Pricelessware CD 2008 license checking summary

B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson

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Obviously, some people can't be bothered to check and prove their unfounded
claims, even when pointed to the relevant threads. This has been the case
for weeks and months, by now, with the Pricelessware 2008 CD creation
project, which occurred during the first two months 2009 and can be
recapped here (first messages of threads):

To search Message-ID's via Google Groups, append them to:

http://groups.google.de/groups/search?as_umsgid=
> e.g.: http://groups.google.de/groups/search?as_umsgid=glkuqp$5hd$1...@reader.motzarella.org

As can be seen from those threads, some people devoted much of their spare
time of more than two weeks to *ensure*, that only programs where included
in the PL CD creation, whose authors permitted it either by license file,
program messages, help file, on the website, and so on. If necessary (or
in uncertain cases) authors where asked for explicit permission.

Moreover, the need for the inclusion of source code for GPL-style programs
has been verified with the Free Software foundation:

Message-ID: <gm23go$4hm$1...@reader.motzarella.org>
> http://groups.google.de/group/alt.comp.freeware/msg/6070ef1b47bb9ed9

Programs like Media Player Classic or GParted LiveCD were excluded from
CD creation, because either the appropriate source code (correct version)
could not be found or the effort of assembling the source was simply too
high.

Other programs were omitted because of explicit export restrictions
(TrueCrypt, Wireshark) or uncertainties in such matters (KeePass, PuTTY,
UltraVNC).

Despite all the effort, the contributors of the CD creation project simply
did not have time to check all and every program in-depth. Sometimes, the
contact to the software authors was either broken or could not be found
out, at all. All such uncertain programs were /left out/ from the CD's.

After two weeks of tremendous efforts, two CD images were compiled and set
for download and torrent seeding. That's the main distribution way to all
people with reasonably speedy access to the Internet. As in past years,
volunteers offered to burn and send physical CD's to people asking. The
rules for this distribution scheme are laid down in the README.TXT in
the root of both CD images (and are therefore easily available to all
recipients of burned CD's):

| Redistribution of the CD:
|
| Pricelessware programs are included if the author freely allows redistribution
| and/or gave permission to the alt.comp.freeware newsgroup to include the
| program on this CD.
|
| You may make copies of this CD and distribute them to others. Recipients may
| be asked to furnish a blank CD. They may not be asked to pay a fee of any kind.

To prevent tempering with the images, every CD has a copy of DVDSig and an
MD5-Hash file. The Hash-files are also available on the Internet:

http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/Archives/2008PL-CD/dvdsig.md5
http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/ftp/Archives/2008PL-CD/CD-2/dvdsig.md5

It, IMHO, is nearly impossible to increase the secureness of the process.
Considering all the above, it most likely is much easier for people who
want to unrightfully make money from the efforts of freeware authors and
acf Pricelessware selection participants, to just take the result lists
from PL2008 (which include all download addresses) and create CD images
of their own.

Following Occam's razor, the effort that went in the CD creation and still
goes into distribution is entirely altruistic. It is simply a way to say
"thank you" to freeware authors by spreading word about their wonderful
software. And it is a means to help people, who are in search for freeware.
Again, this obviously is a display of gratitude for all the goodness that
participants of the Pricelessware CD creation process received, receive,
and will continue to receive themselves from the freeware-interested
community.

Below follows an excerpt from the afore mentioned license checking threads.
Although I had to shorten some references and often had to select one out
of many messages discussing a specific program, the gist of the license
review process should be recognizable.

Since it took quite some time to prepare this list, I suggest everybody
who lazily took part in spreading unfounded accusations (without checking
the relevant threads) about the CD creation and distribution compensates
the freeware community by picking one program from the Pricelessware 2008
list and donating a /noticeable/ amount of money.

Since I have no reason to not trust everybody involved in the CD creation
and distribution (and venerate the immense efforts invested) this is all I
have to say on this topic. Even if in-depth analyses showed misjudgements
about one or more license phrases (I doubt it, but of course can not
completely rule them out), it would be because of personal error or
incomprehension and not because of intention.

Actually, I believe the Pricelessware CD license checking to be more
intense than most commercial Freeware-CD creation projects.

