Types of Kryptonite
David Reinen
kryptonite (pre-crisis superman, of course) and their effects?
Jonas Schlein
> kryptonite (pre-crisis superman, of course) and their effects?
This is all from memory of having seen the Superfriends Cartoons many years
ago.
Green obviously weakens and eventually kills him.
Blue makes him stronger and able to recover from the effects of harmful types.
Red causes a random effect that will probably be unpleasant and uncontrollable.
I make no promises these are official or even correct as it's been quite
awhile. I do not remember seeing blue kryptonite anywhere else, but don't
think I imagined it either ;)
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Michael A. Burstein
Green is deadly
Red is a plot device (effects random)
Gold steals his powers permanently
White kills plants (?!)
Blue kills Bizarros
Black? (I think it exists)
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KID EGO
was literally over a decade ago and I can't remember) that had
white kryptonite in it, which didn't harm Superman at all, but
instead killed plants. Someone (a whole gang of villains) had
planted three huge chunks of it around the world and was going
to blow them up, releasing the powder into the atmosphere and
killing off all of Earth's plants. Anyone remember what I mean?
KID EGO
Kermit Rose
> Can someone direct me to (or post/e-mail) a listing of the various forms of
> kryptonite (pre-crisis superman, of course) and their effects?
Green Kryptonite: Basic radiation poision to superman.
Red Kryptonite: Unpredictable effect on superman. No two pieces of
have the same effect on superman. This is clearly a
writer's requirement.
White Kryptonite: Kills any plant life.
And there is also the Kryptonite that kill bizarro supermen, but is
harmless to superman. I do not remember what color it is.
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Lou Duchez
I >was literally over a decade ago and I can't remember) that had
I >white kryptonite in it, which didn't harm Superman at all, but
I >instead killed plants. Someone (a whole gang of villains) had
I >planted three huge chunks of it around the world and was going
I >to blow them up, releasing the powder into the atmosphere and
I >killing off all of Earth's plants. Anyone remember what I mean?
I don't remember that story, but I remember one where the bottled city
of Kandor was repopulated by miniature people. Seems these aliens
discovered their world was dying, and so they went to earth where they
could blend in with the population. Too bad they didn't know that
earthlings are like a zillion times larger ... Anyhoo they found the
unpopulated bottled city and moved right in. When Superman found out,
he told them that he had a gizmo to enlarge people; but the first couple
he tried it on promptly reacted *extremely* badly to earth microbes.
But white kryptonite cured them; they were shrunk back down (until Superman
could find a cure) and they all lived happily ever after, at least until
the Crisis screwed up all continuity ...
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Lou Duchez
M >Green is deadly
M >Red is a plot device (effects random)
M >Gold steals his powers permanently
M >White kills plants (?!)
M >Blue kills Bizarros
M >Black? (I think it exists)
Also, each chunk of red kryptonite does one specific, embarassing-to-the-
comics-industry thing; and it works only once per Kryptonian.
There's also anti-kryptonite, which is deadly to Kryptonians without
superpowers (such as the criminals in the phantom zone), and kryptonite-X,
which bestows Kryptonian powers upon ordinary humans.
Yes, white does kill plants, not necessarily of Kryptonian origin. It even
kills some disease organisms with plant-like characteristics.
BTW, I thought the Crisis was an utter waste. Granted, I didn't follow
it for every issue; but 1) it was written by one of the most talentless
souls on this planet (Marv Wolfman), 2) it invalidated my entire comic
book collection, and 3) as convoluted as the DC universe was, mass-
destruction doesn't solve problems, it only convolutes things more and
doesn't explain how things were pre-Crisis.
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> Can someone direct me to (or post/e-mail) a listing of the various forms
> of kryptonite (pre-crisis superman, of course) and their effects?
Okay, pre-Crisis, here were all the forms of Kryptonite. Unless
otherwise noted, these have no effect on humans.
1) Green K : Weakens Kryptonians and will eventually kill them.
2) Red K : Each Chunk has a different effect on Kryptonians and
changes them in different ways : too many to list.
3) Gold K : This permanently and irreversibly robs Kryptonians
of their power. Never used on Superman, obviously, but has been
used on a Superman-clone and on other Kryptonians.
4) White K : No effect on Kryptonians at all. Kills all forms of
plant life.
5) Blue K : Has the same effect on Bizzaros that Green K does on
normal Kryptonians : weakens and eventually kills them.
6) Jewel K : Formed from the remnants of the Jewel mountains of
Krypton. As far as I know, this only appeared in a couple of stories
and the only significance of this is that Kryptonians can focus their
minds through it to cause explosions.
