Is Etta May a Hack?
Balinda
or performance art? Is a made a persona really stand up comedy?
Thanks Balinda
PsychicComedy
performance art?>>>
In Etta's case, standup.
Is a made a persona really stand up comedy?>>>>
Yes.
B
Bill OReally
>From: fillyp...@aol.com (Balinda)
wrote:
>Is a headliner that has done the same act year after year a stand up,
>or performance art?
Both, standup is a performance art.
>Is a made a persona really stand up comedy?
Yes it is, and if you had any idea, you'd know that a lot of standups are
nothing but a bunch of made up people on stage.
Etta May is not only a Headliner, but she is also considered a special event in
a lot of clubs.
What a nice provocative thread.
What a Bitch.
Bill O'Really
PJ DiSanti
Even if you do so in costume, I'm quite sure Etta May would be equally funny
without hers. It's her ability to perform that sells the act.
Some would contend, myself included, that guitars, puppets and props are not
standup comedy. I say they can be equally entertaining but don't fall into
what could be called standup.
If you are a performer and are unable to perform because there is the
potential that the thing/things that make your act viable could have been
lost, stolen or forgotten isn't standup.
PJ
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If the above content wasn't witty and brilliant in and of itself,
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Tommy Joseph
> Any time you go up onstage with nothing but you and a mic, it's standup.
> Even if you do so in costume, I'm quite sure Etta May would be equally funny
> without hers. It's her ability to perform that sells the act.
>
> Some would contend, myself included, that guitars, puppets and props are not
> standup comedy. I say they can be equally entertaining but don't fall into
> what could be called standup.
>
> If you are a performer and are unable to perform because there is the
> potential that the thing/things that make your act viable could have been
> lost, stolen or forgotten isn't standup.
>
> PJ
Now, hold on a minute, DiSanti! Suppose you're a standup without props
or costume, but you rely on facial expressions to get laughs. Then one day
you're walking down the street and a gas-line breaks and explodes into your
face, ripping it apart. Now, once you're out of the hospital you can take
your same old material up on stage, but maybe you can't present it as well
because you no longer have the same face. In fact, you have no face at all
- just a skull with skin grafted onto it. Are you saying that the face is a
prop? If that is the case, a voice is a prop too. You can lose your face
and you can also lose your voice. You're still the same funny person
inside, but it's not going to go over as well without your voice or your
face, which implies to me that the voice and the face are props, just as
much so as things that can be purchased and carried onto a stage.
Tommy Joe (A View From All Sides)
PsychicComedy
standup comedy. I say they can be equally entertaining but don't fall into
what could be called standup.>>>
So....Carlin wasn't a standup when he used props for the Hippy Dippy
Weatherman? Dennis Miller wasn't a standup when he used props? When Seagren
picks up his glass of scotch and refers to it, he stops being a standup? (Well,
assuming you ever categorized him AS a standup...) How about Lenny Bruce when
he used a hat for his impressions?
B
PsychicComedy
material every night, but dang, he twirled that friggin' rope.
Was Will Rogers a standup?
B
Ted Kennedy
> > Any time you go up onstage with nothing but you and a mic, it's standup.
> > Even if you do so in costume, I'm quite sure Etta May would be equally funny
> > without hers. It's her ability to perform that sells the act.
> >
It's quite simple. If you can make people laugh, you're a fucking
comedian. Case closed.
Caveat Lector
too much 151.
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ComedyShoez
are making people laugh, you are doing your job. I have worked with Etta May
and find her very funny.
Charlie
PJ DiSanti
comedian. Case closed."
I agree, I'm distinguishing between a standup act vs nonstandup.
"Is a headliner that has done the same act year after year a stand up,
or performance art? Is a made a persona really stand up comedy?"
The above was the question I was responding to, does it make Etta May a
hack, nope, is she standup, sure.
What would make her non-standup is if she brought a puppet or guitar or
other props onstage. Still comedians but not standup comics.
I make that distinction not to make it seem that one has more merit than the
other, if you make people laugh, hey more power to ya no matter what you do.
PJ
PS, many standup comics do the same bit's year after year does that make
them hack? not so long as it's still funny.
--
The Buffalo Theory as described by Cliff from 'Cheers'
"Well you see, Norm, it's like this...A herd of buffalo can only move as
fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest
and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection
is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the
whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the
slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills
brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells
first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain
cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.
And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers."
PJ DiSanti
Weatherman? "
Props? what a map and pointer? point is, he could get away with gesturing
like he had a map and pointer, you know, mime it? if he wanted to he could
have.(but who the fuck likes mimes?) Was Carlin traveling the country with a
Map and pointer? or was it just for his TV appearances?
What props did Miller use? a glass of scotch is not the center of Seagren's
comedic universe, in other words, that glass of scotch is not what's making
him funny, it may put a smile on his face but that's different.
Lenny Bruce? a hat for an impression? could he sell the impersonation
without the hat? Yes, of course, so is the hat a requirement for his act?
NO. For the bit, perhaps, but would his act survive without that bit, I'm
sure.
Just because it is used doesn't mean it has to be, and that's the
distinction. Could Carrot Top do his act without his props? Not likely. So I
wouldn't classify him as a standup act, he's a comedian and entertaining,
but not standup.
There is nothing wrong with not being a standup comic, Carrot top is still a
comedian. Anyone who gets onstage and gets a laugh is still a comedian. I'm
just making the separation between Standup vs. nonstandup.
Neither has more merit than the other, but the question was is Etta May's
act standup, and the classifications I've defined is how I distinguish that
fine point.
PJ
PsychicComedy
A vanload of props. Was he a standup then?
How about Will Rogers?
B
PsychicComedy
A typical artificial boundary, usually drawn by guys who can only do ONE
thing...stand behind a mic and talk. An utterly irrelevant way to stroke your
own ego and convince yourself of your comedic "purity".
B
PJ DiSanti
thing...stand behind a mic and talk. An utterly irrelevant way to stroke
your
own ego and convince yourself of your comedic "purity"."
Wow, do you bother reading everything I wrote on this subject? Here, I'll
quote myself...
"I make that distinction not to make it seem that one has more merit than
the
other, if you make people laugh, hey more power to ya no matter what you
do."
Oh, and there needs to be a distinction, why? because some people, as a
matter of preference, don't find prop comedy funny. Some think female
impersonators are really funny, some are, but does that make them standup
comics? no, comedienne entertainers perhaps, performance art for sure, but
standup no.
When I say Rich Little do you think standup comic or entertaining
impersonator? Why make the distinction? Preference, it let's fans know what
to expect when they buy a ticket, when people say a night of standup comedy
or an entertaining night of 1000 voices, there is a difference in
expectation right?
PJ
PS, it's stoke not stroke my ego, I know you have stroking on the brain.
dE
wrote:
Dave Little does a bit of both in his act I believe.
--
dana
"never lie to the dog"
Brad
>> I'm just making the separation between Standup vs. nonstandup.>>>
>>
i will take this deliniation, because I do it too. I do regular stand up for 40
minutes then I do a musical comedy thing.
it's still comedy but using the term stand up to mean I'm just talking with the
mic, doing bits.
