Windows 98SE - Utilities?
REM
I LOVED 98SE! That was a long time ago and much has changed, though.
I'm setting up a PC for a friend with 98SE. It was full of spyware,
adware and no telling what else. I'm just going to copy the data and
do a clean install.
I recall that RamIdle (memory manager) worked good for me. Are there
any better memory utilization utilities out there?
I "think" that Avast! will work. It's a low horsepower Dell (about 50
pounds worth) with 133 megs of ram. The mem manager will prolly be
critical here.
She has DSL and is behind a router, but evidently that's not enough
protection. She does browsing for photos mostly and email.
After getting everything setup I'm planning to make it dual boot with
xxcopy, so that I can easily recover her boot partition if needed.
Does anyone have any suggestions of programs, utilities and security?
Things that changed since I finally loaded XP and never looked back?
I'm thinking Kerio 2.1.5, but I'm not sure that I can explain what it
is and how to use it. I can setup the base programs that I load.
Oldphart
based firewall. I remember a program called MemFree that was my
favorite. It was easy to use. It is a freeware program located at
http://download.cnet.com/Memfree/3000-18512_4-29987.html And I believe
you wont find any other free AV product other than AVAST to handle
Win98. I still maintain a machine like that for my dad.
Johnw
> I recall that RamIdle (memory manager) worked good for me. Are there
> any better memory utilization utilities out there?
> She has DSL and is behind a router, but evidently that's not enough
> protection. She does browsing for photos mostly and email.
I used RAMpage.
http://www.jfitz.com/software/RAMpage/index.htm
"Resource Leaks," Part One Fred Langa May 22, 2000
http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=17200581
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Mark Warner
>
> I'm setting up a PC for a friend with 98SE.
Why in the world would you do that?
> She has DSL and is behind a router, but evidently that's not enough
> protection. She does browsing for photos mostly and email.
Perfect Linux candidate: old (presumably) hardware, clueless regarding
security, no special software requirements.
--
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MEPIS Linux
Registered Linux User #415318
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Johnw
> Does anyone have any suggestions of programs, utilities and security?
Another thing I did with W98 was this.
W95/98
Start > Run, type in msconfig & press Enter.
2 lines to be added in Autoexec.bat
Right click & Copy > deltree /y c:\windows\temp
Click on Autoexec.bat, click on New & in the new box, right click &
Paste.
In an empty part of the window, left click.
Right click & Copy > md c:\windows\temp
Click on New & in the new box, right click & Paste.
In an empty part of the window, left click.
Click Apply & OK to exit & then reboot ( make sure everything is closed
down )
Deletes & recreates the Temp folder every reboot.
Or, you can use this.
TempCleaner
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/tempcleaner.html
REM
REM
> Mark Warner <markwarner195...@att.net> wrote:
>REM wrote:
>> I'm setting up a PC for a friend with 98SE.
>Why in the world would you do that?
>> She has DSL and is behind a router, but evidently that's not enough
>> protection. She does browsing for photos mostly and email.
>Perfect Linux candidate: old (presumably) hardware, clueless regarding
>security, no special software requirements.
That's a very interesting idea, but I'm not sure how she would react
to a somewhat foreign GUI. She's 60+ and uses Windows at work. :(
REM
> Oldphart <mfj1952d...@cox.net> wrote:
>> I'm thinking Kerio 2.1.5, but I'm not sure that I can explain what it
>> is and how to use it. I can setup the base programs that I load.
>I would suggest TPF (Tiny Personal Firewall) since it is a simple rule
>based firewall. I remember a program called MemFree that was my
>favorite. It was easy to use. It is a freeware program located at
>http://download.cnet.com/Memfree/3000-18512_4-29987.html And I believe
>you wont find any other free AV product other than AVAST to handle
>Win98. I still maintain a machine like that for my dad.
Kerio 2.1.5 is from the same company and about the same time period.
v2.1.5 was the best version that I found back when I ran 98.
Thanks! :)
Mark Warner
>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>
>> Perfect Linux candidate: old (presumably) hardware, clueless regarding
>> security, no special software requirements.
>
> That's a very interesting idea, but I'm not sure how she would react
> to a somewhat foreign GUI. She's 60+ and uses Windows at work. :(
A KDE 3.5 desktop is going to be perfectly intuitive to a Windows user.
My Dad was 80 when I replaced his W98SE with PCLinuxOS. He didn't miss a
beat.
philo
LOL
I'm 60 years old and switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year.
Though I was a very careful Windows user...a root kit hidden in the
restore volume was what it took to get me to make the switch
I assure you 60+ is not too old to learn new things
Some people get old at 25
some people are still young at 90
Mark Warner
> REM wrote:
>>
>> That's a very interesting idea, but I'm not sure how she would react
>> to a somewhat foreign GUI. She's 60+ and uses Windows at work. :(
>
> LOL
>
> I'm 60 years old and switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year.
He had me worried there. I turned 55 today. I'm hoping I have more than
5 years before my brain ossifies.
philo
> philo wrote:
>> REM wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a very interesting idea, but I'm not sure how she would react
>>> to a somewhat foreign GUI. She's 60+ and uses Windows at work. :(
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> I'm 60 years old and switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year.
>
> He had me worried there. I turned 55 today. I'm hoping I have more than
> 5 years before my brain ossifies.
>
The truth of the matter is that when I was in my 20's and in college I
was not that great of a learner...I had poor study habits.
Now that I'm older I've found that I can actually learn better.
I gave up too easily when I was young. I have now learned a bit of patience.
One thing I've learned that's been most valuable is to simply walk away...
if I am stuck on a difficult problem.
Don't know how many times I've woken up the next morning and come back
to it...and the solution came pretty fast.
At any rate, I no longer give up.
So, at age 60 I can say that I may not be a fast learner...but once I
learn something it sticks.
(oh, one thing might have helped too...I tossed out the TV about 17
years ago )
Mark Warner
>
> One thing I've learned that's been most valuable is to simply walk away...
> if I am stuck on a difficult problem.
>
> Don't know how many times I've woken up the next morning and come back
> to it...and the solution came pretty fast.
>
> At any rate, I no longer give up.
Describes exactly the approach I've taken to "learnin' Linux". It took
me a number of years to gain a certain proficiency with Windows; I had
to take a reasonable amount of time to get up to speed with Linux as well.
> So, at age 60 I can say that I may not be a fast learner...but once I
> learn something it sticks.
>
> (oh, one thing might have helped too...I tossed out the TV about 17
> years ago )
Now *that's* going too far... too much football and college basketball
available for me to do that.
Craig
> philo wrote:
>> REM wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a very interesting idea, but I'm not sure how she would react
>>> to a somewhat foreign GUI. She's 60+ and uses Windows at work. :(
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> I'm 60 years old and switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year.
>
> He had me worried there. I turned 55 today. I'm hoping I have more than
> 5 years before my brain ossifies.
Hopefully we'll all have longer than that.
About the system though...
REM says there's "133 megs of ram." That's, uh, pretty skinny pickings.
Not to mention an odd number of ram. Even if ram isn't an issue, how
about the cpu? 80286 w/o math coproc?
REM... Mind restating the specs?
--
-Craig
POKO
markwarner195...@att.net says...
