I was under the impression that Gotham was in New Jersey-- but as compared
to a real city. I have heard it put this way.
Metropolis => Park Ave in broad daylight.
Gotham. => Hells Kitchen at 2 in the morning.
Hope the analgy works for you.
Dreamkids1 <dream...@aol.com> wrote in article
: Actually, I think DC published something a few years back that located
: all of the major cities in their comics. Gotham was based on New York
: and Metropolis was based on Chicago. Can anyone confirm this?
I can confirm that you're only partly correct.
Gotham is based on New York and Metropolis is based on Toronto (where I
am). This can be found in one of the recent lettercols in a Bat comic.
Sorry, I can't remember which one off-hand; it came out in the past few
months when someone asked about it.
I could look it up for you if you want.
...Loren T. Di Iorio
Of course the crime rates have dropped incredibly in NY, so maybe Batman
has been here all along.
In one of the issues I have, one of the editors said that Gotham was lower New
York City and Metropolis was Upper New York City. Well, at least that is what
they were based on.
Some adventure for fame, some adventure for glory, me I just like to blow
Incoming fire has the right of way.
So where's Keystone City?
Planning a vacation in the DC Universe... (It's a joke, son)
: Here's my 2 cents for what it's worth: I always thought Gotham was Gotham
: (somewhere in the northeast--NJ) and New York was New York in its present
: location. I'm not positive, but I vaguely remember reading somewhere that
: Metropolis is based on Toronto and located somewhere in its general
: vicinity. Gotham, while it is undoubtably based on NY, is a separate
: city. For example, in a recent Spectre (no. 51--excellent issue, by the
So it wasn't just me who thought Metropolis was based on Toronto! Thanks
for helping out. Like I said previously, I, too, read that somewhere. I
went through all the Bat-comics and related titles that I have from the
past half year, but came up empty in the lettercols. It's gotta be
somewhere, though. Maybe it was in a recent Wizard...
(a few minutes pass...)
Just found the October '96 Wizard #62. On page 10, in answer to this
question, the editor (or whatever position Jim McLauchlin fills) states
"...the fact of the matter is...that Gotham is loosely based on New York,
while Metropolis is based on Toronto."
Hope that clears things up for everyone.
: bring him back. Also, I think Bludhaven (current home of Nightwing) is in
: the general area of Baltimore--it's always referred to as south of Gotham.
That's a viable possibility. Good call.
In <5jglev$3ud$1...@post.servtech.com> fal...@cyber1.servtech.com (robert
>: Actually, I think DC published something a few years back that located
>: all of the major cities in their comics. Gotham was based on New York
>: and Metropolis was based on Chicago. Can anyone confirm this?
>I can confirm that you're only partly correct.
>Gotham is based on New York and Metropolis is based on Toronto (where I
>am). This can be found in one of the recent lettercols in a Bat comic.
>Sorry, I can't remember which one off-hand; it came out in the past few
>months when someone asked about it.
>I could look it up for you if you want.
In an afterword written by Dennis O'Neil for the novelization of
Knightfall, he states Gotham is "New York's mirror-world counterpart."
He also adds "Batman's Gotham City is Manhattan below Fourteenth Street
at eleven minutes past midnight on the coldest night in November." But
don't get me wrong, Wizard Magazine stated New York does exist in the
DCU (just read Green Lantern or Spectre) and is a one (or two) hour
drive from Gotham. Though Metropolis was originally based on Toronto
by Siegal $ Schuster, it has taken more New York characteristics for
nearly 60 years. What I find ridiculous is the fact that the Statue of
Liberty appears in Metropolis in Superman IV and in Gotham in Batman
It was not actually the statue of liberty. It had a sword or shield or
something. It was more like the statue you see in "The Shadow of the
Bat" episodes of the animated series.
"I do it for the weak, and the scared, and the oppressed. I do it for
the victims - the innocent - the abused.
I do it to try to end the suffering ... and I do it for the nobodies" -
(Batman: Shadow of the Bat #13).
New York was actually called Gotham City back in the twenties, and if
you remember the movie SUPERMAN, he and Lois Lane were flying around the
Statue of Liberty. I guess Tricorner would be Brooklyn(right across the
river from Gotham).
Yeah, I know. That was my whole point.
