Get Sumo/Dumo & other free utils while you can as they seem to be disappearing at the end of the month

[Wally J]

I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this
notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
<https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

Termination notice
KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
Sales are stopped.

SUMo
DUMo
IDPhotoStudio
VideoInspector
KCleaner
HDDExpert
RAMExpert
BATExpert
PortExpert
dot11Expert
MassCert
Startup Sentinel
Zer0
AudioGrail
PhotoToFilm
AVIToolbox
ApHeMo
K-ML
KFK
Ignition
Vampix
K-Mail (Active-X)
K-FTP (Active-X)
etc.
--
It's almost worthless to solve a problem and only help one person doing it.

[Jeff Barnett]

On 10/22/2023 11:12 PM, Wally J wrote:
> It's almost worthless to solve a problem and only help one person doing it.

I'll tell the surgeons I know about the above. But don't you think they
might want to continue diagnosing and performing life-saving procedures
on individuals?
--
Jeff Barnett

[Wally J]

Wally J <walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote

> <<https://www.kcsoftwares.com/
>
> Termination notice
> KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
> All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
> Sales are stopped.

For the archives... so others benefit not only now, but well into the future
(your time and effort is only worth it if you help many others using that leverage).

C:\> for /F %i in ('dir /b *.exe') do certutil -hashfile %i SHA256 >> hash.txt
C:\> type hash.txt

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/sumo_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of sumo_lite.exe: 614158ae45025e2ac13a043c78d3a8147543d6efc6b51368182051100687b203

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/dumo_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of dumo_lite.exe: a05173a81745375cea6d060baace7ee80a88143b5ea2ea61976301a0fedc3e02

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kcleaner_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of kcleaner_lite.exe: 8dd407c78d80732d02fb6ddcff76349eef2405b6ee740104bca9c385ad6d456e

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/videoinspector_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of videoinspector_lite.exe: 68990a699298fe6357a7223a4366e083a382334531e1604ffb27c808f4589c7a

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/portexpert_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of portexpert_lite.exe: e24402a3a9c3dc47b5c736dae5d5849fa6fcf436717f7896e54537b1b47de80a

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/hdde_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of hdde_lite.exe: fb660d04bf75760c3a2d9680df3e17f842558eb842dd05e9bda0e4e0988d5464

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/ramexpert_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of ramexpert_lite.exe: 4938a057fefe6a7e57edad3bf130112839ffc5d33828d3a7336fd78dafde006c

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/IDPS_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of IDPS_lite.exe: 0ea0c6071516a8e3ac518ecec17a5d3abe7380416cdff235ea12f5515596981d

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/batexpert_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of batexpert_lite.exe: f4d3e165ad35bf529182b68d96a1f398075a45db944bd652b69a2669f43f7929

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/phototofilm_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of phototofilm_lite.exe: f623b0018a86cd6c692d832108493bc9969d5771c751f582d22005434da9f6ae

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kml.exe>
SHA256 hash of kml.exe: a3d807a6d81fbd2164a907a1ff63170fd5f881b247c1e43b9abacc1650ac84b6

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/dot11expert.exe>
SHA256 hash of dot11expert.exe: 445f4c2ae64e2e976f10c5a0b2ea37f213a46d126bf0798979c6a0e9327a3015

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/sus_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of sus_lite.exe: 538d2462dfd6f878563e51975170133c98650fed51b72fb798d77941ce4aa6e4

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/aphemo.exe>
SHA256 hash of aphemo.exe: 25995579c9c28727d7c86669696b1cd560174e2cde767a4c7d4b3b3d1c394cb0

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/ignition_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of ignition_lite.exe: 2670106377baf8225fddea579e05e69ed4cc00b8ddaab2ae2d2e18d9bd6becd8

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/zero_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of zero_lite.exe: 8798deac4615c53ebe14edd90bab54a8ae8611c514c3d0e3e36af7375ae348b4

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/vampix_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of vampix_lite.exe: abee7d8ecb8e7a03b39adc7261cc001e5f0272598f5fa3a572732f3ac484a9ba

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/avitoolbox_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of avitoolbox_lite.exe: b097898061b6741bdf82bc3accd0b1f1e394260568efb96ca8254e908fd948b2

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/audiograil_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of audiograil_lite.exe: a01de39aa3ea170c333ba80cc4073b6ce89f58275bebc18b9d8e8c75cdbf022d

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/masscert_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of masscert_lite.exe: 76954b87032c5f18955df4dae51f8f0121a21b7c2a4ed5c8520ed8e5fbd80dd7

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kfk_lite.exe>
SHA256 hash of kfk_lite.exe: 60d49ca990d7c21e839fc4194cc1cad4517c2c769b33a7ad5baa1cbc8420c43d

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kmail.exe>
SHA256 hash of kmail.exe: 207e77a60e0c1c2ead5cbf388b792b89dc18f4fbf15262c70ab6bb5a6c0b7a65

<https://kcsoftwares.com/files/kftp.exe>
SHA256 hash of kftp.exe: 0030e8a4273d124f0db66af10f8dd0959f55807640d103bc936c33858b0e6b43

The reason for documenting the hash is to note whether the files change over time.
--
The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

[Wally J]

Jeff Barnett <j...@notatt.com> wrote

I get your point, which is there is value helping just one person.
I don't disagree.

But there's MORE VALUE in spending the time to help many other people too.
Which is where it becomes worth the effort to document things in detail.

To document in detail to help one person isn't worth the effort usually.
Unless that one person has done the same amount of effort to help you.

Which happens with some people, like Paul, Herbert Kleebauer & the like.
But most people don't even give you the time of day in a Usenet post.

To help them isn't worth a lot of effort unless we also help everyone else.
That's the trick.

It's why I write extensive tutorials (so many, that I can't count them).

If I'm going to spend my valuable time documenting a solution, it's not
worth my effort to help only one person. That's why I use archived ngs.

Unfortunately, the Windows archives suck, even as I've tried using them.
<http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>
<http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/>

So I strive to add newsgroups which are autoarchived & web searchable:
<http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>

Even though nobody actually uses that group - the archive is what matters.
Anyone can search that archive now or ten or twenty years from now.

That's leverage if they find our tutorials useful two decades from now.

Note I'm well aware most people are on Usenet merely for their amusement.
I'm not.

[VanguardLH]

Unclear that means their web site and downloads will cease to exist.
I've downloaded lots of unsupported software, but the site remained and
the downloads were still available, or the software was available
elsewhere (e.g., download sites). Not sure "activities are to be
terminated" means they'll yank their web site, but there would still be
the costs of web hosting and bandwidth (at ovh.com), and they obviously
would not be generating new revenue to offset those costs.

They give their company address as "31190 AUTERIVE FRANCE". I wanted to
see if street view in Google Maps would show if it was a residence or
commercial building; however, without a street name, the street view
can't show the location. With the GPDR fucking up domain registrant
info, a WhoIS on kcsoftwares.com is severely redacted. Anyone can
visit, but God forbid anyone knows to who they connect.

[T]

On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:
> I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo

Thank you for the heads up!!!!

I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.

You have a favorite replacement?

[T]

SUMo has agreements with software provide to keep him
apprised of versions updates. This will vanish.
Sumo will be worthless after that.

[VanguardLH]

T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Wally J <walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
>>> to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this
>>> notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
>>> <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/
>>>
>>> Termination notice
>>> KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
>>> All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
>>> Sales are stopped.
>>

>> Unclear that means their web site and downloads will cease to exist.
>

> SUMo has agreements with software provide to keep him
> apprised of versions updates. This will vanish.
> Sumo will be worthless after that.

If kcsoftwares.com is a download site of software by others, couldn't
you get SUMo from whomever is its author? When I search on "sumo" at
other download sites (e.g., softpedia.com, majorgeeks.com), they list
KCsoftwares as the developer. Can't see why KC would have to keep KC
appraised of new versions of SUMo. Looks like KC is going out of
business hence all its software will become unsupported which does not
mandate it is worthless. Well, except for this product of theirs, yes.

As for SUMo, and its ilk, I've never found nagware to be of much value.
I don't want something nagging me there is a new version. I disable
hardware updates in Windows, and auto-updates in programs. I've also
disabled WU, so no updates to Windows until I'm ready (have the
motivation, have the time, saved a full image backup). There are lots
of software update naggers. I don't use any of them. I do use
CCleaner, but never use its update check features (one for drivers,
another for software).

New code may fix old bugs, but it also introduces new bugs. Plus you
let someone else choose if and when to change the state of your
computer. The update checkers usually ask for your permission, but
considering who uses these means they will blindly opt to update without
ever checking what fixes, if any, will effect their use of the software.
These tools are second to using registry cleaners: most the same blithe
users use those, too.