BeAr

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Detailed List of license checking for all Pricelessware 2008 programs
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PROGRAM: µTorrent
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <rUfjl.354378$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: These programs have been investigated and may not be
redistributed on the PL2008CD. [µTorrent]
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PROGRAM: 1by1
CHECKED_BY: MAMEngineer
Message-ID: <49807121$0$89389$815e...@news.qwest.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: From License.txt: […] You can freely use this software
and distribute copies of the ORIGINAL DISTRIBUTION FILE as long as NO
ALTERATIONS are made to its contents and no charge is raised except a
reasonable fee for distributing costs.
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PROGRAM: 40tude Dialog
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: EULA
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PROGRAM: 7-Zip
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU LPGL
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PROGRAM: AbiWord
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: Adblock Plus
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6ucg1eF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: Mozilla Public License
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PROGRAM: Agent Ransack
CHECKED_BY: Ron May
Message-ID: <gk73o4luoc3kv76ua...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: per license.txt "4. David Vest grants non-profit
distribution rights to any company/individual wishing to distribute,
without charge, the COMPLETE "AGENT RANSACK" installation files. Any
distribution MUST include ALL original files without modifications or
additions."
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PROGRAM: AM-Deadlink
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <9uo0o45oslusapvme...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: per deadlink.chm include in the archive: "The SOFTWARE
PRODUCT may be freely distributed, provided the distribution package is not
modified."
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PROGRAM: AMP Font Viewer
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <9uo0o45oslusapvme...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: per readme.html include in the archive: "You can
redistribute this software for free, as long as you don't charge any money,
and only if you use the original package."
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PROGRAM: Artweaver
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <LKghl.333664$Mh5....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: per author's email "you can add Artweaver to your CD.
Boris Eyrich"
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PROGRAM: Audacity
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: AutoHotkey
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: AutoIt
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <x2hgl.324164$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: website EULA
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PROGRAM: Autoruns
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: EULA (online)
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PROGRAM: Avast!
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: "Programs marked OMIT with no further explanation are
apps I regard as no-hopers (programs that we would not be permitted to
distribute)."
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PROGRAM: Bart's PE Builder
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6v6jg1F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: The license is here:
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/pebuilder.txt […] "Permission is hereby
granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of the Software to
use, copy, publish and distribute the Software, subject to the conditions
of this License."
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PROGRAM: Belarc Advisor
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: EULA
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PROGRAM: Bulk Rename Utility
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <mjc8o414ktunoq508...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: I've received authorisation from Paul. Here is the email:
From: BulkRenameUtility Support <support @ bulkrenameutility.co.uk> [...]
You are welcome to include our software "Bulk Rename Utility" on the ISO.
You can download the latest installer from
http://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/Download.php Where can I see the list of
programs that will be included + where can I download the ISO from? thanks
Paul
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PROGRAM: Calendar Magic
CHECKED_BY: canetoad
Message-ID: <6ubm9uF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: This program is copyright (c) 1995 - 2008 Alex Balfour.
It is "freeware" and may be distributed, without prior permission, provided
that no alterations are made to any file contained within the product.
[copied from the license contained within the program folder. –
Message-ID: <6ubtd1F...@mid.individual.net>]
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PROGRAM: Cathy
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6v8jaiF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: Robert Vasicek has given his permission
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PROGRAM: CCleaner (Crap Cleaner)
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: CDex
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: Cobian Backup
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6ugr5rF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: [EULA] "The author hereby grants permission to use, copy
and distribute, (but NOT sell or modify) this software and its
documentation, provided that all the original files are retained unchanged
in all copies and that this notice is included verbatim in any
distributions. No written agreement, license, or royalty fee is required
to use or distribute this software."
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PROGRAM: Convert
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: readme
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PROGRAM: Copernic Desktop Search Home
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: CPU-Z
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <hrslo497au1nb1o0s...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: by email I've received: From: "Franck Delattre" <cpuz @
cpuid.com> [...] Subject: Re: Request to include CPU-Z in a freeware
compilation [...] oui pas de problème. merci, Franck
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PROGRAM: CrystalDiskMark
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: CSVed
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Cygwin
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <x2hgl.324164$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source GPL
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PROGRAM: dBworx
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Defraggler
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: dirhtml
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6v615pF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: Eric has given his approval.
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PROGRAM: docmd
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: DriveImage XML
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6v5s7rF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: per the help file (which can be downloaded separately)
distribution of the Private Edition is okay
http://www.runtime.org/dixml.chm
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PROGRAM: Dup Detector
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: help file
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PROGRAM: DVD Flick
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: EAC (Exact Audio Copy)
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: "web page"
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PROGRAM: EclipseCrossword
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <x2hgl.324164$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: License.rtf
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PROGRAM: Email Link Encoder
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Emergency Recovery Utility NT (ERUNT)
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <9uo0o45oslusapvme...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: per readme.txt include in the archive: " The ERUNT
package (including the programs ERUNT, AUTOBACK, ERDNT and NTREGOPT) is
freeware. Please pass it to anyone who you think may find it useful. I
explicitly allow this package to be included in any file archive, CD-ROM or
other media collection"
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PROGRAM: Eraser
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: EssentialPIM (EPIM)
CHECKED_BY: Ron May
Message-ID: <5nl1o4drbpef0mb7n...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: per License.txt: Redistribution of EssentialPIM. You may
make copies of the evaluation SOFTWARE as you wish; give exact copies of
the original SOFTWARE to anyone; and distribute the SOFTWARE in its
unmodified form via electronic means (Internet, BBS's, Shareware
distribution libraries, CD-ROMs, etc.). You may not charge any fee for the
copy or use of the evaluation SOFTWARE itself, but you may charge a
distribution fee that is reasonably related to any cost you incur
distributing the evaluation SOFTWARE (e.g. packaging). You must not
represent in any way that you are selling the SOFTWARE itself. Your
distribution of the SOFTWARE will not entitle you to any compensation from
EPim Ltd.. You must distribute a copy of this EULA with any copy of the
SOFTWARE and anyone to whom you distribute the SOFTWARE is subject to this
EULA.
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PROGRAM: ExamDiff
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6v5u6oF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: per the v 1.8 readme distribution is okay
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PROGRAM: ExifTool/ExifTool GUI
CHECKED_BY: From: T0M
Message-ID: <g291o4t9lsp67q066...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: OK to redistribute per information from the Author's
webpage (http://www.sno.phy.queensu.ca/~phil/exiftool/): "License ^ This is
free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the same
terms as Perl itself."
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PROGRAM: FastStone Capture
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <Hzojl.15120$4m1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: Got a response from FastStone Soft. "FastStone Image
Viewer v3.6 and FastStone Capture v5.3 are free for home users. For
commercial users, registration is required. You are welcome to distribute
them to others on CD/DVD."
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PROGRAM: FastStone Image Viewer
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <Hzojl.15120$4m1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: Got a response from FastStone Soft. "FastStone Image
Viewer v3.6 and FastStone Capture v5.3 are free for home users. For
commercial users, registration is required. You are welcome to distribute
them to others on CD/DVD."
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PROGRAM: FeedDemon
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: FileAlyzer
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: FileMenu Tools
CHECKED_BY: Klaatu
Message-ID: <Xns9BAD90B8015DF...@individual.net>
RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: From the EULA during install […] User can share this
software with friends and colleagues. User can distribute this software
through his own website but only for FREE. […] IT Magazines editors or
their representatives may include this software in CD-ROMs bundled with
their magazines; however they must inform the developer. [...] Webmasters
can hosts this software: they must inform the developer.
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PROGRAM: Filemon
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: EULA (online)
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PROGRAM: Filenote (ShellTools)
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: FileZilla
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: Foobar2000
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Foxit Reader
CHECKED_BY: Ron May
Message-ID: <gtl1o4t6ftpf32rt6...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: OK for PL CD, but has strange conditions on some other
methods of redistribution. (website EULA): "REDISTRIBUTION: User can
redistribute Foxit Reader under this agreement under the condition that
User agrees not to redistribute Foxit Reader on mobile devices or embedded
devices including cellular phones, PDA’s, and all other handheld devices."
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PROGRAM: FreeCommander
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <63nto4tvfobu7g5m0...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: by email I've received from the author: From: Marek
Jasinski <marek @ freecommander.com> [...] I am glad FreeCommander will be
incuded in pricelesswarehome ISO file. I agree! Regards Marek
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PROGRAM: Ghostscript
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <x2hgl.324164$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source GPL2+
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PROGRAM: GIMP
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: GParted LiveCD
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <j3Ohl.339504$Mh5.2...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: (OMIT)
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: It's going to take quite a bit of work to comply with the
GPL on this one. It's a functioning Linux CD and has a lot of software on
it, in addition to GParted. [...] we'll need to hunt down and provide
source code for the following - [...]
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PROGRAM: Hamster
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source
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PROGRAM: Hash
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <rtt6o4pcjekkdm9e9...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: Just received the authorization from Robin ! [...] Hi,
yes, certainly, go ahead and include the programs. Thank you for asking.
[...] (Yours programs "K9", "Hash" and "Neutron" have been elected and now
we would like to build an ISO file to include all the 2008 winners. This
ISO will be available from the net.)
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PROGRAM: HijackThis
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: HostsMan
CHECKED_BY: Ron May
Message-ID: <5r12o4dq0gpfdiklu...@4ax.com>
RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: The Licensor grants you the royalty-free right to
reproduce and distribute this freeware as part of a CD-ROM to be enclosed
with the print issue of any magazine, book or printed publication, as long
as said CD-ROM and printed publication contain material that would have
been distributed regardless of the inclusion of this freeware, and NO EXTRA
FEE IS CHARGED for inclusion of this freeware." CD distribution is tied to
printed publications. We don't fit the specifics, but ISTM the author
probably wouldn't object if we can reach him.
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PROGRAM: HTTrack Website Copier
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: HxD
CHECKED_BY: Tim
Message-ID: <6Hbhl.65337$pp1....@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: HxD - from "license.txt" in the installation folder -
"Right of use/Distribution Permission is granted to anyone to use this
Software for any purpose, including commercial applications, and to
redistribute it, provided that the warranty disclaimer is accepted and the
following conditions are met: 1. All redistributions must keep the
original package intact. No file may be removed or modified. Especially
you must retain all copyright notices that are currently in place, and
this license without modification. 2. The origin of this Software must
not be misrepresented; you must not claim that you wrote the original
Software. 3. You may distribute this Software and charge a distribution
fee, but you must not represent in any way that you are selling the
Software itself."
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PROGRAM: IcoFX
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Iconoid
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: ImgBurn
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <9uo0o45oslusapvme...@4ax.com>
RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: Absolutly no info about redistribution in License
Agreement.rtf included in the installation folder.
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PROGRAM: IrfanView
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: "per author"
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PROGRAM: JKDefrag
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: JKDefragGUI
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <7xAgl.207$4m1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: OK to redistribute - see ReadMeFirst.txt
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PROGRAM: K9
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <rtt6o4pcjekkdm9e9...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: Just received the authorization from Robin ! [...] Hi,
yes, certainly, go ahead and include the programs. Thank you for asking.
[...] (Yours programs "K9", "Hash" and "Neutron" have been elected and now
we would like to build an ISO file to include all the 2008 winners. This
ISO will be available from the net.)
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PROGRAM: Karen's Replicator
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6ub8sqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: "Karen has never given ACF permission to distribute a
program"
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PROGRAM: KatMouse
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: KeePass Password Safe
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <rUfjl.354378$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: uses encryption (prevent export from the US to some
countries or may be prevented from being imported)
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PROGRAM: Kerio Personal Firewall [v2.1.5]
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: EULA
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PROGRAM: KompoZer
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <7xAgl.207$4m1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source MPL1.1 GPL2 LG
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PROGRAM: Lister
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Lupas Rename
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <9uo0o45oslusapvme...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: per License.txt include in the archive: "Lupas Rename may
be freely distributed as long as the files in this archive are unchanged
and no fee is charged for its distribution."
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PROGRAM: Mailwasher
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: EULA
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PROGRAM: Media Player Classic
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <rUfjl.354378$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: can't find source code to match program - can only find
source in SVN repository, but nothing to match specific versions of the
program, as required by GPL
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PROGRAM: Memtest86+
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: metapad
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: web site
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PROGRAM: Microsoft Baseline Security Analyzer (MBSA)
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <rUfjl.354378$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: These programs have been investigated and may not be
redistributed on the PL2008CD. [MBSA]
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PROGRAM: Microsoft Virtual PC (VPC)
CHECKED_BY: MAMEngineer
Message-ID: <4980a270$0$87076$815e...@news.qwest.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: "You must notify the end user of any future updates
available on www.microsoft.com/virtualpc"
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PROGRAM: Miranda IM
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: MozBackup
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <hhg3o4p63f1jdd3sm...@4ax.com>
RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: I've checked in the Author website and the only info
about licencesing is this sentence: " MozBackup is distributed as
freeware!" So I think the only way is to contact the author to ask him
permission
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PROGRAM: Mozilla Firefox
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <7xAgl.207$4m1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source MPL 1.1
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PROGRAM: Mozilla Thunderbird
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <7xAgl.207$4m1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source MPL 1.1
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PROGRAM: MP3Gain
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <7xAgl.207$4m1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source LGPL
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PROGRAM: mpTrim
CHECKED_BY: Ron May
Message-ID: <9793o4tulcgpgs4ko...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: per "About - Registration" from program menu: "This is
the freeware version of mpTrim. It doesn't require registration and can be
used and distributed freely."
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PROGRAM: MultiRes
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Neutron
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <rtt6o4pcjekkdm9e9...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: Just received the authorization from Robin ! [...] Hi,
yes, certainly, go ahead and include the programs. Thank you for asking.
[...] (Yours programs "K9", "Hash" and "Neutron" have been elected and now
we would like to build an ISO file to include all the 2008 winners. This
ISO will be available from the net.)
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PROGRAM: Ninotech Path Copy
CHECKED_BY: Tim
Message-ID: <6Hbhl.65337$pp1....@en-nntp-06.dc1.easynews.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: The last couple of lines of "README.TXT" in the
installation folder say - "This program is freeware and may be
redistributed without limit provided it is retained in its original form,
with all files included."
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PROGRAM: nLite
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Notepad++
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: NoteTab Light
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <OU2gl.322601$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 1
DECISION_EXCERPT: License.txt (curr ver only)
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PROGRAM: OpenExpert
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: OpenOffice.org
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source; GNU LGPL
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PROGRAM: Opera
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Oscar's File Renamer
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Paragon Drive Backup Express
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6ub6vdF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: http://pad.paragon-software.com/db_express.xml; "PARAGON
reserves all rights of reproduction, distribution and publication"
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PROGRAM: PDF-XChange Viewer
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <9v5gl.157990$_Y1.7...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
<http://www.docu-track.com/home/prod_user/PDF-XChange_Tools/pdfx_viewer>
"Free for Private and Commercial use, provided not bundled with other
software"
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PROGRAM: PDFCreator
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: PhotoFiltre
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <1jk3o4p61eo5bn24p...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: "by email I ve just received: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009
16:53:50 +0100 | From: photofiltre @ free.fr [...] Ok si c'est à usage
gratuit | bonne continuation ! Cordialement"
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PROGRAM: Picasa 2
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: POP Peeper
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Process Explorer
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: EULA (online)
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PROGRAM: PStart
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: PuTTY
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <rUfjl.354378$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: uses encryption (prevent export from the US to some
countries or may be prevented from being imported)
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PROGRAM: Recuva
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: RegMon
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: EULA (online)
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PROGRAM: Resource Hacker
CHECKED_BY: Thip
Message-ID: <6ucbq0F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: Hi Kathy. Yes, you're welcome to include Resource Hacker
in the Pricelessware CD. Angus
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PROGRAM: Revo Uninstaller
CHECKED_BY: Ron May
Message-ID: <iq32o411drpohh0jr...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: per license.txt "Revo Uninstaller is FREEWARE. You can
freely use this software and distribute copies of the ORIGINAL DISTRIBUTION
FILE as long as NO ALTERATIONS are made to the file and its contents, no
charge is raised and that this license agreement is not violated in any
ways. Any other way of distributing this software is prohibited."
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PROGRAM: Roadkil's Unstoppable Copier
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <261vo41si22n0k9i1...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: I've received a email for Unstoppable Copier from: From:
Roadkil <roadkil @ roadkil.net> [...] please feel free to add any of my
apps to your ISO.
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PROGRAM: Screen2exe
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Scribus
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: SeaMonkey
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: Mozilla Public License
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PROGRAM: Secunia Personal Software Inspector (PSI)
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Skype
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: "Programs marked OMIT with no further explanation are
apps I regard as no-hopers (programs that we would not be permitted to
distribute)."
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PROGRAM: SoftPerfect Network Scanner
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: SpeedFan
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <sgg4o4ddulro01qqj...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: by email received from the author but need to put newer
version. here is a copy of the email: From: "Alfredo Milani-Comparetti"
<alfredo @ milanicomparetti.com> […] yes, you can put the official
installer on the ISO. If you put 4.37 it would be great. It works
absolutely great! I suggest you not to pur 4.36 on the ISO, because it
contained a nasty bug that caused defined EVENTs to be forgotten 4.37 adds
several interesting features over 4.35. Bye bye from Italy
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PROGRAM: SpywareBlaster
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: SQLite Database Browser
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: public domain
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PROGRAM: SyncBack Freeware
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: System Information for Windows (SIW)
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <7xAgl.207$4m1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: <http://www.gtopala.com/tss/license-agreement.html> 3.
License Types: FREEWARE LICENSE This software is being distributed as
Freeware for personal, NON-commercial use. It may be freely used, copied
and distributed as long as it is used only for personal purposes. Use on
single or multiple PCs in a corporate, educational, non-profit, military or
government installation is prohibited. It may be included with
CD-ROM/DVD-ROM distributions. You are NOT allowed to make a charge for
distributing this Software (either for profit or merely to recover your
media and distribution costs) whether as a stand-alone product, or as part
of a compilation or anthology, nor to use it for supporting your business
or customers. It may be distributed freely on any website or through any
other distribution mechanism, as long as no part of it is changed in any
way.
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PROGRAM: Take Command Console LE (light edition)
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6uep3dF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: TCC/LE may be freely distributed, provided the
distribution package is not modified.
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PROGRAM: TClockEx
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <7xAgl.207$4m1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: per README.TXT
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PROGRAM: TCP Optimizer (TCP/IP Optimizer)
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <hhg3o4p63f1jdd3sm...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: per website at: http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php
"The program can be freely (re)distributed, as long as you give us proper
credit as the author, and it is not sold for profit."
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PROGRAM: TED Notepad
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <7xAgl.207$4m1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: per web site manu
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PROGRAM: THE Rename
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: "help file"
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PROGRAM: TinySpell
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Tray It!
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <7xAgl.207$4m1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: trayit_4_6_5_5/readme.txt AND website TrayIt! is
absolutely FREE and if you know of a good site, please upload TrayIt.ZIP!
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PROGRAM: TreePad Lite and TreePad Asia
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: "per author"
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PROGRAM: TrueCrypt
CHECKED_BY: »Q«
Message-ID: <20090203151...@bellgrove.remarqs.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: [export restrictions] section IV.3 of TrueCrypt's
license, <http://www.truecrypt.org/legal/license>
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PROGRAM: Tweak UI
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <rUfjl.354378$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: These programs have been investigated and may not be
redistributed on the PL2008CD. [Tweak UI]
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PROGRAM: Ultimate Boot CD for Windows (UBCD4Win)
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <rUfjl.354378$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: These programs have been investigated and may not be
redistributed on the PL2008CD. [UBCD4Win]
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PROGRAM: UltraVNC
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <rUfjl.354378$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: uses encryption (prevent export from the US to some
countries or may be prevented from being imported)
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PROGRAM: Undelete Plus
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Universal Extractor
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: Unlocker
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <h9g9o45afgrqjr4dt...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: I've just received authorization [...] From: Collomb
Cédrick <ccollomb @ yahoo.com> Reply-To: ccollomb @ yahoo.com Subject: Re:
Request to include Unlocker in a freeware compilation [...] yes you can as
long as the cd is free.
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PROGRAM: UnxUtils
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: USB Disk Ejector
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <nbb6o4h5d7hom1lup...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: per email. <quote> Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 16:37:23 +0000
From: Bgbennyboy <bengorman @ gmail.com> […] Hi, Thanks for asking, feel
free to include it. Ben
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PROGRAM: USBDeview
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <7xAgl.207$4m1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: <http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/usb_devices_view.html>
License This utility is released as freeware. You are allowed to freely
distribute this utility via floppy disk, CD-ROM, Internet, or in any other
way, as long as you don't charge anything for this. If you distribute this
utility, you must include all files in the distribution package, without
any modification !
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PROGRAM: USBDLM
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <X7Xgl.1942$4m1....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: based on explanation of German Lizenz.txt [Message-ID:
<1swhowkojf6bx$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de>]
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PROGRAM: VirtualBox
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6uuinmF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: The binaries cannot be distributed. See:
http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox_PUEL
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PROGRAM: VirtuaWin
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: VLC media player
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: Wallpaper Changer
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <9uo0o45oslusapvme...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: per readme.txt include in the archive: "WALLPAPER CHANGER
IS RELEASED AS FREEWARE FOR NON-COMMERCIAL USE. THE AUTHOR GRANTS YOU THE
RIGHT TO REDISTRIBUTE THIS SOFTWARE, AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT CHARGING ANY
MONEY FOR IT, THE DISTRIBUTION FILES ARE KEPT TOGETHER AND UNMODIFIED
AND THE AUTHOR WERE ASKED FOR DISTRIBUTION. YOU MAY GIVE THIS SOFTWARE
PACKAGE TO YOUR FRIENDS, BURN IT ONTO YOUR OWN CD-ROM'S (OR OTHER MEDIA)
AND UPLOAD IT TO FREE/SHAREWARE LISTSERVERS AS LONG AS THE ORIGINAL PACKAGE
REMAINS UNMODIFIED."
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PROGRAM: Winamp Classic
CHECKED_BY: Ron May
Message-ID: <flm1o49easjcccv4v...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: From Website: "Hey! So you're interested in helping
promote Winamp, eh? That's great news because without people like you, the
Winamp audience would never grow! But wonder how such a monumental task can
be done? There are several easy ways. Really! You can distribute Winamp for
free on your website or cd-rom (please read the distribution agreement),
you can place banners for Winamp on your site, or you can even create
t-shirts using the art below..." Distribution agreement here:
http://www.winamp.com/legal/distribution
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PROGRAM: WinDriversBackup Personal Edition
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tp4d4F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: "see .exe properties"
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PROGRAM: WinMerge
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6tpsnqF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: open source: GNU GPL
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PROGRAM: WinPatrol
CHECKED_BY: Susan Bugher
Message-ID: <6v6ninF...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: I've emailed requests for permission to the author of:
WinPatrol | and here's his reply: "Thank you and all the folks at
alt.comp.freeware for their support of WinPatrol. I typically only allow
WinPatrol on disc with magazines but you guys remain my only exception.
I'm honored to have WinPatrol be included on your CD and will do my part to
promote the great work you've done."
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PROGRAM: Winsock XP Fix
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <s36ro4pmlpihj8p77...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: Unfortunatly, the webpage doesn't exist anymore so I
think it would be impossible to have author's approval !
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PROGRAM: Wireshark
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <CYYgl.330142$Mh5....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: Export Restrictions
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PROGRAM: WordWeb
CHECKED_BY:

