proxomitron: dead, gone, bye bye
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said by Scott Lemmon:
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This is the only post I will make regarding Proxomiton.
Yes, I pulled the site down.
No, It's not because of Arne so no one should blame him. I'm not happy
with all those on the Yahoo list doing so.
I make lots of changes to the program with being human I sometimes
forget to document. I added this one because of a few emails
requesting it since it was a minor alteration (1 line of code). I
fogot about it until it was mentioned on the list.
Yes, I was hurt that Arne attacked me personally for this rather than
just making a case for changing it back - which I probably would have
been willing to do if enough people wanted it. I think my post at
Yahoo confirm this: As I said on the list, people will of course only
request something the program doesn't already do. So I know having a
number of requests for an item doesn't necessairly mean that's what
most people want.
I don't use "anon" proxies much myself anymore so I didn't think much
about it from that angle. To me having fail-over seem like a good idea
since it makes the connection itself more reliable. The basic argument
people requesting the feature made to me was "A proxy is to help your
connection - one that you can't connect to isn't helping". To be
bypassed the proxy actually has to fail to connect - usually after
several retries. The problem is many anon proxies are overloaded or
misconfigured so connection failures are not as uncommon as they are
with a normal proxy.
As Arne said, this isn't the first time I've considered giving it all
up. This is just the first time I've actually done it. I apologize,
I'm not perfect - all I was trying to do was the best I can. However,
if a change I considered so minor can get me labeled as a "betrayer of
trust" from someone I've long regarded with respect, then perhaps I
shouldn't be doing this at all.
In the end it's a matter of balance. There are many, many reasons for
me to give it up - not just this. In this day and age I even worry
someone might sue me because of it. I have to ask myself why devote so
much of my life to something when it can illicit this kind of reaction
from people. I've never asked that *anyone* use the program, and I'm
surely not offended if people wish to use something else.
Lastly, although the official versions may be re-distributed the
beta's may not (this was made clear in the readme that came with
them). I ask that their license please be respected. They do contain
bugs which were fixed in the final version (non withstanding any bugs
that may have) and it's possible these bugs could be exploited.
Don
proxies.
I do know that by using this filter my web browsing has been an enjoyable
experience. No pop ups, no strange pages, etc,, etc,, etc,
As the author says he "is doing the best I can." I take the same attitude
in my employment. I do the best I can. I too receive some crticism, but
this does not mean I quit my job. Neither is my employer about to fire me!
You must roll with the punches. The Proxomitron is a damn good product. It
may not be perfect but nothing in life is!
To abandon success in light of some criticism just doesn't make sense!
Wound your hurt feeligs and get back to work!
My two cents!
Don
Max Quordlepleen
<ivory...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> proffered, in :
news:Xns938ECF303B67Fiv...@207.217.77.23:
> To abandon success in light of some criticism just doesn't make
> sense! Wound your hurt feeligs and get back to work!
>
> My two cents!
>
There is, of course, a fatal flaw in your wonderfully sympathetic "get
back to work" exhortation to Mr. Lemmon - Proxo is freeware, not his
work. He wrote it and distributed it out of his own magnanimity, so he
is under no obligation to "get back to work" on it. I have noticed a
similar attitude among some Xnews users, and indeed most freeware app.s
- many users appear to believe that the author owes _them_ for their
having decided to use the software. Bizarre!
--
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Bebop & Rocksteady
> I don't know who the hell 'Arne' is and I certainly don't know about
> "anon' proxies.
> I do know that by using this filter my web browsing has been an
> enjoyable experience. No pop ups, no strange pages, etc,, etc,, etc,
Yes it is one of the best popup stoppers "NOT" on the market... remember
it was free, you paid how much...
> As the author says he "is doing the best I can." I take the same
> attitude in my employment. I do the best I can. I too receive some
> crticism, but this does not mean I quit my job. Neither is my employer
> about to fire me!
