Paint Shop Pro 5 is now free
Unknown
The full version of PSP 5 has been included with the October edition
of PC Format Magazine in the UK. No restrictions, nags or timeouts...
a nice program.
Henk de Jong
news:accmou8g0cnq7g62b...@4ax.com:
Can you provide all the members of this NG with a link where this program
can be downloaded? If not, than it is not freeware, and off topic here.
--
Henk de Jong
The Netherlands
freewa...@hmdejongNOSPAM.myweb.nl (remove NOSPAM)
"Links to Freeware" www.hmdejong.myweb.nl/
GeoThermal
news:accmou8g0cnq7g62b...@4ax.com...
Thanks for that. Always liked PSP.
JanC
From their website:
[quote]
PC Format gives away Paint Shop Pro
An exclusive, fully working version of Paint Shop Pro 5 is being given away
free with issue 140 of PC Format.
[... snip promo speak ...]
You need to register your copy online, click here:
www.maximumpc.co.uk/paintshoppro
[/quote]
No restrictions? So what's this:
- only available to *buyers* of the magazine (costs almost 10 EUR here)
(copying & giving it away is _not_ allowed)
- you need to register (give away name, email address, maybe more?)
--
JanC
"Be strict when sending and tolerant when receiving."
RFC 1958 - Architectural Principles of the Internet - section 3.9
David_B
wrote:
>
>No restrictions? So what's this:
>- only available to *buyers* of the magazine (costs almost 10 EUR here)
It may feature as a download from the PC Format site in the future;
this has happened before. And, yes, the magazine costs; in theory, the
software's free (though I'd acknowledge that this is something of a
moot point).
> (copying & giving it away is _not_ allowed)
Not sure on this; I'll have a look at the EULA.
>- you need to register (give away name, email address, maybe more?)
A name and an email address; neither has to be real.
As a general principle on free software; IIRC, this group regularly
used to feature the freebies that were given away with magazines (PC
Plus in particular). I'd assumed the same principle would apply with
this release. Sorry if I was mistaken.
Lavish
news:m7Hi9.3575$48.3...@zwoll1.home.nl:
> "david-...@removethis.freeuk.com" <David_B> schreef in
> news:accmou8g0cnq7g62b...@4ax.com:
>
>> Just to let you know...
>>
>> The full version of PSP 5 has been included with the October edition
>> of PC Format Magazine in the UK. No restrictions, nags or timeouts...
>> a nice program.
>>
> Can you provide all the members of this NG with a link where this
> program can be downloaded? If not, than it is not freeware, and off
> topic here.
Yes please i'ld like a link to the program.
Or... if you can then please send me the Magazine (or even the CD will do)
at your cost 'cos i am not going to a penny for it. FYI i live in
India. After all you call it freeware. I call it restrictedware
If you are thinking of emailing it to me then please forget it. I have no
enthusiasm for downloading the huge file on a 33.6 dialup connection.
..
..
..
Else shut up about PSP 5 being freeware
Lavish
Alastair Smeaton
wrote:
>
>Yes please i'ld like a link to the program.
>Or... if you can then please send me the Magazine (or even the CD will do)
>at your cost 'cos i am not going to a penny for it. FYI i live in
>India. After all you call it freeware. I call it restrictedware
>If you are thinking of emailing it to me then please forget it. I have no
>enthusiasm for downloading the huge file on a 33.6 dialup connection.
>..
Maybe some fair points above, but this last point is bloody ludicrous.
The fact that you only have a 33.6 connection is your problem - or are
you going to limit your definition of freeware to something which will
be delivered to your door for free, or which will pay your isp or
online charges.
And if you think it takes less time to download thru a link on the
web, compared to downloading an email from your server, you need to
learn a litle more before you post in such aggressive terms.
Plenty of freeware is large in size - some people don't want that for
a variety of reasons (we call these small programmes "boomer-sized" )
:-)
>..
>Else shut up about PSP 5 being freeware
While I agree it is not freeware, my guess would be that some people
will be nterested in this news - especially as it may well be
available for general download (without buying the disk) at some stage
soon.
No need for your tone at all, IMO
>
>Lavish
Alastair Smeaton
Henk de Jong
news:2okmoukg2ij3pj83m...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:43:34 GMT, JanC <usene...@janc.invalid>
> wrote:
> It may feature as a download from the PC Format site in the future;
> this has happened before.
I'm sorry to say this but PCFormat cancelled their downloadsection a few
months ago.....
With kind regards,
JanC
> And if you think it takes less time to download thru a link on the
> web, compared to downloading an email from your server, you need to
> learn a litle more before you post in such aggressive terms.
The MIME-Base64 or UUencode used for mailing binaries adds about 40% to the
size, so downloading from the web is significantly faster than downloading
it as a mail...
point blank
bur...@removethis.freeuk.com" <David_B> says...
copy later this evening.
Alastair Smeaton
wrote:
>Alastair Smeaton <aopl8...@dsl.pipex.com> schreef:
>
>> And if you think it takes less time to download thru a link on the
>> web, compared to downloading an email from your server, you need to
>> learn a litle more before you post in such aggressive terms.
>
>The MIME-Base64 or UUencode used for mailing binaries adds about 40% to the
>size, so downloading from the web is significantly faster than downloading
>it as a mail...
Good point - new to me - thanks.
Even so - both would still take a while at 33.6 - I just felt the
poster I replied to was asking a bit much
cheers
Alastair Smeaton
Snapper
news:m7Hi9.3575$48.3...@zwoll1.home.nl...
> "david-...@removethis.freeuk.com" <David_B> schreef in
> news:accmou8g0cnq7g62b...@4ax.com:
>
> > Just to let you know...
> >
> > The full version of PSP 5 has been included with the October edition
> > of PC Format Magazine in the UK. No restrictions, nags or timeouts...
> > a nice program.
> >
> >
>
> Can you provide all the members of this NG with a link where this program
> can be downloaded? If not, than it is not freeware, and off topic here.
If you had a brain in your empty head, instead of whinging you could enter:
psp5.zip
into www.google.com which would give you several promising looking download
URLs, including:
http://www.ibet-internet.fh-kiel.de/html-kurs/software/freeware/grafik/paint
_shop_pro/
Now, I haven't downloaded it myself, so if it's not an English version don't
blame me. But if I wanted the program I'd certainly consider it worth taking
a chance on the download.
Snapper
Jim Allison
>
> If you had a brain in your empty head, instead of whinging you could
> enter:
> psp5.zip
> into www.google.com which would give you several promising looking
> download URLs, including:
>
http://www.ibet-internet.fh-kiel.de/html-kurs/software/freeware/grafik/p
aint
> _shop_pro/
> Now, I haven't downloaded it myself, so if it's not an English
> version don't blame me. But if I wanted the program I'd certainly
> consider it worth taking a chance on the download.
Yep, it's German. The two English links that worked were
cracked...we're into Warez territory.
--
Jim Allison
Usable Freeware - www.usablefreeware.com
John Picken
sites. Upon investigating a couple of them, I discovered them to be "cracked" or
otherwise illegal copies (key generators, etc.)
jkp
Snapper
news:1108_10...@news.telus.net...
> The link was a 404 but the same Google search found it on a couple of
other
> sites. Upon investigating a couple of them, I discovered them to be
"cracked" or
> otherwise illegal copies (key generators, etc.)
I thought it was suppose to be freeware now?
Snapper
PB
Yes, it is. And as such, there is no longer any "cracked" versions of PSP5 anymore,
since its status is no longer a commercial app.
