favourite dvd maker?

[hjmler]

what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
made a dvd in a year or 2...

[Shadow]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 01:55:53 -0500, hjmler <hjm...@charter.net> wrote:

>what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
>made a dvd in a year or 2...

I have not done one in years

http://www.dvdstyler.org/en/

Is probably the most used.

If you want an easy, click and go app, Digiarty has one:

http://filehippo.com/download_winx_dvd_author/

(The Digiarty site is redirecting to Softonic. I prefer
FileHippo. Homepage link is on FileHippo)
[]'s


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[Flasherly]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 07:34:44 -0300, Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 01:55:53 -0500, hjmler <hjm...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>>what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
>>made a dvd in a year or 2...
>
> I have not done one in years
>
> http://www.dvdstyler.org/en/
>
> Is probably the most used.
>
> If you want an easy, click and go app, Digiarty has one:
>
> http://filehippo.com/download_winx_dvd_author/
>
> (The Digiarty site is redirecting to Softonic. I prefer
>FileHippo. Homepage link is on FileHippo)
> []'s
>
>

How hard can it be to figure out $245 in less than 30-days ...
http://download.cnet.com/DVD-lab-Pro/3000-7970_4-10334208.html

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 21/08/16 14:55, hjmler wrote:
> what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
> made a dvd in a year or 2...

Most modern televisions and set-top boxes can directly play media and
photo files of various formats (e.g. MP3, MPG, JPG, ...) . Do you have
to create a video DVD?

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[Zo]

hjmler formulated the question :

> what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't made
> a dvd in a year or 2...

WinX DVD Author

http://www.softpedia.com/get/CD-DVD-Tools/CD-DVD-Rip-Other-Tools/WinX-DVD-Author.shtml


DVD Flick

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/Video/Encoders-Converter-DIVX-Related/DVD-Flick.shtml


DVDStyler

http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/dvdstyler.html


The easiest to use is Winx DVD Author

Then of course you could also try the Windows built in DVD Maker or the
Windows Movie Maker, one or the other, should be on the version of
Windows you are using

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[Shadow]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:35:02 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 21/08/16 14:55, hjmler wrote:
>> what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
>> made a dvd in a year or 2...
>
>Most modern televisions and set-top boxes can directly play media and
>photo files of various formats (e.g. MP3, MPG, JPG, ...) . Do you have
>to create a video DVD?

Yes, it's what he said, probably (guessing) to archive family
videos and hand them out. Much cheaper than thumb drives, and wear
better.
[]'d

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 21/08/16 22:26, Shadow wrote:
>
> Yes, it's what he said, probably (guessing) to archive family
> videos and hand them out. Much cheaper than thumb drives, and wear
> better.

He/She might as well buy a cheap media player or set-top box. They are
dirt cheap these days....

[Shadow]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:36:48 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
<toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 21/08/16 22:26, Shadow wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it's what he said, probably (guessing) to archive family
>> videos and hand them out. Much cheaper than thumb drives, and wear
>> better.
>
>He/She might as well buy a cheap media player or set-top box. They are
>dirt cheap these days....

And give one with every thumb drive he hands out ?
Did you even understand the OP's question ? He wants freeware
to make DVDs.
[]'s

[OT] up. This is getting silly.

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 21/08/16 22:50, Shadow wrote:
>
> And give one with every thumb drive he hands out ?
> Did you even understand the OP's question ? He wants freeware
> to make DVDs.

> [OT] up. This is getting silly.

You are correct about the ways to publish DVD. I was suggesting an
alternative.

OK, I stop here, Your Honor! :)

[hjmler]

On 8/21/2016 1:55 AM, hjmler wrote:
> what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
> made a dvd in a year or 2...

