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<uhmeow> well, all ads are
<uhmeow> the ads in Dwarf most carfully structuered into the disc, perchance
<Dexter_Fong> I share Bunny's view...I try to appreciate each piece of
work on it's own
<uhmeow> they were always into commercial parodies, from before being
the firesign theatre
<Bunnyboy> I remember, years ago, a fellow Firesign fan giving a quick
listen to GIVE ME A BREAK (P & B), and commenting that Phil and Pete
seemed to be recycling some old FST ideas. Still loved it, though.
<kend^> it's such a rich field from which to harvest, ad agencies are
great at making "parody-able" commercials
<uhmeow> how did the topic come up? i just stumbled into it, and always
delighted to be talking about The Firesign Theatre on alt.firesign IRC!
<uhmeow> thats why adbusters has been such a hit, kend
<Dexter_Fong> "And we'll be right back after this commercial interuption"
<uhmeow> i was writing ads that were parodies of other ads in 1958/9
<Bunnyboy> All old, except for me! I'm ready for my closeup, Mister DeMille!
<uhmeow> for one of Ralph Spoilsport's competitors
<Dexter_Fong> Bun: Step back into the swimming pool please
<uhmeow> you're Professionally young, bunny
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<kend^> my kitties have learned how to "knock" on the door. i keep them
upstairs most of the time and they want out
<Bunnyboy> lo bri
<DocTechnical> re eobe: the biggest problem i have with it is the way it
was mastered - way too soft through 95% of the album, then when "player"
(bergman) goes off the disk ("what the faaaaaaaaa......") it gets
ear-piercingly loud - i always have to lunge for the volume control at
that point
<kend^> hi brian
<Dexter_Fong> Hi Brian
<bfwestley> hello, can't stay long, I'm making DVD
<uhmeow> you're right, doc
<bfwestley> s
<uhmeow> why, it's b. fuckin westly!
<DocTechnical> hey bf
*** DocTechnical sets mode: +o bfwestley
*** kend^ sets mode: +o bfwestley
*** Dexter_Fong sets mode: +o bfwestley
<uhmeow> you can make your own dvds with your computer, like burning
cds, bf?
<DocTechnical> well you know what they say ... make dvd while the laser
shines...
<kend^> lol, doc
<DocTechnical> hey, let's all make him an op!!!
<Dexter_Fong> Operation Op
<uhmeow> yeah, i'm qwondering if i should upgrade the dell, if that's
possible or just get new hardware to do that with the flick i['m
shooting in saskatchewan in a few weeks
<kend^> op-timum reflexes here
<DocTechnical> cat: bf's got a mac, that's one of their selling points
<uhmeow> aha
<uhmeow> but i can still get hardware to do that on the new dell, eh, doc?
<Dexter_Fong> And it's a really big Mac
<uhmeow> or do i have to send it back to indiana for wherever the fuck
it comes form
<Dexter_Fong> A Mac Royale
<DocTechnical> ...with special sauce...
<kend^> cat, you can install damned near anything you want by yourself
<Dexter_Fong> That won't upset your stomach
<uhmeow> if only that were true
<Bunnyboy> I got turned on to a GREAT site the other day. It's The
Institute of Good Cheer, featuring online clips from a fabulous book
called The Gallery of Regrettable Food.
<Bunnyboy> http://www.lileks.com/institute/
<Bunnyboy> A Royale with Cheese.
<Dexter_Fong> Mac au Frommage
<Bunnyboy> Speaking of DVDs, the new Pulp Fiction Special Edition smokes!
<kend^> cat, grab some 14-year old kid off the street, promise him a
joint, he will install it for you
<kend^> make sure he does the install BEFORE you pay him though :)
<DocTechnical> you have options cat - since you bought the onsite
service contract, you should look into whether you can get them to do
the upgrade right at your place (you'll have to pay for the hardware of
course, and maybe even labor, but at least the outfit doing the upgrade
is the same one that you have the contract with - so they presumably
know what they're doing - and it's possible that by doing it that way
you won't void the warranty.
<Bunnyboy> It's packed with features, including enhanced DVD-ROM treats.
<Dexter_Fong> Wear your Priests outfit too, Cat
<DocTechnical> riiiiight k^
<DocTechnical> is that anything like doggie treats?
<DocTechnical> tape a cardboard star to a stick too
<uhmeow> yeah, i didnt spend nearly enough moneyh on this dell
<uhmeow> i should have bought mr. dell to come here to my office to do
my computing for me
<Bunnyboy> Speaking of cheese, which I am usually loathe to do (not a
fan), I had my first taste of Jarlsburg yesterday. Omigod, it's GOOD!
<uhmeow> i'm so overwhelmed by the software from doc i can barely move
<kend^> oh yeah, bun, like swiss with an attitude if i recall correctly
<uhmeow> jarl them bergs, man
<DocTechnical> yeah, i really threw a lot at you there ... take it on in
small chunks, that's the best way to go about it
<Bunnyboy> kend^: Smoky, nutty and not the least bit rank.
<uhmeow> the titantic is to iceberg as what is to jarlsburg?
<uhmeow> on the sat for the terminally firesonian
<kend^> norway?
<Bunnyboy> lettuce?
<DocTechnical> cows?
<Bunnyboy> pork?
<DocTechnical> pork?
<Dexter_Fong> Ken: Not Norway, either way
<Bunnyboy> Kind of!
<uhmeow> the cheese that sank a penninsula?
<uhmeow> it's norway or the highway
<kend^> neitherway, norway, who cares?
<Dexter_Fong> Jarl
<DocTechnical> cheese logs?
<kend^> jarl is norse for "earl", as in quasi-royalty
<Dexter_Fong> From the Baltic
<Dexter_Fong> with love
<Bunnyboy> Me ma is off to Norway in mid-September.
<uhmeow> nordene way, for the talkative yet reticent
<Dexter_Fong> I ken that laddie
<Bunnyboy> Blessings of Ken Nordine.
<Bunnyboy> And on him.
<uhmeow> word jazz festival
<Bunnyboy> Steer with your ears...
<uhmeow> i wonder if he ever worked with lord buckly?
<uhmeow> imagine ken, lord and lenny all together on one stage, babbling
at each other
<kend^> or even wm. f. buckley?
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: I wonder if anyone ever worked with Buckly
<DocTechnical> i love ken nordine's stuff...
<DocTechnical> how are things in your town?
<uhmeow> with harpo max
<DocTechnical> d_f: that's more like it
<Dexter_Fong> He was the quiet one
<uhmeow> and you have: the firesign theatre
<Bunnyboy> Extreme Harpo, to the max!
