Who Was Nasty Fellow On E! "Comedy Store" Special Who Made Cruel Joke About Comic's Suicide?
Jer...@home.com
discussion of a comic who committed suicide, Steve Lubetkin, who
jumped from the roof of the Sunset Hyatt. Apparently, he tried to
place some of the blame on Mitzi Shore.
Regardless of how misplaced this blame was, there was a comic who
made a particularly nasty and unfunny comment, almost laughing at his
own joke, about how the comic couldn't even make it into the Comedy
Store in death, that Lubetkin landed on the Hyatt ledge.
This comic also criticized Tom Dreesen and other comics who went on
strike because they weren't being paid by Shore even when they were
headlining. This guy said that they stabbed Shore in the back by
asking for payment and the comic stated he proudly crossed the picket
line that was manned by Leno, Letterman and others.
His bitterness stood out. I forgot his name though.
Does anybody remember his name? Is he a respected comic?
Doug Doane
<Jer...@Home.com> wrote in message
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That was the Allen Stephan that I also asked about in a different thread and
I too picked up the bitterness. I remember the strike and Dreesen's
activities with them, him bein' an old Chicago boy. The suicide shocked many
of us all the way back in Chicago back then. I also remember a bunch of
Dreesen's Tonight Show spots, but I ain't never fuckin' heard of this Allen
Stephan until tonight.
Later,
Dougie
Jer...@home.com
Rewatched some of the repeat. His name was Allen Stephan. Also,
another comic who crossed the line was Alan Bursky.
By the way, this Stephan character DID laugh when he said how Lubetkin
hit the Hyatt ramp after he jumped, and missed the Comedy Store. This
was contrasted against Dreesen tearing up when recounting the tragedy.
So, anybody ever had any dealings with Allen Stephan? Karma's a
bitch.
Father Luke
Jer...@Home.com :
Stephan character DID laugh when he said how Lubetkin
hit the Hyatt ramp after he jumped, and missed the Comedy Store.
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Saw that. Then he sort of caught himself and added this:
" . . . which was his intention. "
Was that a shit eating look or what ?
So . . . I can't remember, was he laughing about
the dummy in Mitzi's office after the jump, also ?
Father Luke
Reminder: Thanks for posting about the show Tommy James !
Sixminutes
>another comic who crossed the line was Alan Bursky.
If ANYONE knew anything about lines it was Bursky
Mike V.
Matthew Dean
Sixminutes
Baldguy96
>made a particularly nasty and unfunny comment, almost laughing at his
>own joke, about how the comic couldn't even make it into the Comedy
>Store in death, that Lubetkin l
##################
I'll give you the low down on Allen . He is and was a HACK comedian who was the
biggest kiss ass at the store. (by the way I was there for the whole thing) I
was at the first meeting. He hung out at the store for years and years and
finally stuck his nose up Roseannes' ass so far she made him a producer on her
show, using the taste she used in picking her husbands. He now is a producer on
Robert whuls' show "Arliss". He even stole a bit of mine About the Wizard of
OZ and stretched it to 20 minutes. He is a smug, Humorless toad of a human. I
resented his asshole remark too. If you notice they NEVER interviewed MItzi
because you would see what a stupid greedy, idiot she really is and was. BG
Brad
>the
>biggest kiss ass at the store. (by the way I was there for the whole thing)
>I
>was at the first meeting. He hung out at the store for years and years and
>finally stuck his nose up Roseannes' ass so far she made him a producer on
>her
>show, using the taste she used in picking her husbands. He now is a producer
>on
>Robert whuls' show "Arliss". He even stole a bit of mine About the Wizard of
>OZ and stretched it to 20 minutes. He is a smug, Humorless toad of a human. I
>resented his asshole remark too. If you notice they NEVER interviewed MItzi
>because you would see what a stupid greedy, idiot she really is and was. BG
>
>
I was at the old puncline condo, remember the one where all six comics and
about twelve hangers on stayed at once, and Allan was there. I will just say,
"Ouch," and leave it at Bald guys statements.
Hey, speaking of crossing the picket lines. Did you see the Hitchcockesk
silouette of Ollie Joe Prater during the scene on the 15th anniversary?
best
brad
http://www.streetjoke.com
http://www.billyfustertag.com
Stevie Mac
>silouette of Ollie Joe Prater during the scene on the 15th anniversary?