Forgot to mention I'd be using win7 pro 64bit to make the dvd
And my target audience is an 81 yr old gal who just switch from VHS to a
10 yr old TV set with a 9 yr old external dvd player

[hjmler]

On 8/21/2016 5:34 AM, Shadow wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 01:55:53 -0500, hjmler <hjm...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
>> made a dvd in a year or 2...
>
> I have not done one in years
>
> http://www.dvdstyler.org/en/
>
> Is probably the most used.
>
> If you want an easy, click and go app, Digiarty has one:
>
> http://filehippo.com/download_winx_dvd_author/
>
> (The Digiarty site is redirecting to Softonic. I prefer
> FileHippo. Homepage link is on FileHippo)
> []'s
>

filehippo is my go to too... usually give 'em a little donation
think I'll give the Digiarty tool a try

[hjmler]

On 8/21/2016 7:35 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 21/08/16 14:55, hjmler wrote:
>> what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
>> made a dvd in a year or 2...
>
> Most modern televisions and set-top boxes can directly play media and
> photo files of various formats (e.g. MP3, MPG, JPG, ...) . Do you have
> to create a video DVD?
>

naw, I don't even have gear that new - wish I did, cuz making dvd is a
nuisance

[hjmler]

On 8/21/2016 9:26 AM, Shadow wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:35:02 +0800, "Mr. Man-wai Chang"
> <toylet...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 21/08/16 14:55, hjmler wrote:
>>> what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
>>> made a dvd in a year or 2...
>>
>> Most modern televisions and set-top boxes can directly play media and
>> photo files of various formats (e.g. MP3, MPG, JPG, ...) . Do you have
>> to create a video DVD?
>
> Yes, it's what he said, probably (guessing) to archive family
> videos and hand them out. Much cheaper than thumb drives, and wear
> better.
> []'d
>

yup... there are several other family n friends whose equipment is
pretty dated...
for the youngsters I just put the videos on dropbox n send 'em a link,
but ye gods, it takes forever to upload to dropbox or any other cloud
storage... my isp's fault there

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 21/08/16 23:49, hjmler wrote:
>>
> naw, I don't even have gear that new - wish I did, cuz making dvd is a
> nuisance

If a TV has a HDMI port, you can stream video to it from your tablet or
a modern mobile phone. :)

[hjmler]

On 8/21/2016 9:36 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 21/08/16 22:26, Shadow wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it's what he said, probably (guessing) to archive family
>> videos and hand them out. Much cheaper than thumb drives, and wear
>> better.
>
> He/She might as well buy a cheap media player or set-top box. They are
> dirt cheap these days....
>

you just can't show an 80+ yr old how to do fancy tricks and try to jack
'em up to newer gear when they're 100s of miles away... even if you were
standing beside them they might forget by the time you left their
driveway.... have to deal with folks as you find them

[David B.]

On 21/08/2016 16:57, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
> On 21/08/16 23:49, hjmler wrote:
>>>
>> naw, I don't even have gear that new - wish I did, cuz making dvd is a
>> nuisance
>
> If a TV has a HDMI port, you can stream video to it from your tablet or
> a modern mobile phone. :)

Absolutely true! It is a fantastic advance in technology!

I love it! :-)

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 21/08/16 23:58, hjmler wrote:
> you just can't show an 80+ yr old how to do fancy tricks and try to jack
> 'em up to newer gear when they're 100s of miles away... even if you were
> standing beside them they might forget by the time you left their
> driveway.... have to deal with folks as you find them

You can help the 80+ by doing the dirty work! :)

OH well.. it's up to you and maybe your kids!

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

And there are HDMI to RCA/S-Video converters if you are still using old TVs.

[hjmler]

thanks - nice rundown of tools...
IIRC, both Windows built-in dvd making tools phone home lots of crap...
don't remember which one it was but one of 'em started my filewall
barking ghe first n only time I tried using it...

[Mr. Man-wai Chang]

On 21/08/16 14:55, hjmler wrote:

> what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
> made a dvd in a year or 2...

Lastly, you may consider using services from photo-finishing stores?

[Shadow]

DVDStyler got an update an hour ago

https://sourceforge.net/projects/dvdstyler/files/dvdstyler/3.0.2/

There's a portable version available too, in case you don't
want it to mess with the registry.
FWIW

[Sjouke Burry]

On 21.08.16 8:55, hjmler wrote:
> what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
> made a dvd in a year or 2...
>

Imgburn. Friendly interface and free.