John Corliss
Great. Do you have a download link for the program where it is listed as
being free? All I see on Jasc's page:
http://www.jasc.com/download_4.asp?
is version 3 listed as being a free download available for *everybody*. I
have version 4 on my computer and would like to upgrade to 5 for free.
--
Regards from John Corliss
People (eg. Andy Mabbett) whose messages to alt.comp.freeware I am
filtering out and cannot see:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/Killfile/killfile.html
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
My "favorite freeware" page:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/freeware.htm
John Corliss
I have version 4 on my computer and would like to upgrade to 5. Do you have a link?
PB
Version 5 has only just been made freeware. As such, no download links are yet available.
Why not wait a week or two for some mirrors to get going, eh?
PB
It asks for an E-Mail address and name which *ISN'T* verified after submission... it just
loads a new web page stating: "The password for Paintshop Pro 5 is futurepsppromo." So
it's hardly a "register" issue to be scared of... in fact, it doesn't even send any mail
to the address you specify.
Danin
wrote...
| I thought it was suppose to be freeware now?
Perhaps. But I suspect this is a special licensed version, as they
have distributed in the past PSP versions. I.e., some features are
missing, such as .gif and .tif compression, for which royalties are
due to Unisys. There may be other restrictions as to distribution in
the licensed version, which may require a thorough read of the license
agreement.
- return address is altered slightly to reduce spam.
point blank
Got the magazine and installed psp5. Great program.
It is the full package, with tutorials etc included. PC Format magazine
has put it on the CD as a password protected self-extracting zip file.
You need to look up their web site, which asks for your name and e-mail
address, to get the password. There is also a box you can check or
uncheck depending on whether you want information about special offers
etc. That's all.
When you get the password for the zip file, it extracts to your windows
temp directory (all 193mb of it) and from there you run the psp install
program. A minimum psp install actually only takes up about 10mb. Then
you delete the stuff in the temp directory and you're ready to go.
The program itself does not require any type of password to install or
run.
I guess PC Format magazine has done this so they can contact users with
special offers etc - but you can decline these by unchecking the box on
the web site. The password does not appear to have anything to do with
psp.
OK, you have to pay for the magazine but if you are using dial-up
connection it seems, to me at least, an easier option than a
lengthy download.
Sietse Fliege
> OK, you have to pay for the magazine but if you are using dial-up
> connection it seems, to me at least, an easier option than a
> lengthy download.
You cannot download this version, only buy it with the magazine.
It is off-topic.
--
Cheers,
Sietse Fliege
Sietse Fliege
> OK, you have to pay for the magazine but if you are using dial-up
> connection it seems, to me at least, an easier option than a
> lengthy download.
You *cannot download* this version, only *buy* it with the magazine.
It is therefor not freeware and off-topic.
--
Cheers,
Sietse Fliege
Blinky the Shark
Datapoint: I bought and have retail PSP 5, and it has .gif and .tif.
Here's a starting place for comparison.
--
Blinky
Sietse Fliege
>> I have version 4 on my computer and would like to upgrade to 5. Do
>> you have a link?
>
> Version 5 has only just been made freeware.
No.
> As such, no download
> links are yet available. Why not wait a week or two for some mirrors
> to get going, eh?
You can wait a year and then version 5 still will not be freeware.
--
Regards,
Sietse Fliege
Mike Echo
Why do we have to spend so much time and effort arguing about the
definiton of freeware? If people didn't jump in with "that's off topic"
messages then the thread would be small instead of ballooning into a
"yes it is no it isn't" kind of thing.
Sheesh.
Tiger
news:MPG.17f6a8f77...@news.alphalink.com.au:
No it wouldn't. :/
--
Tiger
*Remove yourclothes. to reply via email
Sietse Fliege
Mike, I shall restore the message that you replied to :
>Sietse Fliege wrote:
You see, the thing is : point blank told a lie, because :
you do not have the choice between downloading the freeware version or
buying it with the magazine, as you cannot download it.
This is crucial!
If you could download the freeware version, the magazine version would
not be off topic.
My point was : do not lie about it.
Having made that point I could not be silent about the second point :
(As you cannot download it, only buy it with the magazine) :
Paint Shop Pro therefore is not freeware and off topic.
I agree, these threads could be very short, indeed non existent.
People only have to stay on topic.
Certainly, if they lie, they should be corrected, don't you think?
--
Regards,
Sietse Fliege
Blinky the Shark
Mike Echo wrote:
1) No, it wouldn't.
2) If unchallenged, non-freeware would become the norm, and this would
be alt.comp.whatever-kind-of-ware. Silence is not golden; silence is
losing.
--
Blinky
Mike Echo
REPLACE.inv...@sf.slownet.invalid says...
> Mike, I shall restore the message that you replied to :
I just happened to choose follow up on your particular message in order
to make a general point. I was not meaning to do any "creative editing"
of your post, just trying to give an overall observation/opinion. I
meant no offence, believe me.
> You see, the thing is : point blank told a lie, because :
Maybe he made an honest error? There is a difference between lying and
making a mistake unintentionally.
> Having made that point I could not be silent about the second point :
> (As you cannot download it, only buy it with the magazine) :
> Paint Shop Pro therefore is not freeware and off topic.
Yes, but I'm sure a lot of people would gladly buy the magazine in order
to get their "free" software. If the OP had said that PSP was available
in a magazine but did not mention the word "freeware" then none of this
would have happened. One small word makes a big difference, huh? :-)
> I agree, these threads could be very short, indeed non existent.
> People only have to stay on topic.
Yep, it would be nice if they did.
> Certainly, if they lie, they should be corrected, don't you think?
I just think we should be a bit more forgiving of people unless they
deliberately set out to mislead others.
<lurk mode on>
Blinky the Shark
> Yes, but I'm sure a lot of people would gladly buy the magazine in
> order to get their "free" software. If the OP had said that PSP was
> available in a magazine but did not mention the word "freeware" then
> none of this would have happened. One small word makes a big
> difference, huh? :-)
No, it doesn't. Think, Mike. Think. As
CDware-not-also-available-for-download, it isn't freeware, and your
little scheme no more excuses this than if one tried to sell MS Word in
here *by simply not saying "freeware"*, as you are suggesting. Not
*saying* "freeware" doesn't change that fact at all -- it's still
nonfreeware in a freeware group.
--
Blinky
Blinky the Shark
> "Sietse Fliege" <REPLACE.inv...@sf.slownet.invalid> wrote in
> news:amgom8$405$1...@ncc1701.cistron.net:
>
>> You cannot download this version, only buy it with the magazine. It
>> is off-topic.
>
> But not all off topic posts are valueless.
True -- here is content that has value: If you want to see what the
weather's going to be tomorrow, you can listen to the radio or
television, for something called a "forecast".
But it still does not belong here.
--
Blinky
GeoThermal
news:accmou8g0cnq7g62b...@4ax.com...
> Just to let you know...
>
> The full version of PSP 5 has been included with the October edition
> of PC Format Magazine in the UK. No restrictions, nags or timeouts...
> a nice program.
Boy this has stirred up a right can of worms! :-)
Anyway I was glad of the post and am off to get the magazine however I
emailed JASC and asked if they intend to make it available as a download.
Will let you all know what they say.
rhexis
news:Xns929069B5...@130.133.1.4...
> > Can you provide all the members of this NG with a link where this
> > program can be downloaded? If not, than it is not freeware, and off
> > topic here.
>
> So as soon as soon as I'd uploaded it to an ftp site and posted the
> details it would be freeware? Are you sure that's the definition you
> want to stick with Henk?
If the EULA allows for unhindered distribution, yes.
--
rhexis
Simon Whitaker
news:accmou8g0cnq7g62b...@4ax.com:
> Just to let you know...