> philo wrote:
> > REM wrote:
> >>
> >> That's a very interesting idea, but I'm not sure how she would react
> >> to a somewhat foreign GUI. She's 60+ and uses Windows at work. :(
> >
> > LOL
> >
> > I'm 60 years old and switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year.
>
> He had me worried there. I turned 55 today. I'm hoping I have more than
> 5 years before my brain ossifies.
>
>
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Manitoulin Island, Canada
POKO
markwarner195...@att.net says...
> philo wrote:
> >
> > One thing I've learned that's been most valuable is to simply walk away...
> > if I am stuck on a difficult problem.
> >
> > Don't know how many times I've woken up the next morning and come back
> > to it...and the solution came pretty fast.
> >
> > At any rate, I no longer give up.
>
> Describes exactly the approach I've taken to "learnin' Linux". It took
> me a number of years to gain a certain proficiency with Windows; I had
> to take a reasonable amount of time to get up to speed with Linux as well.
>
> > So, at age 60 I can say that I may not be a fast learner...but once I
> > learn something it sticks.
> >
> > (oh, one thing might have helped too...I tossed out the TV about 17
> > years ago )
>
> Now *that's* going too far... too much football and college basketball
> available for me to do that.
>
>
Mark Warner
>
> About the system though...
>
> REM says there's "133 megs of ram." That's, uh, pretty skinny pickings.
> Not to mention an odd number of ram. Even if ram isn't an issue, how
> about the cpu? 80286 w/o math coproc?
>
> REM... Mind restating the specs?
You're right, of course. Below a certain threshold, W98SE probably is
the best way to go from a performance standpoint. But if that's the
case, W2K might be an even better choice. I just can't see someone still
using W98SE, especially online. If the machine won't handle anything
newer, then she needs a new machine. People are giving them away every
day on FreeCycle.
If it's a 350MHz or more with 128MB, it can be done. If it can be bumped
up to 256MB RAM, that will make all the difference. And 512MB will make
it positively snappy. I have a 500MHz/512MB Dell OptiPlex circa 1999
sitting here that runs the full featured MEPIS 8.0.10 like a champ.
REM, if this is a charity case, and this machine would work for your
friend, contact me privately and we'll work something out. I have
another that's in the 700MHz/384MB range available as well.
Mark Warner
> markwarner195...@att.net says...
>>
>> He had me worried there. I turned 55 today. I'm hoping I have more than
>> 5 years before my brain ossifies.
>
> Sorry Mark - its a done deed..
You've been talking to my wife, haven't you?
Roger Hunt
>philo wrote:
>> REM wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a very interesting idea, but I'm not sure how she would react
>>> to a somewhat foreign GUI. She's 60+ and uses Windows at work. :(
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> I'm 60 years old and switched over to Linux at the beginning of the year.
>
>He had me worried there. I turned 55 today. I'm hoping I have more than
>5 years before my brain ossifies.
>
Hand over your sweets or I'll let your bicycle tyres down.
--
Roger Hunt
Mike Easter
> I LOVED 98SE! That was a long time ago and much has changed, though.
98se has the advantage of being a graphical interface with which a
signficant percentage of the population is already familiar.
It also has the advantage of being a very lightweight GUI. It suffers
the disadvantage of having a number of insecurities and deficiencies
which lack 'modernization' and upkeep and patches. There are a great
many modern internet functions for which 98se will not suffice,
including not running modern browsers without some tricks.
I am a current and regular user of 98se and have been for some years so
I'm quite familiar with its issues and weaknesses. I'm also familiar
with running linux distros on low resource hardware and problems there.
> I'm setting up a PC for a friend with 98SE.
That decision may not be the wisest one.
> It was full of spyware,
> adware and no telling what else. I'm just going to copy the data and
> do a clean install.
Does that mean that the friend for whom you are setting up is the one
who acquired the spyware and whatever else, or does your premise mean
something else.
> I recall that RamIdle (memory manager) worked good for me. Are there
> any better memory utilization utilities out there?
You should discuss a lot of other important issues here or somewhere
before you start fine tuning with a trivial choice of one piece of
software.
You have not characterized the target hardware in question sufficiently
yet. Saying the Dell has low resources is not nearly as useful as
defining it specifically, such as modelno and what its potential is for
its cpu and ram and storage.
> I "think" that Avast! will work. It's a low horsepower Dell (about 50
> pounds worth)
That is a silly statement.
> with 133 megs of ram. The mem manager will prolly be
> critical here.
That is a very low resource machine that isn't going to have very many
useful options. If you try to run a linux xwindows graphical interface
on 133 megs of ram, you are going to be very limited in your options.
It is highly likely that the machine would be much more useful in
numerous ways if it could have some more economical ram donated to it.
> She has DSL and is behind a router, but evidently that's not enough
> protection.
What does that sentence mean? What does 'evidently that's not enough
protection' mean?
> She does browsing for photos mostly and email.
That won't be very demanding.
> After getting everything setup I'm planning to make it dual boot with
> xxcopy, so that I can easily recover her boot partition if needed.
Does that mean dual boot DSL and 98se? Or does that mean something
else?
--
Mike Easter
Craig
> Hand over your sweets or I'll let your bicycle tyres down.
Forget that. We're going to give you rope burns, noogies & wet willies
just for spehling funneh.
--
-Craig
philo
> philo wrote:
>>
>> One thing I've learned that's been most valuable is to simply walk
>> away...
>> if I am stuck on a difficult problem.
>>
>> Don't know how many times I've woken up the next morning and come back
>> to it...and the solution came pretty fast.
>>
>> At any rate, I no longer give up.
>
> Describes exactly the approach I've taken to "learnin' Linux". It took
> me a number of years to gain a certain proficiency with Windows; I had
> to take a reasonable amount of time to get up to speed with Linux as well.
>
>> So, at age 60 I can say that I may not be a fast learner...but once I
>> learn something it sticks.
>>
>> (oh, one thing might have helped too...I tossed out the TV about 17
>> years ago )
>
> Now *that's* going too far... too much football and college basketball
> available for me to do that.
>
I had prior computer experience.
My first computer class was in 1968 and I learned Fortran IV back in the
punch card days. Hated it.
I later went back to school in the 70's and was horrified that punch
cards were still being used!
By 1982, when the first PC came out and the whole word started to join
the computer age...I got out of it entirely and swore I'd never touch a
computer again.
Then until, I 1999 did a lot of writing and used only a manual typewriter.
My girlfriend gave me her old computer...
a P1 with Windows 95....hey it was free!
Free is good.
Soon I was hooked and started trying to learn all that I had missed...
so once I had win95 figured out...I had to go back and learn all the
stuff I had missed over the years...such as DOS and Windows 3.1 etc.
Then of course I had to see what Linux was all about...
it was considerably harder back then I was considerably stupider too
great combination LOL
From the time I got my Red Hat 5.2 CD and my Linux for Dummies book...
until I had Linux installed , configured and working...
It was six months!!!!
I may be dumb...but I sure don't give up
philo
Even though TV is referred to as a vast wasteland...
I found enough good stuff to keep me glued to it all the time.
It was an addiction and the only way I could control it was to go cold
turkey.
