steve caito responds
steve caito
of comedy, please stay away of the LAS VEGAS COMEDY FESTIVAL. it is
exactly why Mark Allen and myself have launched this one of a kind
event, to bring to the city of LAS VEGAS a fresh crop of talented,
ambitious, talented, funny, hard working, new faces, and some old
faces. I started comedy in providence r.i. and moved in 1990 to boston
with my comedy partner, Tommy Morin. Caito and Morin hit the comedy
scene fast and became headliners long before we knew anything about
the rules of comedy. I personally was a closeted homosexual man who
lied to myself about who i truly was. To say we pissed off real
headline comics like steve sweeney, and many others would be an
understatement. We thought we knew the buisness, we made huge
mistakes. But despite all our mistakes, we kept trying to learn and
become better comics. I think the most noble profession in the world
is a standup,standup comedian. People where right to attack us for our
brashness and i continue to be attacked for those mistakes we made. I
am first a human being, and that allows me the right to be human and
make mistakes. When Caito and Morin broke up in 1992, i moved to las
vegas to reinvent myself. I came out of the closet and met my 8 year
partner, joe. We have 4 great kids, and i can honestly say to any
young person that when you are really honest with yourself, you can be
honest as a comedian, or anthing else you want to be. I did other
peoples jokes, they were and still are my friends who gave me the
worst advice i have ever recieved. Since when i started performing in
las vegas i have never done another comics joke, my act like me is too
bizaare and unique to my newfound lifestyle. I performed for two years
at the casino royale in my own show "which way to the rat pack". That
show and anyone who saw it was original in every way except that we
never recreated with impersonators frank sammy joey or dean. Instead
we did our show in the style of an oldtime vegas show where comics
performing in town would stop in and jump onstage in an impropmtu show
with a live band and comedians and magicians like the late great
CHAPPY BRAZIL. I only used great comedians, great singers and great
musicians. The bitter comics of the world called me a thief and
because of my past mistakes it was hard to defend my past. But i began
to attract comics who knew that steve caito was a new very honest
person. They said i took all the money, even though the show cost me
more then i ever made. Some weeks i paid my savings to comics, and my
band. I know that when an audience gets dressed up, pays a babysitter,
and comes to my show they deserve a great show. Nightly we did that to
sro audiences. I would receive thousands of tapes from wannabe vegas
comics every month. It was then the idea of a LAS VEGAS COMEDY
FESTIVAL became my obsession. Both mark allen and myself went to
people like the mgm grand and they told us that a comedy convention in
las vegas would only attract comics who dont traditionally gamble.
They were not interested in backing a festival or trade show with
comedians. Unfazed we hired mary thomas from the las vegas motor
speedway, and mary started contacting potential sponsors, mary sold 8
million in sponsorship to the las vegas motor speedway. Because of the
magnitude of this event we had to borrow on our houses, and ask
friends and family to believe in our project. THEY DID... But the
powers to be in Las Vegas where still not convinced this event could
really be a success. We have surrounded ourselves with the best minds
in the buisness of comedy. Shelley Berman, Jay Mohr, Rodney
Dangerfield, and our board of advisors reads like a who's who in the
comedy world. Everyone has come foorward to assist us and we are
spending almost $800,OOO DOLLARS to make this event a reality. The
cost of $295 dollars is short by 300 dollars what we will be giving in
return. The first STEVE ALLEN PIONEER IN COMEDY AWARD will be given at
the finals show dinner. 150 dollar ticket for all attendees, seminars
taught by the best in the world, priced at 75 dollars each, every
attendee will get to sit in 4 seminars, after parties where comics can
perform for industry, 5 stages to perform for industry and comedy club
ownners. It cost us more than we could ever make. But if even one
comic can sign a development deal, or even get booked in a gig, then
we have accomplished our goal. All comedy club ownners will recieve a
free 10 by 10 booth in our 42,ooo square foot convention center at the
STARDUST RESORT AND CASINO. The mainstage will be at the WAYNE NEWTON
THEATER and THE WORLD FAMOUS FREEMONT STREET EXPERIENCE. We are flying
in free of charge all 80 winners of THE LAUGH ACROSS AMERICA CONTEST,
all accomadations free, meals daily free, and all seminars, workshops
free. I will tell the comedy community that we are finding great
talent that have never had an opportunity to go to any other comedy
festival. If a bitter comic thinks this is a scam then please dont
come here, there are thousands of talented ,hardworking, and original
comics im seeing nationally that will be there. This i pray will
become what we envision it to be, a comedy convention and a comedy
festival. I welcome anyone who like myself has worked hard to become a
better comedian and a better person.
Laphboy
>Everyone has come foorward to assist us and we are
>spending almost $800,OOO DOLLARS to make this event a reality.
(snip)
>But if even one
>comic can sign a development deal, or even get booked in a gig, then
>we have accomplished our goal.
Hell, you could have given me $400,000 DOLLARS, and I would've started at
least 3 comedy rooms and booked hundreds of comics for a sustained period of
time - but, if you feel you're getting a good return for your investment on
this deal, more power to you...
Since you're here and taking the time to respond, Steve, and thanks for that
- who are the powerful folks that everyone will be seen by at the finals?
Not insinuating, just asking.
Another Steve,
steve gelder
http://www.stevegelder.com
Questions about comedy? Check the FAQ first!
http://members.aol.com/comedyfaq/faq.html
Marshman
I look forward to meeting you in Atlanta.
Marshall Chiles
Charles Little
"Marshman" <mars...@averick.com> wrote in message
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> Yea Steve, put these bitter fuck chops in their place.
>
> I look forward to meeting you in Atlanta.
>
> Marshall Chiles
Wow, that's pretty strong language.
lovedavelittle
Laphboy
A couple of questions and some requested info about the people putting on
the competition, and everyone's a bitter fuck chop...?
Is that anything like crunchy pork chop...?
So far, no one's bothered to answer the most basic of questions asked, "Who
are the big time producers, etc. that everyone is paying to be seen by?" since
they are the big selling point.
If I post, "Hey, comics, buy my used car, and I'll put you in touch with the
right people," would you buy it, or would you like to know who I consider the
"right people" to be first...?
But please, continue the name calling rather than answering questions - it
encourages participation, it really does...
Tommy James
>encourages participation, it really does...
>
OoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoOoO
OK, you poo-poo head.
Tommy James
http://www.tommyjamescomedy.com
Grant
>If I post, "Hey, comics, buy my used car, and I'll put you in touch with the
>right people," would you buy it, or would you like to know who I consider the
>"right people" to be first...?
hey you I had a car in 1990 and i pissed off other car owners but now i dont
want to piss off other car owners and i love my car and you have to love your
car to be yourself and people who dont love cars are fuckchops and i have put
12 cents into the car industry if it give 2 milligrams of gas to a car driver
then it will all be worth it i look forward to meeting other car owners with my
lover and business partner and goofy and pluto and youse are all stinky poops
blah blah blah blah effin blah i am doing you a favour by driving your blah
blah car and i love rice so you better too
me
Johnroy374
sing-so...@webtv.net
He should break-up his posts into at least one
or two or three paragraphs AT LEAST!!....Yeah....maybe, spend some of
that cash, on a freaking proofreader, as well.