>best
>brad
yeah but not ONE mention!
i saw Lou Deck in the background of one shot too. Whatever happened to Lou?
Stevie Mac
YALL-ternative Comic!
http://www.stevemcgrew.com
SID RENO
I think not !
Allen is one of the best minds in the comedy world. He was a very importain
member of Sam Kinisons outlaws. I would watch him night after night at the
store and in hundreads of cities across the world. ANYONE WHO DISRESPECTS ALLEN
STEPHEN IS A HACK WHO IS CLUELESS ABOUT THE GAME !
Doug Doane
Stevie Mac <stevm...@aol.comedy4u> wrote in message
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>
> i saw Lou Deck in the background of one shot too. Whatever happened to
Lou?
>
> Stevie Mac
> YALL-ternative Comic!
> http://www.stevemcgrew.com
He was here in Florida for some time. Married a policewoman over in Tampa.
Heard it didn't work out but he shows up in Orlando to visit Vicki Roussman
quite a bit.
Later,
Dougie
Doug Doane
Baldguy96 <bald...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> ##################
> I'll give you the low down on Allen . He is and was a HACK comedian who
was the
> biggest kiss ass at the store. (by the way I was there for the whole
thing) I
> was at the first meeting. He hung out at the store for years and years and
> finally stuck his nose up Roseannes' ass so far she made him a producer on
her
> show, using the taste she used in picking her husbands.
Well, that pretty much describes my brief concept of the guy. I watched the
special twice last night just to try and read this guy a little more. I felt
that he had his head so far up Mitzi's ass that he could perform a
tonsilectomy. I've met guys like this SO many times in my career. He really
pissed me off when he said you couldn't develop into a proper comic unless
you worked the Store. Shit. The entire first 15 minutes were about the
trials that Sammy Shore went through to become a comic before he STARTED the
Comedy Store. I'll take Ronnie Bullard, Mark Klein, Russ Nagel, Tim Wilson,
myself and about 20 other great comics, just from the Southeast alone, and
let this fuckwad headline for 'em all. Than we will see if his philosphies
change any.
Later,
Dougie
Baldguy96
>Allen is one of the best minds in the comedy world.
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If he was sooooo great how come he never did anything of importance. just hang
around the Comedy Store kissing ASS.
##################
>He was a very importain
>member of Sam Kinisons outlaws.
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translation: hanger on Kiss ass
##################
>I would watch him night after night at the
>store and in hundreads of cities across the world.
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he NEVER worked anywhere except where Sam would take him.
####################
Anyone who thinks this guy is one of the best minds in the comedy world.... has
a rail road spike in his head. I REPEAT ....I was there.... before and,during
the strike......... he crossed the line to kiss Mitzis ASS...and probably fuck
her. which was standard procudure for her. she fucked many comedians who
amazinly became her favorites. BG
Brad Slaight
>Lou?
Probably in a small apartment somewhere in downtown Hollywood polishing his
worn red shoes.
Brad Slaight
Doug Doane
> ######################
> If he was sooooo great how come he never did anything of importance. just
hang
> around the Comedy Store kissing ASS.
I think every comedy club in a large city has one of these types. In Chicago
our Allen Stephan was Bob Thomas. Same shit. Would do anything just to be
associated with the Comedy Cottage. This guy did every stock line whenever
he had his chance on stage. He invented the "can you see me through this mic
stand", according to him. We had a parallel strike going on with LA. Thomas
crossed the line from us. Thomas used to run errands for "Big Ed"
Hellenbrandt, our Mitzi. I remember in the late 70's, he was involved in a
bad auto accident in front of the Cottage. He recovered, sued and won a
couple hundred grand. Suddenly he became worse. He showed up in a new car
(most of us struggling comics drove "rent a wrecks"; $200, no insurance and
lot's of prayers to get us to the next gig. Jeff Allen had an old VW bug
that he lived in behind the Cottage), bought drinks for everybody, etc. We
all used to meet at this greasy spoon down the road for breakfast. Thomas
began picking up everyone's bill around the table. Danny Storts refused to
let him pay, saying "I don't care if you can afford it. So can I. I earned
my money tonight. Any idiot can break his neck". For the moment, it was
priceless.
Later,
Dougie
Doug Doane
Brad Slaight <bisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
I had heard of Deck and his red shoes for years. Finally, sometime in the
early 90's I discovered he was going to feature for me. I went out and
bought a bright red pair of Converse hightops. I wore them to the show that
night. When Deck saw me in a pair of red shoes, he just dropped like in a
bottomless elevator shaft.