I put the TV in the closet...so I knew it was still there if i needed
it...then eventually took the big step and tossed it in the trash
Of course now I'm addicted to the computer...
but I mainly use it as a communication device...so feel it's not as bad
an addiction
FredW
I know (from experience)
:-))
>some people are still young at 90
My mother is!
But reading this thread I an now determined to now make an effort to
learn Ubuntu 9.10 when it comes out in a couple of days.
;-)
--
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Roger Hunt
--
Roger Hunt
FredW
>I LOVED 98SE! That was a long time ago and much has changed, though.
>
>I'm setting up a PC for a friend with 98SE. It was full of spyware,
>adware and no telling what else. I'm just going to copy the data and
>do a clean install.
>
>I recall that RamIdle (memory manager) worked good for me. Are there
>any better memory utilization utilities out there?
RAMBooster
http://www.sci.fi/~borg/rambooster/index.htm
>I "think" that Avast! will work. It's a low horsepower Dell (about 50
>pounds worth) with 133 megs of ram. The mem manager will prolly be
>critical here.
Try to find a copy of Norton Antivirus 2002.
It still works on Win98se.
(and after uninstall, search and find left folders, remove all
and reinstall again.)
>I'm thinking Kerio 2.1.5, but I'm not sure that I can explain what it
>is and how to use it. I can setup the base programs that I load.
Kerio 2.1.5
http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/page7.html#Kerio%20Personal%20Firewall
>Does anyone have any suggestions of programs, utilities and security?
>Things that changed since I finally loaded XP and never looked back?
Maybe you could scroll through this:
http://www.321download.com/LastFreeware/
http://www.oldapps.com/
http://www.oldversion.com/
--
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philo
LOL
glad I'm not the only one who refused to grow up !
philo
Well I have been using Ubuntu 9.04
and it's been a real pleasure
I will try 9.10 when it comes out...
but will install it on a separate drive so I don't harm anything on my
working system
Mark Warner
> FredW wrote:
>>
>> But reading this thread I an now determined to now make an effort to
>> learn Ubuntu 9.10 when it comes out in a couple of days.
>
> and it's been a real pleasure
>
> I will try 9.10 when it comes out...
> but will install it on a separate drive so I don't harm anything on my
> working system
A wise approach. However, if you want to try and push the envelope a
bit, the Ubuntu updater will allow you to update in place from one
version to the next. (You'll want to have plenty of bandwidth.) On the
occasions I've used that feature (it's been several versions and a few
years back, when I was still undecided as to which distro I was going to
commit to and Ubuntu was still one of the candidates) it has worked
flawlessly.
Craig
> philo wrote:
>> FredW wrote:
>>>
>>> But reading this thread I an now determined to now make an effort to
>>> learn Ubuntu 9.10 when it comes out in a couple of days.
>>
>> Well I have been using Ubuntu 9.04
>> and it's been a real pleasure
>>
>> I will try 9.10 when it comes out...
>> but will install it on a separate drive so I don't harm anything on my
>> working system
>
> A wise approach. However, if you want to try and push the envelope a
> bit, the Ubuntu updater will allow you to update in place from one
> version to the next. (You'll want to have plenty of bandwidth.) On the
> occasions I've used that feature (it's been several versions and a few
> years back, when I was still undecided as to which distro I was going to
> commit to and Ubuntu was still one of the candidates) it has worked
> flawlessly.
There are a few key differences between 9.04 and 9.10 which (I thought)
could not be upgraded into. Namely the ext4 filesystem and grub2. Has
this situation changed?
--
-Craig
Mark Warner
>
> There are a few key differences between 9.04 and 9.10 which (I thought)
> could not be upgraded into. Namely the ext4 filesystem and grub2. Has
> this situation changed?
The default file system for a clean install is ext4, but that's not a
requirement. With the Beta and RC installs I've done, I've chosen ext3.
I can only guess that an upgrade would retain the ext3 file system.
As for grub2, that could introduce some gotchyas. I don't really know.
I've already run into a couple, but that's owing more to my habit of
installing grub to root and chainloading everything from a master boot
partition. If he were upgrading from a standard installation and allowed
grub2 to install in the default fashion to the MBR, then I'd guess that
things would work okay.
But don't take my word for it.
hummingbird
Yes please, big Rodger with the big Wodger. You can do that to me.
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Roger Hunt
>On Sun, 25 Oct 2009 22:52:22 +0000, Roger Hunt wrote :
>> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote
>> >On 10/25/2009 03:00 PM, Roger Hunt wrote:
>> >> Hand over your sweets or I'll let your bicycle tyres down.
>> >
>> >Forget that. We're going to give you rope burns, noogies & wet willies
>> >just for spehling funneh.
>> >
>> You're asking for a swirlie Mate, after the kancho.
>
>Yes please, big Rodger with the big Wodger. You can do that to me.
>
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REM
> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
>Hopefully we'll all have longer than that.
I probably should have said that she's not a power user. :)
>About the system though...
>REM says there's "133 megs of ram." That's, uh, pretty skinny pickings.
> Not to mention an odd number of ram. Even if ram isn't an issue, how
>about the cpu? 80286 w/o math coproc?
>REM... Mind restating the specs?
Dell Dimension 8100:
1.4Ghz processor, 20 gig drive with one bad block and 133 megs of ram
show up booting from the UBCD4Win.
I might get lucky and find some old ram chips. We have a box full, but
we don't have any old Dells like this in service. $139 for a gig is
the lowest price that I've seen (non error correcting). Most that I
see is error correcting.
She doesn't want to spend any bucks. I might fix her up a dual boot,
since she has the drive space.
Mike Easter
> Dell Dimension 8100:
>
> 1.4Ghz processor, 20 gig drive with one bad block and 133 megs of ram
> show up booting from the UBCD4Win.
>
> I might get lucky and find some old ram chips. We have a box full, but
> we don't have any old Dells like this in service. $139 for a gig is
> the lowest price that I've seen (non error correcting). Most that I
> see is error correcting.
>
> She doesn't want to spend any bucks. I might fix her up a dual boot,
> since she has the drive space.
That dimension 8100 is a 4 slot rdram box which can take up to 2G, but
which requires pairing the ram chips and using continuity modules in
unpopulated slots^1.
There are lots of people throwing away mobo/s which would be easier to
deal with than that one. Rather than searching for rdram sticks, I
think I would be looking for a different mobo that would be easier to
populate with old scrap sdram.
^1 http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dsleest/ Dell
Dimension 8100 system reference
--
Mike Easter
REM
> "Mike Easter" <Mi...@ster.invalid> wrote:
>That dimension 8100 is a 4 slot rdram box which can take up to 2G, but
>which requires pairing the ram chips and using continuity modules in
>unpopulated slots^1.
>There are lots of people throwing away mobo/s which would be easier to
>deal with than that one. Rather than searching for rdram sticks, I
>think I would be looking for a different mobo that would be easier to
>populate with old scrap sdram.
>^1 http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dsleest/ Dell
>Dimension 8100 system reference
I just tried booting it in safe mode and it actually has XP on it. It
came with Windows ME on it and I thought that giving her my old 98SE
disks would be a step up.
It looks sound. I doubt that she will want to spend that much to
upgrade the mobo and/or ram.
The mobo and power supply are proprietary if I'm not mistaken. It
would probably cost as much to get a new power supply from Dell after
upgrading the mobo and ram than a new Pc cost.