RESULT: ??
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT:
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PROGRAM: Xenu's Link Sleuth
CHECKED_BY: Thip
Message-ID: <6udfv1F...@mid.individual.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: Sure, go ahead, as long as the software is complete and
not modified. Tilman (Xenu's Link Sleuth)
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PROGRAM: XMedia Recode
CHECKED_BY: mamengineer
Message-ID: <dc_gl.47639$Ew6....@newsfe22.iad>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: per software license - which is in German. Die private
nichtkommerzielle Weitergabe des Programms auf Datenträgern ist gestattet.
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PROGRAM: XMPlay
CHECKED_BY: MAMEngineer
Message-ID: <4980816e$0$33224$815e...@news.qwest.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: From Ian Luckm craetor/author of XMPlay: Yes, that is
fine. Regards, Ian. (On 28/01/2009 15:22, Tom B wrote: Can xmplay be
distributed as part of a free cd containing the "Best of the best" in
freeware, such as the one annually compiled by alt.comp.freeware?)
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PROGRAM: Xnews
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <QXYfl.157377$_Y1.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: xnews.newsguy.com/manual.html
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PROGRAM: Xnview
CHECKED_BY: T0M
Message-ID: <7tv0o41t0ggafrev0...@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <mf41o4pof6rfl122t...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: I ve just received an email from Xnview Author. There is
no problem at all. I can post the email if it's needed. [done in:
Message-ID: <mf41o4pof6rfl122t...@4ax.com>]
----------------------------------------------------------------------
PROGRAM: XXCOPY
CHECKED_BY: John Fitzsimons
Message-ID: <sg8ao4dlc5cv448a6...@4ax.com>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: From: Kan Yabumoto - XXCopy tech | Subject: Re:
Pricelessware. [...] As to the written permission for OKing the CD
production with a copy of XXCOPY in it, yes, we would like to grant a
permission for the Pricelessware CD. Please let this Email to be our
official written permission for the inclusion of XXCOPY freeware by people
who are associated with the alt.comp.freeware group. If you need my Email
to any other person for this purpose, please let me know. With regards, Kan
Yabumoto
----------------------------------------------------------------------
PROGRAM: Yankee Clipper III
CHECKED_BY: mamengineer
Message-ID: <Jt_gl.8936$Ig2....@newsfe10.iad>
RESULT: OK
PL_CD: 2
DECISION_EXCERPT: the license says: "Make_my_day_ware is software you can
do whatever you want with"
----------------------------------------------------------------------
PROGRAM: Zone Alarm
CHECKED_BY: vince
Message-ID: <rUfjl.354378$Mh5.1...@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
RESULT: OMIT
PL_CD: <left out>
DECISION_EXCERPT: These programs have been investigated and may not be
redistributed on the PL2008CD. [Zone Alarm]
----------------------------------------------------------------------