[VanguardLH]

If their "termination" means their site gets killed, all these URLs
archived into Usenet will become unusable.

[T]

On 10/23/23 17:59, VanguardLH wrote:
> As for SUMo, and its ilk, I've never found nagware to be of much value.

Me neither.

I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved". I do
not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
no improvements".

Problem: revision nagware is required for PCI (Payment
Card Industry) Certification. SUMo did a wonderful job
and was each for the users to run their weekly tests.
(I only upgraded the red ones [criticals] as required
by PCI-DSS SAQ-C.)

[T]

On 10/22/23 22:12, Wally J wrote:

> I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site to give
> him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this notice
> that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
> <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/

This is the almost impossible to find download URL
for SUMo that I have used for years:

https://www.kcsoftwares.com/?download

[Big Al]

In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC.
https://patchmypc.com/home-updater
--
Linux Mint 21.2 Cinnamon
Al

[T]

Hi Al,

That one sound better than any of the other I found.
on:

https://alternativeto.net/software/sumo/?p=2

It sounds like I can do automatically or manual updates.

And it ranks the updates (criticals, etc.) which is
what I need.

Thank you!

-T

[Wally J]

VanguardLH <V...@nguard.LH> wrote

>> The reason for documenting the hash is to note whether the files change over time.
>
> If their "termination" means their site gets killed, all these URLs
> archived into Usenet will become unusable.

Hi Vanguard,

Um... er... please spend a moment to give me some credit for not being
stupid as that's _exactly_ why I provided the hash in the first place.

If the site disappears, but if the software shows up somewhere else ten
years from now (and it will) how do you know if it's the _same_ software?

If you trust my hash - then you know the answer but w/o it, you don't know.

And the URL also has value - because it makes it easy for anyone else to
click on it to obtain the files instantly - which is why I provided it.

The URL is to allow anyone on this newsgroup to get the software easily
(please note that I almost _always_ go to the trouble to provide the URL).

Please give me credit for not being stupid like most people seem to be
& for thinking ahead on why I provided not only the URL, but also the hash.

[Wally J]

T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote

>> As for SUMo, and its ilk, I've never found nagware to be of much value.
>
> Me neither.
>
> I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved". I do
> not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
> no improvements".

Regarding the two valid observations both T & Vanguard bring up...
a. *What happens after October 31st 2023*?
b. T & Vanguard don't like nagware which they consider SUMO to be

Regarding the first issue, I think nobody knows yet what will happen.

That's why you kind of want to get the software now, before the 31st.
Which is why I provided the URLs (to make that process easy for you).

And if you read this ten years from now in the archives, that's why I
provided the hash (so that you know if it's the same software or not).

Regarding the second issue, there were two dozen executables listed.
SUMO is just one of those two dozen utilities.
<https://kcsoftwares.com/?sumo>
"SUMo (Software Update Monitor) keeps your PC up-to-date & safe
by using the most recent version of your favorite software !
Unlike built-in auto update features, SUMo tells you if updates
are available before you need to use your software."

Personally, I don't use SUMO; but I used DUMO in the past for drivers.
<https://kcsoftwares.com/?dumo>
"DUMo (Drivers Update Monitor) keeps your PC up-to-date & safe by
using the most recent version of required hardware drivers!"

Last time I used it for debugging crashes it told me the delta between my
current driver setup (for about a dozen drivers) which I found useful.

It did not automatically update the drivers as I think that costs money.
But it gave me the exact subversions and the links to the driver files.

Note that DUMO often found a _newer_ driver than Windows update found.
--
No sense doing a lot of work on Usenet if the answer isn't leveraged to
others, now & well into the future - using basic autoarchival capabilities.

[Wally J]

T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote

>>> I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.
>>>
>>> You have a favorite replacement?
>>>
>> In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC.
>> https://patchmypc.com/home-updater
>
> Hi Al,
>
> That one sound better than any of the other I found.
> on:
>
> https://alternativeto.net/software/sumo/?p=2
>
> It sounds like I can do automatically or manual updates.
>
> And it ranks the updates (criticals, etc.) which is
> what I need.

Wow. I love Usenet!

This purposefully helpful discussion is the beauty of Usenet!

You find people who can tell you things that you never knew before.
<https://i.postimg.cc/NjT62Fvt/patchmypc01.jpg> initial reporting
<https://i.postimg.cc/x84vMbdf/patchmypc02.jpg> downloading installers

To further add value, I ran the program once (it's still running),
where I output the following into my log file and export it to you.

I do that so that you can skim this log file in seconds to find out
whether or not you want to download and run the program.

Note that you'll want to make some judicious settings _before_ you
run it as you can download all installers instead of installing them!

It takes only one person to run it & report what it does to
help everyone have a better idea if they want to use it.

So my payback for cluing me in is to simply run & report results.

<https://patchmypc.com/home-updater#download>
<https://patchmypc.com/freeupdater/PatchMyPC.exe>
Name: PatchMyPC.exe
Size: 2596472 bytes (2535 KiB)
SHA256: D5A2DDBA0EE5C577268D69BBC129046D48F36C8306C8A57D4F6B2E2DED193202

Where should it go?
I already have C:\archive\cleaner\{duplicate,uninstall,update,vaccine}

So let's put it there, where it belongs.
Note: I called it "update" but I'll use "updater" below for readability.
And I'll use plurals, again, only for easy user readability on Usenet.

Installer archive:
C:\archives\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\PatchMyPC.exe
Installed into:
cp that executable to C:\apps\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\.
Menu:
C:\apps\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc.lnk
Database:
Change the "cache" in the PatchMyPC "Options" to where it belongs.
C:\data\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\cache
Likewise with the "log" file location, putting it where it belongs.
C:\data\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\logs

<https://patchmypc.com/home-updater>
"Free Patch Management for your home environment"
"When you open Patch My PC Updater, it will scan your system
for outdated programs.
Outdated programs will be shown in ¡V Red
Updated programs will be shown in ¡V Green
Not-installed programs will be shown in ¡V Black"

What Are The System Requirements?
Microsoft .NET Framework 4.5
Internet access

a. Press network killswitch icon in the taskbar
b. Run patchmypc.exe
"Connection Error
Unable to connection [sic] to patchmypc.com.
Please verify you have internet connection And [sic]
try to browse to https://patchmypc.com
Error Message: The remote name could not be resolved:
'patchmypc.com'"
c. Press the network killswitch shortcut & run again
d. It's _not_ an installer; it's the executable!
PatchMyPC.exe version 4.5.0.4
e. Copy the executable to where it belongs
copy patchmypc.exe c:\apps\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\.
f. Create a shortcut to place in your taskbar pullout menu
copy patchmypc.lnk c:\menus\cleaners\updaters\.
g. Run patchmypc while on the net & set a few "Options"
[x]Don't delete app installer files
[x]Enable download only mode
[x]Enable IT Pro Caching Mode
Log=C:\data\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\logs\
Cache=C:\data\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\cache\
etc.

In my single test above, patchmypc downloaded the installers
for dozens of my apps (which I normally do not bother updating).

All the installers went into this specific named location.
C:\apps\cleaners\updaters\patchmypc\PatchMyPCITProCache\.
The log file containing the full URLs went into here.
C:\app\cleaner\updater\patchmypc\log\PatchMyPC.log

Here are just the first three entries to that ongoing log file.

10/24/2023 2:50:55 AM - Download URL: https://www.7-zip.org/a/7z2301-x64.exe
10/24/2023 2:50:55 AM - Download Path: C:\app\cleaner\updater\patchmypc\PatchMyPCITProCache\7-Zip 23.01 (x64).exe
10/24/2023 2:50:55 AM - Download size: 1.52 MB
10/24/2023 2:50:55 AM - Download Starting for: https://www.7-zip.org/a/7z2301-x64.exe
10/24/2023 2:50:55 AM - Downloading: 7-Zip 23.01 (x64) (1.52 MB)
10/24/2023 2:51:01 AM - Total download time in seconds: 5.58
10/24/2023 2:51:01 AM - 7-Zip 23.01 (x64) Downloaded Successfully

10/24/2023 2:51:01 AM - Download only mode enabled skipping install

10/24/2023 2:51:03 AM - Download URL: https://www.advanceduninstaller.com/soft/uninstaller/Advanced_Uninstaller13.exe
10/24/2023 2:51:03 AM - Download Path: C:\app\cleaner\updater\patchmypc\PatchMyPCITProCache\Advanced Uninstaller PRO 13.26.0.68.exe
10/24/2023 2:51:03 AM - Download size: 11.69 MB
10/24/2023 2:51:03 AM - Download Starting for: https://www.advanceduninstaller.com/soft/uninstaller/Advanced_Uninstaller13.exe
10/24/2023 2:51:03 AM - Downloading: Advanced Uninstaller PRO 13.26.0.68 (11.69 MB)
10/24/2023 2:51:19 AM - Total download time in seconds: 15.89
10/24/2023 2:51:19 AM - Advanced Uninstaller PRO 13.26.0.68 Downloaded Successfully

