OT, but relevant
CyberDoc
I really enjoyed your post regarding how to turn people on to comic books as
it was very thoughtful and thought-provoking. I would like to give it a shot
responding to you.
It is my experience reading comics since the mid-fifties that comic books
are essentially a brain-expanding medium. That is, you have words and you
have pictures. Comics combine BOTH words and pictures, so it stimulates the
brain on two levels at once - the visual level and the intellectual language
level. Add to that the fact that comics often are drawn to depict dramatic,
radical action in three-dimensional space (flying, swinging on bat rope,
fighting in mid-air etc) and you have yet more brain being stimulated. That
is why I say that, when I read a comic book, I truly enter a unique world
that is distinct from the movies, reading a book, or watching television -
and definitely different than conventional everyday reality.
That is why, I think, that certain people really relate to and love comic
books, and many people just don't get it. I am sure the same can be said of
other mediums of communication. I cannot fathom ballet, yet I fully
appreciate and recognize it as a valid art form that communicates ideas and
experience in a unique way. The same can be said of various styles of music,
art, writing, radio, television and so forth.
How do you turn people on to comic books? I don't know for sure that you
can, unless the person is comic-prone by how their brain is wired or
whatever. My wife did not like comic books, science fiction, or horror
movies etc. when we met twenty-four years ago. Since then she has developed
a keen appreciation for science fiction and horror movies thanks to (or
maybe blamed on!) my influence. Although she appreciates comic books and
cartoon shows as a valid art and storytelling method, she won't pick one up
and read it or watch a cartoon show for more than five minutes. Her eyes
just glaze over and she looks for a magazine or another show to watch.
I am the same way about certain things that many people like. I cannot
fathom why anyone would sit through these idiotic situation comedies. They
recycle the same dumb situations and jokes over and over, occasionally
spiced by innuendo of the sexual kind. I have never been able to sit through
a complete episode of Seinfeld or whatever. I initially get bored and then
irritable until I just get up and go do something else.
So I don't really know if you can turn someone on to comics unless they are
already sort of comic-prone. I think it may be the way their (our) brains
work. All you can do is introduce them to comics and see if they take to it.
Regards... CyberDoc Stone
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realise that discussion of Batman is what it should be devoted to,
right?
But the more I look at the comics industry, the more that I think that
it needs context in order to work. The more I talk to people about
comics, the more I see that any single comic can't exist in a vaccuum,
without context.
Show someone an issue of, say, Gotham Adventures, even one of the really
great ones which is self-contained (like #1, or perhaps The Grey Ghost
issue, #3 isn't it?), and people generally don't care. They don't get
it, they're not interested in it because it's not a medium within which
stories can be told without context.
So.
My question.
Right.
<ahem>
How do you introduce someone to comics?
(Specifically, Batman, since we are where we are)
My feeling is that there are several directions to approach this in.
The first is to make the... the Victim, understand the medium. Explain
the marriage of words and pictures, relate sections of Understanding
Comics or Comics and Sequential Art to them, talk about framing and page
layout, writing and scripting and plotting, the penciller, the inker and
the industry as a whole, and then give them the book.
Number two is to introduce them to comics on a sliding scale of
difficulty. Start with collections of mediocre work, which have a clear
beginning, middle and end with satisfying resolution and no real change
in existing continuity. Something like, say, The Death of Superman,
World without Superman and The Return of Superman. Simple, basic and
basically a three-act movie. Then progress to more complex stories,
more adult themes, finally ending up with a complex thematically linked
story which requires involvement of the reader, like, say, The Killing
Joke or The Dark Knight Returns or Venom or whatever.
The third is to relate the comic to other mediums, like film, and show
how the reader can initially treat the comic like a cross between this
and that and the other thing, showing him the Batman films and Spawn and
Blade, with accompanying examples of the same character in comics, and
then allow the transition to take place.
(Rambling a bit here, probably lost everyone by now)
Personally I feel uncomfortable with all three of these routes, because
none of them seem to cover all the aspects of the comic clearly enough
to allow the casual reader to appreciate the nuances of style in truly
fantastic works like Watchmen or V for Vendetta or The Dark Knight
Returns or whatever. All the elements which blow me away, to do with
the creative processes and the background to the story and the history
of the character and the balance between words and pictures, etc etc.