======================================================================
End of detailed list
======================================================================

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On 3/10/2009 10:01 PM, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:
> =====================================================================
> *Please snip as much as possible, if you feel inclined to follow-up!*
> *Please link to this message rather than posting it, again*
> =====================================================================
>

BeAr, in future, please prefix anything PW with a tag so those of us who
don't want to see PW crap in ACF can filter it.

Thanks

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"B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson" <br.ed...@expires-2009-10-31.arcornews.de> wrote
in news:97fwmjs6treg$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de:

> =====================================================================
> *Please snip as much as possible, if you feel inclined to follow-up!*
> *Please link to this message rather than posting it, again*
> =====================================================================
>

Please tag these off-topic posts to ACF with [PL] or [PWH].

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Bear Bottoms

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Oct 3, 2009, 9:44:30 AM10/3/09

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"Jack D. Russell, Sr." <jackru$$el...@notmail.com.invalid> wrote in
news:Xns9C995F6B5B...@188.40.43.213:

> "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson"
> <br.ed...@expires-2009-10-31.arcornews.de> wrote in
> news:97fwmjs6treg$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de:
>
>> =================================================================

>> ==== *Please snip as much as possible, if you feel inclined to

>> follow-up!*
>> *Please link to this message rather than posting it, again*
>> =================================================================
>> ====
>>
>> Obviously, some people can't be bothered to check and prove
>> their unfounded claims, even when pointed to the relevant
>> threads. This has been the case for weeks and months, by now,
>> with the Pricelessware 2008 CD creation project, which occurred
>> during the first two months 2009 and can be recapped here (first
>> messages of threads):
>

> <Snipped>
>
> Good for you. You've always been one of the better contributors to
> this group, but I'm afraid that this effort is doomed to fail to
> accomplish it's intended purpose.
> The people that you refer to were here when the PL 2008 project was
> under way, and full well know that their malicious accusations are
> unfounded and untrue. They are what they are, and they do what they
> do. Presenting proof/facts that debunk them is useless. They aren't
> here to inform/help anyone. They're here to disrupt. Posts
> acknowledging their efforts in any way (Pro and Con) only give them
> what they want. ATTENTION.
> Think about it...
> The only effective way to deal with their particular mental maladies
> is to ignore them. Don't encourage them. If everyone would realize
> that and act accordingly they would soon be gone. Eveyone, please,
> think before pressing that "Send" key to reply to them.
>

I have not concerned myself with the legalities of a CD containing
freeware. Such is only a concern to those who compile them and if
anything objectionable is contained on the CD, I'm sure if any author
objects, he would make contact.

