Cage as Hellblazer: never rains but it pours?
Andrew Ness
Liverpool Echo 6 Nov 2001
Nick Cage to play Scouse Super Hero
by PAUL KENNEDY
Chief Reporter
HOLLYWOOD heart-throb Nicolas Cage will play a Liverpool ghostbuster in a
terrifying new thriller.
The movie star has signed up to play Liverpool-born hero John Constantine In
an adaptation of a popular comic book series.
Constantine 'is the harddrinking, tough-talking main character In the DC
comic Hellblazer, fighting the forces of evil.
Hollywood executives are describing the film as Dirty Harry set In the
occult and paranormal world.
The multi-million dollar movie starts production next year and is eing
distributed by Warner Brothers.
One film source said: "Nick had better start working on his Scouse accent.
"Constantine is Liverpool born and bred and is very proud of the
city and his roots."
Its not the first time the 37 year old oscar winning actor has tried to play
a comic book star.
In the past he, has attempted to land -big screen roles as Superman
and-Ghost Rider but they have been pulled at the last minute.
But now he is committed to star as the Scouse supernatural expert.
In the movie, Constantine will team up with a female police officer to
battle paranormal enemies.
The insider added. "Although Constantine will be a Scouser, the movie will
be set in America."
The character has a very dark past. He battled the booze and mental illness
after mistakenly sending a young girl's soul to Hell while
fighting a demon.
He spent years in a high-security asylum for the "dangerously deranged"
after the incident.
The insider revealed: Constantine is certainly not your usual clean-cut hero
and that's what appeals to Nick."
Cage - who will pick up a £15m pay cheque - will start work on the film in
March.
CURRENT Hellblazer author Brian Azzarello has been penning the adventures of
John Constantine for the past two years. The 39-year-old freelance writer,
from Chicago, is the first American to write the Hellblazer series, which
has around 8,000 readers per edition.
The previous authors have all been British, possibly explaining why the main
character is a Scouser.
Brian believes Constantine was invented by Englishman Alan Moore.
He said: "He was originally created as a support character in a book called
Swamp Thing. I guess he had too much nasty charisma and eventuafly became a
book in his own right.
"He is a spiritual grifter, a conman. Part of John's appeal is that England
is very much a part of him. It gives him a certain sexiness to American
readers. He is different. He has a pretty rabid fanbase.
Brian had to, familiarise himself with British slang in order to write
Constantine's lines.
He said "Before I started I rented a ton of British movies. I also have two
British slang books.
I brought John to America he was getting a little bit stale and we wanted to
take him out of his old habitat to freshen things up."
graham
18:00:43 -0000 was:
>Liverpool Echo 6 Nov 2001
>
>Nick Cage to play Scouse Super Hero
>One film source said: "Nick had better start working on his Scouse accent.
>"Constantine is Liverpool born and bred and is very proud of the
>city and his roots."
On the basis of his Italian accent in the abomination that was Captain
Corelli, I assume he'll spend this film saying things like "eh, eh,
cahm dan lads".
>Brian believes Constantine was invented by Englishman Alan Moore.
>He said: "He was originally created as a support character in a book called
>Swamp Thing. I guess he had too much nasty charisma and eventuafly became a
>book in his own right.
Hmm. Bad journalism and bad research in one paragraph. IIRC the
artists kept drawing somebody in the crowd scenes that looked like
Sting, so eventually Alan wrote a part for him.
>"He is a spiritual grifter, a conman. Part of John's appeal is that England
>is very much a part of him. It gives him a certain sexiness to American
>readers. He is different. He has a pretty rabid fanbase.
>Brian had to, familiarise himself with British slang in order to write
>Constantine's lines.
>He said "Before I started I rented a ton of British movies. I also have two
>British slang books.
Oh dear. "Lawks a mercy Lucifer. Cheer up, eh?"