Deck: "How long have you been wearing red shoes"?
Me: "Good gosh, since forever...probably at least 18 years now. They're my
trademark. Hey...cool. You've got on red shoes too. What a great
compliment".
He was so upset, he just sulked in the corner all night. I wore them all
week, playing up the fact that we were like brothers with our red shoes,
this had never happened to ME before, maybe we should book "The Red Shoe
Tour" together, and so on. He never caught on that I was just playing with
him. He was just so obsessed about the shoes all week long. I felt sorry for
the waitstaff, because they were the brunt of most of Deck's misery every
night when I was on. You had to be there. The entire week revolved around a
pair of fucking shoes.
Later,
Dougie
Ms Fny Mny
>
I worked with Allen on Saturday Night Special with Roseanne years ago. He was a
producer and I was a talent coordinator. The show was high stress to say the
least, I found Allen to be kind, well respected, and honest. Not things you can
say about most people in the industry. He had nothing to gain from giving me
the time of day. I had lunch with him a few months ago, set up by his agent who
is a friend of mine, and had a lovely time. The guy knows comedy, and was the
class act I remember.
Just my two cents,
Judi
Copscotch
>I think every comedy club in a large city has one of these types. In Chicago
>our Allen Stephan was Bob Thomas. Same shit. Would do anything just to be
>associated with the Comedy Cottage. This guy did every stock line whenever
>he had his chance on stage. He invented the "can you see me through this mic
>stand", according to him. We had a parallel strike going on with LA. Thomas
>crossed the line from us. Thomas used to run errands for "Big Ed"
>Hellenbrandt, our Mitzi. I remember in the late 70's, he was involved in a
>bad auto accident in front of the Cottage. He recovered, sued and won a
>couple hundred grand. Suddenly he became worse. He showed up in a new car
>(most of us struggling comics drove "rent a wrecks"; $200, no insurance and
>lot's of prayers to get us to the next gig. Jeff Allen had an old VW bug
>that he lived in behind the Cottage), bought drinks for everybody, etc. We
>all used to meet at this greasy spoon down the road for breakfast. Thomas
>began picking up everyone's bill around the table. Danny Storts refused to
>let him pay, saying "I don't care if you can afford it. So can I. I earned
>my money tonight. Any idiot can break his neck". For the moment, it was
>priceless.
>
>Later,
>Dougie
bob thomas took his own life about 5 years ago he had some kind of
complication with his neck and i think he was partially parylized i guess he
couldnt cope with it
Doug Doane
Ms Fny Mny <msfn...@aol.comspamnomo> wrote in message
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Whatever happened to FUNNY! All the praise I keep hearing is about how nice
the guy is. So is my next door neighbor Heyward. Super nice guy. Best
neighbor ya could ever want. Hell, he'll do lunch with ya and I guarantee
you'll have a lovely time.
I've never run across this guy in 25 years working hundreds of comedy venues
for Sobel, Creative, The Funny Bones, Yoder, Slapstix, Catch; from Chicago,
Detroit, Kansas City, New York, Philadelphia, Florida, The Carribean, Texas,
Vegas...hell, I've been everywhere EXCEPT the Comedy Store. Suddenly, this
guy is one of the experts on comedy worthy of opinion? Sorry, but I ain't
buying it back here in Florida. That was one large suckup job I saw last
night. Doesn't FUNNY equate into the comedy biz anymore out there?
Later,
Dougie (wondering if this will bring Marmel into the thread)
Doug Doane
Copscotch <cops...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> bob thomas took his own life about 5 years ago he had some kind of
> complication with his neck and i think he was partially parylized i guess
he
> couldnt cope with it
>
>
No shit coppy? Even though he was obnoxious, that makes me feel sad right
now. He so badly wanted to be accepted. Do you think the closing of the
Cottage could have added to the depression?
Later,
Dougie
A madstork
wasnt started by Oppie.
kdm
Tim Mitchell
[snip]
> Whatever happened to FUNNY!
[snip]
> Later,
> Dougie (wondering if this will bring Marmel into the thread)
Maybe not, but judging strictly from the comics Judi chooses to work
with, I'll say this without hesitation: Judi knows funny.
--
Tim Mitchell
Steve Marmel
Sure, what the hell, I'm here. Mostly because you asked nicely.