We're buying these for $299:
http://biz.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4195811
They are currently out of stock. :(
Thety sent us a couple of similar systems with 4 gigs of ram with Asus
mobos, but the mobos would not see the SATA hard drive and the IDE DVD
Rom, so we sent them back.
Mike Easter
>> "Mike Easter"
>> Rather than searching for rdram sticks,
At first glance, a pair of rdram sticks is listing online at a store for
$105. You would need to find some scrap rdram somewhere. I've never
had a computer which used it, so I was assuming that it would be hard to
find.
When I look on ebay, I see that there is a lot of it around for dell and
samsung. If you would do diligent shopping, I'll bet that you could get
2x256 for less than $25. But you would have to work at it and watch out
for the shipping.
What about shopping at a local computer recycling place or a friend's
spare parts?
> I just tried booting it in safe mode and it actually has XP on it. It
> came with Windows ME on it and I thought that giving her my old 98SE
> disks would be a step up.
That's strange that it would have XP. That must be someone's aftermod.
All of the delldocs for the 8100 say 98, ME, or 2K.
> It looks sound. I doubt that she will want to spend that much to
> upgrade the mobo and/or ram.
Where 'that much' is what precise number? I think that with the
original 2 64 sticks plus 2 256 sticks and a decent OS install, it could
be worth more than $25 to her.
> The mobo and power supply are proprietary if I'm not mistaken. It
> would probably cost as much to get a new power supply from Dell after
> upgrading the mobo and ram than a new Pc cost.
You are correct about everything being proprietary dell. I was
mistaken/misguided about the mobo swap idea. That wouldn't work in this
case (so to speak).
--
Mike Easter
Mark Warner
>
> I just tried booting it in safe mode and it actually has XP on it. It
> came with Windows ME on it and I thought that giving her my old 98SE
> disks would be a step up.
>
> It looks sound. I doubt that she will want to spend that much to
> upgrade the mobo and/or ram.
Under these circumstances, I'd load it up with W2K. Essentially the same
system requirements as W98SE, but you'll at least be able to get some
modern software on it.
Craig
>
>> Craig<netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hopefully we'll all have longer than that.
>
> I probably should have said that she's not a power user. :)
>
>> About the system though...
>
>> REM says there's "133 megs of ram." That's, uh, pretty skinny pickings.
>> Not to mention an odd number of ram. Even if ram isn't an issue, how
>> about the cpu? 80286 w/o math coproc?
>
>> REM... Mind restating the specs?
>
> Dell Dimension 8100:
>
> 1.4Ghz processor, 20 gig drive with one bad block and 133 megs of ram
> show up booting from the UBCD4Win.
Wow. A pentium4. That's fine for a zippy Ubuntu but the ram thingy.
Looks like you're stuck with RDRAM (Rambus). Showing 133MB still is
odd. From the spec sheet it looks as if there's a discrete video card
so, she shouldn't be losing RAM that way. (Minimum reads 128MB, max is
2GB.)
Here's the spec sheet:
<http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/SYSTEMS/dsleest/specs.htm>.
Well, if you "get lucky" on the RAM, I support the idea of a mainstream
Linux. I can give you a write-up as to why: long & short, it's current
tech that can receive & apply security patches transparently to the
user. That and it's fairly easy to make recognizable to Windows users.
If you can't get more RAM, Mark may have an angle on this. I just hate
to think win98SE is in the hands of someone who doesn't have the
wherewithal to maintain its security.
> She doesn't want to spend any bucks. I might fix her up a dual boot,
> since she has the drive space.
Pretty good idea. For that plan, I say wait for Ubuntu 9.10 to go final
& then give it a whirl.
hth,
--
-Craig
Craig
> I just tried booting it in safe mode and it actually has XP on it.
That might be the answer then. Odd little system, that.
--
-Craig
REM
> Craig <netbu...@REMOVEgmail.com> wrote:
She inherited it. It's been through 3 family members before she got
it. I guess that someone bought XP and installed it somewhere along
the way.
The media that came with it is Win ME. I guess that whoever bought XP
kept it when they gave her the PC.
I've been trying to save the XP install, but it won't boot up even in
safe mode. I got a few bugs with McStinger on the UBCD4Win. I'm
limited to a 55 meg ramdrive and AntiVir and the rest of the tools
will not load up in that space.
I'm off the next three days. I think that I'll take it home, resize
and create another partition and load up my XP install just so that I
can download and run Avast!, Malwarebytes, etc. to finish cleaning up
the boot partition... I hope.
55 megs of ram space just doesn't go far. 133 is bad enoigh.
Mark Warner
>
> I have two sticks (which would total 256mb, I think) of RAM from an
> old Dell 8250 someone dropped off. I don't know if the RAM is good or
> not, but if you want to contact me @ the email in the header, minus
> NOSPAM, you can have them. They are Samsung model # MR16R1628DF0-CT9
>
> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=772&partnum=MR16R1628DF0&xFmly_id=
REM! Did you see this?
From the spec sheets, it looks like it's possible those would be 256MB
*each*. If that's the case, you're in great shape. You could put most
any full featured desktop Linux on there and give her a modern OS with
no security concerns that would run like a champ.
philo
> philo wrote:
>> FredW wrote:
>>>
>>> But reading this thread I an now determined to now make an effort to
>>> learn Ubuntu 9.10 when it comes out in a couple of days.
>>
>> Well I have been using Ubuntu 9.04
>> and it's been a real pleasure
>>
>> I will try 9.10 when it comes out...
>> but will install it on a separate drive so I don't harm anything on my
>> working system
>
> A wise approach. However, if you want to try and push the envelope a
> bit, the Ubuntu updater will allow you to update in place from one
> version to the next. (You'll want to have plenty of bandwidth.) On the
> occasions I've used that feature (it's been several versions and a few
> years back, when I was still undecided as to which distro I was going to
> commit to and Ubuntu was still one of the candidates) it has worked
> flawlessly.
>
I don't care if it's Windows or Linux...
I never feel comfortable with upgrading the OS
of course with Linux...one can blow away the entire OS
and keep the /home partition...
so reconfiguring is kept to a minimum
Mark Warner
>
> of course with Linux...one can blow away the entire OS
> and keep the /home partition...
> so reconfiguring is kept to a minimum
Ain't it the truth. It's almost a spiritual experience the first time
you boot a fresh clean install that has your old /home mounted and
everything comes up just like it always did.
Craig
> philo wrote:
>>
>> of course with Linux...one can blow away the entire OS and keep the
>> /home partition... so reconfiguring is kept to a minimum
>
> Ain't it the truth. It's almost a spiritual experience the first time
> you boot a fresh clean install that has your old /home mounted and
> everything comes up just like it always did.
Indeed Master Warner.
By the way, I read about yet another /really/ cool thing about the new
ext4 filesystem. It supports the ATA TRIM command. From linux.com:
> Ext4 has support for the ATA TRIM command, which allows filesystems
> to inform SSD�s that blocks have been deleted and do not need to be
> taken into account by the SSD�s garbage collection and wear-leveling
> algorithms.
<http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7272>
This pretty much eliminates the last hurdle to adopting the SSD as a
drive. Already, IBM & Indilinx are pushing out flash updates to support
existing "disks." And, bless Kingston, they're already commoditizing &
pushing down prices...
