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<uhmeow> doc gave me a tape of eddie izzard, the closest i can think of
to this.
<kend^> good comedy is like that. take something ordinary and make it
special AND funny. it's a rare talent
<uhmeow> carlin and lenny, but neither had the combination historical
cultural background as well as today's news
<kend^> i've not had a lot of exposure to bruce, but george is one of my
favorites
<uhmeow> great stuff
<kend^> well, i think i'm going to call it quits. will stay connected
for log purposes, but i'm going to bed. later, dear friends
<Regnad_Kcin> ah, my favorite is Bill Hicks
<Regnad_Kcin> very funny, died too young
*** kend^ is now known as kend^logging
<klokwkdog> nope, many Scandanavian countries are now working on
switching gov't s/w to Linux, Ken
<klokwkdog> yeah, last week FST was a mixed bag, Ken. but it was nice
they got a Gig
<klokwkdog> nite ken
<Regnad_Kcin> l8r kend
<uhmeow> by kend
<uhmeow> the people who make the antivirus software are sending out the
viruses in the first place
<uhmeow> krassner on Conspiracy Zone
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<DocTechnical> back, but not for long - it's been a very long week and
I've amassed a bit of a sleep debt
<uhmeow> the annual chamber of commerce meeting, to debate the town's motto
<Dexter_Fong> I'm Down! I'm Down! Thank God amighty, Dear Friends I'm down!!
<uhmeow> i havent heard from you in a long time doc, i assumed yhou were
busy
<Dexter_Fong> I'm split! I'm split! Curse the Devil, dear frioends I'm split
<DocTechnical> dex, you just got connected? sorry you had so much trouble
<uhmeow> i really have to get some stuff together computer=wise before
we go to sask, and then to europe the week thereafter
<Dexter_Fong> Hi Doc
<DocTechnical> yeah cat, i've been up to my neck in office work (as well
as fst site work) this week
<uhmeow> i can imagine
<Dexter_Fong> Thanks DT =), I'm sure you had nothing to do with it
<DocTechnical> i tried loggin in a little after 8:30, did not get in
until after 9 (edt)
<klokwkdog> hey Doc, Ash, other strags.
<DocTechnical> dealing with irc felt very much like my drive to work
this morning on i-95
<Dexter_Fong> Hey Brian
<Dexter_Fong> and Cat, and fellow stranglers
<klokwkdog> computer=wise is oxy=moron?
<klokwkdog> getting ready for your SAT?
<DocTechnical> heavy rain resulted in numerous fenderbenders, traffic
was a crawl
<DocTechnical> 20 miles in 55 mins
<DocTechnical> the cat sat on the mat
<klokwkdog> yankees forgot what rain is like. wait until it snows the
first time
<Dexter_Fong> Whooooo! That's slower thn anybodies been gone for awhile
<DocTechnical> klok: you got that right
<bfwestley> I'm doing things, so I haven't been seeing much...
<Dexter_Fong> Mets too
<uhmeow> i sat on lots of mats
<Dexter_Fong> To do is to see
<uhmeow> 17 years in nihon
<klokwkdog> I haven't been doing much; still didn't see anything ;-))
<klokwkdog> Job Lot had a mat sale tonight; you'd be in 7th heavin Cat
<Dexter_Fong> I've seen fire and I've seen rain
<Dexter_Fong> Heavin'?
<DocTechnical> so the talk re defense against large meteor heading
towards earth is the deployment of a big airbag
<Dexter_Fong> My cat always heaves on the sofa
<klokwkdog> they must have closed down another mill and sent the
half-blind teenage immigrants out into the cold, wet rain we're having
(finally)
<DocTechnical> ...so, what recourse do you have if the airbag fails to
inflate in time?
<klokwkdog> connect it to Congress, no chance of that
<Dexter_Fong> Get under your desk?
<DocTechnical> meteor survivor: "i would've sued lockheed but they,
along with most of civilization, was wiped out..."
<klokwkdog> I thought the big problem was attacks by sharks infected
with West Nile Virus
<uhmeow> i left my place to walk up 1 mile up hill to the library. when
i left i needed my shades. 4 blocks later, it was raining cats and dogs.
thankfully i had an umbrella, unlike totally surprised everybody else.
then i got to the library and i needed my shades again
<klokwkdog> LOL
<Dexter_Fong> Least you had company Cat
<klokwkdog> so no one at the desk would recognize you, the infamous
overdue fine king?
<DocTechnical> "the weather today: bright and sunny, with brief periods
of monsoon..."
<Regnad_Kcin> you live in Malaysia Doc?
<uhmeow> i was the only person not ducking into the library for cover. i
actually wanted some books
<DocTechnical> No, but apparently vancouver resembled malaysia for a
brief period of time today
<DocTechnical> "sorry, we're all out of books - perhaps we can interest
you in this umbrella..."
<uhmeow> keseyh's ad for corn starch for his balls, from the whole earth
catalogue
<uhmeow> what he'll remember him most for
<Dexter_Fong> Tech Inquiry: After not being able to connect thru usual
dal.net addresses..I just typed in a server number but changed the last
digit and Viola! what's up with that?
<uhmeow> a neighbour of krassner's came over and asked to borrow a cup
of acid
<Dexter_Fong> I know that guy..Al Kaline, right?
<DocTechnical> dex: kend^ said earlier that he checked dalnet stats,
there are (or were at 9pm edt) 75,000 people logged in...
<DocTechnical> i think that may be more than usual
<uhmeow> keseys on the bus drivin by neal in the sky
<Dexter_Fong> Right Doc..but how come when I picked my own server number
It let me in?
<uhmeow> k's grandaughter wonders, who will teach us to hypnotise
chickens now?
<DocTechnical> my bet is that a lot of teens were chatting amongst their
friends, plotting world domination or what they plan to do during the
holiday weekend...
<DocTechnical> ...or perhaps both.
<DocTechnical> dex: i don't know the answer - if i were to venture a
guess i'd say: you hit the server lottery
<uhmeow> krass at cannabis cup, couldnt wait to come back to the states
and not smoke dope for a while
<DocTechnical> i think when you don't specify a server number (as when
you just select "connect" from the mIRC menu), it picks a valid server #
at random and tried ot connect...
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Was the Cup played on grass this year?
<DocTechnical> when that fails, it just picks another one
<DocTechnical> which server # did you give it - the one that got you in?
<uhmeow> i'll have to visit one year and find out
<Dexter_Fong> Doc: I used 65.122.105.1...it had been giving me the first
3 groups but the final number was either 2 or 3
<Dexter_Fong> I outsmarted the sumbitch =))
<DocTechnical> i'm willing to bet that 65.122.105.1 is irc.dal.net - but
don't quote me on that
<DocTechnical> when mIRC can't connect to irc.dal.net, it assumes it's
filled and tries one of the "lesset" ip addresses
<DocTechnical> "lesser"
<Dexter_Fong> Yeah DOc, it is but it stopped using the final digit "1"
after 'bout an hour and only used "2" or "3"
<Dexter_Fong> Anyway..finally got here...but no log from the Fong
<DocTechnical> there's also the port number issue - i think port
numberes are 6660-6669, 7001, 7002
<Dexter_Fong> Doc: You've just lost me in the dust....
<DocTechnical> when mIRC tries to connect to dalnet, it uses both an ip
address and a port number...
<DocTechnical> for example, after the umpteenth attempt to connect
tonight, mIRC got through to dalnet via ip 65.122.105.3, port 6661
* Dexter_Fong peers out port hole in vain attempt to follow Doc T's wake
<Dexter_Fong> DT: You can add the port number yourself?
<uhmeow> any of you know lonnie liston smith album "expansions?"
