adding a *ware* list to the
>Pricelessware pages.
>Those who don't and haven't commented, please speak up and note your
>objections.
I don't care whether there is, or isn't, such a list there. I do have
a concern however that it may simply add fuel to possible "definition"
debates here. :-(
I am also inclined to agree with JCs suggestion that it might simply
be an unnecessary duplication of definitions.
John Fitzsimons
<jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Boomer" <Boomer.__.Baby._.@.hotmaill.com> wrote in message
>news:3ecd11d2$0$218$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net...
< snip >
>> "Ms" Boomer :)
>Very funny. You seem more like an honorary man here to me. I've noticed how
>you like to boss people about. But if you really ARE a women you're a
>traitor to the sisterhood and you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
< ROFL >
One of the funniest things I have read here for a while. Keep those
comments coming Jenny. :-)
John Fitzsimons
<jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"Tiger" <j...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
< snip >
>> I think you should ask Boomer, RL, Susan, Little Girl, Scout Lady,
>> Genna Reeney, et. al. if they feel the same.
>Boomer sounds like a man
Suggesting that a grandmother is a man is highly insulting. Please now
consider yourself a "traitor to the sisterhood". < he he >
> and I don't see the others posting much.
< snip >
The "worth" of someone is in how frequently they post ?
We are fortunate in having Genna, Susan, Boomer etc. here. They help
the group immensely. Perhaps someday you will work out how to do the
same ? Though I won't be holding my breath on that happening. :-)
n e a d
>> She's quite female.
>
> Did you peek? ;)
*CAN* I ?
:)
--
Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it.
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fLameDogg
> "Blinky the Shark" <no....@box.invalid> wrote in message
>> But you can get all defensive if you wish.
> I was NOT being defensive. Your post was sexist and very insulting. Would
> you have told a man that his post was "cute"? Of course not. You assume that
> women are easy targets and pick on them like the cowardly bully you are.
I don't understand. He calls my posts cute all the time.
>> Obviously no need for further discussion on this. Have a nice snit.
>
> "Have a nice snit". Would you say THAT to a man?
/I/ most certainly would. Snits are gender non-specific.
--
fD
"We are here to get drunk on the Universe."
--Matthew Fox
Tiger
news:bajlvu$i4km$1...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de:
I don't get wound up over pimply-faced teen-aged nerds who's only
social life is trolling usenet.
But thanx for adding yet another sock-puppet to my kf.
--
Tiger
Roger Johansson
>It's arrogant, opinionated men like you that keep women away from
>this newsgroup.
The problem is that some people (men) have learned to defend their
state of mind early in life, so they consider their own logic as the
truth, the one and only truth.
They have never learned or realized how unreliable a human brain is,
how easy it is to make up a logic which results in any conclusion they
want to reach.
So they see no reason to restrict their actions in their struggle to
enforce their conclusions.
Humility is to be aware of how unreliable the brain is.
Concern for others feelings and the atmosphere of a community means
more than enforcing strict principles.
The armored brains of classical netcops are incapable of understanding
that there are zillions of ways to view a situation, and that
everybody's judgement is different.
Some young high-school kids may back up such a netcop because he gives
them want they want, a clearcut view of the world, simple to
understand absolute truths to follow and to fight for.
They are like football hooligans, looking for a cause to struggle for,
and an enemy to attack.
Many dictators in the world rely heavily on such young men to control
their world. That kind of simpleminded support from young men makes it
possible for them to start wars and execute terrorist actions.
The basic problem is the created male mind and the culture which
creates it. (and the women who admire violent and strong willed men,
or think it is necessary to "help" their boyfriends grow up to be men)
In other newsgroups we are like a community of people who are
interested in a certain subject, like electronics, but that doesn't
stop us from talking about related areas, and even unrelated ones
sometimes.
The atmosphere is a lot nicer in such newsgroups of mature engineers
than what it is here in acf, where netcops and schoolkids rule.
We get a lot more done too, in both the area of common interest and in
related areas.
--
Roger J.
Roger Johansson
>Welcome to Usenet Jenny. Believe me, this group is tame compared to what
>you'll see in many other groups or boards. Just roll with the punches. If
Should we really accept a world or a newsgroup becoming a place where
you need to "roll with the punches"?
This is a cultural problem which we should do something about instead
of demanding that the male state of mind should be extended to women
and children too.
We should not abolish the patriarchal society structure by making
everybody into men. It is like abolishing wars by bombing the whole
world back to the stone age.
By the way, this kind of tough atmosphere is mainly a US-american
thing. The worlds media are flooded by american violent movies and
tv-series. Other nationalities are scared away from usenet.
It is not an acceptable situation. The americans and other violent
cultures in the world, mainly in the middle east, have to reconsider
their way of handling relations between people and their minds.
However I understand that they are working on the problem. A lot will
change in USA and in the middle east in the coming decades.
It has already started. You might have noticed it.
I would have preferred using information to change people's minds, but
those who are in power prefer the old tools, violence and fear.
--
Roger J.
Roger Spencelayh
> Probably not useful in this context since Pricelessware doesn't include
> either type.