>
> The full version of PSP 5 has been included with the October edition
> of PC Format Magazine in the UK. No restrictions, nags or timeouts...
> a nice program.
Thank you, your post is very much appreciated.
David_B
"It's good to have feedback" is a catch-phrase in my line of work...
but hopefully I can put this one to bed.
Firstly, back to what I said.
Mike Echo said;
> If the OP had said that PSP was available in a magazine but did not mention the word "freeware" then none of this would have happened.
Sorry Mike, because your response was generally supportive, but I
didn't mention the word. I said it was free, not freeware, and the
distinction was deliberately made.
Secondly, my reasons for posting:
As I said in a previous post, other free, ex-commercial programs have
featured quite heavily here in the past - though I now realise that
these were probably downloadable from the PC Plus site. A couple of
years ago, I posted a heads-up to a CD-based special version of PSP 4
here without reaction.
And more recently I've seen, for instance, Poser 3 and Maya LE flagged
up - Poser available on CD only, and Maya LE a huge download and
crippled almost beyond use. Maya got some response, but Poser got by
unchallenged, as far as I remember.
That's why I posted the news here. I acknowledge now that this was a
mistake, and I apologise; but I don't think the post deserved the flak
it got.
< retires to wound-licking mode >
REMbr...@inu.net
>No, it doesn't. Think, Mike. Think. As
>CDware-not-also-available-for-download, it isn't freeware, and your
>little scheme no more excuses this than if one tried to sell MS Word in
>here *by simply not saying "freeware"*, as you are suggesting. Not
>*saying* "freeware" doesn't change that fact at all -- it's still
>nonfreeware in a freeware group.
But you actually bought the retail version. Others bought a magazine
and got the great program to boot.
These are somehow the same?
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> That's why I posted the news here. I acknowledge now that this was a
> mistake,
I'm not sure it was. I care less about the technical definitions
(plural intended) of freeware than about the usefulness of a
post. To some, at least, the magazine offer will in fact amount
to freeware.
--
Paul Batchie
REMbr...@inu.net
>I'm not sure it was. I care less about the technical definitions
>(plural intended) of freeware than about the usefulness of a
>post. To some, at least, the magazine offer will in fact amount
>to freeware.
And possibly prod other magazines to do the same in other countries.
The post had merit. A free copy of PSP is one of the last things I
would have guessed. We were informed, even if the information
irritated some. That's the breaks.
Vic Dura
free Alastair Smeaton <aopl8...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>>Yes please i'ld like a link to the program.
>>Or... if you can then please send me the Magazine (or even the CD will do)
>>at your cost 'cos i am not going to a penny for it. FYI i live in
>>India. After all you call it freeware. I call it restrictedware
>>If you are thinking of emailing it to me then please forget it. I have no
>>enthusiasm for downloading the huge file on a 33.6 dialup connection.
>>..
>
>Maybe some fair points above, but this last point is bloody ludicrous.
>The fact that you only have a 33.6 connection is your problem - or are
>you going to limit your definition of freeware to something which will
>be delivered to your door for free, or which will pay your isp or
>online charges.
That seems to be the be what he is saying. Only it's not his
definition of freeware that he wants to limit, it *our* definition
that he wants to limit; hence his objection to its mention.
He doesn't want to us to ignore it because it doesn't fit our needs.
He wants us to ignore it because it doesn't fit his needs.
A typical overbearing, self-rightous, zealot attitude.
--
Performing Arts in the Shoals Area
Shoals Symphony Orchestra: http://www.ShoalsSymphony.org/
Opera South: http://www.OperaSouth.org/
John Corliss
> Sietse Fliege wrote:
>
> > You can wait a year and then version 5 still will not be freeware.
>
> But it may well be downloadable from one of the Futurenet websites, most
> likely http://www.netmag.co.uk where they already have some old cover
> gifts. Mind you some cover gifts have never been uploaded like
> Macromedia Dreamweaver 1.0 which was give aways with netmag believe it
> or not.
A more direct link is:
http://www.netmag.co.uk/downloads/
Thanks for the tip! Looks like some good stuff there.
Harvey V
> 168689921 wrote:
>> "Sietse Fliege" <REPLACE.inv...@sf.slownet.invalid>
>> wrote in news:amgom8$405$1...@ncc1701.cistron.net:
>>> You cannot download this version, only buy it with the magazine.
>>> It is off-topic.
>> But not all off topic posts are valueless.
-snip-
> But it still does not belong here.
Is this not why the header thingie [OT] was invented?
--
Cheers,
Harvey
John Corliss
> Henk de Jong wrote:
>
> > Can you provide all the members of this NG with a link where this
> > program can be downloaded? If not, than it is not freeware, and off
> > topic here.
>
> So as soon as soon as I'd uploaded it to an ftp site and posted the
> details it would be freeware? Are you sure that's the definition you
> want to stick with Henk?
CDWare is only freeware if you can either dowload it as such on the
internet or contact the magazine (via email) and have them send you the
CD, no shipping and handling charges. Otherwise and in spite of the
magazine saying that the CD is "free", it costs money and is not
available to everybody. These two factors mean that the CDWare would not
be freeware.
"CDWare - this is software that is included on CDs that come with
magazines. If the software is freeware that is freely downloadable from
the internet, then it is okay to recommend it as a solution to a software
need. A link to the download site should be provided when recommending it
as a software solution. If there is no download site available, then it
should not be recommended as a solution to a software need in
alt.comp.freeware for two reasons: first, you MUST purchase the magazine
to obtain the CD. Secondly, such software on most "free" CDs usually may
not be freely distributed according to the EULA (end user licensing
agreement.)"
John Corliss
Paul, the group has voted on this exact issue and the following is the
majority opinion:
"CDWare - this is software that is included on CDs that come with
magazines. If the software is freeware that is freely downloadable from
the internet, then it is okay to recommend it as a solution to a software
need. A link to the download site should be provided when recommending it
as a software solution. If there is no download site available, then it
should not be recommended as a solution to a software need in
alt.comp.freeware for two reasons: first, you MUST purchase the magazine
to obtain the CD. Secondly, such software on most "free" CDs usually may
not be freely distributed according to the EULA (end user licensing
agreement.)"
Allowing the dillution of the definition of freeware does this group a
disservice by cluttering it up with off topic threads. If this process is
allowed to go unchecked, eventually the group will become like what I have
seen other groups turn into: totally nothing about freeware in it.
Some people can't seem to grasp this notion and object to "being told
what to say or do", but they are missing the point. Being as this is an
unmoderated group, it is up to the regulars to do what they can to make
sure the group stays on-topic.
Tiger
>
>>No, it doesn't. Think, Mike. Think. As
>>CDware-not-also-available-for-download, it isn't freeware, and
>>your little scheme no more excuses this than if one tried to sell
>>MS Word in here *by simply not saying "freeware"*, as you are
>>suggesting. Not *saying* "freeware" doesn't change that fact at
>>all -- it's still nonfreeware in a freeware group.
>
> But you actually bought the retail version. Others bought a
> magazine and got the great program to boot.
>
> These are somehow the same?
>
As I said, some people are too stupid to be allowed internet access.
Oh and btw...
USA! USA! USA!
Mike Echo
bur...@removethis.freeuk.com says...
> Mike Echo said;
>
> > If the OP had said that PSP was available in a magazine but did not
> > mention the word "freeware" then none of this would have happened.
> Sorry Mike, because your response was generally supportive, but I
> didn't mention the word. I said it was free, not freeware, and the
> distinction was deliberately made.