--
graham
"The best, the only revenge, when you're fighting
a cult that fetishises death, is life."
http://www.vendetta.demon.co.uk
Andrew Ness
"graham" <ab...@vendetta.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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> What "Andrew Ness" <ne...@liverpoolfc.net> said on Tue, 6 Nov 2001
> 18:00:43 -0000 was:
> >Liverpool Echo 6 Nov 2001
> >
> >Nick Cage to play Scouse Super Hero
>
> >He said: "He was originally created as a support character in a book
called
> >Swamp Thing. I guess he had too much nasty charisma and eventuafly became
a
> >book in his own right.
>
> Hmm. Bad journalism and bad research in one paragraph. IIRC the
> artists kept drawing somebody in the crowd scenes that looked like
> Sting, so eventually Alan wrote a part for him.
It doesn't strike me as particularly bad journalism, sounds more like
Azzarello doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
>
> >"He is a spiritual grifter, a conman. Part of John's appeal is that
England
> >is very much a part of him. It gives him a certain sexiness to American
> >readers. He is different. He has a pretty rabid fanbase.
> >Brian had to, familiarise himself with British slang in order to write
> >Constantine's lines.
> >He said "Before I started I rented a ton of British movies. I also have
two
> >British slang books.
>
> Oh dear. "Lawks a mercy Lucifer. Cheer up, eh?"
The article was accompanied by a doctored picture of NC reading a copy of
'Learn Yerself Scouse', I just wonder what films Brian has watched, and if
he knows the difference between a scouser and a cockerny.
NSY
Colin
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> I wonder why they don't just get sting to do it?
I was about to say "because he's a terrible actor" and then remembered
they've cast Nic Cage...
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Colin
> Colin <cran...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ed5c4866.01110...@posting.google.com...
> > I wonder why they don't just get sting to do it?
>
> I was about to say "because he's a terrible actor" and then remembered
> they've cast Nic Cage...
>
>
> --
Oh, they're both fine. They're capable of standing there and
delivering their lines. I don't think the role of John Constantine
requires Robert Duvall level acting, and I'd be much more worried that
the director and producers would botch it, as they did with From Hell.
I think it would be funny as hell to have Sting play the role.
Colin
Andrew Ness
>
A Geordie trying to do a scouse accent? Wouldn't be pleasant. Or even
vaguely comprehensible in all probability.
NSY
Andrew Ness
>
A Geordie trying to do a scouse accent? Wouldn't be pleasant. Or even
Steven Schend
Frankly, I think (visually) Kiefer Sutherland could easily fit into the look
and attitude of John, though I'm a bit doubtful of the accent. Still, I
think he'd be a better choice than Cage, who's rarely if ever impressed me
with his alleged acting abilities. Remember that "Oscar-winning" doesnt'
always mean that much--look at Marisa Tomei....
Steven
Who would LOVE to see someone of Dame Maggie Smith's caliber to take on the
role of Mad Hettie.....
Colin
> > Oh, they're both fine. They're capable of standing there and
> > delivering their lines. I don't think the role of John Constantine
> > requires Robert Duvall level acting, and I'd be much more worried that
> > the director and producers would botch it, as they did with From Hell.
> > I think it would be funny as hell to have Sting play the role.
>
> Frankly, I think (visually) Kiefer Sutherland could easily fit into the look
> and attitude of John, though I'm a bit doubtful of the accent. Still, I
> think he'd be a better choice than Cage, who's rarely if ever impressed me
> with his alleged acting abilities. Remember that "Oscar-winning" doesnt'
> always mean that much--look at Marisa Tomei....
Stop it, you're killin' me. Kiefer Sutherland. I guess 'cuz he was so
excellent in that Dark City crapola, or whatever it was called. You're
a funny bastard.
Again, John Constantine is not exactly Hamlet -- unless one gets all
lathered up about the minutiae of British dialect, in which case no
actor will suit (fetishists are never satisfied), Cage'll do just
fine. My kid brother could do just fine, if I had one. Worry about the
producer & director, not the actors.
Who said anything about Oscars?