<DocTechnical> if you ever want to force the port as well as the server
#, connect via: /server 65.122.105.x:pppp (where x is 1, 2 or 3 and pppp
is one of 6660-6669, 7001, 7002)
<uhmeow> mid 70s i think
<DocTechnical> separate the port from the ip with a colon
<DocTechnical> or a spleen if you're particularly angry
<uhmeow> powell?
<Dexter_Fong> lol
<uhmeow> still has all the dead in my lai stuffed in his colon
<uhmeow> no wonder he's so full of shit
<DocTechnical> what, my lai?
<klokwkdog> that's GENERAL Powell to you, son
<uhmeow> give him the truth serum
<Dexter_Fong> Least CP is not plumping for Iraq invasion
<DocTechnical> i cannot tell a lie - heh, just lyin' ...
<klokwkdog> make him SEE the LIGHT
<uhmeow> krassner points out the irony of him being portrayed as the
"good guy" now
<klokwkdog> yeah, the guys who will actually do it are suddenly quite
unenthusiastic
<Dexter_Fong> It's all relative, Cat. Todays heroes are tomorrows
villains and vice versa
<uhmeow> he was in charge of the cover up of my lai, and fought
clinton's gays in military plans, saying soldiers would be uncomfortable
being in a barracks with gays.
<uhmeow> as if they weren't with "blacks" in colon's day
<Dexter_Fong> I was just uncomfortable in the barracks period
<uhmeow> peter bergman's riff on the chicago 7 up, it's a wheel, first
julius hoffman's on top, than abbey, than julius, etc
<DocTechnical> yeah, no room service
<Dexter_Fong> Yeah Cat, remember PB's riff
<DocTechnical> we're on the wheel again
<uhmeow> bergman anxd austin have great riffs on their army life on an
hour hour show
<Dexter_Fong> I found Army life to be 2 years of wierdness
<DocTechnical> 2 weird
<Dexter_Fong> But funny as hell sometimes
<uhmeow> yeah butr you're not austin and bergman
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Well true, and they're not me either =))
<uhmeow> is that a good thing?
<Dexter_Fong> That's life....that's what people say...
<DocTechnical> has anyone read austin's latest fireblog entry? he talks
about how, by the time of dwarf, he came to the realization that the
group writing material had to come of of what was happening (or had
happened) in their lives
<Dexter_Fong> Drafted in December...discharged in may
<DocTechnical> ...come OUT of...
<DocTechnical> (sorry)
<uhmeow> i dont have theblog address, doc. is it on the whats new
firesign website, bf would know but he's only virtually here
<klokwkdog> a May-December romance, eh?
<DocTechnical> go to the firesigntheatre.com home page, click the
firesign weblog link therein (you can also click the little image of the
newspaper kiosk)
[klokwkdog SOUND]
<bfwestley> fst.com/cgi/wlv.cgi
<DocTechnical> wright... er, write... er...
<uhmeow> brothers, where art thou?
<uhmeow> thouse?
<DocTechnical> actually, a clickable link in the ez-read log:
<DocTechnical> http://www.firesigntheatre.com/cgi/wlv.cgi
<uhmeow> thanks, doc
<DocTechnical> (wlv = web log viewer)
<uhmeow> listening to the We are There from Duckman, followed by Ghetto
Hilights on the Saska CD
<uhmeow> never heard it before without the visual
<uhmeow> how's Lili, Doc?
<Dexter_Fong> Klock: You're very intermittant tonight
<DocTechnical> out like a light right now, cat
<uhmeow> that can be good
<Dexter_Fong> DT: Sh get that car thing done?
<DocTechnical> i used to be intermittent but i changed my religious
affiliation
<DocTechnical> dex: she's having the work done this week, the repair
shop set her up with a loaner through mid-week next week
<Regnad_Kcin> Progressive Universal Life Church is not a valid denomination
<Dexter_Fong> So no new car huh?
<Regnad_Kcin> tho for $20 you too can marry people and perform death rights
<klokwkdog> intermittend? I was jawing with RK on Geek matters
<DocTechnical> dex: no, she is keeping her acura - damage was only
cosmetic and she loves it too much
<uhmeow> robert kennedy?
<Dexter_Fong> Ah.....Jawohl mein Schnifter
<DocTechnical> it's all geek to me (but this comes as no surprise)
<Dexter_Fong> Opah!!!!
<uhmeow> Sesame?
<DocTechnical> (oprah?)
* Dexter_Fong throws Kosher dinnerware onto dance floor
<klokwkdog> Lord of the Seeds!
<Dexter_Fong> Opera
<uhmeow> that right wing hooey sure stank up the joint
<Dexter_Fong> tion
<uhmeow> sounds like marc emory
* Dexter_Fong Places order to go for Right Wing Hooey with Black Bean Sauce
<DocTechnical> tion oprah = shun oprah?
<uhmeow> i had some sea bass with black bean sauce last night
<DocTechnical> it's our numnber one seller, sir...
<uhmeow> won't do that again
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: No? Not good?
<uhmeow> not from my local store, which usually has the best fish around
<uhmeow> maybe i just dont like sea bass.
<uhmeow> should try river bass, perhaps
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Ah. The fish was not good?
<uhmeow> only 2nd time i've had sb. first time with bb sauce. didnt like
it much without it either, maybe 10 years ago
<Dexter_Fong> We've been trying Northern Snakehead with Black bean
sauce...it eats the sauce before you can
<uhmeow> trying to expand my vocabulary of possible fish dishes before
departingfor europe in a few weeks
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Won't help much...they got all different names for
the fish we know
<uhmeow> i got a couple of books of food terms, one for italy, one for spain
<uhmeow> should help, perchance
<uhmeow> but the differnece between restaurants is greater than between
countries
* Dexter_Fong places arder for catfish Royale avec frommage
<klokwkdog> The Missouri Flying Carp restaurant: eat them before they
jump on you! This year's special: all you can eat buffet
<Dexter_Fong> ardor?
<Dexter_Fong> Bring your own net
* Dexter_Fong thinks he may have at the missouri Flying Carp et once
<DocTechnical> hey brian, i just sent you an email re a site issue you
should be aware of
<DocTechnical> please read asap
<uhmeow> i remember the hiroshima carp
<klokwkdog> Grass carp, bighead carp and the neurotic silver carp --
giant, prolific species all originally imported by catfish farmers in
Mississippi and Arkansas two decades ago to control detritus and
unwanted plant and animal life in their manmade ponds -- have escaped in
floods into the Mississippi, and have begun showing up as far north as
Iowa and Illinois
<DocTechnical> the mutant one?
<uhmeow> thought it was a funny name for a team.
<uhmeow> but not as funny as the Nippon Ham Fighters
<klokwkdog> http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/26/national/26CARP.html
<DocTechnical> cat: lol!!!! ham fighters - gotta love it!
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Nothing is as funny as the Nippon Ham Fighters
<uhmeow> funniest name for a sports team i ever heard
<bfwestley> ok doc
<klokwkdog> I wonder if the neurotic silver carp calm down if you throw
lots of Prozac in the water
<uhmeow> and though i lived in japan longer than i;'ve lived here, i
could never find a japanese person who understood why that was funny
<bfwestley> gotcha doc, doing it now
<klokwkdog> Always wanted to suggest that to CT after seeing the
"depressed storm drains" signs on the Merritt Parkway
<DocTechnical> thanks brian
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: It all in tlansation
<klokwkdog> it is very hard, sometimes, to explain humor to Japanese
<DocTechnical> they're not depressed, they're just a little down in the
dumps is all... :)
* Regnad_Kcin still needs to pilfer a "Speed Hump" sign
<uhmeow> a nation with no swear words is really the wrong place for me
to have spend 17 years
<Dexter_Fong> Unless of course, Klock, you speak Japanese
<uhmeow> i think the europeans swear creatively. or i
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: That true????
