A Field Guide To Kryptonite
Disruptor
<snip>
>
> #10) SILVER KRYPTONITE
>
> Origin: Despite the famous cover, there's no such thing as
> Silver-K. It was a hoax created by Superman's friends to keep him busy
> while they set up a surprise party for him.
>
> Comments, suggestions, additions?
There was that experimental piece of Gold-K that Supergirl was exposed
to that caused her powers to fluctuate rapidly. As well as some Gold-K
dust that worked more like standard Green-K. Not in canon but
intresting: In the Superfriends cartoon show, Superman used a large
piece of Blue-K to counteract the mutation effects of Red-K.
Matt Adams
Glenn Simpson
Parallax wrote in message <3685EE...@prodigyz.net>...
>Steve Parker wrote:
>>
>> Just for fun, I decided to compile a list of various types of
>> Kryptonite, it's effects and some of it's subtler effects. This is
>> intended to be a rough draft of a Kryptonite SAQ (Seldomly Asked
>> Questions).
>
><snip>
>
>> Comments, suggestions, additions?
>
>I have a question. Was there a version of Kryptonite that amped Supey's
>powers? I thought I remembered a type of K that had this opposite
>effect of Green-K, or was this just possibly one instance of Red-K
>exposure? For some reason I thought it was Blue-K, but reading your post
>cleared that up.
You might be thinking of Earth 3's Ultraman, who got stronger with exposure
to green k (part of his being Superman's "opposite").
Steve Parker
Kryptonite, it's effects and some of it's subtler effects. This is
intended to be a rough draft of a Kryptonite SAQ (Seldomly Asked
Questions).
Obviously this only deals with the Earth-1, Silver-Age Superman,
as the current Superman only has one piece of Kryptonite to worry
about. Whether the Kryptonite below would affect him is open to debate
(the Pocket Universe Superboy is not the same as the Earth-1
Superboy/man, so we don't know for sure). I tend to think he would be
(all Supermen (E1, E2, E3, though backwards) were affected by each
other's Kryptonite) and the Time Trapper was up to something by making
the Pocket Universe Superboy invulnerable to the normal stuff.
#1: GREEN KRYPTONITE
Origin: When Krypton blew up, (almost) anything not vaporized
became Green Kryptonite
Effect: Kills superpowered Kryptonians (over the course of
hours/days depending on amount, proximity and strength). The first
stage of Green-K poisoning is the immediate reduction of powers (the
loss of powers gets worse over time) It does not effect Kryptonians
without superpowers, despite a few stories to the contrary. It also
has *no* effect on humans. Note: quantity matters (more is more
dangerous) and different pieces of Green-K have different levels of
power..
Also note that despite what you may know of normal
radioactive elements, *nothing* but lead and distance can stop
K-radation. All types of K-radiation can be stopped by lead, but gold,
which is better at stopping normal "earth" radiation doesn't protect
against the effects of K-radiation.
A)There is some debate on whether or not Green-K (as well as Red-K,
see below) is invulnerable in an Earth-like environment. I fall into
the "no, it's real tough, but it's not invulnerable" camp, but there
is quite a bit of evidence for both sides of the debate. Note, its
been explicitly stated many times that Green-K is immune to friction
heat (but not heat vision....note that I think that this is silly, but
it was said over and over) the reason being that "Kryptonite can't
combine chemically with Oxygen, which causes combustion!"
B) Yes, there *is* a lot of it on Earth. Baby Kal's rocket's
experimental warp drive ripped open a hole in space and a vast
quantity of Green-K came through
C) Unlike normal radioactive substances, the damage caused by
Green-K is not cumulative. It may defy common sense, but that was the
unequivocal rule for 20+ years. Note: If an exposure to Green-K is
long enough to turn the victim green, the victim will die. (Turning
green is the last stage of K-poisoning.)
D) There're also contradictory accounts as to whether the
power-loss and weakness that Superman experiences include him losing
his invulnerablity (to the point where a normal gun would be a danger
to him). I tend to think that his invulnerablity remains till (or even
after) death.
#2) RED KRYPTONITE
Origin: A (large!) swarm of Green Kryptonite passed through space
cloud and changed into Red-K .
Effects: Red Kryptonite causes strange, unpredictable and
(strangely) exclusively non-fatal mutations on superpowered
Kryptonians (it doesn't change a Kryptonian into a rapidly dispersing
cloud of vaporize kryptonite particles) . These mutations are usually
physical in nature (Superman becomes a giant gorilla, gets an ant
head, hair and nails grow wildly). Occasionally the effects are power
related (causes heat vision to turn on permanently, makes effectee
immune to Green-K ). Rarely the effects are psychological (Superman
hallucinates that he's back on Krypton, thinks that he's Superbaby,
etc), Regardless of the effect, Red-K 's effects wear off in a 24-48
hour period of time. Note that despite one story to the contrary,
Red-K cannot affect humans.
A) Each piece of Red-K has a particular effect. IE If a piece
of Red-K makes Superman swell up like a balloon, it will have the same
effect on Krypto, Jax-Ur, Supergirl etc.
B) Each piece of Red-K has a unique effect. (There aren't two
pieces of Red-K that'll make a Kryptonian swell up like a balloon).
Caveat: In later stories, there was an addendum to this rule: No two
pieces of Red-K have an *exactly* identical effect, so while there's
only one piece of Red-K that'll make Superman swell to 3 times his
normal size, there might be another piece that makes him swell to 3.1
times his normal size. I'm not thrilled with this, but they published
it.
C) Despite stories to the contrary, Red-K 's effects do not
last *exactly* 24 hours. You cannot set your watch by a Red-K
exposure.
D) Once a Kryptonian has been exposed to a particular piece
of Red-K , he or she can never be affected by that particular piece
again (but that same piece affects other Kryptonians)
E) If a piece of Red-K is broken up, it "counts" as the same
piece (each fragment has the same qualities as the original and a
Kryptonian immune to the "parent" piece is immune to the fragments.
#3) WHITE KRYPTONITE
Origin: ? I think it's was created when another swarm of
Green-K went through a different space-cloud.
Effects: Kills plants. All plants. Kryptonian or earth,
superpowered or not. One of the only three Kryptonite variants that
will affect non-super types
A) White-K will kill any and all plant life, except intestinal
flora (we regularly saw people handling the stuff without dying)
#4) GOLD KRYPTONITE
Origin: Just a variant of Green-K . Created in Krypton's
explosion
Effects: Permanently removes the superpowers (or the ability to
gain superpowers) from any Kryptonian exposed. Gold-K radiation has a
very short range (5 to 10 feet max)
A) Gold-K is *rare*. It's the second rarest of the five major
types of Kryptonite. We've only seen 4 Kryptonians affected by Gold K:
Quex-Ul, Jay-Ree and his wife Joenne, and a Kryptonian wrestler guy in
Superman #204
B) There's a debate about whether the loss of superpowers is
inheritable (bias alert: I think it is). Those who think it is say
that in Superman #179, Jay-Ree and Joenne explicitly state that their
kids won't have superpowers either and rather than spread this genetic
damage throughout Kandor, they choose to be exiled on Earth. Those who
think it isn't inheritable say that acquired characteristics can't be
passed on, and besides, Jay-Ree and Joenne weren't geneticists, so
they could have been wrong. The debate continues, but very cordially.