>
I had considered that, but then again, that would apply to most of the
definitions in the list.
Roger
Vic Dura
(O.T.) at this point. "Jenny_Harper" <jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>"John Corliss" <jcor...@Ihatespam.net> wrote in message
>news:vcpnh94...@corp.supernews.com...
>> Jenny_Harper wrote to a comment that Blinky made:
>You're one of the worst hypocrites in this group. You write "Nobody thinks
>they own this group and please remember that you (like everybody else) are
>not in a position to speak for others." and then you do exactly the
>opposite, trying to tell Alan and me that our perceptions are "mistaken".
>Who are YOU to tell us what we should think and perceive? You're an arrogant
>hypocrite and you DO think that you own this group.
That in essence is what I (and probably others) find so irritating
about Corliss and the Control Freak clique. You have summarized in
nicely.
Anne
<news:3ecd8b05$0$187$892e...@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net>, but
what Boomer really said was:
> "Jenny_Harper" <jenny...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:bajm6v$i23b$1@ID- 96100.news.dfncis.de:
> Jenny_Harper is Ethel Mooner?!!??!!
And:
Maurice Springer
Son of Snapper
Mike Dolan
Graham D. Starkey
S Nap
Grant D. Holloway
And in my kill-file.
--
Anne
John Corliss
> John Corliss wrote:
>>If you still want to have a list, then continue on down for a suggested one.
>
> Hello John,
> Yup, still do. :)
> I arranged both our sets of definitions in alphabetical order (mine have
> been revised from my original post). JC precedes your definitions, SEB
> precedes mine.
> IMO we are in substantial agreement but as you will see there are a few
> definitions that need work.
> Further comment from all is requested.
>
> Susan
>
> -----------------
>
> *WARE* DEFINITIONS
>
> JC Adware - software that has advertising for other products and/or
> services built into it. Adware is often Spyware.
>
> SEB Adware: displays commercial messages (often downloaded from the net
> by the software)
>
> JC Betaware - a "rough draft" version of what will be the final version
> of a program. Usually contains more bugs than the final version.
>
> SEB comment: I believe some authors simply prefer to call them beta
> versions right up until the final release (Pricelessware's 40tude Dialog
> is a beta, also Binary News Reader (BNR) - I believe there are others) -
> I think preliminary is a better word here.
>
> SEB Betaware: preliminary version - not fully tested
>
> JC
>
> SEB Cardware: non-monetary request
I have always (in this group) heard such software referred to as
"Postcardware".
> --------
>
> JC Careware - before using the software, the author wants you to send a
> sum of money to one or more of their favorite charities/causes.
>
> SEB Careware: non-monetary request
Why not be specific about what is required?
> --------
>
> JC CDWare - software that is included on CDs that come with magazines.
>
> SEB CDWare: software that is included on CDs that come with magazines.
> --------
>
> JC
>
> SEB Charityware: requests contribution to charity
Careware, in other words.
> --------
>
> JC Commercial Software - software that is sold. Shareware is a type of
> commercial software.
>
> SEB Commercial Software: software that is sold.
> --------
>
> JC Crippleware - limited in the amount of features available. Removed
> features can be critical, are grayed out and when you attempt to access
> one, you are reminded that the feature is only available in the full
> version that costs money. Not the same as trialware, since you can save
> and print. * Time limited - also considered by some to be trialware,
> some of the features or the entire program become unusable after a
> period of time.
>
> SEB Crippleware: some features of the software are not available, these
> features are unlocked if payment is made for the software
> --------
>
> JC Demoware - software that is intended to allow the user to see what
> the full version of a program looks like so they will then purchase the
> unlimited commercial version. Crippleware, time-limited software and
> Trialware are all various types of demoware.
>
> SEB comment: I prefer a more limited definition for demo-ware.
But apparently this group does not, since the definition in myu
version of the F.A.Q. was arrived at after some discussion.
> SEB Demo-ware: non-working program which demonstrates software features
> --------
>
> JC Donationware - payment to the author for the software is completely
> optional.
>
> SEB Donationware: monetary contribution requested
> --------
>
> JC
How could you miss the definition of freeware in my version of the
F.A.Q.? Here it is:
__________________________________
Freeware is programming that is offered for your use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise. You may use it for as long as you wish.
However, it is usually copyrighted so that you can't incorporate its
programming into anything you may be developing.
At one time, "freeware" was a trademark of Andrew Fluegelman, the
author of the well-known MS-DOS communication program PC-TALK III.
The trademark wasn't enforced after his mysterious disappearance and
presumed death in 1984 (how cheery!)
The least restrictive examples of freeware are uncopyrighted programs
in the public domain.
Free software is often written by enthusiasts and is distributed via:
* users' groups
* via electronic mail
* local bulletin boards
* Usenet (in a binary post newsgroup like alt.binaries.freeware, NOT
alt.comp.freeware) or other electronic media.
Freeware is what the name says - there is no cost attached to it. It
is simply written by generous people whose main rewards are the
satisfaction of knowing that they are both helping other people and
making other people happy!
____________________________
However, I would distill that definition down to the following:
____________________________
Freeware is programming that is offered for your use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise. You may use it for as long as you wish.