<uhmeow> 'll find out soon enough
<DocTechnical> much better brian
<uhmeow> as if i wouldnt fucking know?
<Dexter_Fong> Uh Cat: Last comment an answer tomy question?
<uhmeow> "swearing" is done by using inappropriate language, as opposed
to specific swear words. not calling you by your title would be
considered "swearing" in a japanese context.
<klokwkdog> coming out of NYC on the old Hutch, just past the I-287
split, the Parkway got really twisty and in night and rain, the storm drains
along there were positively treacherous. I used to stick in the left
lane and floor it.
<Dexter_Fong> You gotta love these traffic bulletins
<DocTechnical> y'know, with all the bandying about of expletives in
these logs, and what with the ez-read being a (more or less) "family
publication," i added code in my log-htmlizer program to stick asterisks
in the log expletives
<uhmeow> so you can't say, "fuck you" to anyone and have that translated
literally. but you can not bow deep enough or call someone by a more
familiar word than their position deserves, and they'll kill you. so it
balances out
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: What if instead of omitting title, you called the
dude an "excrement"?
<uhmeow> ez read for the japanese within us all
<klokwkdog> yeah, all those swords
<Regnad_Kcin> can't have tatoos and stay at a hotel either
<uhmeow> no, shit is not considered territory for insult.
<uhmeow> niether is sex
<bfwestley> doc, can .php files run out of the cgi dir?
<Regnad_Kcin> I should say, IF Michael Palin's around the world series
was truthful....
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Well wqouldn't then the use of those subjects be
highly inappropriate
<uhmeow> no religion as such, though you can call someone a beast,
"chiksha" meaning you'd go to a lower buddhist hell than humans
<DocTechnical> php files can run from anywhere, that's the beauty of them
<uhmeow> not at alll, dex.
<DocTechnical> although to be honest brian, i've never tried
<DocTechnical> let me test...
<Dexter_Fong> Shiksa....hmmmm?
<uhmeow> philip k hick?
<uhmeow> means something like hell, or damn
<bfwestley> but I mean the URL for it; if they're in whatsold/ , I can
run email.php out of that dir, but can I tell it ../../cgi/email.php?
<uhmeow> a buddhist thing, but then they're only tangentially buddhists
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: I'm aware that Japanese culture is waay different
mind set than ours...but I find that concept you brought up to be
*reallY* interesting
<klokwkdog> yeah, German has a polite pronoun and a familiar pronoun, so
"du" statt "sie" can be considered an insult, but it does not work if
the speaker otherwise mangles the language, indicating that they are
outside the set
<uhmeow> exactly, klok
<uhmeow> i suspect in italian too. i',l l soon find out
<Regnad_Kcin> wtf is Vermogensberatung then
<DocTechnical> actually brian, it looks like they can't run from the cgi
dir...
<uhmeow> i insulted the shit out of everybody by calling them by their
first names.
<uhmeow> we take what we can get!
<DocTechnical> they have to be in the html hierarchy...
<Dexter_Fong> Yeah Klock: But in German you can call someone a
"Scheisskopf" but not apparently in Japanese..or at least have it hold
the same dignificance
<klokwkdog> well, DF, both Chinese and Japanese cultures, as well as
many Asian ones have the concept of polite treachery. As in "we can
discuss the matter", which really means "NO!"
<DocTechnical> oh, i see your question now ... hang on brian, let me try
a couple of things
<uhmeow> shit is not a swear word. nor are any sexual expressions.
<bfwestley> ah well... but I can put the email list itself outside of
the html dir, which is about as good
<DocTechnical> yes... you could also, i imagine, invoke a perl script
from a php page
<uhmeow> in quebec french, the swear words used to be "la vierge" and
"tabernac" meaning a disparagement of mary and church which are oblivous
to non-french canadians
<Dexter_Fong> Klok: Underdtood, what I'm focused on is Cat's statement
"a Nation with no swear words"
<Regnad_Kcin> nite all
<klokwkdog> German is very close to our root culture; Asian cultures are
quite separate. Japan is very xenophobic and almost forcibly
homogenous, which results in bullying of little schoolkids for extremely
minor deviations from the norm. In fact, sort of like the supposed
mechanism for allergies (our bodies no longer have REAL germ enemies, so
they create them)...
<uhmeow> must belots of cultures like that, dex. or at least, once were
<klokwkdog> Nite RK...they seem to turn on...
<Dexter_Fong> Night Reg
<uhmeow> by regnad
<klokwkdog> ...other kids for no good reason
<DocTechnical> brian: you can use a fully-qualified path name in the php
fopen function, so yeah, you can put the email adrress file anywhere
<klokwkdog> One simply does not do that in Japan, I guess.
<bfwestley> yeah, I do that now; I want to make sure I find all the
occurrences so I don't break something
<klokwkdog> Doing it immediately puts one outside the culture. Either a
foreigner or insane.
<Dexter_Fong> Cat and Klok=): My understanding if "swear" words is that
they usually transgress some taboo; generally religious, sometimes
sexual, etc. Thus a nation that has no taboos in those areas in very
interesting
<Dexter_Fong> is very
<klokwkdog> It's not that, it's just that the expression that breaks
taboos goes right over our heads
<uhmeow> yeah, the taboos are not being like everybody else. much more
intense than defecation or procreation.
<uhmeow> getting beaten up for not having your sox at the right lenght
kinda thing
<klokwkdog> It's not so much swearing, but acting impolitely, and it
would require much study to discern when this is happening for a foreigner
<uhmeow> my daughter would wear her socks too low to school says "fuck
you" to the school system
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Yeah..I think I was kinda aware of that but just
didn't give it enough weight
<klokwkdog> Yeah, the "wild and crazy guys" come over here from Japan
and we can't tell them from the others.
<uhmeow> my point is linguistic. i was a language teacher for 31 years.
i was much more interested in what people said/wrote than how they
behaved. my cultural prejudice
<uhmeow> firesign have mined a lot of humour from japan. much more
relavently than from canada
<Dexter_Fong> Also: Lotsa Japanese in NYC now, lotsa young women...they
dress extremely provocatively...breaking with tradition?
<uhmeow> austin hanging out with japanese guys, working for jal in sf in
early 60s
<uhmeow> no, they want you to marry them so they dont have to go back to
japan
<uhmeow> my wife was one of them 28 years ago
<Dexter_Fong> iN nyc cAT?
<uhmeow> yep
<uhmeow> lived in queens
<uhmeow> married me here in van to keep from going back there
<uhmeow> but anything better than going back and marrying a japanese guy
<Dexter_Fong> lol
<klokwkdog> yeah, they're worse than the Brits
<uhmeow> hers was not an uncommon sentiment among those japanese youung
women who could afford to split, many of whom i taught in japane
specifically for that purpose
<uhmeow> anyway, that was 30 years ago. now its virtually ubiquitous.
<Dexter_Fong> Whoa!! A Yellow Slaver
<uhmeow> me yellow? i'm barely beige
<Dexter_Fong> This has been very interesting Cat, thank you =)
<DocTechnical> cat is a fount of perpetual revelation
<uhmeow> we plan to visit new york on our way to europe. hope to meet
you, dex. thank you for the red shift lines
<uhmeow> speaking of, a programme on tv last night about Rafi, kid's
singer. turns out he's a big buddy of the dalai lama.
<DocTechnical> cat: let me know ahead of time when that will be so i can
hook up w/you & f
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: You're most welcome, and I think you know my address,
should I send you my Phone #
<uhmeow> my pal steve huddart (whom doc and elayne know) is rafi's
spokesman these days
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: That annoying Rafi who sang "my dog Bingo" or
something like that
<DocTechnical> how's raffi doing these days?