So I wondered, if anyone had better ideas, or experiences which they
might want to share, relating how they found out about comics, what made
them appreciate that Tim Sale wasn't rubbish because no-one looked
realistic, and that X-Men weren't all they were cracked up to be, and
what people really should be looking out for is the O'Neil/Adams Ra's Al
Ghul stories and the Loeb/Sale Halloween books and Batman Adventures
books with art by Rick Burchett...
So.
Yeah.
Anyone?
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MadiHolmes
>a complete episode of Seinfeld or whatever. I initially get bored and then
>irritable until I just get up and go do something else.
Wow... not even the Bizzaro episode??
I mean, that's just a great ep for any comic fan :)
MadiHolmes
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nort...@tln.net ("CyberDoc") wrote:
> How do you turn people on to comic books? I don't know for sure that
> you can, unless the person is comic-prone by how their brain is wired
> or whatever.
I find that difficult to believe. For a start, the subject-matter does
play a role. My ex-girlfriend truly loved books like Impulse, Barry
Ween, Mark Evanier and Sergio Aragones books as well as many others,
mostly comedy comics. But she wasn't even interested in the idea of
reading a Batman comic, of any kind. She "read" Watchmen in 15 minutes,
said it was all right, but that's as far as it ever went.
But on the flip-side, I've had great difficulty getting some people to
read comics, regardless of their content, because of the structure and
layout of the book. Watchmen is, I think everyone agrees, a masterpiece
of structured writing; Moore's 9 panel layout truly lends itself to
clear, easy-to-follow reading, and I think that's one of the reasons why
it's such a success. But 2 people have said to me that the words are
just too difficult to make out, that the pictures distract them, or that
it just gives them a headache (similar complaints by my Mum about TDKR,
but in that case it's more understandable).
So there must be another way of helping a reader to interact with the
comic in an easier way.
I refuse to believe that someone could not like Comics, any more than
someone could not like Films or Books. You *can* say that you've never
read a comic you enjoyed (fair enough), or never seen a film that caught
your imagination (quite likely), or you could say that a book involves
too much thought for you, or that a film moves too fast, or that a comic
has too much going on for you to deal with, but those are all either
failures in the content or failures in the drive and commitment of the
reader.
> I am the same way about certain things that many people like. I cannot
> fathom why anyone would sit through these idiotic situation comedies.
But, for example, there is a sitcom that was aired over here in the UK
several months ago called "Spaced". Spaced featured fantastic writing,
surreal characters, occasional non-linear storytelling techniques,
lacked the usual "laughter track" and was generally speaking the
greatest sitcom that I have ever seen.
The question is, would you dismiss it automatically because it was a
comedy program which was based around a simple premise (namely two
characters forced to live together in order to find accomodation), or
would you be willing to keep an open mind and try the first episode?
If so, then the medium is not so powerful as to blanket the message out,
and so it must be possible to persuade people that comics can be more
than they might initially appear to be. And, if not, then would there
be any way to persuade you to try this program? Like, for example,
showing you some of the writers'/performers' other work, or whatever?
> Regards... CyberDoc Stone
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> >I have never been able to sit through a complete episode of Seinfeld or
whatever. I initially get bored and then irritable until I just get up and
go do something else.>>
>
> Wow... not even the Bizzaro episode??>>
Yeah I never made it far enough in Seinfeld watching to catch it, no doubt
to my detriment! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Regards... CyberDoc Stone
CyberDoc
Well after all there are only so many hours to life in Timespace... and we
have to choose how we spend it so that's the choice we make I guess.
Regards... CyberDoc Stone
MadiHolmes
>But on the flip-side, I've had great difficulty getting some people to
>read comics, regardless of their content, because of the structure and
>layout of the book.
I have a similiar problem with another "written artform."
I cannot fathom poetry <I still have trouble with that GL poem>.
I find it odd as I can get music lyrics, I can write, I can even get Burma
shaving cream ads, but ask me to understand anything harder than Dr. Seuss, and
I'm a dud.
Perhaps it is just the "mentality" people have with comics <it's all kid
stuff>, and that's the major turn-off.