10/24/2023 2:51:19 AM - Download only mode enabled skipping install

10/24/2023 2:51:21 AM - Download URL: https://mirror.clarkson.edu/blender/release/Blender3.6/blender-3.6.5-windows-x64.msi
10/24/2023 2:51:21 AM - Download Path: C:\app\cleaner\updater\patchmypc\PatchMyPCITProCache\Blender 3.6.5.msi
10/24/2023 2:51:21 AM - Download size: 305.86 MB
10/24/2023 2:51:21 AM - Download Starting for: https://mirror.clarkson.edu/blender/release/Blender3.6/blender-3.6.5-windows-x64.msi
10/24/2023 2:51:21 AM - Downloading: Blender 3.6.5 (305.86 MB)
10/24/2023 2:56:21 AM - Total download time in seconds: 299.94
10/24/2023 2:56:21 AM - Blender 3.6.5 Downloaded Successfully

10/24/2023 2:56:21 AM - Download only mode enabled skipping install
etc.

Supported product list:

Adobe Acrobat Reader DC
Adobe Air
Advanced IP Scanner
Advanced SystemCare
Advanced Uninstaller PRO
AIMP
Amazon Music
Angry IP Scanner
AnyDesk
Atom
Audacity
Auslogics Disk Defrag
AutoHotkey
Autorun Organizer
Avast Free Antivirus
AVG Free Antivirus
Bandizip
Bitdefender Anti-Ransomware
BleachBit
Blender
BOINC
Brackets
Brave
CamStudio
Calibre
CCleaner
CDBurnerXP
Classic Shell
CMake
Code::Blocks
Copy Handler
Core FTP LE
CPU-Z
CrystalDiskInfo
CrystalDiskMark
DavMail
Discord
DiskCheckup
DoNotSpy11
Driver Booster
Driver Easy
Dropbox
EA App
EditPad Lite
eM Client
eMule
Etcher
Evernote
Everything
Exact Audio Copy
FastStone Image Viewer
FileZilla Client
Foobar2000
Foxit Reader
Free Studio
Freemake Video Converter
Freeplane
Frhed
GIMP
Git
GitHub Desktop
Glary Utilities
GlassWire
GOG Galaxy
GOM Player
Google Backup & Sync
Google Chrome
Google Earth Pro
Gpg4win
Greenshot
HandBrake
HashTab
Heidi Eraser
HostsMan
Hotspot Shield
HWiNFO32
HWiNFO64
HWMonitor
iCloud
ImageGlass
ImgBurn
Inkscape
IObit Malware Fighter
IObit Smart Defrag
IObit Uninstaller
IrFanView
iTunes
Java 8 (JRE) (x64)
Java 8 (JRE) (x86)
jetAudio Basic
K-Lite Mega Codec Pack
KC Softwares SUMo
KeePass
LibreCAD
LibreOffice
LMMS
Logitech SetPoint
Malwarebytes
Maxthon
Media Monkey
Media Player Classic ¡V Home Cinema
MediaInfo
Microsoft Visual C++ 2015-2022 Redistributable (x86)
Microsoft Visual C++ 2015-2022 Redistributable (x64)
MKVToolNix
Mozilla Firefox
Mozilla Firefox ESR
Mozilla Thunderbird
MP3Tag
mRemoteNG
MSI Afterburner
Multi Commander
MyPhoneExplorer
Mumble
MusicBee
MusicBrainz Picard
Nextcloud
NotePad++
NoteTab Light
NVDA Screen Reader
Nvidia Physx
OBS Studio
OpenOffice
OpenShot Video Editor
OpenVPN
Opera
OwnCloud
Paint.NET
Pale Moon
PDFedit
PDF Split and Merge
PDF-XChange Viewer
PDF-XChange Editor
PeaZip
PicPick
Pidgin
PNotes
PotPlayer
Privacy Eraser
PrivaZer
Process Hacker
Process Lasso
Progress Telerik ¡§Fiddler¡§
ProtonVPN
PureSync
PuTTY
qBittorrent
Reg Organizer
Registry Life
Resilio Sync
Revo Uninstaller
RogueKiller
RStudio
SABnzbd
Samsung Kies 3
SandBoxie
SFXMaker
ShareX
Simple System Tweaker
Skype
SMPlayer
Soft Organizer
SpeedCrunch
Spybot: Search & Destroy
Steam
Stereoscopic Player
Subtitle Edit
SumatraPDF
SUPERAntiSpyware
SyncBackFree
TeamSpeak 3 Client
TeamViewer
Telegram
TeraCopy
TortoiseSVN
TreeSize Free
Ubisoft Connect
Ultra Defragmenter
UltraSearch
Unchecky
Unlocker
Viber
Virtual Box
Visual Studio Code
Vivaldi
VLC Media Player
VMware Horizon Client
VNC Server
VNC Viewer
Waterfox
WhatsApp
WhoCrashed
Winaero Tweaker
WinAMP
WinDirStat
Windows Repair
Windscribe
WinMerge
WinRAR
WinSCP
WinUAE
Wireshark
Wise Care 365
Wise Disk Cleaner
Wise Folder Hider
Wise Program Uninstaller
Wise Registry Cleaner
WorldWide Telescope
WPS Office
XMedia Recode
XnView
XnViewMP
Xperia Companion
Zoner Photo Studio
Zotero
List of Portable Products:
AdwCleaner
AeroAdmin
AnyDesk
AS SSD Benchmark
BitDefender USB Immunizer
CCleaner
ComboFix
Defraggler
DesktopOK (x86)
DesktopOK (x64)
Display Driver Uninstaller
DOSBox
DShutdown
Geek Uninstaller
GPU-Z
InSpectre
Kaspersky TDSSKiller
O&O Shutup10
Recuva
RKill
RogueKiller (x86)
RogueKiller (x64)
Rufus
Speccy
SpeedyFox
Subtitle Workshop
Sysinternals Suite
Tor Browser
Ultimate Windows Tweaker
Windows Repair
Windows Update MiniTool
WSUS Offline Updates
360 Total Security
7-Zip
8 Gadget Pack

[T]

Hi Wally,

In the Linux world, hashes are always provided. I also
noticed that when downloading a Windows installer ISO,
M$ has starting to provide hashes as well. It is a
capitol idea. I did not think anything of yours when
I saw it, just that it looked professional.

-T

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-10-23 08:14, Wally J wrote:

...

> It's why I write extensive tutorials (so many, that I can't count them).
>
> If I'm going to spend my valuable time documenting a solution, it's not
> worth my effort to help only one person. That's why I use archived ngs.
>
> Unfortunately, the Windows archives suck, even as I've tried using them.
> <http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>
> <http://alt.comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/>
>
> So I strive to add newsgroups which are autoarchived & web searchable:
> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.microsoft.windows>
>
> Even though nobody actually uses that group - the archive is what matters.
> Anyone can search that archive now or ten or twenty years from now.
>
> That's leverage if they find our tutorials useful two decades from now.

Arlen, the way you are doing it is a waste of time.

Me, for instance, am reading this on alt.comp.os.windows-10, and the
oldest article I can read today is dated 2020-09-07. I do not search on
the sites you mentioned, I search here.

If you want to post useful tutorials, create or find a website to host
them, and post them there, properly edited and indexed.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[Big Al]

On 10/24/23 03:17 AM, this is what Wally J wrote:
> T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>
>>>> I use Sumo a lot on customer's PCI compliant machines.
>>>>
>>>> You have a favorite replacement?
>>>>
>>> In my quick 2 second look, if I read Sumo right, it's much like PatchmyPC.
>>> https://patchmypc.com/home-updater
>>
>> Hi Al,
>>
>> That one sound better than any of the other I found.
>> on:
>>
>> https://alternativeto.net/software/sumo/?p=2
>>
>> It sounds like I can do automatically or manual updates.
>>
>> And it ranks the updates (criticals, etc.) which is
>> what I need.
>
> Wow. I love Usenet!
>

<snip TL;DR>
>

Patch My PC HAS to connect to the internet to check for updates to itself and check all your found installed software
for new versions.

[VanguardLH]

Big Al <Be...@invalid.com> wrote:

> Patch My PC HAS to connect to the internet to check for updates to
> itself and check all your found installed software for new versions.

https://www.ghacks.net/2015/07/07/sumo-4-and-new-pro-version-released/
"Hit the check button to check all programs for updates. Please note
that these checks require an activate Internet connection."

