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Nicodemus

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Jan 11, 2020, 5:26:32 PM1/11/20
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For USA
I used to use Tax Act Basic for Windows, it now seems that the new software
for 2019 requires that the OS be upgraded to W8,W10.
I called them and told them I was not upgrading to W10.
So do any of you know of a tax preparation software that will work on W7
and of course is Freeware or reasonably priced.

p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

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Jan 11, 2020, 6:05:57 PM1/11/20
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 22:26:26 +0000 (UTC), Nicodemus
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>I called them and told them I was not upgrading to W10.

Another blow for freedom.

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Shadow

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Jan 12, 2020, 6:12:07 AM1/12/20
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 23:05:55 +0000, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
<super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 22:26:26 +0000 (UTC), Nicodemus
><Ancient...@Heaven.Net> wrote:
>
>>I called them and told them I was not upgrading to W10.
>
>Another blow for freedom.
>

I believe US citizens can download auto-fill PDF's of all the
forms, and do the calculations with a good freeware product like
OpenOffice.
Thank Dog for open source....

Here in Brazil we have to upload all our data to Oracle's
"Cloud"(it's a cross-platform Java(TM) executable).
Or we can do it online on Google or Facebook.
There is no privacy policy.

Have some debugging fun with last year's Oracle executable

<hxxp://downloadirpf.receita.fazenda.gov.br/irpf/2019/irpf/arquivos/IRPF2019-1.6.zip>

Yes, it's an insecure site.
:)

As a plus, they often update the program AFTER the deadline,
so they can fine you for entering "incorrect data".
Maybe Doris should try the coup thing in GB. It's fun.
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We have a new policy - Google 2012

p-0''0-h the cat (coder)

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Jan 12, 2020, 8:55:41 AM1/12/20
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 08:11:08 -0300, Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 23:05:55 +0000, "p-0''0-h the cat (coder)"
><super...@fluffyunderbelly.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 22:26:26 +0000 (UTC), Nicodemus
>><Ancient...@Heaven.Net> wrote:
>>
>>>I called them and told them I was not upgrading to W10.
>>
>>Another blow for freedom.
>>
>
> I believe US citizens can download auto-fill PDF's of all the
>forms, and do the calculations with a good freeware product like
>OpenOffice.
> Thank Dog for open source....

I just use an accountant. I get guidance and a cuddly interface between
me and the kafkaesque. If you can outsource anxiety, do it. That's my
motto zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Flasherly

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Jan 12, 2020, 10:07:29 AM1/12/20
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 22:26:26 +0000 (UTC), Nicodemus
<Ancient...@Heaven.Net> wrote:
For USA --
-

An Englishman not long ago posted an essay on the length of
civilizations from a common English news-casting site.

300 years, perhaps, and one of three US dollars is a common cite for
an amount not reported, for tax purposes, howsoever accounted.

What is said of a people whom choose what they will or not is a degree
of autonomic subjectivity conditionally permitted, granted to more or
less determination, or, at times, a behest formally awarded for
meritorious circumstances occasioned by perilous times. Wars,
however, are economically principled as often as not prima facie as
inimical to their motivation. When subjectivity however is altogether
found lacking, people may be henceforth said to be properly beaten --
senseless and until they can no longer piss standing up -- and best
shipped off wholesale to Iberian silver mines, for slaves bonded to
labor to provide autonomous wealth, in certain vast amounts,
respective to rights of their ownership.

Economically, the premise then is one founded from successful
imperialistic expansion, such that bounty is effectively plentiful for
resources limited to a stage the most elite, among recognized
sovereign autonomies per force engage. Whereupon, should then, such
elitists, perhaps indeed an oligopolistic noblesse, who have arisen to
usurp all else above and amidst even their own foundation of
affiliates economical to be, such either to tax exorbitantly or with
perceived impudence all about relegated unsustainable, thus to
conditionally premise a revolutionary war, economically bias may
perhaps provide another 300-years' periodicity indeed has ripened to
exist for the terminable state.

The economics of taxation is needful to be rescinded for in fact any
restrictive sense impunity lacks to met with ulterior ends, obviously
if not autonomously agreeable, of course, for then at the very least a
sense fortuitousness has truly to offer;... All can only hope to
prostrate themselves and gladly offer bounty before, being alike in
wilfull accord exercising suffrage without malice or secessionist
intent;- Anything less is temporal being, well to be suspect, and
likely good for propaganda.

Nicodemus

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Jan 12, 2020, 11:28:02 AM1/12/20
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Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote in
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That was my fallback plan, download the forms fill them in and mail them
back to them. Although I still am looking into E File, the waters are a
little muddy so early in the year.

Nicodemus

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Jan 12, 2020, 11:38:03 AM1/12/20
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Flasherly <Flas...@live.com> wrote in news:uq8m1f9q9k7klta5r...@4ax.com:
https://fee.org/articles/war-and-taxes-what-prompted-the-magna-carta/

June 15, 2015 marks 800 years since a fateful day along the River Thames just twenty miles west of central London. It's a good thing to note such anniversaries. They encourage us to discover things we should have learned or should never have forgotten.