Fyi, an exhaustive reference for all things SSD can be found here:
<http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3220434>
Windows 7, btw, already supports TRIM.
--
-Craig
Mark Warner
>
> <http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7272>
>
> This pretty much eliminates the last hurdle to adopting the SSD as a
> drive. Already, IBM & Indilinx are pushing out flash updates to support
> existing "disks." And, bless Kingston, they're already commoditizing &
> pushing down prices...
That's nice.
Me, I'll be moving to SATA one of these days. I'm gonna do it. Really.
I'm not kidding.
Mark Warner
I'm not normally a big Ubuntu fan, but I can't find anything to bitch
about with the RC on this old laptop. First *buntu or derivative I've
had in several releases that didn't make me jump through hoops to get a
proper screen resolution.
I've not thrown it at my desktop yet, but if they've got the
xserver/nvidia combo fixed to give me TwinView at the proper resolution,
then all the issues I've had with the *buntus lately will have been
resolved.
Except for the ugly wallpaper, of course. That shit gets worse with
every release.
--
Mark Warner
goin' mobile with Ubuntu Linux
Craig
> Craig wrote:
>>
>> <http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7272>
>>
>> This pretty much eliminates the last hurdle to adopting the SSD as a
>> drive. Already, IBM & Indilinx are pushing out flash updates to
>> support existing "disks." And, bless Kingston, they're already
>> commoditizing & pushing down prices...
>
> That's nice.
>
> Me, I'll be moving to SATA one of these days. I'm gonna do it. Really.
> I'm not kidding.
<sniff>
Is that an MFM or an RLL I smell coming from your machine?
</sniff>
--
-Craig
Craig
> I've not thrown it at my desktop yet, but if they've got the
> xserver/nvidia combo fixed to give me TwinView at the proper resolution,
> then all the issues I've had with the *buntus lately will have been
> resolved.
>
> Except for the ugly wallpaper, of course. That shit gets worse with
> every release.
Wonder how many bugs have been filed on that one?
--
-Craig
Franklin
> Craig wrote:
>>
>> <http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7272>
>>
>> This pretty much eliminates the last hurdle to adopting the SSD as a
>> drive. Already, IBM & Indilinx are pushing out flash updates to
>> support existing "disks." And, bless Kingston, they're already
>> commoditizing & pushing down prices...
>
> That's nice.
>
> Me, I'll be moving to SATA one of these days. I'm gonna do it. Really.
> I'm not kidding.
As a simple interim step, a hardware PATA/SATA adapters will convert a PATA
mobo socket to SATA socket. Performance and throughput usually suffer but
they work.
http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/12-156-010-05.JPG
A PCI SATA adapter card is better.
Mark Warner
I'm a tightwad. My current kit works well for me. It's a little long in
the tooth, and by all rights I should be running more current hardware,
but I just can't justify spending the money. Not that it really costs
all that much any more, with me spec'ing it out and building it and not
having to buy Windows.
I'm not a gamer, and don't do any hard core number crunching, so the
only time I really need more than what I've got is when I'm trying to
run a VM. In those situations, a 1.67GHz single core with 1024MB of slow
RAM just doesn't cut it.
And frankly, I get more of a kick out of seeing how well I can get older
stuff to run. Just last night I picked up an HP consumer box from
FreeCycle -- 2.0GHz Celeron, 256MB (I've bumped it to 512), 40G hard
drive, and an updated graphics card of some sort. I'll be diving into it
later in the week, but I'm guessing that thing will run great with a
load of straight Debian or MEPIS.
--
Mark Warner
...lose .inhibitions when replying
REM
>Mark Warner <markwarner195...@att.net> wrote:
>The Seabat wrote:
>> I have two sticks (which would total 256mb, I think) of RAM from an
>> old Dell 8250 someone dropped off. I don't know if the RAM is good or
>> not, but if you want to contact me @ the email in the header, minus
>> NOSPAM, you can have them. They are Samsung model # MR16R1628DF0-CT9
>> http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=772&partnum=MR16R1628DF0&xFmly_id=
>REM! Did you see this?
> From the spec sheets, it looks like it's possible those would be 256MB
>*each*. If that's the case, you're in great shape. You could put most
>any full featured desktop Linux on there and give her a modern OS with
>no security concerns that would run like a champ.
I emailed seabat about it. If they are that large I'll chip in a
larger drive to do a dual boot system up right.
Those systems with 2 banks of two slots are really nice for
utilizing\recycling old chips.
John Corliss
> Craig wrote:
>>>
>>> She doesn't want to spend any bucks. I might fix her up a dual boot,
>>> since she has the drive space.
>>
>> Pretty good idea. For that plan, I say wait for Ubuntu 9.10 to go
>> final & then give it a whirl.
>
> I'm not normally a big Ubuntu fan, but I can't find anything to bitch
> about with the RC on this old laptop. First *buntu or derivative I've
> had in several releases that didn't make me jump through hoops to get a
> proper screen resolution.
>
> I've not thrown it at my desktop yet, but if they've got the
> xserver/nvidia combo fixed to give me TwinView at the proper resolution,
> then all the issues I've had with the *buntus lately will have been
> resolved.
>
> Except for the ugly wallpaper, of course. That shit gets worse with
> every release.
I've noticed that myself with Ubuntu in the past. In particular, that
ugly shit-brown default wallpaper that comes with it. What's up with
that? Oh well, easy enough to change.
My current system is a P4 1.9 ghz with 512 mb of RDRAM, a GeForce 4
video card with 128 mb of onboard memory and a Creative Labs Audigy
Gamer card. It runs good enough to do everything that I want, but at
this point I'm phasing over to a desktop Sony Vaio (P4 3.6 ghz with 1 gb
of SDRAM, some kind of nVidia card, probably a 6600 etc.) that my cousin
gave me (I make the best of what I have).
My plan is to turn my current box into a Linux platform. I'll probably
start out with either Ubuntu or one of the other most currently popular
distros like openSUSE, Debian or Mandriva.
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> My current system is a P4 1.9 ghz with 512 mb of RDRAM,
> I'm phasing over to a desktop Sony Vaio (P4 3.6 ghz with 1 gb
> of SDRAM,
> My plan is to turn my current box into a Linux platform.
I'm a big fan of running two boxes with a KVM, some Win on one and some
linux distro on the other.
I generally make both of them multiboot, so that there are say half a
dozen or so Win & linux distros setup between them. Then I boot
whichever Win and whichever linux I feel like fooling with that day.
That method also allows one to do a lot with some old hardware. Right
now I'm flipping between 384 meg ram AMD 1.2 ghz running W98 KVMed to a
1G ram AMD/Geode nx-1750 running Mint7. That one multiboots XP and
Mandriva in addition to the Mint.
--
Mike Easter
Craig
> ... that ugly shit-brown default wallpaper that comes with it. What's up
> with that?
Fashion disaster is all. (Nothing to see, move along now.)
> My current system is a P4 1.9 ghz with 512 mb of RDRAM, a GeForce 4
> video card with 128 mb of onboard memory and a Creative Labs Audigy
> Gamer card. It runs good enough to do everything that I want, but at
> this point I'm phasing over to a desktop Sony Vaio (P4 3.6 ghz with 1 gb
> of SDRAM, some kind of nVidia card, probably a 6600 etc.) that my cousin
> gave me (I make the best of what I have).