Colin
Colin
Hi Andrew,
I don't know what that means. I thought Constantine was from Newcastle
because Sting was from Newcastle ... wouldn't they have basically the
same accent? Have I got it wrong?
Colin
Andrew Ness
Yes. Constantine is from Liverpool, where the local accent is 'Scouse'
(think Lennon and McCartney) whereas Sting is from Newcastle, accent Geordie
(think, um, Sting and Jimmy Nail (probably not famous in the states?),
although confusingly Sting generally sings with a Jamaican accent for no
reason whatsoever.)
Geordie and Scouse accents are vastly different, few enough English actors
can master both (in fact, Geordie is one of the hardest local dialects in
the UK)
Sting does a decent Cockney (London) but I've never heard him even attempt a
Scouse accent. Of course, they could relocate JC to Newcastle if they were
going to cast Sting, but if its Nic Cage they are going for, then Scouse is
probably a safer bet.
And if you are making a film about someone from Liverpool, and they don't
have an authentic scouse accent, you'll be laughed out of the cinemas over
here.
NSY
Colin
The idea of Constantine speaking like Lennon kind of blows my mind.
What kind of reputation does this 'Scouse' accent have? Like, in
Amer'can, 'New Yoak' is tough, 'Sothron' is stupid, 'Bahston' is
effete... now that I think of it, people seem to use the same accent
for Brooklyn, Queens, Jersey, and Long Island, all vastly different,
and we don't complain. But we were talking about the Hellblazer movie.
I still think Sting would be funny, dialect or no.
"Andrew Ness" <ne...@liverpoolfc.net> wrote in message news:
Andrew Ness
> Gotcha -- thanks. I was confused, as the actress said to the bishop.
>
> The idea of Constantine speaking like Lennon kind of blows my mind.
> What kind of reputation does this 'Scouse' accent have? Like, in
> Amer'can, 'New Yoak' is tough, 'Sothron' is stupid, 'Bahston' is
> effete... now that I think of it, people seem to use the same accent
> for Brooklyn, Queens, Jersey, and Long Island, all vastly different,
> and we don't complain. But we were talking about the Hellblazer movie.
> I still think Sting would be funny, dialect or no.
Well, since I have one myself, (although not a very strong one, being from
the south of the city) my view might not be what a Londoner, for instance,
would think, but Scousers are usually considered to be 'cheeky' and to have
a healthy, earthy and, to some, incomprehensible sense of humour. The accent
is apparently regarded as one of the 'friendliest' sounding, which is, we
are told, the reason we are becoming the call-centre capital of the country.
It is a solid working class accent, derived from Lancashire, with strong
influences from both Wales and Ireland. There are a surprising variety of
sub-accents within the city, the most often imitated one actually
originating in the Bootle area outside Liverpool. (When at university,
people would ask me where I was from and although I talk much the same as
all my Liverpool based family and friends, a lot of people wouldn't believe
I was from Liverpool.)
The comedian Harry Enfield had a family of scousers called 'The Scousers'
who were more in touch with the derogatory views of the city; jobless
aggressive layabouts who constantly bicker and moan while telling each other
to 'calm down, calm down.' While these sketches were very funny, needless to
say I don't subscribe to that view of the people here myself, having lived
here twenty five years.
There are actually a few books written on the subject, Learn Yerself Scouse
being one of the better selling ones.
Now, how did we get onto this again?
Nessy
Alexander Bardosch
> There are actually a few books written on the subject, Learn Yerself Scouse
> being one of the better selling ones.
>
> Now, how did we get onto this again?
>
> Nessy
I don't mean to stray even further from the original topic, but...
Are those books any good? I'm not a native english speaker, but I'd like
to study and perhaps be able to speak some accents... so could I do
this with one of those books or is that too difficult for a non-native
speaker?
Thanks!
-Alex Bardosch
Colin
> say I don't subscribe to that view of the people here myself, having lived
> here twenty five years.