<uhmeow> so that means that the real Dalai Lama himself willl hear You
and doc and BF and Tiny and everyone. dig that, eh!
<DocTechnical> wow
<uhmeow> richer than anyone should be, doc.
<uhmeow> and i know something about that
<DocTechnical> excepting mr. gates
<uhmeow> at least rafi really wants to help kids, unlike bill who wants
to help them buy a windows product
<Dexter_Fong> Who *would* be richer but fr the markt]
<Dexter_Fong> Sorry if I offended Cat, took me long time to be rid of
that song =))
<klokwkdog> I think Bill is still down the list from a few Saudi princes
<uhmeow> dex and doc, i dont mean going to europe in a few weeks, but
our next trip
<DocTechnical> cat: point well taken
<uhmeow> its ok, dex. i cant bear to hear a rafi tune. reminds me of how
much my daughter loved them
<Dexter_Fong> Different things...still =)
<DocTechnical> oh, i see - when you say "our next trip," ... do you have
a timetable in mind? i.e. next winter, spring, 2004, 2010 (a space idiocy)?
<uhmeow> didnt they pull all their money out of the us?
<klokwkdog> yeah, there are things like Rafi and Barney and Teletubbies
that we know or think help kids...and then there are things like John
Tesh that have no justification...
<Dexter_Fong> They putting in all back...real concerned about our
possible behavior
<uhmeow> i emailed you about that, doc. we're not sure, but the trip
next month will be a scouting expedition for what may be a permanent
trip, sooner rather than later
<klokwkdog> Only 200 billion, Cat; the rest is still here, tied up in
Harken Energy or some other CIA project
<Dexter_Fong> Klok: He put Red Rock on the map
<DocTechnical> ok, yes i recall you saying that now.
<klokwkdog> Yeah, a whole bunch of people wrote the Air Force asking
them to re-target our ICBMs from the middle of the ocean...
<klokwkdog> (it's all coming back to him like...)
<DocTechnical> i gotta go, long final workday of the week tomorrow,
prior to labor day weekend... much to do, am very burnt out, must get
some sleep now.
<DocTechnical> nytol (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............
<klokwkdog> say hi to Lili!
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<Dexter_Fong> Night Doc, hope you get some down tim this weekend
<klokwkdog> or say lili to Hi...!
<uhmeow> by doc
<Dexter_Fong> that's low
<uhmeow> its after 12 in your land
<Dexter_Fong> Yes indeed
<klokwkdog> ah, the controller just turned off the vestibule lamp, fair
warning that I, too, should attend to Other Matters
<uhmeow> off you attend, klok
<bfwestley> bye doc
<Dexter_Fong> How's that robotic house going klok?
<klokwkdog> 'tis Late
<klokwkdog> slowly getting reprogrammed to reflect my more constant presence
<Dexter_Fong> The house?
<klokwkdog> I made the lights track dusk more aggressively, for ezzample
<Dexter_Fong> Whokay.....
<klokwkdog> well, the controller...I have noticed that the floors creak and
groan differently now that I sleep here more
* Dexter_Fong sings Ground cntrol to Mjor Klok
<klokwkdog> well, they were waiting 30 minutes to come on, which is OK
if I'm not here much of the time, but darned annoying when I am
<Dexter_Fong> The Devil is in the details, Klok
<uhmeow> no, the devil is in paul krassner
<uhmeow> and rented, too
<klokwkdog> we also went thru the Solstice, and days are getting
shorter. the controller tracks that, but it's piecewise using coarse
steps, so over a week or two, it falls behind and the days are now getting
shorter , so that and waiting 30 min. is quite noticeable.
<Dexter_Fong> I saw him behind the Green Door
<Dexter_Fong> Okay Klok...You don't have to shout
<uhmeow> i've been listening to his new CD throughout irc.
<klokwkdog> we also went thru the Solstice, and days are getting
shorter. the controller tracks that, but it's piecewise using coarse
steps, so over a week or two, it falls behind and the days are now getting
shorter , so that and waiting 30 min. is quite noticeable.
<Dexter_Fong> Krasner's?
<uhmeow> yep
<uhmeow> it's called Irony Lives
<klokwkdog> sorry, got the underline and italics out of ordnung
<uhmeow> in mail today
<Dexter_Fong> Thank you Klok =))
<uhmeow> not a small amount of repitition, but still utterly hilarious
<klokwkdog> it is a fine line
<uhmeow> i interviewed him for Adbusters in i think 94 by fax, then met
him in la in 95, he contributed a joke for Neal Amid in 97 and we've
been in touch through the years
<klokwkdog> sometimes, you know exactly what is being set up and it STILL kills you
<Dexter_Fong> An old lower east side NYC guy
<klokwkdog> other times, you want to kill the performer(s), have them
stop or get away, go anywhere
<uhmeow> stilll is, though he lives in the desert now
<uhmeow> he just bought his first house, and he's older than YOU, dex
<klokwkdog> until today, the whole Northeast could qualify for that, Cat
<uhmeow> (70, i think)
<Dexter_Fong> That's the area south of Delancey strret...The Desert
<klokwkdog> that's older than anyone's ever been before!
<uhmeow> i intend to live longer than that
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: That *is* older than me....thank whom
<uhmeow> as if i have some sort of control
<Dexter_Fong> Go Cat! Go
<klokwkdog> North of Delancey being The Just Desert?
<uhmeow> he had his first concert in carnegie hall in 1936, the year
ossman was born
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: If klok can control his whole house...should be simple
<klokwkdog> I wouldn't mind leaving early if I could come back if I
didn't like it...
<Dexter_Fong> Paul Krasner had a concert in Carnegie Hall????
<uhmeow> 4 year old violinist.
<uhmeow> read his autobiography
<Dexter_Fong> I did not know that
<klokwkdog> Yeah, Ash, I had a real drawn-out heart to heart with the
house last week. Especially the plumbing. I said, "This is your last
chance."
<Dexter_Fong> You threatened to dump the plumbing?
<klokwkdog> I do that all the time
<Dexter_Fong> I understand...that bathroom echo...we all sound good there
<klokwkdog> No, I just tried to get it to behave, shape up. Stop
bugging me.
<Dexter_Fong> You got copper pipes Klok?
<klokwkdog> Kind of a mongrel, DF
<klokwkdog> some plastic, some copper, some ?
<Dexter_Fong> Curs it'
<Dexter_Fong> Hey... watcha gonna do...go outside?
<klokwkdog> Well, not enough time
<Dexter_Fong> Right...so...
<klokwkdog> there is the plumbing, the roof, the moulding, the doors.
it is just a real circus keeping them all in line and working together.
but the plumbing certainly does no play well with the other children.
<bfwestley> gotta go...bye
<uhmeow> were you hear?
<Dexter_Fong> Night VB
<klokwkdog> truth be told, I occasionally use a bucket
<klokwkdog> bye bfw
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<Dexter_Fong> Tell the truth...but sparingly
<klokwkdog> for awhile and pour it on one of the ornamentals I'm worried
about.
<uhmeow> regnad still here?
<klokwkdog> we are having a drought and I had to chop about 50% of the
limbs off last month. it's very unhappy. I figured it would be a treet.
<Dexter_Fong> Im getting on out of here...Night Cat, Klok and I guess
that's it
<uhmeow> jack of speed the only good song s.dan did since they re-coagulated
<uhmeow> by dex
<uhmeow> dex=speed
<klokwkdog> seemed to like it
<klokwkdog> nite Ash
<uhmeow> guess that's it
<uhmeow> off we explode
<klokwkdog> nite Cat; I'm going to pack it in; the beer is gone
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<klokwkdog> yep, shall we then?