I have posted about my lack of concern on the CD issue.

However, this does not in any way change the facts of the PWH Cult
behavior and the harm they cause to ACF...as you try to do in one fell
swoop. You are simply wrong, and the archives prove factually you are
wrong.

Bear Bottoms

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Bear Bottoms <bearbo...@gmai.com> wrote in
news:Xns9C995907058F5be...@188.40.43.213:

I will add that this and other business of PWH does not belong in this
group.

Flann O'Connor

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Oct 3, 2009, 9:47:40 AM10/3/09

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Me.Here expressed precisely :

> On 3/10/2009 10:01 PM, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:
>> *Please snip as much as possible, if you feel inclined to follow-up!*
>> *Please link to this message rather than posting it, again*
>>
>

> BeAr, in future, please prefix anything PW with a tag so those of us who
> don't want to see PW crap in ACF can filter it.
>
> Thanks

The forgeries in this group are creating a muddle. It's crazy. Is that
message really from Me.Here? It was sent through Eternal September the
forger's favourite. He said he was only using Astra.

It's gone wild in here. How to stop it?

Flann

Craig

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On 10/03/2009 05:01 AM, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:
> =====================================================================
> *Please snip as much as possible, if you feel inclined to follow-up!*
> *Please link to this message rather than posting it, again*
> =====================================================================

(Rest of message ID <97fwmjs6treg$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de> snipped)

Thank you BeAr.

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Oct 3, 2009, 12:49:46 PM10/3/09

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In article <mn.1b777d9a2d...@news.motzarella.org>,
flanno...@hegarty-telecom.net says...

Thanks Flann, yes it's that damn forger again. Update your filters.
<sigh>

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The Ghost of Bare Bottom past

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Oct 3, 2009, 1:12:16 PM10/3/09

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In article <Xns9C995F6B5B...@188.40.43.213>, jackru$$ell2
@notmail.com.invalid says...

>
> "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson"
> <br.ed...@expires-2009-10-31.arcornews.de> wrote in
> news:97fwmjs6treg$.d...@br.ederson.news.arcor.de:
>
> > =================================================================

> > ==== *Please snip as much as possible, if you feel inclined to

> > follow-up!*
> > *Please link to this message rather than posting it, again*
> > =================================================================
> > ====
> >
> > Obviously, some people can't be bothered to check and prove
> > their unfounded claims, even when pointed to the relevant
> > threads. This has been the case for weeks and months, by now,
> > with the Pricelessware 2008 CD creation project, which occurred
> > during the first two months 2009 and can be recapped here (first
> > messages of threads):
>

> <Snipped>
>
> Good for you. You've always been one of the better contributors to
> this group, but I'm afraid that this effort is doomed to fail to
> accomplish it's intended purpose.
> The people that you refer to were here when the PL 2008 project was
> under way, and full well know that their malicious accusations are
> unfounded and untrue. They are what they are, and they do what they
> do. Presenting proof/facts that debunk them is useless. They aren't
> here to inform/help anyone. They're here to disrupt. Posts
> acknowledging their efforts in any way (Pro and Con) only give them
> what they want. ATTENTION.
> Think about it...
> The only effective way to deal with their particular mental maladies
> is to ignore them. Don't encourage them. If everyone would realize
> that and act accordingly they would soon be gone. Eveyone, please,
> think before pressing that "Send" key to reply to them.

'BeAr' has done what should have been done ages ago. His post won't stop
the k00ks, I agree, but what it will do is become a reference that can
be cited whenever they try to persuade others of the legitimacy of their
k00kish lies, such as the recent allegations made at DonationCoder, and
the cross postings to other groups.

Any reasonable person can now see that due diligence was done. End of.

Don't be so negative Jack.

Well done 'BeAr', pain in the arse I'm sure.

--
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former freeware freedom fighter and ï¿œber k00k infiltrator
whacked by the Don.. RIP

Me.Here

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Oct 3, 2009, 3:57:03 PM10/3/09

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Me.Here wrote:

Forgery! Little boys playing their games.

I used to post through Optusnet and now I post through Astra. Don't
believe other lies. <sigh>

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On 4/10/2009 6:57 AM, a twat pretending to be Me.Here wrote:

FORGERY

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Me.Here

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Oct 3, 2009, 4:26:03 PM10/3/09

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The Ghost of Bare Bottom past

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Oct 3, 2009, 4:27:53 PM10/3/09

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In article <e2e18a33c471dba1523d4b94f4cf0a36
@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>, b...@bearshit.invalid says...

No one takes a cross posting forger seriously.

Take your list, you sad, sad, <shakes head in disbelief> and shove it
where the sun don't shine.

Oldphart

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Oct 4, 2009, 3:51:09 AM10/4/09

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Thank you also from me. I appreciate the time and effort put into the
clarification. Anyone that takes the high road and attempts to build
rather than the low road and constantly points fingers has my respect.

KeithS

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Oct 4, 2009, 2:53:44 AM10/4/09

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Bear Bottoms wrote:

> I will add that this and other business of PWH does not belong in this
> group.
>

@ 14.40 local on 30/07/09, in thread 'Private Firewall' Message ID
<Xns9C58571A6D930b...@188.40.43.213> Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
> Post about freeware dude. We need no netcops.

and

@ 2330 local on 31 Aug 09, in thread '[OT kinda] MagicJack update'
Message ID <Xns9C78B21C98C70b...@85.214.113.135> Bear
Bottoms wrote:
>
> Then no OT posts belong here right? I choose what I post, not you!

Practice what you preach old boy.

KeithS

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Oct 4, 2009, 3:31:51 AM10/4/09

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Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
> Please tag these off-topic posts to ACF with [PL] or [PWH].
>

@ 14.40 local on 30/07/09, in thread 'Private Firewall' Message ID

KeithS

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Oct 4, 2009, 3:39:37 AM10/4/09

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Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
> Please tag these off-topic posts to ACF with [PL] or [PWH].
>

Now *that's* better!

KeithS

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Oct 4, 2009, 3:48:43 AM10/4/09

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Bear Bottoms wrote:
>
> Please tag these off-topic posts to ACF with [PL] or [PWH].
>

Now *that's* better!

Flann O'Connor

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Oct 4, 2009, 4:19:00 AM10/4/09

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KeithS used his keyboard to write :

Flagrant hypocrisy is a way Bottoms uses to troll.

Ron May

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Oct 4, 2009, 6:17:09 PM10/4/09

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It was a lot of effort to put that together, but now there's a single
Message-ID to point to that exposes the lie for what it is. It won't
stop the lie from being repeated, but when it shows up in other groups
or in new threads here, the MID can be quoted along with the challenge
that the liar can't provide a specific program name to back up the
false accusation. Good work, BeAr!

--
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Help improve the ACF experience. Please don't feed the trolls.
New to the group? Check out http://www.pricelesswarehome.org/
and try to ignore the threads that aren't freeware related.

Franklin

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Oct 5, 2009, 12:32:40 AM10/5/09

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B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:
>

> Obviously, some people can't be bothered to check and prove their
> unfounded claims, even when pointed to the relevant threads. This has
> been the case for weeks and months, by now, with the Pricelessware
> 2008 CD creation project, which occurred during the first two months
> 2009 and can be recapped here (first messages of threads):
>

> ==links snipped==

> ==snipped==

BeAr's post proves this matter as conclusively as can be expected.