>
Oh, I don't think it needs to be said -- I don't think Southerners are
stupid, after all, even if the accent supposedly sounds that way.
> Now, how did we get onto this again?
You started it, buster ;) Thanks for the brushing-up. I'm off to
embarrass the guys at the comic store with my now-superior knowledge
of the indricacies of British dialect.
Colin
Andrew Ness
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The Learn Yerself Scouse books are mostly for entertainment purposes. They
might teach you the odd phrase, but a lot of them are out of usage (and I'm
sure the author also made a few up)
The best way to learn would be from a professional voice coach who is from
the area, failing that, I believe there are tapes available. Watching
Liverpool-based tv shows might help, I doubt many get over to America, but
titles to look out for would include Brookside and Boys from the Black
Stuff. Film wise, Pauline Collins and Julie Walters are probably quite easy
to find (Shirley Valentine and Educating Rita should be, at least) then
there's the two guys in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels who aren't
cockneys, or Craig Charles in Red Dwarf.
I don't know if it is possible to learn an accent from a book, but it would
definitely be difficult.
Nessy
Clay Smith
<ne...@liverpoolfc.net> wrote:
>Sting generally sings with a Jamaican accent for no
>reason whatsoever.)
For what it's worth, i saw a documentary which suggested that the
music of The Police was strongly influenced by Reggae (sp?). When they
played a clip from "Roxanne" and compared it to straight Reggae, I
could indeed see the similitarities. However, music is not my field of
expertise.
Clay
Sven Olafsson
as good as "Judge Dredd".
Sven.
Colin
> Well I think you're all being very negative. I'm sure it'll easily be
> as good as "Judge Dredd".
>
> Sven.
That's the spirit.
Colin
Andrew Ness
"Sven Olafsson" <sven_o...@e-mailanywhere.com> wrote in message
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> Well I think you're all being very negative. I'm sure it'll easily be
> as good as "Judge Dredd".
Damning with faint praise?
NSY
James Graham
cran...@hotmail.com (Colin) wrote:
> The idea of Constantine speaking like Lennon kind of blows my mind.
To be precise, Constantine is a Liverpudlian who moved down to London at
the age of 16. His accent is therefore somewhat mixed.
I've seen a friend of mine go from having a thick (albeit posh) Scottish
accent two years ago to an indistinct English accent now. Accents change,
especially if you move away from your home town at a young age.
James
EgoistX
<snip>>For what it's worth, i saw a documentary which suggested that the
>music of The Police was strongly influenced by Reggae (sp?). <snip>
The Police were very heavily influenced by reggae. Listen to Sting's bass
lines. "Every Little Thing She Does Is Magic" is a good example. Another is
"Can't Stand Losing You." Also, Sting has always loved jazz as well.
EgoistX
No. 2: "Why do you care?"
No. 6: "You'll never know."
James Wolf
Andrew Ness wrote:
> Just read the following and thought I'd post it here.
>
> Liverpool Echo 6 Nov 2001
>
> Nick Cage to play Scouse Super Hero
> by PAUL KENNEDY
> Chief Reporter
> HOLLYWOOD heart-throb Nicolas Cage will play a Liverpool ghostbuster in a
> terrifying new thriller.
> The movie star has signed up to play Liverpool-born hero John Constantine In
> an adaptation of a popular comic book series.
> Constantine 'is the harddrinking, tough-talking main character In the DC
> comic Hellblazer, fighting the forces of evil.
> Hollywood executives are describing the film as Dirty Harry set In the
> occult and paranormal world.
> The multi-million dollar movie starts production next year and is eing
> distributed by Warner Brothers.
<snip>
Cage may make a good one, but I'd think Ian MacGregor (sp?) would be better.
Cage is getting a bit long in the tooth.
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Colin
> > Nick Cage to play Scouse Super Hero
...
> Cage may make a good one, but I'd think Ian MacGregor (sp?) would be better.
> Cage is getting a bit long in the tooth.