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to this.
<kend^> good comedy is like that. take something ordinary and make it
special AND funny. it's a rare talent
<uhmeow> carlin and lenny, but neither had the combination historical
cultural background as well as today's news
<kend^> i've not had a lot of exposure to bruce, but george is one of my
favorites
<uhmeow> great stuff
<kend^> well, i think i'm going to call it quits. will stay connected
for log purposes, but i'm going to bed. later, dear friends
<Regnad_Kcin> ah, my favorite is Bill Hicks
<Regnad_Kcin> very funny, died too young
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<klokwkdog> nope, many Scandanavian countries are now working on
switching gov't s/w to Linux, Ken
<klokwkdog> yeah, last week FST was a mixed bag, Ken. but it was nice
they got a Gig
<klokwkdog> nite ken
<Regnad_Kcin> l8r kend
<uhmeow> by kend
<uhmeow> the people who make the antivirus software are sending out the
viruses in the first place
<uhmeow> krassner on Conspiracy Zone
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<DocTechnical> back, but not for long - it's been a very long week and
I've amassed a bit of a sleep debt
<uhmeow> the annual chamber of commerce meeting, to debate the town's motto
<Dexter_Fong> I'm Down! I'm Down! Thank God amighty, Dear Friends I'm down!!
<uhmeow> i havent heard from you in a long time doc, i assumed yhou were
busy
<Dexter_Fong> I'm split! I'm split! Curse the Devil, dear frioends I'm split
<DocTechnical> dex, you just got connected? sorry you had so much trouble
<uhmeow> i really have to get some stuff together computer=wise before
we go to sask, and then to europe the week thereafter
<Dexter_Fong> Hi Doc
<DocTechnical> yeah cat, i've been up to my neck in office work (as well
as fst site work) this week
<uhmeow> i can imagine
<Dexter_Fong> Thanks DT =), I'm sure you had nothing to do with it
<DocTechnical> i tried loggin in a little after 8:30, did not get in
until after 9 (edt)
<klokwkdog> hey Doc, Ash, other strags.
<DocTechnical> dealing with irc felt very much like my drive to work
this morning on i-95
<Dexter_Fong> Hey Brian
<Dexter_Fong> and Cat, and fellow stranglers
<klokwkdog> computer=wise is oxy=moron?
<klokwkdog> getting ready for your SAT?
<DocTechnical> heavy rain resulted in numerous fenderbenders, traffic
was a crawl
<DocTechnical> 20 miles in 55 mins
<DocTechnical> the cat sat on the mat
<klokwkdog> yankees forgot what rain is like. wait until it snows the
first time
<Dexter_Fong> Whooooo! That's slower thn anybodies been gone for awhile
<DocTechnical> klok: you got that right
<bfwestley> I'm doing things, so I haven't been seeing much...
<Dexter_Fong> Mets too
<uhmeow> i sat on lots of mats
<Dexter_Fong> To do is to see
<uhmeow> 17 years in nihon
<klokwkdog> I haven't been doing much; still didn't see anything ;-))
<klokwkdog> Job Lot had a mat sale tonight; you'd be in 7th heavin Cat
<Dexter_Fong> I've seen fire and I've seen rain
<Dexter_Fong> Heavin'?
<DocTechnical> so the talk re defense against large meteor heading
towards earth is the deployment of a big airbag
<Dexter_Fong> My cat always heaves on the sofa
<klokwkdog> they must have closed down another mill and sent the
half-blind teenage immigrants out into the cold, wet rain we're having
(finally)
<DocTechnical> ...so, what recourse do you have if the airbag fails to
inflate in time?
<klokwkdog> connect it to Congress, no chance of that
<Dexter_Fong> Get under your desk?
<DocTechnical> meteor survivor: "i would've sued lockheed but they,
along with most of civilization, was wiped out..."
<klokwkdog> I thought the big problem was attacks by sharks infected
with West Nile Virus
<uhmeow> i left my place to walk up 1 mile up hill to the library. when
i left i needed my shades. 4 blocks later, it was raining cats and dogs.
thankfully i had an umbrella, unlike totally surprised everybody else.
then i got to the library and i needed my shades again
<klokwkdog> LOL
<Dexter_Fong> Least you had company Cat
<klokwkdog> so no one at the desk would recognize you, the infamous
overdue fine king?
<DocTechnical> "the weather today: bright and sunny, with brief periods
of monsoon..."
<Regnad_Kcin> you live in Malaysia Doc?
<uhmeow> i was the only person not ducking into the library for cover. i
actually wanted some books
<DocTechnical> No, but apparently vancouver resembled malaysia for a
brief period of time today
<DocTechnical> "sorry, we're all out of books - perhaps we can interest
you in this umbrella..."
<uhmeow> keseyh's ad for corn starch for his balls, from the whole earth
catalogue
<uhmeow> what he'll remember him most for
<Dexter_Fong> Tech Inquiry: After not being able to connect thru usual
dal.net addresses..I just typed in a server number but changed the last
digit and Viola! what's up with that?
<uhmeow> a neighbour of krassner's came over and asked to borrow a cup
of acid
<Dexter_Fong> I know that guy..Al Kaline, right?
<DocTechnical> dex: kend^ said earlier that he checked dalnet stats,
there are (or were at 9pm edt) 75,000 people logged in...
<DocTechnical> i think that may be more than usual
<uhmeow> keseys on the bus drivin by neal in the sky
<Dexter_Fong> Right Doc..but how come when I picked my own server number
It let me in?
<uhmeow> k's grandaughter wonders, who will teach us to hypnotise
chickens now?
<DocTechnical> my bet is that a lot of teens were chatting amongst their
friends, plotting world domination or what they plan to do during the
holiday weekend...
<DocTechnical> ...or perhaps both.
<DocTechnical> dex: i don't know the answer - if i were to venture a
guess i'd say: you hit the server lottery
<uhmeow> krass at cannabis cup, couldnt wait to come back to the states
and not smoke dope for a while
<DocTechnical> i think when you don't specify a server number (as when
you just select "connect" from the mIRC menu), it picks a valid server #
at random and tried ot connect...
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Was the Cup played on grass this year?
<DocTechnical> when that fails, it just picks another one
<DocTechnical> which server # did you give it - the one that got you in?
<uhmeow> i'll have to visit one year and find out
<Dexter_Fong> Doc: I used 65.122.105.1...it had been giving me the first
3 groups but the final number was either 2 or 3
<Dexter_Fong> I outsmarted the sumbitch =))
<DocTechnical> i'm willing to bet that 65.122.105.1 is irc.dal.net - but
don't quote me on that
<DocTechnical> when mIRC can't connect to irc.dal.net, it assumes it's
filled and tries one of the "lesset" ip addresses
<DocTechnical> "lesser"
<Dexter_Fong> Yeah DOc, it is but it stopped using the final digit "1"
after 'bout an hour and only used "2" or "3"
<Dexter_Fong> Anyway..finally got here...but no log from the Fong
<DocTechnical> there's also the port number issue - i think port
numberes are 6660-6669, 7001, 7002
<Dexter_Fong> Doc: You've just lost me in the dust....
<DocTechnical> when mIRC tries to connect to dalnet, it uses both an ip
address and a port number...
<DocTechnical> for example, after the umpteenth attempt to connect
tonight, mIRC got through to dalnet via ip 65.122.105.3, port 6661
* Dexter_Fong peers out port hole in vain attempt to follow Doc T's wake
<Dexter_Fong> DT: You can add the port number yourself?
<uhmeow> any of you know lonnie liston smith album "expansions?"