Well if you were not getting paid for your job maybe you would... most
freeware authors do this as a hobby and not to make a living from it... and
if the author wants to stop developing his application... he can he does
not have to ask you for permission.
> You must roll with the punches. The Proxomitron is a damn good product.
> It may not be perfect but nothing in life is!
Agreed... but its his choice not ours.
> To abandon success in light of some criticism just doesn't make sense!
> Wound your hurt feeligs and get back to work!
Why should he if he doesn't want too... Why should he give up his time if
he wants to do something else with his life...
> My two cents!
well try actually donating some money to the project and he may continue
with the development.
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You echo my thoughts, Don. I was going to post something similar, and
then I saw that it apparently wasn't Scott that made the post.
It's a wonderful program. I hope Scott does bounce back; I hope the
pull is too great for him to resist.
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bye bye Max Quordlepleen <MaxQuor...@ded.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:21:33 GMT, Don
><ivory...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> proffered, in :
>news:Xns938ECF303B67Fiv...@207.217.77.23:
>
>> To abandon success in light of some criticism just doesn't make
>> sense! Wound your hurt feeligs and get back to work!
>>
>> My two cents!
>>
>
>There is, of course, a fatal flaw in your wonderfully sympathetic "get
>back to work" exhortation to Mr. Lemmon - Proxo is freeware, not his
>work. He wrote it and distributed it out of his own magnanimity, so he
>is under no obligation to "get back to work" on it. I have noticed a
>similar attitude among some Xnews users, and indeed most freeware app.s
>- many users appear to believe that the author owes _them_ for their
>having decided to use the software. Bizarre!
Well said!
It seems that a lot of avid freeware users view freeware as a right
rather than a gift. But that's just consistent with our (American)
depraved "gimme" culture.
William de Haan
> It seems that a lot of avid freeware users view freeware as a right
> rather than a gift. But that's just consistent with our (American)
> depraved "gimme" culture.
It's not just freeware. I used to be an OS/2 user, and it was amazing
watching OS/2 companies bite the dust. People who previously lambasted a
company's products would come out of the woodwork and *demand* that the
company release its' wares onto the market for free. Some did, which of
course caused a domino effect that killed *other* OS/2 companies, by making
them compete with competing products that were free competition.
--
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Binyamin Dissen
:>I don't know who the hell 'Arne' is and I certainly don't know about "anon'
:>proxies.
:>I do know that by using this filter my web browsing has been an enjoyable
:>experience. No pop ups, no strange pages, etc,, etc,, etc,
SO I am sure that you have paid for the excellent service.
:>As the author says he "is doing the best I can." I take the same attitude
:>in my employment. I do the best I can. I too receive some crticism, but
:>this does not mean I quit my job. Neither is my employer about to fire me!
This is NOT his job.
He is providing free software.
Nobody is paying him to do it.
:>You must roll with the punches. The Proxomitron is a damn good product. It
:>may not be perfect but nothing in life is!
Why must he "roll with the punches"?
Perhaps he would find it more comfortable outside the arena for a while?
:>To abandon success in light of some criticism just doesn't make sense!
How do you measure this "success"?
Certainly not by the millions coming it.
:>Wound your hurt feeligs and get back to work!
Why?
Because YOU demand it?
A man provides a free service, you use it, and then you trivialize his
feelings.
Certainly a great way to convince him to continue providing you with this free
service.
--
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http://www.dissensoftware.com
Donald Bock
news:16epdv4tu8aspnlfc...@4ax.com in alt.comp.freeware:
> On Tue, 03 Jun 2003 01:21:33 GMT Don <ivory...@NOSPAMearthlink.net>
> wrote:
>
>:>I don't know who the hell 'Arne' is and I certainly don't know about
>:>"anon' proxies.
>
>:>I do know that by using this filter my web browsing has been an
>:>enjoyable experience. No pop ups, no strange pages, etc,, etc,, etc,
>
> SO I am sure that you have paid for the excellent service.