My apologies. I didn't see the original post and incorrectly assumed
you must have used the word seeing as how so many people have their
undies in knots. :-)
> That's why I posted the news here. I acknowledge now that this was a
> mistake, and I apologise; but I don't think the post deserved the flak
> it got.
I really don't think you did any long-term harm. ;-)
As 168689921 put it so succinctly (I wish I had thought of this):
> But not all off topic posts are valueless.
I never did suggest the prog was freeware and agree that quite a few
people might get some value from your post.
John Corliss
> Blinky the Shark wrote:
> > 168689921 wrote:
> >> Sietse Fliege wrote:
> >>> You cannot download this version, only buy it with the magazine.
> >>> It is off-topic.
>
> >> But not all off topic posts are valueless.
> -snip-
> > But it still does not belong here.
>
> Is this not why the header thingie [OT] was invented?
Yes, but it applies mostly to non-software discussion (which should be
minimized in any event.)
Mike Echo
says...
> > Yes, but I'm sure a lot of people would gladly buy the magazine in
> > order to get their "free" software. If the OP had said that PSP was
> > available in a magazine but did not mention the word "freeware" then
> > none of this would have happened. One small word makes a big
> > difference, huh? :-)
>
> No, it doesn't. Think, Mike. Think.
I'll try. It's a new concept for me. :-)
> As CDware-not-also-available-for-download, it isn't freeware,
I never said it was freeware. I agree it isn't but just think many
people here go overboard in policing OT posts, especially if the OP was
only trying to help.
> and your
> little scheme no more excuses this than if one tried to sell MS Word in
> here *by simply not saying "freeware"*, as you are suggesting. Not
> *saying* "freeware" doesn't change that fact at all -- it's still
> nonfreeware in a freeware group.
Lighten up, Blinky. I'm sure there are more important things to worry
about. ;-)
Henk de Jong
news:Xns92906A6D...@130.133.1.4:
> "Sietse Fliege" <REPLACE.inv...@sf.slownet.invalid> wrote in
> news:amgsph$ad8$1...@ncc1701.cistron.net:
>
>> You can wait a year and then version 5 still will not be freeware.
>
> But it may well be downloadable from one of the Futurenet websites, most
> likely http://www.netmag.co.uk where they already have some old cover
> gifts. Mind you some cover gifts have never been uploaded like
> Macromedia Dreamweaver 1.0 which was give aways with netmag believe it
> or not.
>
Can you please direct me to the download link of Dreamweaver? I need that
thing very bad......
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Andy Mabbett
<jcor...@ccountry.net> writes
>Paul, the group has voted on this exact issue and the following is the
>majority opinion:
Though you may wish - and, indeed, should feel free - to disregard that
"vote", since it was conducted not by a neutral third party, but by
someone with a very partisan interest, and with no verification of
"voters" identity. In summary: it was a joke.
>"CDWare - this is software that is included on CDs that come with
>magazines. If the software is freeware that is freely downloadable from
>the internet, then it is okay to recommend it as a solution to a
>software need. A link to the download site should be provided when
>recommending it as a software solution. If there is no download site
>available, then it should not be recommended as a solution to a
>software need in alt.comp.freeware for two reasons: first, you MUST
>purchase the magazine to obtain the CD. Secondly, such software on most
>"free" CDs usually may not be freely distributed according to the EULA
>(end user licensing agreement.)"
There is, of course, a fatal flaw in that statement. It isn't true, as
has been explained to Corliss previously.
>Allowing the dillution of the definition of freeware does this group a
>disservice by cluttering it up with off topic threads. If this process
>is allowed to go unchecked, eventually the group will become like what
>I have seen other groups turn into: totally nothing about freeware in it.
So, Corliss thinks we should avoid off- topic threads. Except wen
they're about him, his drinking, his finds' holidays and his guns and
bike, of course.
> Some people can't seem to grasp this notion and object to "being
>told what to say or do", but they are missing the point. Being as this
>is an unmoderated group, it is up to the regulars to do what they can
>to make sure the group stays on-topic.
"End of Usenet Predicted; film at eleven".
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Andy Mabbett
<jcor...@ccountry.net> writes
>Yes, but it applies mostly to non-software discussion (which should be
>minimized in any event.)
Oh, look, everybody! Corliss has just given birth to a new rule!
Should we send cards? Smoke cigars?
I trust that mother and baby are well.
BTW, could someone direct me to details of the vote on this one, I seem
to have missed, it. Thanks.
REMbr...@inu.net
>>>No, it doesn't. Think, Mike. Think. As
>>>CDware-not-also-available-for-download, it isn't freeware, and
>>>your little scheme no more excuses this than if one tried to sell
>>>MS Word in here *by simply not saying "freeware"*, as you are
>>>suggesting. Not *saying* "freeware" doesn't change that fact at
>>>all -- it's still nonfreeware in a freeware group.
>> But you actually bought the retail version. Others bought a
>> magazine and got the great program to boot.
>> These are somehow the same?
>As I said, some people are too stupid to be allowed internet access.
Him, me or you?
I can see the difference. He paid a large number of bucks for the exact
program that was given away with a magazine. Note the OP's subject.
He simply said the program is now free.
Gabriele Neukam
> loads a new web page stating: "The password for Paintshop Pro 5 is futurepsppromo." So
> it's hardly a "register" issue to be scared of
(sigh) I wish it would work with "my" version. a little more than a year
ago, the German magazine PC Welt put PSP 5.03 onto its cover CD, and
directed the readers to a site I have never heard of (and never heard of
again). I didn't want to hand my personal data to a company I don't know,
so no go.
Is there already a term for "free" software which you can only install by
"paying" someone with your personal data? Something like
"investigateware"?
Gabriele Neukam
--
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Lavish
news:khmmouofafibsjigv...@4ax.com:
> On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 16:43:08 +0000 (UTC), Lavish <roh...@vsnl.comic>
> wrote:
>>Yes please i'ld like a link to the program.
>>Or... if you can then please send me the Magazine (or even the CD will
>>do) at your cost 'cos i am not going to a penny for it. FYI i live in
>>India. After all you call it freeware. I call it restrictedware
>>If you are thinking of emailing it to me then please forget it. I have
>>no enthusiasm for downloading the huge file on a 33.6 dialup
>>connection. ..
>
> Maybe some fair points above, but this last point is bloody ludicrous.
> The fact that you only have a 33.6 connection is your problem - or are
> you going to limit your definition of freeware to something which will
> be delivered to your door for free, or which will pay your isp or
> online charges.
Now if you are going to include the ISP time and money then nothing in this
world is free. The people in this group need to keep in mind that it is
global group and not restricted to USA, UK or some other developed country.
And not all of us have it so easy. Pardon for going off topic - but in USA
a full vesion of MS XP costs about $80 and the same balooney thing costs in
India Rs. 10,000/- that is approximately one month salary of an average
Indian. So a freeware (as defined by the ACF norms) goes a long way in
promoting computer knowledge in Less Developed Countries. As such it always
pains me when people try to hijack the definition of freeware.
> And if you think it takes less time to download thru a link on the
> web, compared to downloading an email from your server, you need to
> learn a litle more before you post in such aggressive terms.
The reasons for prefering a link are as follows:
1. At least through the link i can use a Download manager and not increase
my ontime.
2. Indian Government regulations restrict domestic ISP's to provide
mailboxes of sizes more than 5MB. That means the PSP 5 (or similar large
programs) in my mail will crash my mailbox and i will have to run ti my ISP
to get it reactivated.