<DocTechnical> if you ever want to force the port as well as the server
#, connect via: /server 65.122.105.x:pppp (where x is 1, 2 or 3 and pppp
is one of 6660-6669, 7001, 7002)
<uhmeow> mid 70s i think
<DocTechnical> separate the port from the ip with a colon
<DocTechnical> or a spleen if you're particularly angry
<uhmeow> powell?
<Dexter_Fong> lol
<uhmeow> still has all the dead in my lai stuffed in his colon
<uhmeow> no wonder he's so full of shit
<DocTechnical> what, my lai?
<klokwkdog> that's GENERAL Powell to you, son
<uhmeow> give him the truth serum
<Dexter_Fong> Least CP is not plumping for Iraq invasion
<DocTechnical> i cannot tell a lie - heh, just lyin' ...
<klokwkdog> make him SEE the LIGHT
<uhmeow> krassner points out the irony of him being portrayed as the
"good guy" now
<klokwkdog> yeah, the guys who will actually do it are suddenly quite
unenthusiastic
<Dexter_Fong> It's all relative, Cat. Todays heroes are tomorrows
villains and vice versa
<uhmeow> he was in charge of the cover up of my lai, and fought
clinton's gays in military plans, saying soldiers would be uncomfortable
being in a barracks with gays.
<uhmeow> as if they weren't with "blacks" in colon's day
<Dexter_Fong> I was just uncomfortable in the barracks period
<uhmeow> peter bergman's riff on the chicago 7 up, it's a wheel, first
julius hoffman's on top, than abbey, than julius, etc
<DocTechnical> yeah, no room service
<Dexter_Fong> Yeah Cat, remember PB's riff
<DocTechnical> we're on the wheel again
<uhmeow> bergman anxd austin have great riffs on their army life on an
hour hour show
<Dexter_Fong> I found Army life to be 2 years of wierdness
<DocTechnical> 2 weird
<Dexter_Fong> But funny as hell sometimes
<uhmeow> yeah butr you're not austin and bergman
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Well true, and they're not me either =))
<uhmeow> is that a good thing?
<Dexter_Fong> That's life....that's what people say...
<DocTechnical> has anyone read austin's latest fireblog entry? he talks
about how, by the time of dwarf, he came to the realization that the
group writing material had to come of of what was happening (or had
happened) in their lives
<Dexter_Fong> Drafted in December...discharged in may
<DocTechnical> ...come OUT of...
<DocTechnical> (sorry)
<uhmeow> i dont have theblog address, doc. is it on the whats new
firesign website, bf would know but he's only virtually here
<klokwkdog> a May-December romance, eh?
<DocTechnical> go to the firesigntheatre.com home page, click the
firesign weblog link therein (you can also click the little image of the
newspaper kiosk)
[klokwkdog SOUND]
<bfwestley> fst.com/cgi/wlv.cgi
<DocTechnical> wright... er, write... er...
<uhmeow> brothers, where art thou?
<uhmeow> thouse?
<DocTechnical> actually, a clickable link in the ez-read log:
<DocTechnical> http://www.firesigntheatre.com/cgi/wlv.cgi
<uhmeow> thanks, doc
<DocTechnical> (wlv = web log viewer)
<uhmeow> listening to the We are There from Duckman, followed by Ghetto
Hilights on the Saska CD
<uhmeow> never heard it before without the visual
<uhmeow> how's Lili, Doc?
<Dexter_Fong> Klock: You're very intermittant tonight
<DocTechnical> out like a light right now, cat
<uhmeow> that can be good
<Dexter_Fong> DT: Sh get that car thing done?
<DocTechnical> i used to be intermittent but i changed my religious
affiliation
<DocTechnical> dex: she's having the work done this week, the repair
shop set her up with a loaner through mid-week next week
<Regnad_Kcin> Progressive Universal Life Church is not a valid denomination
<Dexter_Fong> So no new car huh?
<Regnad_Kcin> tho for $20 you too can marry people and perform death rights
<klokwkdog> intermittend? I was jawing with RK on Geek matters
<DocTechnical> dex: no, she is keeping her acura - damage was only
cosmetic and she loves it too much
<uhmeow> robert kennedy?
<Dexter_Fong> Ah.....Jawohl mein Schnifter
<DocTechnical> it's all geek to me (but this comes as no surprise)
<Dexter_Fong> Opah!!!!
<uhmeow> Sesame?
<DocTechnical> (oprah?)
* Dexter_Fong throws Kosher dinnerware onto dance floor
<klokwkdog> Lord of the Seeds!
<Dexter_Fong> Opera
<uhmeow> that right wing hooey sure stank up the joint
<Dexter_Fong> tion
<uhmeow> sounds like marc emory
* Dexter_Fong Places order to go for Right Wing Hooey with Black Bean Sauce
<DocTechnical> tion oprah = shun oprah?
<uhmeow> i had some sea bass with black bean sauce last night
<DocTechnical> it's our numnber one seller, sir...
<uhmeow> won't do that again
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: No? Not good?
<uhmeow> not from my local store, which usually has the best fish around
<uhmeow> maybe i just dont like sea bass.
<uhmeow> should try river bass, perhaps
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Ah. The fish was not good?
<uhmeow> only 2nd time i've had sb. first time with bb sauce. didnt like
it much without it either, maybe 10 years ago
<Dexter_Fong> We've been trying Northern Snakehead with Black bean
sauce...it eats the sauce before you can
<uhmeow> trying to expand my vocabulary of possible fish dishes before
departingfor europe in a few weeks
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Won't help much...they got all different names for
the fish we know
<uhmeow> i got a couple of books of food terms, one for italy, one for spain
<uhmeow> should help, perchance
<uhmeow> but the differnece between restaurants is greater than between
countries
* Dexter_Fong places arder for catfish Royale avec frommage
<klokwkdog> The Missouri Flying Carp restaurant: eat them before they
jump on you! This year's special: all you can eat buffet
<Dexter_Fong> ardor?
<Dexter_Fong> Bring your own net
* Dexter_Fong thinks he may have at the missouri Flying Carp et once
<DocTechnical> hey brian, i just sent you an email re a site issue you
should be aware of
<DocTechnical> please read asap
<uhmeow> i remember the hiroshima carp
<klokwkdog> Grass carp, bighead carp and the neurotic silver carp --
giant, prolific species all originally imported by catfish farmers in
Mississippi and Arkansas two decades ago to control detritus and
unwanted plant and animal life in their manmade ponds -- have escaped in
floods into the Mississippi, and have begun showing up as far north as
Iowa and Illinois
<DocTechnical> the mutant one?
<uhmeow> thought it was a funny name for a team.
<uhmeow> but not as funny as the Nippon Ham Fighters
<klokwkdog> http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/26/national/26CARP.html
<DocTechnical> cat: lol!!!! ham fighters - gotta love it!
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Nothing is as funny as the Nippon Ham Fighters
<uhmeow> funniest name for a sports team i ever heard
<bfwestley> ok doc
<klokwkdog> I wonder if the neurotic silver carp calm down if you throw
lots of Prozac in the water
<uhmeow> and though i lived in japan longer than i;'ve lived here, i
could never find a japanese person who understood why that was funny
<bfwestley> gotcha doc, doing it now
<klokwkdog> Always wanted to suggest that to CT after seeing the
"depressed storm drains" signs on the Merritt Parkway
<DocTechnical> thanks brian
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: It all in tlansation
<klokwkdog> it is very hard, sometimes, to explain humor to Japanese
<DocTechnical> they're not depressed, they're just a little down in the
dumps is all... :)
* Regnad_Kcin still needs to pilfer a "Speed Hump" sign
<uhmeow> a nation with no swear words is really the wrong place for me
to have spend 17 years
<Dexter_Fong> Unless of course, Klock, you speak Japanese
<uhmeow> i think the europeans swear creatively. or i
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: That true????