You must mean Ewen -- isn't Ian MacGregor the ancient queen who played
Magneto? Ah... no, that's not quite right. MacClellan, I think.
Anyway, yah, Ewen MacGregor would be pretty good.
I note with amusement something I missed before -- John Constantine
identified in the article as a "Super Hero".
Colin
kcup
>Accents change, especially if you move away from your home town at a young
age.
Which scousers would be advised to do.
Siwela
London but I don't recall him every saying "why-eye the lads!" either....
kcup
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> On Tue, 01 Jan 2002 20:23:42 GMT, Siwela <n...@na.org> got the urge to
> stand up, be counted and say:
>
> >After reading the books I thought he was from Newcastle but moved to
> >London but I don't recall him every saying "why-eye the lads!" either....
>
> There was a major storyline set in Newcastle but Constantine is a
> scouser. He always seemed to be written more like a cockney to me
> whoever wrote him. I'm sure he uttered the odd 'guv'nor' but never
> 'achrington stanley who're they?' or 'the bizzies have been hassling
> the bin-lids'.
>
>
> Cheers Drive!
>
> Gareth
Andrew Ness
"kcup" <kett...@tesco.net> wrote in message
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> Who says JC is a scouser?
Plenty of folk. I don't know that he was when he first appeared in Swamp
Thing, but he definitely is now. Garth Ennis clearly wrote him as a scouser,
even visiting the family back in the 'pool, and I very much doubt he was the
first.
NSY
Wondering if this is now the longest thread in acam history...
Mohenjo5
David Brewer
>
> "kcup" <kett...@tesco.net> wrote in message
> news:a22701$3i0$1...@helle.btinternet.com...
> > Who says JC is a scouser?
>
> Plenty of folk. I don't know that he was when he first appeared in Swamp
> Thing, but he definitely is now. Garth Ennis clearly wrote him as a scouser,
> even visiting the family back in the 'pool, and I very much doubt he was the
> first.
He also visits his scouser rellies in issue 4, when the Damnation
Army almost kill his niece Gemma.
Personally I'd've cast Sean Bean and changed him to a Sheffielder.
--
David Brewer
"It is foolishness and endless trouble to cast a stone at every
dog that barks at you." - George Silver, gentleman, c.1600
kcup
>
>but he definitely is now. Garth Ennis clearly wrote him as a scouser,
I thought it was odd .. I've never read Hellblazer and I knew that Moore's
JC was a Londoner.
Raises an interesting point about continuity and all that. When Moore
redoes the Joker's origin it's great by me but I hate the idea of someone
revising Moore's characters .. which makes me glad he doesn't do any work
for hire any more.
kcup
Attempting to raise the bar for long acam threads
www.kettlecup.co.uk
David Brewer
>
> On Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:34:00 +0000 (UTC), "kcup" <kett...@tesco.net>
> got the urge to stand up, be counted and say:
>
> >>
> >>I don't know that he was when he first appeared in Swamp Thing,
> >>but he definitely is now. Garth Ennis clearly wrote him as a scouser,
> >
> >I thought it was odd .. I've never read Hellblazer and I knew that Moore's
> >JC was a Londoner.
> >Raises an interesting point about continuity and all that. When Moore
> >redoes the Joker's origin it's great by me but I hate the idea of someone
> >revising Moore's characters .. which makes me glad he doesn't do any work
> >for hire any more.
> >
> had written him, maybe even back to Moore. His dialogue has always
> been written as a Cockney even afterwards and by British writers - I'm
> sure Ennis had him sayig Guv'nor and not la'. Unfortuantely myn comic
> collection is miles away so I can;t check but I have the feeling he
> was almost always a Scouser.
(As I pointed out days ago,) Goes back to Hellblazer issue 4 when
JC goes to see his sister Cheryl in Liverpool. The Damnation Army
have abducted his niece Gemma. There are numerous other references
to JC being a scouser throughout Delano's run, though he lived
briefly in London with his auntie while his dad was in prison.