Is it still a bit if I use a prop?
best
brad
http://www.streetjoke.com
http://www.billyfustertag.com
PsychicComedy
to expect when they buy a ticket, when people say a night of standup comedy
or an entertaining night of 1000 voices, there is a difference in expectation
right?>>>
Well, no. Actually, the clubs tend to call themselves "Comedy Clubs", and leave
it at that.
When people call for tickets and ask, "What's the show like this week?" I don't
think I've EVER heard the club say "Well, this week it's a standup comic
headlining with a funny magical entertainer in the middle, and an amusing
puppeteer as your host and MC."
The delineation is important only to you.
The question is: Why?
B
Prince Myachislav
What's the point of differentiating?
So what if someone uses an occasional prop, a music cue, or movement away from
the mic?
I remember years ago Emo used to pull out a trombone in the middle of his act,
assemble it, hold it, then dissasemble it and put it away all without breaking
stride in his act. Does that not make him a standup?
- MM
Johnroy3742
When people call for tickets and ask, "What's the show like this week?" I don't
think I've EVER heard the club say "Well, this week it's a standup comic
headlining with a funny magical entertainer in the middle, and an amusing
puppeteer as your host and MC."
The delineation is important only to you.
Wrong.
I have twice performed with non-standuppy acts (one a magician-comedian, and
one a guitar impressionist) and had people walk out and complain to the staff
about the show because it wasn't standup. A whole table walked on the
magician, came up to myself and the MC and said, "I watch comedy central all
the time...This isn't standup. You guys were great" Then they walked, right
as the magician did another joke-trick (jrick? troke?). People wanted their
money back from the guitar impressionist. Both of these incidents took place
at well regarded comedy clubs. And the staff says they now describe the act in
detail to prevent this kind of thing. It is a sad fact that there is no longer
a variety-vaudeville entertainment circuit, just as it is a sad fact that
regular stage magic at anything other than the ultimate level is limited to a
few cities in the U.S. The result is that any solo performer who needs only a
mic is limited to our venues if they want to perform, thus producing an endless
variety of hybrids.
But there IS a difference between hybrids and standup comedy, and an audience
expecting the latter sometimes is disappointed when they recieve the former and
register their unhappiness with their wallets and feet.
All that being said, I absolutely love Zak Galafinakis, Mike O 'Connell and
Henry Phillips, and I agree that P.J. DSanti's original point is absolutely
true - The distinction is by no means one of quality, just form. A comedian is
a comedian, but standup is a distinct category of that art. And who knows,
that audience may have been more pissed that the magicomedian and
guitarssionist were crappy, not that they weren't standups.
Coach Slappey
Standup, stand-up: Theatrical performance, esp. of a comedian
performed without costume, stage props, or assisting performers.
She's a comedian. She's an actor.
She ain't a hack, but she ain't a stand-up either.
Good writer, good performer, very cool person, too.
dE
>Psychic comedy writes:
>
>When people call for tickets and ask, "What's the show like this week?" I don't
>think I've EVER heard the club say "Well, this week it's a standup comic
>headlining with a funny magical entertainer in the middle, and an amusing
>puppeteer as your host and MC."
>
>The delineation is important only to you.
>
>Wrong.
>
>I have twice performed with non-standuppy acts (one a magician-comedian, and
>one a guitar impressionist) and had people walk out and complain to the staff
>about the show because it wasn't standup. A whole table walked on the
>magician, came up to myself and the MC and said, "I watch comedy central all
>the time...This isn't standup. You guys were great" Then they walked, right
>as the magician did another joke-trick (jrick? troke?).
Apparently these people never tuned in Comedy Central when they
featured either Penn & Teller or The Amazing Johnathan.
(A.J. being the stronger of the two examples)
>People wanted their money back from the guitar impressionist.
What the hell is a guitar impressionist? I've seen one guy do a
Chinese guitar player covering "Ahh Jimi ahh Hendix ahh music aaah"
..something like that?
What about Bob Nelson? ("Jiffy Jeff's Gym", etc.) Do you consider
him a prop act or a standup comedian?
>But there IS a difference between hybrids and standup comedy, and an audience
>expecting the latter sometimes is disappointed when they recieve the former and
>register their unhappiness with their wallets and feet.
Then fuck 'em. There's more fish in the sea.
>A comedian is a comedian, but standup is a distinct category of that art.
Did the guitar player sit down? That may have caused the confusion.
Rodney Carrington sits down sometimes.
>And who knows, that audience may have been more pissed that the magicomedian and
>guitarssionist were crappy, not that they weren't standups.
I have yet to see anyone in a crowd say "If we see a guitar come out,
we're outta here."
I have to side with Burke here and say that you're being an elitist in
this. Standup comedy embraces many forms in my opinion, and I'm sure
my opinion is shared widely.
Ted Kennedy
Yes indeed. I've also worked with the great Etta May and she's one
class act, even though she acts like a hick on stage. I'd do her with
Psycho Comedy's dick.
dE
>Check your American Heritage Dictionary, boys.
Webster's is a tad more time-honored and makes no such distinction.
Main Entry: 1stand-up
Pronunciation: 'stan-"d&p
Function: adjective
Date: 1812
1 a : ERECT, UPRIGHT b : stiffened to stay upright without folding
over <a stand-up collar>
2 : performed in, performing in, or requiring a standing position <a
stand-up bar>; especially : of, relating to, performing, or being a
monologue of jokes, gags, or satirical comments delivered usually
while standing alone on a stage or in front of a camera <stand-up
comedy> <a stand-up comedian>
Caveat Lector
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PJ DiSanti
my opinion is shared widely. "
Ok so just because someone goes up on stage in front of a mic and makes
people laugh that means they are a standup comic?
Shit, what ever happened to the plate spinners that used to be on Ed
Sullivan every 3 weeks? And this week headlining at Zanies Chang the China
Spinner! The GOOD china too! 45 minutes of acrobatic plate spinning!!!!
Let's not forget the opening act, Bobo the wonderchimp, with his
unforgetable impersonation of George W Bush.
Your definition of standup comedy is very wide indeed.... just as the
newsgroups are segregated by alt.comedy.standup vs alt.comedy there are
subsets of everything and standup is a highly specialized form of comedy
that few can perform and fewer can master. To lessen it by opening the field
to include everyone as a standup comic is insulting.
Here's the breakdown...
Entertainers, everyone who goes on stage to entertain using comedy, music,
dance or acting talents.
Comedy, anything where you are onstage and making someone laugh, be it via
second city like troups, standup, musical, prop, etc etc....
A comedy troup couldn't be called standup because they perform as a group.
A prop comic couldn't be called a standup because without their props they
generally have no act.
"I have yet to see anyone in a crowd say "If we see a guitar come out, we're
outta here.""
Dana, you're a lipreader? and how often do you sit in comedy audiences to
know? I mean if you're also performing, do you just sit in the audience till
they call you onstage?
And dana, you can take your opinions and shove them up your ass to keep your
brain company, shit for brains. Because the only way your opinion is "shared
widely" is when you missed the bowl and spattered it onto the wall of the
truckstop toilet you last headlined.
dE
<p...@nopjdisantispam.cum> wrote:
>"Standup comedy embraces many forms in my opinion, and I'm sure
>my opinion is shared widely. "
>Ok so just because someone goes up on stage in front of a mic and makes
>people laugh that means they are a standup comic?