7) Silver K : Only appeared in one story. A hoax.
8) Anti-Kryptonite : No effect on Kryptonians, but makes normal
Earthfolk superpowered. This was what turned Supergirl's cat
Streaky into Supercat (!!!).
Whew.
Post Crisis, only Green K exists. The pre-Crisis forms of Kryptonite
do not harm Superman, as seen in the pocket Universe story.
Red K turned up in a story, but it had no effect on Superman until
it was magically powered by Mr Mxy.
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David Beals
>7) Silver K : Only appeared in one story. A hoax.
Hold on a second here. I seem to recall a pre-Crisis Superman story where
silver Kryptonite was used, and it wasn't a hoax. It gave Kal-El amnesia for
a period of time. (In the story, Superman becomes a baseball player during this
time. It was your basic oh-gee-now-I-remember type of story.)
Then again this was a long time ago, so I might be mis-remembering someting. I
also seem to recall that this silver Kryptonite was created from the fusion
of red Kryptonite to some other form of Kryptonite.
Puzzled,
Dave B.
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instantly kill Superman if he gets within 50? miles of it. I heard
there was a series where the Earth's other heroes joined together, put
Superman in some lead chamber, got the kryptonite from whoever had it,
and buried it on some planet not telling Superman where it is...
Something like that...
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Jason Chase
JS> > Can someone direct me to (or post/e-mail) a listing of the various forms
JS> > of kryptonite (pre-crisis superman, of course) and their effects?
JS> Green obviously weakens and eventually kills him.
JS> Blue makes him stronger and able to recover from the effects of harmful
JS> types.
JS> Red causes a random effect that will probably be unpleasant and
JS> uncontrollable.
JS> I make no promises these are official or even correct as it's been quite
JS> awhile. I do not remember seeing blue kryptonite anywhere else, but don't
JS> think I imagined it either ;)
I don't remember blue either. But there was WHITE, which killed all plant
life (including Virus X from Krypton), and GOLD which would remove a
Kryptonians powers forevern. Was there a 'rainbow' kryptonite??
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>
> Post Crisis, only Green Kryptonite exists.
And they finally made the radiation deadly to humans. I always thought
it was dumb for it to have no affect on humans. I still find the faster affect
on Kryptonians a stretch but at least it is more believeable.
To help with the rate of effect any of you readers with experience in
this feild (ie. radiation & radiation/biology) feel free to respond.
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Lou Duchez
J >JS> types.
J >I don't remember blue either.
Blue only affected Bizarros. I don't think it had any affect at all on
Superman.
The Earth-3 Superman was strengthened by green kryptonite.
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Jason Chase
> And they finally made the radiation deadly to humans. I always
> thought
> it was dumb for it to have no affect on humans. I still find the faster
> affect
> on Kryptonians a stretch but at least it is more believeable.
> To help with the rate of effect any of you readers with experience
> in
> this feild (ie. radiation & radiation/biology) feel free to respond.
> DOUG
I don't see this radiation effect any different than normal 'Earth-type'
radiations affecting humans to a greater extent than, say... cockroaches!
The theory for Kryptonite to be more deadly to Kryptonians is sound. I'M not,
but IT is....
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>J >JS> Blue makes him stronger and able to recover from the effects of harmful
>J >JS> types.
>J >I don't remember blue either.
>Blue only affected Bizarros. I don't think it had any affect at all on
>Superman.
Blue Kryptonite, if you go by the one episode of SuperFriends cartoon
will cure the effect of Red Kryptonite. Otherwise, it has no effect on
healthy Kryptonians, just Bizzaros, which it kills.
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Katherine A Curtis
>BTW, I thought the Crisis was an utter waste. Granted, I didn't follow
>it for every issue; but 1) it was written by one of the most talentless
>souls on this planet (Marv Wolfman), 2) it invalidated my entire comic
>book collection, and 3) as convoluted as the DC universe was, mass-
>destruction doesn't solve problems, it only convolutes things more and
>doesn't explain how things were pre-Crisis.
1) Actually, Marv Wolfman has, in the past, been considered on of DC's
best writers. (His NEW TEEN TITANS, with George Perez--who also drew
CRISIS---was the first DC book to approach Marvel sales in over ten
years.) I personally think he did a good job considering the magnitude
of the project. (Though I think it would have been much better if he had written
the entire thing and the read it over.) It is still probably the most
important story in DC history since FLASH #123 created the multiple-Earths
theme to begin with.