Books used to have illustrations in them <Doyle's and Dickens' works come to
mind>. Then the "illustrations should only be for children books" mentality
came about the turn of the century. It was then passe to have pictures of any
kind.
That mentality is still felt today.
Give someone Maus, and I'm sure that they'd find it an excellent book. This is
probably because it doesn't talk down to anyone. It is a completely mature,
often graphic book that just has illustrations.
I believe that Maus would be less of a book if there were no pigs, dogs, mice,
or cats in them at all. The anthropomorphizing is a major point of the story.
If more "comic" books were made like this <not necessarily about the
concentration camps>, then there would be a bigger audience, imo. And comics
would become less specialized.
MadiHolmes
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madih...@aol.com (MadiHolmes) wrote:
> Give someone Maus, and I'm sure that they'd find it an excellent book.
> This is probably because it doesn't talk down to anyone. It is a
> completely mature, often graphic book that just has illustrations.
That's a good point - all of the people I've mentioned have read Maus.
I wonder... is it to do with the fact that this book is non-fiction? A
similarly highly regarded work (at least over here in England) is
Raymond Briggs' "Ethel and Ernest", which tells the story of his
parent's lives together.
Do people feel that these are the books which use the Medium to it's
greatest advantage? And once the medium has been given legitimacy by
its use as a communication form for actual events, could things then
develop from there? Raymond Briggs certainly has created other "comics"
which are well-thought of...
Hmmm...
> MadiHolmes
Ok. Sorry. Wasted enough bandwidth, I've gotten some thoughts back,
I'll keep quiet now... :-)
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: I have a similiar problem with another "written artform."
: I cannot fathom poetry.
Poetry is. :) I love poetry! I can be a better poet than a writer,
when I want to be. :) Poetry speaks things that stories never will.
: <I still have trouble with that GL poem>.
Which one be that?
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Loren Di Iorio
: She "read" Watchmen in 15 minutes...
I really don't know what to say to this, other than that's impossible
("not impossible, but...*highly* improbable"). ;)
: If so, then the medium is not so powerful as to blanket the message out,
: and so it must be possible to persuade people that comics can be more
: than they might initially appear to be. And, if not, then would there
: be any way to persuade you to try this program? Like, for example,
: showing you some of the writers'/performers' other work, or whatever?
There are two main problems with getting people to pick up a comic:
1. the stigma of comics as books for children
2. zero mass-marketing strategy
If they can get after #2, they might be able to chip away at #1.
MadiHolmes
>
>: <I still have trouble with that GL poem>.
>
>Which one be that?
<hangs head in shame>
It's the "In Blackest Night" one...
MadiHolmes
KRothst402
for different people. My father I could never get into comics (although he did
read the story i wrote and laughed) and I guess he could be trained that way :)
but other than that, I don't see it.
Now, if I had to approach my busy stock broker friend, I think I would give him
a TPB. A 22 page comic would pass too quickly in his busy day and not register
even a blip, but if he could be persuaded to read a TPB on a sunday maybe, he
might come away with an impression.
I think I would give him FROM HELL because it is about Jack The Ripper, and
thus is a legit subject for an adult to read and discuss in public (in front of
his wife).
For my mother, she is a busy legal secretary and is going to look at a huge TPB
and say "don't bother me". So for someone who is not likely to sit down on a
sunday, I'd give her a 22 page comic, and probably would dig out an old MAZE
AGENCY mystery comic.
Batman is a comic I would never give as a first book. It has too many
connotations of being for kids and being silly even as it pretends not to be.
But I would give them the Alan Moore last Superman story because everyone knows
who Lois and Jimmy are, and there is no work required to get into it. I think
that comic is a perfect choice for a civilian. And civilians are not
threatened by a little goofiness if the product acknowledges its goofiness and
would have no problem getting a chuckle out of Krypto the Super Dog.
But I certainly would not sit someone down and explain why comics are a good
medium beforehand. It has to be a reaction thing, not a reaction they think
they should have.
robertso
Megan's birthday's coming up, I'm hard pressed what to get her. She's a
studier of Jewish History, specifically the Second World War period, should
I get her Maus, having read it when it first came out...it seems to the best
thing for her...seeing as she doesn't mind Comics...being a quasi-Batman fan
with me.