3. Refer to JanC's post.
> Plenty of freeware is large in size - some people don't want that for
> a variety of reasons (we call these small programmes "boomer-sized" )
>:-)
I agree and i have been a happy user of boomer sized programs for a long
time. I dont have anything against large sized but us poor world cousins
prefer small software and/or it is simpler to contact the friendly
neighbourhood software man and increase piracy
>>Else shut up about PSP 5 being freeware
> While I agree it is not freeware, my guess would be that some people
> will be nterested in this news - especially as it may well be
> available for general download (without buying the disk) at some stage
> soon.
I'ld like that evry much. Thank You
Regards
Lavish
Paul Batchie
Thanks, John. I'm far from convinced that such a narrow approach
best serves the greatest number of people. As you say, the group
is unmoderated. As such, there is no definite authority and my
feeling is that wider latitude should be allowed than in a
moderated forum that wishes to be more strict.
If I were in the market for PSP, I would have been very happy to
see the announcement, and I can't think of a better group for
such things.
--
Paul Batchie
Snapper
news:1094046.j...@blinkynews.invalid...
> Mike Echo wrote:
>
> > Yes, but I'm sure a lot of people would gladly buy the magazine in
> > order to get their "free" software. If the OP had said that PSP was
> > available in a magazine but did not mention the word "freeware" then
> > none of this would have happened. One small word makes a big
> > difference, huh? :-)
>
> No, it doesn't. Think, Mike. Think.
I suggest you take your own advice, Binky-Winky -- if indeed you're capable
of sequential thought. Mindless, narrrow pedants like you invariably focus
their myopic gaze on whatever happens to be immediately under their nose and
completely fail to take in the wider picture.
This group is called alt.comp.freeware, and the news that Paint Shop Pro 5
is being distributed free on a magazine cover CD is obviously of great
interest to many of the participants in this thread - not least the
FAQ-thumping John Corliss, who's straining at the bit to get his hands on
the program. The fact that it may not be immediately available for download
is neither here nor there: the point is that there's every reason to expect
that will be in the near future. This is *exactly* the sort of news that
members of this newsgroup are interested in. Thanks to David Burgess's
heads-up, they can keep an eye out for the program.
And, of course, many of us in the UK are grateful for this information as we
consider PSP5 for the price of a pint of beer as near to freeware as makes
no difference.
It's tempting to speculate that you chose to name yourself after a shark
because that species has scarcely evolved at all since the Miocene era some
15 million years ago. Unfortunately for you, the internet, and the Usenet in
particular, is no place for inflexible, narrow-minded dinosaurs who cling
desperately to the past and resist every kind of change.
People here currently want to know about all aspects of freeware - including
news of those programs that are newly being offered free by magazines. If
that doesn't suit you and your fellow dinosaurs, then I suggest you retract
your reptilian heads back beneath the surface of the primal swamp and make
way for the rest of us.
Snapper
Snapper
news:3D8C830B...@ccountry.net...
> Paul Batchie wrote:
> Paul, the group has voted on this exact issue and the following is the
> majority opinion:
>
> "CDWare - this is software that is included on CDs that come with
> magazines. If the software is freeware that is freely downloadable from
> the internet, then it is okay to recommend it as a solution to a software
> need. A link to the download site should be provided when recommending it
> as a software solution. If there is no download site available, then it
> should not be recommended as a solution to a software need in
> alt.comp.freeware for two reasons: first, you MUST purchase the magazine
> to obtain the CD. Secondly, such software on most "free" CDs usually may
> not be freely distributed according to the EULA (end user licensing
> agreement.)"
>
> Allowing the dillution of the definition of freeware does this group a
> disservice by cluttering it up with off topic threads. If this process is
> allowed to go unchecked, eventually the group will become like what I have
> seen other groups turn into: totally nothing about freeware in it.
> Some people can't seem to grasp this notion and object to "being told
> what to say or do", but they are missing the point. Being as this is an
> unmoderated group, it is up to the regulars to do what they can to make
> sure the group stays on-topic.
John Corliss <jcor...@ccountry.net> wrote in message
news:3D8BA25B...@ccountry.net...
> I have version 4 [of Paint Shop Pro] on my computer and would like to
upgrade to 5. Do you have a link?
>
> --
> Regards from John Corliss
So although the post is deemed "off-topic" by the FAQ-thumping Corliss, he
loses no time in using the information it contained to attempt to bag the
program for himself.
What a ludicrous hypocrite!
Snapper
Snapper
Henk de Jong <freewa...@hmdejongNOSPAM.myweb.nl> wrote in message
news:XX%i9.8873$48.10...@zwoll1.home.nl...
> 168689921 <1686...@pager.icq.com> schreef in
> news:Xns92906A6D...@130.133.1.4:
>
> > "Sietse Fliege" <REPLACE.inv...@sf.slownet.invalid> wrote in
> > news:amgsph$ad8$1...@ncc1701.cistron.net:
> >
> >> You can wait a year and then version 5 still will not be freeware.
> >
> > But it may well be downloadable from one of the Futurenet websites, most
> > likely http://www.netmag.co.uk where they already have some old cover
> > gifts. Mind you some cover gifts have never been uploaded like
> > Macromedia Dreamweaver 1.0 which was give aways with netmag believe it
> > or not.
> >
>
> Can you please direct me to the download link of Dreamweaver? I need that
> thing very bad......
READ the post, you moron!
Snapper
Snapper
Andy Mabbett <an...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote in message
news:8UTzNeKR...@pigsonthewing.org.uk...
> So, Corliss thinks we should avoid off- topic threads. Except when
> they're about him, his drinking, his friends' holidays and his guns and
> bike, of course.
ROFL (although I suspect the apostrophe in "friends'" is misplaced). ;-)
Snapper
Snapper
David_B <david-...@removethis.freeuk.com> wrote in message
> That's why I posted the news here. I acknowledge now that this was a
> mistake, and I apologise;
> < retires to wound-licking mode >
Don't be such a grovelling wimp.
Many people found your post most valuable.
Snapper
Andy Mabbett
Neukam <Gabriel...@t-online.de> writes
>Is there already a term for "free" software which you can only install
>by "paying" someone with your personal data? Something like
>"investigateware"?
"Paranoiaware" ?
Paragon
rattle their jealousies over U.S. taking the moral lead. Too bad such an
Amnesty International wasn't in place when U.K. might was murdering all
their
colonials in India, Ireland, Scotland, Singapore, Aussieland, Zedderland,
southern Africa, etc etc etc etc
====================================================
> International Law by obtaining war crime impunity agreements:
> <http://web.amnesty.org/web/icc_petition.nsf/action_english>
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Tiger
news:hd3j9.540513$UU1.88858@sccrnsc03:
> Just LOVE your tag line .. so that lurkers from two-bit has-been
> nations can rattle their jealousies over U.S. taking the moral
> lead. Too bad such an Amnesty International wasn't in place when
> U.K. might was murdering all their
> colonials in India, Ireland, Scotland, Singapore, Aussieland,
> Zedderland, southern Africa, etc etc etc etc
Mabbett has mental/emotional issues. Best to ignore him.
John Picken
> Just LOVE your tag line .. so that lurkers from two-bit has-been nations can
> rattle their jealousies over U.S. taking the moral lead. Too bad such an
> Amnesty International wasn't in place when U.K. might was murdering all
> their
> colonials in India, Ireland, Scotland, Singapore, Aussieland, Zedderland,
> southern Africa, etc etc etc etc
Your knowledge of history is severely lacking. The U.K. did not murder
colonials. Some colonials, and American ex-colonials, did however, murder
aboriginal people.
jkp
Blinky the Shark
>
>>No, it doesn't. Think, Mike. Think. As
>>CDware-not-also-available-for-download, it isn't freeware, and your
>>little scheme no more excuses this than if one tried to sell MS Word
>>in
>>here *by simply not saying "freeware"*, as you are suggesting. Not
>>*saying* "freeware" doesn't change that fact at all -- it's still
>>nonfreeware in a freeware group.