However I don't expect trolls by Chris Millbank (Hummingbird) and
Bottoms trolls will acknowledge what has been written. The aim of
trolls is to stir up dissent on ACF/Pricelessware and to damage its
reputation. They conveniently ignore all the facts.

REM

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Oct 5, 2009, 7:26:46 AM10/5/09

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> hummingbird <hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:

>It is blatantly clear that �Q� doesn't have the evidence because
>it doesn't exist, and yet he hosts the ISOs for download. That
>makes him responsible for any legal violations.

You're talking out of your ass again.

Q was here each and every PL year that I recall and he was fully aware
of the effort to contact program authors to see if inclusion of their
programs was OK.

Google is your friend. I suggest that you hit it, as each years checks
were done right here in ACF.

�Ari�

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Oct 5, 2009, 7:35:07 AM10/5/09

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That whinging pom doesn't let facts stop him.

--
On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:23 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>>Yep, I do indeed use rubbers and condoms.
> I know ...and they also saved my life several times from my own
> stupidity :-(

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vince

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:01:00 +0200, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:

> Since it took quite some time to prepare this list, I suggest everybody
> who lazily took part in spreading unfounded accusations (without checking
> the relevant threads) about the CD creation and distribution compensates
> the freeware community by picking one program from the Pricelessware 2008
> list and donating a /noticeable/ amount of money.
>
> Since I have no reason to not trust everybody involved in the CD creation

> and distribution......

Everything was fine until you blew yourself up with this one, BeAr

Jeffrey Bloss

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:01:00 +0200, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:

> Obviously, some people can't be bothered to check and prove their unfounded
> claims, even when pointed to the relevant threads.

When I was 10, I wrote my parents a long note telling them about all the
tests I had gotten As and Bs on. Your post reminds me of that childish
attempt to distort the truth. A load of shit scrambled around to divert
and confuse and, hoping in God, that they would ask for the *real*
report card.

The *real* PWH report card in this case is not a bunch of Pricelessware
goons telling us about their As and Bs but a posting with the *authors*
of the freeware of their specific permissions to the specific distro
methods, fee collection and other tangible Pricelessware activities.

Verifiable signatures, contact information, etc you know just like on a
report card you take to your parents, assclowns.

Nice try though but the scam goes on.
--
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(@ @) Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read.
-oOO-(_)--OOo-------------------------------[ Groucho Marx ]--
grok! Devoted Microsoft User

Jeffrey Bloss

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Oct 6, 2009, 11:27:30 AM10/6/09

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:22:30 +0000 (UTC), Jack D. Russell, Sr. wrote:

> ...I'm afraid that this effort is doomed to fail to

> accomplish it's intended purpose.

Righto Jacko, it failed to divert from the fact that no one in
Pricelessware can post the acceptances of each author.

*They don't have the permissions*

> The people that you refer to were here when the PL 2008 project

I wasn't, another distortion blown away....

> was
> under way, and full well know that their malicious accusations are
> unfounded and untrue.

Accusations are about malicious activities, you got your words crossed
Jacko.

> They are what they are, and they do what they
> do. Presenting proof/facts that debunk them is useless.

Pricelessware has the permissions, I don't and obviously BeAr doesn't
wither. the proof is in the permissions (which don't exist).

Produce the author's permissions and all debunking will be clear. Don't
and Pricelessware remains a scam run by scammers illegal on an
international level.

> They aren't
> here to inform/help anyone. They're here to disrupt.

Absolutely, I am here to blow the Pricelessware scam completely out of
the water.

Over to you, Jacko!

Jeffrey Bloss

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Oct 6, 2009, 11:28:15 AM10/6/09

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"Q"s gone, look in your ass, see him there?

Nope he's gone gone gone.

Jeffrey Bloss

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On Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:17:09 -0500, Ron May wrote:

> It was a lot of effort to put that together, but now there's a single
> Message-ID to point to that exposes the lie for what it is.

More Ron May claiming to set rules. This isn't Maynet, it is Usenet and
reality has crossed over into it.

The reality is that it is incumbent on the Pricelessware goons like you
to show that you have the authors' permissions in writing to the
Pricelessware use of their freeware.

> It won't
> stop the lie from being repeated, but when it shows up in other groups
> or in new threads here, the MID can be quoted along with the challenge
> that the liar can't provide a specific program name to back up the
> false accusation.

The reality is that it is incumbent on the Pricelessware goons like you
to show that you have the authors' permissions in writing to the
Pricelessware use of their freeware.

Now. MID this post, you scamming asshole.

Jeffrey Bloss

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On Mon, 05 Oct 2009 05:32:40 +0100, Franklin wrote:

> BeAr's post proves this matter as conclusively as can be expected.

lol

Jeffrey Bloss

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Oct 6, 2009, 11:42:13 AM10/6/09

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:01:00 +0200, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:

> *Please snip as much as possible, if you feel inclined to follow-up!*

BTW, BeAr, that really is Christ's image on the Shroud of Turin.

Really.

alvey

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Oct 6, 2009, 6:47:17 PM10/6/09

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 14:01:00 +0200, B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson wrote:

You forgot one thing.
You're dealing with idiots. Facts are irrelevant.

alvey
--
Ignarus alio nomen secundum bestia.

alvey

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Oct 6, 2009, 6:50:05 PM10/6/09

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On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 13:22:30 +0000 (UTC), Jack D. Russell, Sr. wrote:

> "B. R. 'BeAr' Ederson"

>
> Good for you. You've always been one of the better contributors to
> this group, but I'm afraid that this effort is doomed to fail to

> accomplish it's intended purpose.

> The people that you refer to were here when the PL 2008 project was

> under way, and full well know that their malicious accusations are

> unfounded and untrue. They are what they are, and they do what they
> do. Presenting proof/facts that debunk them is useless. They aren't
> here to inform/help anyone. They're here to disrupt. Posts
> acknowledging their efforts in any way (Pro and Con) only give them
> what they want. ATTENTION.
> Think about it...
> The only effective way to deal with their particular mental maladies
> is to ignore them. Don't encourage them. If everyone would realize
> that and act accordingly they would soon be gone. Eveyone, please,
> think before pressing that "Send" key to reply to them.

Seconded.
Life is too short to waste any of it on idiots.

Susan Bugher

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Oct 6, 2009, 7:41:34 PM10/6/09

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Jack D. Russell, Sr. wrote:

> The people that you refer to were here when the PL 2008 project was
> under way, and full well know that their malicious accusations are
> unfounded and untrue.

<snip>

> The only effective way to deal with their particular mental maladies
> is to ignore them. Don't encourage them. If everyone would realize
> that and act accordingly they would soon be gone. Eveyone, please,
> think before pressing that "Send" key to reply to them.

IMO saying the malicious trolls "would soon be gone" if we ignore them
is an unwarranted conclusion. Street people preach their "message" day
after day despite an almost total lack of response from others.
Similarly, in ACF the trolls talk to themselves with sock puppets and
forgeries. ISTM the behavior/response of other people is irrelevant in
both cases.

Susan
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Search alt.comp.freeware (or read it online):
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?q=+group:alt.comp.freeware
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Pricelessware: http://www.pricelessware.org (not maintained)

alvey

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Oct 6, 2009, 9:00:45 PM10/6/09

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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:41:34 -0400, Susan Bugher wrote:

>
>> The only effective way to deal with their particular mental maladies
>> is to ignore them. Don't encourage them. If everyone would realize
>> that and act accordingly they would soon be gone. Eveyone, please,
>> think before pressing that "Send" key to reply to them.
>
> IMO saying the malicious trolls "would soon be gone" if we ignore them
> is an unwarranted conclusion.

Diagree. On the basis of experience in other ngs.
If they're not fed they *will* die.

Jeffrey Bloss

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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:41:34 -0400, Susan Bugher wrote:

> IMO saying the malicious trolls "would soon be gone" if we ignore them
> is an unwarranted conclusion. Street people preach their "message" day
> after day despite an almost total lack of response from others.
> Similarly, in ACF the trolls talk to themselves with sock puppets and
> forgeries. ISTM the behavior/response of other people is irrelevant in
> both cases.
>
> Susan

Here's how this works, again, I draw you and the Pricelessware goons
back to the illegalities and realities you have created.