>
>:>As the author says he "is doing the best I can." I take the same
>:>attitude in my employment. I do the best I can. I too receive some
>:>crticism, but this does not mean I quit my job. Neither is my employer
>:>about to fire me!
>
> This is NOT his job.
>
> He is providing free software.
>
> Nobody is paying him to do it.
>
>:>You must roll with the punches. The Proxomitron is a damn good product.
>:>It may not be perfect but nothing in life is!
>
> Why must he "roll with the punches"? Re: Standard euphemism for extolling
stahwathy attitude against an oposition, here. No, he doesn't HAVE TO?
>
> Perhaps he would find it more comfortable outside the arena for a while?
>
>:>To abandon success in light of some criticism just doesn't make sense!
>
> How do you measure this "success"?
>
> Certainly not by the millions coming it. <Why not? Let the author measure
success the way HE SEES FIT.
>
>:>Wound your hurt feeligs and get back to work! <If he is mad, then he a
right to do what he does and thinks...he's human. Since it's freeware, is
he olbigated to anyone? NO.
>
> Why?
>
> Because YOU demand it?
>
> A man provides a free service, you use it, and then you trivialize his
> feelings.
>
> Certainly a great way to convince him to continue providing you with
> this free service. <Seems odd, don't you think?>
>
> --
> Binyamin Dissen <bdi...@dissensoftware.com>
> http://www.dissensoftware.com
>
IMHO: Simply see these criticisms as babblings of nerds.
Uncle Fred
says...
> IMHO: Simply see these criticisms as babblings of nerds.
>
>
There is another possibility; that the powers that be don't want people being
able to filter out their popup windows and scripts and other snooping stuff, and so
they set someone out to harass the author into withdrawing the product from the
market. It all just seems too convenient to be a natural, unplanned action.
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Alan
>
> There is another possibility; that the powers that be don't want
> people being able to filter out their popup windows and scripts and
> other snooping stuff, and so they set someone out to harass the
> author into withdrawing the product from the market. It all just
> seems too convenient to be a natural, unplanned action.
And this all seems far too wild to be anything other than a crackpot
conspiracy theory. Why would these unspecified "powers" zero in on just
one piece of software? There are a mountain of popup stoppers, firewalls
and even browsers out there that all aim to filter out the junk. I
haven't seen a profusion of those being harassed into tossing in the
towel.
--
Alan
John Gilmour
The site "name" is not one that I would normaly refer anyone to, but here goes
Put "Mindfuck" into your search engine and it will take you to
www.mindfuck.darkg.com/downloads/ProxN44.exe
John.
John Gilmour
John.
On Wed, 4 Jun 2003 12:05:57 +1000, " Alan" <t...@soon.alphalink.com.au> wrote:
William de Haan
> There is another possibility; that the powers that be don't want people being
> able to filter out their popup windows and scripts and other snooping stuff, and so
> they set someone out to harass the author into withdrawing the product from the
> market. It all just seems too convenient to be a natural, unplanned action.
This *also* reminds me of OS/2 in the bad old days; the idea that all our
troubles were the result of a shadowy conspiracy by "the man", rather than
market forces or individual personalities.
I like proxomitron; I've been using it for years. I still run v4.1, because
it works, and I've never seen the need to update it. Scott did great work,
and deserves kudos for the effort. It's appreciated.
However, the idea that he stopped working on it because of sinister threats
from TWMNBN is simply paranoia. While proxomitron is great, there's no
reason to single it out; the function it presents is not unique, being
available in Mozilla, Ad Subtract, WebWasher, Outpost, and numerous other
popup and ad blockers, both freeware and commercial.
Uncle Fred
rhexis
news:Xns938ECF303B67Fiv...@207.217.77.23...
> I don't know who the hell 'Arne' is and I certainly don't know about
> "anon' proxies.
I don't know him either, but I already think he's a grade A idiot.