Peter Robertson
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yu21...@yorku.ca (Loren Di Iorio) wrote:
> Madi wrote:
> : <I still have trouble with that GL poem>.
>
> Which one be that?
"In Darkest Day, In Blackest Night,
No Evil Shall Escape My Sight.
Let Those Who Worship Evil's Might,
Beware My Power, Green Lantern's... Ring."
I always forget that last word... ;-)
> ...Loren
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robe...@ihug.com.au ("robertso") wrote:
> Megan's birthday's coming up, I'm hard pressed what to get her. She's
> a studier of Jewish History, specifically the Second World War period,
> should I get her Maus, having read it when it first came out...
Definitely. Both volumes of Maus are fantastic stories, wonderfully
engaging and informative.
> Peter Robertson
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yu21...@yorku.ca (Loren Di Iorio) wrote:
> Pi wrote:
> : She "read" Watchmen in 15 minutes...
>
> I really don't know what to say to this, other than that's impossible
> ("not impossible, but...*highly* improbable"). ;)
Still, it's a good boast. I doubt many people would try to make it...
> There are two main problems with getting people to pick up a comic:
> 1. the stigma of comics as books for children
> 2. zero mass-marketing strategy
>
> If they can get after #2, they might be able to chip away at #1.
#2 is a superficial one as far as I'm concerned. It deals more with the
problems of the Comic Retailer Industry. That people don't know where
to find these books isn't the problem, even if they did they wouldn't go
in and have a look. #1, the Stigma, is a problem - I was wandering
about Oxford, showing off the Dreaming Spires to a friend and her dad,
and passed the comic shop, went in to look for Planetary #10. They
stood outside for 2 minutes, not wanting even to go inside before
eventually relenting and having a quick browse. This, despite the fact
that I know the girl reads The Beano (children's comic) as a laugh, and
the Dad later admitted that he used to read Mad avidly.
But even once you get past your two problems, and get the "casual"
reader to pick up the comic, they very quickly put it down again. It's
the actual "reading", getting some sort of invovlement in the story
which is so difficult.
Interestingly, academics seem to be better at reading through rubbish
completely before casting judgement on it. I guess they're used to
having to read every aspect of a text before pronouncing it to be tripe.
> ...Loren
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>
> If I had to get someone into comics, I guess I would take different approaches
> for different people.
Yeah, I'd take the same approach. The most important thing is that
people are after different things from they're stories. My brother
loves TDKR, but I've never been able to get him to read any others
(though I'm currently working on Kingdom Come). From what I can tell,
the major things you need to do to get someone into comics is:
a) give them a few issues of a good solid story. Something that is
acknowledged as a classic.
b) make sure it's self-contained, ie they can read the entire story
(although a few minor sub-plot threads left hanging are always good) and
you don't have to explain who too many of the characters are. As much
as most people would hate to hear it, this is where the majority of
Elseworlds come in. They tend to be slightly darker and more mature
than most comics, and any character will be introduced from scratch. ie
they're entire backstory, or as much as you need to know will be
explained asyou go along.
Classic examples of this are mainly, well, TDKR and Sandman TPB. These
also have the advantage that they're completely self-contained.
Kingdom Come is pretty good as well, it's a solid story, the main
characters are generally people non-comic readers are likely to know
(Bats, Supes, WW and Luthor) and the only thing you need to know about
anyon else is what is said on the page. If you can get the HC with the
explanation at the back, then even better . . .
c) find out the sort of thing they like. I'm currently working on a
friend to get her reading GK, simply because she's more psychology based
than anything else, and she likes reading about people rather than
plots. If you can find out the sort of thing they like then you can
start working on them. A book every couple of weeks is always good.
Then just work from there, talk to them about the issues they've read,
see what they think, lend them different comics to read if you think
they might like them, eventually suggest an on going series they might
enjoy (if it's just starting, so they can hop on board from the start
then even better). Just take it one step at a time, and for god's sake,
don't stifle them with a mound of comics. That's worse than the kiss of
death . . .
Cam
Josh Dull
1) In the United States it's looked down as being for childern. Their are
cultures outside of the US (Japan being the best example) where this
mentality doesn't exist and comics are read by all ages, classes, and types
of people.