>
>Shit, what ever happened to the plate spinners that used to be on Ed
>Sullivan every 3 weeks?
Hey moron, those are juggling acts. The only time they were funny is
when one dropped a plate.
>Here's the breakdown...
Yeah I think we can all see your breakdown.
>A prop comic couldn't be called a standup because without their props they
>generally have no act.
Says who? Ghallager did quite a few jokes in his act without the
props. He used the props to illustrate a few ideas. If he had to do
an act without props I bet he could pull it off and kill. He's a
funny, twisted guy.
>"I have yet to see anyone in a crowd say "If we see a guitar come out, we're
>outta here.""
>
>Dana, you're a lipreader? and how often do you sit in comedy audiences to
>know?
Often enough.
You gonna say Dave Little isn't a standup comic because he uses a
guitar on occasion?
>And dana, you can take your opinions and shove them up your ass to keep your
>brain company, shit for brains.
And here we see in the absence of any real cohesive argument you
resort to the ad hominem. #1 that makes you a shitty debater. #2 it
means I win this round by default. #3 it reminds me why I had your
idiotic ass killfiled for 2 years, and why you're going back as soon
as I hit send.
>Because the only way your opinion is "shared
>widely" is when you missed the bowl and spattered it onto the wall of the
>truckstop toilet you last headlined.
Google search for PJ DiSanti comedy comes up with a big fat zero.
Oh and dumbfuck... learn how to follow USENET conventions with proper
attributes, and lose the LAME 2 paragraph sig. (Not that it will
matter to me in about 30 seconds) You're more stupid than Cliff
Claven, who should know alcohol doesn't kill brain cells, it merely
puts them to sleep a while.
Caveat Lector
doing their thing when a women seated next to me. She was about 50 and
looked like she just got off her secretarial job. Anyway, an old fuckhead
gets on stage and recites every, and I mean every joke Foxworthy has ever
done. The stupid, drunken, buck toothed, pee stinking, trailer dwellen,
knock-kneed, elfish, bug-eyed, cow fuckin, truck driven, bud drinkin, camel
smokin, knuckledraggin, inbreedin, shrimp dicked, hypocritical audience goes
completely insane. The women next to me said "he's really good isn't he?"
I said "for a hack" So then, guess who's next on stage, the cunt next to
me, she gets on stage and does that old, old fucking bit about women sitting
on airline toilet seats that's been around since the late 60's.
Unfortunately, these people could make a good living off pure hack...new
generations might even think this shit is original. Standup Comedy is not
necessarily either. Is it any wonder we we are so cynical?
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Prince Myachislav
>Ok so just because someone goes up on stage in front of a mic and makes
>people laugh that means they are a standup comic?
No, but just because they add another dimension to the spoken word doesn't mean
they're not.
> To lessen it by opening the field
>to include everyone as a standup comic is insulting.
No more insulting than someone who hasn't been in the business very long
telling those who have been how the business is structured.
>A comedy troup couldn't be called standup because they perform as a group.
Tell that to the Sklar Brothers, O'Brien and Valdez, The Untamed Shrews, etc.
>A prop comic couldn't be called a standup because without their props they
>generally have no act.
Some do, some don't. I would submit our own Mac McClellan on this NG who works
either as a straight monologist, or with music, or with props, or any
combination thereof.
And you slam Dana for saying
>"I have yet to see anyone in a crowd say "If we see a guitar come out, we're
>outta here."
Gotta go with Dana on this. The mere presence of something other than a mic
and a human is not likely to drive audience members into the street. They
might later say, "this guitar guy isn't funny, I'm outta here", "that
ventriloquist isn't very good, check please"
If you want to feel superior because you use only the spoken word, fine. And
yes, that's exacty what you mean when say above " To lessen it by opening the
field to include everyone as a standup comic is insulting"
- Matusof
(almost never responds to a post in this much detail)
PJ DiSanti
Again people putting words in my mouth, I never said that I feel superior or
that any standup should compared to a prop or any other comic, I'm just
saying they are different arts and should be distinguished as such.
No less merit...
Jesus Christ I hate having to fucking retype what I've typed a dozen fucking
times because people are too lazy, stupid or weak memoried to read and
retain my previous posts in the same fucking thread.
I'll quote myself again for the mentally deficient...
"I make that distinction not to make it seem that one has more merit than
the
other, if you make people laugh, hey more power to ya no matter what you
do."
Where the fuck do you get that I'm saying anything is superior to anything
else considering the above was posted yesterday!
I'm done with this thread because it's pointless because for whatever
reasons what I'm trying to communicate just isn't getting through. Oh yeah,
people just like to argue.
And as far as my attack on Dana, I glad to be on his killfile list cause
he's a jackoff, it was my intent when I directed that shit at him.
PJ
It's not the size of your killfile but who's in it that matters.
Tommy Joseph
> From: "Caveat Lector" <caveat...@hotmail.com>
> Organization: Is for people with organs
> Reply-To: "Caveat Lector" <caveat...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comedy.standup
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:40:49 GMT
> Subject: Re: Is Etta May a Hack?
>
> Or maybe your a black comedian and you light your crack pipe with a little
> too much 151.
I've done some drinking in my time but I've never tried 'Everclear',
which they sell at the ABC stores around here. It's close to a hundred
percent alcohol. They even warn you on the bottle not to drink it straight.
Anyway, what does this have to do with using props? Nothing.
In my opinion everything is a prop, including the body of the person
standing on stage. I'm assuming (perhaps incorrectly), that the word 'prop'
comes from 'prop up', meaning 'to support or sustain'. I guess this implies
that a person who uses 'props' is propping up his act with something other
than himself. Still, the props aren't doing the work. They don't hit the
stage on their own. I think the discussion is truly ridiculous. If someone
gets laughs they are a comedian, plain and simple, and it doesn't matter if
they use props or not. I don't think some of these 'comics' realize how
jealous they sound when they square off against each other in matters such
as this, trying to oust others on technicalities such as, "Sure, he's funny
and he gets laughs, but he uses props and THAT'S UFAIR!" I've heard a lot
griping in here that not enough discussions concern comedy, as if that alone
is enough to make the discussion meaningful. Discussing from now until the
end of time whether or not someone is a comic based on whether or not they
use props is not going to lead anywhere and most of you probably already
know that. But, by all means have fun disucssing it. It's like soooooooo
on topic!
Tommy Joe
Tommy Joseph
> From: ted_k...@drunkenbastards.com (Ted Kennedy)
> It's quite simple. If you can make people laugh, you're a fucking
> comedian. Case closed.
True, but it's soooooooo unfair to use props. Of course, now that I
think of it, some people might say that clothing is a prop of sorts. Some
guy might wear an article of clothing that is in essence a prop, an
attention getter of sorts. So, for standup to be truly fair (and let's face
it, standup IS competitive), everyone should be forced to perform in the
nude. Also, a particular hair style can be a prop as well, as much so as a
wig, if it garners undue attention. What difference does it make if the
attention-grabbing hair style is a wig or real hair, it's still a prop.