I like the comedy store piece, and I'm not the biggest fan of the Store
(having one of their open mikers try to pull me out of my car and beat the crap
out of me with four of his pals as back-up will do that).
I thought it was an interesting look at a period of time in Comedy, using
the store as a focal point.
To the point of the thread:
1) If a person can remain half way decent while working for Roseanne,
there's something to be said for that.
2) I've never seen the guy's act, but his lack of appearing outside of LA
doesn't mean much. If you threw darts at a road map at all the cities I've
worked in the last five years, you'd probably only need eight darts.
I don't think it's a barometer of talent... it's more a barometer of how
comfortable you are leaving LA, and how often you have to do it to acheive your
goals.
3) I keep hearing how the guy was mean to the comic who comitted suicide.
Uh... 23 years, folks. And we've all joked about it before, amongst ourselves.
I have the retention skills of mice, and I both knew that story, and have
laughed about it, among comic friends.
Anybody here do a Kennedy Joke?
I kind of like the guy being coarse. It was nice to see a comic talk like
a comic -- sniping, sarcastic and not really giving a crap what came out of his
mouth.
4) It was E! Of course it was a suck up. The only time I see sharp,
biting "biographies" rear up is when a person is dead or their career deemed
unsavable.
Otherwise, it's a reach around that grabs itself, like the Joan Rivers
piece.
Hey, I saw enough of Pauly Shore last night to last me a life time, I found
the E! thing a good watch.
Come on... the stage that Pryor walked? Carrey? Kinison? Letterman? How
can you flat out hate a piece that shines a warm light on comedy, when guys
like Rockwell, Kailin and Buttafuco are busy rubbing their ass with it now?
Two cents back.
-- Steve
Copscotch
>now. He so badly wanted to be accepted. Do you think the closing of the
>Cottage could have added to the depression?
>
>Later,
>Dougie
>
that i think he was mainly depressed over his health bean would know
more she went to the funeral
Doug Doane
Steve Marmel <marm...@aol.commodio> wrote in message
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>
> Come on... the stage that Pryor walked? Carrey? Kinison? Letterman?
How
> can you flat out hate a piece that shines a warm light on comedy, when
guys
> like Rockwell, Kailin and Buttafuco are busy rubbing their ass with it
now?
>
> Two cents back.
>
> -- Steve
>
...and a well spent 2 cents. Welcome back and a belated congrats on your new
show.
Later,
Dougie
Stuart O. Bronstein
Tim Mitchell wrote:
>
> Maybe not, but judging strictly from the comics Judi chooses
> to work with, I'll say this without hesitation: Judi knows
> funny.
Well, she's been staying away from me like I've got typhoid. Probably
just cause she's busy.
Stu
Reidman
out a number of times over the years. Doanie, don't know why you never ran
into him, he did work the road in the early 80's, at the Comic Strip in Ft.
Lauderdale among other places.
Regarding his remarks on the show: I think it was Denny Johnston who once
noticed that the only time he ever heard the Comedy Store comedians shut up and
act reverential was when this incident occurred, and that it was just because
they were trying to come up with the the best possible line.
We've all done that, boys and girls, have we not, taking the day's tragedy and
writing an irreverent joke.
"Oh, too soon for you people?"
Sound familiar?
Let he etc etc cast the first stone, know what I mean . . .?
He was part of Kinisons "outlaws" troupe, guys who opened for Sam in Vegas and
all those other places in those last crazy years - along with Carl LaBove,
Mitchell Walters, and other people whose names I can't remember through this
fever.
Hey, not saying these guys were angels by any means.
But where's the logic in saying things like "how come I never heard of that
guy? He must not be funny."
Because people are saying that about you. Every time they call the comedy club
and ask who's playing. I know. I'm the guy who answers the phone.
ron "nobody wants to f*** the ticket guy" reid
Doug Doane
Steve Marmel <marm...@aol.commodio> wrote in message
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>
of LA
> doesn't mean much. If you threw darts at a road map at all the cities
I've
> worked in the last five years, you'd probably only need eight darts.
> I don't think it's a barometer of talent... it's more a barometer of
how
> comfortable you are leaving LA, and how often you have to do it to acheive
your
> goals.