<DocTechnical> he was lord of his own world
<kend^> dt: as we all should be :)
<uhmeow> the japanese aesthetic concept of mu, the silence you need as
context for the noise
<Dexter_Fong> DT: Huh?
<Bunnyboy> cat: Nope. Not even Ossman's voice is THAT low!
<DocTechnical> fred did a nice write up on him in a past firezine issue
<kend^> i had a friend give me a very zen-like concept: if you aren't in
the center of your own world, then move your boundaries
<DocTechnical> d_f: i was agreeing with you re "I wonder if anyone ever
worked with Buckly"
<Bunnyboy> Any recent word on Freditor? Wounds all licked?
* Dexter_Fong wonders also if anyone ever worked with Tim Buckly
<DocTechnical> be here now ... if not, get there later!
<uhmeow> there was a radio show they did in late 68m, forget name, may
have been radio free oz or something on kmet, where i was also working
at the time. anyway, they ended this show with a moment of silence. just
dead air. may be why the show was cancelled shortly thereafter but at
the time, it was Exquisite!
<DocTechnical> bb: licked but not healed
<DocTechnical> exquisite air
<uhmeow> yeah, heals are a bitch. ask achilles
<uhmeow> no, that zen garden kind of thing, doc
<Bunnyboy> I gotta go bake some fish for my honeybunny. Nite, clan.
<uhmeow> by bun
<Dexter_Fong> Night Bunny
<kend^> i worked as dj long long ago, in a galaxy far away, had dead air
one day, boss rushed in, said, "put another 28 seconds with that and i
can sell it as a spot"
<kend^> later, bun
<bfwestley> NPR has really helped web site hits with their front page
link; 27k hits today, higher than yesterday
<DocTechnical> that's like john cage's "4:33" - on stage, a grand piano.
a guy walks on, sits at piano, opens piano lid, plays nothing for 4
minutes and 33 seconds, then closes the piano lid and walks off
<DocTechnical> nite bb
<bfwestley> nite bb
<DocTechnical> bf: i guessed that would happen
<kend^> doc: someone else put a 1 min. cut of silence on a cd, cage sued
for copyright infringement!
<Bunnyboy> John Cage, wonderous musicologist and mycologist.
<DocTechnical> glad to see it happening
<DocTechnical> for real
<Bunnyboy> I did my John Rice-prodded duty and e-mailed All Things
Considered today.
<DocTechnical> k^: that's a great story! i love it!
<uhmeow> ossman did a tribute to him for npr. lost job not long after that
<DocTechnical> bb: yeah, he is sorely missed
<Dexter_Fong> Brian? Anyone: How are sales on the FS re-issues?
<DocTechnical> cat: never heard it, would love to.
<bfwestley> dunno; heard sony got through the first 5000 a while back
*** Parts: Bunnyboy (Bunn...@12-230-229-146.client.attbi.com)
<uhmeow> the radio show? i heard it in 68 live, not since
<uhmeow> of, the ossman thing? i've never heard that at all. ossman must
have it in his vast library. ask him
<DocTechnical> no, cat, the cage thing. he did that for npr in 68?
<Dexter_Fong> BF: For a Comedy album and for one that's not affiliated
with SNL, that's pretty good, yes?
<uhmeow> lots of firesign stuff i've never heard, like the Ayerie piece
they did also for npr, you have thast, right, dex?
<uhmeow> i'd love to hear that
<DocTechnical> i didn't know he worked for npr in '68 - or was that
through wbai?
<kend^> did npr exist in 68?
<DocTechnical> don't mind me, i'm just confused
<uhmeow> no, the washington dc station
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Since Fred released it...well, I promis to make a
copy of Fred's release =))
<DocTechnical> i don't think so
<uhmeow> not a network, just that dc station
<uhmeow> no, this would have been 80s
<uhmeow> the 68 show was on kmet-fm in la
<uhmeow> after he left the firesigns, he went to work for wash dc
station in i think 81? bf would know
<uhmeow> some long afternoon show he had
<DocTechnical> i bet it was a cool show
<Dexter_Fong> Erm..how long was it?
<DocTechnical> have heard little of his own work in that arena save for
the thing he did on "waiting for the electrician" ... and of course his
"war of the worlds" remake
<DocTechnical> d_f: that's a personal quetion...
<DocTechnical> :)
<Dexter_Fong> And it deserves a personal answer, Doc =)
<DocTechnical> well, it's about this long... and about that wide... and
it's about this country about which we're singin' about...
<Dexter_Fong> Doc: Speaking of personal questions: where's your alter
half, your better ego, Lili?
<kend^> dear friends, i'm fading fast, so i will call it a nite. will
remain as logger. later.....
*** kend^ is now known as kend^logging
<Dexter_Fong> Night Ken
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<uhmeow> by kend
<Dexter_Fong> A really fast fade
<Dexter_Fong> Hey Roto, you so smart
<uhmeow> hi roto
<uhmeow> they go, they come
<Rotonoto> hi guise, wazzz up?
<DocTechnical> glad you asked dex... she is in canada at the moment,
emergency financial aid trip (her daughter's car broke down, she needed
loan to put down payment on a new used - or is it used new - automobile
vehicle)
*** Dexter_Fong sets mode: +o Rotonoto
<DocTechnical> yo roto
<uhmeow> we are. wanna hit?
<DocTechnical> good ta see ya here
<Rotonoto> nice to be back
<DocTechnical> THWACK
<Dexter_Fong> Ouch!
<Rotonoto> thank you sir- I'll have another...
<DocTechnical> roto: didja hear the latest firesign npr bit?
<Rotonoto> negatory- do tell
<uhmeow> listen to it yourself
<bfwestley> you can listen on the npr website, just go from
http://www.firesigntheatre.com/npr
<Rotonoto> will do
<uhmeow> its just a shot away, old man
<DocTechnical> the full url is
<DocTechnical> http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20020821.atc.19.ram
<Rotonoto> a potent shot of hell oil?
<DocTechnical> love that hell oil, man - it just so totally kicks ashcroft
<uhmeow> hell uses oil? i thought it relied on geothermal power
<uhmeow> heaven is solar powered, of course
<Rotonoto> they never did figure out for sure whether hell is net
endothermic or exothermic
<Dexter_Fong> Oh Blinding Light
<Rotonoto> look out for meeeee.....
<uhmeow> i cannot see
<uhmeow> meow
<uhmeow> me: ow!
<DocTechnical> wo me
<Rotonoto> meer cat?
<uhmeow> is
<DocTechnical> n
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: As George Carlin put it, 'Me fucking yow"
<DocTechnical> he was but a meer cat then...
<Rotonoto> a mere sprout of a feline...