And my favorite line in his post, which was *TRULY* hilariously
priceless:
"...magicians like the late great Chappy Brazil".
You just can't go wrong in a post/promotion--when dropping the name of
a "magician...like the late great Chappy Brazil".
I think that line alone, surely, propelled oodles of comics (from all
over this great 'U-Knighted States') to joyously hop in stupefied unison
right into Tommy Boy Joe's stank-ass cab to frantically head to Atlanta
with $295.00 dollars in their tattered old brown overcoats (Or is it
"head to Vegas" in their tattered overcoats?) Ahhhh, hell, wherever the
freak this "event" is.
But, seriously, I agree totally with Louie C.K.
on this. I am more familiar with the music scene than the comedy scene
(at this point at least) but anyways, knowing what I know about music
scams, it seems the same applies HERE: If you have to pay any
substantial amount of cash--just to be bloody considered or
auditioned/showcased for anything:
IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS A SCAM!!
Now, I said "ALMOST ALWAYS", so there are, perhaps, exceptions and,
perhaps, this is one of them.
But, I side with the opinion of
Louie C.K., who really doesn't have much to gain by posting here, other
than helping out new comics, it seems. I think it's pretty cool that he
takes the time.
But I don't really know him (L.C.K.) at all, and he might be a bloody
rude ass jerk in real life
for all I know. But oh well. (--Hee Hee--)
But it seems like he is sincerely just helping with straightforward
comments in the few posts that I have read by him.
And Louie *definitely* sounds sincere, when it comes to this festival
"thang".
Keep in mind, all of this, is just my opinion at this particular exact
point in time. It could always change. And again, it is JUST MY OPINION
and not based on any specific knowledge of Steve C. or his particular
event/events.
Again, he (Steve C.) may/could be that very rare exception--in the world
of
"paid by performer" showcases.
Sincerely,
David
sing-so...@webtv.net
Curt
(mamu, how could you compare me to this poster?
I'm hurt.)
[snip]
>But, seriously, I agree totally with Louie C.K.
Louie?
--
Curt, 'nother nonfunny noncom
http://www.curtjames.com/
(See? None of _these_ things above!)
sing-so...@webtv.net
"Curtie//Curt" what exact problem did you have with my last post and/or
any of my posts so far--here!?
Besides your obvious jealousy. Idiot.
And again, what the bloody hell is a "Mamu"!?
And I meant what I said about "Louie//Louis".
And besides this "Steve C."
issue, I have, ALSO, said many of the same types of things that he says
about "Usenet" (under another handle I have used much more often on
Usenet--which I may reveal at some point). But anyway, his (C.K.'s)
attitude about "Usenet" is exactly dead-on-accurate
--in my book of virtual books--.
He doesn't take any of this internet idiocy too seriously--at all!!
Which is refreshing to see on a bloody geek Usenet newsgroup.
Although, I don't, personally,
like Tommy Boy Joe, Dana, Baldwiny, Ollie, Rush, Henry, and a few others
after my brief dealings with them and/or after reading several of their
posts--here.
But they can post whatever boring and/or
totally rude unprovoked attacks and
thoroughly unfunny crap they like
'til they are bloody ass blue in the face.
That is L.C.K.'s point. And, I honestly didn't even know he was one of
the writers on Conan and I had not a clue he posted here either, until
awhile after I posted here for the first time (which was fairly
recently).
So, I just really agree with much of what he (C.K.) has to say--HERE.
And I am not-at-all "kissing-up" to "celebrity". Anyone who
knows me--knows I could not give a shit for "status or celebrity". I
would make fun of Bill Clinton to his face. Even though I respect him
and voted for him. I'd--STILL--probably say something about Monica to
him.
That's just how I am.
And as far as "L.C.K." goes, I am sure I saw him on Conan before, but I
had to *literally* search his name out on Google just to remember him
and see what he bloody looked like. His appearances on Conan, that I may
have caught, obviously,
didn't stick with me or impress me.
But now knowing he was a writer for the show,
I *AM* impressed with that.
But again, my comments here, are just based on what I have read from him
here--ONLY!!
He makes much cool common sense--WHICH IS--A RARITY ON THE INTERNET AND
THESE PRETENTIOUS GOOBER
USENET NEWSGROUPS!!!!
LISTEN:
My experiences ON "USENET"
and reactions TO "USENET" are almost identical to C.K's (minus the fact
that I am not a fairly-well-known celebrity/comedian). And he says some
things that I have said--in one way or another--for years and years on
Usenet. These internet geeks take these newsgroups too fucking
seriously. Period.
Buh-Bye for Now,
David
sing-so...@webtv.net
Danny Bevins
danny
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Curt
Danny Bevins
comedy field. Get out now! You don't have a clue what you're getting into.
At the very best you may become a local MC for a open mic/karaoke night.
You will think how can this asshole know this much about from just a couple
of posts? Well first calling yourself marshman, and second calling out
people you don't know. You make McGrew look like a fucking genius! Now go
fuck yourself with a soft banana, you sucker of stock cock.
danny
"Marshman" <mars...@averick.com> wrote in message
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mamu
Curt wrote:
> sing-so...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> (mamu, how could you compare me to this poster?
> I'm hurt.)
no no no baby, this jackass is... well he's a jackass. And we were
saying, you know, at _least_ you didn't write like he does. Not only
is it painful to read is posts, but it's a waste of my time that would
be better spent picking my nose or maybe, wiping my ass better.
pfft.
still love you though, yes I do.
mams
--
"don't hate me because I'm beautiful."
Marshman
festival to be a scam. And your response was not the one I was
referring to being bitter... because I have worked with you in the
past and bitter is not a word I would use to describe you.
From what I know so far, the big names involved in the Las Vegas
Comedy festival are Jay Mohr, Rodney Dangerfield, and some of the
major comedy bookers in Vegas.
As soon as I know of others, I will post them in here.
I still stand behind the idea that is good for a comic to pay a
nominal investment to be in comedy festivals. Is this not normal?
Thanks,
Marshall Chiles
Danny Bevins
really see some return.
danny
"Marshman" <mars...@averick.com> wrote in message
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Misty Walker
investment to be in comedy festivals. Is this not normal?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Marshall Chiles
The only thing that I've heard of that comics pay that much to perform is at
Dry Heat Classic that Mike Finney and (I think it's Mark Cordes?) puts on every
August in Phoenix, Arizona. And that's not even really a "comedy festival".