> As the author says he "is doing the best I can." I take the same
> attitude in my employment. I do the best I can. I too receive some
> crticism, but this does not mean I quit my job. Neither is my
> employer about to fire me!
That's not a valid comparison. /You're/ getting paid to listen to
morons. Scott isn't. All the payment he recieves is the "gratitude"
from users like Arne.
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Peder
> "Don" <ivory...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:Xns938ECF303B67Fiv...@207.217.77.23...
>
>> I don't know who the hell 'Arne' is and I certainly don't know about
>> "anon' proxies.
>
> I don't know him either, but I already think he's a grade A idiot.
I realy dont now if I got it wrong but could arne be this at:
http://www.halfbakedschemes.com/
Look in the the down corner to the right after:
Arne's Proxomitron Forum link to Arnes forum.
/Peder
rhexis
news:1colrd64yim38.4fwuuis18txh$.dlg@40tude.net...
>> I don't know him either, but I already think he's a grade A idiot.
>
> I realy dont now if I got it wrong but could arne be this at:
> http://www.halfbakedschemes.com/
> Look in the the down corner to the right after:
> Arne's Proxomitron Forum link to Arnes forum.
Yeah, that's him.
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rhexis
Vic Dura
bye bye Uncle Fred <unclef...@fredwilliams.ca> wrote:
> There is another possibility; that the powers that be don't want people being
>able to filter out their popup windows and scripts and other snooping stuff, and so
>they set someone out to harass the author into withdrawing the product from the
>market. It all just seems too convenient to be a natural, unplanned action.
Yes, it's a conspiracy. It probably involves the same people that
assassinated J.F. Kennedy.
Thirty years ago people laughed at those trying to warn the country
about the dangers of the Tri-Lateral Commission and the Arab League.
They're not laughing now.
Max Quordlepleen
proffered, in : news:03isdvk5vqbli1mv9...@4ax.com:
> Yes, it's a conspiracy. It probably involves the same people that
> assassinated J.F. Kennedy.
Rubbish - everybody knows JFK committed suicide.
Alan
> In article <3edd...@news.alphalink.com.au>,
> t...@soon.alphalink.com.au says...
>> Uncle Fred wrote:
>>>
>>> There is another possibility; that the powers that be don't want
>>> people being able to filter out their popup windows and scripts and
>>> other snooping stuff, and so they set someone out to harass the
>>> author into withdrawing the product from the market. It all just
>>> seems too convenient to be a natural, unplanned action.
>>
>> And this all seems far too wild to be anything other than a crackpot
>> conspiracy theory. Why would these unspecified "powers" zero in on
>> just
>> one piece of software? There are a mountain of popup stoppers,
>> firewalls and even browsers out there that all aim to filter out the
>> junk. I
>> haven't seen a profusion of those being harassed into tossing in the
>> towel.
>>
> All I said was that it was a "possibility." It is the way they work.
You mean conspiracy theories? Very sensible move in that case.
"Possibility" opens the way to suggesting absolutely anything. :)
--
Alan
Blinky the Shark
> Don wrote:
>> I don't know who the hell 'Arne' is and I certainly don't know about
>> "anon' proxies.
> Arne is a long-time Proxomitron user who runs his own Proxo forum.
> For awhile he also ran a Proxo mailing list aimed for beginners. He's
> done a great service as far as promoting Proxo, but he has some
> personality quirks. Which I guess we're seeing now. I haven't
> followed this latest controversy since I've seen it all before -
> someone pi*sing Scott off and Scott threatening to quit. But this
> time it's more interesting since Arne and Scott are more friends than
> enemies. So if Arne was behind Scott throwing in the towel, that
> would hurt Scott a whole lot more than if it were just an anonymous
> user.
I have three Proxo links on my site, because I think it's one of the
best pieces of freeware I've used, and one is to Arne's site. I've
been debating this. If he's The Man Who Killed Proxo, I'm not convinced
that I care to maintain that link, regardless of his past contributions.