<uhmeow> no such meer. just peacer
<uhmeow> in brussels, i did sprout
<uhmeow> a leek
<Dexter_Fong> Put a dike in it
<uhmeow> cherry beer had to get out somewhere
<Rotonoto> I sprouted a carrot top once- although persistent, it was for
naught...
<uhmeow> would have to be one tiny lesbian
<Rotonoto> we never got baby carrots or anything like that
<Dexter_Fong> ...but a big step for womanhood
<Dexter_Fong> Roto: You gotta pick em young if you want them to stick out
<Rotonoto> indeedy
<Rotonoto> there I was, ravishing the carrot patch when suddenly there
was a strange noise from el outer space...
<Dexter_Fong> Hey! The rain...she's a start to fall here in NYC
<Dexter_Fong> Roto: It was the Rabbits, man
<Rotonoto> wascally wabbits
<Dexter_Fong> ..fwom outer space
<DocTechnical> inasmuch as i am in a windowless basement at the moment,
i have no idea if it has started to rain here in ct - let me go freshen
my drink and find out... :)
<DocTechnical> brb
<Dexter_Fong> How hard difficult it is to tell what time it is when
you're locked in a windowless basement
<DocTechnical> back
<DocTechnical> ...with "art is ficial" light
<uhmeow> and booty full
<uhmeow> garfunkle is funky
<Rotonoto> I've been locked here in Radio Prison for years- but later it
metamorphosized into Computer Prison...
<uhmeow> a prism by any other name would be as diffuse
<Rotonoto> certainly well worth the dollar...
<Dexter_Fong> By Roy G. Biv
<uhmeow> radio, computer, seeing eye dog
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<HasNoName> Hola...
<DocTechnical> lovely 'pewter you got there...
<bfwestley> doc, web traffic is just at the 500k mark, and it'll only go
up as long as we get NPR traffic...
<Dexter_Fong> Hey Has
*** Dexter_Fong sets mode: +o HasNoName
<uhmeow> and speaking of talking nonentities....
<DocTechnical> hey has
<DocTechnical> howz tricks
<DocTechnical> ?
<HasNoName> would've been in earlier, but just as I was preparing to get
on, girlfriend called...
<DocTechnical> this is not a has no name
<uhmeow> girlfiend?
<Dexter_Fong> So you got off?
<Rotonoto> got on, got off?
<uhmeow> makes me feel 19 again
<HasNoName> no, not tonight, dex.
<DocTechnical> i hope she hasn't lost her deliate sense of humor...
<DocTechnical> delicate
<Dexter_Fong> Tomorrow is another day
* HasNoName sometimes wished he was 19 again, too.
<uhmeow> a trip down memory layn
<HasNoName> er, wishes...
<Dexter_Fong> Has: liked the past tense version
<Rotonoto> washy wishy- revision-izzy
<uhmeow> and speaking of layns, where is el tonight? i wanted to ask her
about upcoming comic event in vancouver
<HasNoName> Anyways, I've recently rediscovered Bob And Ray again for
the first time...
<uhmeow> god for you, has
<DocTechnical> bf: i'll mention it to byron when i see him tomorrow,
last time we talked about the bandwidth issue he said that occasional
spikes are ok - it's only going to become a problem when it's constant
<Dexter_Fong> Good too
<HasNoName> no, cat, bob and ray are gods, plural.
<DocTechnical> ah yes - "...ally Balou here..."
<uhmeow> if there had been no bob and ray, would there have been
firesign as we know it?
<uhmeow> perchance, neigh
<bfwestley> don't know how long this'll last; we got more hits today
than yesterday due to their front page link (as opposed to the FT bit on
ATC yesterday)
<uhmeow> in deed
<HasNoName> it struck me that in a lot of ways, the dear friends shows
were a psychedelic bob and ray...
<Dexter_Fong> word
<Rotonoto> cool development, Bri
<Rotonoto> had not heard about this event
<uhmeow> good observation, has
<Dexter_Fong> Has: Interesting thing about B&R, other than their very
early Boston work...about everything they did was written
<HasNoName> some of the voices on the bob and ray record I found ("Bob
and Ray On A Platter") even sounded like Ossman...
<uhmeow> re, being 19. the flick we're shooting in saskatchewan next
month is about something that happened to me there when i was 19
<Dexter_Fong> Fully scripted
<DocTechnical> those front page links'll do it every time
<Bubbas_Brain> I haven't checked the hits count, but LodesTone got a
bunch of extra orders too.
<uhmeow> good for lodes
<Rotonoto> it's the mother lode
<Dexter_Fong> Yeah...good all around
<DocTechnical> interesting to think that the high bandwidth is the
result of firesign fans who were likely unaware that the guys are back
together again and are exploring the site to find out just how alive and
well they really are now
<DocTechnical> :)
<uhmeow> Ludes for Victory! Lodes for the Dead!
<DocTechnical> it's a beautiful thing
<Rotonoto> lords a leapin'
<Dexter_Fong> Stones for the Adultress
<bfwestley> the lodestone hits are probably a better measure of what it
will do for sales
<uhmeow> lord buckly's a dancing on his own grave,
<Bubbas_Brain> LudeStoned?
<DocTechnical> b_b: excellent news!
<uhmeow> stone those loads
<bfwestley> cat, I found a weird computer generated skeleton reciting
Lord Buckley
<uhmeow> lemme see
<DocTechnical> just how prominent a role does firesign sales play in
keeping lodestone afloat?
<Dexter_Fong> BF: Whew!
<Rotonoto> lord o' goshen!
<bfwestley> I'll try to find it
<DocTechnical> expiring minds want to know...
<Rotonoto> expanding minds want to gnaw...
<uhmeow> go means five in japanese, so 6 shen, 7 shen, 8 shen, and on
and on throughout indiana
<Bubbas_Brain> The biggest seller, certainly
<uhmeow> if they dont knaw, their teeth grow through their brains
<Dexter_Fong> I did not knaw that
<uhmeow> Summit? Raw Raw Raw, that's the spirits we cause here
<Rotonoto> caution: this thread will fizzle in 0.43 microseconds- change
tracks quickly!
<bfwestley> that lord buckley thing (with some jpgs so you can see what
it will look like) is at http://www.redrat.net/indx/index_qt.htm
<bfwestley> the quicktime is 3.7 meg
<Bubbas_Brain> Red Rat! Red Rat!
<Dexter_Fong> Come Over!
<Rotonoto> 3.7 meg is not quick on dialup :o)
<DocTechnical> 9 out of 10 masochists say: "to knaw me is to love me"
<bfwestley> you can see the stills
<Rotonoto> the 10th masochist is out of town at the moment?