However, it is usually copyrighted so that you can't incorporate its
programming into anything you may be developing. The least restrictive
examples of freeware are uncopyrighted programs in the public domain.
____________________________
> SEB Freeware (broad definition): usable software, no payment required,
> not time limited. NOTE: The ACF newsgroup prefers *pure* freeware:
> freeware without limitations. Some software which meets the broad
> definition of freeware is considered off-topic in ACF.
This last sentence is going to cause a LOT of problems. In fact, this
is exactly why there should be no "broad" definition of freeware. The
problem with your definition is that you use "payment" instead of
"cost, moetary or otherwise" and this is exactly what is wanted by the
minority view holders who have tried for years to get this group to
discuss adware, crippleware, nagware, spyware, etc.
> --------
>
> JC Liteware - a free limited feature version of program that normally
> costs money. The missing features are not critical, are not "grayed out"
> (disabled) in the menu and are listed where the "pro" or full-featured
> version is promoted. Promotion of the full-featured version is variously
> via a "nag" type screen at program startup or closing, an inclusion in
> the help file or the "About..." screen, or even via a link/ad on the
> main program screen. If the latter is done, then the program borders on
> being adware (see above.)
>
> SEB comment: my definition is general, not specific to *acceptable*
> liteware
My definition distinguishes liteware from demoware and crippleware.
This is very important for the same reason that the freeware
definition should not be broad.
>
> SEB Liteware: light version of a commercial program (does not contain
> all features of the commercial product)
> --------
>
> JC
>
> SEB Mailware: non-monetary request
Again, postcardware.
> --------
>
> JC Viruses or virus authoring software - software that either is or
> makes malicious programming.
>
> SEB Malware: software that contains malicious programming
> --------
>
> JC Nagware - there is a popup (nag) screen at program startup, exhorting
> you to purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by
> pressing a button on it.
>
> SEB Nagware - has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking you to
> purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by pressing a
> button on it.
I use the word "exhort" because that is what nag screens do. i.e.:
"Urge on or encourage esp. by shouts". There is nothing subtle about a
nag screen.
> --------
>
> JC Orphanware - software that the original author or company no longer
> offers to the public or supports.
>
> SEB comment: we
We? Who is "we"? Do you represent a group? Seriously. Am I missing
something here?
> don't have a definition for abandonware.
AKA orphanware.
> Could someone offer definitions for both that convey the difference in
> meaning (if any). Another area I'm not too clear on. :)
From my version of the F.A.Q., here is the more detailed definition:
Orphanware - this is one category of software that has a broader
context. Orphanware is software that is no longer supported or offered
to the public by the original author or company. Some people have
saved the original compressed download somewhere and occasionally will
make it available if asked. This is orphanware.
Sometimes offering it to others is okay to do and sometimes it
isn't. The main instance where making orphanware available is not
okay, is when the product has been improved and changed from freeware
to shareware. In this case the freeware version would have been
removed from availability because it would compete with the newer version.
Provided the program doesn't fall into any of the other
categories listed above, orphanware can become freeware with the
author's permission.
Orphanware is infrequently discussed in alt.comp.freeware. Be
careful about copyright infringement when using orphanware.
> --------
>
> JC Postcardware - payment for the program is a postcard you send to the
> author.
>
> SEB Postcardware: non-monetary request
Again, why not be specific about what is required by the software author?
> --------
>
> JC Registerware - you must provide personal information via registration
> in order to use the program.
>
> SEB Registerware: personal information is required before you can
> download the software
Not necessarily so. I have seen sites that demand registration, but
still allow a downloading even if you don't provide it. But I like
your point. Perhaps the definition should be "Registerware - you must
provide personal information via registration in order to download
and-or use the program."
> --------
>
> JC Shareware - software that you can "try before you buy". Shareware
> types are:
>
> SEB Shareware: payment is required for legal use of the software
You can "legally" use the software for a given period before you are
required to buy it. Also, what is in your definition to distinguish
shareware from the much broader category to which it belongs:
commercial software.
> --------
>
> JC Spyware - software that installs components on your computer which
> allow companies and/or individuals to access your hard drive or spy on
> your surfing habits.
>
> SEB Spyware: software that sends information about you and your computer
> to others (usually without your knowledge).
It is important that people understand that spyware also can allow
remote access to your hard drive. This can be for the purpose of
updating the spyware by installing new files or replacing OS files
with modified versions.
> --------
>
> JC Trialware - commercial software that is limited in the ability to
> save and/or print. The intention is that you learn what the program can
> do and how to use it so that you will then purchase the unlimited
> commercial version.
>
> SEB comment: I would call that crippleware
Again, this is a definition that was agreed upon in this group only
after lengthy discussion. Crippleware has disabled features that are
mission critical, but can still print and save.
> SEB Trialware: software which stops working after a short period of time
> (usually 30 days)
You are referring to Time-limited software. CorelDraw used to have a
trialware version that you could play around with as long as you
wanted to. It didn't allow you to save or print.
> --------
>
> JC Warez - also known as pirated (stolen) software, cracked software
> etc. Types of warez are:
> * Commercial software with the registration codes bypassed (cracked) or
> other anti-security features (time limits, feature limits, etc.)