Personally, I could care less if I have an audience, responses or Ron
May sucking my big toe. All I care about is your prosecutions for
scamming the hell out of countless numbers of freeware newbies.

Toodles.

Ron May

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Oct 7, 2009, 7:18:51 AM10/7/09

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On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:41:34 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> IMO saying the malicious trolls "would soon be gone" if we ignore them
> is an unwarranted conclusion. Street people preach their "message" day
> after day despite an almost total lack of response from others.
> Similarly, in ACF the trolls talk to themselves with sock puppets and
> forgeries. ISTM the behavior/response of other people is irrelevant in
> both cases.

It's still better not to respond to the trolls. All it does is create
more noise, and responding to their k00kery as if it merited an answer
only rewards the behavior. There are many strategies for reducing or
eliminating the disruptions. One person generates about half the
garbage. Another generates maybe half of the remainder. The rest
mainly involves two or three others. Like email spam, it's nearly
impossible to eliminate, but there's a certain predictibility that
makes it easy to dump most of the garbage without having to read
through it.

noauth

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Susan Bugher

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Oct 7, 2009, 12:25:58 PM10/7/09

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Ron May wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:41:34 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:

>> IMO saying the malicious trolls "would soon be gone" if we ignore them
>> is an unwarranted conclusion. Street people preach their "message" day
>> after day despite an almost total lack of response from others.
>> Similarly, in ACF the trolls talk to themselves with sock puppets and
>> forgeries. ISTM the behavior/response of other people is irrelevant in
>> both cases.

> It's still better not to respond to the trolls. All it does is create
> more noise, and responding to their k00kery as if it merited an answer

> only rewards the behavior. <snip>

erm. . . Talking about "how to deal with trolls" is a RESPONSE to the
trolls' posts.

AFAICT the noise level in here DROPPED after BeAr made the post that
started this thread => sometimes the "conventional wisdom" re dealing
with trolls is wrong.

ATM there are 44 posts in this thread. *IMO* there is only ONE valuable
post (BeAr's initial post). *IMO* the rest of the posts are noise
(including my own posts) => EOT for me.

Just my 2 cents worth, YMMV etc. etc.

Susan
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Dan Camper

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Oct 7, 2009, 4:00:23 PM10/7/09

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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 06:18:51 -0500, Ron May wrote:

> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:41:34 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> IMO saying the malicious trolls "would soon be gone" if we ignore them
>> is an unwarranted conclusion. Street people preach their "message" day
>> after day despite an almost total lack of response from others.
>> Similarly, in ACF the trolls talk to themselves with sock puppets and
>> forgeries. ISTM the behavior/response of other people is irrelevant in
>> both cases.
>

> It's still better not to respond to the trolls. I won't talk about
> them either.

heh

what an asshole
--
http://tr.im/1f9p

Ron May

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Oct 7, 2009, 4:04:16 PM10/7/09

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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:25:58 -0400, Susan Bugher wrote:

> Ron May wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:41:34 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> IMO saying the malicious trolls "would soon be gone" if we ignore them
>>> is an unwarranted conclusion. Street people preach their "message" day
>>> after day despite an almost total lack of response from others.
>>> Similarly, in ACF the trolls talk to themselves with sock puppets and
>>> forgeries. ISTM the behavior/response of other people is irrelevant in
>>> both cases.
>
>> It's still better not to respond to the trolls. All it does is create
>> more noise, and responding to their k00kery as if it merited an answer
>> only rewards the behavior. <snip>
>
> erm. . . Talking about "how to deal with trolls" is a RESPONSE to the
> trolls' posts.

Ever since I kicked your fat arse out of Pricelessware, you always come
back arguing like a bitch in heat.

> AFAICT the noise level in here DROPPED after BeAr made the post that
> started this thread => sometimes the "conventional wisdom" re dealing
> with trolls is wrong.

There you go again., Now who is "Talking about "how to deal with
trolls"" which is a RESPONSE to the trolls' posts.

> ATM there are 44 posts in this thread. *IMO* there is only ONE valuable
> post (BeAr's initial post). *IMO* the rest of the posts are noise
> (including my own posts) => EOT for me.

FOAD then.

> Just my 2 cents worth, YMMV etc. etc.

Not worth a penny IMO.

The asshole coward spineless worthless forger trolls have already been
kicked off several legitimate servers and only rogue servers including
Usenet4All, the ACSWFTs' only refuge.....

I think.

<VVBG>

Jeffrey Bloss

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Oct 7, 2009, 4:35:32 PM10/7/09

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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:04:16 -0400, Ron May wrote:

>> Ron May wrote:
>>> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:41:34 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>

>>>> IMO saying the malicious trolls in ACF the trolls talk

>>> It's still better not to respond to the trolls.
>>

>> erm. . . Talking about "how to deal with trolls" is a RESPONSE to the

>> trolls' posts....sometimes the "conventional wisdom" re dealing

>> with trolls is wrong.
>
> There you go again., Now who is "Talking about "how to deal with
> trolls"" which is a RESPONSE to the trolls' posts.

> The asshole coward spineless worthless forger trolls...

"Pricelessware CD 2008 license checking summary" is the subject yet the
Pricelessware goons have referred to "trolls" ten times in the last five
posts.

lol

What a bunch of clowns, they disrupted, killed and shredded their own
thread.

Mark LeFage

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Oct 7, 2009, 4:54:58 PM10/7/09

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On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:35:32 -0400, Jeffrey Bloss wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 16:04:16 -0400, Ron May wrote:
>
>>> Ron May wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:41:34 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> IMO saying the malicious trolls in ACF the trolls talk
>
>>>> It's still better not to respond to the trolls.
>>>
>>> erm. . . Talking about "how to deal with trolls" is a RESPONSE to the
>>> trolls' posts....sometimes the "conventional wisdom" re dealing
>>> with trolls is wrong.
>>
>> There you go again., Now who is "Talking about "how to deal with
>> trolls"" which is a RESPONSE to the trolls' posts.
>
>> The asshole coward spineless worthless forger trolls...
>
> "Pricelessware CD 2008 license checking summary" is the subject yet the
> Pricelessware goons have referred to "trolls" ten times in the last five
> posts.
>
> lol
>
> What a bunch of clowns, they disrupted, killed and shredded their own
> thread.

But I love cock!
--
Some of us are a lot like cement - all mixed up and permanently
set.

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Jeffrey Bloss

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Oct 8, 2009, 11:21:09 AM10/8/09

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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:37:35 +0100, hummingbird wrote:

> For Pricelessware people to bite the bullet and admit that abusing
> ACF with endless OFF topic debates and countless threads about
> Pricelessware business affairs is wrong wrong wrong and has to
> change. You know that it's wrong because Q recently admitted that
> PWH is not really owned by the people on ACF at all.

Then he committed Usenet suicide.

