What the fuck is wrong with Buddy Hackett?
Mike McCarthy
on an old line, and Buddy Hackett defended the guy using it. I thought
Joey did it in a non malicious manner and he said comedy is not
kareoke(sp?) and he's right. If you are doing a line or a joke that
has been done before, and someone points it out the honorable thing to
do is to drop it. No one accused this guy of stealing the joke, it
just was done before in a movie. What the fuck is wrong with Buddy
Hackett? Monique defended the guy as well but she doesn't do stand up
and therefore can be excused for her ignorance, I guess. But Buddy
Hackett has been doing this his whole life, and for what stand up has
done for him he should be the first one to help maintain it's
integrity. Shame on you!
LeifSkyving
>From: thecomedy...@hotmail.com (Mike McCarthy)
>Date: 6/11/03 9:06 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <363f4a03.03061...@posting.google.com>
it's not possible to say something similar to what's been in a movie? I
guarantee you, we could sit down and take anyones act, including yours, and
find line after line that has been said in a similar or exact way somewhere
sometime.
Leif Skyving
http://www.funnyswede.com
BillKirch
>has been done before, and someone points it out the honorable thing to
>do is to drop it.
####################
Somebody call Buzz Sutherland. BG
Bill Varren
There's one line in a bit of mine that I heard someone else do almost
exactly like mine in an open mic last week. I wrote it about a month ago.
I'm sure it's been done before (what hasn't) but my question lies with,
should I drop it from my act completely or what?
I'll be doing an open mic either this week or next week where I heard this
guy do that line. Should I just not do it there or should I just not do it
at all?
Thanks
Bill Varren
P.S. - Don't you love the newbie questions.
Queen of all possible thongs
Can you say vodka?
Suzy Soro
To my knowledge, no secret out here but he's a longtime drunk. He said 'fuck',
how great was that?
PsychicComedy
To my knowledge, no secret out here but he's a longtime drunk. He said 'fuck',
how great was that?>>>
Aw no, man. He was edgy. True to his voice. The avant garde of alternative. 40
years before his time.
I thought him calling Rogan an asshole and telling him to shut the fuck up was
the most interesting part of that show.
B
Curtin
> it's not possible to say something similar to what's been in a movie? I
> guarantee you, we could sit down and take anyones act, including yours, and
> find line after line that has been said in a similar or exact way somewhere
> sometime.
The joke in question was almost word for word. As soon as the guy did
the bit, I knew I'd heard it in "Boiler Room," and then Rogan pointed
out the same thing. Someone I know says they have an old Robin Tyler
album with that joke on it too. The guy did another joke about gays
and boxing ("Fighting over a belt and a purse"), which is another old
joke. Hackett didn't just say "Hey maybe it's paralell thought," his
exact words were "You said it, it's yours." THAT'S what I have a
problem with, he basically legitimized stealing.
--
Curtin
http://www.johncurtin.net
Comedywood
buddy Hacket acknowledged is the old POV - You said it - it's yours... YOUR
twist on it....
Plagiarism is never condoned, but a voice should be heard. As the years go
on, standard (hack) lines get replaced with original material and thought.
Standard lines should not be in a showcase set (never mind a 3 minute one).
This simply separates the rookies from the pros. What you put in your show
initially is what you think the society realates to as funny and graduate
delivering what YOU think is funny.
How many of you were finishing the line watching the show....look to your
right, look to your left...if they are not ugly......
Same with the show....they are looking for a single voice that stands out
and delivers the material in a funny way.
BORIS
http://www.comedywood.com/b-index.html
"Curtin" <come...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:21471669.03061...@posting.google.com...
Jeff Masterson
> There's one line in a bit of mine that I heard someone else do almost
> exactly like mine in an open mic last week. I wrote it about a month ago.
> I'm sure it's been done before (what hasn't) but my question lies with,
> should I drop it from my act completely or what?
>
Depends on your situation. I drop bits. I ask the guy when he wrote it
and compare the dates then ask him to drop it if I wrote it before he
did. If he wrote before I did or he won't drop it then I drop it. But
I only do that because I write for other poeple and my writng
integrity has to be intact.
Mark Saltveit
> Alright you all...here's a poser for the group.
>
> There's one line in a bit of mine that I heard someone else do almost
> exactly like mine in an open mic last week. I wrote it about a month ago.
> I'm sure it's been done before (what hasn't) but my question lies with,
> should I drop it from my act completely or what?
When you see the guy (or gal) just go up to them and talk it out.
Laura
Funny, isn't she part of the Queens of comedy tour (the female version of the
one with Cedric, Bernie, Hughley and Steve Harvey)?
That's stand up, last I checked. :)
Laura
Keep your hands and arms inside at all times until the ride has come to a
complete stop.
Wilkins003
Thank you G'night.
Tim
GetRichQuick712
bald...@aol.comfuckspam (BillKirch) writes:
>Somebody call Buzz Sutherland. BG
Leave Sutherland alone....what ever happened between u two? He do a better set
than you and u are holding a grudge?
GetRichQuick712
thecomedy...@hotmail.com (Mike McCarthy) writes:
> But Buddy
>Hackett has been doing this his whole life, and for what stand up has
>done for him he should be the first one to help maintain it's
>integrity. Shame on you!
I am not gonna take a stand on if the person should drop it but...I think
Hackett came on a little too strong. Rogan, did mention in a professional
manner and said that he wan't accusing the comic of stealing it but just
pointing it out. Hackett started cursing Rogan out....not nice
Mac McClellan
Monique does in fact do stand up, as I have personally witnessed here
in Baltimore, as well on screen in the popular "Queens Of Comedy"
show. She has a book currently out that recounts her stand up
experience, called "Skinny Women Are Evil".
But, you too can be excused for your ignorance.
You're looking for "integrity" on a "reality-based" comedy show?
Around here, that's called "nignant".
Mac
MARK KNOPE
In a perfect, rational world...that would probably work.
However, SOME people just never listen...and it would depend on how much of a
conscience that person had...and how much intergrity they possessed.
Ahhh fuck it.
Tommy Joseph
> From: come...@hotmail.com (Curtin)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com/
> Newsgroups: alt.comedy.standup
> Date: 11 Jun 2003 14:01:32 -0700
> Subject: Re: What the fuck is wrong with Buddy Hackett?
Stealing from WHO?
Tommy Joe
Tommy Joseph
> From: thecomedy...@hotmail.com (Mike McCarthy)
> Organization: http://groups.google.com/
> Newsgroups: alt.comedy.standup
> Date: 11 Jun 2003 09:06:39 -0700
> Subject: What the fuck is wrong with Buddy Hackett?