#5) JEWEL KRYPTONITE
Origin: The final one of five major Kryptonite types. By far the
rarest of the five major types, only one piece exists. Jax-Ur went
back in time and carved a chunk of the Jewel mountains into a shape
that would survive Krypton's explosion. That one piece eventually
reached Earth.
Effects: Jewel-K has no effect on anyone. What it does is allow
the telepathic inhabitants of the Phantom Zone to focus their
telepathy and blow things up.
A) Jewel-K may be a telepathic lens for any telepath, not just
those in the Phantom Zone
B) I'm pretty sure that the one piece of Jewel-K has been
broken into two or three pieces.
Minor varieties
#6) ANTI-KRYPTONITE
Origin: Debateable: It may just be a normal radioactive
Kryptonian element.
Effects: Kills non superpowered Kryptonians the same way that
Plutonium kills people from Earth. Effects are cumulative and rapidly
fatal.
A) Argo City's foundation turned into this stuff after Krypton
exploded.
B) This stuff may also effect humans. I've never seen it in
print, but I've heard the theory for years and I like it.
#7) KRYPTONITE X
Origin: Supergirl accidentally created this variant (As far as I
know, there's only one piece running around) while searching for a
Kryptonite cure.
Effects: Gives cats (remember Streaky?) and humans superpowers
equal to Kryptonians. The effect is temporary and the person (or cat)
affected may or may not be vulnerable to other types of Kryptonite.(I
seem to recall that Streaky was affected by Green-K once.)
A) Someone's mentioned to me that Kryptonite X also weakens
Kryptonians. I haven't seen the story he mentioned, but there are a
number of accounts (mostly involving Streaky) where that isn't the
case. I tend to discount this story (not the person who brought it to
my attention, of course) as it contradicts too many stories with
Streaky.
#8) SLOW KRYPTONITE
Origin: Only appeared once (in Brave and Bold(!) #179 or so).
Accidentally created in by an Earth scientist in an unrepeatable
experiment.
Effects: May affect Kryptonians like Green-K does, but
definitely affects humans as Green-K does Kryptonians. (makes humans
weak, they sicken and eventually die). The effect is non-culmulative
on humans.
#9) BLUE KRYPTONITE
Origin: Superman put Green-K in front of a Bizarro Machine and
got Blue-K, an imperfect duplicate.
Effects: We *know* that Blue-K affects Bizarro Kryptonians as
Green-K affects normal Kryptonians. (The only Bizarro Supergirl ever
created died from Blue-K poisoning)
A) I'm not sure (but I don't think) that non-Kryptonian
Bizarros are affected by Blue-K (Bizarro-Lois, for example).
#10) SILVER KRYPTONITE
Origin: Despite the famous cover, there's no such thing as
Silver-K. It was a hoax created by Superman's friends to keep him busy
while they set up a surprise party for him.
Comments, suggestions, additions?
Steve
wo...@interlog.com
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:53:47 GMT, spar...@mindspring.com (Steve
Parker) wrote:
>#4) GOLD KRYPTONITE
> Origin: Just a variant of Green-K . Created in Krypton's
>explosion
Most accounts I've read give the "Green K passed through a space
cloud" origin, although I've also seen Red K pass through the cloud
and make the conversion to Gold K. I've also read a couple accounts
that Gold K were remains of the Gold Volcano of Krypton created in the
planet's explosion.
>#7) KRYPTONITE X
> A) Someone's mentioned to me that Kryptonite X also weakens
>Kryptonians. I haven't seen the story he mentioned, but there are a
>number of accounts (mostly involving Streaky) where that isn't the
>case. I tend to discount this story (not the person who brought it to
>my attention, of course) as it contradicts too many stories with
>Streaky.
The Supergirl story in question appeared in an issue of Superman
Family...this piece of "X-Kryptonite" was a tiny portion of Kara's
ship that was affected while escaping Argo City...it weakened Kara
while granting another young blonde (amnesiac) girl Kryptonian-type
powers. So although it had similar powers to X-K it probably wasn't a
legit exampe.
>#10) SILVER KRYPTONITE
>
> Origin: Despite the famous cover, there's no such thing as
>Silver-K. It was a hoax created by Superman's friends to keep him busy
>while they set up a surprise party for him.
...
>Comments, suggestions, additions?
A couple other examples:
Yellow Kryptonite, which was created by a machine built by Lex
Luthor...it didn't do anything but it freaked out a Superman robot
enough that the robot stood by and did nothing while Luthor robbed
Fort Knox. (IIRC)
Bizarro Red Kryptonite, which affected humans the way Red K affected
Kryptonians.
There were also some combinations created by Kryptonite meteors which
collided in space and fused together...there was a Red/Green K story
and a Red/Gold K story. One of them gave him amnesia, which I believe
was cured by a severe electrical shock. The other "fused" K story I
read but don't recall the effects or the details, sorry.
Parallax
>
> Just for fun, I decided to compile a list of various types of
> Kryptonite, it's effects and some of it's subtler effects. This is
> intended to be a rough draft of a Kryptonite SAQ (Seldomly Asked
> Questions).
<snip>
> Comments, suggestions, additions?
I have a question. Was there a version of Kryptonite that amped Supey's
powers? I thought I remembered a type of K that had this opposite
effect of Green-K, or was this just possibly one instance of Red-K
exposure? For some reason I thought it was Blue-K, but reading your post
cleared that up.
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Steve Parker
wrote:
>I have a question. Was there a version of Kryptonite that amped Supey's
>powers? I thought I remembered a type of K that had this opposite
>effect of Green-K, or was this just possibly one instance of Red-K
>exposure? For some reason I thought it was Blue-K, but reading your post
>cleared that up.
As far as I know, no. (Keep in mind that there're hundreds of stories
I haven't read, (mostly in World's Finest), so that doesn't mean
you're wrong, just that I haven't seen a story like what you're
describing).
...Unless you're thinking of the Earth 3 Superman who gets new powers
with each Green-K exposure.
Other than that, there're certainly Red-K specimens that boost Supe's
power level, but no Green variants that I'm aware of, and definitely
not Blue-K.
Steve
no...@nowhere.net
wrote:
>Steve Parker wrote:
><snip>
>>
>> #10) SILVER KRYPTONITE
>>
>> Origin: Despite the famous cover, there's no such thing as
>> Silver-K. It was a hoax created by Superman's friends to keep him busy
>> while they set up a surprise party for him.
>>
Would you please repost this list?
tphile
Steve Parker wrote:
SUPER JOB, STEVE.
i hope you'll keep us posted as you update this.
this should be a regular feature.
was there ever a story where K landed in a volcano, melted and became lava
kryptonite?
since K was catagorized by color, what about the missing colors like black
or if different types were mixed together?
if they found amber kryptonite would we get a kryptonian jurassic park?
my only request is that you put the finished version in a quick reference
chart like rockhounds use.
tphile
Hopalong
>as the current Superman only has one piece of Kryptonite to worry
>about. Whether the Kryptonite below would affect him is open to debate
>(the Pocket Universe Superboy is not the same as the Earth-1
>Superboy/man, so we don't know for sure). I tend to think he would be
>(all Supermen (E1, E2, E3, though backwards) were affected by each
>other's Kryptonite) and the Time Trapper was up to something by making
>
>the Pocket Universe Superboy invulnerable to the normal stuff.