It's a charity fundraiser golf thing to help raise money for kids that a lot of
comics and club owners attend and you have to pay $300.00 (or 'something around
there I think) to attend. And then they have a big comedy show on the last
night.
We got a thing in the mail at the club about the laugh across america contest
to see if the Evansville Funny Bone wanted be included in it. I thought the
$295.00 fee was for the CLUBS that were holding the contests, not for the
comedians. That seems like a pretty large fee for comedians to pay, to me. I
always thought that was what sponsors were for. I wouldn't consider a $295.00
fee to be "nominal". As someone else said, 20 bucks is "nominal".
Misty Walker
Evansville Funny Bone
Marshman
up was through Heffron Talent. Just a little company out of north
cacolika. Maybe you've heard of them?!?!?!
And can someone please answer MY question: Has anyone ever attended a
comedy festival and paid to attend? Not paid? How much? Etc... And
what came of it?
And to say that many/most people in this newsgroup/industry is
bitter... well, that's an understatement.
I just fucking hate bitter people!!!!!!!!!
Dave Little
300 dollars is nominal? Did you used to be a mechanic?
lovedavelittle
Johnroy3742
Dave Little
Yeah, Louis CK already answered you, but you must have been
in the kitchen cooking those fuck chops .
lovedavelittle
sing-so...@webtv.net
"Dan"!?
(--Hee Hee--)
Seriously, I am quite straight, dude man.
Despite my post on "Dick"....Gautier.
But hey, I *DO* like REDHEADS!!
But only the *FEMALE* variety, Dan-Dan, my Way-Whack-Dude-Man. And
preferably, of the HUMAN--variety, although I might settle for an Irish
Setter BEE-ITCH!! Woof!! Woof!!
Top O' the morning to you,
my Frisky Irish Lass!!
YEP: I like 'dem' 'dair' redheads, Dan-Dan!!
Like my often-mentioned full-lipped pale-faced
red-haired ex-fiancee.
But, you know, if I were gay or bi....
(liking those "milky-white-pale
redheads--with full lips" like I surely do),
I'd be more apt to go for
'Carrot Top' over 'L.C.K.', really
...Because Carrot's got those fat pillowed D-S-Lips and all....But I
doubt sincerely he is as good in bed as my ex-fiancee was.
Although, come to think of it, he *WOULD* have a lot of novel sex-props
he
could use on me.
But, really, I am just not sure what a jar of Tang, a giant slice of
cheese, and 3 paper cups silly-stringed to a "hilariously"
oversized/jumbo pair of sunglasses
would feel like shoved-up
my Crohn's-diseased
Mary-Ann-Mo-bleed
Bleeding-Bloody ASS!!
YEAH!! BABY!!
YES!! Call me your pretty little teacup southern belle boy with the
bloody bleeding ass,
My Curly Carrot Man!!
But yeah, Danny, ummmm, seriously, yeah,
Scotty 'Carrot Top' Thompson would be
my first choice of redheaded comedians if I suddenly became
bi-guy-redhead-curious.
And speaking of 'bi-guy'....
Well, Danny-> Bye-Guy!!
--For now--, that is--Until you kindly insult me again in your
treacherously wicked fashions.
Later,
David
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>I was in the 2000 and 2001 Chicago Comedy Festivals and I paid not one cent.
Simple solution: If you're too broke to enter, don't.
--
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"Once men turned their thinking over to machines
in the hope that this would set them free. But
that only permitted other men with machines to
enslave them." - DUNE
w w w . d f w m e t r o . o r g / d a n a
[To reply via email, please remove my pants.]
Laphboy
>From what I know so far, the big names involved in the Las Vegas
>Comedy festival are Jay Mohr, Rodney Dangerfield, and some of the
>major comedy bookers in Vegas.
Okay, Marshall, but "involved" and actually being there are two different
things. I worked Dangerfield's in NYC a few times - Rodney never showed. But
his name was on it.
>I still stand behind the idea that is good for a comic to pay a
>nominal investment to be in comedy festivals. Is this not normal?
Nope. The norm is that the comics work the festivals for the chance to be
seen in those comedy-centric venues in front of actual movers and shakers in
the industry, although as Louis pointed out, some festivals do pay the comics
to appear and perform.
But, if there is 800 grand going into this festival as Mr. Caito announced,
why would you expect comics (who sometimes clear less than 200 a week working -
sad, but true) to pay $295 to attend or participate?
From a business standpoint, it may make sense to you, but from the
perspective of comics who pay their dues nightly, weekly, monthly, barely
making ends meet to take that one in one million chance that they'll make it as
big as a Tim Allen or Roseanne, I think most of them have paid their cover.
It's like charging a comic to hang out at his local club. From a business
standpoint, it might make sense, but in real life, it should never be.
Make sense...?
Johnroy3742
Simple solution: If you're too broke to enter, don't.
>
Solution to what? What are you talking about?
sing-so...@webtv.net
There was NO EXCUSE for
any literal threats aimed at anyone here:
Those threats towards, Morticia, for instance,
were WAY-OVER-THE-LINE, and I
did not see one smidgeon of humor in it.
It sounded like an out-an-out threat to me.
He (Tommy) said
"forget the comedy blah blah blah".
And pointed out that he was truly serious.
Now, how else can someone take that--but seriously!? Especially, when it
is in typed form.
He did, later, say that he was just joking.
Which I will give him the benefit of the doubt on.
But the initial post was way-over-the-line and he *needs* *to* *know*,
that he went way over the line--on that one. Regardless, of what he was
thinking in his brain--when he typed it out.
If he doesn't *realize* *that* already.
Just a bit more of my opinions and sincere recollections--of--what I
have read--here--so far.
Sincerely,
David
sing-so...@webtv.net
clear, in regards to the
'Morticia' deal--I meant 'Tommy Boy Joe' *NOT*
'Tommy JAMES'.
By the way, Tommy JAMES, what did you think of Tiffany's cover of 'I
Think We're Alone Now'!?
I think she's sweet and all, but I was disappointed with how she ruined
her whole *wholesome* image with such an immoral song of teen angst
decadence....
So, hey, now, do you think she's a *REDHEAD* where it *COUNTS*, Tommy
James!?
YEAH!!
Later,
David
JakiSue
Curt
Jenee
>comedy festival and paid to attend? Not paid? How much? Etc... And
>what came of it?
I was working in Colorado and attended the USCAF in Aspen the week before. The
festival itself cost me nothing.
sing-so...@webtv.net
going to do is post an inane <snip>
every time I post something....save yourself the trouble, and the wasted
Usenet space,
and we'll both just pretend you did it.
Or maybe you could do, like,
maybe, 3 or 4 of 'these-here'->....-> <snips>
in one post, just to cut down a bit on your useless meaningless clicking
of "send" with nothing at all but your sig on your blank e-mail/post.