Maybe Hackett would be the first one to defend comedy's integrity, but
maybe since he's got some actual experience in the field he might also know
something about the lack of it as well. So, Rogan calls a guy on 'an old
line', does he? Well, will Rogan know every single 'old line' that comes
along and recognize it as old? Maybe he has used old lines himself and not
even known they were old. Maybe all comedy clubs and tv studios should have
a panel of judges and a quick computer as their aid as they sit in darkness
off to the side somewhere and their sole purpose is to catch any old lines
being used by comics the world over, and every time it happens a bell rings
and the bit is interupted and the comic has points deducted from his
'official comic ranking' which is reviewed every time the comic goes out and
applies for a job. I didn't watch this show, by the way, and could not care
much less about it. I also don't care for hearing old lines all the time
and stealing other people's material, etc., but really, maybe Hackett is
experienced enough to know that being a comic is not just about being an
original writer all the time. Maybe the guy is just being realistic. Yes,
I didn't see the show, but that doesn't matter. Point is, it's just a
fucking TV show and I really can't see any true comic getting too upset
about what happens on a TV show, unless of course they want to be on that
show and getting on it is the absolute highlight of their life.
Tommy Joe
DaFlaBear
sitting around the Friars Club at lunch.
Buddy is a legend, Rogan has a LONG way to go to reach Hackett's career.
Frankly, the whole thing was no big deal.
Everybody steals material, either consciously or subconsciously
Hey, ever see Robin Wiliams do standup?
He has been "borrowing" stuff for years!
BillKirch
>than you
############
Me Tarzan.. you idiot
##########
>.what ever happened between u two?
#############
Never met the man. Don't care to. why don't you try actually spelling out the
word. YOU. What are you his lawyer? BG
BillKirch
>He has been "borrowing" stuff for years!
################
TRUE. BG
Ryan Silverman
>right, look to your left...if they are not ugly...
The best thing about that line being on there, is that we were watching the
show down at a bar in town where we do a weekly show, and there's a guy who
comes down a lot and is generally considered a hack, who does that bit. So when
it came on, we were all looking for him cause it's always fun to call him out
on it.
Mark Saltveit
> >When you see the guy (or gal) just go up to them and talk it out.
And mkn...@aol.comZAP (MARK KNOPE) wrote in message news:<20030611212633...@mb-m10.aol.com>...
> In a perfect, rational world...that would probably work.
>
> However, SOME people just never listen...and it would depend on how much of a
> conscience that person had...and how much intergrity they possessed.
Of course. No guarantees. But it IS the right thing to do, and the
best way to handle it. The other guy might be a prick, but don't let
him drag you down.
If nothing good comes of it, at least you've said your piece and
cleared the air.
Plus, as I recall, this guy's a newbie. Good educational experience.
Andy
Methinks thou dost protest too much.
The simple fact is that the overwhelming majority of comics working
the road today are thieves and shameless hacks.
You atttempt to legitimize theft by saying the joke belongs to the
first "known" comic. The simple fact is that there are open micers,
newby emcees and fresh-faced features who are getting ripped off all
the time by road dogs.
Why do you think you're called dogs?
Audiences know it, and most of you know it -- because you do it. It's
easy to use your established reputation to rip somebody off then
torpedo that individual's career at the next stop down the road by
accusing the individual you stole from of stealing your bit. You don't
have enough talent to rise in your profession, so the next thing to do
is eliminate the threats.
Hell, there are just way too many comics going nowhere but the next
stop down the road -- all for fewer dollars than they were paid last
year.
Just this week I heard a couple say they quit going to comedy clubs.
"Different faces, same jokes."
At least Hackett, a fellow who has paid more than his share of dues,
understands that a true comic is a lot more than the sum of his or her
punchlines. A comic has to entertain.
That ain't being done, and the proof is in your paychecks. That's just
the cold, cruel reality of our economic system. Just ask professor
Doug Doane.
Andy
Ted Kennedy
on an old line, and Buddy Hackett defended the guy using it.
WWRWD?
(What would Robin Wiliams Do?)
Bill OReally
Andy Guy wrote:
>The simple fact is that the overwhelming majority of comics working
>the road today are thieves and shameless hacks.
>Audiences know it, and most of you know it -- because you do it.
>Hell, there are just way too many comics going nowhere but the next
>stop down the road -- all for fewer dollars than they were paid last
>year.
>Just this week I heard a couple say they quit going to comedy clubs.
>"Different faces, same jokes."
>A comic has to entertain.
>That ain't being done, and the proof is in your paychecks.
NO! I'm going to tell you the fucking problem with road comedy.
The problem is that there is no innovation on the road.
Why?
Because bookers don't take chances.
They have their stable of road hacks that they keep booking over and over
again, along with fucking cheap ass fraudulent
hypnotist.
Bookers Idea of edgy, is a comic with a shaved head getting a pussy joke over
on a female audience. WOW!
They don't look for the funniest innovating acts, they want safe comics that
are going nowhere that will work for the amount of shit that they pay, with
little complaint.
All because they can hold an audience for 60 min with the same goddamn act as
ten years ago.
I disagree that audiences notice all the time.
I still see them laugh when a hack gets on stage and says please move the green
gremlin from the parking lot.
As far as Buddy Hackett is concerned, his era of comedy is gone, over caput!
Stealing is wrong.
It is about entertaining the audience, but does one have to steal to do it?
I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are plenty of hard working comics,
that write original, and are funny.
This is indicitve of what our society has become.
Music Sampling is in, but it's not original.
I guess that is true with stand up.
Just the other day I was watching letterman, and the comic performing did a bit
on how he was afraid of dying too suddenly, because he was afraid someone would
go into his closet afterwards, and find his Porno collection.
We all know who first did that bit.
and if you think like Buddy Hackett, I suppose the bit belongs to the comic who
did it at that moment.
Fuck Bill Hicks he's been long dead, all his shit is up for grabs, right Buddy?
The guys gets booked on Letterman, so what the fuck do I know.
Rejoice hacks, there is light at the end of your dark hacky tunnel.
And down goes standup.
Bill O'Really (All alone, but great minds usually are)
Comedywood
hate for your comedy shortcomings and career advancements, you should
concentrate on YOU. It's not my fault as a hypnotist for being booked -
obviously the work has been acquired by merit. There are ground breaking and
original acts no matter what medium. YOU should be that front-runner.Find a
voice and a platform, then entertain to the fullest.
You call someone you saw on TV hack, just because they did a line similar to
the one you have heard before. By the time you see that TV appearance, the
material gets approved, scrutinized, edited and re-hashed over and over
again. The many people involved, saw a fresh voice delivering an old subject
matter. I will not stand on the side of theft, but performers deliver the
same subject matter with their own POV. This is how subject matter BECOMES
hack - remember airline material (food, first class curtain, size of
seats)....it was fresh and funny at one point.
On the other hand originality and persona is what makes you stand out of the
herd.
Hypnotist The Incredible BORIS
http://www.comedywood.com/b-index.html
"Bill OReally" <billo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030612124041...@mb-m23.aol.com...
Marz
> original acts no matter what medium. > >
no matter what medium?
no matter what medium????
you sayin you guys are better'n us !!!!?????
Comedywood
through the bin and you will find a gem that sparkles.
And to answer your question - YES I am better% (or at least that is the
APPROACH I take when it comes to my skills as a performer).... Not
arrogance, just belief in ME and the show I deliver..... I don't think I am
better than anyone - the only thing I compete with is MY last show. I do
have a fragile ego, but channel my energies to improving myself instead of
competing.