I'm not asking anyone to make that decision for me. That said, I *am*
interested in your take, as one who seems to know more about the people
involved here, than I do...
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Uncle Fred
The main people who label accusations "conspiracy theories" and ridicule them
are the conspirators. Their next step is usually to put out absolutely ridiculous
theories to discredit the others. It takes some intelligence to sort it all out, but
if we decide to ignore all the conspiracy theories, we'll be totally unable to defend
ourselves from real conspiracies, and that would be very dangerous indeed.
Uncle Fred
> Don wrote:
>
> > I don't know who the hell 'Arne' is and I certainly don't know about
> > "anon' proxies.
>
> awhile he also ran a Proxo mailing list aimed for beginners. He's done a
> great service as far as promoting Proxo, but he has some personality
> quirks. Which I guess we're seeing now. I haven't followed this latest
> controversy since I've seen it all before - someone pi*sing Scott off and
> Scott threatening to quit. But this time it's more interesting since Arne
> and Scott are more friends than enemies. So if Arne was behind Scott
> throwing in the towel, that would hurt Scott a whole lot more than if it
> were just an anonymous user.
>
> list, he distributed a list of anon proxies, which I myself used and found
> valuable.
>
> Will be interesting to see what happens...
>
Yes. As we learn more, the conspiracy theory seems less likely in this case.
five
| Yes. As we learn more, the conspiracy theory seems less likely in
| this case.
'Jehovah!'
REMbr...@inu.net
> Uncle Fred <unclef...@fredwilliams.ca> wrote:
> The main people who label accusations "conspiracy theories" and ridicule them
>are the conspirators.
This is circular logic attempting to prop itself up.
I seriously doubt there are any real conspiracies against freeware. To assert this does not
make me, or anyone else, a conspirator.
>Their next step is usually to put out absolutely ridiculous
>theories to discredit the others.
The original statement was pretty far out there. Anything is possible I suppose. But to throw
something like that out without anything to support it and relying on the word "possibility"
does not serve a constructive purpose here. If you have evidence of some sort it is a
new ballgame.
>It takes some intelligence to sort it all out, but
>if we decide to ignore all the conspiracy theories, we'll be totally unable to defend
>ourselves from real conspiracies, and that would be very dangerous indeed.
I just don't see any real conspiracies, nor the need to imagine them in order to defend
against them. Circular again.
tls...@concentric.net
<unclef...@fredwilliams.ca> took a very strange color crayon and
scribbled:
>The main people who label accusations "conspiracy theories" and ridicule them
>are the conspirators. Their next step is usually to put out absolutely ridiculous
>theories to discredit the others. It takes some intelligence to sort it all out, but
>if we decide to ignore all the conspiracy theories, we'll be totally unable to defend
>ourselves from real conspiracies, and that would be very dangerous indeed.
In the scheme of things, Proxomitron is a very small fish. If you
don't want to sleep at night, by all means go ahead and worry, but I'm
not planning to.
--
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tls...@concentric.net / http://www.concentric.net/~tlshell
William de Haan
> I seriously doubt there are any real conspiracies against freeware. To
> assert this does not make me, or anyone else, a conspirator.
As the joke goes, the conspiracy you've uncovered is merely a front for the
REAL conspiracy. :-)
I'm sure that there are numerous commercial interests that aren't too happy
with certain specific freeware offerings. The most obvious is Microsoft's
concern over Linux. But concern over competition does not a conspiracy make.
Blinky the Shark
> In a conversation over heard in alt.comp.freeware, Blinky the Shark from
> Section ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha mumbled, and I quote:
>> I have three Proxo links on my site, because I think it's one of the
>> best pieces of freeware I've used, and one is to Arne's site. I've
>> been debating this. If he's The Man Who Killed Proxo, I'm not convinced
>> that I care to maintain that link, regardless of his past contributions.
> Looks like there's a new version (4.5 II), only to be found on his site:
><http://asp.flaaten.dk/proxo/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1104>
Thanks, Deep.