The Modern-Age Superman (the one we have now) was not affected by the
kryptonite in the Pocket Universe, due to it's different "atomic structure"
or something along that line. Krypto exposed Superman to PU Gold K, which
only resulted in the loss of Krypto's powers. Neither was Supes affected by
the PU Green K that he exposed the PU's Phantom Zone criminals to. It is
probably safe to say that none of the rest of the K's would affect, for the
same reason.
Anybody else out there miss the old Superboy? I sure do.
-William
peltf...@aol.com
early '80s where, as Clark Kent, Superboy saw red kryptonite samples in a
meteor shower he and some friends were watching. Using his super-breath, he
caused the red-K meteors to collife with other meteors and destroy them.
However, the other meteors also carried a strange element and, in combination
with the red K, formed a new substance which, in powdery form, fell onto a
fused with a high school prankster. This red K/alien element hybrid gave the
guy Phoenix level psychic powers and a super IQ. Thus, he briefly prusued a
career as the super-thief Dyna-Mind, but fortunately Superboy was able to
outsmart him, and destroyed the fused elements with his heat vision (without
turning the guy into a crispy critter). Strangely, even though the kid was
fused with what was basically half red K, his presense never affected
Superboy once!
--J. Russell Pelt, AKA The AstroCitizen, who can grow hives from Macadamia
nuts from across the room!
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Bruce L. Grubb
>Not in canon but
>intresting: In the Superfriends cartoon show, Superman used a large
>piece of Blue-K to counteract the mutation effects of Red-K.
I liked the idea that since Superman and Bizarro were opposites in so many
ways that Blue-K could have a benefitial effect on Superman like
counteracting the effects of Red K.
Though about every other part of the episode violated comic continuty: the
same piece of Red K didn't effect Kryponians in the same manner and Blue K
was where Krypton blew up.
Bruce L. Grubb
spar...@mindspring.com wrote:
> Just for fun, I decided to compile a list of various types of
>Kryptonite, it's effects and some of it's subtler effects. This is
>intended to be a rough draft of a Kryptonite SAQ (Seldomly Asked
>Questions).
>
> Obviously this only deals with the Earth-1, Silver-Age Superman,
>as the current Superman only has one piece of Kryptonite to worry
>about. Whether the Kryptonite below would affect him is open to debate
>(the Pocket Universe Superboy is not the same as the Earth-1
>Superboy/man, so we don't know for sure). I tend to think he would be
>(all Supermen (E1, E2, E3, though backwards) were affected by each
>other's Kryptonite) and the Time Trapper was up to something by making
>the Pocket Universe Superboy invulnerable to the normal stuff.
I should point out that Post-Crisis Kryptonite of both the main DCU and
Pocket Universe are compounds (Action #591) rather than elements. So it
is unlikely that the current Superman would be effected by Earth-1, 2, or
3 K. Given that Earth-3 Ultraman -gained- a superpower ever time he got
exposed to Kryptonite I am surprized he didn't go back to where his
Krypton exploded.
>#2) RED KRYPTONITE
> Origin: A (large!) swarm of Green Kryptonite passed through space
>cloud and changed into Red-K .
On an interesting side note, according to _The Superman through the Ages_
site <http://www.fortress.am/History/VersionII.html> red was the color
used for Kryptonite's first comic appearence (Superman #61) though it
effects were like Green.
>Note that despite one story to the contrary, Red-K cannot affect humans.
I believe you are refering to what is called Bizarro Red K which -does-
effect humans. I don't know how Bizarro Red K was created but if it only
appeared in one story then it doesn't really matter.
>#4) GOLD KRYPTONITE
> Origin: Just a variant of Green-K . Created in Krypton's
>explosion
Accually as per the Superman #179 story Gold K is created by Green or Red
K being exposed to an intence blast of radiation.
>#5) JEWEL KRYPTONITE
>
> Origin: The final one of five major Kryptonite types. By far the
>rarest of the five major types, only one piece exists. Jax-Ur went
>back in time and carved a chunk of the Jewel mountains into a shape
>that would survive Krypton's explosion. That one piece eventually
>reached Earth.
>
> Effects: Jewel-K has no effect on anyone. What it does is allow
>the telepathic inhabitants of the Phantom Zone to focus their
>telepathy and blow things up.
>
> A) Jewel-K may be a telepathic lens for any telepath, not just
>those in the Phantom Zone
>
> B) I'm pretty sure that the one piece of Jewel-K has been
>broken into two or three pieces.
The one piece of Jewel-K was broken into two peices. Jax-Ur used the
smaller of the two pieces to hypnotize Jimmy into 'exposing' Superman to
the Jewel-K which Superman then threw into space. After Superman learned
what Jewel-K accual did he destroyed the larger piece in orbit. The
Phantom Zone criminal later found the smaller piece and used its
telepathic boosting powers to escape into the zone.
>Minor varieties
>
>#6) ANTI-KRYPTONITE
>
> Origin: Debateable: It may just be a normal radioactive
>Kryptonian element.
>
> Effects: Kills non superpowered Kryptonians the same way that
>Plutonium kills people from Earth. Effects are cumulative and rapidly
>fatal.
>
> A) Argo City's foundation turned into this stuff after Krypton
>exploded.
The one problem with Anti-K was the explination of why Argo's foundation
turned into this rather than Green K was never really properly explained.
>#9) BLUE KRYPTONITE
>
> Origin: Superman put Green-K in front of a Bizarro Machine and
>got Blue-K, an imperfect duplicate.
>
> Effects: We *know* that Blue-K affects Bizarro Kryptonians as
>Green-K affects normal Kryptonians. (The only Bizarro Supergirl ever
>created died from Blue-K poisoning)
>
> A) I'm not sure (but I don't think) that non-Kryptonian
>Bizarro are affected by Blue-K (Bizarro-Lois, for example).
Non-Kryptonian Bizarros are defintily NOT effected by Blue-K as showning
the 'Invadion of the Blue K monsters' (not the accual title) that was
reprinted in _Kryptonite its a killer_ Also lead does -not- provide
shielding against Blue-K radiation but imperfect lead does.
>#10) SILVER KRYPTONITE
>
> Origin: Despite the famous cover, there's no such thing as
>Silver-K. It was a hoax created by Superman's friends to keep him busy
>while they set up a surprise party for him.
>
>Comments, suggestions, additions?
Supposedly there was a Magno K which is magnetically attracted to anything
from Krypton. This may have been another 'one shot' K
There was another fake: Yellow K which involved a Superman robot programed
to react to any K.
Kevin Chang
Bruce L. Grubb wrote:
> Given that Earth-3 Ultraman -gained- a superpower ever time he got
> exposed to Kryptonite I am surprized he didn't go back to where his Krypton
> exploded.
Ah, but you forget Ultraman was dumb as a brick.
-Kevin
Bruce L. Grubb
>#7) KRYPTONITE X
>
> Origin: Supergirl accidentally created this variant (As far as I
>know, there's only one piece running around) while searching for a
>Kryptonite cure.
>
> Effects: Gives cats (remember Streaky?) and humans superpowers
>equal to Kryptonians. The effect is temporary and the person (or cat)
>affected may or may not be vulnerable to other types of Kryptonite.(I
>seem to recall that Streaky was affected by Green-K once.)
>
> A) Someone's mentioned to me that Kryptonite X also weakens
>Kryptonians. I haven't seen the story he mentioned, but there are a
>number of accounts (mostly involving Streaky) where that isn't the
>case. I tend to discount this story (not the person who brought it to
>my attention, of course) as it contradicts too many stories with
>Streaky.