BORIS
http://www.comedywood.com/b-index.html
"Marz" <ma...@austin.tex> wrote in message
news:vehj2q5...@corp.supernews.com...
Mike
download the forms online and send a $30 check to the Library of
Congress. It's not foolproof but at least you've got an official date
of origin. Sure, you would have to sue the comic if he/she did many of
your bits but it won't protect you from them "sampling" a few. They
could do your stuff for months or years before you even discovered it.
If you are possitive that they are stealing your stuff, spread the
word. Thats a rep I wouldn't want, thats for sure. -Mike
Heatplate(Linda)
"Bill OReally" <billo...@aol.com> wrote
> Bill O'Really (All alone, but great minds usually are)
Well, fuck me, I actually agree with all you said. Bravo!
Bill OReally
Heatplate wrote:
>Well, fuck me, I actually agree with all you said. Bravo!
Are you sure you're okay?
Bill O'Really (Concerned)
Bill OReally
The incredible Boris wrote:
>But instead of concentrating on who to
>hate for your comedy shortcomings and career advancements, you should
>concentrate on YOU.
Well Boris you assume I have short comings, but I really don't.
I just don't rely on shiny objects, and pretend to control peoples minds, for a
living.
>It's not my fault as a hypnotist for being booked -
>obviously the work has been acquired by merit.
No, it's not. I blame the bookers, go back and read what I said.
>There are ground breaking and
>original acts no matter what medium.
True.
My point was, that bookers aren't necessarily interested in booking a ground
breaking original act.
They like the safe acts.
>YOU should be that front-runner.Find a
>voice and a platform, then entertain to the fullest.
Boris, I'm totally cutting edge, and considered a unique character on stage,
with fresh well written bits.
>You call someone you saw on TV hack, just because they did a line similar to
>the one you have heard before.
Yep. DAMN STRAIGHT.
He did a Bill Hicks bit, almost verbatim.
I know it, and he knows it.
>By the time you see that TV appearance, the
>material gets approved, scrutinized, edited and re-hashed over and over
>again.
No Boris, have agent will travel.
He pushed his client in.
>The many people involved, saw a fresh voice delivering an old subject
>matter.
To those who know not better, yes.
For us that do know, know that he lifted a bit from a deceist comic. Shame on
him.
>I will not stand on the side of theft
Then stop defending this motherfucker.
You know not knowing you, it's hard to judge your act.
However I've seen hypnotists, such as Frank Santos, and Sandman, which I think
are full of shit, and full of themselves.
I know how they pull their act off they immediately disqualify people they
think won't cooperate with them.
The people that stay on stage are merely wanting to play along with the act.
Real Hypnotist will tell you that it's very difficult to hypnotize someone in a
club with a lot of distractions.
But my beef is not with you Svengali types.
I just wish club bookers wouldn't book you guys. That's all.
My frustration is not with my career, it's with the industry turning a blind
eye to hacks, letting them on t.v. Get it, YOU.
Bill O'Really (Setting it straight)
LeifSkyving
>Date: 6/12/03 9:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20030612124041...@mb-m23.aol.com>
No Bill you are not alone.
Leif Skyving
http://www.funnyswede.com
GetRichQuick712
<jo...@bellsouth.net> writes:
>maybe Hackett is
>experienced enough to know that being a comic is not just about being an
>original writer all the time. Maybe the guy is just being realistic.
Ok, i can understand that. I mean, I remember I saw star search once and loved
the material of this lady, but loved the next guy's stage presence and
delivery. I wound up voting for the guy....
And there's this absolutely hilarious bit that I will never forget. The bit
itself is not the funniest thing in the world when reading it off a piece of
paper, but the way the comic delivered it, the tone of voice, the body
language, the persona...it just made it unforgetable!
But still, Rogan was professional and calm when saying his piece, but Hacket
just cursed him out :(
GetRichQuick712
(MARK KNOPE) writes:
>>> There's one line in a bit of mine that I heard someone else do almost
>>> exactly like mine in an open mic last week. I wrote it about a month ago.
>>> I'm sure it's been done before (what hasn't) but my question lies with,
>>> should I drop it from my act completely or what?
>>
>>When you see the guy (or gal) just go up to them and talk it out.
>
>In a perfect, rational world...that would probably work.
>
>However, SOME people just never listen...and it would depend on how much of a
>conscience that person had...and how much intergrity they possessed.
Doesn't it depend? I mean, did you hear someone like Bill Cosby doing it? I
mean, not really him, but someone who's totally popular and too well known? If
so, then drop it, cuz there's a high chance that people will hear it from him
because he's well known and plays to many people.
But if it's just another comic out there...what is the chance that one person
out in the whole country is gonna hear you both doing the same bit? And even
if they do, they will hear it from the first guy, and then hear it from you who
knows when. They may remember, oh i heard that....but hell they wont' know
where or when and if it makes them laugh.....who cares???
GetRichQuick712
"Comedywood" <in...@comedywood.comedy> writes:
>
>I am saying that every medium has its share of hacks and originals...search
>through the bin and you will find a gem that sparkles.
Very true. I dont know any hack hypnotists...but I know of a thieving
hypnotist!!
There's always a few bad apples!
GetRichQuick712
(Bill OReally) writes:
>Bookers Idea of edgy, is a comic with a shaved head getting a pussy joke over
>on a female audience. WOW!
Hehehe.....can't help it....he flashed through my head
Spanky!!
I love that website!!
GetRichQuick712
bald...@aol.comfuckspam (BillKirch) writes:
>>.what ever happened between u two?
>
>#############
>Never met the man. Don't care to. why don't you try actually spelling out the
>word. YOU. What are you his lawyer? BG
Not his lawyer....but it's pretty unprofessional of you to come around saying
he's a theif and no good, with absolutely no proof. No evidence, no examples,
nothing! And even if it were true....talk to him and deal with it.
What are you....five years old? Gotta come and try to mess up his reputation
and make him out as a no good theif?
GetRichQuick712
(Mark Saltveit) writes:
>I wrote:
>
>> >When you see the guy (or gal) just go up to them and talk it out.
>
>And mkn...@aol.comZAP (MARK KNOPE) wrote in message
>news:<20030611212633...@mb-m10.aol.com>...
>
>> In a perfect, rational world...that would probably work.
That quoting style looks very unique and familiar Mr. Mark....You wouldn't
happen to the same mark in aol.newsgroups.help , would u?
GetRichQuick712
>I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they are plenty of hard working
>comics,
>that write original, and are funny.
I always find the ad-libs as the funniest things. The press videos of comics
with their sets are kool, and that is what is used to hire them, but when they
get into the place and work the audience, and are quick on their feet and have
a good wit and all of that...that's what gets them brought back
Hello! I Am Chafey Narquois Barbeau!
bloody hell, can a pro-Bush idiot, who can't even bloody spell
"regards", be "cutting edge" anything!? Puh-Lease!! Give me a fucking
break.
I guess you think Rush Limbaugh's "humor",
is "cutting edge", too!? Just like those goober boobs, "The Politically
Innocuous Comic" and "kdm"....who also, grace these hallowed halls
of the ACS with their dim-bulbed
ultra-right-wing "intellect".