>
> But you actually bought the retail version. Others bought a magazine
> and got the great program to boot.
> These are somehow the same?
Your point, if you have one, is unclear.
--
Blinky
Blinky the Shark
> On Sat, 21 Sep 2002 09:52:02 GMT, Blinky the Shark wrote
>> But it still does not belong here.
> Is this not why the header thingie [OT] was invented?
No, this is why "on topic" was invented.
Shall we begin having half of the threads in here about which is
better, soccer or basketball, too? Why not, by your thinking? After
all, you can always filter on "[OT]". We have to think a little
further than the end of our noses on this kind of stuff. Stuff doesn't
go away because you ignore it, and it doesn't belong just because
*you're* willing to ignore it.
--
Blinky
Blinky the Shark
> It's tempting to speculate that you chose to name yourself after a
Tempting, perhaps, but typically wrong. (Actually, the source of the
nick's explained on my site.)
> People here currently want to know about all aspects of freeware -
> including news of those programs that are newly being offered free by
> magazines. If that doesn't suit you and your fellow dinosaurs, then I
> suggest you retract your reptilian heads back beneath the surface of
> the primal swamp and make way for the rest of us.
Don't bet on it.
--
Blinky
Blinky the Shark
Your suspicion is undoubtedly misplaced. I believe the reference is to
the holidays of John and "other Americans", which would, indeed,
require the possessive of the plural. Mabbett may be a head case, but
he's generally a technically good writer. Kinda like you.
(The holidays reference probably is to the time a Canadian - not even
one of the Dreaded Americans - expressed an American holiday greeting
in the group.)
--
Blinky
Blinky the Shark
> In article <1094046.j...@blinkynews.invalid>,
> no....@box.invalid says...
>
>> > Yes, but I'm sure a lot of people would gladly buy the magazine in
>> > order to get their "free" software. If the OP had said that PSP was
>> > available in a magazine but did not mention the word "freeware"
>> > then none of this would have happened. One small word makes a big
>> > difference, huh? :-)
>>
>> No, it doesn't. Think, Mike. Think.
>
> I'll try. It's a new concept for me. :-)
>
>> As CDware-not-also-available-for-download, it isn't freeware,
>
> I never said it was freeware. I agree it isn't but just think many
> people here go overboard in policing OT posts, especially if the OP
> was only trying to help.
Amazon has some very good deals on books, right now.
That's helpful. Is it on topic?
>> and your
>> little scheme no more excuses this than if one tried to sell MS Word
>> in
>> here *by simply not saying "freeware"*, as you are suggesting. Not
>> *saying* "freeware" doesn't change that fact at all -- it's still
>> nonfreeware in a freeware group.
>
> Lighten up, Blinky. I'm sure there are more important things to worry
> about. ;-)
I shan't, and I'll concern myself with other issues, as well. I'm not
a one-track railroad. I care about the group, and I don't wish to see
it become alt.comp.software. There's already an alt.comp.shareware --
we don't need another one here.
--
Blinky
Jim Allison
>
> This group is called alt.comp.freeware, and the news that Paint Shop
> Pro 5 is being distributed free on a magazine cover CD is obviously
Micro$oft is giving Office away for free, too -- you just have to buy
the CD it comes on for several hundred dollars and agree to the EULA
that says you can't distribute it.
--
Jim Allison
Usable Freeware - www.usablefreeware.com
Vic Dura
free Andy Mabbett <an...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:
>>Paul, the group has voted on this exact issue and the following is the
>>majority opinion:
>
>Though you may wish - and, indeed, should feel free - to disregard that
>"vote", since it was conducted not by a neutral third party, but by
>someone with a very partisan interest, and with no verification of
>"voters" identity. In summary: it was a joke.
And the vote is nearly two years old. We've had a substantial turnover
in participants since them. Even if the vote wasn't a joke, it's
outdated. I guess that's why some have suggested a new vote.
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Blinky the Shark
> So although the post is deemed "off-topic" by the FAQ-thumping
> Corliss, he loses no time in using the information it contained to
> attempt to bag the program for himself.
The natural place for a $100 bill isn't lying under a table at a diner.
I know that, and - one would hope - you know that. But I'd not fault
either of us for picking it up if we found it there, even if one of us
*had* just observed, "Y'know, the floor of a diner really isn't the
best place for one to keep his $100 bills."
--
Blinky
Blinky the Shark
> I never did suggest the prog was freeware and agree that quite a few
> people might get some value from your post.
But you posted it to a freeware group, didn't you?
--
Blinky
Blinky the Shark
> He doesn't want to us to ignore it because it doesn't fit our needs.
> He wants us to ignore it because it doesn't fit his needs.
The reason it doesn't belong here is that it's not freeware -- at least
not yet. It's not because of any one person's needs. It's because
it's not freeware. Again, you're having problems separating facts from
your John Corliss infatuation. There might be medical help for that
kind of confusion; might be something that could help.
--
Blinky
Snapper
Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in message
> Snapper wrote:
>
> > Andy Mabbett <an...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote in message
> > news:8UTzNeKR...@pigsonthewing.org.uk...
> >
> >> So, Corliss thinks we should avoid off- topic threads. Except when
> >> they're about him, his drinking, his friends' holidays and his guns
> >> and bike, of course.
> >
> > ROFL (although I suspect the apostrophe in "friends'" is misplaced).
> > ;-)
>
> Your suspicion is undoubtedly misplaced. I believe the reference is to
> the holidays of John and "other Americans", which would, indeed,
> require the possessive of the plural. Mabbett may be a head case, but
> he's generally a technically good writer. Kinda like you.
Er, it was a *joke* Binky-Winky. Next time I make a wisecrack, I'll include
an explanatory footnote, just for your benefit.
Snapper
Snapper
Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in message
> The natural place for a $100 bill isn't lying under a table...
No, but I suspect that may the first place they look for you when you go
missing.
> I know that, and - one would hope - you know that. But I'd not fault
> either of us for picking it up if we found it there, even if one of us
> *had* just observed, "Y'know, the floor of a diner really isn't the
> best place for one to keep his $100 bills."
"isn't really the best place to keep *one's* $100 bills".
A private comment between diners is one thing. Spamming unmoderated public
Usenet groups with looney "off-topic" warnings is quite another.
Snapper
Blinky the Shark
> In message <MPG.17f6a9aa6...@news.t-online.de>, Gabriele
> Neukam <Gabriel...@t-online.de> writes
>>Is there already a term for "free" software which you can only install
>>by "paying" someone with your personal data? Something like
>>"investigateware"?
>
> "Paranoiaware" ?
C'mon....time for your meds. Atsa good boy, now...
--
Blinky
Blinky the Shark
> Is there already a term for "free" software which you can only install
> by "paying" someone with your personal data? Something like
> "investigateware"?
Registerware.
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Stan Weiss
original post.
Simon Whitaker
> Danin wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 20 Sep 2002 22:30:36 +0100, "Snapper" <snap...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote...
>> | I thought it was suppose to be freeware now?
>>
>> Perhaps. But I suspect this is a special licensed version, as they
>> have distributed in the past PSP versions. I.e., some features are
>> missing, such as .gif and .tif compression, for which royalties are
>> due to Unisys. There may be other restrictions as to distribution in
>> the licensed version, which may require a thorough read of the license
>> agreement.
>
> Datapoint: I bought and have retail PSP 5, and it has .gif and .tif.
> Here's a starting place for comparison.
>
Has them both.