> breached.
> * Software designed to be used for cracking.
> * Serial numbers for unpurchased shareware or commercial software.
>
> SEB Warez: pirated (stolen) software
>
> --------
It is very important that this group not be confused with a warez
group. What you are doing by limiting the definition of warez is to
leave a loophole allowing discussion of the latter two categories in
this group. And you must remember that the Pricelessware page will be
viewed as a third kind of F.A.Q. with your inclusion of a list of
definitions. But then, you do of course realize this already.
John Corliss
> Jenny_Harper wrote:
>
>> John Corliss wrote:
>>
>>
>>Ahhhh. Delicious irony.
>>Amusement is not the same thing as anger, John-Boy, not at all. ;-)
>>
>>Ethel Mooner
AKA Mavis Chillum, Snapper, Son of Snapper, etc. etc. etc. etc.
> Jenny_Harper is Ethel Mooner?!!??!!
> Interesting.
Yep. This has always been the case, now that I look back at the header
information.
Nice troll too. Even fooled me. Of course, I did add "Jenny" to my
killfile before responding too much.
--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
John Corliss
Look out John. "Jenny" is in reality the Mavis Snapper troll. And it
was trying to accomplish the classic "divide and conquer" strategy.
John Corliss
The troll is playing both sides with this post to which I'm replying.
John Corliss
> JanC wrote:
>
>
>>bob wrote:
>>
>>>Welcome to Usenet Jenny. Believe me, this group is tame compared to
>>>what you'll see in many other groups or boards.
>>
>>Ethel/Jenny/whatever knows Usenet well enough (maybe better than you
>>do).
>>
>>So you (we) don't have to "patronize" her/him/it. ;-p
>
>
> to accuse her of such. That just leads to accusations of counter-trolling.
>
> Plus some of the easily bruised and whiny types are just that.
>
> bob
Let's see now. I count at least five sock puppets (including this one)
in this thread.
Jenny_Harper
> Nice troll too. Even fooled me.
That's what made it all worth while, John-Boy. ;-)
Jenny
Jenny_Harper
"Anne" <contle...@spammotel.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93849C6A6199...@127.0.0.1...
Woo-hoo! Looks like Rembrant finally has some competition. You're pretty
tech-savvy for a chick, Anne!
Jenny
there's no plate like chrome
plenty o' tantrum space on Fri, 23 May 2003 18:17:41 +0100, just
before he/she/it started convulsing, foaming at the mouf and wailing
as such:
LMFAO!!! true dat!! ;-()
--
Tried a Big Sadist from McWhitehouse yet?!
Its two Hussien patties, special scud, patriots sleeze, toma-hawks,
inside a sesame seed bomb!
Susan Bugher
05/23/2003. I have cut and pasted their comments - noting which person's
post they were copied from.
Because they are one-of-a-kind or two-of-a-kind I grouped these
odd-wares under Donationware/special.
Cardware (DeKnop)
Careware (Arachnophilia)
Charityware (vim)
Mailware (TreeSize)
Postcardware (Hotkeys) (Exact Audio Copy (EAC))
Make_my_day_ware (Yankee Clipper III)
Shonenware (The Proxomitron)
The alphabetical list of ware types:
Abandonware (see Orphanware)
Adware
Betaware
CDWare
Commercial Software
Crippleware
Demo-ware
Donationware
Donationware/special
Freeware
Liteware
Malware
Nagware
Orphanware
Registerware
Shareware
Spyware
Trialware
Warez
The definitions and discussion:
Abandonware (see Orphanware)
--------
Adware
JanC:
> Adware: software that displays advertising for other products and/or
> services (often downloaded from the internet). Adware is often but not
> always spyware
JF:
> Adware - software that has advertising for other products and/or
> services (often downloaded from the net by the software). Adware is
> often Spyware.
SEB:
Adware: software that displays advertising for other products and/or
services (often downloaded from the internet by the software). Adware
is often but not always spyware
--------
Betaware
JanC:
> Betaware: a preliminary but useable version of what will be the final
> version of a program. Beta versions are intended for testing by users
> (alpha versions are test versions for the developers).
JF:
> Betaware - a "preliminary" version of what will be the final version
> of a program. The final version may have additions, deletions and
> changes and should be more "stable" (less bugs).
SEB:
Betaware: a preliminary but useable version of what will be the final
version of a program. Beta versions are intended for testing by users
(alpha versions are test versions for the developers).
--------
CDWare
JanC:
> > SEB CDWare: software that is included on CDs that come with
> > magazines.
>
> or books or other products that come with a (promo) CD.
JF:
> >SEB CDWare: software that is included on CDs that come with magazines.
>
> Yep.
SEB:
CDWare: promo CDs included with magazines, books or other products
--------
Commercial Software
SEB:
Commercial Software: software that is sold.
--------
Crippleware
JF:
> Crippleware: some features of the software are not available, these
> features may/may not be important to you. They are unlocked if payment
> is made for the software
SEB:
Crippleware: some features of the software are not available, these
features are unlocked if payment is made for the software
--------
Demo-ware
JF:
> Demoware - software that is intended to give potential purchasers an
> idea of how the commercial version works.