I mean, really, O'Really, I've seen nothing from you to indicate
anything remotely "cutting edge" and I think you are quite dim and not
even mildly funny or, even, remotely clever. And I, certainly, haven't
seen much "originality" in you, at all. You even copped your "O'Really"
pun from another political writer. As was pointed out by some lady here,
already.
But, do tell more about your alleged "unique character" on stage. Does
it involve talking like a fucking dumb ass drunken goober boob racist
"Trent Lott Jr.", like you have here!?
Oh....And by the way....thanks for breaking
the "news" to us that those comedy hypnotists are just --*pretend*--
hyp-no-ti-zing. DOINK!!
I just never would of "thunk" it, before you so "wisely"
pointed-it-out....No-No!!
How could they do that, Billy Bob, how
could they fool all of those comedy
audiences with such untoward,
uncouth hypnoflimflammery....!?
So, what's your take on that whole "WWF wrestling" deal....!? Fake or
bloody what,
Billy Bob!?
Yours (Bloody!!) Truly,
Chafey
AKA: David
(c) 2003
MARK KNOPE
Bill OReally
Leif wrote:
>No Bill you are not alone.
>
>Leif Skyving
>http://www.funnyswede.com
>
Except on tax cuts(just kidding)
Thanks Leif.
Bill O'Really
Bill OReally
GetRichQuick712 wrote:
>>Bookers Idea of edgy, is a comic with a shaved head getting a pussy joke
>over
>>on a female audience. WOW!
>
>Hehehe.....can't help it....he flashed through my head
>
>Spanky!!
That's scary! He's exactly who I had in mind, when I wrote that.
Bill O'Really
Comedywood
I get to play perfomer, booker, sometimes agent, and pitchman so I hope I am
qualified to deliver a rebuttal to your statements wich come off as bitter.
No anger on my part, just defending the people you call hack without any
prior knowledge of them or their situation..............
"Bill OReally" <billo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030613012006...@mb-m23.aol.com...
> >Subject: Re: What the fuck is wrong with Buddy Hackett?
> >From: "Comedywood"
>
> The incredible Boris wrote:
>
> >But instead of concentrating on who to
> >hate for your comedy shortcomings and career advancements, you should
> >concentrate on YOU.
>
> Well Boris you assume I have short comings, but I really don't.
>
A little vane? I don't assume you have shortcomings....we ALL do....That's
what keeps us striving for more.
> I just don't rely on shiny objects, and pretend to control peoples minds,
for a
> living.
>
oddly enough - I DON'T control people....hypnosis is Perceived control...the
actual final control lies with the person involved, because they give up
control to the hypnotist. I can take credit for only a few things in my
show - I learnt HOW to hypnotize and the Story I tell on stage. I bothered
to research the subject more than the masses - that is what makes me unique.
The only thing about my show that is shiny is the attire. No pretense about
controlling people.
> >It's not my fault as a hypnotist for being booked -
> >obviously the work has been acquired by merit.
>
> No, it's not. I blame the bookers, go back and read what I said.
>
Blame will not get you anywhere. Instead of channeling your energies on
blame, my point is to channel it for your benefit.
Granted, the booker is not booking for YOU, but for the audiences that
frequent their rooms. They pay the bills and they try to give them the most
variety when it is time to make the choice to go out. It's about making a
living and if you don't fit in, you have to conform or look for alternate
venues to exhibit your craft. That is why you hear different medium
perfomers - guitar act, woman, relationship comic, hypnotist, straight
standup, comedy duo, sketch, etc. It is all about mass appeal - no matter
how brilliant your act is, if the masses don't GET you, you won't work.
> >There are ground breaking and
> >original acts no matter what medium.
>
> True.
>
> My point was, that bookers aren't necessarily interested in booking a
ground
> breaking original act.
>
> They like the safe acts.
>
On the contrary. Bookers ARE interested in ground breaking acts. But it has
to be polished enough for their audiences.
> >YOU should be that front-runner.Find a
> >voice and a platform, then entertain to the fullest.
>
> Boris, I'm totally cutting edge, and considered a unique character on
stage,
> with fresh well written bits.
>
Considered by whom? YOU? My point is (never having seen your act) is that
there is subject matter in your show that COULD be considered hack, but YOU
never realized it. Similar premises as someone else, etc. the only thing you
have is your voice - every word has been spoken on a stage - it's the way
you put them together and present them. Performers have signature bits or
routines....once the masses become familliar with them it gets considered
hack...what if you have MORE to say on the subject?
> >You call someone you saw on TV hack, just because they did a line similar
to
> >the one you have heard before.
>
> Yep. DAMN STRAIGHT.
>
see my previous comment
> He did a Bill Hicks bit, almost verbatim.
>
what if he wan't familliar with bill Hicks or his material...you think he
was stupid enough to do that on national TV? or maybe he just came up with
the words and the meaning on his own....give someone the benefit of the
doubt until you know they blatantly stole.
> I know it, and he knows it.
>
> >By the time you see that TV appearance, the
> >material gets approved, scrutinized, edited and re-hashed over and over
> >again.
>
> No Boris, have agent will travel.
>
likewise.....have many agents and suitcases.
> He pushed his client in.
>
> >The many people involved, saw a fresh voice delivering an old subject
> >matter.
>
> To those who know not better, yes.
>
> For us that do know, know that he lifted a bit from a deceist comic.
Shame on
> him.
>
> >I will not stand on the side of theft
>
> Then stop defending this motherfucker.
>
I don't even know who we are talking about...this is conceptual...just a
response to your rant.
> You know not knowing you, it's hard to judge your act.
>
> However I've seen hypnotists, such as Frank Santos, and Sandman, which I
think
> are full of shit, and full of themselves.
>
then don't lump me into the herd. Until you see what I can do treat ME with
respect. Until you know enough about the subject to make a qualified
opinion, it's best to keep quiet or someone will call you on your ignorance.
> I know how they pull their act off they immediately disqualify people they
> think won't cooperate with them.
>
> The people that stay on stage are merely wanting to play along with the
act.
>
it's a lot more than that - everyone experiences hypnosis daily, but never
calls it that. On stage there is only so much time to hypnotize (without
boring the audience) so the best candidates for it remain, while the rest
get dismissed. Just like your act - it may not be for everyone, thus you may
not be the target audience.
> Real Hypnotist will tell you that it's very difficult to hypnotize someone
in a
> club with a lot of distractions.
>
I am a real hypnotist and I will tell you that you can do it anywhere,
anyhow, with or without distraction. A skilled hypnotist can do it
anywhere....A willing participant makes it even easier.
> But my beef is not with you Svengali types.
>
> I just wish club bookers wouldn't book you guys. That's all.
>
Then deliver a show that is better than mine so I have to diversify more in
my quest for stages.
> My frustration is not with my career, it's with the industry turning a
blind
> eye to hacks, letting them on t.v. Get it, YOU.
>
thanks...just taped a tv show this week...
> Bill O'Really (Setting it straight)...................