Blinky the Shark
Dont' exert. It's not like I read much of your stuff.
--
Blinky
Blinky the Shark
>
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> wrote in message
> news:2770762.F...@blinkynews.invalid...
>
>> The natural place for a $100 bill isn't lying under a table...
>
> No, but I suspect that may the first place they look for you when you
> go missing.
>
>> I know that, and - one would hope - you know that. But I'd not
>> fault
>> either of us for picking it up if we found it there, even if one of
>> us *had* just observed, "Y'know, the floor of a diner really isn't
>> the best place for one to keep his $100 bills."
>
> "isn't really the best place to keep *one's* $100 bills".
Yes, that's an alternate way of saying the same thing I said, just as
grammatically.
> A private comment between diners is one thing. Spamming unmoderated
> public Usenet groups with looney "off-topic" warnings is quite
> another.
Look up "analogy". I maintain that that one is valid.
--
Blinky
GeoThermal
> > Lighten up, Blinky. I'm sure there are more important things to worry
> > about. ;-)
>
> I shan't, and I'll concern myself with other issues, as well. I'm not
> a one-track railroad. I care about the group, and I don't wish to see
> it become alt.comp.software. There's already an alt.comp.shareware --
> we don't need another one here.
Imo it's further away from being shareware than freeware.
Maybe someone should start alt.comp.free.software or similar and make it
more open to other forms of freeware.
Andy Mabbett
<no....@box.invalid> writes
>Mabbett may be a head case
>(The holidays reference probably is to the time a Canadian - not even
>one of the Dreaded Americans - expressed an American holiday greeting
>in the group.)
Not only are you gratuitously offensive, but you're also wrong.
--
Andy Mabbett
Danin
<whit...@almanack.net> wrote...
| Has them both.
Since I know that Unisys demands a minimum royalty payment for every
licensed copy distributed, and since the Patent doesn't begin to
expire until sometime next year, I wonder how Jasc can afford to do
this. Perhaps they would have made some sort of lump payment based on
the magazine's subscribers and the run of CD's, but as for
distributing online, that would seem impossibly expensive even for a
company the size of Jasc.
- return address is altered slightly to reduce spam.
Henk de Jong
news:2047131.S...@blinkynews.invalid:
I always thought that this was without any hope for improvement. Didn't
know that there was medication available for this.....
With kind regards,
--
Henk de Jong
The Netherlands
freewa...@hmdejongNOSPAM.myweb.nl (remove NOSPAM)
"Links to Freeware" www.hmdejong.myweb.nl/
Sietse Fliege
> I just happened to choose follow up on your particular message in
> order to make a general point. I was not meaning to do any "creative
> editing" of your post, just trying to give an overall
> observation/opinion. I meant no offence, believe me.
I believe you now, no problem. :-) I had just no way of knowing that.
Hint : had you added one line explaining that it was an overall opinion,
not a reply to my post, then I would not have followed up.
The irony is of course that your pleading for shortening these threads
only made it worse. Which is eh... typical. <g>
>> You see, the thing is : point blank told a lie, because :
>
> Maybe he made an honest error? There is a difference between lying and
> making a mistake unintentionally.
Yes, there is indeed, and I really only should have said that he made a
mistake.
But I really was getting annoyed with all the wrong information in this
thread.
(He certainly was not the only one.) And then I also seemed to get
punished for correcting wrong info.
--
Cheers,
Sietse Fliege
Sietse Fliege
> Mike Echo said;
>
>> If the OP had said that PSP was available in a magazine but did not
>> mention the word "freeware" then none of this would have happened.
>
> Sorry Mike, because your response was generally supportive, but I
> didn't mention the word. I said it was free, not freeware, and the
> distinction was deliberately made.
That difference is too subtile for a subject line (where it still is),
IMHO. I guess it would have been better to avoid the word altogether and
mark the thread [OT] from the beginning.
> Secondly, my reasons for posting:
>
> As I said in a previous post, other free, ex-commercial programs have
> featured quite heavily here in the past - though I now realise that
> these were probably downloadable from the PC Plus site. A couple of
> years ago, I posted a heads-up to a CD-based special version of PSP 4
> here without reaction.
>
> And more recently I've seen, for instance, Poser 3 and Maya LE flagged
> up - Poser available on CD only, and Maya LE a huge download and
> crippled almost beyond use. Maya got some response, but Poser got by
> unchallenged, as far as I remember.
I only know about Maya and happen to be the one (together with Andreas)
who posted it.
At the time I could not reach the (overloaded) website and did not know
it was that crippled.
I only knew that a program worth thousands of dollars became available
as demo and that it caused a lot of excitement.
That seemed enough for me to justify an one-off [OT] labeled
announcement.
> That's why I posted the news here. I acknowledge now that this was a
> mistake, and I apologise; but I don't think the post deserved the flak
> it got.
I think that when a quality program like PSP 5 temporarily becomes
available on CD, albeit only in restricted regios, it is quite OK to
make a one-time announcement in an [OT] labeled post.
That is quite another thing than equating CDware with freeware.
This group has clearly voted for CDware != freeware.
I really am against CDware being suggested and discussed all the time.
I do think that a little flexibility is appropriate and I (mis)use that
myself sometimes.
--
Cheers,
Sietse Fliege
Steve H
wrote:
>I suggest you take your own advice, Binky-Winky -- if indeed you're capable
>of sequential thought. Mindless, narrrow pedants like you invariably focus
>their myopic gaze on whatever happens to be immediately under their nose and
>completely fail to take in the wider picture.
>
>This group is called alt.comp.freeware, and the news that Paint Shop Pro 5
>is being distributed free on a magazine cover CD is obviously of great
>interest to many of the participants in this thread - not least the
>FAQ-thumping John Corliss, who's straining at the bit to get his hands on
>the program. The fact that it may not be immediately available for download
>is neither here nor there: the point is that there's every reason to expect
>that will be in the near future. This is *exactly* the sort of news that
>members of this newsgroup are interested in. Thanks to David Burgess's
>heads-up, they can keep an eye out for the program.
PCPLUS once released Filemaker Pro 2.1 on a cover CD. To the best of
my knowledge this great program has never been made available as a
download. Ditto Lotus Wordpro 97. Ditto.. well, you get the picture.
Can we now expect to see a pile of posts telling us all about
'coverware' which may.. or may not.. be available for download in;
A: The near future
B: The fullness of time
...or maybe never?
Oh joy.
>And, of course, many of us in the UK are grateful for this information as we
>consider PSP5 for the price of a pint of beer as near to freeware as makes
>no difference.
>
alt.comp.ah.gwan.it's.only.a.fiver.guv ?
There used to be a site that collated details of all the software
released each month with the most popular computer magazines - long
since disappeared, unfortunately.
However, it occurs to me that it wouldn't be too hard to pop links to
the half dozen major computer magazines' sites in your favourites
folder and check them once a month.
>It's tempting to speculate that you chose to name yourself after a shark
>because that species has scarcely evolved at all since the Miocene era some
>15 million years ago. Unfortunately for you, the internet, and the Usenet in
>particular, is no place for inflexible, narrow-minded dinosaurs who cling
>desperately to the past and resist every kind of change.
How about applying some sequential thinking here, and taking in the
wider picture.
The noble shark has indeed been around a very long time. A very, very
long time. It has survived where other species have disappeared,
leaving barely a trace of their existence.
Basically, the shark got it dead right many, many millions of years
ago - and just because it hasn't sprouted wings since you last looked
doesn't mean it ain't still evolving. Just because it's old and
established doesn't mean it's no good.