2) On one hand, your comic books are complete fiction and are meaningless
anyway. On the other hand, the stories are still just as good (or bad, depending
on your opinion) and should give you the same enjoyment with or without CRISIS.
3) CRISIS, in the end, was not a matter of mass-destruction but of
change. Relatively little was destroyed (and much of the better
stuff has been recreated over the following years.)
CRISIS only convolutes things more if you start to reconcile the pre- and
post-CRISIS universes. But remember, as far as the writers and characters
are concerned (Psycho Pirate excluded), there WAS NO PRE-CRISIS UNIVERSE!
The whole multiple-Earths multiverse was erase RETROACTIVELY.
P Atcliffe
>CRISIS only convolutes things more if you start to reconcile the pre- and
>post-CRISIS universes. But remember, as far as the writers and characters
>are concerned (Psycho Pirate excluded), there WAS NO PRE-CRISIS UNIVERSE!
>The whole multiple-Earths multiverse was erased RETROACTIVELY.
Not so! Strictly speaking, all the heroes (and any villains, if there were any
-- anyone remember?) who were at the battle at the dawn of time should
remember the pre-Crisis multiverse. See Crisis #11 for details. Even the new
(post-Crisis) versions of a number of characters remember the Crisis; Superman
for one -- Byrne had him remember the Earth-Prime Superboy and the Crisis in
the first issue of the "Death of Superboy" arc. What has never been adequately
explained is WHAT they remember! Superman obviously doesn't know of pre-Crisis
Krypton, Kara Zor-El, Kandor, etc.; Batman doesn't remember being Superman's
best friend (a retcon which REALLY annoys me! As Batman said in the JLA arc
which introduced the Manhunters, he and Superman were a team -- the World's
Finest! The contrast between the Dark Knight and the Man of Steel was what
made their team-ups work, and I HATE their revamped relationship. Frankly,
they need each other: Batman needs Supes to keep him from sinking into the
dark, and Superman needs Batman to give him a sense of proportion when dealing
with ordinary people), and so on.
So we have a question to delight continuity buffs -- what do the metahumans
who were involved in the Crisis think it was all about? Obviously, those
people who were not in the battle at the Dawn of Time won't remember anything,
because for them it didn't happen (again, see Crisis #11 for an example). But
those who were there helping the Spectre should remember, although their
memories must have been revised at some stage because of the gap between
the formation of the single universe and the subsequent revisions of Superman,
Alan Sepinwall
It WAS established years ago about how much people remember from Crisis,
and pre-crisis. First off, the only people who were supposed to remember
anything that happened prior to Crisis #11 (the first issue where all the
earths are merged) were the heroes who went back to the Dawn of Time in
Crisis #10. For everyone else on Earth (including all the villains), there
was always only one earth (with the new continuity) and the Crisis only
started when the Anti-Monitor invaded the earth with his millions of
shadow demons (Crisis #12).
As for all the heroes, I think it was established in "The Last Days of the
Justice Society" (a one-shot that was supposed to have killed off the JSA)
that the more time went on after the Crisis, the less the heroes
remembered of the old continuity (it was part of Hawkman's eulogy for the
Earth-2 Robin and Huntress). I'm not positive, since it's been a while
since I read that issue, but that's the gist of what I can remember.
Also, I remember a response in some comic's letters page (not sure which
one - sorry) where someone asked about Supe's quote "I met a kid named
Superboy during the Crisis!". The answer was that Supes only remembered
the post-Crisis #10 stuff, so all he would remember is some kid named
Superboy whose presence was never explained (along with the older
Superman).
It stll doesn't make much sense, but hopefully, some of this helps.
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Jonas Schlein
posted, but my site wiped it too quick and by the time I logged on the
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Either someone forwarding me the article or the person who posted it
sending me a copy would be greatly appreciated.
It contained a collection of all the ones I've ever heard of plus a few I
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Mike Brokowski
P Atcliffe <p_at...@pat.uwe.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <27tn08$i...@senator-bedfellow.MIT.EDU> kcu...@athena.mit.edu (Katherine A Curtis) writes:
>
>>CRISIS only convolutes things more if you start to reconcile the pre- and
>>post-CRISIS universes. But remember, as far as the writers and characters
>>are concerned (Psycho Pirate excluded), there WAS NO PRE-CRISIS UNIVERSE!
>>The whole multiple-Earths multiverse was erased RETROACTIVELY.
>
>Not so! Strictly speaking, all the heroes (and any villains, if there were any
>-- anyone remember?) who were at the battle at the dawn of time should
>remember the pre-Crisis multiverse.