Blinky the Shark
[views on the Proxo issue]
Thank you.
Uncle Fred
Nor does it need to. Big business protecting itself from competition is the
same thing and it's applauded in many circles and "competitiveness." Nevertheless,
it's the same thing, trash your opponents with more than they are trashing you and
you'll be the winner. Trouble is your opponents are doing the same thing, (that's
speaking in general not about freeware in particular.)
But REMbranded was right. I too "seriously doubt there are any real
conspiracies against freeware." At least to the extent it seems to have been
practised in the Proxomitron instance. But this is not just "freeware." It is
freeware that protects us against spyware! All the people who want to get at us
through our browsers could be really upset about that. *OR* it could be something
else entirely. It just pays not to dismiss a possibility as out of hand just because
somebody labels it a "conspiracy theory." Ridicule is one of the primary tools of
mind control.
tls...@concentric.net
>Ridicule is one of the primary tools of
>mind control.
Oh, boy. Now you are getting into "woo-woo" land. If that's all it
takes to "control" you, then you really need to work on your strength
of character and sense of ethics.
REMbr...@inu.net
> Uncle Fred <unclef...@fredwilliams.ca> wrote:
> Nor does it need to. Big business protecting itself from competition is the
>same thing and it's applauded in many circles and "competitiveness." Nevertheless,
>it's the same thing, trash your opponents with more than they are trashing you and
>you'll be the winner. Trouble is your opponents are doing the same thing, (that's
>speaking in general not about freeware in particular.)
> But REMbranded was right. I too "seriously doubt there are any real
>conspiracies against freeware." At least to the extent it seems to have been
>practised in the Proxomitron instance. But this is not just "freeware." It is
>freeware that protects us against spyware! All the people who want to get at us
>through our browsers could be really upset about that. *OR* it could be something
>else entirely. It just pays not to dismiss a possibility as out of hand just because
>somebody labels it a "conspiracy theory." Ridicule is one of the primary tools of
>mind control.
Here is v4.2 - 4.5 archived. I think Blinky and Henry also have it.
http://woundedmoon.org/win32/proxomitron.html
John Fitzsimons
< snip >
> The main people who label accusations "conspiracy theories" and ridicule them
>are the conspirators.
In this case it would be people who gain by us not being able to stop
advertising being "in our faces" when visiting web sites.
< snip >
>if we decide to ignore all the conspiracy theories, we'll be totally unable to defend
>ourselves from real conspiracies, and that would be very dangerous indeed.
Agreed. There would be millions of advertisers that would like to see
programs like Proxomitron stop being developed. It doesn't need any
"conspiracy theory" to imagine that even one of them could put some
time/effort into sabotaging a program like this.
Advertising is a billions of dollars a year industry in many
countries. NOT to acknowledge that the industry, or one/more of it's
members might try to work against anti-advertising programs is being
somewhat naive IMO.
Regards, John.
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William de Haan
> Nevertheless, it's the same thing, trash your opponents with more than
> they are trashing you and you'll be the winner.
Well, there are little things like quality, pricing, availability, support,
and other *minor* issues that people use in choosing between vendors.
Talking trash is hardly the deciding factor.
> But this is not just "freeware." It is freeware that protects us against
> spyware!
That's hardly what Proxomitron was about. AdAware and Spybot work in that
space; Proximotron is not even a player. Its' forte is killing ads, web
bugs, and scripts that the user considers undesirable. Spyware isn't even on
the radar.
> All the people who want to get at us through our browsers could be really
> upset about that.
And yet oddly, this mysterious cabal doesn't trouble itself with Mozilla,
Opera, or other big name players who do the same thing as Proximotron, and
have a much wider impact that Proximotron. With all respect to Scott, I
would be surprised if Proximotron has 10% of the user penetration that
Mozilla does.
> *OR* it could be something else entirely. It just pays not to dismiss a
> possibility as out of hand just because somebody labels it a "conspiracy
> theory." Ridicule is one of the primary tools of mind control.