>
>
messed up the straight line for you and turned it into a spiral.....Isn't it
beautiful? ,-)
Tommy Joseph
> From: getrich...@aol.com (GetRichQuick712)
> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> Newsgroups: alt.comedy.standup
> Date: 13 Jun 2003 08:37:41 GMT
> Subject: Re: What the fuck is wrong with Buddy Hackett?
>
Well, it's true I didn't see it and may never see even one installment
of this show. I don't know. But I do know it's TV. Not saying it's
inflexibly scripted, but it is TV and ............
tommy joe
Stuart O. Bronstein
> trai...@well.com (Mark Saltveit) writes:
>
>>I wrote:
>>
>>> >When you see the guy (or gal) just go up to them and talk it
>>> >out.
>>
>>And mkn...@aol.comZAP (MARK KNOPE) wrote
>>
>
> That quoting style looks very unique and familiar Mr.
> Mark....You wouldn't happen to the same mark in
> aol.newsgroups.help , would u?
You're talking to two different Mark's. Are you referring to one in
particular?
As to quoting style, it is and has been usenet standard since before
you were born.
Stu
Bill OReally
>From: "Comedywood"
Boris wrote:
>No anger on my part
Me neither, just telling it like it is.
>A little vane? I don't assume you have shortcomings....we ALL do....That's
>what keeps us striving for more.
>
Being Vane
Maybe that is my one shortcoming.
>oddly enough - I DON'T control people....hypnosis is Perceived control...the
>actual final control lies with the person involved, because they give up
>control to the hypnotist.
I always thought that, you just said what I said, in a more elegant manner.
Hey If it means anything, it broke my heart when I found out the t.v. wrestling
was fake.
>No pretense about
>controlling people.
But wait! when someone goes and sees a hypnotist, what are they expecting?
A person who controls minds.
>Blame will not get you anywhere.
Blame is putting the finger on the problem.
>Granted, the booker is not booking for YOU
No, they are booking for themselves, they become lazy and complacent, they
don't want to work.
It's too easy to book the same comics periodically like they do.
>On the contrary. Bookers ARE interested in ground breaking acts.
see my previous comment
>Considered by whom? YOU? My point is (never having seen your act) is that
>there is subject matter in your show that COULD be considered hack, but YOU
>never realized it. Similar premises as someone else, etc. the only thing you
>have is your voice - every word
>once the masses become familliar with them it gets considered
>hack...
No! No! No!
You do another persons bit that is hack, regardless if the masses are familiar
with it.
A premise that is done to death is called STOCK.
Stick to your perceived mind control Boris.
You're obviously are clueless on this subject.
YOU not being a standup, are insensitive to the problem of lifting.
>what if he wan't familliar with bill Hicks or his material...you think he
>was stupid enough to do that on national TV?
Fuck yeah, it's done all the time.
>maybe he just came up with
>the words and the meaning on his own.
Well, in that case then, I'll go do some dirty nursery rhymes the next time I
perform.
>give someone the benefit of the
>doubt until you know they blatantly stole.
Look Boris, I know the bit.
I'll put everthing on the line he blatantly stoled it.
>treat ME with
>respect. Until you know enough about the subject to make a qualified
>opinion,
Well, I know what I'm talking about, but if you're inferring to the subject of
Hypnosis, then I say this.
After enduring more than my fair share of Hypnotist, I can only share what i've
observed.
People willing to bark like a dog, cluck like a chicken, and hump a blow up
fuck doll on stage is cheap entertainment,
Yes! people like it, just like they like Jerry Springer, and Monster truck
shows.
With All due respect to you, I've never seen your act but of all the Hypnotist
I've seen, and it's several, have all done variations, of what i said above.
I'm sure you are the best at what you do, giving you the benefit of the doubt.
> it's best to keep quiet or someone will call you on your ignorance.
Likewise.
>A willing participant makes it even easier.
See, that's the whole key isn't it.
>Then deliver a show that is better than mine so I have to diversify more in
>my quest for stages.
Well 1st Boris, I don't rely on clubs, in middle America.
2nd, I don't consider Hypnosis, to be in the same league as good standup
comedy.
You guys are just another thing we have to contend with, like karaoke.
Bill O'Really
Comedywood
together...people come to the club for one reason and they happen to return
to see another comic/hypnotist or do karaoke.
We are all in the medium of making people laugh as comedic performers. And
you are wrong to say that I am not a comedian....I am, just my medium of
achieving the results are with people and their reactions.
You are seeing glorified bar acts that are hypnotists....I am talking about
a theatre performer - where the bars were on my climb up instead of being
the only venue I can work. I don't use blow up dolls, have people humping
chairs....and enjoy a complement of a patron walking out saying that that's
what they expected, but were impressed that I was able to deliver without
stooping to the lowest common denominator.
Just like a comedian, delivering elaborate stories that make people laugh or
going for the easy dick joke. I am not talking about innuendo - just a
masterful presentation that elicits uncontrollable laughter. When your words
touch a sensitive note, when someone in the adience comes back with "that is
so true" or "I did that yesterday". The power in your presentation is your
edge.
The comic doing a hicks bit....nothing new....just like a coming doing a
Hedberg bit, Jerry Lewis, a Bill Cosby impression...someone like you will
alsways call them on it....Parallel though is a possibility - I am just
saying that the same result could have been achieved by 2 different people.
Originals always stand out....Hacks rarely get rewarded. I just think that
too much energy is being spent on policing and not enough on creating. The
original part of this was me agreeing with Buddy Hackett - every line is
YOURS, so you better be able to stand behind the words that come out of your
mouth and your actions on and off stage.
Also, Hack and Stock are interchangeable. In your mind hack is a thief and
stock is a commonly used premise. When does hack become stock? variations of
similar lines that were original at one point....I don't help you flip
burgers....to I don't tell you how to cure the blind or walk on water. That
is my point...'been done before in a different voice at a different
time...the only thing you have to hang onto is who said it and how.
Word-for-word delivery of an album is an impression and should be delivered
as a tribute. As someone who has seen different performers deliver similar
premices I just say that more than one person has thought of what you are
about to say. Not defending, just trying to show you the other side Luke.
BORIS
http://www.comedywood.com/b-index.html
ps. vain - i can't spell it either, maybe when I get it I will
"Bill OReally" <billo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Hello! I Am Chafey Narquois Barbeau!
slack-ass-hack you are, Billy Bob.
People need to be monitoring your purported "live act" for blatant
thievery. Everyone knows, you just got done reading my comments about
"wrestling". Shit. What a pussy ass loser, you are. Pa-the-tic!!
Hello! I Am Chafey Narquois Barbeau!
go out of your bloody ways to seemingly defend "hacky-leanings".
I seem to constantly see the both of you post about things with the same
line of thinking to, "nothing is 'totally' original blah blah"
"parallel thinking blah blah"....It makes me very suspicious when
certain people are always justifying such things, as "natural"....You
guys kinda remind me of....like....Jackie Gleason and Henny Youngman, if
you ask me.