Interestingly the Super-pets web page
<http://users.dhp.com/~spectre/superpets.html> agrees with the X
Kryptonite weaking Kryptonians: "However, the Kryptonite-X made Supergirl
sick in a way similar to Green Kryptonite. Thus, she disposed of it.
Streaky happened upon the Kryptonite-X and was instantly endowed with a
full set of Kryptonian powers."
This seems to show that as originally written X Kryptonite -did- weaken
superpowered Kryptonians. It is possible that the amount that was in
Streaky's ball of yarn was not large enough to effect Supergirl unless she
came into direct contact with it. It also equally likely that later
writers forgot about this popoperty of X K but the Superman Family writer
went from the first appearence of X K.
D. Brinson
tphile wrote:
> Steve Parker wrote:
> [lots of interesting stuff deleted in the interests of saving space]
> > Just for fun, I decided to compile a list of various types of
> > Kryptonite, it's effects and some of it's subtler effects. This is
> > intended to be a rough draft of a Kryptonite SAQ (Seldomly Asked
> > Questions).
> > #1: GREEN KRYPTONITE
> > Origin: When Krypton blew up, (almost) anything not vaporized
> > became Green Kryptonite
> >
> > Effect: Kills superpowered Kryptonians (over the course of
> > hours/days depending on amount, proximity and strength). The first
> > stage of Green-K poisoning is the immediate reduction of powers (the
> > loss of powers gets worse over time) It does not effect Kryptonians
> > without superpowers, despite a few stories to the contrary. It also
> > has *no* effect on humans. Note: quantity matters (more is more
> > dangerous) and different pieces of Green-K have different levels of
> > power..
I don't remember the exact issues, but didn't Lex Luthor lose a hand because
of constant exposure to a Kryptonite ring that he wore? I seem to remember
that ring being made of green Kryptonite. It seems that humans can be affected
by Kryptonite radiation but, unlike Kryptonians, it has to be a very long
exposure.
Dobie
Hopalong
effects on Superman?
Spoiler space
It was in an imaginary story of Superman's Girlfriend, Lois Lane. Rainbow K
was a meteor of fused Green, Red, and Gold K, which had the effect of
transforming Superman into a deformed "hunchbacked" monster permanently.
Dan McEwen
<clark...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Anybody else out there miss the old Superboy? I sure do.
Yep. I really liked the "young Superman" version. (I do like the
current one, but he's not quite the same.)
Steve Parker
wrote:
>I should point out that Post-Crisis Kryptonite of both the main DCU and
>Pocket Universe are compounds (Action #591) rather than elements. So it
>is unlikely that the current Superman would be effected by Earth-1, 2, or
>3 K. Given that Earth-3 Ultraman -gained- a superpower ever time he got
>exposed to Kryptonite I am surprized he didn't go back to where his
>Krypton exploded.
Just as an aside: the new powers Ultraman gained were temporary. As to
flying back to Krypton, a) Ultraman wasn't really all that bright
(although Owlman or Power Ring could have suggested it to him) and
b) if he ever did, he'd be in a lot of trouble. He was defeated once
by dumping so much Green-K on him that he ended up paralyzed, not
knowing which power to use.
>>#2) RED KRYPTONITE
>> Origin: A (large!) swarm of Green Kryptonite passed through space
>>cloud and changed into Red-K .
>
>On an interesting side note, according to _The Superman through the Ages_
>site <http://www.fortress.am/History/VersionII.html> red was the color
>used for Kryptonite's first comic appearence (Superman #61) though it
>effects were like Green.
True. And the first appearance of Red-K, years later described Red-K
as a much more potent variety of Green-K. (The first actual Red-K
story as such, a few issues later, was to split an evil Clark Kent
off of Superboy)
>>Note that despite one story to the contrary, Red-K cannot affect humans.
>
>I believe you are refering to what is called Bizarro Red K which -does-
>effect humans. I don't know how Bizarro Red K was created but if it only
>appeared in one story then it doesn't really matter.
I was referring to a Jimmy Olsen story where he ran across a piece of
Red-K that allegedly could affect humans. Mid to Late '60s. No mention
of Bizarro Red-K. I've heard about Bizarro Red-K for years, but
haven't been able to track down an appearance of it.
>>#4) GOLD KRYPTONITE
>> Origin: Just a variant of Green-K . Created in Krypton's
>>explosion
>
>Accually as per the Superman #179 story Gold K is created by Green or Red
>K being exposed to an intence blast of radiation.
Only that one piece. There were other pieces of Gold-K just floating
around out there that didn't come from Red-K + radiation. (Keep in
mind, that was a *weird* piece of Kryptonite: Made of a special metal
that captured the thoughts of a scientist, it became Green-K, then
Red-K before an exploding satellite altered yet again into Gold-K. )
If all it took was nuking a piece of Red-K to get Gold-K, Luthor would
have done it. IIRC, there were a few stories with Lex trying
desperately to synthesize Gold-K and failing.
>>#5) JEWEL KRYPTONITE
>
>The one piece of Jewel-K was broken into two peices. Jax-Ur used the
>smaller of the two pieces to hypnotize Jimmy into 'exposing' Superman to
>the Jewel-K which Superman then threw into space. After Superman learned
>what Jewel-K accual did he destroyed the larger piece in orbit. The
>Phantom Zone criminal later found the smaller piece and used its
>telepathic boosting powers to escape into the zone.
Thanks! I was trying to remember this, and couldn't. Any idea where
the story of the smaller piece of Jewel-K appeared (I remember the
story....)
>
>>Minor varieties
>>
>>#6) ANTI-KRYPTONITE
>>
>> Origin: Debateable: It may just be a normal radioactive
>>Kryptonian element.
>The one problem with Anti-K was the explination of why Argo's foundation
>turned into this rather than Green K was never really properly explained.
True.
>>#9) BLUE KRYPTONITE
>>
>> Origin: Superman put Green-K in front of a Bizarro Machine and
>>got Blue-K, an imperfect duplicate.
>Non-Kryptonian Bizarros are defintily NOT effected by Blue-K as showning
>the 'Invadion of the Blue K monsters' (not the accual title) that was
>reprinted in _Kryptonite its a killer_ Also lead does -not- provide
>shielding against Blue-K radiation but imperfect lead does.
This was a *great* reference! Thanks!! (I dug out the digest and had
completely forgotten about this story)
>
>Supposedly there was a Magno K which is magnetically attracted to anything
>from Krypton. This may have been another 'one shot' K
I don't remember this one at all. Any ideas where to look? (Was it the
one where Superman creates Krypton-2?)
>There was another fake: Yellow K which involved a Superman robot programed
>to react to any K.
Someone mentioned this too. What's weird is we don't *know* if it's a
fake or what since no Kryptonian was ever exposed to it.
Steve
Steve Parker
wrote:
>In article <368a7fac...@news.mindspring.com>,
>spar...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>>#7) KRYPTONITE X
>>
>> Origin: Supergirl accidentally created this variant (As far as I
>>know, there's only one piece running around) while searching for a
>>Kryptonite cure.
>>
>> Effects: Gives cats (remember Streaky?) and humans superpowers
>>equal to Kryptonians. The effect is temporary and the person (or cat)
>>affected may or may not be vulnerable to other types of Kryptonite.(I
>>seem to recall that Streaky was affected by Green-K once.)