Thus, everyone competing in the standup arena must have their heads shaven.
Everyone must be bald-headed and nude. Now of course some guys will have
outrageously small dicks, or gigantic ones, both of which could garner undue
attention. Thus, all standups must have their genitalia surgically removed,
or at least covered by loin cloths consisting of the same color and material
for all comics. We cannot tolerate unfair advantages brought on by the use
of props. I believe rules should be made determining what is and what is
not a standup comic and anyone not following the rules will not be allowed
to 'compete' as a standup. They might make people laugh, might even make
money in the process, but if they refuse to perform with their heads shaved
and in the nude they will not earn the right to be called 'standup comics'.
Boo hoooo hooooo!
Tommy Joe
Tommy Joseph
> From: comed...@aol.com (ComedyShoez)
> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> Newsgroups: alt.comedy.standup
> Date: 13 Jan 2004 18:20:48 GMT
> Subject: Re: Is Etta May a Hack?
>
Just my opinion, but I don't think anyone really thinks it matters.
They pretend it matters because they are jealous when other people get the
attention. When the props start telling the comic what to do, only at that
time I would say the props deserve more credit than the comic.
Tommy Joe (My Hat Made Me Do It)
Caveat Lector
and Chafey imagines Nemo's strap-on as Ron Jeremy are they cheating the
audience?
Semper 'your cheatin heart' Fi
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Tommy Joseph
> From: johnr...@aol.com (Johnroy3742)
> Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
> Newsgroups: alt.comedy.standup
> Date: 14 Jan 2004 01:27:33 GMT
> Subject: Re: Is Etta May a Hack?
> And who knows,
> that audience may have been more pissed that the magicomedian and
> guitarssionist were crappy, not that they weren't standups.
Boy, I'm glad I read your post all the way to the end, because I was just
about to respond by saying the same thing you finished up with. If these
two acts had been outstanding it would be hard to imagine a bunch of people
complaining about them, no matter their label.
Tommy Joe
Tommy Joseph
> From: "Caveat Lector" <caveat...@hotmail.com>
> Organization: Is for people with organs
> Reply-To: "Caveat Lector" <caveat...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comedy.standup
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 03:33:31 GMT
> Subject: Re: Is Etta May a Hack?
>
> Your my favorite Kennedy.
Does this mean you don't like the dead Kennedys?
Tommy Joe
Tommy Joseph
>
> Dana, you're a lipreader? and how often do you sit in comedy audiences to
> know? I mean if you're also performing, do you just sit in the audience till
> they call you onstage?
> PJ
I understand what you're trying to say with this 'standup' versus 'non
standup' thing, but I think most people already know what a standup comic is
and also that there are thin lines that separate definitions of all things,
and also that this discussion is pretty much worthless. The only reason I'm
responding to you regards what you have to say in the portion of your post
that I have left intact, above. I don't think a standup comic or any
performer of any kind has any more an inside track in these discussions than
anyone else. I don't care if a guy has been doing standup every night for
fifty years, his opinion in a discussion such as this is no more valid than
that of anyone else.
Tommy Joe
LeifSkyving
Pronunciation: 'stan-"d&p
Function: adjective
Date: 1812
1 a : ERECT, UPRIGHT b : stiffened to stay upright without folding over <a
stand-up collar>
2 : performed in, performing in, or requiring a standing position <a stand-up
bar>; especially : of, relating to, performing, or being a monologue of jokes,
gags, or satirical comments delivered usually while standing alone on a stage
or in front of a camera <stand-up comedy> <a stand-up comedian>
Leif Skyving
world's funniest man
http://www.funnyswede.com
Tommy Joseph
> From: "Caveat Lector" <caveat...@hotmail.com>
> I was at an open mike about a month ago, the usual unprepared dorks were
> doing their thing when a women seated next to me. She was about 50 and
> looked like she just got off her secretarial job. Anyway, an old fuckhead
> gets on stage and recites every, and I mean every joke Foxworthy has ever
> done. The stupid, drunken, buck toothed, pee stinking, trailer dwellen,
> knock-kneed, elfish, bug-eyed, cow fuckin, truck driven, bud drinkin, camel
> smokin, knuckledraggin, inbreedin, shrimp dicked, hypocritical audience goes
> completely insane. The women next to me said "he's really good isn't he?"
> I said "for a hack" So then, guess who's next on stage, the cunt next to
> me, she gets on stage and does that old, old fucking bit about women sitting
> on airline toilet seats that's been around since the late 60's.
> Unfortunately, these people could make a good living off pure hack...new
> generations might even think this shit is original. Standup Comedy is not
> necessarily either. Is it any wonder we we are so cynical?
I aint no authority, but I'll bet comics have been bitching about the
lack of originality in their field as long as comedy's been around, and
these comics are no different than others in fields in which creativity is
admired and respected - and expected. You are a comic, right? And this was
an open mic, right? Not everyone is original and never will be. Maybe
that's not so bad in the end. Or maybe it's really bad in the end. But
that's the way it is and always has been, probably. I am not pursuing a
career in standup. I'm not pursuing anything. But if I *were* pursuing a
career in standup I think it might be a good idea to forget about how
uncreative or unoriginal other people are and concentrate on how creative or
original you are. This crap from comics all the time about how 'their'
craft is going down the tubes is just that - crap. I am a highly critical
person, and there is nothing wrong with that. I don't mind hearing a comic
bitch about or blast into the highly unimaginative or uncreative in their
midst, especially if those people are enjoying undue fame - but I don't
think they should blame their own lack of notoriety on the unoriginality and
mediocrity of others. A little less time analyzing your 'craft' and more
time doing it would be nice. Easy for me to say, of course, which is why I
say it. I like doing things that are easy.
Tommy Joe (Easy Does It)
Tommy Joseph
> I'm done with this thread because it's pointless because for whatever
> reasons what I'm trying to communicate just isn't getting through. Oh yeah,
> people just like to argue.
> PJ
Well, I for one never put words in your mouth because I knew what you
were saying and attempting to convey, yet I agree most of all with your
final statement above, which is that the thread is pointless, as was your
original statement, because it was certain to induce debate and the
not-so-thoughtful replies that come with debate, especially a debate with no
moderator and no purpose other than for each person involved to ultimately
'prove' that they are right and the other guy is wrong. I know this is a
comedy newsgroup and those who are sick of threads not related to comedy
might find a topic such as this refreshing, but it only proves that there is
only so much that can be intelligently discussed when it comes to comedy, or
maybe anything. I mean, things can be over-analzyed, you know? It's like a
bunch of body-builders standing around at the gym disucssing routines.
That's nice, it passes the time, it's even inspiring - but sooner or later
they're going to have to stop talking about it and get down and actually
lift some of the weights or they're not really body-builders anymore. I'm
as interested in standup as you or anyone, I think. But it can be
over-analyzed sometimes. In fact, it can be over-analyzed a lot.
Tommy Joe (Do You Inhale or Exhale Before You Take The Stage?)