<Bubbas_Brain> I thought they said "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
<Dexter_Fong> In Hospital
<Bubbas_Brain> "Harder Harder!"
<Dexter_Fong> Is this pledge week?
<Bubbas_Brain> Gives wood that waxy shine!
<Rotonoto> I pledge my head to higher living, my heart to- er was that
my health? well, anyway...
<Dexter_Fong> Gives shines that wacky wood
<uhmeow> buckly a big influence on firesign
<uhmeow> used to play him on their 67 oz show
<Bubbas_Brain> 67 oz --- that's about a liter!
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Interesting they'd play a competing product
<Rotonoto> no littering here! harsh fines levied
<Dexter_Fong> Lebee...Lebee
<Bubbas_Brain> Expect more from a liter.
<Rotonoto> LaBatts?
<DocTechnical> BTW, for you New Jersey Firesign fans who have managed to
hang in long enough to read this far, NJN (the New Jersey Network) will
be running the "Weirdly Cool" Firesign special again on august 25th at
3am (time approximate, check your local listings or your astrologer,
whoever comes first)
<uhmeow> why competing? they were all promoting each other. look at r.
williams and carlin promoting firesign todya
<Dexter_Fong> Montreal's next Baseball team = LaBatts
<Bubbas_Brain> Drove my Chevied to the levied....
<DocTechnical> d_f: i think it was an era where props were given where
props were due, kin ya dig it?
<uhmeow> montreal fans stopped suporting the expos about the time the
management did
<Rotonoto> that ought to be time enough to get out the instruction
manual and get this dang blamed VCR programmed...
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: That's today, and they're not really competing...but
when you're doing a comedy show, playing comedy material by others is
....unusual
<DocTechnical> buy the levy was rye?
<DocTechnical> but
<uhmeow> not at all, dex
<DocTechnical> cat: re expos: funny how that works...
<Rotonoto> (it ain't the piles or the converter...)
<uhmeow> the idea is, the audience tunes in to be amused. so when your
voice gets tired, play someone else being funny
<Bubbas_Brain> A rye sense of humor?
<uhmeow> firesign played mostly music on their shows, but the comedy was
lord buckly. that says something
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: I'd disagree...they certainly weren't doing by the
time of DF and DF Let's eat.
<uhmeow> catcher in the rye? pitcher in the vodka?
<DocTechnical> radio free oz was not technically the firesign theatre -
it was peter bergman and friends, and they played music in between the
(largely improvised) bits
<uhmeow> years later, dex
<uhmeow> this was a 4 hour radio show they did in 67. bergman's show
before that on kpfk was even longer, as i recall
<uhmeow> needed filler badly
<Dexter_Fong> DT: Music yes, even funny music, but playing comedy
records can, if you're not really cookin', make you look bad
<uhmeow> even bergman can't talk That much
<uhmeow> make the firesing look bad?fuck. NOBODY can do that.
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Ok, yes...really long show ...you *do* run outta steam
<DocTechnical> dear friends and let's eat were '70 - '72, right? radio
free oz started back in '66 and ran through - what, '69?
<uhmeow> last show was jan 69 or dec 68
<DocTechnical> also, lord buckley was most definitely not considered a
mainstream comedy act in his day
<uhmeow> then they did KPPC show Hour Hour 11/69-7-70
<uhmeow> indei'd
<Rotonoto> lord eddy- there's money in this matress!
<Dexter_Fong> DT: Yes, LB was never mainstream =))
<DocTechnical> he made a name for himself in the beatnik contingent,
late '50s onward - the hippies embraced him as an inspiration in the
mid-late '60s
* Dexter_Fong snaps fingers
<Rotonoto> like- cool! man...
<Dexter_Fong> Solid Jackson
<Dexter_Fong> The 6th Brother
<DocTechnical> cat: by the time of the hour hour, were they pretty much
working in the format they honed in dear friends? i.e. just the guys
talking amongst themselves?
<DocTechnical> "willie the shake," "the nazz" - brilliant monologues
<Dexter_Fong> Jonah and the Whale
<DocTechnical> lol (and what of Action Jackson? Bastard son?)
<Dexter_Fong> Action Ajckson...The Real White Brother
<uhmeow> no no, hour hour was before dear friends. and MUCH more
scripted, as it would seem to me, though i havent asked them aboutit
<Rotonoto> lord buckley- there's matress on this money!
<uhmeow> they brought in lit from their earliest shows, and riffed on it
<uhmeow> wrote stuff from at least late 66
<Dexter_Fong> Don Buckly, we should go to the matresses
<uhmeow> no, i meant df was more scripted. hour hour was lots of
attempts at riffing of tv shows on at the time, and only occasionally
successful but the lads were pushing the enevelope.
* Rotonoto say matress spelled mattress (oh the embarrassment)
<uhmeow> proc was in ny in his first flick and ossman was travelling too
<Rotonoto> Merriam and Webster has spoke
<Rotonoto> ain't no hoke
* Dexter_Fong must relocate his car so they can't find it and give me
citations
<uhmeow> good for them, dex
<Dexter_Fong> Roto: Leave the last "s" off for savings
<Dexter_Fong> night to any who leave, will remain logging (as always)
(GB said I could)
<Rotonoto> Dex cited for extraordinary barvery in the face of
ridiculously dense traffic patterns and extraondinarimundo parking hassles
<Rotonoto> (bravery)
<Dexter_Fong> Roto: Prefer Barvery...but I'm just coasting
<Dexter_Fong> Night you guys
<Rotonoto> nite
<HasNoName> night, dex.
<DocTechnical> nite dex
<DocTechnical> Bervery Coast?
<DocTechnical> oops
<Rotonoto> local bartenders attest his barvery is beyond reprocah
<Rotonoto> reproach
<Rotonoto> (must ber a left-brain/right-brain thing)
<Rotonoto> I'm lis dexic
<Rotonoto> Dex jes' left anyway...
<HasNoName> diz dexic? she used to have a show with Tom Snyder, right?
<DocTechnical> my left brain doesn't know what my right brain is doing
<HasNoName> and her sister liz, too.
<Bubbas_Brain> Dislexics of the world, untie!
<DocTechnical> ...and for some reason, my right brain is quite happy
about that
<HasNoName> that doesn't matter, doc, neither of them is the boss
<Rotonoto> liz sez I have the hands of a surgeon and good touche typing
to boot :o)
<DocTechnical> dyslexic protest sign: "workers of the world untie"
<DocTechnical> hnn: you're so right about that (and i had eggs for
breakfast this morning... !)
<uhmeow> where is julian jaynes when we need him?
<Rotonoto> VG Cod- er, Doc
<HasNoName> "click click click... touche!" indded, roto.
<DocTechnical> oops
<Rotonoto> opps...