What did Moore write that makes him definitively a Londoner?
Mohenjo5
from.
And I'm pretty sure this was mentioned in the issues Delano wrote about the
Newcastle incident. Anyone have those issues handy?
A Word To The Mute Guy
>Raises an interesting point about continuity and all that. When Moore
>redoes the Joker's origin it's great by me but I hate the idea of someone
>revising Moore's characters .. which makes me glad he doesn't do any work
>for hire any more.
Yeah, it's a good thing he's not writing four ongoing work-for-hire
books under the America's Best Comics banner.
Oops!
-Chris
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John's always been a Liverpudlian. I always found it hard to imagine him
with a Liverpool accent though. Of course, just because he's from Liverpool
doesn't mean he talks like John Lennon. (In fact, a Liverpool accent is not
typified by Lennon's drawl. Have a listen to the way Craig Charles talks for
instance).
Because he was based on Sting I always imagined him talking like Sting. But
remember, Sting himself is a Geordie and has, like many people in England
with strong regional accents do, changed his speech patterns over the years.
In Sting's case it was deliberate. I have a friend who is from Manchester
who deliberately worked on changing his accent to fit in at school in London
(he's now 43 and his accent bears little resemblance to a Manchester
accent). There's nothing to say that Constantine hasn't done the same thing.
There can be a bit of a stigma attached to strong regional accents in
London, especially if you're young. And, since Constantine ran away to
London at a young age, it would be logical to assume that his accent has
changed - even if it wasn't deliberate (although there'd still be strong
remnants of his Scouser accent).
He'd probably change to more of a Cockney wide-boy type accent over the
years. But it's also possible that he has more than one mode of speaking - A
more Sting-like accent in general, and a more slangy Cockney accent when
he's emotional or he's among a certain sort of company.
Aaaand, I think I've given this subject far too much thought...
In any case - an American accent??!!! Arrrgh! Nicholas Cage? Arrrgh!!! Let's
miss the whole point of the character, people!
Between Heaven and Hell - Lies England.
Luke Hodgson
"Still wanting to know what Pogues album the words 'Rake at the Gates of
Hell' comes from".
Andrew Ness
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>
> "Mohenjo5" <mohe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> > I thought JC was supposed to be from Newcastle, the same place that
Sting
> hails
> > from.
> >
> > And I'm pretty sure this was mentioned in the issues Delano wrote about
> the
> > Newcastle incident. Anyone have those issues handy?
>
> John's always been a Liverpudlian. I always found it hard to imagine him
> with a Liverpool accent though. Of course, just because he's from
Liverpool
> doesn't mean he talks like John Lennon. (In fact, a Liverpool accent is
not
> typified by Lennon's drawl. Have a listen to the way Craig Charles talks
for
> instance).
There are probably about six distinct Liverpool accent, Lennon is pure South
Liverpool (which is actually in decline, being replaced by the 'milk!
eurgh!' type. Craig Charles is from West Derby, in the far north of the
city. Yes, his accent is probably more typical, but I doubt if our colonial
cousins would be familiar with his work.
A lot of people think of the Bootle accent as a Liverpool accent, but most
people from Liverpool don't talk like that, or didn't until recently.
NSY
kcup
Well I'm fucked if I'm gonna read Swamp Thing again for this (though I
should reread it anyway since it IS good enough but I don't have time).
Moore's said a few things about JC that tag him as a cockney .. not
necessarily in Swamp Thing. The most recent is in Snakes & Ladders where
he's referred to as a "sharp South London wide boy occultist".
Spose he could have meant him as someone originally from Liverpool that
moved to South London and became a South London wide boy occultist. I
reserve my final say until I have read Moore's ST run again in full.
KC
kcup
> books under the America's Best Comics banner.
>
> Oops!
I'm not saying that you're wrong (would I?) but for me work for hire means
you don't
retain ownership of the work .. which Alan does on ABC. Perhaps you prefer
Dave Sim's definition; anything that isn't self published. That's your
chocice! I'd be interested to know what definition you do use. I was
referring specifically to the fact that nobody's likely to end up doing
unauthorised re-writes of his characters.