Tommy Joseph
> From: "Caveat Lector" <caveat...@hotmail.com>
> Organization: Is for people with organs
> Reply-To: "Caveat Lector" <caveat...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comedy.standup
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 05:30:37 GMT
> Subject: Re: Is Etta May a Hack?
>
> If Nemo imagines himself as Ollie while wearing a strap-on to satisfy Chafey
> and Chafey imagines Nemo's strap-on as Ron Jeremy are they cheating the
> audience?
I don't consider myself gay (although others might not feel the same
way), yet I would love to see them come out with a truly realistic dick that
could be strapped on by a good-looking female. Not only realistic in
appearance, but also in feel. I'd love to suck a female dick. And no
transvestive bullshit, either! I don't care if the dick is phoney, but the
female must be real!
Tommy Joe
Tommy Joseph
> Main Entry: [1]stand-up
> Pronunciation: 'stan-"d&p
> Function: adjective
> Date: 1812
> 1 a : ERECT, UPRIGHT b : stiffened to stay upright without folding over.
>
> Leif Skyving
> world's funniest man
> http://www.funnyswede.com
Are you saying that standup comics are pricks?
Tommy Joe
PsychicComedy
that audience may have been more pissed that the magicomedian and
guitarssionist were crappy, not that they weren't standups.>>>
Bingo! You think they'd have cared one way or another what lines-in-the-sand
monologue guys wanted to draw if it had been Amazing Jonathan Tim Cavanagh?
B
PsychicComedy
: of, relating to, performing, or being a monologue of jokes,
gags, or satirical comments delivered usually while standing alone on a stage
or in front of a camera <stand-up comedy> <<<<
Ahhhh shit! Now the "satirical comments" guys are gonna start whining about
how the "gag" guys and "joke" women aren't REALLY 'standups'.
B
PsychicComedy
Was he a standup?
B
Caveat Lector
"PsychicComedy" <psychi...@aol.commic> wrote in message
news:20040114091323...@mb-m10.aol.com...
Stuart O. Bronstein
I don't think he considered himself a standup.
Stu
LeifSkyving
>Date: 1/13/04 11:48 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <BC2A5E97.16095%jo...@bellsouth.net>
No, I'm saying they are engorged, rigid, pricks; with bulging blue, purple and
red veins.
Prince Myachislav
>that any standup should compared to a prop or any other comic, I'm just
>saying they are different arts and should be distinguished as such.
Perhaps I misread what you wrote below. So what did you mean by "lessening the
field"?
"standup is a highly specialized form of comedy
that few can perform and fewer can master. To lessen it by opening the field
Brad
>one a guitar impressionist) and had people walk out and complain to the staff
I have had this happen to, people will come by me on the way out and say
,thanks for doing comedy, but this isn't why I say we use stand up as just
standing with a mic and comedy and comic and everything else for everything
else. If you tell me about a comic, "Hey do you know, Feeko, Whatishymer?" I
say, "I don't know?" Maybe I've seen him? What does he do?
"Oh he just does stand up,"
or
"He does mostly stand up but closed with this wacky thing with two toilets and
a harpsicord."
It just tells me what direction to think about if I've seen him. No slights.
Burke who I noticed again is a tremendous stand up, we worked a one nighter
togther. We are comedy whores I gotta tell you.
Burke closed with a thing with props that gets a standing ovation. I would
say, "Kevin he does almost all stand up. Some psychic stuff and this close you
don't want to follow.
Why are people mad?
best
brad
http://www.streetjoke.com
http://www.billyfustertag.com
PsychicComedy
> ROGERS?
>
> Was he a standup?
I don't think he considered himself a standup.
Stu>>>>
I don't know if the term was in common usage then, but you get the idea. Jack
The Ripper never called himself a "serial killer", however...
B
PsychicComedy
that few can perform and fewer can master. To lessen it by opening the field
to include everyone as a standup comic is insulting.">>>>
Feels awfully "superior" to me, PJ.
Funny thing, whenever someone lays down a "THIS, and nothing else!" definition
of standup, it just so happens to coincide with exactly what they do.
B
Tommy Joseph
> From: "Caveat Lector" <caveat...@hotmail.com>
> Organization: Is for people with organs
> Reply-To: "Caveat Lector" <caveat...@hotmail.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.comedy.standup
> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 15:01:30 GMT
> Subject: Re: Is Etta May a Hack?
>
I don't care what Rogers was, he didn't make me laugh.
Tommy Joe
PJ DiSanti
Jack
The Ripper never called himself a "serial killer", however..."
Yeah but he didn't object to being called a ripper either, but I wonder if
he would have minded being called a hack?
"HEY PJ...I've asked it about a billion times...WHAT ABOUT WILL ROGERS?
Was he a standup?"
As far as Will Rogers goes, according to his biography, found here...
http://tinyurl.com/2f7gw he was more of a writer/commentator than a
performer. (to be honest that's the direction I'm considering more and more)
He wrote 6 books and was in a great many movies as well.
The closest modern comparison would be Al Franken, would you say Franken is
a standup comic?
Standup comedy is a modern convention, the bastard grandchild of vaudeville
joke tellers and son of the Catskills yuksters. It's the evolution of those
predecessors.
Red Foxx as funny as he was, was not a standup comic, he was a highly
talented joke teller. It doesn't lessen his talent any, I put a handful of
people mislabeled standup in that joke teller category Buddy Hackett as
well.
It was only when you introduce the personalized storytelling element that
you get into true standup, Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Richard Pryor and
Bill Cosby were not simply jokesters, they told a story in a funny way.
Any of the above could tell a story in a funny way, with no setup or
punchline, and still have the audiences rolling. That is the high goal all
standups should strive for, not for the simple setup/punch, but to just be
genuinely funny no matter what's coming out of their mouths.
Without the elegance of expression and gesture those true standups brought
to their material, the material would have been nothing. It's the X factor
they personally bring to the table, the being funny with anything that truly
defines their talent.
The distinction between a joke teller, and the standup comic is simple, a
"joke" can be retold by anyone and not lose the humor whereas if you take 5
minutes of a Pryor show and have anyone else perform it, it simply won't
sell, it was his and his alone.
It's likely why Buddy Hackett didn't think it a big deal when the whole
Rogan debate blew up about stolen material. A joke was a joke to him it
didn't belong to anyone, a joke being independent of the person telling it
is real old school thinking, vaudevillian.
It's a performance is 9/10ths of the law mentality, if you're performing it,
it's yours for that show. I personally don't see it that way, but I can see
where that thinking came from.
That's just how I think of it, if you see it different it's all good, cause
I'm really done debating the superfine points, I'm just laying out my
personal view, take it for what it's worth, or not.
PJ
PsychicComedy
here...http://tinyurl.com/2f7gw he was more of a writer/commentator than a
performer. >>>
PJ, PJ, that's like saying "Seinfeld is more of a television actor". Know your
history, Bub. Will Rogers did 15 minutes of BRAND NEW political material EVERY
NIGHT at the Midnight show in the nightclub above the Zeigfield Follies, which
he also starred in. His political stuff all came from his POV as a homspun,
Oklahoma cowboy. And he did all this 30 years before Carlin and Pryor. (Yeah,
later he moved into other mediums...just like Seinfeld, Tim Allen, and
Roseanne.)