God, you are lame as bloody ass crap.
That kind of *NOTHING* post is MUCH worse than some of these other
posters that I don't like or dig much.
Because at least they are putting SOME thought into their post before
they click "send" (even if their *thoughts* are way-f**ked-up).
Your blank posts, however,
are a total utterly mindless undeniably
braindead waste of space. Period.
David
Curtin
> I still stand behind the idea that is good for a comic to pay a
> nominal investment to be in comedy festivals. Is this not normal?
No, it is not.
> Thanks,
You're welcome.
> Marshall Chiles
Curtin
Marshman
> Marshman? Dude listen there isn't anything that's going to help you in the
> comedy field. Get out now! You don't have a clue what you're getting into.
> At the very best you may become a local MC for a open mic/karaoke night.
> You will think how can this asshole know this much about from just a couple
> of posts? Well first calling yourself marshman, and second calling out
> people you don't know. You make McGrew look like a fucking genius! Now go
> fuck yourself with a soft banana, you sucker of stock cock.
>
> danny
Danny, this is the type of bitterness I was referring to.
Who did I call out? And what year is this... calling out? 1884?
I only defended this festival because, from what I have learned, it is
NOT a scam. And the only reason it is being called a scam is because
they charge most of the comics to attend. Which, I still dont think
is that odd. I would gladly pay $$ to attend the Aspen, Montreal,
etc, Festival, at this point in my comedy career. People like Louis
CK would not have to, but people with no TV credits, etc, would have
to.
Q: Have YOU ever been in a festival? Did you pay?
Again, not calling anoyone out, just asking questions. Please correct
me if I am wrong, but isnt this NG for learning more about the comedy
world and business? So, if someone asks a legit question, they are
scum?
Well, enough said here. Please explain how I "called someone out" and
how I suck for asking questions and defending somethign I think is
legit.
MARK KNOPE
HOW MANY times does someone have to answer this question for you...before it
sinks in???
Sheesh.
Stuart O. Bronstein
JakiSue wrote:
>
> I believe fuckchop is one word.
In the OED it's hyphenated.
Stu
Marshman
Thanks for the input about the festivals not suppose to be charging
comics. I now see that it is not the norm. I was misunderstood.
I myself think $295 is nominal, but then again, I also thought it was
normal.
So again, thanks for the input and being level headed (not bitter) in
your response.
Marshall
Curt
>Curtie
This is what my baby brother always called me,
so don't think that I find it offensive at all. :-)
>Your blank posts, however,
>are a total utterly mindless undeniably
>braindead waste of space. Period.
Hm. We really have a lot in common.
--
Curt, 'nother nonfunny noncom
KlownHuntr
Wired For Laughs Uno: I paid nothing.
Chicago Comedy Festival 2002: I paid nothing.
~KB
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And those 3 hotels are *still* looking for you.
sing-so...@webtv.net
is the fact that we
*BOTH* *KNOW* *FULL-WELL*
that most of your posts are
stank-ass-stupid. (--Hee Hee--)
But hey, you have that "Mammie-Mamu-MooMoo" on your side.
And (judging from her 'TELL-TAIL' post in this very thread) she seems to
be a fairly
good ASS-WIPE!!
(Her ex-husband called her an ASS-*WIFE*!!)
And, HEY NOW!!, Curtie,
she is EVEN
a handy nose-picker
to bloody booger--BOOT, BABY!!
YEAH!!
(She sounds like the best of catches, Curtie!!).
So, I guess you're doing okay, Curtie....
You and Mamu-Mammie-MooMoo.
And, WOW!!, CURTIE!!, quite-miraculously,
your post actually had a few lines of text
this time!! Hey, that's better than a--blank--in
my virtual book of virtual books.
--YEAH!!--YES!!--
Later,
David
John Rabon
mars...@averick.com wrote on 6/17/02 9:51 AM:
Hey, can you let one ACS person in free so they can see what type of
"comedians" would actually pay $300 just to say they played Vegas?
And man, you do what you want...If Caito makes a killing, congrats on taking
advantage of Vegas tourists and the clueless. But what did you expect
professional comedians who do this for a LIVING to think? They're building a
"show" of young open mikers and comic wannabe's and pretending it's a real
festival.
What'd you think comics would say? "Hey man, thanks for giving these young
guys an opportunity to play Vegas...and at under $500, too...wow...do they
get 10 or 15 minutes?"
This festival is the equivalent of a drunk pretending to be homeless so he
can panhandle with a "hungry-please help" sign at a busy intersection...then
when he's done he goes to the store, picks up some beer and goes home in his
SUV.
Yeah, that guy disgusts me, but so do the schmucks who give him money.
So if the "festival" makes money, the people who get ripped off deserve
it... Because they're ignorant. But you don't get real comedians' respect.
Sorry.
Not bitter, just honest, and not going to Vegas,
Rabon
John Curtin
at johnrabonRE...@johnrabon.com wrote on 6/17/02 7:35 PM:
> This festival is the equivalent of a drunk pretending to be homeless so he
> can panhandle with a "hungry-please help" sign at a busy intersection...then
> when he's done he goes to the store, picks up some beer and goes home in his
> SUV.
> Yeah, that guy disgusts me, but so do the schmucks who give him money.
Hey it's not like I force them to. Welcome back, JR.
--
Curtin
"Let's hear it for comedy!"
http://www.johncurtin.net
Linda H.
"Misty Walker" <funnyb...@aol.com> wrote
> The only thing that I've heard of that comics pay that much to perform is
at
<snip>
There's the rub, I'm thinking. That some people are seeing festivals as
"comics paying to perform." I too, would hate that suggestion; that I was
"paying to perform." Festivals, as such, are not like that. I'm not saying
this one is or isn't different because I don't know enough about it. But if
I were asked to pay to perform a standup set within a scheduled/produced
show -- as blatant as that -- then, no.
Would I pay for my own production, its promotion, inclusion in all
advertising matter, publicist, seminars etc. to be part of a festival? Yes.
Have done.
xx me
Linda H.
"Johnroy3742" <johnr...@aol.com> wrote
> I was in the 2000 and 2001 Chicago Comedy Festivals and I paid not one
cent.
I would like to ask, Johnroy, in what capacity? What did you do in the
Chicago Comfests?
Thanks,
xx me
Linda H.
"KlownHuntr" <klown...@aol.comstain> wrote
> Chicago Comedy Festival 1998, I paid nothing.
>
> Wired For Laughs Uno: I paid nothing.
>
> Chicago Comedy Festival 2002: I paid nothing.
Kevie, Darl, for a start Wired For Laughs is not a festival. And if you
flew to L.A. who paid for the flight and accom?
I don't get this whole "pay or not pay to attend." No, I've not "paid to
attend" festivals either because that's not what a festival is. Maybe
people are calling comedy get-togethers 'festivals' when they're not.