>>
>> A) Someone's mentioned to me that Kryptonite X also weakens
>>Kryptonians. I haven't seen the story he mentioned, but there are a
>>number of accounts (mostly involving Streaky) where that isn't the
>>case. I tend to discount this story (not the person who brought it to
>>my attention, of course) as it contradicts too many stories with
>>Streaky.
>
>Interestingly the Super-pets web page
><http://users.dhp.com/~spectre/superpets.html> agrees with the X
>Kryptonite weaking Kryptonians: "However, the Kryptonite-X made Supergirl
>sick in a way similar to Green Kryptonite. Thus, she disposed of it.
>Streaky happened upon the Kryptonite-X and was instantly endowed with a
>full set of Kryptonian powers."
>
>This seems to show that as originally written X Kryptonite -did- weaken
>superpowered Kryptonians. It is possible that the amount that was in
>Streaky's ball of yarn was not large enough to effect Supergirl unless she
>came into direct contact with it. It also equally likely that later
>writers forgot about this popoperty of X K but the Superman Family writer
>went from the first appearence of X K.
Great research job! You're entirely right. I *do* remember Supergirl
tossing the K-X out now that you've mentioned it. I will so amend the
FAQ.
I still can't seem to track down the Supergirl story in question (from
Superman Family) Any guess as to issue number or year to help narrow
the search?
Thanks!
Steve
Gunnut
<dob...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>I don't remember the exact issues, but didn't Lex Luthor lose a hand because
>of constant exposure to a Kryptonite ring that he wore? I seem to remember
>that ring being made of green Kryptonite. It seems that humans can be affected
>by Kryptonite radiation but, unlike Kryptonians, it has to be a very long
>exposure.
Only post-crisis...
Isaac
> A)There is some debate on whether or not Green-K (as well as Red-K,
>see below) is invulnerable in an Earth-like environment. I fall into
>the "no, it's real tough, but it's not invulnerable" camp, but there
I think there's pretty clear evidence for Green-K not being invulnerable.
I seem to remember a few occasions where people were able to chip off
pieces of this stuff. A more interesting question is whether a
green-k bullet could penetrate Superman's skin. Looks like a piece
of synthetic kryptonite just did so to the current Superman.
>is quite a bit of evidence for both sides of the debate. Note, its
>been explicitly stated many times that Green-K is immune to friction
>heat (but not heat vision....note that I think that this is silly, but
>it was said over and over) the reason being that "Kryptonite can't
>combine chemically with Oxygen, which causes combustion!"
As long as the rock doesn't get so hot that it metals or vaporizes
perhaps this isn't too silly.
>
> B) Yes, there *is* a lot of it on Earth. Baby Kal's rocket's
>experimental warp drive ripped open a hole in space and a vast
>quantity of Green-K came through
Plus I think pre-crisis, the Superman Revenge squad was supposed to
be steering any Green-K meteors they could find towards earth.
>
>#2) RED KRYPTONITE
There sure seem to be a lot of silly rules associated with Red-K. I
don't see any possible non magical explanation for how the rules
could work. Were there any rules for red-k that didn't get broken?
Isaac
Gunnut
wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 00:53:47 GMT, Steve Parker <spar...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>> A)There is some debate on whether or not Green-K (as well as Red-K,
>>see below) is invulnerable in an Earth-like environment. I fall into
>>the "no, it's real tough, but it's not invulnerable" camp, but there
>
>I think there's pretty clear evidence for Green-K not being invulnerable.
>I seem to remember a few occasions where people were able to chip off
>pieces of this stuff. A more interesting question is whether a
>green-k bullet could penetrate Superman's skin. Looks like a piece
>of synthetic kryptonite just did so to the current Superman.
>
>>is quite a bit of evidence for both sides of the debate. Note, its
>>been explicitly stated many times that Green-K is immune to friction
>>heat (but not heat vision....note that I think that this is silly, but
>>it was said over and over) the reason being that "Kryptonite can't
>>combine chemically with Oxygen, which causes combustion!"
>As long as the rock doesn't get so hot that it metals or vaporizes
>perhaps this isn't too silly.
How's this: Green K is just tough, not invulnerable...say on the
level of diamond. This would explain why it doesn't burn up in the
atmosphere, but would leave it vulnerable to *extreme* heat (such as
heat vision).
>>
>>#2) RED KRYPTONITE
>There sure seem to be a lot of silly rules associated with Red-K. I
>don't see any possible non magical explanation for how the rules
>could work. Were there any rules for red-k that didn't get broken?
I agree, it has to be magic. Perhaps the Lords of Chaos have
something to with it. Weren't they around pre-crisis?
kevin
(coming from a fag.. so...no offense anyone... LOL!)
hehehehehehehehe
wo...@interlog.com
wrote:
>I should point out that Post-Crisis Kryptonite of both the main DCU and
>Pocket Universe are compounds (Action #591) rather than elements. So it
>is unlikely that the current Superman would be effected by Earth-1, 2, or
>3 K. Given that Earth-3 Ultraman -gained- a superpower ever time he got
>exposed to Kryptonite I am surprized he didn't go back to where his
>Krypton exploded.
Krypton-3 didn't explode; I would assume Kryptonite is pretty rare in
that universe.
Isaac
>
>This was basically a retcon because someone realized that turning into
>normal Kryptonite wouldn't affect them since they were under a red sun....
>--
Why was it so important that Kryptonite not work under a red sun. What
important stories relied on this? Having green-k not work under a
red sun just makes the stuff that much harder to explain.
Isaac
JMason3714
>of constant exposure to a Kryptonite ring that he wore? I seem to remember
>that ring being made of green Kryptonite. It seems that humans can be
>affected
>by Kryptonite radiation but, unlike Kryptonians, it has to be a very long
>exposure.
>
Yup, Luthor's right hand became poisoned and had to be replaced with a bionic
model. He didn't learn from that little escapade, though. Odds are that he'd
just try it again, just on the hunch that maybe, just maybe, he could kill
Superman.
Brad Ferguson
kryt...@aol.comIH8SPAM (KrytenToo) wrote:
>
>In article <bgrubb-2712...@lc382.zianet.com>, bgr...@zianet.com (Bruce
>L. Grubb) writes:
>
>>I should point out that Post-Crisis Kryptonite of both the main DCU and
>>Pocket Universe are compounds (Action #591) rather than elements.
>
>According to Who's Who, Kryptonium is a "Super-Actinide" element
>(eighth period?), and Kryptonite is Kryptonium ore.
>
>JB
Did anybody ever refine kryptonite into kryptonium? If so, what was the
effect?
Clark Kent
Lord Ken Arromdee wrote:
>>Steve Parker wrote:
>> A) White-K will kill any and all plant life, except intestinal
>> flora (we regularly saw people handling the stuff without dying)
>
Perhaps some microplant was necessary for that viruses to live and by
destroying it the viruses died...
At your feet,
KalEl el Vigilant
KrytenToo
>I should point out that Post-Crisis Kryptonite of both the main DCU and
>Pocket Universe are compounds (Action #591) rather than elements.
According to Who's Who, Kryptonium is a "Super-Actinide" element
(eighth period?), and Kryptonite is Kryptonium ore.