JC:
> > JC Demoware - software that is intended to allow the user to see what
> > the full version of a program looks like so they will then purchase the
> > unlimited commercial version. Crippleware, time-limited software and
> > Trialware are all various types of demoware.
> >
> > SEB comment: I prefer a more limited definition for demo-ware.
>
> But apparently this group does not, since the definition in myu
> version of the F.A.Q. was arrived at after some discussion.
SEB:
Demo-ware: software that is intended to give potential purchasers an
idea of how the program works. Not a full version, type of limitation
varies.
--------
Donationware
JanC:
> > SEB Donationware: monetary contribution requested
>
> I would include the word "optional" to make clear it is in fact optional.
JF:
> Donationware: The author requests that a donation be made to
> him/herself or other(s).
SEB:
Donationware: monetary contribution requested (optional)
--------
Donationware/special
SEB:
Donationware/special: varying requests made by software authors -
examples: send a postcard or email to the software author, perform a
good deed, make a contribution to charity
--------
Freeware
JF:
> Freeware : Legally obtainable computer programs/utilities that anyone
> with an internet connection can obtain free of (additional to
> internet) cost and does not have any "limitations" as to it's use,
JC:
> Freeware is programming that is offered for your use at no cost,
> monetary or otherwise. You may use it for as long as you wish.
> However, it is usually copyrighted so that you can't incorporate its
> programming into anything you may be developing. The least restrictive
> examples of freeware are uncopyrighted programs in the public domain.
SEB:
Freeware: Legally obtainable software that you may use at no cost,
monetary or otherwise, for as long as you wish.
--------
Liteware
JF:
> Liteware: light version of a commercial program. Does not contain
> advertising but does not contain all the features of the commercial
> product.
JC:
> > JC Liteware - a free limited feature version of program that normally
> > costs money. The missing features are not critical, are not "grayed out"
> > (disabled) in the menu and are listed where the "pro" or full-featured
> > version is promoted. Promotion of the full-featured version is variously
> > via a "nag" type screen at program startup or closing, an inclusion in
> > the help file or the "About..." screen, or even via a link/ad on the
> > main program screen. If the latter is done, then the program borders on
> > being adware (see above.)
SEB:
Liteware: light version of a commercial program. Does not contain all
the features of the commercial product. Liteware is not time-limited or
crippled.
--------
Malware
SEB:
Malware: software that contains malicious programming
--------
Nagware
JanC:
> Nagware: has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking you to
> purchase the software. You must press a button to get past the nag screen.
JF:
> Nagware - has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, and/or closure,
> asking you to purchase the software.
JC:
> > JC Nagware - there is a popup (nag) screen at program startup, exhorting
> > you to purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by
> > pressing a button on it.
> >
> > SEB Nagware - has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking you to
> > purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by pressing a
> > button on it.
>
> I use the word "exhort" because that is what nag screens do. i.e.:
> "Urge on or encourage esp. by shouts". There is nothing subtle about a
> nag screen.
It doesn't *have* to exhort to be nagware. Let's not leave anybody
out. :)
SEB:
Nagware: has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking you to
purchase the software. You must press a button to get past the nag
screen.
--------
Orphanware
JF:
> Orphanware/Abandonware. - software that the original author or company
> no longer offers to the public or supports. Not necessarily freeware.
JC:
> > JC Orphanware - software that the original author or company no longer
> > offers to the public or supports.
> >
> > SEB comment: we
>
> We? Who is "we"? Do you represent a group? Seriously. Am I missing
> something here?
>
> > don't have a definition for abandonware.
We => this thread doesn't have a definition . . .
> AKA orphanware.
>
> > Could someone offer definitions for both that convey the difference in
> > meaning (if any). Another area I'm not too clear on. :)
>
> From my version of the F.A.Q., here is the more detailed definition:
>
> Orphanware - this is one category of software that has a broader
> context. Orphanware is software that is no longer supported or offered
> to the public by the original author or company. Some people have
> saved the original compressed download somewhere and occasionally will
> make it available if asked. This is orphanware.
> Sometimes offering it to others is okay to do and sometimes it
> isn't. The main instance where making orphanware available is not
> okay, is when the product has been improved and changed from freeware
> to shareware. In this case the freeware version would have been
> removed from availability because it would compete with the newer version.
> Provided the program doesn't fall into any of the other
> categories listed above, orphanware can become freeware with the
> author's permission.
> Orphanware is infrequently discussed in alt.comp.freeware. Be
> careful about copyright infringement when using orphanware.
SEB:
Orphanware/Abandonware. - software that the original author or company
no longer offers to the public (used when author cannot be located or
company is no longer in existence). May not be freeware. May not be
legal to obtain and use it.
--------
Registerware
JanC:
> Registerware: you must register in order to be able to use the program.
> The registration form may ask you to provide personal information.
> (*sometimes* an e-mail address to send a license key is all they ask)
JF:
> Registerware: personal information is required before you can
> download and/or use the software
JC:
> > JC Registerware - you must provide personal information via registration
> > in order to use the program.