It has to find out what are the latest versions from somewhere. Could
be a local database that has to get updated to reflect new software
versions available since the prior database download. Could be it
connects to a server with a list of your software inventory to query the
server for what are the latest versions.

SUMo needed Internet access to acquire updates (to itself, or for
lookups). With KCsoftwares ceasing operations, SUMo is going to get out
of date.

There is a Pro payware version. Wonder if its servers will still be
around to fulfill the license terms.

https://www.ghacks.net/2023/09/11/kc-softwares-maker-of-sumo-and-other-apps-is-shutting-down/
"he EOL data means that products that rely on server connectivity, such
as SUMO or DUMO, will stop working, once the server architecture is shut
down."

[Wally J]

Big Al <Be...@invalid.com> wrote

> Patch My PC HAS to connect to the internet to check for updates
> to itself and check all your found installed software
> for new versions.

Not really. It could pop up the GUI first, and _then_ connect to the
Internet only after you press a "Go get 'em!" button (like TBB does).

When I install an app, it gets a one-strike-you're-out criteria (which most
fail) but this PatchMyPC is a keeper already...

Thanks for suggesting it so that everyone benefits from your knowledge.

First off, PatchMyPC is a _great_ program because it grabs dozens of
installers and saves them into a single location for you to choose.

PatchMyPC also provides the URL to those installers, and, if desired,
PatchMyPC will install the updates (which is the part I didn't test).

Secondly, PatchMyPC.exe is the executable program - where I had _thought_
it was a stub installer because it was so small - but it's the program.

The only thing I could fault PatchMyPC is that I'd prefer the GUI pop up so
that I can set some of the settings _without_ having to be on the Internet.

But nothing happens unless you're on the Internet - which is kind of wrong.
It should be like any other program that connects to the Internet.
a. First you start the GUI
b. Then you can tweak whatever settings you want to change
c. Then you can press the "connect now" button to connect to the net.

Still, if that's the only flaw to complain about, it's a damn good app!
Looks like it was mentioned in 22 threads on a.c.f since 5/28/2012...
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/search?q=patchmypc>

First hit on a.c.f in 2012...
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/_53bzlsAhF4/>

There are other similar programs which have been suggested, e.g.,
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/yYGvFZSHOjc/>
That thread has Poutnik suggesting "Secunia" for example...
<http://secunia.com/vulnerability_scanning/personal/>

[Wally J]

"Carlos E. R." <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote

> the way you are doing it is a waste of time.

Hi Carlos,

What you need to understand is I'm not like most people, much as Paul &
Vanguard & Stan Brown & Herbert Kleebauer aren't like most people are.

You are like most people. I am not and they are not.
You need to comprehend this distinction.

For example, I write so many tutorials posted to Usenet that I can't even
count them, as just one example of doing what almost nobody else will do.

However, Paul writes excellently detailed and researched answers too.
As does Vanguard (although Vanguard jumps to many unwarranted conclusions,
at least Vanguard is trying to be purposefully helpful by adding data).

Herbert Kleebauer writes entire batch files that I use daily, much like
Marek Novotny did, may he rest in peace - where I use Herbert's zone
changer, and scrcpy command religiously every single day of my life now.

Stan Brown and Andy Burns are much like many other highly intelligent
people who write insightful responses - even as they're usually succinct.

You, Carlos, on the other hand, are much like Joerg Lorenz and Alan Baker
and Frank Slootweg and many of the others who don't know how to add value.

Hence you can say "I'm doing it wrong", but you're not even doing it.
Big difference me being down on the field and you the armchair QB Carlos.

Here's what I do to disseminate my added value, for example...
a. I read a users' question (or I write my own question)
b. I spend a _lot_ of energy documenting a solution
c. I then ensure that energy is archived in the permanent archives

These permanent archives are available to _everyone_ on the planet.

For example someone could know nothing about Usenet and still search
<http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>

> Me, for instance, am reading this on alt.comp.os.windows-10, and the
> oldest article I can read today is dated 2020-09-07. I do not search on
> the sites you mentioned, I search here.

I just found alt.comp.freeware articles on PatchMyPC dating to 2012,
the point being anyone on the planet can run a search using these URLs.
<http://groups.google.com/g/comp.periphs.printers>

> If you want to post useful tutorials, create or find a website to host
> them, and post them there, properly edited and indexed.

I have posted so many tutorials to so many websites, I can't count them.

Just look here, for example, in XDA Developers, to find a bunch of them.
<https://xdaforums.com/m/galaxya325g.11604613/recent-content>

The whole goal of writing this stuff is to disseminate the knowledge,
where what I probably should do is write for a tech magazine which has a
wider audience and where I can spend the time to write better material.

[T]

On 10/24/23 17:19, Wally J wrote:
> c. I then ensure that energy is archived in the permanent archives These
> permanent archives are available to _everyone_ on the planet.

Hi Wally,

Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?

I was under the impression that this newsgroup was
not archived anywhere.

-T

[Wally J]

T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote

> Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?
>
> I was under the impression that this newsgroup was
> not archived anywhere.

Hi T,

That impression is wrong as this newsgroup _is_ archived somewhere.

I know this because not only am I different than most people who post to
Usenet, but I personally _created_ many of the easy-to-remember URLs.

However... there is more to the value of an archive than just the data.

The automatic archive is only 1/3rd the problem set which consists of:
a. Automatic archival of every thread & every post (in a timely manner)
b. Easy access (specifically sans account/login/software requirements!)
c. Efficient search & retrieval based on keywords (usually via a browser)

If you recall Carlos' statement that his nntp server provides archives back
a few years, but that he has to pay them for the access privileges...
you'll see why it's _important_ that the archives be available to everyone
on the planet who has a web browser and Internet access & nothing else.

The archives need to be easily remembered though, which is why I created
the tinyurl links to the previously horribly long Google archival URIs.

We covered this in many threads over the years, where I personally created
the tinyurl's to many of the newsgroups to make archives more accessible.
WINDOWS: <http://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-os-windows-10>
FREEWARE: <https://tinyurl.com/alt-comp-freeware>
PRINTERS: <https://tinyurl.com/comp-periphs-printers>

Of the three newsgroups listed in the header, all are auto-archived.
WINDOWS: <https://comp.os.windows-10.narkive.com/>
FREEWARE: <https://alt.comp.freeware.narkive.com/>
PRINTERS: <https://comp.periphs.printers.narkive.com/>

But only two of the newsgroups have an archive that is from DejaNews' db.
WINDOWS: <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.os.microsoft.windows>
FREEWARE: <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>
PRINTERS: <http://groups.google.com/g/comp.periphs.printers>

Bear in mind I spent scores of hours communicating with the powers that be
at Google, as did others (I think Andy Burns tried, for example), to get
them to autoarchive the Windows newsgroup that most of us use daily.

The best I was able to accomplish was to get Google to _simplify_ the
newsgroup URL to the letter "g", which doesn't seem like much of an
accomplishment but if you saw the way they did it prior, you would thank me
for my extensive efforts to boil down a crazy-long URL to the letter "g".

Hope this answers your question where I provided more detail and specific
links so that my extensive efforts to help you *also* help many others.
--
Working alone we are not much use but working together we are powerful!

[T]

On 10/23/23 19:44, Big Al wrote:

Patchmy PC evaluation:

1) not a thorough as SUMo. Misses driver that are out of date (AMS)

2) worky interface

3) does not differentiate critical for just out of date

Basically, sort of good, but I will continue looking for better.

[VanguardLH]

Hopefully that is a [portable] tool that just you uses to check for
updates, and you don't leave it on the customers computer for them to
fuck up on deciding if and what to update.

[Charlie]

T said SUMo "misses drivers" that are out of date but that's not what SUMo
is for. Instead DUMo is what is used to find drivers which are out of date.

[T]

They would not know how. And they can't find where I put
my utilities. It is not hard, they just don't know how
to use the file system.

SUMo wrote me this:

> Hello,
>
> After about 20 years of a fantastic adventure, and due to the general context, we have taken the decision to stop. Several good alternatives are on the market... but we hope you enjoyed our products up to now.
>
> Products will reach EOL, which means that they will stop to work quickly after this date, depending on the progressive decommissioning of the server architecture. As indicated on our "buy" page, the product (and activation licence) "lifetime" ends at EOL https://kcsoftwares.com/?buy
>
> While SUMo was an "aged" product, based on technology from 2 decades ago, I'm confident that the developper's community will soon come with a better, more modern, future-proof alternative.
>
> Of course I could quote one of the many good updaters on the market : UCheck, VulnDetect, PatchMyPC, WingetUI, UpdateHub, Chocolatey, Scoop and certainly more.
>
> Some other actors of this market (such as UCheck CEO) are already monitoring this : https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/sumo-keep-your-software-up-to-date.314623/page-197#post-3162762
>
> I hope you enjoyed SUMo and that it has been a useful software for you up to now.