Sure, some of the lifting of lines and whatnot
may be "accidental" or something that becomes amazingly common like a
"Yeah, BABY!!" kinda deal....But, even so, you two, Leify and Tommy,
seem all-too-willing to, at least, semi-defend and/or bloody-hell excuse
(in certain ways) hackery/thievery, (in my not so humble opinion).
I think, by constantly, defending these shady areas of
"hackery/thievery", I BELIEVE it
is a way for you two, to try to somehow pre-emptively downplay anything
that
you or Tommy Joey, may lift from another person....quote "by accident"
unquote....I think that's why Tommy, for instance, "claims" he hardly
ever watches other comics or
even many movies or TV shows.
I think he's lying about that.
Laura
>>what keeps us striving for more.
>>
>
>Being Vane
>Maybe that is my one shortcoming.
Doesn't that being a shortcoming depend upon which direction you're pointing
and how the viewer sees it?
Laura
Keep your hands and arms inside at all times until the ride has come to a
complete stop.
GetRichQuick712
(Bill OReally) writes:
>However I've seen hypnotists, such as Frank Santos, and Sandman, which I
>think
>are full of shit, and full of themselves.
EEEwwww....stay away from Frank Santos...yuck!!
For that matter....stay further away from Dan Larosa....TRIPLE yuck!
GetRichQuick712
>>But instead of concentrating on who to
>>hate for your comedy shortcomings and career advancements, you should
>>concentrate on YOU.
>
>Well Boris you assume I have short comings, but I really don't.
>
>I just don't rely on shiny objects, and pretend to control peoples minds, for
>a
>living.
Now now....you boyz play nice!
steve
>You do another persons bit that is hack, regardless if the masses are familiar
>with it.
>
>A premise that is done to death is called STOCK.
As I understand the terminology, doing someone else's bit is stealing,
theiving or hacking.
A topic that has been beaten into the ground is hack.
Stock is a joke that you pull out for a standard (stock) response to a
stimulus, i.e.: "Late? Can I get you something....like a fucking watch!?!?"
If you did someone's bit with a very original twist to it, and they were not
well known, you would not be hack to that audience, and the material would not
be hack, but it would be hacked and you would be hacking that comic's material.
>Stick to your perceived mind control Boris.
>You're obviously are clueless on this subject.
It could be a difference in slang/terminology based on the comics in his
locale, as well - no reason to be condescending.
But you keep stickin' it to the man. Your post about the guy hacking Hicks
was pretty good. Add my name to the list what liked it fine.
steve gelder
http://www.stevegelder.com
The FAQ for alt.comedy.standup is currently located at:
http://members.aol.com/comedyfaq/faq.html
Bill OReally
Gelder wrote:
>But you keep stickin' it to the man. Your post about the guy hacking Hicks
>was pretty good. Add my name to the list what liked it fine.
Now, your fucking with me, aren't you?
What's the deal? You've confused me.
Bill O'Really (you agreed with me?)
Bill OReally
Boris wrote:
>too much energy is being spent on policing
Negative, Lifting should be stopped dead cold. It is the responsibility of the
accuser to have some facts on hand.
But one should never hesitate to call someone on it.
> The
>original part of this was me agreeing with Buddy Hackett - every line is
>YOURS
Bull Fucking shit! If you didn't write it and you don't have permission to use
it, THEN DON'T DO THE THE BIT!
Not on stage, not on t.v.,not in a private gig, no where! Not in a house with
a mouse, not in train with a crain. Get it?
You don't paint the Mona Lisa hundreds of years later and then say it is yours.
Don't do someone elses bits, rather they're dead or alive.
Stop trying to rationalize it.
Just say Buddy Hackett was wrong, and be done with this exchange.
> In your mind hack is a thief and
>stock is a commonly used premise.
Goddamn right.
>When does hack become stock?
It doesn't.
> As someone who has seen different performers deliver similar
>premices I just say that more than one person has thought of what you are
>about to say. Not defending, just trying to show you the other side Luke.
Paralel thought? No.
Stock lines, like heckler lines, such as "I don't go to your job and knock the
dicks out your mouth."
Stock material, are premises commonly used. i.e...contrasting men and women.
Some comics go as far, as to say some premises are hack.
To me no comic owns a premise, so if comic A does a Croc hunter bit, comic B
may have one too.
They may be completely different.
I believe bits such as that, to be stocky, but not hack.
However when someone is, tell them they're a Hack. Again stop rationalizing
it.
It's a big problem in standup, and people wonder why it's in the mess it's in.
Bill O'Really
steve
>Gelder wrote:
>>But you keep stickin' it to the man. Your post about the guy hacking Hicks
>>was pretty good. Add my name to the list what liked it fine.
>
>Now, your fucking with me, aren't you?
>What's the deal? You've confused me.
>
>Bill O'Really (you agreed with me?)
Well, duh. Even a blind pig finds a truffle from time to time.
Thievery is bad in most forms, but especially comedy. You get into it to
make people laugh with your thoughts, and somewhere along the line that gets so
distorted you start lifting bits just to get any laugh? That's messed up.
Kinetic
"Mike McCarthy" <thecomedy...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:363f4a03.03061...@posting.google.com...
> Just watched a tape of last comic standing and Joe Rogan called a guy
> on an old line, and Buddy Hackett defended the guy using it. I thought
> Joey did it in a non malicious manner and he said comedy is not
> kareoke(sp?) and he's right. If you are doing a line or a joke that
> has been done before, and someone points it out the honorable thing to
> do is to drop it. No one accused this guy of stealing the joke, it
> just was done before in a movie. What the fuck is wrong with Buddy
> Hackett? Monique defended the guy as well but she doesn't do stand up
> and therefore can be excused for her ignorance, I guess. But Buddy
> Hackett has been doing this his whole life, and for what stand up has
> done for him he should be the first one to help maintain it's
> integrity. Shame on you!
I think Hackett is from the generation that felt it was ok to "borrow"
a
good line if it made the audience laugh. FWIW, I agreed with Rogan
too. I
actually felt he would have made a better host than Jay.
~ Jamie West
Comedywood
parallel thought.
If someone is doing someone else's act word for word....then they should be
called on it, but parallel thought is ok (no theft involved). Know the
facts....until you talk to the comic at hand and know all the facts...don's
assume they stole the premise.
b.
"Bill OReally" <billo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030613195549...@mb-m14.aol.com...
Charles Nemo
any success at all!
Charles Nemo
http://members.aol.com/ChasNemo/index.html
"Nemo is the Wal-Mart of the dark side, the one-stop superstore for everything
ugly, from Satanism to Nazi occultism to serial killers."
~Forbidden Internet Magazine #1 (May 2001)
Tommy Joseph
> I think, by constantly, defending these shady areas of
> "hackery/thievery", I BELIEVE it
> is a way for you two, to try to somehow pre-emptively downplay anything
> that
> you or Tommy Joey, may lift from another person....quote "by accident"
> unquote....I think that's why Tommy, for instance, "claims" he hardly
> ever watches other comics or
> even many movies or TV shows.
> I think he's lying about that.