>>>The closest modern comparison would be Al Franken, would you say Franken is
a standup comic?>>>
I don't know that I've ever heard of Al Franken ever doing standup. All I know
of Al is sketch comedy from SNL and the things he's done afterward, so it's not
at ALL a valid comparison. Will Rogers did political humor in Vaudeville, The
Follies, and nightclubs for YEARS before he got into movies. (I believe he was
well into his 40's when he did.)
PJ, the problem with your argument is that is excludes everything you don't
do....
>>>It was only when you introduce the personalized storytelling element that
you get into true standup, Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, Richard Pryor and Bill
Cosby were not simply jokesters, they told a story in a funny way.>>>
OK. So political comics like Will Rogers, Corbett Monica, and Will Durst aren't
standups because they didn't/don't focus on "personalized storytelling"? But
Minnie Pearl WAS a standup because that's ALL she did?
>>>That is the high goal all standups should strive for, not for the simple
setup/punch, but to just be genuinely funny no matter what's coming out of
their mouths.>>>
The Word of PJ. Praise be to PJ.
>>>if you take 5 minutes of a Pryor show and have anyone else perform it, it
simply won't sell, it was his and his alone.>>>
Nonsense. Comics steal 'personalized' material all the time, and do Comedy
Central specials with it. Witness Dave Attell and Sam Kinison's "I know Jesus
was never married" bit. How could a bit BE more personal than Sam talking about
Jesus and the church? Yet it worked just fine for Dave.
B
PS...Will Rogers was the number one male movie box office attraction for
something like eight or ten consecutive years. "More of a
writer/commentator"...yeesh.
Bozo de Clown
> "I don't know if the term was in common usage then, but you get the idea.
> Jack The Ripper never called himself a "serial killer", however..."
>
> Yeah but he didn't object to being called a ripper either, but I wonder if
> he would have minded being called a hack?
>
> "HEY PJ...I've asked it about a billion times...WHAT ABOUT WILL ROGERS?
> Was he a standup?"
>
I been around a lot longer than most of you have. I KNEW Will.
I knew Jack. Frankly, you guys DON'T KNOW JACK. And I think
Will had a ranch in Santa Barbara.
-Bozo d'hack is back"-
PS: Who's Etta May?
Tommy Joe
Bozo,
Please die.
Thanks,
T.J.
Tommy Joseph
> The distinction between a joke teller, and the standup comic is simple, a
> "joke" can be retold by anyone and not lose the humor whereas if you take 5
> minutes of a Pryor show and have anyone else perform it, it simply won't
> sell, it was his and his alone.
>
> It's likely why Buddy Hackett didn't think it a big deal when the whole
> Rogan debate blew up about stolen material. A joke was a joke to him it
> didn't belong to anyone, a joke being independent of the person telling it
> is real old school thinking, vaudevillian.
>
> It's a performance is 9/10ths of the law mentality, if you're performing it,
> it's yours for that show. I personally don't see it that way, but I can see
> where that thinking came from.
>
> That's just how I think of it, if you see it different it's all good, cause
> I'm really done debating the superfine points, I'm just laying out my
> personal view, take it for what it's worth, or not.
>
> PJ
I read your entire post and tend to agree with most of it, except that
the people you mention as true 'standups' also tell jokes. These guys are
not as improvisational as you may think. All of these guys you mention have
'acts'. They may not consist of 'jokes' per se, but they are structured and
designed to be 'funny'. I think you're trying to say that in order for a
guy to be a standup comic he must be concerned with things that are socially
relevant. That's commendable, but not necessary to being a standup. I
personally don't like labels, so I really don't care who is and who is not a
'standup', but I get the impression that you somehow think that in order to
be a standup in today's world you must have something important to say. I
don't think that's the case at all. It's commendable, especially if it's
funny at the same time, but I don't think it's a requirement. Anyway, all
those guys you mentioned are far more structured than you may think. They
all have 'acts'. The truth is that they are not always funny and every last
one of them relies on some form of structure to get along.
Tommy Joe
Hello! I Am Chafey Narquois Barbeau!
stealing Kinison's bit, Burkey!? I
bloody hope not.
By the way, I've never seen your act, but I was
curious, why did LCK call you a total HACK!?
Was he just being jokingly jerky, or did he
mean that!?
Finally, I agree, that it is utter bullshit, when
people chime-in with that whole, "make your
act so 'personal' it can't be hacked" CRAP!!
That line of delusional-reasoning
is just another way, for TOTAL
HACKS to justify stealing material.
"Gee, he was 'asking' for it to be
stolen, because, the material
was just not 'unique' enough
in conveying his 'personal' life
....blah blah blah...."
--Hack/Thief/Creep--
FUCK THAT BLOODY ASS SHIT!!
Anything _*I*_ bloody create is
PERSONAL to me. And anything
someone else creates I look
at as PERSONAL to that
writer/performer. Period.
Whether they are talking
about "deeply-personal"
events about their life
or bloody not, is NOT
a fucking concern of
mine.
And I am sure ALL other original writers with any kind of
SENSE-an-SELF-ESTEEM
AND-bloody-SCRUPLES feel the
same way _*I*_ DO about
THEIR original writings,
and ALL OTHERS'
WRITINGS,
as well.
I have no bloody desire
to be coming-up with
concocted-categories
of "less-personal" material
that is "easier" to steal.
Why discuss such
things!?
If I write a song about, say, a "bisexual
chick", that has ABSOLUTELY
NOTHING to do with my
"unique style" or my
"unique 'PERSONAL'
life blah blah blah",
would I bloody feel
any less victimized if
some idiot tried to steal
my lyrics!?
Of course not.
So why are some of you UTTER
IDIOTS, trying to qualify and
categorize "joke writing", in that idiotically-COUNTERPRODUCTIVE
way!?
Why do too many of you
idiots in comedy, talk
about such things
in ways that make
you look, either
clueless or
totally fucking
crummy-scummy!?
Huh!?
It really, IS, as if the hack-and-thief-enablers are, in essence,
conveying that, ANY original material is somehow up-for-grabs "fair-game
public-domain", if it doesn't seem "personally-connected-ENOUGH"
with the person who
wrote
it.
And, again, NOT SURPRISINGLY,
it is almost always the totally
AMORAL THIEVES, who
go around saying shit like
that.
It's more-of-that whole justifying of blatant theft of creative
material. (Which is all-too-tolerated
among comics.)
To me, a JOKE/BIT is a group of words,
penned by some writer. Period.
It should be (AND IT BLOODY
IS!!) protected, within the
same copyright laws
which exist for ALL
OTHER forms of
creative writing.
Whoever penned it first, deserves the
credit. Period. Just like, a song, etc.
Why is that so seemingly hard
for so many comedians to
understand!?
It really is a problem that so many
comedians trash their own art
with such crazy ANTI-ARTISTIC
ways of thinking. I think too many
comedians really are scummy
people, and they go into comedy
because it is a place that embraces
ANTI-ARTISTIC-INTEGRITY
_*SCUM*_!!
So they feel very comfortable and welcomed in the deeply-seated
creepy-cum-scum-soaked
hack-hellhole
comedy-club
abyss.