But Steve, funny travels through the comedy grapevine. There are hundreds of
comics I've never met in my lifetime that are funny and I've HEARD of them,
either from bookers, club owners, or especially other comics. There are many
comics that never leave the comfort of their hometown...physically. Even the
bad comics eventually get credit. Hell, you started in Chicago. Ira Novos
and Bill Kraz were famous throughout the Midwest for bad, just from other
comics spreading stories of their nightly attempts of humor and the horrors
that followed. It's the hacks that remain unknowns, not funny or bad enough
to garner any reputation. Allen Stephan may be comfortable not to leave LA,
but apparently he's never done anything to impress his peers.
I'll posture a quick question for you LA guys that know him. Name a bit he
does that can identify him and his show to the rest of us.
Later,
Dougie
Doug Doane
Tim Mitchell <s...@graphicacts.com> wrote in message
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I'm not questioning Judi's integrity or judgement. I've never met her, but
she seems very sweet. I don't think she's ever posted a negative comment
about a comic in here. She is always positive. Her post was how nice and
knowledable about comedy Allan Stephan was. That's not describing a comic to
me. That could be anyone from a bartender to my uncle who has a massive LP
collection of comedy and you can never escape his barrage of jokes at the
family get together. The red flag I'm waiving in this thread is "Who the
fuck was this Allen Stephan and what has he done". So far, I've learned he
primarily has had his lips attached to Mitzi's ass. Nobody has posted any
other clubs he's worked, TV, movies, commercials, routines or bits that are
memorable, assasination attempts...nuthin'. I've also learned he rode the
coattails of Kinison, and then Rosanne. Oh, and he's nice. That's a classic
comic wannabe in my book.
Later,
Dougie
Doug Doane
Reidman <rei...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Allen Stephen is or was a very good comedian with whom I got to work and
hang
> out a number of times over the years. Doanie, don't know why you never
ran
> into him, he did work the road in the early 80's, at the Comic Strip in
Ft.
> Lauderdale among other places.
>
OK...case closed on this end. As one of the senior comics in here and fellow
club manager, if Ron says this guy is a decent comic, that's good 'nuf fer
me.
Later,
Dougie
A madstork
" Ira Novos
and Bill Kraz were famous throughout the Midwest for bad,"
WHAT!!!!!! Ira was a bad comic!!?? Aww, fuck. 12 years of emulation down the
drain.
Who is funny then, God dammit! I dont want to waste another 12 years.
kdm
Stuart O. Bronstein
Doug Doane wrote:
>
> OK...case closed on this end. As one of the senior comics in here and fellow
> club manager, if Ron says this guy is a decent comic, that's good 'nuf fer
> me.
Ron also has a bridge for sale if you're in the market.
Stu
"Lonesome" Keith
"A madstork" <amad...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Who is funny then, God dammit! I dont want to waste another 12 years.
>
You are my friend , emulate thy self.
"Lonesome" Keith
"I'm selling these T shirts so I don't have to sell my blood"
Tommy James
>>Because people are saying that about you. Every time they call the comedy
club and ask who's playing. I know. I'm the guy who answers the phone.
>
That hurt. That really hurt.
Tommy James
http://www.tommyjamescomedy.com
Steve Marmel
Hey -- I'm not getting dragged into a big ol' flame war about who is funny
in LA. I was just making a point.
Fact is, anybody that's in this to impress his or her peers is probably
doing it for the wrong reasons anyway.
-- Steve
Doug Doane
Stuart O. Bronstein <sab...@pacbell.net> wrote in message
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Only if it charges a toll.
Later,
Dougie
Baldguy96
>coattails of Kinison, and then Rosanne. Oh, and he's nice. That's a classic
>comic wannabe in my book.
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You got it! BG
Ms Fny Mny
>a
>producer and I was a talent coordinator.
I have never seen Allen perform stand-up. I only know him as a producer.I'm
just pointing out that he is as informed about the early years of the Comedy
Store as anyone I know. As for being a kiss ass to those who are on the way
up..........well anyone who wants to say "that they have never done that", is
in a different comedy business than I report to everyday.
Judi
Wilkins003
>up..........well anyone who wants to say "that they have never done that", is
>in a different comedy business than I report to everyday.
>Judi
With that I'll take the opportunity to say Hi Judi and Steve, have a great day,
hope things are going well for you both.
Best wishes,
Tim Wilkins
Wilkins003
>>I think not !
>>Allen is one of the best minds in the comedy world.
>######################
>If he was sooooo great how come he never did anything of importance. just
>hang
>around the Comedy Store kissing ASS.