2) Availability. Comics are not easy things to find. Not everyone can go to
a comic shop and some people are turned off by the idea of doing so (partly
due to reason #1 and the attitude of many comic shop owners towards
customers). When I was a kid I could go to any supermarket and find row upon
row of all kinds of comics. But that's no longer the case. If people can't
find them, how do we expect them to read them?
Josh
Loren Di Iorio
: Loren wrote:
:
: >> I still have trouble with that GL poem.
: > Which one be that?
:
: <hangs head in shame> It's the "In Blackest Night" one...
"In brightest day
In blackest night
No evil shall escape my sight
Let those who worship evil's might
Beware my power...Green Lantern's light!"
What troubles you with it?
Since I can almost never resist the topic of GL Oaths without
reciting Alan's...
"And I shall shed my light over dark evil
For the dark things cannot stand the light!
...the light of the Green Lantern!"
There...I'm happy now. :)
Loren Di Iorio
: But even once you get past your two problems, and get the "casual"
: reader to pick up the comic, they very quickly put it down again.
: story which is so difficult.
Well, I was no better, in that respect.
I read SotB #1-4 and the Infinity Gauntlet mini when I was 12...a kid.
Sure, I enjoyed reading them then, but that didn't inspire me to go
into a comic shop and start buying. Maybe it's because I was only 12.
Maybe I didn't even consider it.
Anyway, I didn't start until something like four years after that,
after reading KnightsEnd. I don't believe my earlier reading affected
that in any way. My cousin, who was collecting at the time and has
since stopped, suggested that if I liked that comic so much, I should
go with him to the shop the next day, to sample some of the Bat-books
that were out there.
I did, and after a day, I bought one of each of the four main titles,
to get a sample of them all, to see if I liked any (faqs are lovely;
read faqs, newbies ;) ), and there you have it.
Loren Di Iorio
: "In Darkest Day, In Blackest Night,
: No Evil Shall Escape My Sight.
: Let Those Who Worship Evil's Might,
: Beware My Power, Green Lantern's... Ring."
:
: I always forget that last word... ;-)
Come on, Pi...it's gotta rhyme. Everyone knows it's "bite". ;)
MadiHolmes
>>
>> Which one be that?
>
>No Evil Shall Escape My Sight.
>Let Those Who Worship Evil's Might,
>Beware My Power, Green Lantern's... Ring."
That'd be the one. I don't know, whenever I see a poem, my line of vision goes
blurry.
I don't know why it happens. I literally have to force myself to read it.
>I always forget that last word... ;-)
Is that like forgetting the last word to "water, water everywhere?"
MadiHolmes
Lennon Johnson
> Pi wrote:
> : But even once you get past your two problems, and get the "casual"
> : reader to pick up the comic, they very quickly put it down again.
> : It's the actual "reading", getting some sort of involvement in the
> : story which is so difficult.
These days it's difficult to get anyone to read anything, what with TV,
DVDs, and the internet. (I know the net invloves reading, per say, but you
know what I mean.) That and people don't have the time to sit and read.
As for comics specifically, it's mostly just misconception, as people have
said.
> I read SotB #1-4 and the Infinity Gauntlet mini when I was 12...a kid.
> Sure, I enjoyed reading them then, but that didn't inspire me to go
> into a comic shop and start buying. Maybe it's because I was only 12.
> Maybe I didn't even consider it.
I was always the same way. My older brother has been collecting comics ever
since I can remember, and he's the main reason I ever read them when I was
younger. Still, I never even thought to go into a shop and collect titles on
a regular basis. The closest I got was grabbing a few back issues of
She-Hulk a very *very* long time ago. But after that, I lost interest in
comics.
> Anyway, I didn't start until something like four years after that,
> after reading KnightsEnd. I don't believe my earlier reading affected
> that in any way. My cousin, who was collecting at the time and has
> since stopped, suggested that if I liked that comic so much, I should
> go with him to the shop the next day, to sample some of the Bat-books
> that were out there.
What actually got me into Batman again was the debut of the Animated Series.
I mean, it was the coolest cartoon on TV (and still is, whever it might be
that they show the original series). But I still didn't think to read or
collect Batman comic books then.