It was on this date in 1215 that powerful nobles famously compelled the English monarch to sign and seal the Magna Carta, Latin for "Great Charter."

Most people possess at least a vague sense that the event had something to do with human liberty, but it's doubtful they know that it was provoked primarily by two brothers and two calamities.

The brothers were named Richard and John. The calamities were war and taxes.

It all started on September 3, 1189 - twenty-six years before that day at Runnymede. Richard "the Lionheart" was crowned King of England and spent almost all of the next ten years outside the country, crusading in the Middle East and then battling in Normandy to hold on to England's claim against lands in France.

His adventures didn't come cheap.

In his first year on the throne, Richard imposed the "Saladin Tithe" and other exactions to help pay for his crusading - thus boosting the tax burden by nearly 50 percent. Heavy levies were dumped on land-owners even for permission to marry or to inherit wealth.

Then in 1192 as Richard was on his way home from Jerusalem, he was captured and held for ransom in Germany by the Holy Roman Emperor, Henry VI. The phrase, "a king's ransom," likely originates from the price Richard insisted his subjects fork over to free him.

Back in England, Richard's mother (Eleanor of Aquitaine) collaborated with her allies in government to collect the money.

Dan Jones in his 2014 book, Magna Carta: The Making and Legacy of the Great Charter, writes:

Together, they worked Europe's diplomatic channels, found hostages and ships when these were demanded by the king's captors, levied a 25-percent tax on income and movables, requisitioned a whole year's supply of wool from England's Cistercian abbeys, and followed up Richard's personal request for English churches to send 'the whole of the gold and silver' that they kept, which he promised to return on his release.

With the ransom paid, Richard returned to England. Within a matter of weeks, he took off for another five years of war in France until his death in 1199 from a battle wound. A Frenchman using a frying pan for a shield had fired a crossbow and hit Richard in the shoulder. Two weeks later, beset with gangrene, Richard departed this earth. Whatever reward awaited him, it wasn't tax revenue.

The throne then passed to Richard's brother John. Might we expect that John wisely refrained from the war and taxes that made Richard unpopular with many? No. In fact, you ain't seen nothin' yet.

John made Richard seem like Good King Wenceslaus in short order. To describe him, Jones employs adjectives like "cruel," "unpleasant," "ruthless," "slippery," "faithless," "lecherous," "wicked," "petty" and "interfering."

He cites a contemporary of John's, the writer Ralph of Coggeshall, who deplored John's "small-minded viciousness" and his "childish habits of ridiculing his subjects and laughing at their misfortunes." These were the days before monarchs had PR departments to soften their rough edges. John even managed to get excommunicated by Pope Innocent III because he couldn't keep his hands off the Church's affairs or its money.

John picked up where Richard left off. Like his predecessor, his spent much of his reign making war in an attempt to regain land in France lost to the French. In For Good and Evil: The Impact of Taxes on the Course of Civilization, economic historian Charles Adams quotes an observer who wrote of the king in 1211: "With occasions of his wars he pilleth them with taxes and tallages unto the bare bones."

When he needed horses or wagons or food for his troops, John often just seized the stuff from private owners. Anticipating Nancy "you have to pass it to find out what's in it" Pelosi by eight centuries, John would sometimes bully subjects to meet his demands immediately in exchange for the promise that they would find out the terms of the seizure later.

Merchants were mercilessly and arbitrarily targeted for the cash they traveled with from town to town. When he needed a bridge built, he could and did resort to compulsory labor.

Bled dry by two buffoons in a row, the barons and dukes of England, with the support of just about everybody else, mustered the courage in 1215 to tell John where to get off.

Among the provisions of the Magna Carta they forced John to sign at Runnymede were these that stemmed from his (and Richard's) wars and taxes:

No scutage (a tax paid in lieu of compulsory military service) or other aid is to be levied in our realm, except by the common counsel of our realm. (Clause 12).

The City of London shall have all its ancient liberties and free customs both on land and on water. Furthermore, we wish and grant that all other cities, boroughs, towns and ports shall have all their liberties and free customs. (Clause 13).

Neither town nor man shall be forced to build bridges over rivers, except those who are obliged to do so by custom and right. (Clause 23).

No constable or other royal official shall take corn or other movable goods from any man without immediate payment, unless the seller voluntarily offers postponement of this. (Clause 28).

No sheriff, royal official, or other person shall take horses or carts for transport from any free man without his consent. (Clause 30).

All merchants may enter or leave England unharmed and without fear, and may stay or travel within it, by land or water, for purposes of trade, free from all illegal exactions ("evil tolls" by at least one translation), in accordance with ancient and lawful customs. (Clause 41).

If anyone has been dispossessed of lands, castles, liberties or of his rights, without lawful judgment of his peers, it shall immediately be restored to him. (Clause 52).