<HasNoName> roto is probably a better touche typer than me tonight,
anyways...
<Rotonoto> touche! Have at you!
<DocTechnical> geshundheit
<Rotonoto> projection!
<HasNoName> Zigeunerweisen
<uhmeow> where is klok? the only regular here cogniscent enough to laugh
at my julian jaynes joke
<DocTechnical> hey has - i assume you've seen the film "man of the
century" - ifc has been playing it. what a riot..
<DocTechnical> they did a great job with the dialogue in that one
<HasNoName> the one with Johnny Twenties?
<DocTechnical> yeah, no klok 2nite
<DocTechnical> probably difficul techniculties
<uhmeow> at least he has a job
<HasNoName> Sadly, I don't have IFC, but I saw it in a theater a couple
of years ago... great stuff...
<DocTechnical> hnn: yeah, you got it
<HasNoName> The day I saw that I also saw "Gimme Shelter" and met Albert
Maysles, and saw a 3D porno film with John Holmes in an art musuem
<DocTechnical> i figured you had, it won an audience award at a film
festival and must have been seen in a limited art house release
<HasNoName> amazing the things you remember...
<DocTechnical> first time lili and i caught it (quite by chance) on ifc,
we were hooked - brilliant work
<HasNoName> and there was a Stan Brakhage documentary in the middle of
all that, I think...
<DocTechnical> hnn: shelter, maysles, 3d holmes - quite a day for the
young has no name!
<uhmeow> quite a day for an Old has no name
<DocTechnical> egads, brakhage - i have one of his books, a little tome
the title of which i think was "a moving picture giving and taking book"
... ?
<uhmeow> growing older: What an Option!
<DocTechnical> as opposed to .. ?
<HasNoName> I'd like to see more Brakhage stuff. it doesn't play often
around here, and video isn't the best option...
<uhmeow> the bitsite
<uhmeow> we went to the border on tuesday and the tile we put there with
bit's photo and url on it had bleached completely out.
<uhmeow> a blank tile
<uhmeow> that's the option, doc. all.
<uhmeow> a tabula rosa.
<uhmeow> as if you had never even been at all.
<DocTechnical> yeah i know - it was a rhetorical question.
<DocTechnical> sorry to hear about the bleachout
<uhmeow> steph is investigating medium that would not do that.
<DocTechnical> i imagine it's hard to put something like that up that
can withstand the sun and rain over time
<uhmeow> tile may not be the correct medium
<Rotonoto> suggest some sort of etching technique, cat
<DocTechnical> at least the web site is not bleached out
<uhmeow> the photo on the plaque and the border (you may recall seeing)
has a photo that is time-resistant.
<Rotonoto> etch and then tint for contrast
<uhmeow> sun, rain, whatever, it stays the same
<uhmeow> yes indeed, roto.
<uhmeow> we'll be in italy soon and they've been engraving their
monuments to withstand the millennia. i can learn someting there, per chance
<Rotonoto> texhnique used for years on radios and other electronics-
'grouting', where a white strip is applied in an etched index line
<Rotonoto> on a control knob
<DocTechnical> ok, sorry, confused plauqe with tile
<Rotonoto> some variant of thet
<Rotonoto> that
<uhmeow> no, not the plaq, doc. the plaq is fine, the tile i made this
january had gone to badly bleached by may to non-existant now
<uhmeow> a tabula rosa
<Rotonoto> use some sort of photo-etching technique, as is done with
printed circuit boards
<Rotonoto> then acid-ecth to produce 3D relief
<Rotonoto> etch
<uhmeow> plaq is raised letters of steph's poem and the photo in some
medium that is somehow protected against the elements. must find out
what it is and duplicate for others
<uhmeow> sounds right, roto
<DocTechnical> i could sure use some 3d relief about now - think i'll
turn in
<DocTechnical> or at the very least get some sleep
<Rotonoto> single hued 'half tone'? (one color photo that can be etched)
<uhmeow> ok, good night, doc
<DocTechnical> lili says "howz it goin', eh?"
<uhmeow> i'll email you later this week
<Rotonoto> for comic relief, accept only the firesign theatre
<uhmeow> in did
<DocTechnical> y'all have a good one, catch ya on the flip side
<Rotonoto> say "howza!" back!
<DocTechnical> exit - stage left - snoring all the way -
<Bubbas_Brain> nite doc.
<DocTechnical> will do roto
<DocTechnical> nytol (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
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<Rotonoto> exeunt...
<HasNoName> night, doc...
<uhmeow> carrying spears. shaking
<Rotonoto> quaking...
<HasNoName> i'll be off as well, I think...
<Rotonoto> he's getting off...
<uhmeow> by has
<HasNoName> aloha...
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<Rotonoto> Sleepytown, 1/32nd mile...
<uhmeow> allo, has? allo?
<Rotonoto> computer chat presence il morte!
<Bubbas_Brain> bye roto.
<Rotonoto> (breaks down in uncontrollable sobs)
<Rotonoto> nite bubs
<uhmeow> we all drift into the ether
<Rotonoto> nite guise. BTW I take it kend^ is off playing with his kittys
<Bubbas_Brain> ether / or
<Rotonoto> he is such a nite owl now
<uhmeow> i'm gonna miss you guys when i'm in other continents and stuff.
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<Rotonoto> jes' like moi
<uhmeow> but then again.....
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* Dexter_Fong return, safely ensconced
<Dexter_Fong> heh...guess I missed all the exposition, and everything
* Dexter_Fong surmises that there will prolly be no more chatting, and
Kend^ is here, so . . .
<bfwestley> I guess so...I was busy crunching audio
* Dexter_Fong singing off . . ."o" 'f"
<bfwestley> CU dex
<Dexter_Fong> Night Brian
<bfwestley> singing?
<Dexter_Fong> Off key
<Dexter_Fong> Glad to here about the many hits... =)
<bfwestley> I am calling YoooooOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOooooOOoooooou...
<bfwestley> 29k now
<Dexter_Fong> This is the Howl of the Wolf hour
<Dexter_Fong> Night once and again
<bfwestley> byeee
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<uhmeow> the ads in Dwarf most carfully structuered into the disc, perchance
<Dexter_Fong> I share Bunny's view...I try to appreciate each piece of
work on it's own
<uhmeow> they were always into commercial parodies, from before being
the firesign theatre
<Bunnyboy> I remember, years ago, a fellow Firesign fan giving a quick
listen to GIVE ME A BREAK (P & B), and commenting that Phil and Pete
seemed to be recycling some old FST ideas. Still loved it, though.