The RDRAM/GeForce system should be more than adequate for linux.
Regardless of what disto where, one piece of installation advice: create
a /home directory. Anytime you "upgrade" or even switch linux distos,
your data will be left untouched.
> My plan is to turn my current box into a Linux platform. I'll probably
> start out with either Ubuntu or one of the other most currently popular
> distros like openSUSE, Debian or Mandriva
John, since you're new-ish to the game, I'd suggest going in as gently
as possible at first: (e.g. ubuntu, mint, mepis). This way, the initial
end-user learning curve will be pretty flat and you can focus on ramping
up your admin skillz.
Looking ahead, if you find that Ubuntu (or a close derivative) is a good
fit, you're timing is good. April 2010 is scheduled for Canonical's
next Long Term Support (LTS) release. The nifty thing about LTS is the
desktop version is officially supported (updates, security patches) for
three years. If you prefer a stable platform (over whoring around like
Mark <grin>) ramp up on 9.10 and you'll be in good admin-shape by the
time of 10.4 LTS.
Do try a kde *4.x* disto while your at it
<http://www.kde.org/download/distributions.php>. People used to 3.x are
still kvetching but, it's the future for kde and it's pretty fun (imho).
Sadly, the FreeBSD scene for new users is really down to one disto,
PCBSD. It looks great but it's a relative resource-hog with a
non-standard install system. Oh, and fyi: I brought OpenSolaris
in-house. It's not particularly light on its feet either but the trade
off is a flexibility & stability that can't be matched by any other
disto I've tried.
If you want to discuss this off-group, feel free.
--
-Craig
Mark Warner
>
> If you prefer a stable platform (over whoring around like
> Mark <grin>)
MEPIS doesn't mind that I check out the competition, 'cause she knows I
always come home to Momma.
--
Mark Warner
MEPIS Linux
Bjorn S.
>Craig wrote:
>>
>> If you prefer a stable platform (over whoring around like
>> Mark <grin>)
>
>MEPIS doesn't mind that I check out the competition, 'cause she knows I
>always come home to Momma.
Have you fellows considered changing the subject-line anytime soon? :)
--
All the best,
Bjorn S.
- I only post via <news.individual.net> or <news.broadpark.no>!
Craig
> Mark Warner wrote in<7l1bv2F...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> Craig wrote:
>>>
>>> If you prefer a stable platform (over whoring around like
>>> Mark<grin>)
>>
>> MEPIS doesn't mind that I check out the competition, 'cause she knows I
>> always come home to Momma.
>
> Have you fellows considered changing the subject-line anytime soon? :)
Mais, apr�s vous, monsieur! <grin>
--
-Craig
Mark Warner
> Mark Warner wrote:
>> Craig wrote:
>>> If you prefer a stable platform (over whoring around like
>>> Mark <grin>)
>> MEPIS doesn't mind that I check out the competition, 'cause she knows I
>> always come home to Momma.
>
> Have you fellows considered changing the subject-line anytime soon? :)
Freakin' netkop...
Bjorn S.
wrote:
>> Have you fellows considered changing the subject-line anytime soon? :)
>
>Mais, apr�s vous, monsieur! <grin>
No please Sir, you first! You see I would simply have to pick
"off-topic" as the topic, but you fellows could pick a topic, and not
just any topic, but the topic you seem to be discussing. If on the
other hand you no longer are discussing your topic under *this* topic,
then we can probably agree on any off-topic topic to fill the topic
line. I think. But anyway, I assume most people interested in your
topic would prefer to find it under a topic that is the topic.
Btw, a while back I posted something remotely related to your
off-topic topic in acfg, but under a different topic of course.
Bjorn S.
<markwarner195...@att.net> wrote:
>
>Freakin' netkop...
Chill out man. Say did you miss the smiley? :)
Mark Warner
> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:07:18 -0400, Mark Warner
> <markwarner195...@att.net> wrote:
>>
>> Freakin' netkop...
>
> Chill out man. Say did you miss the smiley? :)
Smiley? Oh, you mean that thing that means "I'm going all
passive-aggressive on yer ass"?
Jeez, I think I miss BB...
Bjorn S.
>Bjorn S. wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:07:18 -0400, Mark Warner
>> <markwarner195...@att.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Freakin' netkop...
>>
>> Chill out man. Say did you miss the smiley? :)
>
>Smiley? Oh, you mean that thing that means "I'm going all
>passive-aggressive on yer ass"?
Again, chill out man. You are burring what seems to be an interesting
exchange about Linux distros in a Win 98 thread. Why not make it more
available buy announcing it in the subject header? Would you look for
info about Linux stuff in Win 98 thread?
Bjorn S.
>Again, chill out man. You are burring what seems to be an interesting
I meant burying, not burring.
Mark Warner
> Mark Warner wrote:
>> Bjorn S. wrote:
>>>> Freakin' netkop...
>>> Chill out man. Say did you miss the smiley? :)
>> Smiley? Oh, you mean that thing that means "I'm going all
>> passive-aggressive on yer ass"?
>
> Again, chill out man.
Dude, I'm yanking your chain.
Craig
> Bjorn S. wrote:
>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>> Bjorn S. wrote:
>>>> Mark Warner wrote:
>>>>> Freakin' netkop...
>>>> Chill out man. Say did you miss the smiley? :)
>>> Smiley? Oh, you mean that thing that means "I'm going all
>>> passive-aggressive on yer ass"?
>>
>> Again, chill out man.
>
> Dude, I'm yanking your chain.
Funny. I was going to whip out the "yank the chain" colloquialism
earlier. But I thought that maybe it wouldn't translate too well.
We shall see, oh yanker of chains!
--
-Craig
Bear Bottoms
markwarner195...@att.net says...
>
> Bjorn S. wrote:
> > On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:07:18 -0400, Mark Warner
> > <markwarner195...@att.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Freakin' netkop...
> >
> > Chill out man. Say did you miss the smiley? :)
>
> Smiley? Oh, you mean that thing that means "I'm going all
> passive-aggressive on yer ass"?
>
> Jeez, I think I miss BB...
The PWH Cult could have given it a rest a long time ago...they have
never let up. Tell them to give it a rest koolaid drinker.
--
Bear Bottom-Freeware Researcher Extraordinaire
Freeware website: http://bareware.info
Bjorn S.
>>> Again, chill out man.
>>
>> Dude, I'm yanking your chain.
>
>Funny. I was going to whip out the "yank the chain" colloquialism
>earlier. But I thought that maybe it wouldn't translate too well.
>
>We shall see, oh yanker of chains!
See what? In case you want somthing to listen to while you wait
for whatever you wait for, may I suggest:
<http://www.nigelwarburton.typepad.com/philosophy_bites/>
<http://www.open2.net/ethicsbites/> Very nice indeed. I sometimes
listen to some of these broadcasts when I commute.
Bjorn S.
> may I suggest:
><http://www.nigelwarburton.typepad.com/philosophy_bites/>
><http://www.open2.net/ethicsbites/> Very nice indeed. I sometimes
>listen to some of these broadcasts when I commute.
spilling correction: Subject should read broadcasts, not broadcats
(what ever that is).