>
>
> Yours (Bloody!!) Truly,
> Chafey
> AKA: David
> (c) 2003
Think what you want about me, Chafey, but rest assured, one thing I don't
do ever is lie. I say I hardly ever watch TV or the movies (any more), I'm
telling the truth. I can say this once or I can say it a thousand times and
what difference will it make to you in the end? As for lifting other
people's lines and bits, I do not approve and have said so. I also believe
some people are surely more original than others. If you'd slow down and
actually read some of what I've said in regards to this topic you might not
be so quick to argue, unless of course that is your goal from the start. A
really good writer who is also good at delivering his lines is my favorite
type of comic, especially if he's very honest and brings his unique lunacy
to the stage in a natural way. This is a rarity. Most comics are usually
either good at the writing aspect or the performing aspect, not equally
adept at both (in my view). Some of the older comics were not so much
writers as performers, which is not to say that none of them could write.
Today you see many writers going up on stage and their stage presence quite
frankly sucks. A good singer is asked to sing the songs of other people. A
good deliverer of jokes or stories is often asked to deliver the material of
other people. Songs are copyrighted, I believe. I'm not into the legal
shit. But, you write a song and copyright it, it's pretty obvious who wrote
it. Such is not the case with jokes. We see guys coming into this
newsgroup saying they see a comic doing someone else's material, and when
they say this they are probably correct, but they could be wrong when they
try to say for sure just exactly whose material it was originally. Just
because they saw SOMEONE do it first doesn't mean that SOMEONE is the one
who originated the bit. I'm not defending joke stealing or stealing of any
sort and I don't think Leif is either, although that's for him to say, if he
chooses to even respond to your ridiculous comments. You are the opposite
of a joke thief. A joke theif takes the words out of someone's mouth, while
your forte seems to be putting words into other people's mouths.
Tommy Joe
Ted Kennedy
> If you are possitive that they are stealing your stuff, spread the
word. Thats a rep I wouldn't want, thats for sure. -Mike
That didn't seem to hurt Robin Williams pocketbook now did it?
GetRichQuick712
<firstname...@sympatico.ca> writes:
>I think Hackett is from the generation that felt it was ok to "borrow"
>a
>good line if it made the audience laugh. FWIW, I agreed with Rogan
>too. I
>actually felt he would have made a better host than Jay.
Yea and he's got the experience too! I loved him on newsradio.....
He was kool on fear factor but not funny or nothing. I didn't realize he was a
stand up comic until I found his press video. The guy is hilarious.....
GetRichQuick712
(Bill OReally) writes:
>>Hehehe.....can't help it....he flashed through my head
>>
>>Spanky!!
>
>That's scary! He's exactly who I had in mind, when I wrote that.
Hahahaha! NO WAY! Wait which spanky? I know there's a spanky on this
NG....i'm not talking about him..I dont think?
I meant Spanky from www.menaresluts.com
GetRichQuick712
Bronstein" <s...@lexregia.com> writes:
>
>You're talking to two different Mark's. Are you referring to one in
>particular?
Yes, sorry, I meant the question to Mark Saltveit
>As to quoting style, it is and has been usenet standard since before
>you were born.
No, I mean the fact that he wrote the person's name above the quote and then
double space and wrote the other one's name before quoting his piece.
Most quoting you within quoting (confusing, huh?) is just left and denoted by
double ">>" or ">>>" and that is what is used to show the level of the quote.
You usually don't see people seperating it out and giving names for each bit.
I've seen it only once before and it was from a guy named Mark....just curious
to see if it may be the same guy...
GetRichQuick712
(MARK KNOPE) writes:
>>That quoting style looks very unique and familiar Mr. Mark....You wouldn't
>>happen to the same mark in aol.newsgroups.help , would u?
>>
>
>Huh?
>
> MK
> http://www.knope.com
>
Sorry the question was for Mark Saltveit....I guess I confused everyone :(
Stuart O. Bronstein
> "Stuart O. Bronstein" <s...@lexregia.com> writes:
>>
>>You're talking to two different Mark's. Are you referring to
>>one in particular?
>
> Yes, sorry, I meant the question to Mark Saltveit
>
>>As to quoting style, it is and has been usenet standard since
>>before you were born.
>
> No, I mean the fact that he wrote the person's name above the
> quote and then double space and wrote the other one's name
> before quoting his piece.
Ok, I see. Usenet standard is to leave the names of prior posters
at the top, with the quoted texed all underneath.
> Most quoting you within quoting (confusing, huh?) is just left
> and denoted by double ">>" or ">>>" and that is what is used to
> show the level of the quote. You usually don't see people
> seperating it out and giving names for each bit. I've seen it
> only once before and it was from a guy named Mark....just
> curious to see if it may be the same guy...
I've generally seen that when someone is referring to two separate
posts but consolidating his response in one.
Stu
Dana Friedman
>>Hey, ever see Robin Wiliams do standup? He has been "borrowing" stuff
>>for years!
Yes, he has..and as someone pointed out about the
old school comics,whoever sold the bit best "won".
Then again, in today's world, not the "Take my wife. Please!"
days, more comedians speak from their own experience.
Most people aren't doing the one liners or the observational humor
as most of their act.
Rosie O' Donnell, when she was 17 or 18, would go into clubs and do Seinfeld's
act word for word. Somebody told her that she should find her own voice and
stop stealing. She did, and she was a good comedian. She spoke from her life
experience and made it funny. (It's also much harder to steal than Seinfeld's
act would be.)
In the 1980s, I didn't know Ellen DeGeneres was gay. When she did a five minute
bit about stalking a guy, I somehow didn't buy it. The stuff she did
for HBO two years ago seemed a lot more real (to me).
Dana
Bill OReally
Boriswood wrote:
>I don't condone theft...I just said that there is always a possibility of
>parallel thought.
I know and it's boring me to death.
>If someone is doing someone else's act word for word....then they should be
>called on it
You can always count on me to do it.
> but parallel thought is ok
Read the my last fucking reply Boris.
>Know the
>facts....until you talk to the comic at hand and know all the facts...don's
>assume they stole the premise.
1st. I know the facts
2nd. I don't have to talk to the comic, he was on t.v., if he was any person he
would publicly announce he lifted the bit, then go end his life.
3rd. I never assumed. Why are you assuming? You shouldn't assume, take your
own advice.
Has there been any inconsistencies in my accusations?
This wasn't about a stolen premise, He stole the whole bit.
I'll say it again, for you.
He lifted the bit from Bill Hicks.
There.
Why don't you go swing a watch in front of someones face. Help them out,
help'em quit smoking, or something.
Bill O'Really
Bill OReally
Gelder baby wrote:
> Thievery is bad in most forms, but especially comedy. You get into it to
>make people laugh with your thoughts, and somewhere along the line that gets
>so
>distorted you start lifting bits just to get any laugh? That's messed up.
Well apparently to Boris, he's very worried that someone will be labeled a
hack, when it was only paralel thought.
Pfft.
Most comics know when a bit has been lifted.
I must say I've never seen anyone get called a hack that didn't have it coming.
Not to say that it has never happened.
I say more comics get away with stealing, than have ever been ruined by being a
hack.