<kend^> it's such a rich field from which to harvest, ad agencies are
great at making "parody-able" commercials
<uhmeow> how did the topic come up? i just stumbled into it, and always
delighted to be talking about The Firesign Theatre on alt.firesign IRC!
<uhmeow> thats why adbusters has been such a hit, kend
<Dexter_Fong> "And we'll be right back after this commercial interuption"
<uhmeow> i was writing ads that were parodies of other ads in 1958/9
<Bunnyboy> All old, except for me! I'm ready for my closeup, Mister DeMille!
<uhmeow> for one of Ralph Spoilsport's competitors
<Dexter_Fong> Bun: Step back into the swimming pool please
<uhmeow> you're Professionally young, bunny
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<kend^> my kitties have learned how to "knock" on the door. i keep them
upstairs most of the time and they want out
<Bunnyboy> lo bri
<DocTechnical> re eobe: the biggest problem i have with it is the way it
was mastered - way too soft through 95% of the album, then when "player"
(bergman) goes off the disk ("what the faaaaaaaaa......") it gets
ear-piercingly loud - i always have to lunge for the volume control at
that point
<kend^> hi brian
<Dexter_Fong> Hi Brian
<bfwestley> hello, can't stay long, I'm making DVD
<uhmeow> you're right, doc
<bfwestley> s
<uhmeow> why, it's b. fuckin westly!
<DocTechnical> hey bf
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<uhmeow> you can make your own dvds with your computer, like burning
cds, bf?
<DocTechnical> well you know what they say ... make dvd while the laser
shines...
<kend^> lol, doc
<DocTechnical> hey, let's all make him an op!!!
<Dexter_Fong> Operation Op
<uhmeow> yeah, i'm qwondering if i should upgrade the dell, if that's
possible or just get new hardware to do that with the flick i['m
shooting in saskatchewan in a few weeks
<kend^> op-timum reflexes here
<DocTechnical> cat: bf's got a mac, that's one of their selling points
<uhmeow> aha
<uhmeow> but i can still get hardware to do that on the new dell, eh, doc?
<Dexter_Fong> And it's a really big Mac
<uhmeow> or do i have to send it back to indiana for wherever the fuck
it comes form
<Dexter_Fong> A Mac Royale
<DocTechnical> ...with special sauce...
<kend^> cat, you can install damned near anything you want by yourself
<Dexter_Fong> That won't upset your stomach
<uhmeow> if only that were true
<Bunnyboy> I got turned on to a GREAT site the other day. It's The
Institute of Good Cheer, featuring online clips from a fabulous book
called The Gallery of Regrettable Food.
<Bunnyboy> http://www.lileks.com/institute/
<Bunnyboy> A Royale with Cheese.
<Dexter_Fong> Mac au Frommage
<Bunnyboy> Speaking of DVDs, the new Pulp Fiction Special Edition smokes!
<kend^> cat, grab some 14-year old kid off the street, promise him a
joint, he will install it for you
<kend^> make sure he does the install BEFORE you pay him though :)
<DocTechnical> you have options cat - since you bought the onsite
service contract, you should look into whether you can get them to do
the upgrade right at your place (you'll have to pay for the hardware of
course, and maybe even labor, but at least the outfit doing the upgrade
is the same one that you have the contract with - so they presumably
know what they're doing - and it's possible that by doing it that way
you won't void the warranty.
<Bunnyboy> It's packed with features, including enhanced DVD-ROM treats.
<Dexter_Fong> Wear your Priests outfit too, Cat
<DocTechnical> riiiiight k^
<DocTechnical> is that anything like doggie treats?
<DocTechnical> tape a cardboard star to a stick too
<uhmeow> yeah, i didnt spend nearly enough moneyh on this dell
<uhmeow> i should have bought mr. dell to come here to my office to do
my computing for me
<Bunnyboy> Speaking of cheese, which I am usually loathe to do (not a
fan), I had my first taste of Jarlsburg yesterday. Omigod, it's GOOD!
<uhmeow> i'm so overwhelmed by the software from doc i can barely move
<kend^> oh yeah, bun, like swiss with an attitude if i recall correctly
<uhmeow> jarl them bergs, man
<DocTechnical> yeah, i really threw a lot at you there ... take it on in
small chunks, that's the best way to go about it
<Bunnyboy> kend^: Smoky, nutty and not the least bit rank.
<uhmeow> the titantic is to iceberg as what is to jarlsburg?
<uhmeow> on the sat for the terminally firesonian
<kend^> norway?
<Bunnyboy> lettuce?
<DocTechnical> cows?
<Bunnyboy> pork?
<DocTechnical> pork?
<Dexter_Fong> Ken: Not Norway, either way
<Bunnyboy> Kind of!
<uhmeow> the cheese that sank a penninsula?
<uhmeow> it's norway or the highway
<kend^> neitherway, norway, who cares?
<Dexter_Fong> Jarl
<DocTechnical> cheese logs?
<kend^> jarl is norse for "earl", as in quasi-royalty
<Dexter_Fong> From the Baltic
<Dexter_Fong> with love
<Bunnyboy> Me ma is off to Norway in mid-September.
<uhmeow> nordene way, for the talkative yet reticent
<Dexter_Fong> I ken that laddie
<Bunnyboy> Blessings of Ken Nordine.
<Bunnyboy> And on him.
<uhmeow> word jazz festival
<Bunnyboy> Steer with your ears...
<uhmeow> i wonder if he ever worked with lord buckly?
<uhmeow> imagine ken, lord and lenny all together on one stage, babbling
at each other
<kend^> or even wm. f. buckley?
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: I wonder if anyone ever worked with Buckly
<DocTechnical> i love ken nordine's stuff...
<DocTechnical> how are things in your town?
<uhmeow> with harpo max
<DocTechnical> d_f: that's more like it
<Dexter_Fong> He was the quiet one
<uhmeow> and you have: the firesign theatre
<Bunnyboy> Extreme Harpo, to the max!
<DocTechnical> he was lord of his own world
<kend^> dt: as we all should be :)
<uhmeow> the japanese aesthetic concept of mu, the silence you need as
context for the noise
<Dexter_Fong> DT: Huh?
<Bunnyboy> cat: Nope. Not even Ossman's voice is THAT low!
<DocTechnical> fred did a nice write up on him in a past firezine issue
<kend^> i had a friend give me a very zen-like concept: if you aren't in
the center of your own world, then move your boundaries
<DocTechnical> d_f: i was agreeing with you re "I wonder if anyone ever
worked with Buckly"
<Bunnyboy> Any recent word on Freditor? Wounds all licked?
* Dexter_Fong wonders also if anyone ever worked with Tim Buckly
<DocTechnical> be here now ... if not, get there later!