<uhmeow> 'll find out soon enough
<DocTechnical> much better brian
<uhmeow> as if i wouldnt fucking know?
<Dexter_Fong> Uh Cat: Last comment an answer tomy question?
<uhmeow> "swearing" is done by using inappropriate language, as opposed
to specific swear words. not calling you by your title would be
considered "swearing" in a japanese context.
<klokwkdog> coming out of NYC on the old Hutch, just past the I-287
split, the Parkway got really twisty and in night and rain, the storm drains
along there were positively treacherous. I used to stick in the left
lane and floor it.
<Dexter_Fong> You gotta love these traffic bulletins
<DocTechnical> y'know, with all the bandying about of expletives in
these logs, and what with the ez-read being a (more or less) "family
publication," i added code in my log-htmlizer program to stick asterisks
in the log expletives
<uhmeow> so you can't say, "fuck you" to anyone and have that translated
literally. but you can not bow deep enough or call someone by a more
familiar word than their position deserves, and they'll kill you. so it
balances out
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: What if instead of omitting title, you called the
dude an "excrement"?
<uhmeow> ez read for the japanese within us all
<klokwkdog> yeah, all those swords
<Regnad_Kcin> can't have tatoos and stay at a hotel either
<uhmeow> no, shit is not considered territory for insult.
<uhmeow> niether is sex
<bfwestley> doc, can .php files run out of the cgi dir?
<Regnad_Kcin> I should say, IF Michael Palin's around the world series
was truthful....
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Well wqouldn't then the use of those subjects be
highly inappropriate
<uhmeow> no religion as such, though you can call someone a beast,
"chiksha" meaning you'd go to a lower buddhist hell than humans
<DocTechnical> php files can run from anywhere, that's the beauty of them
<uhmeow> not at alll, dex.
<DocTechnical> although to be honest brian, i've never tried
<DocTechnical> let me test...
<Dexter_Fong> Shiksa....hmmmm?
<uhmeow> philip k hick?
<uhmeow> means something like hell, or damn
<bfwestley> but I mean the URL for it; if they're in whatsold/ , I can
run email.php out of that dir, but can I tell it ../../cgi/email.php?
<uhmeow> a buddhist thing, but then they're only tangentially buddhists
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: I'm aware that Japanese culture is waay different
mind set than ours...but I find that concept you brought up to be
*reallY* interesting
<klokwkdog> yeah, German has a polite pronoun and a familiar pronoun, so
"du" statt "sie" can be considered an insult, but it does not work if
the speaker otherwise mangles the language, indicating that they are
outside the set
<uhmeow> exactly, klok
<uhmeow> i suspect in italian too. i',l l soon find out
<Regnad_Kcin> wtf is Vermogensberatung then
<DocTechnical> actually brian, it looks like they can't run from the cgi
dir...
<uhmeow> i insulted the shit out of everybody by calling them by their
first names.
<uhmeow> we take what we can get!
<DocTechnical> they have to be in the html hierarchy...
<Dexter_Fong> Yeah Klock: But in German you can call someone a
"Scheisskopf" but not apparently in Japanese..or at least have it hold
the same dignificance
<klokwkdog> well, DF, both Chinese and Japanese cultures, as well as
many Asian ones have the concept of polite treachery. As in "we can
discuss the matter", which really means "NO!"
<DocTechnical> oh, i see your question now ... hang on brian, let me try
a couple of things
<uhmeow> shit is not a swear word. nor are any sexual expressions.
<bfwestley> ah well... but I can put the email list itself outside of
the html dir, which is about as good
<DocTechnical> yes... you could also, i imagine, invoke a perl script
from a php page
<uhmeow> in quebec french, the swear words used to be "la vierge" and
"tabernac" meaning a disparagement of mary and church which are oblivous
to non-french canadians
<Dexter_Fong> Klok: Underdtood, what I'm focused on is Cat's statement
"a Nation with no swear words"
<Regnad_Kcin> nite all
<klokwkdog> German is very close to our root culture; Asian cultures are
quite separate. Japan is very xenophobic and almost forcibly
homogenous, which results in bullying of little schoolkids for extremely
minor deviations from the norm. In fact, sort of like the supposed
mechanism for allergies (our bodies no longer have REAL germ enemies, so
they create them)...
<uhmeow> must belots of cultures like that, dex. or at least, once were
<klokwkdog> Nite RK...they seem to turn on...
<Dexter_Fong> Night Reg
<uhmeow> by regnad
<klokwkdog> ...other kids for no good reason
<DocTechnical> brian: you can use a fully-qualified path name in the php
fopen function, so yeah, you can put the email adrress file anywhere
<klokwkdog> One simply does not do that in Japan, I guess.
<bfwestley> yeah, I do that now; I want to make sure I find all the
occurrences so I don't break something
<klokwkdog> Doing it immediately puts one outside the culture. Either a
foreigner or insane.
<Dexter_Fong> Cat and Klok=): My understanding if "swear" words is that
they usually transgress some taboo; generally religious, sometimes
sexual, etc. Thus a nation that has no taboos in those areas in very
interesting
<Dexter_Fong> is very
<klokwkdog> It's not that, it's just that the expression that breaks
taboos goes right over our heads
<uhmeow> yeah, the taboos are not being like everybody else. much more
intense than defecation or procreation.
<uhmeow> getting beaten up for not having your sox at the right lenght
kinda thing
<klokwkdog> It's not so much swearing, but acting impolitely, and it
would require much study to discern when this is happening for a foreigner
<uhmeow> my daughter would wear her socks too low to school says "fuck
you" to the school system
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Yeah..I think I was kinda aware of that but just
didn't give it enough weight
<klokwkdog> Yeah, the "wild and crazy guys" come over here from Japan
and we can't tell them from the others.
<uhmeow> my point is linguistic. i was a language teacher for 31 years.
i was much more interested in what people said/wrote than how they
behaved. my cultural prejudice
<uhmeow> firesign have mined a lot of humour from japan. much more
relavently than from canada
<Dexter_Fong> Also: Lotsa Japanese in NYC now, lotsa young women...they
dress extremely provocatively...breaking with tradition?
<uhmeow> austin hanging out with japanese guys, working for jal in sf in
early 60s
<uhmeow> no, they want you to marry them so they dont have to go back to
japan
<uhmeow> my wife was one of them 28 years ago
<Dexter_Fong> iN nyc cAT?
<uhmeow> yep
<uhmeow> lived in queens
<uhmeow> married me here in van to keep from going back there
<uhmeow> but anything better than going back and marrying a japanese guy
<Dexter_Fong> lol
<klokwkdog> yeah, they're worse than the Brits
<uhmeow> hers was not an uncommon sentiment among those japanese youung
women who could afford to split, many of whom i taught in japane
specifically for that purpose
<uhmeow> anyway, that was 30 years ago. now its virtually ubiquitous.
<Dexter_Fong> Whoa!! A Yellow Slaver
<uhmeow> me yellow? i'm barely beige
<Dexter_Fong> This has been very interesting Cat, thank you =)
<DocTechnical> cat is a fount of perpetual revelation
<uhmeow> we plan to visit new york on our way to europe. hope to meet
you, dex. thank you for the red shift lines
<uhmeow> speaking of, a programme on tv last night about Rafi, kid's
singer. turns out he's a big buddy of the dalai lama.
<DocTechnical> cat: let me know ahead of time when that will be so i can
hook up w/you & f
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: You're most welcome, and I think you know my address,
should I send you my Phone #
<uhmeow> my pal steve huddart (whom doc and elayne know) is rafi's
spokesman these days
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: That annoying Rafi who sang "my dog Bingo" or
something like that
<DocTechnical> how's raffi doing these days?