??
xx me
Curt
and I edited:
>Yeah, Curtie
>But hey, you have Mamu on your side.
Actually, she's looking for my keyboard or
at least one of its keys. And not in an
"on your side" way. Pay attention.
>And, HEY NOW!!, Curtie,
>Curtie!!
>Curtie....
>And, WOW!!, CURTIE!!
>Later,
>David
David, exactly how old are you?
Look at yourself. Think. Reflect.
--
Curt, 'nother nonfunny noncom
(You may now remove your head from
your ass and move freely about the cabin.)
Jenee
and the first email I received from them was AFTER the open calls. I was amused
that the email asked us to let them know why we didn't attend. I responded by
saying that a good way to get people to attend an event is to let them know
about it BEFOREHAND.
What I gathered from Steve Caito's post, you're not paying to perform. The
"nominal fee" (ha!) of $295 covers seminars and shows where there will be
performance opportunities. He said that price was $300 less than what it will
cost, a figure I don't know how he reached without knowing the number of
attendees. But the travel and housing expenses for the regional winners will be
covered. Fair enough.
But what kind of talent will it consist of? The auditions I've heard about are
open calls where the comics do three minutes. I don't know many seasoned comics
who will wait in line for hours to audition for something like that (especially
knowing that three minute spots tend to be most conducive to goofy, bouncy
comics). I would bet the only reason industry would attend is so they could
write off a trip to Vegas.
Jenee
>Who did I call out? And what year is this... calling out? 1884?
Clearly Mr. Marshman is unaware that calling people out has had quite a
resurgence in recent years. It's due in part to Garth Brooks' hit song, "The
Night I Called The Old Man Out," a coming of age tale about a young man who
tests the boundaries of his relationship with his loving yet stern father.
The LA Times recently reported that injuries resulting from being called out
has gone up 80% since 1996. The rate has risen 95% in West Hollywood where loud
techno music often confuses the terms "calling out" with "coming out." Calling
people out has rapidly become the number two headache of bar owners (number one
being non-smokers who bitch too much).
The LAPD offered the following advice for dealing with being called out:
1. Stay calm- don't panic.
2. Look around the room for any famous rappers. They're always packing heat and
this could be of assistance to you.
3. If you don't see any rappers, tell your agressor that you have to close your
tab and you'll meet him outside. When he leaves, call 911 immediately. Tell the
dispatcher that it's an emergency and that you've just been called out. It's
important that you stay on the line while the dispatcher calls for backup. If
you're in LA county, please be patient for officers to arrive as they may have
an emergency jaywalking situation to handle first.
sing-so...@webtv.net
bloody ass hell"!!
And, furthermore, your totally inaccurate
and purposely severe and inane
"editing" is quite jealously designed to desperately, weakly *attempt*
*to*
make my posts look almost as boring
as what little you can come up with on your own--in your own posts.
Your sig of being a "nonfunny noncom" is dead-on accurate. But you might
want to add "anal" and "noticeably jealous of others who can actually
write something
memorable and funny"
to that way-lame signature line of yours, Curtie. Sheesh.
Dude, just go back to your idiotic one word responses of-> <snip>
<-instead. You are incapable of writing something on your own, it surely
seems. All you basically do, again,
is severely, inaccurately edit my posts to attempt to make *ME* look as
lifelessly lame as *YOU* *TRULY* *ARE*. Sorry Charlie.
It doesn't work like that. Get real.
Buh-Bye For Now,
David
Curtin
> I don't get this whole "pay or not pay to attend." No, I've not "paid to
> attend" festivals either because that's not what a festival is. Maybe
> people are calling comedy get-togethers 'festivals' when they're not.
I think that's the beef most of us have here. They're calling it a
festival, but you basically have to pay to get on stage, so it's more
like a trade show (which I know other people have already said).
Curtin
Tommy Joe
Ollie, Rush, Henry, and a few others, after my brief dealings with
them and/or after reading several of their posts--here.
they can post whatever boring and/or
totally rude unprovoked attacks and
thoroughly unfunny crap they like
'til they are bloody ass blue in the face........singer/songwriter
It makes it oh so much more credible when you first say you don't
personally like someone before saying they have the right to say what
they want...............
Tommy Joe
Curt
>Curtie, dude, you "need to reflect on" the fact that you are "boring as
>bloody ass hell"!!
[snip]
>It doesn't work like that.
It does indeed work like that, grasshopper.
You, obviously, didn't appreciate lesson number one.
Let's see how you do with lesson number two:
"Quantity does not equal quality."
>Get real.
As real as it gets, if you'll only open your eyes.
>Buh-Bye
Hm. Guess I should take some lessons in originality from you?
"Har."
>For Now,
>David
--
Curt, 'nother nonfunny noncom
(The 'nother portion indicates that I'm one of many...
not entirely unlike your nonfunny self, David.)
John Rabon
come...@hotmail.com wrote on 6/17/02 7:25 PM:
> in article B933DC6A.D7A3%johnrabonRE...@johnrabon.com, John Rabon
> at johnrabonRE...@johnrabon.com wrote on 6/17/02 7:35 PM:
>> This festival is the equivalent of a drunk pretending to be homeless so he
>> can panhandle with a "hungry-please help" sign at a busy intersection...then
>> when he's done he goes to the store, picks up some beer and goes home in his
>> SUV.
>> Yeah, that guy disgusts me, but so do the schmucks who give him money.
>
> Hey it's not like I force them to. Welcome back, JR.
The first post I read on ACS recently was Burke responding to Dana...So I
figured I haven't missed anything. Same shit, different year, right?
sing-so...@webtv.net
Enough said (to your lame jealous ass).
....So let me then, now,
*INSTEAD*
correct a minor typo
that kinda bugged me just a bit
in my last post
--from the thread--
"Mike Bent on 'Late Friday' This Week"
(Corrected Post--Just Below):
************************************************
Then I missed your act entirely as I started watching somewhere in the
middle, really. Sorry.
I'll try to catch it next go 'round.
And I meant no offense to you and your appearance on that show--(with
what I said in my post to "Jenee"), when I was talking about that show
and comics in general.
I have never seen your act--so what I said had nothing to do with you
directly--at all.
I just say whatever is on my mind at any given moment in time--in many
of my posts on the internet. Hell, I do the same thing on the radio, and
on stage, *everywhere*. And usually, with mixed results as far as
audience reactions.
But oh well.
My overall point,
though, about that "Late Friday" show on NBC
and shows like it, IS THAT, they just are not all that appealing of a
format from the get-go.
I just don't think
*nothing* *but*
rapid-fire nonstop 'stand-up'
from a mixed-bag group of unknowns
on an hour-long network show,
is the way to go. It is just too little happening from too many. If that
makes sense.
And it is just all too cold and frantic.
You can slice the tension in the air.