JB
"You know, there are many people in the country today who, through no fault of
their own, are sane... It is up to people like you and me who are out of our
tiny little minds to try and help these people overcome their sanity.'"- Rev.
Arthur Belling
Aaron Severson
Well, except for certain sub-types, pre-Crisis Green Kryptonite had _no_
effect on humans or non-powered Kryptonians. Since Kryptonians had no
powers under a red sun, they were unaffected by green-K under a red sun.
The closest thing I can think of to a rationalization is that kryptonite
radiation only affects tissue that's been affected by yellow solar
radiation.
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John Savard
>Yellow Kryptonite, which was created by a machine built by Lex
>Luthor...it didn't do anything but it freaked out a Superman robot
>enough that the robot stood by and did nothing while Luthor robbed
>Fort Knox. (IIRC)
Yes, although this might be excluded because neither it nor the Green
and Red Kryptonite Luthor's machine produced were really Kryptonite.
>Bizarro Red Kryptonite, which affected humans the way Red K affected
>Kryptonians.
This issue I didn't see.
>There were also some combinations created by Kryptonite meteors which
>collided in space and fused together...there was a Red/Green K story
>and a Red/Gold K story. One of them gave him amnesia, which I believe
>was cured by a severe electrical shock. The other "fused" K story I
>read but don't recall the effects or the details, sorry.
The Red/Green Kryptonite story - an old one, drawn by Wayne Boring -
was reprinted in a Superman pocket book. It gave Superman a "third
eye" in the back of his head - which caused him problems protecting
his secret identity, but boosted his heat vision enough to overcome
Braniac's force field.
John Savard
http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
Bruce L. Grubb
spar...@mindspring.com wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:57:29 -0700, bgr...@zianet.com (Bruce L. Grubb)
>wrote:
>
>>I should point out that Post-Crisis Kryptonite of both the main DCU and
>>Pocket Universe are compounds (Action #591) rather than elements. So it
>>is unlikely that the current Superman would be effected by Earth-1, 2, or
>>3 K. Given that Earth-3 Ultraman -gained- a superpower ever time he got
>>exposed to Kryptonite I am surprized he didn't go back to where his
>>Krypton exploded.
>Just as an aside: the new powers Ultraman gained were temporary. As to
>flying back to Krypton, a) Ultraman wasn't really all that bright
>(although Owlman or Power Ring could have suggested it to him) and
>b) if he ever did, he'd be in a lot of trouble. He was defeated once
>by dumping so much Green-K on him that he ended up paralyzed, not
>knowing which power to use.
What about the idea of keeping a moderate piece of K around so as to
'recharge'? As far as the 'not all that bright' part the Bizarros weren't
geniuses either but even they could come to grips with something -this-
simple [though as we saw in Superman #379 it could take a while :-)]
>>>#2) RED KRYPTONITE
>>>Note that despite one story to the contrary, Red-K cannot affect humans.
>>
>>I believe you are refering to what is called Bizarro Red K which -does-
>>effect humans. I don't know how Bizarro Red K was created but if it only
>>appeared in one story then it doesn't really matter.
>
>I was referring to a Jimmy Olsen story where he ran across a piece of
>Red-K that allegedly could affect humans. Mid to Late '60s. No mention
>of Bizarro Red-K. I've heard about Bizarro Red-K for years, but
>haven't been able to track down an appearance of it.
Considering that during the 60's Jimmy Olsen seemingly had one weird thing
after another happen to him I am not surpriced that he got effected by Red
K. :-) This aspect of the Silver Age was used in Superman #558 where
refernces to Turtle boy and Elastic Lad are made.
Though considering that the 1993 Wizard tribute to Superman states that
Jimmy lost his Elastic Lad powers to Kryptonite (presumily Green K) if
Jimmy Olsen was the only human effected by the Red K it could have been an
interaction between it and any or all of the 'give Jimmy super powers/turn
him into a <whatever>' plot devices that had been used up to that point.
Danny Sichel
>>3 K. Given that Earth-3 Ultraman -gained- a superpower ever time he got
>>exposed to Kryptonite I am surprized he didn't go back to where his
>>Krypton exploded.
> Krypton-3 didn't explode; I would assume Kryptonite is pretty rare in
> that universe.
Not necessarily - as shown in Kingdom #1, and in one of the Dead Earth
annuals (I don't recall precisely which one, but it was by Busiek), ANY
planet which explodes in just hte right way forms kryptonite.
Steve Parker
wrote:
>In article <368ef0dd...@news.mindspring.com>,
>spar...@mindspring.com wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:57:29 -0700, bgr...@zianet.com (Bruce L. Grubb)
>>wrote:
>>
>>>I should point out that Post-Crisis Kryptonite of both the main DCU and
>>>Pocket Universe are compounds (Action #591) rather than elements. So it
>>>is unlikely that the current Superman would be effected by Earth-1, 2, or
>>>3 K. Given that Earth-3 Ultraman -gained- a superpower ever time he got
>>>exposed to Kryptonite I am surprized he didn't go back to where his
>>>Krypton exploded.
>
>>Just as an aside: the new powers Ultraman gained were temporary. As to
>>flying back to Krypton, a) Ultraman wasn't really all that bright
>>(although Owlman or Power Ring could have suggested it to him) and
>>b) if he ever did, he'd be in a lot of trouble. He was defeated once
>>by dumping so much Green-K on him that he ended up paralyzed, not
>>knowing which power to use.
>
>What about the idea of keeping a moderate piece of K around so as to
>'recharge'? As far as the 'not all that bright' part the Bizarros weren't
>geniuses either but even they could come to grips with something -this-
>simple [though as we saw in Superman #379 it could take a while :-)]
The recharge idea really wouldn't work. It would be more like (to put
it into RPG terms) rolling on a random powers table. Basically,
Green-K acted on Ultraman in a similar (but less silly) way than Red-K
did to Superman. If Ultraman gets exposed to a new piece of Green-K he
gets a new, temporary power. It would still be useful, but it might
also be useless (Ultraman, pummled and beaten, opens the lead box and
exposes himself to the shining green rock. "Ha!" shouts Ultraman.
"You'd better run, because now I have the....umm...uh-oh...power to
make flower petals change colors...damn")
Your idea would be fun, mind you, but I don't know that it'd be all
that useful in battle.
Steve
ANIM8Rfsk
see any possible non magical explanation for how the rules could work. >>
I always thought (just my child-like brain trying to figure out what was going
on) that Red-K sorta just did whatever you were thinking about at the moment
(although WHY Supes would be thinking about having a third eye [my first
Superman book!] always escaped me).
Using this theory, I could understand why the box of Red-K labeled "Gives bad
hair day" would work that way if Supergirl opened it. But - are there any
cases of Red K doing the same thing to two different Kryptonians where the
second Kryptonian DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT?
Tom
>
> In article <slrn78g0mm...@latveria.castledoom.org>,
> Isaac <irc...@latveria.castledoom.org> wrote:
> >On 28 Dec 1998 02:40:49 -0500, Ken Arromdee <arro...@www.inetnow.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>This was basically a retcon because someone realized that turning into
> >>normal Kryptonite wouldn't affect them since they were under a red sun....
> >>--
> >
> >Why was it so important that Kryptonite not work under a red sun. What
> >important stories relied on this? Having green-k not work under a
> >red sun just makes the stuff that much harder to explain.