And, as we ALL know, the
OBVIOUS anti-artist-creep-comic's shadily-acquired JOKES/PREMISES/ANGLES
are just a means, to a SITCOM/MOVIE-DEAL,
end.
So, "ALL-IS-FAIR", in the cumball's
jaundiced eyes, it seems. They turn
their varyingly excusing-and-enabling
rhetoric into ALMOST an "art-form"
in and of itself. So, they become
"artistic" LIARS, HACKS and
THIEVES....So they (sort of)
become "artists", in effect,
by default. By disgustingly
coming-up with all sorts
of "artistic" excuses for
stealing comedy
material.
Totally/Utterly
PATHETIC!!
Truly.
(BLOODY!!)
TRULY!!
Yours (Bloody!!) Truly,
Chafey....AKA....David
Copyright 2004
PsychicComedy
stealing Kinison's bit, Burkey!?>>>
Not at ALL. I'm just refuring PJ's point that no one can successfully steal
personalized bits.
Speaking of which...Carlin doesn't tell personalized stories about his
life...does that make him NOT a standup, PJ?
B
Bozo de Clown
> >
> > I been around a lot longer than most of you have. I KNEW Will,
> > I knew Jack, and frankly, you guys DON'T KNOW JACK. And I think
> >
> > -Bozo d'hack is back"-
> >
> >
> > PS: Who's Etta May?
>
> Bozo,
> Please die.
> Thanks,
> T.J.
Oh, you must be Miss May's cunt-lapping step n'fetch she talk so-much
about! And why you want me to "die" you worthless TJ-impersonator?
Don't you get enough practice doing that onstage yourself during Open
Mic Nite For hacks? You worthless piece of shit whoever you are. Now
make yourself useful and go cunt-lap Etta May like you're supposed to,
dog. And don't speak to me again or I'll kill you.
-Bozo-
PJ DiSanti
'acts'. They may not consist of 'jokes' per se, but they are structured and
designed to be 'funny'. I think you're trying to say that in order for a
guy to be a standup comic he must be concerned with things that are socially
relevant."
I agree with you that structure is important, what I was trying to say
wasn't necessarily improv but to leave the impression that it is improv and
unstructured is the art, few can pull it off as well as those that I
mentioned.
And yes some of them use 'jokes' but when they do it's usually a departure
or an addition to their 'act' people don't line up to hear their jokes,
people line up to see them. It's their personality that sells, and that
personality is just, being funny with whatever material they're doing.
I hear Carlin is working on a one man show for Broadway, kinda to tell his
life story, and although it will have little to do with his standup act I'm
betting it will still be funny, not throughout, but being funny is just a
part of his personality so no matter what he does it can't help but bleed
through to other things.
I guess the sum of what I'm saying is, that if you are a funny person, no
matter what you wind up doing in life, your personal humor bubble that
surrounds you will seep into everything.
Doing comedy is either in your DNA or it isn't, it can't be trained into
someone without that mysterious chromosome(some of us have it in a mutated
form), someday science will find it and sell it in the form of a pill.
PJ
PS, when you live in Vegas and you're kicking the casino's ass, leave while
you're ahead. Last night was hell.
PJ DiSanti
trolls.
PJ
PJ DiSanti
life...does that make him NOT a standup, PJ?"
I never said personalized stories, when I said they did "personalized
storytelling" I really didn't mean it as it's most likey to have been taken,
I used the wrong words for what I meant.
What I meant was, they use a personalized narriative, what's the difference?
They write their material not necessarily as setup/punch, but rely more
heavily on their personality to sell the story they're spinning. Example
follows..
Bill Cosby did a bit on his experience with Jeffery the kid on the airplane,
number 1 that story is 99% likely fiction, number 2 without his expressions,
gestures and actouts it would have never sold. You can't just speak the
story, it has to be given life and character by the performer.
So could a great comic sell substandard material just with their personality
yep. If you read a transcript of that bit, how funny would it be? But to see
Cosby perform it it's magic, so what is the source of the magic? Cosby of
course and I really doubt others could sell it as well as he did.
That's why I think a great comic is tough to steal from, it's not
necessarily about the writing/material, but the presentation. When a comic
has all of those factors going for them all the better, but the most
difficult of all those factors is the presentation.
Anybody can write an act, few can perform it well enough to be sucessful in
comedy.
I hope that clarifies what I was saying.
PJ
Tommy Joe
Why I do believe I've hit a nerve. First, please know that you aren't
going to kill anyone unless it's boring them to death. Second, you've
already admitted that you don't have a clue who Etta May is so why are
you being such an asshole to her. Third, I've never met the woman.
Fourth, truth be known that if we ever met, kicking my ass would and
never will be an option that you could exercise. Of course you'll
never know who I am but please know, and I'm quite sure of what I
speak, that you wouldn't have a clue but if you want to say things
like "don't speak to me again or I'll kill you" you really do open up
a whole other can and shouldn't say such things as I consider any
threat as a promise and I will not allow that. In other words, keep
your anonymous screen name and pray that no one outs you or you'll
have to back up your bullshit threats.
Gotta go you stupid little fucker,
T.J.
Bozo de Clown
> Bozo_D...@37.com (Bozo de Clown) wrote in message news:<f259be.040116...@posting.google.com>...
> > Tommy...@witty.com (Tommy Joe) wrote in message news:<e91c7707.04011...@posting.google.com>...
> > > >
> > > > I been around a lot longer than most of you have. I KNEW Will,
> > > > I knew Jack, and frankly, you guys DON'T KNOW JACK. And I think
> > > > Will had a ranch in Santa Barbara.
> > > >
> > > > -Bozo d'hack is back"-
> > > >
> > > > PS: Who's Etta May?
> > >
> > > Bozo,
> > > Please die.
> > > Thanks,
> > > T.J.
> >
> > Oh, you must be Miss May's cunt-lapping step n'fetch she talk so-much
> > about! And why you want me to "die" you worthless TJ-impersonator?
> > Don't you get enough practice doing that onstage yourself during Open
> > Mic Nite For hacks? You worthless piece of shit whoever you are. Now
> > make yourself useful and go cunt-lap Etta May like you're supposed to,
> > dog. And don't speak to me again or I'll kill you.
> >
> > -Bozo-
>
> Why I do believe I've hit a nerve. First, please know that you aren't
> blah blah balh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah balh blah blah blah
> blah blah blah blah balh blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah balh blah
> blah blah blah blah blah blah blah balh.
> T.J.
Listen asshole, you're a cunt, you're an asshole, you're a cunt,
you're an asshole, you're a cunt, and with that hole in your head,
know what that makes you? A bowling ball! So lets pretend I have all
three fingers inside you and I'm pulling back and throwing you! Oh,
right in the gutter. you're a gutter ball! AGAIN!! But you're used
to it by now. YOU'RE NOT FUNNY. YOU'RE NOT PRETTY. You have
absolutely nothing to say, EVER! You think you're some fucking school
marm on a scolding mission. Do you think someone's going to applaud
you for this? Here? You stupid shit. Stop taking your meds and go
kill yourself already. You're a sick old hag who has nothing to do
but impersonate trolls with usernames you actually seem to covet. And
you must have absolutely nothing to do but come here and be insulted.