And dear sweet Jesus, that M.C. sucked!!
I hope he is not a friend of yours, Mike.
But if he is, Uhhhh, just tell him I was joking. (--Hee Hee--)
Why can't they get a decent host, who has a couch, where the comics can
sit and talk a bit like normal humans before or after their schtick!?
That is what I HATE about how "stand-up" is presented on TV and at many
'showcase/festival' venues!!
It all feels a bit cold when presented that way.
And many of the comics end-up nervously reflecting/projecting that
tense, stilted "cattle-call" atmosphere. It all seems a bit unhealthy
really. Which is probably why so many comics are way-f**ked-up!!
(--Hee Hee--)
But oh well.
But hey, Mike, I dig comedy and comics.
I just don't always get into that whole traditional
"stand-up" "thang"....Or at least the way it is *presented* in too many
venues and on too many pretty damn cheesy television shows.
But, even so, I *STILL* *DO* like traditional stand-up by good comics.
I, for instance, not too long ago,
saw a tape of, Kathy Griffin, doing a very funny "traditional-type" of
*stand-up* from several years back, which was very, very funny!!
Alrighty then. Let me know when you'll be on again, or when they will
*repeat* that show you were on last Friday night. Peace: Out.
Later,
David
sing-so...@webtv.net
Tommy Joe
(what's new?), but - even though I agree it's outrageous to pay to go
on stage, let's not forget that comics are competitiors, and
competitiors in other endeavors wouldn't think it so outrageous to pay
to compete, or should we say "perform".
Professional pool players, for example, must pay their own way,
not only to the tournaments they enter, but they must pay their way
into them. You could argue, with good reason, that pool is a sporting
event, and that comedy is an art form of sorts, but some might argue
that a good pool player is an artist as well. I myself would make
that argument, and will back it up in a heart beat. Not against
anyone, of course. I know my game.
Anyway, sure it's outrageous to pay to get on stage, but that day
could be on it's way. And if it arrives, those with genuine talent
might grumble less as they find fewer unworthy competitiors clogging
up the stage. Of course these events could also be rigged, but in
time the best of the best will learn which events to avoid. I'm not
for the idea. I'm merely stating that comics should be grateful that
at this moment they don't have to pay to get on stage. The day could
arrive.
Tommy Joe (Mystic Seer)
Curt
[snip]
LOL!
Okay, you didn't get lesson two at all,
so I'll reword it slightly.
Here it is again. Pay attention.
Lesson two:
Brevity is the soul of wit.
--
Curt, 'nother nonfunny noncom
sing-so...@webtv.net
Let me be very 'clear, brief and concise'....
....I just don't like that scary 'brevity' stuff, whatever it is!!
Yours truly,
Chafey Brassiere
'The Late Great Magician/Mime'
OFTEN-CALLED:
"The 'Quiet Don Ho' of Aruba"
P.S. I'd like to *now* give a 'SHOUT-OUT!!'
to my lovingly-talented dead wife
(who is now in Atlanta headed to Vegas--right as we bloody speak):
My Dear Wife
OFTEN-CALLED:
"The 'Stank Skank Ho' of Kentucky"
YES!! A BIG 'SHOUT-OUT'
TO:
My Late Great Dead Wife:
'Ms. Titty Twista Sista'
(A Very 'Blue' Black Balloon Artist and Stripper and Loving Mother
to Our Three Dead Children)....:
"Hi, Sugar-Bumpkin!!, Tell Steve C., in Vegas, that check for $295.00
was sent Fedex....And oh yeah, tell Rodney Dangerfield that I gave
Pia Zadora his number!!....
I hope he's okay with that!!"
KlownHuntr
Nahhh, I pay my debts, deadbeat.
~KB
Marshman
festivals.
I have heard from a few comics who say that the smaller festivals are
pay to participate for MOST comics. SOme are invited for free,
because they are good/great comics... and the festivals want those
names involved in their line up. "Laugh-a-polooza" (sp) charge ~$250
to most comics.
From what I understand (I say this because I have not been) the Aspen
Festival will charge comics money to attend the seminars, etc, so they
can have the passes to all the stuff as well. I think the person told
me that those comics pay and are not even part of the line up though.
And you know, if Aspen or Montreal told me I had to pay to
participate/perform... I would. Not all comics are at the level of
being "asked" to these festivals. I dont think I am at that level.
So, hey, to get the experience, exposure, contacts, etc, I would
gladly pay.
So, the only reason I can see people getting upset at someone paying
to perform is the purist attitude. Kinda like how when Green Day
signed with a big record label, all the other punk bands shunned them
because that was "selling out"... taking away from the purity of punk
rock (insert joke here).
So, If you are at the level to where you are invited to attend the big
festivals, congradulations... I can only hope to reach that level.
But if you are not at that level, and your only chance to get the
experience, exposure, contacts, etc, of being involved in a festivla
is to pay... then so be it. And hey, that might lead to being good
enough to being asked to the bigger festivals.
Tommy James
>>And you know, if Aspen or Montreal told me I had to pay to
participate/perform... I would. Not all comics are at the level of being
"asked" to these festivals. I dont think I am at that level. So, hey, to get
the experience, exposure, contacts, etc, I would gladly pay.
(snip)
>>>So, If you are at the level to where you are invited to attend the big
festivals, congradulations... I can only hope to reach that level. But if you
are not at that level, and your only chance to get the experience, exposure,
contacts, etc, of being involved in a festivla is to pay... then so be it. And
hey, that might lead to being good enough to being asked to the bigger
festivals.
<><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
Marshall, this is where I think you would be making a big mistake. To borrow
your words, if you are not "at the level of being "asked" to these festivals,"
then I think you would be doing more harm than good paying to perform in front
of industry decision makers. If they don't like what they see, you'll have
quite a difficult time getting them to take a second look.
If, on the otherhand, you feel as though you have not been invited because the
organizers were unable to see your tape or a live audition, then I might
understand paying for a spot. But the fact remains, if you truly are good then
believe me when I say the folks in Aspen, Montreal, and Chicago already know
about you. They may not have booked you yet, but believe me, they know about
you - and are probably tracking your progress in each annual audition process.
Now if this "nominal" fee is for seminars, lectures and fees associated with
meeting space for networking, I'd have no time paying and writing it off. But
as for paying for a spot to perform, I'd rather wait until they believe it is
my time and I am ready - just as I'm doing with the other established festival
organizers. If and when I finally get into one of the big ones, I know I'll be
ready. Ready to make and impact and in the best possible position for me to
differentiate myself and possibly obtain a deal.
Best of luck to you in both running and performing in the Atlanta showcase.