Siavash Sabbaghpour
> Bjorn S. wrote in <7l30afF...@mid.individual.net>:
>
>> may I suggest:
>> <http://www.nigelwarburton.typepad.com/philosophy_bites/>
>> <http://www.open2.net/ethicsbites/> Very nice indeed. I sometimes
>> listen to some of these broadcasts when I commute.
>
> spilling correction: Subject should read broadcasts, not broadcats
> (what ever that is).
Looks like you got another *spelling* mistake too.
Bjorn S.
>> spilling correction: Subject should read broadcasts, not broadcats
>> (what ever that is).
>
>Looks like you got another *spelling* mistake too.
Thanks, but intentional so I can not blame my
spilling chicken software for this one :)
Ron May
>No please Sir, you first! You see I would simply have to pick
>"off-topic" as the topic, but you fellows could pick a topic, and not
>just any topic, but the topic you seem to be discussing. If on the
>other hand you no longer are discussing your topic under *this* topic,
>then we can probably agree on any off-topic topic to fill the topic
>line. I think. But anyway, I assume most people interested in your
>topic would prefer to find it under a topic that is the topic.
>Btw, a while back I posted something remotely related to your
>off-topic topic in acfg, but under a different topic of course.
{Note: this is not a forgery!}
Off Topic
Listen up Bjorn. I run this <may.comp.freeware> newsgroup and *I* get to
decide what is on/off topic, not the likes of you. Please get that clear
or be kill-filed by the Good Guys.
<VVBG>
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Help improve the ACF experience. Please feed the trolls.
New to the group? Check out http://www.pricelessware.org/
and try to ignore the threads that are freeware related.
Ron May
> On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:46:50 +0100, - - [FORGERY] - - Ron May
> <ron...@yahoo.com> wrote, by way of
> <4cd64c92ecf7e167...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net>,
> in alt.comp.freeware -->
>
>>"Bjorn S." wrote:
>>>No please Sir, you first! You see I would simply have to pick
>>>"off-topic" as the topic, but you fellows could pick a topic, and not
>>>just any topic, but the topic you seem to be discussing. If on the
>>>other hand you no longer are discussing your topic under *this* topic,
>>>then we can probably agree on any off-topic topic to fill the topic
>>>line. I think. But anyway, I assume most people interested in your
>>>topic would prefer to find it under a topic that is the topic.
>>>Btw, a while back I posted something remotely related to your
>>>off-topic topic in acfg, but under a different topic of course.
>>
>>
>
> This (yours) *IS* a FORGERY
>
>> {Note: this is not a forgery!}
>
> This (yours) *IS* a FORGERY
>
> <....>
>>Listen up Bjorn. I run this <may.comp.freeware> newsgroup and *I* get to
>>decide what is on/off topic, not the likes of you. Please get that clear
>>or be kill-filed by the Good Guys.
> <....>
>
> Posters using [a] Mail-To-News-Contact of ab...@dizum.com (such as
> yourself, Ronny) need not apply.
Good catch Mammary Memory!
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Anything posted through x-privat.org or anonymous mail2news servers like
dizum.com, reece.net and others in my name is a FORGERY, In ACF, I
post only through news.sunsite.dk. In other groups, only via
eternal-september.
REM
> The Seabat <sea...@NOSPAMboardermail.com> wrote:
>I have two sticks (which would total 256mb, I think) of RAM from an
>old Dell 8250 someone dropped off. I don't know if the RAM is good or
>not, but if you want to contact me @ the email in the header, minus
>NOSPAM, you can have them. They are Samsung model # MR16R1628DF0-CT9
Worked like a charm!! :)
I did have to remove the existing two 64 meg chips, but all in all
it's probably better. This motherboard has 4 memory slots and requires
"continuity chips," evidently. They are shaped like mem sticks, but
they have nothing other than the connectors to make a circuit (no
chips onboard).
It's been an interesting adventure. I've never seen this type of
memory before. Thanks a million Seabat for sending the chips that you
had. It was 512 megs, btw, and it's screaming <g> at 1.4 Ghz.
Now, to fix her up with a dual boot! <G>
Ron May
> Now, to fix her up with a dual boot <G> and Truecrypt the accounting
> partition. God knows we can't let Pricelessware financial secrets
> into the Asshole Coward Troll's clutches!!
Excellent idea, REM!
<vvbg>
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REM
NOT_THE -> Ron <a childish forgery> wrote:
> NOT_THE -> REM <another childish forgery> wrote:
>> Now, to fix her up with a dual boot <G> and Truecrypt the accounting
>> partition. God knows we can't let Pricelessware financial secrets
>> into the Asshole Coward Troll's clutches!!
>Excellent idea, REM!
><vvbg>
You sure have some serious problems of the psychological variety
there, Not_The_Ron.
Tell me, what sort of financial secrets are there in your world?
Accounting partition? You are in a bad way.
Hint: In _this_ world the web site is paid up for this year and for
next year and there is a zero balance.
If we make a CD this year I'll be running torrents at home (now that I
finally got high speed) and at work after business hours. A great many
others will also be running torrents and mailing CDs to people who
cannot download the image file.
Ron May
Happy Days are here again,
CD donations are here again
Happy Days are here *again*!
<VVVVVVBG>
Max Wachtel
> I'm off the next three days. I think that I'll take it home, resize
> and create another partition and load up my XP install just so that I
> can setup the Truecrypt drive for hiding our Pricelssware accounting
> info!
Hey, good job, Good Guy!
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Mark Warner
>
> Worked like a charm!! :)
> It's been an interesting adventure. I've never seen this type of
> memory before. Thanks a million Seabat for sending the chips that you
> had. It was 512 megs, btw, and it's screaming <g> at 1.4 Ghz.
>
> Now, to fix her up with a dual boot! <G>
Good deal. That will make a very serviceable XP machine, and will be
downright snappy with a load of desktop Linux.
If I may, I'd suggest you go with either PCLinuxOS or SimplyMEPIS. Both
use the KDE v3.5.10 desktop, which IMO is the most intuitive for an
unsophisticated user migrating from Windows. Both are aimed at the Linux
neophyte, and both have small but very friendly and knowledgeable
communities that are happy to offer support to even the greenest of users.
Just this weekend, I took my teenage niece's totally
infested/corrupted/borken Vista laptop, stripped it to bare metal, and
reloaded it with an XP/MEPIS dual boot. All her "stuff" -- pictures,
music, school documents, etc. -- imported seamlessly. By all rights,
there shouldn't be anything she normally does that she can't do in
Linux. That's what is set as the default boot, and her dad and me are
strongly urging her to keep it that way. Then there's the "cool" factor
-- her older brother likes to think of himself as the geek, but she'll
be the one using the alternative OS. Neener neener.
REM
> Mark Warner <markwarner195...@att.net> wrote:
>Good deal. That will make a very serviceable XP machine, and will be
>downright snappy with a load of desktop Linux.
>If I may, I'd suggest you go with either PCLinuxOS or SimplyMEPIS. Both
>use the KDE v3.5.10 desktop, which IMO is the most intuitive for an
>unsophisticated user migrating from Windows. Both are aimed at the Linux
>neophyte, and both have small but very friendly and knowledgeable
>communities that are happy to offer support to even the greenest of users.