It's also a tool used to reject ideas that are proposterous. People don't
ridicule the Iraqi information minister because they are trying to control
his mind, they did because his claims were ridiculous. Talking about "mind
control" only heightens the absurdity. The idea that Scott's little freeware
app was shut down by "the man" is ludicrous on the face of it. The idea that
rejecting the idea of the conspiracy is "mind control" doesn't pass the
horse laugh test. Of course, there are people who believe we never went to
the moon, and that the world is really run by six Jewish bankers in
Switzerland who control government leaders through ancient Masonic rites.
Max Quordlepleen
<bdh-...@rogers.com> proffered, in :
news:8fuo2g8dfgt1.1r...@40tude.net:
> Of course, there are people who believe we never went to
> the moon, and that the world is really run by six Jewish bankers
> in Switzerland who control government leaders through ancient
> Masonic rites.
Sheesh! Will you people NEVER get it right - they're Farsi, not Jewish,
and the rites are Zoroastrian, not Masonic. And EVERYBODY knows that
the Moon landing was faked, by EXACTLY the same people who decided that
Scott Lemmon was too big a threat to their secret world order to allow
him to continue. Your slagging off Fred for pointing out the truth is
making my tinfoil hat really start to itch
--
Noho ora mai, ka kite ano.
William de Haan
> Sheesh! Will you people NEVER get it right - they're Farsi, not Jewish,
> and the rites are Zoroastrian, not Masonic.
You speak too openly of the workings of the Cabal. They will come for you.
> And EVERYBODY knows that the Moon landing was faked, by EXACTLY the same
> people who decided that Scott Lemmon was too big a threat to their secret
> world order to allow him to continue. Your slagging off Fred for pointing
> out the truth is making my tinfoil hat really start to itch
When O.J. Simpson was arrested, I was in a coffee shop in downtown Toronto
in the financial district. The woman in line behind me was talking about it,
talking to the woman behind her (friend, co-worker, trapped victim, I don't
know), explaining the history of O.J. Simpson. Not his football history. Oh
no. She was talking about his history as an actor, specifically the movie
"Capricorn One".
Capricorn One's "plot" is that the moon missions were faked and filmed in
the desert. In this movie, the astronauts were on a soundstage presented as
Mars, when their rocket burns up on live TV. Obviously, they can't be
allowed to ever be seen alive on Earth again, and hilarity ensues as the
NASA black ops forces try to kill them.
While this was a laughable conspiracy flick to most of us, to this Very
Serious Lady, it was a "docu-drama", done under the cloak of fiction, in
order to get past the radar of military industrial complex. However, the
MIC caught on, and had worked for over ten years to discredit this movie,
destroying all copies it could find, "convincing" film critics to pan and
ridicule it, etc. Their crowning achievement, however, had just been pulled
off: they had used the CIA to frame O.J. Simpson for the murder of his wife
as a reprisal for making the movie.
You're not the only one wearing tinfoil, Max...
>--
>Noho ora mai, ka kite ano.
Hmm. I thought this was very strange Japanese ("my beautiful house is the
starting point"), until I realized it was Moari :-)
Max Quordlepleen
<bdh-...@rogers.com> proffered, in :
news:1bdr2cwrbp76m.1...@40tude.net:
> However, the
> MIC caught on, and had worked for over ten years to discredit this
> movie, destroying all copies it could find, "convincing" film
> critics to pan and ridicule it, etc. Their crowning achievement,
> however, had just been pulled off: they had used the CIA to frame
> O.J. Simpson for the murder of his wife as a reprisal for making
> the movie.
>
LITERALLY ROFLMAO!! Thanks for making my day.