<uhmeow> there was a radio show they did in late 68m, forget name, may
have been radio free oz or something on kmet, where i was also working
at the time. anyway, they ended this show with a moment of silence. just
dead air. may be why the show was cancelled shortly thereafter but at
the time, it was Exquisite!
<DocTechnical> bb: licked but not healed
<DocTechnical> exquisite air
<uhmeow> yeah, heals are a bitch. ask achilles
<uhmeow> no, that zen garden kind of thing, doc
<Bunnyboy> I gotta go bake some fish for my honeybunny. Nite, clan.
<uhmeow> by bun
<Dexter_Fong> Night Bunny
<kend^> i worked as dj long long ago, in a galaxy far away, had dead air
one day, boss rushed in, said, "put another 28 seconds with that and i
can sell it as a spot"
<kend^> later, bun
<bfwestley> NPR has really helped web site hits with their front page
link; 27k hits today, higher than yesterday
<DocTechnical> that's like john cage's "4:33" - on stage, a grand piano.
a guy walks on, sits at piano, opens piano lid, plays nothing for 4
minutes and 33 seconds, then closes the piano lid and walks off
<DocTechnical> nite bb
<bfwestley> nite bb
<DocTechnical> bf: i guessed that would happen
<kend^> doc: someone else put a 1 min. cut of silence on a cd, cage sued
for copyright infringement!
<Bunnyboy> John Cage, wonderous musicologist and mycologist.
<DocTechnical> glad to see it happening
<DocTechnical> for real
<Bunnyboy> I did my John Rice-prodded duty and e-mailed All Things
Considered today.
<DocTechnical> k^: that's a great story! i love it!
<uhmeow> ossman did a tribute to him for npr. lost job not long after that
<DocTechnical> bb: yeah, he is sorely missed
<Dexter_Fong> Brian? Anyone: How are sales on the FS re-issues?
<DocTechnical> cat: never heard it, would love to.
<bfwestley> dunno; heard sony got through the first 5000 a while back
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<uhmeow> the radio show? i heard it in 68 live, not since
<uhmeow> of, the ossman thing? i've never heard that at all. ossman must
have it in his vast library. ask him
<DocTechnical> no, cat, the cage thing. he did that for npr in 68?
<Dexter_Fong> BF: For a Comedy album and for one that's not affiliated
with SNL, that's pretty good, yes?
<uhmeow> lots of firesign stuff i've never heard, like the Ayerie piece
they did also for npr, you have thast, right, dex?
<uhmeow> i'd love to hear that
<DocTechnical> i didn't know he worked for npr in '68 - or was that
through wbai?
<kend^> did npr exist in 68?
<DocTechnical> don't mind me, i'm just confused
<uhmeow> no, the washington dc station
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Since Fred released it...well, I promis to make a
copy of Fred's release =))
<DocTechnical> i don't think so
<uhmeow> not a network, just that dc station
<uhmeow> no, this would have been 80s
<uhmeow> the 68 show was on kmet-fm in la
<uhmeow> after he left the firesigns, he went to work for wash dc
station in i think 81? bf would know
<uhmeow> some long afternoon show he had
<DocTechnical> i bet it was a cool show
<Dexter_Fong> Erm..how long was it?
<DocTechnical> have heard little of his own work in that arena save for
the thing he did on "waiting for the electrician" ... and of course his
"war of the worlds" remake
<DocTechnical> d_f: that's a personal quetion...
<DocTechnical> :)
<Dexter_Fong> And it deserves a personal answer, Doc =)
<DocTechnical> well, it's about this long... and about that wide... and
it's about this country about which we're singin' about...
<Dexter_Fong> Doc: Speaking of personal questions: where's your alter
half, your better ego, Lili?
<kend^> dear friends, i'm fading fast, so i will call it a nite. will
remain as logger. later.....
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<Dexter_Fong> Night Ken
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<uhmeow> by kend
<Dexter_Fong> A really fast fade
<Dexter_Fong> Hey Roto, you so smart
<uhmeow> hi roto
<uhmeow> they go, they come
<Rotonoto> hi guise, wazzz up?
<DocTechnical> glad you asked dex... she is in canada at the moment,
emergency financial aid trip (her daughter's car broke down, she needed
loan to put down payment on a new used - or is it used new - automobile
vehicle)
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<DocTechnical> yo roto
<uhmeow> we are. wanna hit?
<DocTechnical> good ta see ya here
<Rotonoto> nice to be back
<DocTechnical> THWACK
<Dexter_Fong> Ouch!
<Rotonoto> thank you sir- I'll have another...
<DocTechnical> roto: didja hear the latest firesign npr bit?
<Rotonoto> negatory- do tell
<uhmeow> listen to it yourself
<bfwestley> you can listen on the npr website, just go from
http://www.firesigntheatre.com/npr
<Rotonoto> will do
<uhmeow> its just a shot away, old man
<DocTechnical> the full url is
<DocTechnical> http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/atc/20020821.atc.19.ram
<Rotonoto> a potent shot of hell oil?
<DocTechnical> love that hell oil, man - it just so totally kicks ashcroft
<uhmeow> hell uses oil? i thought it relied on geothermal power
<uhmeow> heaven is solar powered, of course
<Rotonoto> they never did figure out for sure whether hell is net
endothermic or exothermic
<Dexter_Fong> Oh Blinding Light
<Rotonoto> look out for meeeee.....
<uhmeow> i cannot see
<uhmeow> meow
<uhmeow> me: ow!
<DocTechnical> wo me
<Rotonoto> meer cat?
<uhmeow> is
<DocTechnical> n
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: As George Carlin put it, 'Me fucking yow"
<DocTechnical> he was but a meer cat then...
<Rotonoto> a mere sprout of a feline...
<uhmeow> no such meer. just peacer
<uhmeow> in brussels, i did sprout
<uhmeow> a leek
<Dexter_Fong> Put a dike in it
<uhmeow> cherry beer had to get out somewhere
<Rotonoto> I sprouted a carrot top once- although persistent, it was for
naught...
<uhmeow> would have to be one tiny lesbian
<Rotonoto> we never got baby carrots or anything like that
<Dexter_Fong> ...but a big step for womanhood
<Dexter_Fong> Roto: You gotta pick em young if you want them to stick out
<Rotonoto> indeedy
<Rotonoto> there I was, ravishing the carrot patch when suddenly there
was a strange noise from el outer space...