Tommy James
http://www.tommyjamescomedy.com
Stuart O. Bronstein
Tommy James wrote:
> Marshall:
>
> >>And you know, if Aspen or Montreal told me I had to pay to
> participate/perform... I would. Not all comics are at the
> level of being "asked" to these festivals. I dont think I
> am at that level. So, hey, to get the experience, exposure,
> contacts, etc, I would gladly pay.
>
> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
>
> Marshall, this is where I think you would be making a big
> mistake. To borrow your words, if you are not "at the
> level of being "asked" to these festivals," then I think
> you would be doing more harm than good paying to perform
> in front of industry decision makers. If they don't like
> what they see, you'll have quite a difficult time getting
> them to take a second look.
This reminds me of a solicitation I receive once or twice each year.
Because of my "distinguished record" I have been chosen for the honor
of being listed in Who's Who In the Law. To participate, all I need
to do is to order a copy of the book at about $55 per.
Ha!
Stu
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Out-earning you I'm sure. All bills paid here.
Why are you SUCH a fucking asshole?
Jenee
>I have heard from a few comics who say that the smaller festivals are
>pay to participate for MOST comics.
Which festivals? The only festival I've heard that has any fee for performing
is the Boston Comedy Festival which has a $25 fee for tape submission. Other
festivals charge the general public to attend seminars and shows, but any comic
who's been around a few years and knows some people in this business can get in
for free.
>And you know, if Aspen or Montreal told me I had to pay to
>participate/perform... I would.
Why? Probably because those festivals have a lot of industry in attendance who
could change your career. I'd pay too to be in Aspen or Montreal the way they
are right now. BUT, the reason the industry are there is because the talent
coordinators travel the country throughout the year filtering the comics down
to whatever it is the industry people are looking for that year. If it became
a festival filled with comics who are on that stage only because they can
afford a "nominal" $295 fee, forget it. The industry won't come and it will
just be a bunch of comics who paid way too much for stage time.
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>Well, I have looked further into this "Pay to participate" for comedy
>festivals.
The comedy community is just lucky they don't have to face the ordeal that some
bands face in L.A. 7 days a week. I've heard comics in this NG carp about
"bringer" shows, but in music it's much worse.
In music, the pay-to-play scenario goes something like this: You want to play a
certain club noted for its good exposure, then the owner hands you a stack of
tickets (100, 200, whatever at $5 - $7 each) a few weeks before your scheduled
gig and you start selling them to anyone you can. Those you don't sell.....
you buy. If you sell fewer than you end up buying, it's a negative cash flow
night for the guys in the group. If you can't cover the cost of the tickets you
end up holding, the owner will put a lien on some of your equipment. I've seen
many guys lose awesome guitars and amp heads to this situation.
So count your blessings, comics. So what if it costs you a few bucks to get
some exposure at a festival? Pay the money, go out there and kick ass, and
knock everyone out. You're good enough right? Make it happen. And make the
most of your investment in your career.
I get the impression that most of the people who complain about this are either
cheapskates, broke, or feel that they're too good to spend a little money
towards furthering their careers.
You can't have everything for free, and you don't get the red carpet treatment
until you earn the red carpet treatment, in my opinion. If that doesn't suit
you, look for the festivals and such that you can participate in for free I
guess. I don't see anyone forcing you to participate in the ones that cost.
Ryan Silverman
>"bringer" shows, but in music it's much worse.
Since when does something else being worse mean people don't have the right to
complain about something they think is bad? If I went to the hospital and they
told me they had to amputate my leg, it wouldn't cheer me up to hear some other
guy had died.
Rye
Kristen
<< Well, I have looked further into this "Pay to participate" for comedy
festivals.
From what I understand (I say this because I have not been) the Aspen
Festival will charge comics money to attend the seminars, etc, so they
can have the passes to all the stuff as well. I think the person told
me that those comics pay and are not even part of the line up though.
>>
Here is what I know from having worked for Aspen: Comics have never paid to
perform there. All comics performing in groups (the equivalent to 'New Faces')
are paid a flat fee across the board plus per diem plus hotel and travel. they
are issued Artists Passes which enable them to attend any and all festical show
based on availability meaning if the show is sold out to paid tickets they
might not get in...
As for Montreal, New faces are not paid but have travel and expenses paid. I
believe other comics are paid for performing other show i.e. Gala...
Chicago, to my knowledge, does not pay New Faces but I could be mistaken
here...however they also pay for travel and expenses.
I would never encourage any comic to pay to perform anywhere...I just heard
that a club here in LA was charging open micers $5 to perform...this truly
disgusts me...there are so many places to perform that it's ridiculous.
Jenee...
<< Why? Probably because those festivals have a lot of industry in attendance
who
could change your career. I'd pay too to be in Aspen or Montreal the way they
are right now. BUT, the reason the industry are there is because the talent
coordinators travel the country throughout the year filtering the comics down
to whatever it is the industry people are looking for that year. If it became
a festival filled with comics who are on that stage only because they can
afford a "nominal" $295 fee, forget it. The industry won't come and it will
just be a bunch of comics who paid way too much for stage time. >>
Exactly.
~Kristen~
"sometimes i think this biz could drive the dali lama to wear a halter top." -
Jackie Kashian
Curt
>If I went to the hospital and they told me they
>had to amputate my leg, it wouldn't cheer me
>up to hear some other guy had died.
What if "some other guy" was the one that
made it necessary for you to have your
leg amputated?
Doctor: "Rye, we have some bad news.
You were hit by a car. We have to amputate
you leg as a result. The good news is
we just killed the guy who hit you!"
Nah. I guess that wouldn't necessarily
cheer me up either.
Nevermind.
--
Curt, 'nother nonfunny noncom
http://www.curtjames.com/
(HEY! I *said*, "nonfunny". Get off my back!)
mamu
Ryan Silverman wrote:
Right but it'd make me grateful I wasn't dead.
And let me take this moment to point out, that musicians also don't get shit for
doing their own version of "Honky Tonk Woman". Comics are pressured to be
original and creative. Not just by themselves, but by their peers as well. Not
so much in music, seems like.
~mu
--
Hey Curtin! I'm "covering" your Antiques Roadshow bit! SCREW YA!
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>Ryan Silverman wrote:
>
>>If I went to the hospital and they told me they
>>had to amputate my leg, it wouldn't cheer me
>>up to hear some other guy had died.
>
>What if "some other guy" was the one that
>made it necessary for you to have your
>leg amputated?
>
>Doctor: "Rye, we have some bad news.
>You were hit by a car. We have to amputate
>you leg as a result. The good news is
>we just killed the guy who hit you!"
>
>Nah. I guess that wouldn't necessarily
>cheer me up either.
>
>Nevermind.
What if they did it slowly? Like flayed the skin off his body and rolled him
around in rock salt?
Tommy Joe
bed wanted to buy my shoes. (I know, it's an old one.......but I
always liked it.)