Bill O'Really
Bill OReally
GetRichQuick712 wrote:
>Hahahaha! NO WAY! Wait which spanky? I know there's a spanky on this
>NG....i'm not talking about him..I dont think?
>
>I meant Spanky from
Yeah, white bald guy from Dallas.
That's exactly who I'm talking about.
Bill O'Really
Comedywood
culprit of theft live with their own mistakes - they WILL get called on them
in person. I was talking hypothetically and not in reference to anyone
specific. Who died and made you the comedy police? Do you know every
published work? Can the comic in question rebut your statements?
Just trying to let you know that you are wasting your breath and should
concentrate on advancing YOUR career and not putting a stick in the spoke of
someone else's, without the benefit of the doubt, and them not being to
ANSWER your claims.
I am done on the subject. Intelligent word sparring is exciting and
productive, name calling is unnecessary and childish.
b
Bill OReally
Boris wrote:
>I couldn't care who stole what from whom....my point is simply let the
>culprit of theft live with their own mistakes - they WILL get called on them
>in person.
Well, if it makes you feel any better, yours is the prevailing attitude in
comedy, not mine.
The culprit rarely gets the satisfaction to confront the theif.
C'mon do you think they will do their bit in front of them?
>Who died and made you the comedy police?
No one did Boris, I just believe in comics, taking care of comics, just as a
plain ass professional courtesy.
Not just if he or she is your friend.
Not just if your famous, and have your own show on comedy central.
Just as a artist, watching out for the integrity, of the art.
whether, it's on Letterman, or in a trashy ass one nighter.
If a comic recognizes a bit, say in a club, and it's eriely to similar to
another comic.
They should investigate.
I don't think there is a comic out there that would not appreciate knowing that
the comic who worked with them in Tucson, three weeks ago, and is now in
Shreveport, and he heres a bit that some motherfucker is doing, and realizes
that is your bit.
He should atleast inform the comic that you are aware of this.
The club mgr. and booker should be notifed, also.
Whatever good that will do.
>Do you know every
>published work?
Hey Einstein, I know you want to appear to be the more intellectual of us two,
but let me let you in on something.
I would venture to say that about 98% of the standups out there, have no
published material.
And even if they did, it doesn't matter, very few have the time and resources
to pursue anything, plus the majority are like you they don't care.
>Can the comic in question rebut your statements?
Well if there 3,000 miles away probaly not.
But let me guess what he or she would say, "oh I never heard of Bill Hicks, it
must be paralel thought."
>Just trying to let you know that you are wasting your breath
Probably so, just speaking out, voicing my thought on a comedy newsgroup.
Imagine that!
The best part is getting lectured by a Hypnotist.
>and should
>concentrate on advancing YOUR career
You know, I'm going to put it on hold, and become the comedy police, you've
inspired me.
>and not putting a stick in the spoke of
>someone else's,
Oh yeah, like so many are ruined by being accused of lifting.
Robin Williams is doing fine.
>I am done on the subject. Intelligent word sparring is exciting and
>productive, name calling is unnecessary and childish.
First of all I appreciate having the last word on it.
I'm going to say this.
You are not a standup, you are a carnival side show, you have your stock lines,
and rely on willing participants, to perform,and provide the entertainment.
You are just a Jerry Springer, on the stage.
You do nothing!
Therefore, you have no appreciation, for the honest comics who write material,
as well as perform.
It is your attitude, and it is the prevailing attitude out there, that cheapens
standup comedy.
Your whole notion is, if I can take someones elses bit, and get on television,
first, then it is your bit.
Cause America will only know that bit as mine.
BAAAAAH!
Bill O'Really (You are now in New York, I am now in New York, You are now in
sing sing, I'm am now in sing sing.)
Comedywood
> >Subject: Re: What the fuck is wrong with Buddy Hackett?
>
lines,
> and rely on willing participants, to perform,and provide the
entertainment.
>
> You are just a Jerry Springer, on the stage.
>
> You do nothing!
>
> Therefore, you have no appreciation, for the honest comics who write
material,
> as well as perform.
>
> It is your attitude, and it is the prevailing attitude out there, that
cheapens
> standup comedy.
>
> Your whole notion is, if I can take someones elses bit, and get on
television,
> first, then it is your bit.
>
you would ever realize...My only point is that you crucify someone without
them being able to answer your accusations. I am simply standing up for some
poor shlub that can't defend themselves in here and giving them the benefit
of the doubt.
I, however, am in here and will call you on your words....I OWN a comedy
club and am much better versed in the art of comedy than you realize - being
on both ends of the spectrum. I have done comedy on stage, but found my
strength lies in being a COMEDY hypnotist. The attitude of complacency is
not prevalent out there - you just CHOOSE to see it in that light.
I do my own policing and tactfully suggest to up-and-comers about bits that
are common or are someone else's sig bits. I love comedy and comedians and
believe in people. I see your attitude as the side of bus that I dispise -
jaded and bitter....from headliners being too big to talk to / give the
youngsters the encouragement and confidence they deseve to cliques that
won't welcome an outsider just because they are different or below their
rank on the bill. Treat people like people, rather than pauns in your quest
for stardom. I am only going by what you type in here...I am sure we could
get along in person over a drink.
b.
Bill OReally
Boris wrote:
>I take that as a personal attack.
>I OWN a comedy club
I'm well aware of that.
>The attitude of complacency is
>not prevalent out there - you just CHOOSE to see it in that light.
>I see your attitude as the side of bus that I dispise -
>jaded and bitter.
>I am sure we could
>get along in person over a drink.
Boris, again I respectfully disagree with you about complacency.
Am I bitter? Let's just say I've seen more than one comic go to hypnosis
school, simply to try to earn more money on the road.
They didn't stay with it because it wasn't their passion, nor did they devote
the time required to perfect it.
I stand by my statements about Hack.
A subject i'm very emotional about.
I am not a fan of Hypnosis.
However, never seeing your act, I can not pass judgement on you.
I apologize for the statements I made in the previous posts, about you being a
Jerry Springer, and that you do nothing.
Bill O'Really
Comedywood
I have seen many people over the years go to "hypnotist school" to improve
their income and I also am not a fan of anything done badly. Jim Carey said
it best on Letterman - Immitation is the sincerest form of plagiarism. But
with some people they find their own voice, while others try to be like
someone else. No matter what they do on stage, the passion and persona
drives the material behind it.
I have been in the business long enough that others have tried to pul off my
material as theirs, but unable to deliver the same effect. My attitude is to
let them try all they like - I will write more. My hook (if you like on
stage) is a hypnotist that loses control. An agent told me once that they
could not book ME, because I lost control on stage. I took that as a
compliment, since I was able to fool a booker who was more familliar with
the business than I was then.
I understand your passion about ownership of material and stand behind it.
BORIS
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GetRichQuick712
(Bill OReally) writes:
>>I meant Spanky from
>
>Yeah, white bald guy from Dallas.
>
>That's exactly who I'm talking about.
>
>Bill O'Really
>
Wait...Dallas? No no no! Tha's not him. The one I meant is in NYC