I'm grabbing both right now. I think that I'll fix myself up while I'm
at it.
>Just this weekend, I took my teenage niece's totally
>infested/corrupted/borken Vista laptop, stripped it to bare metal, and
>reloaded it with an XP/MEPIS dual boot. All her "stuff" -- pictures,
>music, school documents, etc. -- imported seamlessly. By all rights,
>there shouldn't be anything she normally does that she can't do in
>Linux. That's what is set as the default boot, and her dad and me are
>strongly urging her to keep it that way. Then there's the "cool" factor
>-- her older brother likes to think of himself as the geek, but she'll
>be the one using the alternative OS. Neener neener.
An OEM PC today is setup and keenly preened to fail -> for the nominal
user.
The crappy AV (whichever one) is a trial.
They leave it to the user in many cases to create their own OS
reinstallation DVDs.
Piffle
> "REM" wrote:
> > If we make a CD this year I'll be running torrents at home (now
> > that I finally got high speed) and at work after business hours. A
> > great many others will also be running torrents and mailing CDs to
> > people who cannot download the image file.
>
>
> 1.will the 2009 Pricelessware CD.ISO itself contain the evidence
> of explicit approval from each author for his program to be
> included on the CD.ISO ""in the clear knowledge that the ISO is
> then made available for download by anyone, anywhere in the world
> without a control mechanism""? Anything less would be a deception
> on the authors.
>
> 2.absent explicit approvals, will the ISO NOT be made available?
>
> This was recommended to ensure Pricelessware is acting lawfully.
> In the past, approvals have not been obtained in all cases and
> therefore, Q was unable to supply them when asked.
>
> BeAr supported it. Ron May ignored it. Where do you stand, REM?
Nice try Hummer. I bet he ignores your loopy questions.
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REM
> hummingbird <hummingb�r...@127.0.0.1> wrote:
<yawn> I tought I thaw a puddy cat!
As someone who has worked against the PL process at each and every
turn and who has spread complete lies about the process and about
those involved... I owe you nothing, my man. Nada. Zilch. Now, go away
and find something constructive to do.
If anyone else is interested in PL programs and author authorization
to include programs on the PL CD (if and when it occurs) and has any
questions I'll very happy to answer them. :)
Jeffrey Bloss
> This was recommended to ensure Pricelessware is acting lawfully.
> In the past, approvals have not been obtained in all cases and
> therefore, Q was unable to supply them when asked.
Who's Q?
Oh, the guy that ran away?
lol
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Jeffrey Bloss
> As someone who has worked against the PL process at each and every
> turn and who has spread complete lies about the process and about
> those involved
That's an interesting admission.
David W
> 'Piffle' wrote thus:
> Stubbings,
> You seem not to have fully read my previous comments...
>
> I am sure REM will ignore my comments for the obvious reason
> that he is personally involved in the $Pricelessware $Racket.
Stubbings left long ago. You're shouting in the dark at demons of your
own making.
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http://tinyurl.com/knogy8
JP Loken
<snip>
>> If I may, I'd suggest you go with either PCLinuxOS or SimplyMEPIS. Both
>> use the KDE v3.5.10 desktop, which IMO is the most intuitive for an
>> unsophisticated user migrating from Windows. Both are aimed at the Linux
>> neophyte, and both have small but very friendly and knowledgeable
>> communities that are happy to offer support to even the greenest of
>> users.
>
> I'm grabbing both right now. I think that I'll fix myself up while I'm
> at it.
<snip>
May I also suggest the mother of all user-friendly Linux distros,
Mandriva-Linux.
A completely new version, Mandriva One 2010.0, is out now.
Kubuntu Live didn't get enough resources to work properly on my old
Pentium III, but Mandriva One, also a live distro, worked effortlessly.
And it looks and feels very nice.
Just finished installing it on the harddisk while I was writing this. :)
There's also a DVD-version.
http://www2.mandriva.com/downloads/
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Opera e-mail: http://www.opera.com/mail/
Mark Warner
>>
>> If I may, I'd suggest you go with either PCLinuxOS or SimplyMEPIS. Both
>> use the KDE v3.5.10 desktop, which IMO is the most intuitive for an
>> unsophisticated user migrating from Windows. Both are aimed at the Linux
>> neophyte, and both have small but very friendly and knowledgeable
>> communities that are happy to offer support to even the greenest of users.
>
> I'm grabbing both right now. I think that I'll fix myself up while I'm
> at it.
Great. Don't hesitate to holler if I can help.
David Cameron the autistic European
hummingbï¿œr...@127.0.0.1 says...
>
> 'David W' wrote thus:
> >
> >Stubbings left long ago. You're shouting in the dark at demons of your
> >own making.
I've long suspected hummingbird suffers from Asperger's syndrome.
> Absolutely not. He's here every day and also on ukpm.
***He's everywhere hummy*** ***Behind you!!!***
> Can you provide evidence to the contrary? :-)
Yes er No. Evidence. LOL.
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Franklin -John Stubbins-
REM, How much will you be charging this year?
Regards, Toodles,
Franklinslime John Stubbins
Pooh the cat says "hello"
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Appointed supplier of socks/forgeries to the Pricelessware Cult since
2005. Approved by the Pricelessware Dear Leader: Ron May.
"of all the things we've lost in our lives, we miss our minds the most"
Jeffrey Bloss
> 'Jeffrey Bloss' wrote thus:
>
>>On Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:12:41 +0000, hummingbird wrote:
>>
>>> This was recommended to ensure Pricelessware is acting lawfully.
>>> In the past, approvals have not been obtained in all cases and
>>> therefore, Q was unable to supply them when asked.
>>
>>Who's Q?
>>
>>Oh, the guy that ran away?
>>
>>lol
>
> That's him. I wonder if he'll be hosting the unlawful 2009 ISOs
> that REM wants to produce?
Do dogs bark? Does Franklin forge? Does REM sockpuppet? Does Ron May run
a criminal conspiracy? Does Stubbings still cry at night over his lost
self-esteem?
Oldphart
> Siavash Sabbaghpour wrote in <4aec5324$1...@news.x-privat.org>:
>
>>> spilling correction: Subject should read broadcasts, not broadcats
>>> (what ever that is).
>> Looks like you got another *spelling* mistake too.
>
> Thanks, but intentional so I can not blame my
> spilling chicken software for this one :)
>
I have quietly been following with intense interest as well. I have
an HP that needs to be returned within a week or so that had vista
home on it. She used her computer for email, yahoo games, yahoo
messenger with her son in Iraq, and pictures. (saving most to a burned
cd) I plan on setting the box up with Pidgin, Firefox, Thunderbird,
on the Linux Mint. Is there burning freeware that would be similar
enough to Roxio (version 6) so the learning curve would not result
in lots of frustration?
Craig
> Is there burning freeware that would be similar
> enough to Roxio (version 6) so the learning curve would not result
> in lots of frustration?
(Linux Mint 7 is based on Ubuntu 9.04 so...)
Brasero is installed by default as a part of the Gnome desktop. I
haven't used Roxio for a long, long time so I can't comment on relative
ease of use but, Brasero is pretty darned easy compared with my old
favorite, e.g., ImgBurn. Let me know if you need help.
<http://projects.gnome.org/brasero/>
<http://www.imgburn.com/>
hth,
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-Craig