Was it Curly with hair?
John Boyle
Many years ago I saw a Stooges episode. It was one that had Shemp in
it. They were aboard a train. At one point there is a man sleeping in
a seat. I could swear that it was Curly with hair. Sorry, I don't know
the name of the episode, but I think the end had a one of the Stooges
dressed as a big bird.
Am I nuts, or was this really Curly in disguise?
Just curious, and thanks for any feedback.
JB
dcb
Yes it was Curly. It's the only time all 3 brothers appear in a short
together. I believe it was "Hold That Lion" though the scene was reused
at least one other time.
dcb
Kris from Menace Publishing & Manufacture
dcb wrote in message <357C1D6A...@hotmail.com>...
>Yes it was Curly. It's the only time all 3 brothers appear in a short
>together. I believe it was "Hold That Lion" though the scene was reused
>at least one other time.
This was after Curly's stroke, I believe. Funny, but for a stooge fan it's
really sort of touching to see that scene. How hampered by that initial
stroke was Curly? I know he lost some function, but how much?
Kris
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SaxonCow
>From: "Kris from Menace Publishing & Manufacture"
> How hampered by that initial
>stroke was Curly? I know he lost some function, but how much?
Hal or Jim, or one of the others could probably give you a more detailed
answer, but I can tell very easily which shorts were made after his first
stroke in 1945. He is slower in voice and movement, he looks a little thinner,
his eyes have an almost glazed look at times, and there is much more emphasis
on Moe and Larry. Instead of starting the short with Curly as main camera
target, many times he will show up a bit after the other two, and have more of
a background role, as opposed to usually being the center of attention as he
was for his first 75 or so shorts.
Despite the stroke, there are some good shorts, Micro-Phonies, for example,
from this period, as well as some that are almost hard for me to watch.
Despite all of the above, there are several true Stooge fans who swear they
can't see a difference pre-stroke and after, so don't feel left out if you
don't either.
Hal Erickson
>This was after Curly's stroke, I believe. Funny, but for a stooge fan it's
>really sort of touching to see that scene. How hampered by that initial
>stroke was Curly? I know he lost some function, but how much?
>Kris
Apparently not so much that he wasn't able to father a child by his
last wife.
Hal E
Jerry & Dianna Bush
you are confusing two shorts: Cukoo on a Choo Choo (with the bird) and Hold
That Lion (which indeed briefly featured Curly with hair. He did not have
any lines but just snored and made some funny noises.
Jerry the Bush
John Boyle wrote in message <357C3C4A...@erols.com>...
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>Curly with hair?
>From: John Boyle <john....@erols.com>
>Date: Mon, Jun 8, 1998 15:32 EDT
>Message-id: <357C3C4A...@erols.com>
>
>Many years ago I saw a Stooges episode. It was one that had Shemp in
>it. They were aboard a train. At one point there is a man sleeping in
>a seat. I could swear that it was Curly with hair. Sorry, I don't know
>the name of the episode,
Yes, that was Curly in "Hold that Lion"...the only Stooge short with all three
Horwitz bros. in it. Just a cameo shot. I think it was in 1947.
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>>Hal or Jim, or one of the others could probably give you a more detailed
answer, but I can tell very easily which shorts were made after his first
Stooge fans who swear they
can't see a difference pre-stroke and after, so don't feel left out if you
don't either.>>
Wow, I can't believe some can't notice the difference. He's just so lifeless
and out of it in those later shorts. But one thing about this has always
confused me: where exactly is the dividing line between Curly's pre- and post-
stroke shorts? I notice a slowing down of his timing as early as some 1944
shorts. Compare, for instance, Curly's chef routine in "Busy Buddies" (I think
that's the one) with his very similar routine in 1937's "Playing the Ponies."
The later version just can't compare in terms of energy and timing. Then
there's the feature "Rockin' in the Rockies" from 1945 in which Curly acts very
much like his old self. I know that Curly was hypertensive, had a drinking
problem and may have suffered a few silent strokes around this time, but I've
never been clear as to which film marks the beginnings of his health problems.
If the films themselves are any indication, it was probably a gradual thing,
but I don't know...
>>Despite the stroke, there are some good shorts, Micro-Phonies, for example,
from this period, as well as some that are almost hard for me to watch.<<
"Micro-Phonies" and "Three Little Pirates" ("Maha?" "Aha?") probably contain
Curly's two best performances from his later work. I've always felt that this
is because he was in heavy disguise in both, playing a character within a
character, and we don't expect him to act like Curly, woo-wooing,
n'yuk-n'yuking and spinning on the floor and all...
John L
Hal Erickson
saxo...@aol.com (SaxonCow) wrote:
>>From: "Kris from Menace Publishing & Manufacture"
>> How hampered by that initial
>>stroke was Curly? I know he lost some function, but how much?
> Hal or Jim, or one of the others could probably give you a more detailed
>answer, but I can tell very easily which shorts were made after his first
>stroke in 1945. He is slower in voice and movement, he looks a little thinner,
>his eyes have an almost glazed look at times, and there is much more emphasis
>on Moe and Larry. Instead of starting the short with Curly as main camera
>target, many times he will show up a bit after the other two, and have more of
>a background role, as opposed to usually being the center of attention as he
>was for his first 75 or so shorts.
> Despite the stroke, there are some good shorts, Micro-Phonies, for example,
>from this period, as well as some that are almost hard for me to watch.
> Despite all of the above, there are several true Stooge fans who swear they
>can't see a difference pre-stroke and after, so don't feel left out if you
>don't either.
In most of the books about the Columbia/Stooge shorts, Edward Bernds
is quoted as saying that after the stroke, Curly had "up" and "down"
periods that varied dramatically. According to Bernds, he was "up" for
MICRO PHONIES and THREE LITTLE PIRATES, but way "down" for A BIRD IN
THE HEAD snd MONKEY BUSINESSMEN--and it show.
A relative of one of the Stooges visited the set during RHYTHM AND
WEEP and noted that Moe was literally feeding Curly his lines during
filming, and that bits of business normally handled by Curly were
being redirected to Moe and Larry.
For me, THREE LOAN WOLVES is nearly impossible to watch. While it's
fun to see Larry in a larger role than usual, it is painful to see
Curly struggle through the smallest line or physical action. And in
both BEER BARREL POLECATS and GI WANNA HOME, he obviously flubs a
couple of line cues.
Much as I love Curly--and I do, I dearly do--I wish that he had packed
it in after MICRO PHONIES and spared himself the embarrassment and
humiliation.
--Hal E
FirstAmerD
>Am I nuts, or was this really Curly in disguise?
Youre right both times, chucklehead!
Nyuk!
OT EXPRESS
I think your talking about the film " Hold That Lion". It is the only one with
all three Howard brothers in it ( Moe,Curly, and Shemp). Curly had a massive
stroke and retired. This was the 3rd film done with his new replacment: SHEMP.
Curly did just a cameo in it as the snoring old man with the clothes pin on
his nose. It was his last appearance ever on film.
Packer
OT EXPRESS
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John Boyle
Thanks to everyone who responded to my question about whether Curly appeared
in a cameo with hair. Thanks for clarifying that. At least I know I wasn't
nutz. woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo-woo.
JB