[John Corliss]

Flasherly wrote:
> Shadow wrote:

>> hjmler wrote:
>>>
>>> what's your fav dvd creator? got my mpg file all finished, but I haven't
>>> made a dvd in a year or 2...
>>
>> I have not done one in years
>>
>> http://www.dvdstyler.org/en/
>>
>> Is probably the most used.
>>
>> If you want an easy, click and go app, Digiarty has one:
>>
>> http://filehippo.com/download_winx_dvd_author/
>>
>> (The Digiarty site is redirecting to Softonic. I prefer
>> FileHippo. Homepage link is on FileHippo)
>

> How hard can it be to figure out $245 in less than 30-days ...
> http://download.cnet.com/DVD-lab-Pro/3000-7970_4-10334208.html

So... you're recommending a commercial software (or at best, trialware)
program in a freeware newsgroup?

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block (can't see & won't reply to) posts from the troll going by the nym
»Q«.

[Flasherly]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 23:25:50 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>> How hard can it be to figure out $245 in less than 30-days ...
>> http://download.cnet.com/DVD-lab-Pro/3000-7970_4-10334208.html
>
>So... you're recommending a commercial software (or at best, trialware)
>program in a freeware newsgroup?

Free until upon the 30th day, when it breaks. . .yes and no. I know
how low it is to scrapping at the bottom of that barrel, as I've also
done it to myself before, kept a few such programs and reinstalled
them when all else seemed to fail. It's like when you've finally
reached that elusive 365lb. deadlift, knowing deep down inside you'll
never fully recover from being sugar and sodium nitrate addict. And
to answer your next question -- yes, I've approached before and asked
to work in porn films.

[Shadow]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 06:42:58 -0400, Flasherly <Flas...@live.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 21 Aug 2016 23:25:50 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
>wrote:
>
>>> How hard can it be to figure out $245 in less than 30-days ...
>>> http://download.cnet.com/DVD-lab-Pro/3000-7970_4-10334208.html
>>
>>So... you're recommending a commercial software (or at best, trialware)
>>program in a freeware newsgroup?
>

>Knowing deep down inside you'll

>never fully recover from being sugar and sodium nitrate addict.

Try aluminum powder and ammonium nitrate. That'll get their
attention.

> And to answer your next question -- yes, I've approached before and asked
>to work in porn films.

Yes, I saw some of them, but did not understand what they were
doing ... specially the old lady with the mop. Maybe if a third party
wrote the manual ?

[John Corliss]

Flasherly wrote:

Trialware isn't freeware. However, you might be talking about something
else. I can never tell with you, the way you structure your sentences.

[John Corliss]

Yrrah wrote:
> John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>:

>
>> So... you're recommending a commercial software (or at best, trialware)
>> program in a freeware newsgroup?
>

> No, he simply redefines these software categories. ;-)

But... without a translator, how will we ever know? 80)>

[Flasherly]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 07:02:02 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

[Flasherly]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 07:02:02 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Trialware isn't freeware. However, you might be talking about something
>else.

What else did you think I could mean, but other than what you've said
-- that freeware unequivocally cannot be limited by what it is not.

If what I said, should anyone with a modicum for a lesser
understanding of authoring tools concur, among potential means and
standards -- that they conceivably be free from any capacity to know
advanced forms -- perish the thought, obviously and no less
censoriously for being limited gratis timely to assimilate an
enlightened perspective of commercial quality menu presentments.

[Shadow]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 03:22:25 -0400, Flasherly <Flas...@live.com>

wrote:

>>Trialware isn't freeware. However, you might be talking about something
>>else.
>
>What else did you think I could mean, but other than what you've said
>-- that freeware unequivocally cannot be limited by what it is not.

And oh sht, you've lost me already ....

[John Corliss]

Flasherly wrote:

> John Corliss wrote:
>>
>> Trialware isn't freeware. However, you might be talking about something
>> else.
>
> What else did you think I could mean, but other than what you've said
> -- that freeware unequivocally cannot be limited by what it is not.

Or, "...freeware unequivocally can not be limited by what it is not."