Even worse is television. An example is an early episode of Lois & Clark
(I believe it was the first season) where Clark is shown flying from
Metropolis, where New York should be, to China. But later, Clark flies
home to Smallville, Kansas and explains his tardiness due to an electrical
storm over Cleveland. Now how is Cleveland along the flight path from the
eastern seaboard to Kansas? My best guess is it was just a blurb to pay
homage to Siegal & Schuster.
BTW, it was in a recent issue of Wizard Magazine stating Gotham was a one
(or two) hour drive from New York and Metropolis. And somehow
Bludhaven is in between. Talk about some crowded demographics.
> >What I find ridiculous is the fact that the Statue of
> >: Liberty appears in Metropolis in Superman IV and in Gotham in
Batman Forever. (GAH!)
Call me crazy, but I think the statue in the comics AND the movie is
the Lady Gotham of something ridiculous like that... I know I've heard
it mentioned in the books at one point or another...
> (a few minutes pass...)
Actually, Bludhaven is in the general area of Newark or Jersey City.
Bludhaven has repeatedly been referred to as a drain-off type of city, and
as being Gotham's ugly little sister. Baltimore isn't New York's ugly
little sister, Newark and Jersey City are. Plus, Baltimore isn't that
close to New York.
new york was the setting for the batman stories in "detective comics"
when it first started, but then they started to use the nickname for new
york, which, at the time, was "gotham city". it then eventually turned
into a city of it's own.
i heard a really interesting angle that gotham is actually based on
chicago, because of it's gothic architecture. new york has some too, but
chicago has a bit more up the ass.
i just think that it's a coastal city in the east with a huge port, some
rivers, and a blown up section that got killed in "contagion". i'd really
like to believe that it's in new york state.
but i think that bludhaven is in new jersey, because it;s supposed to be
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BORISER <bor...@aol.com> wrote in article
Also, each archtypical city is just that, so that each set of writers and
artists can change and rearrange the cityscape to suit their purposes.
This is not to say other cities do make up some of the fabric of Gotham
and Metropolis, just that I beleive the original inspiration was New York
for each fictional city.
Michael T Novy <mn...@shrike.depaul.edu> wrote in article
I believe the original concept for Gotham was that it was like Pittsburgh
after years of property from the steel mills of the industrial revolution
had taken it's toll creating a dark crime ridden city. Metropolis was
New York, a still bright and thriving city.
>Michael T Novy <mn...@shrike.depaul.edu> wrote in article
>> I believe that Metropolis is also New York, as is Gotham...
>I believe the original concept for Gotham was that it was like Pittsburgh
>after years of property from the steel mills of the industrial revolution
>had taken it's toll creating a dark crime ridden city. Metropolis was
>New York, a still bright and thriving city.
both of the cities would have been modelled after a number of
the writers of Batman grew up, lived and worked in southern Illinois.
while the ideas for the physical looks of both cities would have come
from the numerous books and movies of the 1930's to 1950's the moral
and cultural values of the people were those of the midwest USA.
both cities could have been the how those writers saw St Lous and East
St Louis. both of these cities were thriving during this period of
time, in fact, St Louis is doing fairly well right now and has a both
a clean modern city look and a dark and forbidding side with many
shadows. and if any city could use a crime fighting super-hero it
would be East St Louis.
New York in the DCU is New York, located where New York would be.
Metropolis is not New York, but it too is in on the Eastern US seaboard.
I've always had the feeling it's a little South of New York, but still in
Gotham is not New York, but is is also on the Eastern seaboard. It's south
of both NY and Met., and probably in New Jersey.
Salem, where John, Marlena and Kristen live, is on a river somewhere in a
midwestern state. (Anyone catch the reference? If not, you spend your
afternoons more productively than me.)
Central City? I dunno.
Coast City? Go to LA. Go north. See that big crater? Good, you're there.
Gateway City (Wonder Woman)? I haven't a clue.
DC should reprint Who's Who and include a map. That would be quite helpful.
Note that in DOOMSDAY!, when they showed a map of the monster's
destruction that the arrow for Metropolis was pointing a bit south of
where NY is in the so-called "real" world.
Wondering where the planet Vulcan is...
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"I'm not [a psycopath]. Psycopaths kill for no reason at all. I kill for money."
John Cusack-Grosse Pointe Blank
I once saw a map that DC put out as a poster....pointing out where all
the cities like Metropolis, Gotham and Coast City were....Gotham was
in New Jersey....now doesn't that explain everything.
On Thu, 15 May 1997 00:39:23 -0500, rkir...@nkn.net (Lex Luthor)