> >
> >Isaac
>
> Well, except for certain sub-types, pre-Crisis Green Kryptonite had _no_
> effect on humans or non-powered Kryptonians. Since Kryptonians had no
> powers under a red sun, they were unaffected by green-K under a red sun.
> The closest thing I can think of to a rationalization is that kryptonite
> radiation only affects tissue that's been affected by yellow solar
> radiation.
I believe that there could be an applicable actual science theory that
could explain this. Red suns don't put out the same neutrino flux as
yellow suns do. There also exists a background 'life force' called
orgone. (As an aside, Orgone also exists in four types that have been
named after colors - Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow. Life Force is Blue
Orgone). Orgone permeates the universe. It's real.
It's possible that superman powers are caused by the interaction of
yellow sun neutrino flux with the way orgone interacts with the body of
Kryptonians. There's an ENORMOUS amount of energy in the orgone as well
as the yellow sun neutrino flux.
This neutrino flux flows outward forever and is not hindered by even
entire planets. Therefore it exists in deep space but in a much
diminished density.
Red suns generate completely different neutrino fluxes which fails to
resonate with orgone and probably dampens energy absorption for super
power generation. Green vs Red vs Blue vs Gold kryptonite effects are
probably a result of partial orgone disruption.
Kryptonites most likely severely disrupt orgone/neutrino interaction so
that it actually cuts the kryptonian off from the orgone completely to
the point that the person dies from lack of orgone. Kryptonians without
powers are not affected by kryptonite because there is for some reason
no neutrino/orgone resonance to disrupt.
Orgone and Neutrinos are real. In fact, you can build an orgone
concentrator that will cause a nuclear reactor to SCRAM sponaneously.
Tom
Bruce L. Grubb
>Kryptonites most likely severely disrupt orgone/neutrino interaction so
>that it actually cuts the kryptonian off from the orgone completely to
>the point that the person dies from lack of orgone. Kryptonians without
>powers are not affected by kryptonite because there is for some reason
>no neutrino/orgone resonance to disrupt.
As I point out in the _Earth-1 Superman Help_ thread the netreno theory
has several flaws:
First, while it explains the effects of Green K on superpowered
Kryptonians it falls flat when dealing with the other forms of K, White
and X in particular. White kills -any- plant regardless of where which
doen't jive with the neutrino idea. X is a real headache in that not only
does it weaken superpowered Kryponians but it give humans superpowers.
(<http://users.dhp.com/~spectre/superpets.html>, Superman Family #203)
Red also don't really fit into this idea because its effects only last
24-hour regardless of continued contact or not.
Second, not all red stars are old, some are very young. These are the
stars that are born as red giants and due to their size they have
tempature that rival blue stars. This also means that their consuption of
their nuclear fuel is high then our yellow sun which result in high
energy (and one would presume neutrino output)
Finally, there have been several times (Action #500 for example) in which
Superman has been put under a red sun lamp which has resulted in his
powers being neutralized. If Superman's powers came from the yellow sun's
neutrinos then a red sun lamp shouldn't effect him in the least.
Furthermore I would like to point out that from a 'real world' scientific
standpoint superhero comic books have always been off in la la land an
Pre-Crisis Kryptonite was no exception:
First it is an established fact different isotobes of an element look and
chemically act identical to each other and yet the different colors of
Kryptonite are explained as them being different isotobes which is total
nonsence.
Second, radiation's damamge is *always* culmulative so the idea that
Superman could keep running into Green K and Red K and not suffer any long
turn effects is also ridiculous.
Third, in of itself radiation is not selective about what it effects. So
the pre-crisis idea that Green, Red, and Anti K were harmless to
non-Krptonians, Blue only effected Bizarros, and White only effcted plants
was more nonsence.
Any element pumping out the amount of rems that all forms of pre-crisis K
apperently did would have given any living thing nearby a real bad case of
radiation poisoning. This aspect of K was finally explored post-Crisis
with Luthor's termimal radiation poisoning due to constantly wearing a K
ring.
Steve Premo
>I believe that there could be an applicable actual science theory that
>could explain this. Red suns don't put out the same neutrino flux as
>yellow suns do. There also exists a background 'life force' called
>orgone. (As an aside, Orgone also exists in four types that have been
>named after colors - Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow. Life Force is Blue
>Orgone). Orgone permeates the universe. It's real.
Orgone energy, hypothesized by psychotherapist Wilhelm Reich, is not
generally accepted in the scientific community. See, e.g.:
http://www.datadiwan.de/harrer/ha_001e_.htm
As with most fringe science theories, though, it has its true
believers.
Steve Premo -- Santa Cruz, California
"Minutus cantorum, minutus balorum, minutus carborata descendum pantorum."
(A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.)
http://www2.cruzio.com/~premo/steve.html
Steve Parker
wrote:
>In <369ADB74...@bellsouth.net>, Tom <t2...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>>I believe that there could be an applicable actual science theory that
>>could explain this. Red suns don't put out the same neutrino flux as
>>yellow suns do. There also exists a background 'life force' called
>>orgone. (As an aside, Orgone also exists in four types that have been
>>named after colors - Red, Green, Blue, and Yellow. Life Force is Blue
>>Orgone). Orgone permeates the universe. It's real.
>
>Orgone energy, hypothesized by psychotherapist Wilhelm Reich, is not
>generally accepted in the scientific community. See, e.g.:
>
>http://www.datadiwan.de/harrer/ha_001e_.htm
>
>As with most fringe science theories, though, it has its true
>believers.
or
http://skepdic.com/orgone.html
Steve
Tom
superpowers, Kryptonites effects, and such. What gets added is ORGONE -
Life Force.
It's not Neutrino absorption - it's the way Neutrinos interact with
Orgone. In other words, the neutrinos are a catalyst for the massive
absorption of Orgone.
Orgone is real just like Neutrinos are real.
Orgone is the life-force energy. Cut orgone off and any living thing
dies. There are foru types of Orgone named after colors - Blue, Green,
Yellow, and Red orgone.
The red lamp may not have been simple incandescent but may have had an
Orgone repulsion effect. In fact, nuclear explosions massively blow
Orgone away momentarily. I forget the issue, but there was one which had
Prez Reagan saying that the russians were a little mad and had gone and
fired a nuke at some city. Kent hears this and zips off so fast his
glasses are left suspended where his face was. He deflect the nuke but
they detonate it and he's next to it. He shrivels like a prune and is
desparately trying to get out of the cloud back into sunlight. He makes
it to the ground and latches onto a small flower which he believes has
restored his form by giving him sunlight power. The explanation in this
case is that Supe was momentarily deprived of Orgone and just berely
made it out of the Orgone-deprived zone. He was restored as the Orgone
returned to the area and he began absorbing it again.
White kryptonite interferes with yellow orgone which is where plants get
their life force. Humans utilize blue orgone. X-kryptonite may cause a
reverse resonance in humans (different density) which causes *them* to
massively absorb orgone giving them superpowers and change the resonance
of kryptonians so they absorb a lot less (much like a set of anti-noise
earphones cuts a lot of noise out).
Humans naturally utilize Orgone but at normal rates. Neutrinos by
themselves pass thorugh bodies completely unhindered. The superpowers
would derive from the Neutrino flux interacting with the orgone in the
specific density of a Kryptonian's body. It's not the Neutrinos causing
the powers, it's the massive concentration of orgone which supplies the
energy and powers.