PatchMyPC does not show "critical" updates.

I am researching UCheck and VulnDetect.

You have any suggestions?

[Wally J]

T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote

> SUMo wrote me this:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> After about 20 years of a fantastic adventure, and due to the general context,
>> we have taken the decision to stop. Several good alternatives are on the market...
>> but we hope you enjoyed our products up to now.
>>
>> Products will reach EOL, which means that they will stop to work quickly
>> after this date, depending on the progressive decommissioning of the server
>> architecture. As indicated on our "buy" page, the product (and activation licence)
>> "lifetime" ends at EOL https://kcsoftwares.com/?buy
>>
>> While SUMo was an "aged" product, based on technology from 2 decades ago,
>> I'm confident that the developper's community will soon come with a better,
>> more modern, future-proof alternative.
>>
>> Of course I could quote one of the many good updaters on the market
>> UCheck, VulnDetect, PatchMyPC, WingetUI, UpdateHub, Chocolatey, Scoop
>> and certainly more.
>>
>> Some other actors of this market (such as UCheck CEO) are already
>> monitoring this :
>> https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/sumo-keep-your-software-up-to-date.314623/page-197#post-3162762
>>
>> I hope you enjoyed SUMo and that it has been a useful software for you up to now.

Thank you for unearthing from the KC Softwares team the alternatives.

UCheck, VulnDetect, PatchMyPC, WingetUI, UpdateHub, Chocolatey, Scoop

<https://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/sumo-keep-your-software-up-to-date.314623/page-197#post-3162762>

So that others don't have to go through the sheer hell I just went through,
here is my download log which I provide to you for you to further improve
(so that everyone benefits from our sequential actions working together).

In alphabetical order...
C:\> cd C:\software\updaters\.
C:\> mkdir {chocolatey,patchmypc,scoop,ucheck,updatehub,vulndetect,wingetui}

*chocolatey* v2.2.2
"Chocolatey is the package manager for Windows (like apt-get for Windows)"
<https://chocolatey.org/products/#foss>
<https://chocolatey.org/install>
<https://community.chocolatey.org/>
<https://community.chocolatey.org/packages>
<https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/chocolatey>
<https://packages.chocolatey.org/chocolatey.2.2.2.nupkg>
Name: chocolatey.2.2.2.nupkg
Size: 5243268 bytes (5120 KiB)
SHA256: 4E1ACBDAC571719F90B2566566668C448A20074E7C2E3FAA37251C62AF4EFD86

*patchmypc*
"Simplify third-party patching on your home PC"

<https://patchmypc.com/home-updater#download>
<https://patchmypc.com/freeupdater/PatchMyPC.exe>
Name: PatchMyPC.exe
Size: 2596472 bytes (2535 KiB)
SHA256: D5A2DDBA0EE5C577268D69BBC129046D48F36C8306C8A57D4F6B2E2DED193202

*scoop*
"Scoop is a command-line installer for Windows."
<https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Scoop>
<https://www.makeuseof.com/windows-install-scoop/>
PS:> iwr -useb get.scoop.sh | iex
Running the installer as administrator is disabled by default,
see https://github.com/ScoopInstaller/Install#for-admin for details.
PowerShell requires an execution policy in [Unrestricted, RemoteSigned, ByPass]
to run Scoop. For example, to set the execution policy to 'RemoteSigned'
please run 'Set-ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned -Scope CurrentUser'.
PS:> Set-ExecutionPolicy RemoteSigned -Scope CurrentUser
Initializing...
Downloading ...
Extracting...
Creating shim...
Adding ~\scoop\shims to your path.
Scoop was installed successfully!
Type 'scoop help' for instructions.
PS:> scoop uninstall scoop
WARN This will uninstall Scoop and all the programs that have been installed with Scoop!
Are you sure? (yN): Y
Removing ~\scoop\shims from your path.
Scoop has been uninstalled.

*ucheck*
"Free,Scan,Install Updates,Uninstall Software,Personal Use Only:
<https://www.adlice.com/ucheck/>
<https://download.adlice.com/api?action=download&app=ucheck&type=setup>
<https://cloud.adlice.com/owncloud/index.php/s/zhvgtK8oXyJ6Gru/download?path=5.0.3&files=UCheck_setup.exe>
Name: UCheck_setup.exe
Size: 31352920 bytes (29 MiB)
SHA256: A9A841480CC0850174FEF45F50C2B5D4B75DF97A2E0EF22B4EB25C65B86391AC

*updatehub*
"UpdateHub simplifies the process of updating software on your computer."
<https://ghacks.net/2023/07/24/update-all-windows-programs-with-updatehub/>
<https://www.neowin.net/software/updatehub---quickly-update-os-and-software-apps/>
<https://www.neowin.net/software/updatehub-210---simplified-pc-software-updates/>
<https://github.com/KK-Designs/UpdateHub/releases>
<https://github.com/KK-Designs/UpdateHub/releases/download/v2.2.3/UpdateHub-x64.exe>
Name: UpdateHub-x64.exe
Size: 69234472 bytes (66 MiB)
SHA256: 80A081B63FAC71E96930C24C342ED51A184E9BCA964633D7D898B07B82F90B92

*vulndetect*
"An alternative to the long lost Secunia PSI"
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/finding-a-software-updater-to-replace-secunias-psi/>
<https://vulndetect.org/>
<https://vulndetect.com/dl/secteerSetup.exe>
Name: secteerSetup.exe
Size: 2180544 bytes (2129 KiB)
SHA256: 2A7F91BA248637F26D3CC5976F4456D245427D50D05EB466541A4E3666211E19

*wingetui*
"A user interface for the most common CLI Win10/Win11 package managers."
<https://www.marticliment.com/wingetui/help/install/>
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/wingetui.mirror/>
<https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI>
<https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI/releases>
<https://github.com/marticliment/WingetUI/releases/download/2.1.1/WingetUI.Installer.exe>
Name: WingetUI.Installer.exe
Size: 63997848 bytes (61 MiB)
SHA256: 1EE9C17C2C8C1A16EC7F83DFF61CFCBA83A8F6164E0C6490D93042D76FFC73AA

As always, this is presented to save others' time and effort,
since they can now simply click on the URLs I've provided from T's information.

The hope is that they will _add value_ to what T started,
which is replacement apps for Sumo/Dumo in particular.
--
If one person does a chunk of the work, everyone benefits, which frees them
to do the next chunk of work, where everyone benefits with each improvement.

[Carlos E. R.]

Well, they are kept somewhere, sometimes. No warranties. Only as long as
someone wants to keep paying the maintenance. Then, seeking for
information about something is very hard, as those archives keep
everything, including the trolling and spamming, and all the chatting.

Thinking that you can write some document and leave it here for the
future is simply ridiculous. It doesn't work.

Now somekind of blog or documentation site, properly indexed, would be nice.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[T]

On 10/27/23 01:17, T wrote:
> I am researching UCheck and VulnDetect.

UCheck has a bad loyout. It is not the table layout the
SUMo has. And it seems to only catch "community"
software. No "critical" detection. It is kind
of a joke.

VulnDetect has a weird local and web interface. But
it works. It does catch criticals. It also demands
to be run automatically. You can set when. Also
it has a mechanism to add tested software to the list.

Neither one matches SUMo in capability. VulnDetect comes
the closest with its ability to add software to the tests.
Or you can request it. I do not know if you will get
ghosted or not.

[Wally J]

T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote

> UCheck has a bad loyout. It is not the table layout the
> SUMo has. And it seems to only catch "community"
> software. No "critical" detection. It is kind
> of a joke.
>
> VulnDetect has a weird local and web interface. But
> it works. It does catch criticals. It also demands
> to be run automatically. You can set when. Also
> it has a mechanism to add tested software to the list.
>
> Neither one matches SUMo in capability.

I'm agreeing, from the little that I learned when I downloaded all the
suggested packages that _none_ of them "replace" what SUMO/DUMO did.

At least not the same way.

Of the following suggested apps, you've tested some & I downloaded all.
Alphabetically, here's a quick summary based on yours and my quicktests.


1. *chocolatey* v2.2.2
"Chocolatey is a package manager for Windows (like apt-get for Windows)"
Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

2. *patchmypc*

"Simplify third-party patching on your home PC"

It covers "some" of what Sumo did but misses many apps too.

3. *scoop*

"Scoop is a command-line installer for Windows."

Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

4. *ucheck*

"Free,Scan,Install Updates,Uninstall Software,Personal Use Only:

UCheck has a bad loyout. It is not the table layout the SUMo has.
And it seems to only catch "community" software.
No "critical" detection. It is kind of a joke.