Because you LIKE TO BE INSULTED. Now stop talking TO ME BEFORE I KILL
YOU!!!!! Cunt!!!! Happy?
-Bozo-
O-Ho Mo
alternate-newsgroup totally unrelated to ACS. This is easy to do as most of the
posts have nothing to do with comedy, standup or business. I ran into a flame
post that was such a jewell that I had to repost it for those that have the
original poster killfiled. It is pure delightful haterd spawned by one faceless
nameless entity impregnated by another. It made me giggle.
========
>Listen asshole, you're a cunt, you're an asshole, you're a cunt,
>you're an asshole, you're a cunt, and with that hole in your head,
>know what that makes you? A bowling ball! So lets pretend I have all
>three fingers inside you and I'm pulling back and throwing you! Oh,
>right in the gutter. you're a gutter ball! AGAIN!! But you're used
>to it by now. YOU'RE NOT FUNNY. YOU'RE NOT PRETTY. You have
>absolutely nothing to say, EVER! You think you're some fucking school
>marm on a scolding mission. Do you think someone's going to applaud
>you for this? Here? You stupid shit. Stop taking your meds and go
>kill yourself already. You're a sick old hag who has nothing to do
>but impersonate trolls with usernames you actually seem to covet. And
>you must have absolutely nothing to do but come here and be insulted.
>Because you LIKE TO BE INSULTED. Now stop talking TO ME BEFORE I KILL
>YOU!!!!! Cunt!!!! Happy?
I particularly liked the "stop taking your meds and go kill yourself already".
Chandler, what empathetic haterd it is. H@@@@
Father Luke
O-Ho Mo wrote:
Alternative ACS. Thanks. I indeed missed it.
Father Luke
Tommy Joseph
> I guess the sum of what I'm saying is, that if you are a funny person, no
> matter what you wind up doing in life, your personal humor bubble that
> surrounds you will seep into everything.
> PJ
I agree. Sounds like you're talking about ME......
Tommy Joe
Tommy Joseph
> From: "PJ DiSanti" <p...@nopjdisantispam.cum>
> Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net
> Newsgroups: alt.comedy.standup
> Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 21:43:51 GMT
> Subject: Re: Is Etta May a Hack?
>
> Ok I never thought I'd be saying this to you Tommy, please don't feed the
> trolls.
>
> PJ
If I don't feed them, who will? Everyone has to eat. Have a fucking
heart.
Tommy Joe (Troll Bait)
Tommy Joseph
> Anybody can write an act, few can perform it well enough to be sucessful in
> comedy.
>
> I hope that clarifies what I was saying.
>
> PJ
I agree, the performance is where it's at, except not just 'anybody' can
write a good act. Also, I don't think you need to continue clarifying your
statements because I think most everyone knows what you're saying, even if
they pretend they don't. I understand what you're saying, but I still think
you can't draw a straight line separating standups from other types of
comics. There's a lot of gray in there, and basically (to clarify my own
position), I'm saying what difference does it make who is and who is not a
standup by your definition? It doesn't really matter in the end. Like a
very famous man once said, "The stage is more important than the people who
take it." (Wow, that's deep, man!)..... The truth is, I just made that one
up. I don't even know if I believe it, but it sounds kind of cool and maybe
it'll impress somebody - which is really all I care about it in the long
run. Now, back to the discussion at hand: While most of the people you
mention as representative of standup are famous and admired, it's a matter
of opinion as to whether they're funny or not. For example, I never really
liked Pryor a lot, and Cosby never made me laugh. The operative word is
'comic', standup or otherwise. Comedy - it's all about laughs, isn't it?
This discussion, by the way, kind of reminds me of discussions I used to
hear about who is and who is not a 'jazz' musician. "He's good, man, I like
him a lot, I really dig his music, but he aint jazz" - as if whether he's
'jazz' or not is more important than the music itself.........Anyway, I
agree with your explanation of what is and what is not a standup. I just
don't think there's a big need for the explanation. Sorry for the length of
the post, but I too feel the need to clarify my statements, usually
immediately after making them, so really, in case you misunderstand what I'm
trying to say, what I really meant was..........."
Tommy Joe (Blah Blah Blah)
Tommy Joseph
>> Oh, you must be Miss May's cunt-lapping step n'fetch she talk so-much
>> about! And why you want me to "die" you worthless TJ-impersonator?
>> Don't you get enough practice doing that onstage yourself during Open
>> Mic Nite For hacks? You worthless piece of shit whoever you are. Now
>> make yourself useful and go cunt-lap Etta May like you're supposed to,
>> dog. And don't speak to me again or I'll kill you.
>>
>> -Bozo-
>
> Why I do believe I've hit a nerve. First, please know that you aren't
> going to kill anyone unless it's boring them to death. Second, you've
> already admitted that you don't have a clue who Etta May is so why are
> you being such an asshole to her. Third, I've never met the woman.
> Fourth, truth be known that if we ever met, kicking my ass would and
> never will be an option that you could exercise. Of course you'll
> never know who I am but please know, and I'm quite sure of what I
> speak, that you wouldn't have a clue but if you want to say things
> like "don't speak to me again or I'll kill you" you really do open up
> a whole other can and shouldn't say such things as I consider any
> threat as a promise and I will not allow that. In other words, keep
> your anonymous screen name and pray that no one outs you or you'll
> have to back up your bullshit threats.
> Gotta go you stupid little fucker,
> T.J.
Precious God in Living Heaven, I want to kill somebody really bad! One
at a time or all at once. Please, Dear God in Heaven, let me live to be
ninety years old so I can kill a bunch of people and go to jail and die
before they get a chance to execute me.
Tommy Joe (The Real One - I think)
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BozodeClown
...... You're a sick old hag who has nothing to do
> but impersonate trolls with usernames you actually seem to covet. And
> you must have absolutely nothing to do but come here and be insulted.
> Because you LIKE TO BE INSULTED. Now stop talking TO ME BEFORE I KILL
> YOU!!!!! Cunt!!!! Happy?
>
> -Bozo-
So, you now actually admit that you are a troll. Good let's start
from there.
You are a stupid little fucker who I enjoy taunting because you take
yourself seriously while interupting a forum supposedly built on
comedy when you in fact have no contributions to the subject. I can
handle your juvenile name calling, that's what I'd expect from a punk
ass. I guess you're lonely like Soloshow7 and others. When you get
called on it then you get mean, or at least as mean as a little punk
ass coward can be when he uses a screen name.
So...call me a cunt, make really bad attempt at jokes about my head
and a bowling ball but...the truth is that I've nailed you for being a
worthless troll and you don't like it.
I'm enjoying this so relax and get use to it.
By the way, I thought you killfiled me.
So, you're not only a troll, you're a bonified liar, but then again we
already knew that.
From the new and improved BozodeClown
Prinny
> Jesus Christ I hate having to fucking retype what I've typed a dozen
> fucking times
Then STOP TYPING! FOR THE LOVE OF TASTY SHIT ON A BISCUIT, STOP
FUCKEN TYPING!!!!
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