It has been shown that just because a sun is hot and burning, it doesn't
necessarily produce the right mix of neutrinos. There are different
neutrinos. Yellow suns produce neutrinos of a certain type. Mostly muon
I think. Red supergiants burning helium produce none of these type
neutrinos (too hot in the core). Red dwarves are too cool to produce
these.
Green-K effects aren't permanent because Orgone has a healing effect and
the massive reconcentration of orgone caused by the neutrinos after the
green-K is withdrawn is the orgone rapidly healing the kryptonian's
body.
Orgone also has a unique ability in that it will eventually get used to
a disturbance which is why red-K effects only last an hour. Rather than
a total cutoff of Orgone, it causes a resonance disruption which wreaks
havoc with a kryptonian's body and mind. (Red-K disturbs, Green-K cuts
off orgone). Depending on what is dirupted, mental, physical, and
spiritual effects can occur. In fact, time and space effects can also
occur if you mess with Orgone. I have actually seen a very real Blue
Orgone accumulator used to slow time itself down. We have a Green Orgone
accumulator which *REPELS* unmagnetized ferric metals.
Green-K may have a mild localized blocking effect on orgone such that
the cells on Luthor's finger eventually lose their life force and go
cancerous. (Orgone accumulators are used in Energy Medicine to help
strengthen cells so they can naturally fend off the tendency to go
cancerous).
So it's not Neutrinos that's getting effected, it's Orgone and it's
ability to be utilized in Human, Kryptonian, and Plant life.
There is even a web site on orgonomy - http://www.orgonomy.com
Bruce L. Grubb
>I agree that Neutrino flux alone can't explain all the features of
>superpowers, Kryptonites effects, and such. What gets added is ORGONE -
>Life Force.
[snip]
>The red lamp may not have been simple incandescent but may have had an
>Orgone repulsion effect. In fact, nuclear explosions massively blow
>Orgone away momentarily. I forget the issue, but there was one which had
>Prez Reagan saying that the russians were a little mad and had gone and
>fired a nuke at some city. Kent hears this and zips off so fast his
>glasses are left suspended where his face was. He deflect the nuke but
>they detonate it and he's next to it. He shrivels like a prune and is
>desparately trying to get out of the cloud back into sunlight. He makes
>it to the ground and latches onto a small flower which he believes has
>restored his form by giving him sunlight power. The explanation in this
>case is that Supe was momentarily deprived of Orgone and just berely
>made it out of the Orgone-deprived zone. He was restored as the Orgone
>returned to the area and he began absorbing it again.
This was in Frank Miller's _The Dark Knight Returns_ and was NOT the way
the pre-Crisis Superman reacted to atomic explosions. For example there
was a story in which Superman and Batman are having a contest in which
Superman is on a boat and must hit the object that makes the loudest
noise. Jimmy's watch for some reason starts ticking and Superman
correctly deduces that the whisle on the boat constains an A-bomb - so he
punches it. Right after being at ground zero Superman flies over to Batman
expaining how he found the A-bomb and comments that sadly Jimmy's watch
didn't survive the blast.
Since as you point out Orgone is driven away by nuclear explosions and the
pre-Crisis Silver age Superman (unlike Frank Miller's version) was NOT
effected by them the Orgone theory has problems.
Furthermore the Post-Crisis Superman -stores- yellow solar radiation which
is why he retains his powers under a red sun as shown during his space
exile. Prolong
>It has been shown that just because a sun is hot and burning, it doesn't
>necessarily produce the right mix of neutrinos. There are different
>neutrinos. Yellow suns produce neutrinos of a certain type. Mostly muon
>I think. Red supergiants burning helium produce none of these type
>neutrinos (too hot in the core). Red dwarves are too cool to produce
>these.
What about blue and white star under which the Silver Age Superman's
powers -increaced-? Also there was a story about Superman under a green
sun which also effected his power in some other way.
>Green-K effects aren't permanent because Orgone has a healing effect and
>the massive reconcentration of orgone caused by the neutrinos after the
>green-K is withdrawn is the orgone rapidly healing the kryptonian's
>body.
>
>Orgone also has a unique ability in that it will eventually get used to
>a disturbance which is why red-K effects only last an hour. Rather than
>a total cutoff of Orgone, it causes a resonance disruption which wreaks
>havoc with a kryptonian's body and mind. (Red-K disturbs, Green-K cuts
>off orgone).
There are several problems with this idea.
First red-K effects generally lasted a -day- not an hour (though the
duration was as varable as its effects and independent on the size of Red
K).
Second, the duration was totally independent of continued exposure. If
Red K did disrupt Orgone absorbtion than logic indicates that continuted
exposure would increase the duration. Nothing of the sort happened.
Finally, Red-Ks effect were one time only. So the Orgone theory must not
only explain Red-K's effect but why they were one shot deals.
>Green-K may have a mild localized blocking effect on orgone such that
>the cells on Luthor's finger eventually lose their life force and go
>cancerous. (Orgone accumulators are used in Energy Medicine to help
>strengthen cells so they can naturally fend off the tendency to go
>cancerous).
You are confusing pre-Crisis Kryptonite with post-Crisis Kryptonite. Why
Pre-Crisis Kryptonite didn't effect humans at all nor did it effect
non-superpowered Krytonians is why the Neutrino theory was put forth in
the first place. In the post-Crisis DCU Kryptonite is simple a
radioactive compound that Krytonians are hypersensitive to.
needed to
John Savard
> Obviously this only deals with the Earth-1, Silver-Age Superman,
>as the current Superman only has one piece of Kryptonite to worry
>about.
Of course, he is gradually developing a few more worries. There was
the "Red Kryptonite" made by Mr. Mxyztplk in an early story; and
currently, Luthor's attempts to synthesize Kryptonite have produced
another kind of Red K that is having a psychological effect on
Superman.
John Savard
http://www.freenet.edmonton.ab.ca/~jsavard/index.html
Turlock god of insanity
>Steve Parker wrote:
>>
>> Just for fun, I decided to compile a list of various types of
>> Kryptonite, it's effects and some of it's subtler effects. This is
>> intended to be a rough draft of a Kryptonite SAQ (Seldomly Asked
>> Questions).
>
><snip>
>
>> Comments, suggestions, additions?
>
>I have a question. Was there a version of Kryptonite that amped Supey's
>powers? I thought I remembered a type of K that had this opposite
>effect of Green-K, or was this just possibly one instance of Red-K
>exposure? For some reason I thought it was Blue-K, but reading your post
>cleared that up.
>
about the red k maybe it has to do with the radiation alters reality and since
it is kryptonite its affects are only absorbed by kryptonians
just a thought
Michael
I was e-mailing Captain Comics (http://www.captaincomics.net/) about odd
kryptonite, and he mentioned vaguely remembering a variety of K that was
like gold to Bizarros. He seemed to think it was purple, but he wasn't
sure. Any thoughts?
Michael
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The Ragman
(Michael) wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>I was e-mailing Captain Comics (http://www.captaincomics.net/) about odd
>kryptonite, and he mentioned vaguely remembering a variety of K that was
>like gold to Bizarros. He seemed to think it was purple, but he wasn't
>sure. Any thoughts?
>
>Michael
That was blue K, not purple. It had the same effect on Bizarros that
green K would have on Superman. As I recall, in the story where it was
introduced, it took the "life" of a Bizarro-Supergirl.
"The truth was obscure, too profound and too pure; to live it,
you had to explode."
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