I don't think there were any villians there. They all had a
different task, to go back to Oa at the time that Krona was
attempting to view the beginning of the universe (which caused
the whole multiverse split, I think) and stop him.
At the end of the crisis, I am pretty sure that it was stated that
everyone, even those at the battle at the dawn of time, would
eventually forget the pre-crisis universe. And, in my view, it
looks like everyone did. A curious exception was the Legion of
Superheroes, who "remembered" the crisis for quite a while after
the event itself. Actually, that was one of the main reasons I
continued to buy that title. But even they were destroyed and
"reborn" in order to reconcile Byrne's corrupted Superman.
(As a side note: I was always a little peaved that DC didn't
allow the Time Trapper to know what happened during the crisis,
even though he wasn't at the dawn of time with the heroes. It
seems like he should've known anyway; that *is* {was} his power
anyway, mastery of time.)
> See Crisis #11 for details. Even the new
>(post-Crisis) versions of a number of characters remember the Crisis; Superman
>for one -- Byrne had him remember the Earth-Prime Superboy and the Crisis in
>the first issue of the "Death of Superboy" arc. What has never been adequately
>explained is WHAT they remember! Superman obviously doesn't know of pre-Crisis
>Krypton, Kara Zor-El, Kandor, etc.;
Don't forget that there are two entirely distinct phenomena here.
The first is the crisis, which, within the fictional continuity,
changed the history of several characters. The other is Byrne's
handiwork, which dumped the old history of Superman and others
without a story to back it up; it just simply never was. For a
time after the crisis, Supes (and the LSH) remembered Kara, for
instance, even though she was dead. In fact, the crisis itself
didn't erase her history. So far as I know there *was* a Kandor
and Kara's history remained as it had before. (However, Power
Girl's history changed alot.) The reason there is no (and never
was a) Supergirl now is because Byrne revamped the Superman
history and thought it'd be cool if there was only one survivor
of Krypton. But this had nothing to do with the crisis, it was
simply history thrown out without a story or time change or any
such thing.
> Batman doesn't remember being Superman's
>best friend (a retcon which REALLY annoys me! As Batman said in the JLA arc
>which introduced the Manhunters, he and Superman were a team -- the World's
>Finest! The contrast between the Dark Knight and the Man of Steel was what
>made their team-ups work, and I HATE their revamped relationship. Frankly,
>they need each other: Batman needs Supes to keep him from sinking into the
>dark, and Superman needs Batman to give him a sense of proportion when dealing
>with ordinary people), and so on.
Ditto.
>So we have a question to delight continuity buffs -- what do the metahumans
>who were involved in the Crisis think it was all about? Obviously, those
>people who were not in the battle at the Dawn of Time won't remember anything,
>because for them it didn't happen (again, see Crisis #11 for an example). But
>those who were there helping the Spectre should remember, although their
>memories must have been revised at some stage because of the gap between
>the formation of the single universe and the subsequent revisions of Superman,
Agreed. But, as I said, I'm pretty sure that the last issue of
crisis mentions that *everyone* will eventually forget, even those
with the spectre.
Later,
Mike
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p_at...@pat.uwe.ac.uk (P Atcliffe) writes:
>
> So we have a question to delight continuity buffs -- what do the metahumans
> who were involved in the Crisis think it was all about? Obviously, those
> people who were not in the battle at the Dawn of Time won't remember anything,
> because for them it didn't happen (again, see Crisis #11 for an example). But
> those who were there helping the Spectre should remember, although their
> memories must have been revised at some stage because of the gap between
> the formation of the single universe and the subsequent revisions of Superman,
I wish I had a dollar for every time this question was asked, I could afford to
take a day off work :-).
The basic answer is : initially DC intended all the heroes and heroines at the
dawn of time to remember everything in the pre-Crisis multiverse. However, there
were some key heroes who were not at the begining of time : Nightwing comes to
mind, he was on Tamaran at that time.
Also, Crisis #11, which seems to confuse people a lot, did NOT happen in the
post-Crisis world. It has a clearly pre-Crisis Lex Luthor. Most of the
post-Crisis changes took place later. If you really want to be technical, you
can say there was a time when the Universe was in flux, before it settled into
the post-Crisis Universe.
So, what do people remember ? Essentially, they remember the red skies, the
Monitors, and a major battle. They remember the deaths of Flash and a few other
heroes. No one (sob) remembers Kara Zor-el. Individual events in the Crisis are
too difficult to pin down. so I'm not even going to try. For instance, Hawkman
was revamped later, and the Legion didn't meet Superman till later etc. etc.
Abhijit