<uhmeow> so that means that the real Dalai Lama himself willl hear You
and doc and BF and Tiny and everyone. dig that, eh!
<DocTechnical> wow
<uhmeow> richer than anyone should be, doc.
<uhmeow> and i know something about that
<DocTechnical> excepting mr. gates
<uhmeow> at least rafi really wants to help kids, unlike bill who wants
to help them buy a windows product
<Dexter_Fong> Who *would* be richer but fr the markt]
<Dexter_Fong> Sorry if I offended Cat, took me long time to be rid of
that song =))
<klokwkdog> I think Bill is still down the list from a few Saudi princes
<uhmeow> dex and doc, i dont mean going to europe in a few weeks, but
our next trip
<DocTechnical> cat: point well taken
<uhmeow> its ok, dex. i cant bear to hear a rafi tune. reminds me of how
much my daughter loved them
<Dexter_Fong> Different things...still =)
<DocTechnical> oh, i see - when you say "our next trip," ... do you have
a timetable in mind? i.e. next winter, spring, 2004, 2010 (a space idiocy)?
<uhmeow> didnt they pull all their money out of the us?
<klokwkdog> yeah, there are things like Rafi and Barney and Teletubbies
that we know or think help kids...and then there are things like John
Tesh that have no justification...
<Dexter_Fong> They putting in all back...real concerned about our
possible behavior
<uhmeow> i emailed you about that, doc. we're not sure, but the trip
next month will be a scouting expedition for what may be a permanent
trip, sooner rather than later
<klokwkdog> Only 200 billion, Cat; the rest is still here, tied up in
Harken Energy or some other CIA project
<Dexter_Fong> Klok: He put Red Rock on the map
<DocTechnical> ok, yes i recall you saying that now.
<klokwkdog> Yeah, a whole bunch of people wrote the Air Force asking
them to re-target our ICBMs from the middle of the ocean...
<klokwkdog> (it's all coming back to him like...)
<DocTechnical> i gotta go, long final workday of the week tomorrow,
prior to labor day weekend... much to do, am very burnt out, must get
some sleep now.
<DocTechnical> nytol (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...............
<klokwkdog> say hi to Lili!
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<Dexter_Fong> Night Doc, hope you get some down tim this weekend
<klokwkdog> or say lili to Hi...!
<uhmeow> by doc
<Dexter_Fong> that's low
<uhmeow> its after 12 in your land
<Dexter_Fong> Yes indeed
<klokwkdog> ah, the controller just turned off the vestibule lamp, fair
warning that I, too, should attend to Other Matters
<uhmeow> off you attend, klok
<bfwestley> bye doc
<Dexter_Fong> How's that robotic house going klok?
<klokwkdog> 'tis Late
<klokwkdog> slowly getting reprogrammed to reflect my more constant presence
<Dexter_Fong> The house?
<klokwkdog> I made the lights track dusk more aggressively, for ezzample
<Dexter_Fong> Whokay.....
<klokwkdog> well, the controller...I have noticed that the floors creak and
groan differently now that I sleep here more
* Dexter_Fong sings Ground cntrol to Mjor Klok
<klokwkdog> well, they were waiting 30 minutes to come on, which is OK
if I'm not here much of the time, but darned annoying when I am
<Dexter_Fong> The Devil is in the details, Klok
<uhmeow> no, the devil is in paul krassner
<uhmeow> and rented, too
<klokwkdog> we also went thru the Solstice, and days are getting
shorter. the controller tracks that, but it's piecewise using coarse
steps, so over a week or two, it falls behind and the days are now getting
shorter , so that and waiting 30 min. is quite noticeable.
<Dexter_Fong> I saw him behind the Green Door
<Dexter_Fong> Okay Klok...You don't have to shout
<uhmeow> i've been listening to his new CD throughout irc.
<klokwkdog> we also went thru the Solstice, and days are getting
shorter. the controller tracks that, but it's piecewise using coarse
steps, so over a week or two, it falls behind and the days are now getting
shorter , so that and waiting 30 min. is quite noticeable.
<Dexter_Fong> Krasner's?
<uhmeow> yep
<uhmeow> it's called Irony Lives
<klokwkdog> sorry, got the underline and italics out of ordnung
<uhmeow> in mail today
<Dexter_Fong> Thank you Klok =))
<uhmeow> not a small amount of repitition, but still utterly hilarious
<klokwkdog> it is a fine line
<uhmeow> i interviewed him for Adbusters in i think 94 by fax, then met
him in la in 95, he contributed a joke for Neal Amid in 97 and we've
been in touch through the years
<klokwkdog> sometimes, you know exactly what is being set up and it STILL kills you
<Dexter_Fong> An old lower east side NYC guy
<klokwkdog> other times, you want to kill the performer(s), have them
stop or get away, go anywhere
<uhmeow> stilll is, though he lives in the desert now
<uhmeow> he just bought his first house, and he's older than YOU, dex
<klokwkdog> until today, the whole Northeast could qualify for that, Cat
<uhmeow> (70, i think)
<Dexter_Fong> That's the area south of Delancey strret...The Desert
<klokwkdog> that's older than anyone's ever been before!
<uhmeow> i intend to live longer than that
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: That *is* older than me....thank whom
<uhmeow> as if i have some sort of control
<Dexter_Fong> Go Cat! Go
<klokwkdog> North of Delancey being The Just Desert?
<uhmeow> he had his first concert in carnegie hall in 1936, the year
ossman was born
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: If klok can control his whole house...should be simple
<klokwkdog> I wouldn't mind leaving early if I could come back if I
didn't like it...
<Dexter_Fong> Paul Krasner had a concert in Carnegie Hall????
<uhmeow> 4 year old violinist.
<uhmeow> read his autobiography
<Dexter_Fong> I did not know that
<klokwkdog> Yeah, Ash, I had a real drawn-out heart to heart with the
house last week. Especially the plumbing. I said, "This is your last
chance."
<Dexter_Fong> You threatened to dump the plumbing?
<klokwkdog> I do that all the time
<Dexter_Fong> I understand...that bathroom echo...we all sound good there
<klokwkdog> No, I just tried to get it to behave, shape up. Stop
bugging me.
<Dexter_Fong> You got copper pipes Klok?
<klokwkdog> Kind of a mongrel, DF
<klokwkdog> some plastic, some copper, some ?
<Dexter_Fong> Curs it'
<Dexter_Fong> Hey... watcha gonna do...go outside?
<klokwkdog> Well, not enough time
<Dexter_Fong> Right...so...
<klokwkdog> there is the plumbing, the roof, the moulding, the doors.
it is just a real circus keeping them all in line and working together.
but the plumbing certainly does no play well with the other children.
<bfwestley> gotta go...bye
<uhmeow> were you hear?
<Dexter_Fong> Night VB
<klokwkdog> truth be told, I occasionally use a bucket
<klokwkdog> bye bfw
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<Dexter_Fong> Tell the truth...but sparingly
<klokwkdog> for awhile and pour it on one of the ornamentals I'm worried
about.
<uhmeow> regnad still here?
<klokwkdog> we are having a drought and I had to chop about 50% of the
limbs off last month. it's very unhappy. I figured it would be a treet.
<Dexter_Fong> Im getting on out of here...Night Cat, Klok and I guess
that's it
<uhmeow> jack of speed the only good song s.dan did since they re-coagulated
<uhmeow> by dex
<uhmeow> dex=speed
<klokwkdog> seemed to like it
<klokwkdog> nite Ash
<uhmeow> guess that's it
<uhmeow> off we explode
<klokwkdog> nite Cat; I'm going to pack it in; the beer is gone
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<klokwkdog> yep, shall we then?
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