Wherefore we wish and firmly command that the English Church shall be free and that men in our kingdom have and hold all such aforesaid liberties, rights and grants, well and in peace, freely and quietly, fully and completely, for themselves and their heirs, in all things and in all places, in perpetuity. (Clause 63).

A pivotal moment in the long blossoming of human liberties had occurred.

It would not be a straight, smooth experience. And God knows that John's last conflict was hardly "the war to end all wars." Wars and their attendant taxes, as well as endless encroachments and corruptions of both Kings and Parliaments, would in turn produce endless struggles for the restoration or expansion of liberty in this "sceptered isle."

Barely a century after Magna Carta, the Scots would find themselves bludgeoned by England's Edward I and his son Edward II. In 1320 Scottish nobles issued another critical document in the history of liberty, the Declaration of Arbroath.

and so the story goes here in the 2020...

Flasherly

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Jan 12, 2020, 3:09:49 PM1/12/20
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On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 16:37:58 +0000 (UTC), Nicodemus
<Ancient...@Heaven.Net> wrote:

Wherefore we wish and firmly command ... that men hold all such
aforesaid liberties ... for themselves and their heirs, in all things
and in all places, in perpetuity. (Clause 63).

A pivotal moment in the long blossoming of human liberties had
occurred.

It would not be a straight, smooth experience. ...would in turn
produce endless struggles for the restoration or expansion of liberty
in this "sceptered isle." . . .Scots would find themselves bludgeoned
by England's Edward I and his son Edward II.

--
Perhaps pivotal for the Sceptered Isle, if in common a wealth first is
to be arbitrated (first from Runnymede) more or less "in
perpetuity";- thus (and however indirectly to a) "blossoming" in the
form of a commonwealth sovereignty at some continued state of
recognition for closing in upon 800 years.

There's no initial senatorial or republicanism to its structures,
other for Britons occupied by foreign powers, in as much arising then
from a dirt of the common lot in sullied tyranny, as to not say having
devolved from the former and into a decrepitude of the latter;-
Although when, really, and wherever was not tyranny despised?

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'Why am I not being awarded a Nobel Prize?' -Ipso facto: by
presidential decree.

Nicodemus

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Jan 12, 2020, 5:36:02 PM1/12/20
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Flasherly <Flas...@live.com> wrote in
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as far as I am concerned you are the re-incarnation of William
Shakespeare, and as the Undertaker transports your remains through the
streets, I shall lower my head in remembrance, and keep a mindful eye to
the heavens.

Shadow

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Feb 1, 2020, 2:45:07 PM2/1/20
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On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 22:26:26 +0000 (UTC), Nicodemus
<Ancient...@Heaven.Net> wrote:

>For USA

I thought you were a Himalayan monk.
Just saw this. Been around a while. US specific.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/opentaxsolver/

No idea if it works.

Nicodemus

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Shadow <S...@dow.br> wrote in
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> On Sat, 11 Jan 2020 22:26:26 +0000 (UTC), Nicodemus
> <Ancient...@Heaven.Net> wrote:
>
>>For USA
>
> I thought you were a Himalayan monk.
>
>>I used to use Tax Act Basic for Windows, it now seems that the new
>>software for 2019 requires that the OS be upgraded to W8,W10.
>>I called them and told them I was not upgrading to W10.
>>So do any of you know of a tax preparation software that will work on
>>W7 and of course is Freeware or reasonably priced.
>
> Just saw this. Been around a while. US specific.
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/opentaxsolver/
>
> No idea if it works.
> []'s

Thank You, will check it out..so far so good the downloaded file is virus
free..

Susan bugher

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Feb 2, 2020, 8:56:38 PM2/2/20
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Nicodemus wrote:

>>> I used to use Tax Act Basic for Windows, it now seems that the new
>>> software for 2019 requires that the OS be upgraded to W8,W10.
>>> I called them and told them I was not upgrading to W10.

Tax Act does NOT say their software will NOT run properly on Win 7 - the
web site just mutters an end of life warning re Win 7 and says use 8 or
10. . .

>>> So do any of you know of a tax preparation software that will work on
>>> W7 and of course is Freeware or reasonably priced.

The free tax filing products required by law have become a lot easier to
find recently.

Lots of articles/info here:
<https://www.propublica.org/search?qss=turbotax>

for example:
Here's How TurboTax Just Tricked You Into Paying to File Your Taxes
https://www.propublica.org/.../turbotax-just-tricked-you-into-paying-to-file-
your-taxes
Apr 22, 2019 ... Come along as we try to file our taxes for free on
TurboTax!

more articles/info here:
<https://www.propublica.org/search?qss=How+to+File+Your+State+and+Federal+Taxes+for+Free+in+2020>

Susan





Nicodemus

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Feb 3, 2020, 7:58:32 AM2/3/20
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Susan bugher <sebu...@yahoo.com> wrote in
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Thank You, will look into this
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