>>He was a very importain
>>member of Sam Kinisons outlaws.
>
>##################
>translation: hanger on Kiss ass
>##################
>
>>I would watch him night after night at the
>>store and in hundreads of cities across the world.
>
>################
>he NEVER worked anywhere except where Sam would take him.
>####################
>Anyone who thinks this guy is one of the best minds in the comedy world....
>has
>a rail road spike in his head. I REPEAT ....I was there.... before and,during
>
>the strike......... he crossed the line to kiss Mitzis ASS...and probably
>fuck
>her. which was standard procudure for her. she fucked many comedians who
>amazinly became her favorites. B
I had never even heard of the guy until this thread but as always your candor
is priceless BG.
I love you man!
Also, hey to Dougie.
Tim
Doug Doane
Ms Fny Mny <msfn...@aol.comspamnomo> wrote in message
I'm definitely in a different comedy biz then. The secret of my success is
kissing my own ass. Only I can control my destiny, not Mitzi, Bud, a booker,
club owner, producer, or anyone else in this business. I'll work with anyone
and let them have a chunk of my career and I hope it brings them many
rewards, but the minute I lose control of it, they can all go fuck
themselves.
Later,
Dougie
Matthew Dean
>As for being a kiss ass to those who are on the way
>up..........well anyone who wants to say "that they have never done that", is
>in a different comedy business than I report to everyday.
>Judi
I have to disagree Judi. I never see any asskissing in this business. I know
someone as smart and creative as yourself probably sees more of these pathetic
attempts to gain acceptance than I have, but I just dont see it. Sure you have
a mountain of class and charm but I just dont think that there is as much
asskissing as you claim.
md
EyeSalmon
her. which was standard procudure for her. she fucked many comedians who
>>>>>
No harm intended but I see no harm in getting some ass and comedy work at the
same time, but if she wanted me to fuck her son, that's where I draw the line.
" Your buddy from the other side of the tracks"
~Ian
Watch my video http://hometown.aol.com/eyesalmon/Improv.html
Prinny
>bean would know
> more she went to the funeral
Wow, she will go anywhere for a free pork sandwich...
Moi xxxx
Flip
kicked off the NG? Should we vote, or just unlock the chain?
jew
<a href="http://www.flipschultz.com">www.flipschultz.com</a>
SUZY SORO
producer, or anyone else in this business. I'll work with anyone and let them
have a chunk of my career and I hope it brings them many
rewards, but the minute I lose control of it, they can all go fuck themselves.<
That's sometimes a tough call if you move to the big 2 and have agents and
managers advising you. If they're good reps, they should be giving you good
advice, and to ignore it is sometimes not in your best interest. I've
definitely kept my input in any suggestion and sometimes even gone against the
advice I've gotten. Sometimes I've been wrong and sometimes I've been right.
But I've noticed that comics tend to be very controlling and out here that can
be the kiss of death. If you're with ICM and they tell you not to audition for
something because it will hurt your career, you tend to listen. Depends on
where the advice is coming from.
Even if you're just working the road you will get advice from bookers and
owners. Is a newbie supposed to ignore that and risk getting no work when we
all know you don't know shit in standup until after 10 years, at least.
The first TV show I ever did in LA was Comedy Express and after a rehearsal the
producer called me over and gave me a suggestion for the punchline for one of
my jokes. He changed my punchline, which was "$42.00" to "$42.50" Since the
joke was about credit cards, I explained to him that there was no payment of
$42.50. It was always rounded off. He said, "Just try it" So I did and he was
right; it worked better. After he saw me do it he said, "Wow, you're the first
comic who ever listened to me"
Suzy Soro
To my knowledge, two heads are often better than one
SUZY SORO
doesn't mean much. <
Gotta agree with Marmel here, Doane. Some guys came to LA millenia ago and
carved out nice little careers at the Store and Improv and the environs. Why
would they travel to Ohio to work and miss out on auditions for TV?
And even though I worked with you back in Chicago, I didn't recognize your name
here in the ng until you e'd me and told me we'd worked together. TV puts
comics names out there more than the road IMNSHO.
Suzy Soro
To my knowledge, all the people who did recognize Allen Stephan's name knew him
from TV
SUZY SORO
>And even though I worked with you back in Chicago, I didn't recognize your
name
here in the ng until you e'd me and told me we'd worked together<
...anymore than you recognized mine.
Suzy Soro
To my knowledge, forgot to put that in earlier