Rye
Tommy Joe
Ollie North
In the movie "All Quiet on the Western Front" a soldier loses his legs
and a buddy takes his boots. Then he is killed and another soldier
takes them. This is repeated several times. The moral. Better to be a
boot then a foot.
Ollie
Semper "It was written by a Kraut" Fi
John Curtin
wrote on 6/20/02 11:27 AM:
> --
> Hey Curtin! I'm "covering" your Antiques Roadshow bit! SCREW YA!
Right, soon's you actually get on stage. I ain't worried ;)
--
Curtin
"Wun chew free faw!"
http://www.johncurtin.net
Tommy Joe
Read it. Can't say I've read many books, but I read that one.
It wasn't one of those intensely long ones. Maybe that's why I
managed it. It was pretty good. Saw the movie, too. There were
several versions. I saw the one with Lew Ayres, from the thirties.
Yes, better to be a boot than a foot, but remember, I also have
shit-boots for sale. If you're wearing boots in the stall, you're
going to need shit-boots. They cost a little more because they take up
more room.
Tommy Joe
Romhell
>>comedy festival and paid to attend?
Yes, of course. I did the Biloxi Comedy Festival in '98 and paid $450 to
enter(well worth it). I also did the Winter Haven Festival in Florida in 2000.
It was a bit pricey($675)but the people from Giggles did attend. Don't listen
to these assholes. Of course you have to pay to be in a festival!
Joel Pace
Peter Grumbine
> Yes, of course. I did the Biloxi Comedy Festival in '98 and paid $450 to
> enter(well worth it). I also did the Winter Haven Festival in Florida in 2000.
> It was a bit pricey($675)but the people from Giggles did attend. Don't listen
> to these assholes. Of course you have to pay to be in a festival!
"Of course?" I don't want to disrupt the fragile colletcion of
misconceptions that you call your self-esteem, but that statement
comes with so much gusto, a reader may overlook all the clues in the
body of the message that tell them paying for a festival is obviously
a waste of time.
I hate to be base about this, but paying to do comedy is like paying
to have sex. You can do it, but it doesn't mean anything. Yes, even if
the prostitute tells you that other prostitutes, or even the pimp,
will be there to see your "work" and get you more, you're just going
to be referenced to another whore.
In a couple of years of posting, this is my first rude post. What'd
you think of it, cocksuckers?
Peter
Laphboy
>In a couple of years of posting, this is my first rude post. What'd
>you think of it, cocksuckers?
Not bad, but Romhell wasn't being serious.
Motherfucker.
Melanie Aultman
Is this what happens when one moves to LA?
Tommy James
>Is this what happens when one moves to LA?
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If you are referring to one's inability to read between the lines and not see
the sarcasm in Romhell's post, no that doesn't happen to everyone. That just
happens to my dopey friend Peter. See ya tomorrow dumby.
Tommy James
http://www.tommyjamescomedy.com
Peter Grumbine
> Is this what happens when one moves to LA?
Yes.
Peter Grumbine
Shitfuck.
Linda H.
"Peter Grumbine" <emory...@hotmail.com> wrote
> Fuck, I need to pay attention sometimes.
>
> Shitfuck.
You shouldn't fuck shit. You'll get germs.
xx L
Wild Bill Dykes
L.A. making you bitter too??
crap.
WBD
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Travis McElroy
Travis McElroy (new comic from Montgomery) chiming in:
I went to the open call auditions in Atlanta. Performed my 5 minutes
for 3 judges and a camera. Yes, it was a bit strange not having the
audience response...BUT I did have the judges response (and trust me,
laughter helps). So I treated it as if they were in the front row of
a packed house.
Afterwards, they complimented me on my stage presence and energy.
Only THEN did they mention the Festival. I knew I was auditioning for
the festival, but I didn't know that you could attend even if you
didn't "win" at the local level.
No one ever asked for money upfront on that day, and they must've
stayed and talked with me about the 'biz for an hour after I audtioned
(I was the last one for the day). Doesn't sound like a scam to me,
scams are usually about "give me your money NOW for the promise of
fame/fortune/riches in the future." Whether this is a "festival" or a
"convention" or a "trade show" is a matter of semantics. The fact is
for relatively cheaply, you get to go to Vegas, attend some very
interesting seminars, get stage time, and say you played in Vegas. I
think it's money well spent, and it sounds like me and Marshman will
be there.
If you want, I'll give you all the post-trip report...maybe make it a
column kinda thing.
I recognize in the entertainment business, sometimes you have to pay
money to make money, and sometimes sketchy folks will take advantage
of that. But this doesn't appear to be one of those situations.
Now, NYC FAME model/talent search on the other hand...
'nuf said.
-Travis
"Rene DeCartes walked into a bar. The bartender said 'care for a
drink?'
DeCartes said 'I think not'...and he disappeared."
jo...@bellsouth.net (Tommy Joe) wrote in message news:<5caa3dbe.02061...@posting.google.com>...
> I know you think I'm trying to be funny, or just looking for attention
> (what's new?), but - even though I agree it's outrageous to pay to go
> on stage, let's not forget that comics are competitiors, and
> competitiors in other endeavors wouldn't think it so outrageous to pay
> to compete, or should we say "perform".
> Professional pool players, for example, must pay their own way,
> not only to the tournaments they enter, but they must pay their way
> into them. You could argue, with good reason, that pool is a sporting
> event, and that comedy is an art form of sorts, but some might argue
> that a good pool player is an artist as well. I myself would make
> that argument, and will back it up in a heart beat. Not against
> anyone, of course. I know my game.
> Anyway, sure it's outrageous to pay to get on stage, but that day
> could be on it's way. And if it arrives, those with genuine talent
> might grumble less as they find fewer unworthy competitiors clogging
> up the stage. Of course these events could also be rigged, but in
> time the best of the best will learn which events to avoid. I'm not
> for the idea. I'm merely stating that comics should be grateful that
> at this moment they don't have to pay to get on stage. The day could
> arrive.
>
> Tommy Joe (Mystic Seer)
Vincent NIVART
I don’t know if you remember me. I’m Vincent, the French guy who was working at the East Providence Comedy Club back in the 90’s.
I saw that after Caito and Morin broke up, you created the Las Vega Comedy Festival. I’m glad you made it up this way, you deserve it.
I’m now the technical director of a concert hall in France, near Paris.
I know this post is over 10 years old but maybe you will see message.
I hope to have some news from you soon !
Vince
Thomas Joseph
post here back in the day when it was a busy place. But it became fractured with
a bunch of people, mostly original members, bitching about all the 'trolls', of which
I was one, according to them. I frequent a group with only two people, me and
another guy who used to post here. I created the group. But I prefer this place -
if it's up and running. The place was invaded and ruined by a few people who
loved copying and pasting the same shit over and over again into the group. But
I see now there's not much going on that way, so I am ready to make my grand
return.
Thomas Joseph aka TJ aka Tommy Joe