It wasn't till a while after that when my bro took me to the shop again that
thought to look at Bat-books. I ended up buying the Contagion and Legacy
TPBs cause they sounded cool. =) I loved them, but still the idea of going
to the shop every week didn't appeal to me, so I grabbed only TPBs every
once in a while.
> I did, and after a day, I bought one of each of the four main titles,
> to get a sample of them all, to see if I liked any (faqs are lovely;
> read faqs, newbies ;) ), and there you have it.
I didn't even collect comics when I first started hanging out on ACB, aamof
(which was about a year ago, methinks). It was hanging out here that got me
to start collecting regularly. My monthly income is now greatly depleted
thanks to the many wonderful people I met on this ng (especially Loren who
insisted I collect NW, which started it all). Not that I mind, of course.
I'm a happy comics collector. =)
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Chris Small
> ...but still the idea of going to the shop every week didn't appeal
> to me...
Nor does it me, or many other people, which is why I think TPBs and
Graphic Novels have to be the way of the future. A lot of people who do
read comics now, and the potential untapped readership, are not doing so
to scrounge around in dusty boxes to find part X of Y -- like stamp
collectors. They're not doing so to hurry about and try to locate
the newest capture. They're doing so to be entertained and/or
enlightened the way they do with other mediums.
Now go read Channel Zero.
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> Peter Says:
>
> Pye, bain of my life through so many geometry classes, I say thanks.
No worries. I'll try to go easy on you next time someone mentions the
volume of a sphere. If, that is, you can tell me the the difference
between significant figures and decimal places... ;-)
> BTW...What's a Triangle?
The thing that comes above a line and below a square. Next?
> PeterR
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: Pye, bain of my life through so many geometry classes, I say thanks.
: BTW...What's a Triangle?
It's one of those things that goes <ding!> when you hit it. ;)
1 triangle + 1 triangle = 1 diamond
1 diamond = ... ;)
robertso
Pye, bain of my life through so many geometry classes, I say thanks.
BTW...What's a Triangle?
PeterR
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robertso
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> Peter wrote:
> : Pye, bain of my life through so many geometry classes, I say thanks.
> : BTW...What's a Triangle?
>
> It's one of those things that goes <ding!> when you hit it. ;)
>
> 1 triangle + 1 triangle = 1 diamond
Peter.
Loren Di Iorio
: Loren wrote:
:
: > 1 triangle + 1 triangle = 1 diamond
:
: 1 diamond = Marriage to Fair Mistress Megan...sorry...getting the bug.
Nice redirect, Peter! Kitey would be proud. :)
Chris Small
>>1 triangle + 1 triangle = 1 diamond
>>1 diamond = Marriage to Fair Mistress Megan.
Megan Loves Kite-Man?
Peter marries Megan.
Therefore Peter is.....
Loren Di Iorio
: Peter R. and Loren Wrote:
:
: >> 1 triangle + 1 triangle = 1 diamond
: >> 1 diamond = Marriage to Fair Mistress Megan.
:
: Megan Loves Kite-Man?
: Peter marries Megan.
: Therefore Peter is...
Makes sense to me. I mean, another of Australia's famous characters
is Captain Boomerang, so... ;)
robertso
To paraphrase a a certain Grey-faced (NOT CLAYFACED) villian
Who is your absolute ruler...Peter is...not...Megan is my ruler and
master...I know that now...I live to service...sorry...serve
her...heheheh...
PeterR
Going to the Chapel and we're gonna get tied down and beaten to within an
inch of our lives...curse these new rules brought in by Vatican II.
Hang on...Vatican 2...what did The Maple Leaf's get???
Loren Di Iorio <yu21...@yorku.ca> wrote in message
news:8vhbee$5qb$2...@sunburst.ccs.yorku.ca...
> Chris wrote:
> : Peter R. and Loren Wrote:
> :
> : >> 1 triangle + 1 triangle = 1 diamond
> : >> 1 diamond = Marriage to Fair Mistress Megan.
> :
> : Megan Loves Kite-Man?
> : Peter marries Megan.
> : Therefore Peter is...
>
> Makes sense to me. I mean, another of Australia's famous characters
> is Captain Boomerang, so... ;)
>