--
Nationalism is an infantile disease, the measles of humanity. -
Einstein
Alan
> On Fri, 06 Jun 2003 13:43:48 +1200, Max Quordlepleen wrote:
>
> When O.J. Simpson was arrested, I was in a coffee shop in downtown
> Toronto in the financial district. The woman in line behind me was
> talking about it, talking to the woman behind her (friend, co-worker,
> trapped victim, I don't know), explaining the history of O.J.
> Simpson. Not his football history. Oh no. She was talking about his
> history as an actor, specifically the movie "Capricorn One".
>
> Capricorn One's "plot" is that the moon missions were faked and
> filmed in the desert. In this movie, the astronauts were on a
> soundstage presented as Mars, when their rocket burns up on live TV.
> Obviously, they can't be allowed to ever be seen alive on Earth
> again, and hilarity ensues as the NASA black ops forces try to kill
> them.
>
> While this was a laughable conspiracy flick to most of us, to this
> Very Serious Lady, it was a "docu-drama", done under the cloak of
> fiction, in order to get past the radar of military industrial
> complex. However, the MIC caught on, and had worked for over ten
> years to discredit this movie, destroying all copies it could find,
> "convincing" film critics to pan and ridicule it, etc. Their crowning
> achievement, however, had just been pulled off: they had used the CIA
> to frame O.J. Simpson for the murder of his wife as a reprisal for
> making the movie.
Sounds reasonable ;-) I remember that film as quite a classic. I think
it was the first one I'd seen where you never got to see the faces of
the bad guys who were chasing the good guys. They all wore helmets with
dark full-face visors as part of their flight suits. Naturally, these
flight suits were of the "all black" variety.
--
Alan
Nicolaas Hawkins
> [...]
> You're not the only one wearing tinfoil, Max...
>
>>--
>>Noho ora mai, ka kite ano.
>
> Hmm. I thought this was very strange Japanese ("my beautiful
> house is the starting point"), until I realized it was Moari :-)
>
MAORI, dank je wel!
--
-Nicolaas
...Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!
Max Quordlepleen
> Quoting "William de Haan" on 06 Jun 2003:
>
> > [...]
>
> > You're not the only one wearing tinfoil, Max...
> >
> >>--
> >>Noho ora mai, ka kite ano.
> >
> > Hmm. I thought this was very strange Japanese ("my beautiful
> > house is the starting point"), until I realized it was Moari :-)
> >
>
> MAORI, dank je wel!
Actually, in the absence of macronised fonts, I prefer to be
pedantically correct, and spell it Maaori. Nga whakawhetai kia koe
Nicolaas Hawkins
Well, congratulations! Not all of us can (or wish to) be perfect.
Most of us will settle for ordinarily correct and do the best we can
with what we have. To hell with politically correct bullsnit.
... Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned ... NOT!
--
-Nicolaas
A New Zealand European ... and bloody proud of it!
Max Quordlepleen
proffered, in : news:Xns9392B2C...@202.37.66.2:
> Well, congratulations! Not all of us can (or wish to) be perfect.
> Most of us will settle for ordinarily correct and do the best we can
> with what we have. To hell with politically correct bullsnit.
>
> ... Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned ... NOT!
>
>
> --
>
> -Nicolaas
> A New Zealand European ... and bloody proud of it!
>
>
FWIW, I too am a white NZer, (5th generation on my mother's side). My
post has nothing to do with political correctness, simply linguistic
correctness. I love learning languages, and am currently learning both
Te Reo and Italian. In Te Reo Maaori, the doubling of a vowel makes a
difference - maori and maaori are different words. Wa as-salaam
alaikum, alla prossima.
--
Patriotism is a pernicious, psychopathic form of idiocy. - G. B. Shaw
William de Haan
>>until I realized it was Moari :-)
>
> MAORI, dank je wel!
Sumimasen. :-)
Brian Tillman
>"Capricorn One".
>
>Capricorn One's "plot" is that the moon missions were faked and filmed in
>the desert.
Wrongo! The mission faked in "Capricorn One" was a Mars mission, not the
moon missions. Go rent the DVD again.
--
Brian Tillman Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com
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