KC
Infamute!
>> Yeah, it's a good thing he's not writing four ongoing work-for-hire
>> books under the America's Best Comics banner.
>>
>> Oops!
>I'm not saying that you're wrong (would I?) but for me work for hire means
>you don't
>retain ownership of the work .. which Alan does on ABC.
No, he doesn't. LOEG being the exception that proves, since it was
originally meant to come out on Homage. The four ABC titles proper are
straight-ahead WFH.
-Chris
__________________________
I didn't get where I am today.
Andrew Ness
>
> I suppose he must have meant that. The Garth Ennis annual shows JC
> doing a bunk from Liverpool when he's a teenager, then the rest of the
> comic is usually spent in London. So considering JC is in his forties
> then he's spent more time living in London than in Liverpool.
>
> A similar story to Ann Robinson (who the Yanks here will have heard
> of) who's a scouser who moved to London to be a journalist and
> doesn't sound Liverpudlian anymore.
Yes she does. I know loads of people with accents like that. Not with the
evil milk-spoiling stare, of course, but the accent.
(Ignorant southerners...)
NSY
john.sinclair1
"Garjones" <garj...@spamlessntlworld.com> wrote in message
> >> A similar story to Ann Robinson (who the Yanks here will have heard
> >> of) who's a scouser who moved to London to be a journalist and
> >> doesn't sound Liverpudlian anymore.
> >
> >Yes she does. I know loads of people with accents like that. Not with the
> >evil milk-spoiling stare, of course, but the accent.
> >(Ignorant southerners...)
> >
> She doesn't pronounce muck or duck like any Scouser I've known (and I
> lived in Liverpool for a few months which of course makes me the
> world's expert on these things) she says it in true 'ignorant
> Southerner' style. If you mean she sound like posh Scousers from the
> Wirral that pretend to be from the South East then you have a point
> :o)
>
> I know a guy born and brought up in Swansea and went to my school that
> for some bizarre reason always sounded like a posh version of Edward
> Fox. Had the piss taken out of him for years, then again he probably
> claimed a made-up 'old school tie' since and is now on the board of
> Coutts or something!
If you want a prime example, look to Michael Heseltine, a superb (if slimy
bastard) example of the upper class Welshman with a cut glass accent.
Also, the Colonel I work with, lives and was born not far from Abergavenny,
and she has a 'proper' aristocratic English accent. it appears that there
are pockets of this kind of accent all over Wales, so it's probably the same
in England.
In fact, if you speak to landed Irish gentry, (which I do as part of my
work), most of them have what we think of as upper class English accents.
By the way, Garjones, where are you writing from? As you've probably worked
out, I'm from Cardiff.
On your bike, son!
John
kevin l
England.
"Mohenjo5" <mohe...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> What's a scouser?
kcup
> No, he doesn't. LOEG being the exception that proves, since it was
> originally meant to come out on Homage. The four ABC titles proper are
> straight-ahead WFH.
Oh. Mm. Ah. Either I forgot or I never knew that. Does that mean DC
could turf Moore off Promethea tomorrow and keep running the book? Or is
Firewall actually effective in any way?
Lee.
kcup
Mute knows everything he just doesn't tell us all of it!
Infamute!
>> Who knows apart from those privy to the contracts.
>Mute knows everything he just doesn't tell us all of it!
I *said* it's work for hire, you guys just keep questioning it!
Moore, Williams, Sprouse, Ha, Veitch, Nowlan &al. don't own any piece
of the characters, but they get a healthy page rate and a chunk of
royalties on the merch of the characters they create. That much isn't
a secret...
Firewall has been proved entirely ineffective twice, with the pulped
LOEG #6 (or 5, I don't remember) and the killed Cobweb story, which
Tomorrow Stories' schedule still hasn't recovered from.