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Sidney Lambe

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Oct 8, 2009, 1:32:56 PM10/8/09

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hummingbird wrote:
> 'Susan Bugher' wrote thus:

>> Jack D. Russell, Sr. wrote:
>>> The only effective way to deal with their particular mental maladies
>>> is to ignore them. Don't encourage them. If everyone would realize
>>> that and act accordingly they would soon be gone. Eveyone, please,
>>> think before pressing that "Send" key to reply to them.
>
>
>> IMO saying the malicious trolls "would soon be gone" if we ignore them
>> is an unwarranted conclusion. Street people preach their "message" day
>> after day despite an almost total lack of response from others.
>> Similarly, in ACF the trolls talk to themselves with sock puppets and
>> forgeries. ISTM the behavior/response of other people is irrelevant in
>> both cases.
>>
>> Susan
>

> Susan, I have no expectation that you will bother to respond to
> this because much of the current mess arose during your time as
> PWH webmaster, aided and abetted by several others ...but...
>
> It is a problem that you [PWH groupies] have brought upon
> yourselves but are too full of self-righteous arrogance to see it.
> I'm afraid that carrying out character assassination and hate
> campaigns against dissenters, as the PWH Cult do, will not silence
> them. Dissenters have a long history of going underground when
> their voice is dismissed and ignored.
>
> Contributions by non-regular-ACF idiots like Jack Russell are just
> examples of how you shut down all input channels and exacerbate
> the problems. There are too many idiots like Russell in your PWH
> ranks who exacerbate the issues, not deal with them. Lew/Slash
> is another one, so is Franklin. Even your PWH Treasurer is known
> to use occasional socks to abuse dissenters. It goes on and on...
>
> The solution today is probably the same as it always was:-

>
> For Pricelessware people to bite the bullet and admit that abusing
> ACF with endless OFF topic debates and countless threads about
> Pricelessware business affairs is wrong wrong wrong and has to
> change. You know that it's wrong because Q recently admitted that

> PWH is not really owned by the people on ACF at all. But that is
> the principle argument used by you all for years to carry out PWH
> business on ACF. And your general claim that all PWH threads are
> marked [PWH] or some other prefix simply doesn't work ...I have
> seen about 8 threads in the past few weeks about PWH/PL which
> do not have any prefix. And PWH affairs seep into other threads.
>
> IF you had taken early action when these issues were first raised
> to move PWH to its own forum, the warfare and allegations about
> PWH people selling PL ISO.CDs, sourced from Q's download server,
> would most probably never have arisen.
>
> That was set out quite well in the recent post by 'whistleblower'
> and many times previously by others. The solution is in the hands
> of PWH people, nobody else. Understand that. Ron May's false
> occasional reference to "reaching consensus" is a nonsense when
> he has anybody who disagrees with him, killfiled.
>
> Meanwhile, the name "Pricelessware" is becoming progressively
> tainted by allegations. I note that it's PWH groupies who are
> often responsible for spreading the bad name by cross-posting
> slime to other unrelated newsgroups. Your notion that dissenters
> can be shouted down is a failed one and needs dealing with.
>
> Over to you... :-)
>

What's wrong with keeping it short? Have u got an abridged version?

Jeffrey Bloss

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Oct 8, 2009, 1:47:57 PM10/8/09

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On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:13:16 +0100, hummingbird wrote:

> 'Jeffrey Bloss' wrote thus:

>
>>On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:37:35 +0100, hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> For Pricelessware people to bite the bullet and admit that abusing
>>> ACF with endless OFF topic debates and countless threads about
>>> Pricelessware business affairs is wrong wrong wrong and has to
>>> change. You know that it's wrong because Q recently admitted that
>>> PWH is not really owned by the people on ACF at all.
>>
>>Then he committed Usenet suicide.
>

> LOL. I'm still puzzled about whatever happened to Q ...

He'll show back up or they will reinvent him. One or both, the list of
Pricelessware goons that have been sent packing grows longer everyday.

Jeffrey Bloss

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Oct 8, 2009, 1:52:45 PM10/8/09

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On Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:25:58 -0400, Susan Bugher wrote:

> Ron May wrote:
>> On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:41:34 -0400, Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>
>>> IMO saying the malicious trolls "would soon be gone" if we ignore them
>>> is an unwarranted conclusion. Street people preach their "message" day
>>> after day despite an almost total lack of response from others.
>>> Similarly, in ACF the trolls talk to themselves with sock puppets and
>>> forgeries. ISTM the behavior/response of other people is irrelevant in
>>> both cases.
>
>> It's still better not to respond to the trolls. All it does is create
>> more noise, and responding to their k00kery as if it merited an answer
>> only rewards the behavior. <snip>
>
> erm. . . Talking about "how to deal with trolls" is a RESPONSE to the
> trolls' posts.

You noticed that idiocy too, good grrl. lol

> AFAICT the noise level in here DROPPED after BeAr made the post that
> started this thread => sometimes the "conventional wisdom" re dealing
> with trolls is wrong.

How would you know, you have all "trolls" killfiled you disingenuous
bitch.

> ATM there are 44 posts in this thread. *IMO* there is only ONE valuable
> post (BeAr's initial post). *IMO* the rest of the posts are noise
> (including my own posts) => EOT for me.

Don't forget to FOAD.

> Just my 2 cents worth, YMMV etc. etc.

Worth less than that.

> Susan

For a retiree from Pricelessware, you sure have a heel of a lot to do
with it, Susie.

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Flann O'Connor

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Oct 8, 2009, 2:06:44 PM10/8/09

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hummingbird pretended :
> 'Sidney Lambe' wrote thus:

>
>> hummingbird wrote:
>>> 'Susan Bugher' wrote thus:
>>>

> That is the short version. Here's the long version:
> http://qdeo.com/td5
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=herSynqVN3M

Your video is all a sham. Do you mean your post is all a sham?

KookieBird

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Oct 8, 2009, 2:59:00 PM10/8/09

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"BirdBrain" <hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:3864ce391bb72b8d...@aracari.127.0.0.1...

> Meanwhile, the name "Pricelessware" is becoming progressively
> tainted by allegations.

Only in your dreams Batty Boy

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Flann O'Connor

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Oct 8, 2009, 4:29:36 PM10/8/09

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hummingbird expressed precisely :
> 'Flann O'Connor' wrote thus:

>
>> hummingbird pretended :
>>> 'Sidney Lambe' wrote thus:
>>>

>>> That is the short version. Here's the long version:
>>> http://qdeo.com/td5
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=herSynqVN3M
>>
>> Your video is all a sham. Do you mean your post is all a sham?
>

> Wrong on both counts. 1) Steven Seagal was a black belt martial
> arts instructor in Japan for years 2) I don't partake in shams,
> that's left to the Pricelessware Cult :-)

Steven fat-elvis Seagal was in a demo. The opponents weren't trying. It
was a sham.

Say a sham is real as much as u like. It don't make it so.

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John Stubbings

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Oct 8, 2009, 11:06:45 PM10/8/09

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"KookieBird" wrote:

Cut it out k00k.

Toodles

John Stubbings

btw - anyone want cheap Pricelessware list 2008 CDs?

--
"I'm a chav made good"

Jeffrey Bloss

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Oct 9, 2009, 11:51:18 AM10/9/09

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On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:06:45 +0200, John Stubbings wrote:

> btw - anyone want cheap Pricelessware list 2008 CDs?

How much?

John Stubbins

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Oct 9, 2009, 9:37:55 PM10/9/09

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"Jeffrey Bloss" wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 05:06:45 +0200, John Stubbings wrote:
>
>> btw - anyone want cheap Pricelessware list 2008 CDs?
>
>How much?

�15. Used to be �20 until the recession came along.

Toodles
John Stubbins
Pooh the cat says "hello"

Nicodemus

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Oct 11, 2009, 3:11:01 PM10/11/09

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Susan Bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com> wrote in news:7j22k5F337lmeU1
@mid.individual.net:

> Jack D. Russell, Sr. wrote:
>

>> The people that you refer to were here when the PL 2008 project was
>> under way, and full well know that their malicious accusations are
>> unfounded and untrue.
>
> <snip>

>
>> The only effective way to deal with their particular mental maladies
>> is to ignore them. Don't encourage them. If everyone would realize
>> that and act accordingly they would soon be gone. Eveyone, please,
>> think before pressing that "Send" key to reply to them.
>

> IMO saying the malicious trolls "would soon be gone" if we ignore them
> is an unwarranted conclusion. Street people preach their "message" day
> after day despite an almost total lack of response from others.
> Similarly, in ACF the trolls talk to themselves with sock puppets and
> forgeries. ISTM the behavior/response of other people is irrelevant in
> both cases.
>

> Susan

Amen. Lady, don't scream.

http://tinyurl.com/musyfd

Jeffrey Bloss

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Oct 11, 2009, 3:23:11 PM10/11/09

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The $$$ to pound conversion sux, thx but I can buy my own stateside for
$29.95

Jeffrey Bloss

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Oct 11, 2009, 7:07:00 PM10/11/09

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"Jeffrey Bloss" <jeffre...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hatbav$ru7$1...@news.eternal-september.org...

> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 03:37:55 +0200, John Stubbins wrote:
>
>> "Jeffrey Bloss" wrote:

Srick up your arse