5. *updatehub*
"UpdateHub simplifies the software update process."
Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

6. *vulndetect*

"An alternative to the long lost Secunia PSI"

VulnDetect has a weird local and web interface. But
it works. It does catch criticals. It also demands
to be run automatically. You can set when. Also
it has a mechanism to add tested software to the list.

7. *wingetui*

"A user interface for the most common CLI Win10/Win11 package managers."

Which means it's not at all the same thing as Sumo/Dumo (AFAICT).

I hope others pitch in so that we find a suitable alternative to the
about-to-be-deprecated Sumo/Dumo software/driver update utilities.

[Wally J]

"Carlos E. R." <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote

>> Do the "tips" I occasionally write also get archived?
>>
>> I was under the impression that this newsgroup was
>> not archived anywhere.
>
> Well, they are kept somewhere, sometimes. No warranties. Only as long as
> someone wants to keep paying the maintenance. Then, seeking for
> information about something is very hard, as those archives keep
> everything, including the trolling and spamming, and all the chatting.
>
> Thinking that you can write some document and leave it here for the
> future is simply ridiculous. It doesn't work.
>
> Now somekind of blog or documentation site, properly indexed, would be nice.

Carlos has written _zero_ tutorials and _zero_ tips like those from "T".
In fact, Carlos will _never_ be able to write anything worth archiving.

So be it.
This message is simply to state that Carlos is dead wrong about archival.

Not only is Carlos wrong, but it's highly likely Carlos has never heard of
the Usenet archives we spoke about - so you can't trust his assessments.

The fact is that it's trivial to figure out which newsgroups are
automatically archived to a web-searchable format that everyone can access.

In general, it's all the operating system newsgroups _except_ the Windows
newsgroups we most often use (but it does include _other_ Windows
newsgroups such as the alt.comp.microsoft.windows newsgroup).

Hence, for those like "T" and I who add value which is useful to others in
the future, it behooves us to add alt.comp.microsoft.windows to the list.

The point which people like Carlos and Frank Slootweg will never be able to
understand is that it's not added for our amusement or to troll - as that's
how _they_ think - but not a normal adult who is attempting to add value.

It's added so that it's archived in a place that is as permanent as any.
It's added so that it's archived in a place that requires no login/passwd.
It's added so that it's archived in a place that only needs a web browser.
etc.

Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos to
ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people on
this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival concepts.

[T]

On 10/23/23 18:34, T wrote:
> On 10/23/23 17:59, VanguardLH wrote:
>> As for SUMo, and its ilk, I've never found nagware to be of much value.
>
> Me neither.
>
> I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved".  I do
> not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
> no improvements".

Thunderbird 115 coems to mind. Swear word have
not been created ...

[Wally J]

T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote

>> I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved".  I do
>> not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
>> no improvements".
>
> Thunderbird 115 coems to mind. Swear word have
> not been created ...

From another group...

There is also the
QuickInstaller
https://www.quickinstaller.net/
to check for program updates

--
Ninou
Gratilog, le catalogue des logiciels gratuits
http://www.gratilog.net/

[T]

On 10/28/23 04:12, Wally J wrote:
> T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote
>
>>> I only like upgrading when it is "new and improved".  I do
>>> not care for "new and a whole new ton of bugs with
>>> no improvements".
>>
>> Thunderbird 115 coems to mind. Swear word have
>> not been created ...
>
> From another group...
>
> There is also the
> QuickInstaller
> https://www.quickinstaller.net/
> to check for program updates
>

I looked at it. No table for easy viewing.
And no criticals. It also only seemed to check
public software.

:'(

[mechanic]

This is "Arlen", right?

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2023-10-28 17:42, mechanic wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:37:55 -0400, Wally J wrote:
>
>> "Carlos E. R." <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote

...

>> Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos
>> to ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people
>> on this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival
>> concepts.
>
> This is "Arlen", right?

Yes. Who else could say such things? :-D

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

[Frank Slootweg]

Carlos E. R. <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-10-28 17:42, mechanic wrote:
> > On Fri, 27 Oct 2023 19:37:55 -0400, Wally J wrote:
> >
> >> "Carlos E. R." <robin_...@es.invalid> wrote
>
> ...
>
> >> Such concepts are far too deep for people like Frank Slootweg or Carlos
> >> to ever comprehend - but the hope is that there are 1 out of 100 people
> >> on this newsgroup who are intelligent enough to understand archival
> >> concepts.
> >
> > This is "Arlen", right?

Is the pope catholic?

> Yes. Who else could say such things? :-D

And I even didn't post in this thread, but still he felt the need to
'praise' me. It boggles the mind.

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[Wally J]

T <T...@invalid.invalid> wrote

>> There is also the
>> QuickInstaller
>> https://www.quickinstaller.net/
>> to check for program updates
>>
>
> I looked at it. No table for easy viewing.
> And no criticals. It also only seemed to check
> public software.

Thanks for taking a look at it, and even more so for testing it, and then
for reporting back on it so that everyone benefits from the teamwork.

I don't have time to annotate this quick test as I only spent a few minutes
testing it (as I do for almost all suggested programs on this newsgroup).

Since I couldn't spend a lot of time testing it, I snapped these for people.
(I'm not sure why you say there isn't a table though, as it looks tabular.)

It can add to its database also so I'm not sure what you mean by "Public"
software - where it seems to have checked scores of my installed programs.

And I'm not sure what you mean by "cricitals" as QuickInstaller did tell
me which programs were "major updates" versus "minor updates" in the table.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding though, as I repeat I only spent a few minutes.
Here are the screenshots to save others that time and effort though
(which is the whole point of these purposefully helpful discussions
as each of us pitches in to help the next guy like a domino effect).

<https://i.postimg.cc/Kj0PDmSJ/quickinstaller01.jpg> QuickInstaller summary
<https://i.postimg.cc/TYYMd0k6/quickinstaller18.jpg> QuickInstaller settings
<https://i.postimg.cc/RFzLMPLQ/quickinstaller03.jpg> Avail. Maintenance
<https://i.postimg.cc/HkRtNWJN/quickinstaller05.jpg> Avail. File Archivers
<https://i.postimg.cc/HkqQ2SRD/quickinstaller06.jpg> Avail. Utilities
<https://i.postimg.cc/L43NsM7q/quickinstaller07.jpg> Updates Available
<https://i.postimg.cc/XvBsNBS3/quickinstaller09.jpg> Major/Minor Updates
<https://i.postimg.cc/WbtgPLPc/quickinstaller10.jpg> Update Pale Moon
<https://i.postimg.cc/vZNPdLK3/quickinstaller11.jpg> Update KC Softwares DUMO
<https://i.postimg.cc/JzkXGNnT/quickinstaller12.jpg> Nice updating progress
<https://i.postimg.cc/gjHSF99Z/quickinstaller13.jpg> Nice progress indicator
<https://i.postimg.cc/65RRQVTM/quickinstaller14.jpg> Nice progress status
<https://i.postimg.cc/mZCKNqnR/quickinstaller15.jpg> Submit NitroShare db
<https://i.postimg.cc/1RVVW00y/quickinstaller16.jpg> Update NitroShare db
<https://i.postimg.cc/bJ2W5FNx/quickinstaller17.jpg> Export to Excel csv
<https://i.postimg.cc/BbnD6RLD/quickinstaller08.jpg> Portable Programs
<https://i.postimg.cc/Dz0trw9Y/quickinstaller19.jpg> Uninstall QuickInstaller
<https://i.postimg.cc/x1JvLrs3/quickinstaller04.jpg> QuickInstaller Uninstall
<https://i.postimg.cc/yYNXY3c5/quickinstaller02.jpg> Uninstalled leftovers

It's a beta version according to the author; so we should expect problems.
(QuickInstaller Preview version 0.2.8701.11900)

<https://www.quickinstaller.net/>
<https://app.quickinstaller.net/downloads/QuickInstallerSetup.exe>
Name: QuickInstallerSetup.exe
Size: 13473669 bytes (12 MiB)
SHA256: 558FB86BC006E0C720C728DCF8BF77407A839BDDBB1EF9836EA9E493F2F8D3B5

It wants to go into C:\Program Files\QuickInstaller
I put it where it belongs C:\app\cleaner\updater\quickinstaller

It created a QuickInstaller.link desktop shortcut with the target
C:\Windows\System32\schtasks.exe /run /TN "QuickInstaller\QuickInstaller SkipUAC"

Setup
Microsoft.NET Windows Desktop Runtime 7.0 is required to
install QuickInstaller. Do you want to download and install
Microsoft Windows Desktop 7.0 as part of this installation?