> If what I said, should anyone with a modicum for a lesser
> understanding of authoring tools concur, among potential means and
> standards -- that they conceivably be free from any capacity to know
> advanced forms -- perish the thought, obviously and no less
> censoriously for being limited gratis timely to assimilate an
> enlightened perspective of commercial quality menu presentments.

I know that you insist that your sentence structuring is correct, but it
seems to me that most people in this group (of course, I can't speak for
everybody) don't understand what you're saying. Perhaps you're only
speaking in a semi-Dickensian style, I don't know. Although in the past
I read the collected works of Charles Dickens and understood it all,
possibly with the exception of "The Mystery of Edwin Drood", in general
I almost always have no comprehension of what you're trying to say in
your posts.

I'd be inclined to think that your manner of communication indicates
schizophasia except for the fact that I haven't seen it be repetitious.

Sorry dude, just telling it like it is.

[Bill Day]

On Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:37:19 +0200, Yrrah <Yrra...@acf.invalid>

wrote:

>John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>:
>
>> >> So... you're recommending a commercial software (or at best, trialware)
>> >> program in a freeware newsgroup?
>> >
>> > No, he simply redefines these software categories. ;-)
>
>> But... without a translator, how will we ever know? 80)>
>

>Has anyone ever understood his ramblings? ;-)
>
>Yrrah
I 'translated' one a couple of years ago, and he said "not
bad...but"... and went on from there.
--
remove nonsense for reply

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 05:23:38 -0700, John Corliss <r9j...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>I know that you insist that your sentence structuring is correct, but it
>seems to me that most people in this group (of course, I can't speak for
>everybody) don't understand what you're saying. Perhaps you're only
>speaking in a semi-Dickensian style, I don't know. Although in the past
>I read the collected works of Charles Dickens and understood it all,
>possibly with the exception of "The Mystery of Edwin Drood", in general
>I almost always have no comprehension of what you're trying to say in
>your posts.
>
>I'd be inclined to think that your manner of communication indicates
>schizophasia except for the fact that I haven't seen it be repetitious.
>
>Sorry dude, just telling it like it is.

People now-a-days do not read -- ad hoc but to defame an existing
structure of literary styles attendant to grammar and writing -- as is
not written but for an expected lucidity and criterion proffered by
means for a 10th-grade comprehension of sentence structure.

Charles Dickens is no more than a recognizable obscurity to a
revisionist hubris attributable for vague relics contained in written
cultural artifacts. What we have we rather watch from film media.
What we learn we do in educational institutions pertaining economic
means, per force, given a capitalist model so to continue to
capitalize. Less hopefully -- most certainly not that we should be
privileged to emancipated allusions Dickens dealt more directly with
-- but for an affected understanding of instructions we draw from such
as packaging printed in Chinglish backing on our daily goods and
services;- a further abridgement of sycophantic obsequiousness,
however so sweetly that surety rings out truly into those ding-a-ling
thingies placed upside your head..

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:48:48 -0400, Flasherly <Flas...@live.com>
wrote:

I think this is probably the greatest put down ever but I'm not sure.
Shadow?

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[Shadow]

Dunno, he lost me at "ad-hoc to defame"
But I did Glugle for Chinglish

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01468/chinglish_1468537c.jpg

Something to do with Man-Chang Toilets, I suppose, I can't
read the funny symbols.
My first thought was "What the Dickens?", but that got me
thinking about BD ...
But I diverge, I'm caught up in why systemd won't let go of
my drives and let ntfs-3g do it's job. Nothing in searches. All I did
was install systemd ... it's the second time Debian's let me down in 6
years...
Won't ask you for help. FreeBSD didn't make the same mistake.

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:38:09 -0300, Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

> I'm caught up in why systemd won't let go of
>my drives and let ntfs-3g do it's job. Nothing in searches. All I did
>was install systemd ... it's the second time Debian's let me down in 6
>years...
> Won't ask you for help. FreeBSD didn't make the same mistake.

I'm back on openSUSE 11 after a systemd nightmare on Fedora 24 server
street.