> >
> > SEB Registerware: personal information is required before you can
> > download the software
>
> Not necessarily so. I have seen sites that demand registration, but
> still allow a downloading even if you don't provide it. But I like
> your point. Perhaps the definition should be "Registerware - you must
> provide personal information via registration in order to download
> and-or use the program."
SEB:
Registerware: you must provide personal information via registration in
order to download and/or use the program
--------
Shareware
JanC:
> Shareware: software that you are allowed to try out and share with others,
> but requires payment for actual use.
JF:
> Shareware - software that you can use prior to a possible purchase.
JC:
> > JC Shareware - software that you can "try before you buy". Shareware
> > types are:
> >
> > SEB Shareware: payment is required for legal use of the software
>
> You can "legally" use the software for a given period before you are
> required to buy it. Also, what is in your definition to distinguish
> shareware from the much broader category to which it belongs:
> commercial software.
SEB:
Shareware: commercial software that can be downloaded. Payment is
required for legal use of the software. Some authors use the honor
system, more commonly code is included to prevent the use of some or all
functions if payment is not made in accordance with the shareware
agreement.
--------
Spyware
JF:
> >SEB Spyware: software that sends information about you and your computer
> >to others (usually without your knowledge).
>
> Yep.
JC:
> > JC Spyware - software that installs components on your computer which
> > allow companies and/or individuals to access your hard drive or spy on
> > your surfing habits.
> >
> > SEB Spyware: software that sends information about you and your computer
> > to others (usually without your knowledge).
>
> It is important that people understand that spyware also can allow
> remote access to your hard drive. This can be for the purpose of
> updating the spyware by installing new files or replacing OS files
> with modified versions.
SEB:
Spyware: software that sends information about you and your computer to
others (usually without your knowledge). Spyware may also install files
on your hard drive without your knowledge.
--------
Trialware
JanC:
> > SEB Trialware: software which stops working after a short period
> > of time (usually 30 days)
>
> ... after a period of time or a number of uses.
JF:
> >SEB Trialware: software which stops working after a short period of time
> >(usually 30 days)
>
> Yep.
JC:
> > JC Trialware - commercial software that is limited in the ability to
> > save and/or print. The intention is that you learn what the program can
> > do and how to use it so that you will then purchase the unlimited
> > commercial version.
> >
> > SEB comment: I would call that crippleware
>
> Again, this is a definition that was agreed upon in this group only
> after lengthy discussion. Crippleware has disabled features that are
> mission critical, but can still print and save.
SEB:
Trialware: software which stops working after a period of time or number
of uses.
--------
Warez
JF:
> Warez: Software that is stolen, and/or enabled, by illegal means.
JC:
> > JC Warez - also known as pirated (stolen) software, cracked software
> > etc. Types of warez are:
> > * Commercial software with the registration codes bypassed (cracked) or
> > other anti-security features (time limits, feature limits, etc.)
> > breached.
> > * Software designed to be used for cracking.
> > * Serial numbers for unpurchased shareware or commercial software.
> >
> > SEB Warez: pirated (stolen) software
> >
> > --------
>
> It is very important that this group not be confused with a warez
> group. What you are doing by limiting the definition of warez is to
> leave a loophole allowing discussion of the latter two categories in
> this group. And you must remember that the Pricelessware page will be
> viewed as a third kind of F.A.Q. with your inclusion of a list of
> definitions. But then, you do of course realize this already.
SEB:
Susan Bugher
<quote>
This is a response to posts by JanC, John Fitzsimons and John Corliss on
05/23/2003. I have cut and pasted their comments - noting which person's
post they were copied from.
</quote>
Susan
Susan Bugher
Tramp
usene...@janc.invalid says...
|> *WARE* DEFINITIONS
|Adware: software that displays advertising for other products and/or
|services (often downloaded from the internet). Adware is often but not
|always spyware
Works for me
|SEB Betaware: preliminary version - not fully tested
|
|Betaware: a preliminary but useable version of what will be the final
|version of a program.
Works for me.
|Cardware: the author asks that you send him (or his/her kids) a postcard.
It's optional is some cases as well. Works for me.
| SEB Careware: non-monetary request
Works for me.
|SEB CDWare: software that is included on CDs that come with
|magazines.
Works for me.
|SEB Donationware: monetary contribution requested
|I would include the word "optional" to make clear it is in fact optional.
Works for me..
> SEB Nagware - has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking
> you to purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by
> pressing a button on it.
|Nagware: has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking you to
|purchase the software. You must press a button to get past the nag screen.
This is not all there is for nagware. Look at webreaper. It has a splash
screen that stays up for a very long time, and as far as I know it can't
be changed. To me this is more annoying than some screen I can get rid of
by pushing a button.
Some nagware displays the screen when you try to save a project, shut
down the program or at timed intervals (every 30 seconds every minute, 2
minutes, 10 minutes etc.)
> JC Postcardware - payment for the program is a postcard you send
> to the author.