KC Softwares Startup Sentinel immediately detected suspicious activity:
New entry detected!
Type: HKLM64:RunOnce
Name: {db33e419-1b78-40cf-bac2-d2b83f6e37b2}
Command: "C:\ProgramData\Package Cache\{db33e419-1b78-40cf-bac2-d2b83f6e37b2}\windowsdesktop-runtime-7.0.12-win-x64.exe" /burn.runonce"
[Add to Whitelist][Add to Blacklist][Remove]

I wasn't sure _what_ to do with that - what would _you_ do about it?
<https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/c-programdata-package-cache.3581392/>
<https://superuser.com/questions/455853/can-i-delete-the-folder-c-programdata-package-cache>

I only spent five minutes testing this program, where I liked that it
separates installed programs from portable programs, which I think
"Win+I > Apps" misses.

However... don't be fooled... apparently the portable program checks
don't work (I think I saw somewhere this is a brand new beta product).
152 Programs installed
16 Major updates available
26 Minor updates available
17/59 Up-to-date
0 Portable programs found <=== this is wrong but maybe it's user error

You can sort by the following - which is useful when submitting programs.
(o) All
(_) Available Updates
(_) Up-to-Date
(_) Submitted
(_) Not Submitted

Speaking of sorting, you can export your selections to a csv file too.

As a test, I selected "Pale Moon" & "KC Softwares Dumo" to update.
The graphics were beautiful, changing colors for the various stages.

The Dumo updated to green but the Pale Moon had some kind of issue saying
"Update completed but not up to date 29.4.2.1 vs 32.4.1."
"Try restarting QuickInstaller or Windows to update version."

It also has an "Uninstall" button & a "Submit" button where I tested both.

I like that it organized all my Microsoft Visual C++ Redistributable's,
as I only install them when I have to so I have no idea which are there.

I also like that it organizes 682 apps by "what they do" (not brand names!)
which is how I organize all my phones, tablets and desktop installers too.
C:\apps\{archivers,browsers,cleaners,databases,editors,finances,games,etc.}
Note: I don't use plurals but I added them here for readability.

Most people (and most programmers!) organize by the brand name, which I
consider just about the most idiotic way to organize a program hierarchy.

The QuickInstaller program organizes apps by functionality (and it gives
you the option of installing them if they're not already installed).
Maintenance
Media
Media Tools
Tune-up
Internet
Internet Browsers
Graphics
Security
File Archivers
File Tools
Sharing
Productivity
Utilities
Hardware
Documents
Messaging
Gaming
Miscellaneous
Development
Runtime
Redistributable

Note: I don't use cop-outs such as "system" or "utilities" or "misc",
since pretty much every app fits into those useless catch-alls.

It has the ability to create a restore point before doing anything,
and a bunch of other options such as not deleting the downloaded installers.

It starts with Windows by default (which you might want to change),
and I noticed belatedly it doesn't scan for portable programs by default.

It crashed once though with an error of "Critical: An unhandled exception
has occurred in the application: (15,8):UserId:" and it wouldn't restart.

So I booted my PC (which allowed that autostart registry entry to activate).
But even then QuickInstaller wouldn't restart on the rebooted setup.

So I uninstalled it - where my assessment is that I like what it purports
to do, but it's probably still a bit too much in the beta stage for me.

RevoUninstaller and Advanced Uninstaller found leftover registry entries
and files (about a dozen or so for each uninstaller) which I wiped out.

Example of a leftover registry entry was...
HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Schedule\TaskCache\Tree\QuickInstaller\QuickInstaller AutoStart
Example of a leftover file was...
C:\users\username\AppData\Local\Hans_Christian_Ihlen-Abel\QuickInstaller_URL_...

Particularly since I don't bother updating apps unless I know there is
something in the updated version which rarely happens for me nowadays.

I usually write up a step-by-step tutorial for how to use almost every
program but I'm writing up a tutorial for how to set up Telegram on the
PC without creating an account on your mobile so I only wrote up this log.

BTW, I only have 154 programs installed (while on Android I have over 700).
I'm curious how many you have installed on your Windows desktop PC.

Overall, I think it's a nice program. Very nice. Except it crashed
and wouldn't restart - so it simply has teething pains in the beta.

[T]

On 10/28/23 15:02, Wally J wrote:
> I'm curious how many you have installed on your Windows desktop PC.

I have never checked. It try to keep it to a minimum though.
My system is a Fedora server with multiple qemu-kvm virtual
machines (VM's) to help me assist customers with their issues.
Of the Windows VM's, I have XP, W7, W10, and W11 currently setup.
Nine VM's in total.

I had Vista and 8 at one time, but don't get enough
call for them now to care. Two versions of XP, but
I pruned it to one. Believe it or not, I still have
some customers using XP.

The best SUMo sub I found so far is the VulnDetect.

[wasbit]

On 23/10/2023 06:12, Wally J wrote:
> I was trying to help someone when I looked up the Sumo/Dumo site
> to give him the URL to check and install his drivers when I ran into this
> notice that they're going to stop existing (apparently) in a few days...
> <https://www.kcsoftwares.com/
>
> Termination notice
> KC Softwares activities are to be terminated by end of October 2023.
> All products are to be considered as End-Of-Life (EOL) on October 31st 2023.
> Sales are stopped.
>

Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09

--
Regards
wasbit

[T]

Do you have a favorite replacement for SUMo?

[Wally J]

wasbit <was...@nowhere.com> wrote

> Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09

Hi wasbit,

Thanks for pointing that out as others may not know about a.c.f on here.
<http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>

I found your thread where I'd recommend adding the "SUMO or DUMO" keywords
to the title because a search for either in the title or body fails unless
you know to either use the name of the program or no spaces in the apps.
*KCSoftwares - Termination notice*
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/>

Unfortunately, the words " SUMO " or " DUMO " don't even exist in that
thread (with spaces delineating the word) so it would be hard to find them
unless you knew they were surrounded by ";" as in ";SUMO;" & ";DUMO;"
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/m/--mmTcf4AwAJ>

Since you're a freeware expert, you probably associate sumo & dumo with
kcsoftwares, but others might not so it needed sumo or dumo in the subject.

In my archives, for example, they're not listed under kcsoftwares but as
c:\archives\cleaners\updaters\drivers\dumo
c:\archivers\cleaners\updaters\software\sumo
(Note: I don't use plurals but I do here for readability).

I will say that it's hard to organize "suites" such as these are.
Other "suite" examples, of course, are the office tools, majorgeeks and
windowsclub downloads, and the classic suites such as nirsoft, sysinternals
and winaero tools (where even I have difficulty pigeon holing them into
appropriate functional categories).

Normally, for suites, if I find the entire suite useful (e.g., nirsoft),
then I actually save them twice. Once under "suites" and the other I
disperse them into where they belong, which itself can have duplicates.
c:\archivers\hardware\bsod\WhatIsHang for example

When you do that, you just copy your WinXP start menu folder to
Window7 and then 8 and then Vista and then 10, etc., to access apps.
<https://i.postimg.cc/X7f8sBbF/whatishang01.jpg> WinXP menu on Win10

In summary, we both worked together where you informed one community
(freeware folks) while I informed the Windows and hardware folks too.

--
The whole point of Usenet is to find people who know more than you do.
And to contribute to the overall tribal knowledge value of the newsgroup.

It's a domino effect where each of us helps the next person in the lineup.

[Wally J]

Wally J <walte...@invalid.nospam> wrote

> I will say that it's hard to organize "suites" such as these are.
> Other "suite" examples, of course, are the office tools, majorgeeks and
> windowsclub downloads, and the classic suites such as nirsoft, sysinternals
> and winaero tools (where even I have difficulty pigeon holing them into
> appropriate functional categories).

Just after I mentioned it's hard to organize 'suites' of tools,
wasbit kindly posted a helpful hint for organizing the major geeks suite!


wasbit <was...@nowhere.com> wrote

>> There is also the
>> QuickInstaller
>> https://www.quickinstaller.net/
>> to check for program updates

> Or even Major Geeks Software Updater for Windows 7-11
>
> - http://www.majorgeeks.com/MajorGeeks_Software_Updater_d8044.html

To help others (so that they can start where the previous people left off),
here is a screenshot of what you see when you install that majorgeeks app.
<https://i.postimg.cc/0yJwS5WY/majorgeeks01.jpg>

I thank Ninou for bringing up QuickInstaller, which I only tested for a few
minutes but I found the preview version rather interesting in potential.

On my system it came up with an error but it worked to install the two apps
that I had tested, and it worked to uninstall the one app I had tested.

It also told me in tabular form which apps needed major & minor updates,
but when I tried to re-run QuickInstaller, it wouldn't start - even after a
reboot and even after deleting it and then rebooting, it wouldn't start
after a reinstallation. My assessment is it has potential but it's too
early to use it fruitfully yet.