I didn't do nuttin, much. I just did the normal dnf update and all hell
broke loose. Like a trillion messages about systemd cannot start
everything because of certificate thingamabob errors. So I managed to
start stuff manually and got into the system but it was way foobarred. I
Googled but it was mentallismo. So I fixed it by ripping out the SSD I
stuck Fedora 24 server on and putting back my good old reliable
openSUSE. A quick "I'm sorry old gal for ever dumping ya. Will you ever
forgive me?" Two boxes of chocolates and a single red rose in the DVD
drive, and voila. Home sweet home.

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 20:38:05 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
<super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote:

>>Charles Dickens is no more than a recognizable obscurity to a
>>revisionist hubris attributable for vague relics contained in written
>>cultural artifacts. What we have we rather watch from film media.
>>What we learn we do in educational institutions pertaining economic
>>means, per force, given a capitalist model so to continue to
>>capitalize. Less hopefully -- most certainly not that we should be
>>privileged to emancipated allusions Dickens dealt more directly with
>>-- but for an affected understanding of instructions we draw from such
>>as packaging printed in Chinglish backing on our daily goods and
>>services;- a further abridgement of sycophantic obsequiousness,
>>however so sweetly that surety rings out truly into those ding-a-ling
>>thingies placed upside your head..
>
>I think this is probably the greatest put down ever but I'm not sure.
>Shadow?

I recall an alt.type.grammar for diction and English usage. Superb
examples of prose -- drily concise to the point of interminable
argumentativeness. A reciprocal level that reminds me of Henry Watson
Fowler's (1858–1933) engrossing style guide to British English usage;-
it's American counterpoint, Cornell University professor Strunk's
Elements of Style, White later extensively magnified, White, I
believe, should have been burned alive on a stake surrounded by 2011
Time magazine issues crediting him for the "the most influential books
written in English since 1923." Seems only worthy for a career in
American magazine journalism. Imagine D.H. Lawrence on a similar
tact, having given up on some really quite astounding journalism, not
then to write merely novels, but also to impart to others how to
stupefy English usage to a point of lackadaisical indolence
culminating at U.K. educational standings for Key Stage 4.

[John C.]

Dafuk he say???

[Flasherly]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:34:20 -0400, Flasherly <Flas...@live.com>
wrote:

> D.H. Lawrence

Should be George Orwell's early collected essays, some from journal
circulations.

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:38:09 -0300, Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

> Something to do with Man-Chang Toilets, I suppose, I can't
>read the funny symbols.
> My first thought was "What the Dickens?", but that got me
>thinking about BD ...
> But I diverge, I'm caught up in why systemd won't let go of
>my drives and let ntfs-3g do it's job. Nothing in searches. All I did
>was install systemd ... it's the second time Debian's let me down in 6
>years...
> Won't ask you for help. FreeBSD didn't make the same mistake.

You didn't listen to Bear Bottoms did you? Where's your backup image!!!

I dunno, nobody listens to Bears. The world is falling apart.

[Shadow]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 21:59:00 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
<super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote:

>On Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:38:09 -0300, Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:
>
>> Something to do with Man-Chang Toilets, I suppose, I can't
>>read the funny symbols.
>> My first thought was "What the Dickens?", but that got me
>>thinking about BD ...
>> But I diverge, I'm caught up in why systemd won't let go of
>>my drives and let ntfs-3g do it's job. Nothing in searches. All I did
>>was install systemd ... it's the second time Debian's let me down in 6
>>years...
>> Won't ask you for help. FreeBSD didn't make the same mistake.
>
>You didn't listen to Bear Bottoms did you? Where's your backup image!!!

I only backup data. I leave the OS to take care of itself.
Unlike the Linux mob, who protect the OS and could not give a damn
about the browser/javascript/flash/javacrap datamining user info.

>
>I dunno, nobody listens to Bears. The world is falling apart.

Of course they do. Everyone has a ChromeBrick, right ? Or
aren't we far enough "into the future" yet ?

[p-0''0-h the cat (coder)]

Breaking News! The real reason behind the demise of init

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katrLNbHE9I

[Shadow]

On Wed, 24 Aug 2016 22:36:56 +0100, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
<super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote:


>Breaking News! The real reason behind the demise of init
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=katrLNbHE9I
>

I knew it !!! He was indoctrinated in Langley. I was right all
along !!!!