And when it decides to take a lump out of you, it does so not in spite
of its great evolutionary age - but because of it, which is why we
evolutionary 'new kids on the block' tend to be scared of them. They
really are rather good at what they do, you know.
There are those who say the dinosaurs didn't die out, but evolved into
birds.
Was that a bad move? Well, how many chickens are YOU afraid of?
All that's to say that there's often merit in establishing a
status-quo, and maintaining it.
>
>People here currently want to know about all aspects of freeware
Which people in particular? What about those who don't?
>- including
>news of those programs that are newly being offered free by magazines. If
>that doesn't suit you and your fellow dinosaurs, then I suggest you retract
>your reptilian heads back beneath the surface of the primal swamp and make
>way for the rest of us.
>
Why should anyone make way for you?
Personally I quite like the idea that any software recommended here is
available now on the web at the click of a URL; is free; contains no
adverts, no nags, no spyware and no hidden costs.
Why shouldn't you be the one making way... or is that taking too wide
a view?
--
Steve ( out in the sticks )
Email: anyoldname(*AT*)gmx(*dot*)co(*dot*)uk
Blinky the Shark
> Blinky the Shark <no....@box.invalid> schreef in
> news:2047131.S...@blinkynews.invalid:
>
>> Andy Mabbett wrote:
>>
>>> In message <MPG.17f6a9aa6...@news.t-online.de>, Gabriele
>>> Neukam <Gabriel...@t-online.de> writes
>>>>Is there already a term for "free" software which you can only
>>>>install by "paying" someone with your personal data? Something like
>>>>"investigateware"?
>>>
>>> "Paranoiaware" ?
>>
>> C'mon....time for your meds. Atsa good boy, now...
>
> I always thought that this was without any hope for improvement.
> Didn't know that there was medication available for this.....
And I think the government pays for it.
UK! UK! UK!
--
Blinky
Blinky the Shark
"Other forms of freeware"? Doesn't compute. Freeware is freeware.
That's the point.
--
Blinky
John Fitzsimons
<parago...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>====================================================
>"Andy Mabbett" <an...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote in message
>> Sign Amnesty International's petition - stop the USA from violating
>> International Law by obtaining war crime impunity agreements:
>> <http://web.amnesty.org/web/icc_petition.nsf/action_english>
>Just LOVE your tag line .. so that lurkers from two-bit has-been nations can
>rattle their jealousies over U.S. taking the moral lead.
< snip >
"Moral lead" ? "First strike" attacking of Iran is perhaps a "moral
lead" ? Maybe the US paying billions of dollars a year for the
Israelis to occupy/control arab land is another example of your
"morality" ?
I think that some here can do without that type of "morality". Many
non Americans would simply call such examples "international
thuggery". Not something anyone should be jealous of.
John Fitzsimons
<Gabriel...@t-online.de> wrote:
< snip >
>Is there already a term for "free" software which you can only install by
>"paying" someone with your personal data? Something like
>"investigateware"?
The term often used is "registerware".
Regards, John.
»Q«
> UK! UK! UK!
Y'all really have to stop doing that. When Al Gore invented the
internet, he named it America Online to discourage just this kind of
behaviour. Er, behavior.
--
»Q«
Snapper
news:e5opouk8fd0093l4d...@4ax.com...
> The noble shark has indeed been around a very long time. A very, very
> long time. It has survived where other species have disappeared,
> leaving barely a trace of their existence.
> Basically, the shark got it dead right many, many millions of years
> ago - and just because it hasn't sprouted wings since you last looked
> doesn't mean it ain't still evolving. Just because it's old and
> established doesn't mean it's no good.
>
> And when it decides to take a lump out of you, it does so not in spite
> of its great evolutionary age - but because of it, which is why we
> evolutionary 'new kids on the block' tend to be scared of them. They
> really are rather good at what they do, you know.
>
> There are those who say the dinosaurs didn't die out, but evolved into
> birds.
> Was that a bad move? Well, how many chickens are YOU afraid of?
Snapper <snap...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:amilnu$62f25$1...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de...
> Er, it was a *joke* Binky-Winky. Next time I make a wisecrack, I'll
include
> an explanatory footnote, just for your benefit.
Consider yourself another beneficiary when the time comes, Steve.
As for your other points -- I prefer to converse with someone a little
higher up the food chain if it's all the same to you.
Snapper
Steve H
wrote:
>
>Snapper <snap...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:amilnu$62f25$1...@ID-96100.news.dfncis.de...
>
>> Er, it was a *joke* Binky-Winky. Next time I make a wisecrack, I'll
>include
>> an explanatory footnote, just for your benefit.
>
>Consider yourself another beneficiary when the time comes, Steve.
I can hardly wait...the guys in Montreux must be buffing up your
golden rose even now.
>
>As for your other points -- I prefer to converse with someone a little
>higher up the food chain if it's all the same to you.
>
They'd be even less impressed by your lack of reasoning - but go
ahead, knock yourself out ( oh please ).
Trevor Noble
"Gabriele Neukam" <Gabriel...@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:MPG.17f6a9aa6...@news.t-online.de...
> On that special day, PB, (NOS...@HOTMAIL.COM) said...
>
> > loads a new web page stating: "The password for Paintshop Pro 5 is
futurepsppromo." So
> > it's hardly a "register" issue to be scared of
>
> (sigh) I wish it would work with "my" version. a little more than a year
> ago, the German magazine PC Welt put PSP 5.03 onto its cover CD, and
> directed the readers to a site I have never heard of (and never heard of
> again). I didn't want to hand my personal data to a company I don't know,
> so no go.
Nobody is being forced to give any "personal details" in any registration
process. You could register the name: Mr. Bugs Bunny at DisneyWorld France
with a bugs@hotmail address for all that it matters to the Jasc company! The
Feds are not going to come to check if you have furry ears and nibble
carrots!!!
Stop being so paranoid and enjoy a free version of PaintShop Pro.
regds
Trevor
point blank
> You see, the thing is : point blank told a lie,
I'm sorry you see it that way Sietse.
The magazine cover has a panel that states: 'Free - 12 full apps'. This
refers to 12 programs on its CD, including Paint Shop Pro 5, that users
previously had to pay for (btw, the CD also contains a number of other
programs like Ad Aware, Zone Alarm, InfranView etc that are often
mentioned on this group). The magazine describes Paint Shop Pro as an
'exclusive' because it is the first time the full version is being given
away in the UK.
I did not know if the program could be downloaded or not, but assumed
that, if not, it probably soon will be. I also assume it will soon appear
with other magazines, perhaps in your country too.
Even if PSP could be downloaded, I would probably have bought the
magazine anyway as this is a large program. Surely it qualifies as
freeware because, other than the small cost of the magazine, it is
'free'.
I can understand if you are irritated because you can't get it - I would
feel the same way. But if you think it 'told a lie' in order to deceive
anyone, I want to assure you that was not my intention.
Blinky the Shark
>>
>> You see, the thing is : point blank told a lie,
> that, if not, it probably soon will be. I also assume it will soon appear
> with other magazines, perhaps in your country too.
If it does become available for free download, then it will be freeware.
Until then, it's not freeware. This is a freeware group.
> Even if PSP could be downloaded, I would probably have bought the
> magazine anyway as this is a large program. Surely it qualifies as
> freeware because, other than the small cost of the magazine, it is
> 'free'.
"Small cost" does not equal "no cost". Back to school wiff you.
> I can understand if you are irritated because you can't get it - I would
I already have it - bought it years ago - and I'm still irritated:
irritated when non-freeware is called freeware and promoted in here. So
it's certainly not a matter of PSP-envy with all of us. It's a matter
of it not being freeware.
--
Blinky