I also thank wasbit who seems to be the first person who noticed that Sumo
& Dumo (among others) from KCSoftwares was going to go away, as shown here.

*KCSoftwares - Termination notice*
<https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/>

I had not seen that, nor would I have understood it as I don't associate
Sumo/Dumo with the company that makes it but I ask wasbit how he knew?

How did you know about that going-out-of-business action so early?
(I only found out when I went purposefully to the site to help someone.)

Moving forward, let's add this the updater wasbit suggested to the mix.
*MajorGeeks News and Software Updater 4.0.0*
<https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/majorgeeks_software_updater.html>
"MajorGeeks News and Software Updater is a portable app that can show you
all of the latest news and downloads on MajorGeeks.Com from your desktop."

"The Update function sits in your systray (next to your clock)
and can notify you of any new files or articles on MajorGeeks.com
without searching the site."
<https://www.majorgeeks.com/mg/getmirror/majorgeeks_software_updater,1.html>
<https://www.majorgeeks.com/index.php?ct=files&action=download&>
<https://files1.majorgeeks.com/10afebdbffcd4742c81a3cb0f6ce4092156b4375/office/MajorGeeks_Software_Updates_and_News.zip>
Name: MajorGeeks_Software_Updates_and_News.zip
Size: 422116 bytes (412 KiB)
SHA256: BBD40177652CDDA5CD6DA3C3A19029F4667CDD949DC10F8441958887B7EB320C

Extracting the zip file reveals it contains only a single portable executable.
Name: MajorGeeks Software Updates and News.exe
Size: 1058816 bytes (1034 KiB)
SHA256: 921F125D9B9BB68A8C373E0BEC87E6BE2DB3241DF920513596D431D589DAC747

Placing it where it belongs so that it can be found sans needing to search:
Archived: C:\archives\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.
Installed: C:\apps\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.
Menus: C:\menus\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.
Data: C:\data\cleaners\updaters\majorgeeks\.

First impressions:
I like that it has a calendar showing the progression of their news & apps.
And that it has a one-liner of what the programs purport to do for you.
They show a checkmark whether it works on Windows, Linux, Android & Apple.
And they show the latest version (but I couldn't get it to update anything).

First impression screenshot:
<https://i.postimg.cc/0yJwS5WY/majorgeeks01.jpg>

[Wally J]

Frank Slootweg <th...@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

>> Yes. Who else could say such things? :-D
>
> And I even didn't post in this thread, but still he felt the need to
> 'praise' me. It boggles the mind.

Having graduated from the finest schools in the country, and having worked
in the toughest Silicon Valley startups for decades, I must admit I don't
know how to handle people with incredibly low IQs like Frank, Carlos & Zag.

How do you work with people who are _that_ incredibly stupid? I don't know.
They provide zero value.
Every post from them _subtracts_ value.
They gleefully proclaim they finally figured out what was never hidden

I ask the _adults_ on this newsgroup what topical value did they provide?
Q: What topical value did Frank Slootweg provide on this thread?
A: From Zero to Negative.

Q: What topical value did Zagheda provide on this thread?
A: From Zero to Negative.

Q: What topical value did Carlos provide on this thread?
A: From Zero to Negative.

Jesus Christ. Every post from them is *purposefully unhelpful*.
They are unprepossessing worthless human beings.

Devoid of any purposefully helpful intent.
Devoid of any knowledge.
Devoid of any value.

I always find it sadly indicative of their fantastically low IQs (Frank,
Carlos & Zag) when these three morons gleefully exclaim they're utter
geniuses for figuring out what isn't even hidden & what was never hidden.

Hell, in this very thread are posted screenshots like this, you morons.
<https://i.postimg.cc/v8CS9SvY/precise-shortcut01.jpg> Privacy shortcuts

And yet, even after _hundreds_ upon hundreds of those obvious screenshots,
you _still_ find the necessity to prove you're a moron by exclaiming so
gleefully that you finally, after thousands of similar posts, figured out
what isn't hidden?

What is nice about Usenet is you find people who are intelligent.
But what's sad about Usenet is people like Frank, Carlos & Zag exist.

They contribute nothing of value.
Yet they think they're geniuses for figuring out the wrapping paper.

The fact is these morons finally figured out what was never hidden.
Given in this very thread I posted my unique screenshots like these:
<https://i.postimg.cc/Kj0PDmSJ/quickinstaller01.jpg> QI Test summary
etc.

If you ever ask me how I know these morons have a low IQ, it's not so much
that they have no clue how header privacy works - nor that they have no
idea that the value of a gift isn't in the header wrapping paper...

But that they're so far to the left of the first quartile separator in the
Dunning-Kruger study results that they gleefully proclaim how smart they
are when they finally (after thousands of posts!) figure out what was never
hidden in the first place.
--
PS: Morons bother me... I've never met, in the flesh, people that stupid.
I admit openly so that I have no tools to handle people _that_ stupid.

[wasbit]

Snappy Driver Installer Origin
For missing drivers or driver updates.
Especially good for after an install of Windows where you don't have the
motherboard driver CD.
- https://www.glenn.delahoy.com/snappy-driver-installer-origin/

--
Regards
wasbit

[wasbit]

On 29/10/2023 18:51, Wally J wrote:
> wasbit <was...@nowhere.com> wrote
>
>> Yep. I posted this in alt.comp.freeware on 2023.09.09
>
> Hi wasbit,
>
> Thanks for pointing that out as others may not know about a.c.f on here.
> <http://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware>
>
> I found your thread where I'd recommend adding the "SUMO or DUMO" keywords
> to the title because a search for either in the title or body fails unless
> you know to either use the name of the program or no spaces in the apps.
> *KCSoftwares - Termination notice*
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/>
>
> Unfortunately, the words " SUMO " or " DUMO " don't even exist in that
> thread (with spaces delineating the word) so it would be hard to find them
> unless you knew they were surrounded by ";" as in ";SUMO;" & ";DUMO;"
> <https://groups.google.com/g/alt.comp.freeware/c/qvoHPUNFC50/m/--mmTcf4AwAJ>

That's because you have focused on just those two programmes out of the
list.

> Since you're a freeware expert, you probably associate sumo & dumo with
> kcsoftwares, but others might not so it needed sumo or dumo in the subject.

I really am no expert, just a bod with a little knowledge.

> In my archives, for example, they're not listed under kcsoftwares but as
> c:\archives\cleaners\updaters\drivers\dumo
> c:\archivers\cleaners\updaters\software\sumo
> (Note: I don't use plurals but I do here for readability).
>
> I will say that it's hard to organize "suites" such as these are.
> Other "suite" examples, of course, are the office tools, majorgeeks and
> windowsclub downloads, and the classic suites such as nirsoft, sysinternals
> and winaero tools (where even I have difficulty pigeon holing them into
> appropriate functional categories).
>
> Normally, for suites, if I find the entire suite useful (e.g., nirsoft),
> then I actually save them twice. Once under "suites" and the other I
> disperse them into where they belong, which itself can have duplicates.
> c:\archivers\hardware\bsod\WhatIsHang for example
>
> When you do that, you just copy your WinXP start menu folder to
> Window7 and then 8 and then Vista and then 10, etc., to access apps.
> <https://i.postimg.cc/X7f8sBbF/whatishang01.jpg> WinXP menu on Win10
>
> In summary, we both worked together where you informed one community
> (freeware folks) while I informed the Windows and hardware folks too.
>

Windows System Control Centre (WSCC)

Contains the complete suites of tools from:

Sysinternals (Mark Russinovich/Bryce Cogswell now Microsoft),
Nirsoft (Nir Sofer)
Mitec (Michal Mutl)
plus a few more individual offerings.

Nir Sofer (http://www.nirsoft.net)
Gibson Research Corporation (http://www.grc.com)
Krzysztof Kowalczyk (http://www.kowalczyk.info)
Simon Tatham (https://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham)
David Carpenter (https://voidtools.com)
Pete Batard (https://pete.akeo.ie/)
Michal Mutl (http://mitec.cz)

- http://www.kls-soft.com/wscc

--
Regards
wasbit

[AllanH]

I suggested VulnDetect as a SUMo alternative to someone on MajorGeeks
Forums.
He replied that it required registration with email address and password.
When he tried to use that login, it was refused.
Did you not have that problem?

[The Horny Goat]

Indeed - I've been using Thunderbird for years (and given I'm on the
board of 3 non-profits have a LOT of archives going back 15+ years)
but am still struggling to figure out the new 115 interface. Took me
nearly an hour to figure out how to 'retrieve all new mail' .... and I
>don't< use Thunderbird for newsgroups!