Works for me
|Registerware: you must register in order to be able to use the program.
|The registration form may ask you to provide personal information.
|(*sometimes* an e-mail address to send a license key is all they ask)
Works for me.
|SEB Shareware: payment is required for legal use of the software
|Shareware: software that you are allowed to try out and share with others,
|but requires payment for actual use.
Works for me.
> SEB Trialware: software which stops working after a short period
> of time (usually 30 days)
|... after a period of time or a number of uses.
Works for me.
Susan Bugher
Hello Roger,
When I was assembling this year's Pricelessware pages I added notations
for ware types as I did each program - we ended up with careware,
cardware, mailware, etc. I did not use the term litewear because I was
concerned that people would not understand it - I opted for "light
version of commercial program" because I thought it would be more
readily understood.
The ware list will allow me to make the descriptions a bit simpler and
more uniform. It will give visitors to the Pricelessware site a better
understanding of the program descriptions.
The other reason for adding a ware list is as an aid to people who
frequent the ACF newgroup. England and America are sometimes defined two
countries divided by a common language - to some extent I think this is
true with ware types in the newsgroup . . .
Defining trialware as time *or* use limited software seems adequate to
me. As bob noted trialware is not eligible for Pricelessware. Perhaps
even more to the point it is usually mentioned in ACF only in posts
responding to an earlier post - with the comment that such and such
software is off-topic because it is trialware.
and besides . . .
there are 19 ware types now, I'd rather not add another one . . . :)
Susan
Susan Bugher
> > you to purchase the software. You must turn off the nag screen by
> > pressing a button on it.
>
> |Nagware: has a popup (nag) screen at program startup, asking you to
> |purchase the software. You must press a button to get past the nag screen.
>
> This is not all there is for nagware. Look at webreaper. It has a splash
> screen that stays up for a very long time, and as far as I know it can't
> be changed. To me this is more annoying than some screen I can get rid of
> by pushing a button.
>
> Some nagware displays the screen when you try to save a project, shut
> down the program or at timed intervals (every 30 seconds every minute, 2
> minutes, 10 minutes etc.)
Hi Tramp,
Thanks for commenting.
The behavior of splash screens and nag screens is somewhat different.
Splash screens *eventually* disappear of their own accord. Some splash
screens can be turned off fairly easily. AFAIK nag screens cannot.
Ware definitions describe features common to a certain type of ware. In
effect, a kind of shorthand. If splash screens and nag screens are both
called nagware additional comments will be needed to describe a program.
If a splash screen can be turned off, would the program still be
nagware?
Nagware for software with nag screens, incredibly annoying splash screen
for programs like Webreaper seems simpler to me.
Susan
Ed Nichols
enjoy this wounderful news group...!
tls...@concentric.net wrote:
> On Thu, 22 May 2003 05:40:17 -0500, Vic Dura <vpd...@hiwaay.net> took
> a very strange color crayon and scribbled:
>
> >But the "arrogant, opinionated" are discouraging all
> >posters, not just women. Although as you say, they do seem
> >particularly hard on women.
>
> They are? I guess I must be wearing armoralls then because I've never
> let criticism bother me.
>
> (-;
>
>
>
kqs_v1
> Because they are one-of-a-kind or two-of-a-kind I grouped these
> odd-wares under Donationware/special.
>
> Cardware (DeKnop)
> Careware (Arachnophilia)
> Charityware (vim)
> Mailware (TreeSize)
> Postcardware (Hotkeys) (Exact Audio Copy (EAC))
> Make_my_day_ware (Yankee Clipper III)
> Shonenware (The Proxomitron)
I recognize most of those as part of the pricelessware list. At large,
there might be a variety of other original odd-ware. Sillyware, for
example. <http://www.sillysot.com/sillyware.htm> "SillyWare is a program
for which the author accepts donations of utterly silly, totally worthless
things..."
--
/kqs
Jenny_Harper
"Susan Bugher" <whoise...@kvi.net> wrote in message
news:3ECEDC32...@kvi.net...
> there are 19 ware types now, I'd rather not add another one . . . :)
Don't forget UNDERWARE, Soozy - you keep getting yours in a twist!
Jenny
Blinky the Shark
> Echo Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net>:
I love Proxomitron, even though I don't use it any more. That aside,
I'd say the author's thing about Shonen Knife (he even names his
releases Nakao [number], rather than version [number], because that's
the name of one of the members of the band), which has manifested itself
in "Shonenware" (buy a Shonen Knife albun), qualifies for some kind of
"sillyware" designation, by that or a similar label.
I certainly don't believe that "Shonenware" is deserving of a whole
separate label just because the author came up with a silly name, any
more than, if I started releasing freeware with the catchnamne
"Sharkware", that would really be indicative of a whole new category.
BUT why not just simply lump it into donationware. Granted, buying an
album isn't like giving to the Red Cross or the author -- but the
process and the net effect on the user is exactly the same: he's
voluntarily transfered money, in appreciation of the software. In this
case, you get an album. But it's still voluntary -- it's just
donationware with a weird recipient instead of the author or a
non-profit.
--
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kqs_v1
> separate label just because the author came up with a silly name, any
> more than, if I started releasing freeware with the catchnamne
> "Sharkware"
You know, that's actually preety darn sleek to the ear. Sharkware.
I think you ought start outputting some code, so we can launch this
new catchy branding.
--
/kqs
Susan Bugher
>
> > Echo Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net>:
>
> >> Because they are one-of-a-kind or two-of-a-kind I grouped these
> >> odd-wares under Donationware/special.
>
> >> Cardware (DeKnop) Careware (Arachnophilia) Charityware (vim) Mailware
> >> (TreeSize) Postcardware (Hotkeys) (Exact Audio Copy (EAC))
> >> Make_my_day_ware (Yankee Clipper III) Shonenware (The Proxomitron)
>
> separate label just because the author came up with a silly name, any
> more than, if I started releasing freeware with the catchnamne
> "Sharkware", that would really be indicative of a whole new category.
>
> BUT why not just simply lump it into donationware. Granted, buying an
> album isn't like giving to the Red Cross or the author -- but the
> process and the net effect on the user is exactly the same: he's
> voluntarily transfered money, in appreciation of the software. In this
> case, you get an album. But it's still voluntary -- it's just
> donationware with a weird recipient instead of the author or a
> non-profit.
Hi Blinky,
I hate to lump the odd critters in with donationware - that seems to
have one specific meaning - a voluntary payment to the software author.
The oddware requests vary. They may use the same name and mean different
things. Saw a postcardware program today - definition of postcardware:
send me an email.
I'm not entranced with donationware/special for the one-of-a-kind wares.
Any better suggestions.
Susan
Susan Bugher
>
> Echo Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net>:
>
> > Because they are one-of-a-kind or two-of-a-kind I grouped these
> > odd-wares under Donationware/special.
>
> I recognize most of those as part of the pricelessware list. At large,
> there might be a variety of other original odd-ware. Sillyware, for
> example. <http://www.sillysot.com/sillyware.htm> "SillyWare is a program
> for which the author accepts donations of utterly silly, totally worthless
> things..."
and sisterware:
http://spazioinwind.libero.it/unforgiven/frameset.htm
You can (MUST!) freely diffuse and use this program only if credits is
given, and the sisterware scheme is satisfied sending me informations,
photos or lingerie of your lovely sister!
Susan
Blinky the Shark
Or possibly a line of boxer shorts. :)
kqs_v1
> kqs_v1 wrote:
> >
> > there might be a variety of other original odd-ware. Sillyware, for
> > example. <http://www.sillysot.com/sillyware.htm> "SillyWare is a program
> > for which the author accepts donations of utterly silly, totally worthless
> > things..."
>
> and sisterware:
>
> http://spazioinwind.libero.it/unforgiven/frameset.htm
>
> You can (MUST!) freely diffuse and use this program only if credits is
> given, and the sisterware scheme is satisfied sending me informations,
> photos or lingerie of your lovely sister!
That's pretty funny.
Hm, for this guy, I think I'll wait a bit, until my sister reaches her
advanced matronly years, ply her with a little gin, haver her dress down
to the knickers, then let him then experience some "mature sensual images."
If one wanted, there ought to be a way to do a web search. I'd have to
rtfm on the "word-stemming" thing. How to do something along the lines
of "*ware + -shareware -freeware (etc)"
--
/kqs
Blinky the Shark
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>> > Echo Susan Bugher <whoise...@kvi.net>:
>> >> Because they are one-of-a-kind or two-of-a-kind I grouped these
>> >> odd-wares under Donationware/special.
>> >> Cardware (DeKnop) Careware (Arachnophilia) Charityware (vim)
>> >> Mailware (TreeSize) Postcardware (Hotkeys) (Exact Audio Copy
>> >> (EAC)) Make_my_day_ware (Yankee Clipper III) Shonenware (The
>> >> Proxomitron)
>> I certainly don't believe that "Shonenware" is deserving of a whole
>> separate label just because the author came up with a silly name, any
>> more than, if I started releasing freeware with the catchnamne
>> "Sharkware", that would really be indicative of a whole new category.
>> BUT why not just simply lump it into donationware. Granted, buying
>> an album isn't like giving to the Red Cross or the author -- but the
>> process and the net effect on the user is exactly the same: he's
>> voluntarily transfered money, in appreciation of the software. In
>> this case, you get an album. But it's still voluntary -- it's just
>> donationware with a weird recipient instead of the author or a
>> non-profit.
> Hi Blinky,
> I hate to lump the odd critters in with donationware - that seems to
> have one specific meaning - a voluntary payment to the software
> author.
Except that I've seen it be to a *charity*. Which, is, of course,
*very* much an accepted and understood mainstream definition of
donation, as well. So you already have two (legit, in my opinion)
types. Surely, it's *usually* meant for the author, I'll grant.
> The oddware requests vary. They may use the same name and mean
> different things. Saw a postcardware program today - definition of
> postcardware: send me an email.
Someone lacks a good definition of "postcard". :)
I like oddware better than sillyware.
> I'm not entranced with donationware/special for the one-of-a-kind
> wares. Any better suggestions.
Oddware, as mentioned, sounds better to me than sillyware. I like
goofyware, too, because I think stuff like "Shonenware" *is* -- but I am
not proposing it. Ditto quirkware. :)