<Dexter_Fong> Hey! The rain...she's a start to fall here in NYC
<Dexter_Fong> Roto: It was the Rabbits, man
<Rotonoto> wascally wabbits
<Dexter_Fong> ..fwom outer space
<DocTechnical> inasmuch as i am in a windowless basement at the moment,
i have no idea if it has started to rain here in ct - let me go freshen
my drink and find out... :)
<DocTechnical> brb
<Dexter_Fong> How hard difficult it is to tell what time it is when
you're locked in a windowless basement
<DocTechnical> back
<DocTechnical> ...with "art is ficial" light
<uhmeow> and booty full
<uhmeow> garfunkle is funky
<Rotonoto> I've been locked here in Radio Prison for years- but later it
metamorphosized into Computer Prison...
<uhmeow> a prism by any other name would be as diffuse
<Rotonoto> certainly well worth the dollar...
<Dexter_Fong> By Roy G. Biv
<uhmeow> radio, computer, seeing eye dog
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<HasNoName> Hola...
<DocTechnical> lovely 'pewter you got there...
<bfwestley> doc, web traffic is just at the 500k mark, and it'll only go
up as long as we get NPR traffic...
<Dexter_Fong> Hey Has
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<uhmeow> and speaking of talking nonentities....
<DocTechnical> hey has
<DocTechnical> howz tricks
<DocTechnical> ?
<HasNoName> would've been in earlier, but just as I was preparing to get
on, girlfriend called...
<DocTechnical> this is not a has no name
<uhmeow> girlfiend?
<Dexter_Fong> So you got off?
<Rotonoto> got on, got off?
<uhmeow> makes me feel 19 again
<HasNoName> no, not tonight, dex.
<DocTechnical> i hope she hasn't lost her deliate sense of humor...
<DocTechnical> delicate
<Dexter_Fong> Tomorrow is another day
* HasNoName sometimes wished he was 19 again, too.
<uhmeow> a trip down memory layn
<HasNoName> er, wishes...
<Dexter_Fong> Has: liked the past tense version
<Rotonoto> washy wishy- revision-izzy
<uhmeow> and speaking of layns, where is el tonight? i wanted to ask her
about upcoming comic event in vancouver
<HasNoName> Anyways, I've recently rediscovered Bob And Ray again for
the first time...
<uhmeow> god for you, has
<DocTechnical> bf: i'll mention it to byron when i see him tomorrow,
last time we talked about the bandwidth issue he said that occasional
spikes are ok - it's only going to become a problem when it's constant
<Dexter_Fong> Good too
<HasNoName> no, cat, bob and ray are gods, plural.
<DocTechnical> ah yes - "...ally Balou here..."
<uhmeow> if there had been no bob and ray, would there have been
firesign as we know it?
<uhmeow> perchance, neigh
<bfwestley> don't know how long this'll last; we got more hits today
than yesterday due to their front page link (as opposed to the FT bit on
ATC yesterday)
<uhmeow> in deed
<HasNoName> it struck me that in a lot of ways, the dear friends shows
were a psychedelic bob and ray...
<Dexter_Fong> word
<Rotonoto> cool development, Bri
<Rotonoto> had not heard about this event
<uhmeow> good observation, has
<Dexter_Fong> Has: Interesting thing about B&R, other than their very
early Boston work...about everything they did was written
<HasNoName> some of the voices on the bob and ray record I found ("Bob
and Ray On A Platter") even sounded like Ossman...
<uhmeow> re, being 19. the flick we're shooting in saskatchewan next
month is about something that happened to me there when i was 19
<Dexter_Fong> Fully scripted
<DocTechnical> those front page links'll do it every time
<Bubbas_Brain> I haven't checked the hits count, but LodesTone got a
bunch of extra orders too.
<uhmeow> good for lodes
<Rotonoto> it's the mother lode
<Dexter_Fong> Yeah...good all around
<DocTechnical> interesting to think that the high bandwidth is the
result of firesign fans who were likely unaware that the guys are back
together again and are exploring the site to find out just how alive and
well they really are now
<DocTechnical> :)
<uhmeow> Ludes for Victory! Lodes for the Dead!
<DocTechnical> it's a beautiful thing
<Rotonoto> lords a leapin'
<Dexter_Fong> Stones for the Adultress
<bfwestley> the lodestone hits are probably a better measure of what it
will do for sales
<uhmeow> lord buckly's a dancing on his own grave,
<Bubbas_Brain> LudeStoned?
<DocTechnical> b_b: excellent news!
<uhmeow> stone those loads
<bfwestley> cat, I found a weird computer generated skeleton reciting
Lord Buckley
<uhmeow> lemme see
<DocTechnical> just how prominent a role does firesign sales play in
keeping lodestone afloat?
<Dexter_Fong> BF: Whew!
<Rotonoto> lord o' goshen!
<bfwestley> I'll try to find it
<DocTechnical> expiring minds want to know...
<Rotonoto> expanding minds want to gnaw...
<uhmeow> go means five in japanese, so 6 shen, 7 shen, 8 shen, and on
and on throughout indiana
<Bubbas_Brain> The biggest seller, certainly
<uhmeow> if they dont knaw, their teeth grow through their brains
<Dexter_Fong> I did not knaw that
<uhmeow> Summit? Raw Raw Raw, that's the spirits we cause here
<Rotonoto> caution: this thread will fizzle in 0.43 microseconds- change
tracks quickly!
<bfwestley> that lord buckley thing (with some jpgs so you can see what
it will look like) is at http://www.redrat.net/indx/index_qt.htm
<bfwestley> the quicktime is 3.7 meg
<Bubbas_Brain> Red Rat! Red Rat!
<Dexter_Fong> Come Over!
<Rotonoto> 3.7 meg is not quick on dialup :o)
<DocTechnical> 9 out of 10 masochists say: "to knaw me is to love me"
<bfwestley> you can see the stills
<Rotonoto> the 10th masochist is out of town at the moment?
<Bubbas_Brain> I thought they said "Thank you sir, may I have another?"
<Dexter_Fong> In Hospital
<Bubbas_Brain> "Harder Harder!"
<Dexter_Fong> Is this pledge week?
<Bubbas_Brain> Gives wood that waxy shine!
<Rotonoto> I pledge my head to higher living, my heart to- er was that
my health? well, anyway...
<Dexter_Fong> Gives shines that wacky wood
<uhmeow> buckly a big influence on firesign
<uhmeow> used to play him on their 67 oz show
<Bubbas_Brain> 67 oz --- that's about a liter!
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Interesting they'd play a competing product
<Rotonoto> no littering here! harsh fines levied
<Dexter_Fong> Lebee...Lebee
<Bubbas_Brain> Expect more from a liter.
<Rotonoto> LaBatts?
<DocTechnical> BTW, for you New Jersey Firesign fans who have managed to
hang in long enough to read this far, NJN (the New Jersey Network) will
be running the "Weirdly Cool" Firesign special again on august 25th at
3am (time approximate, check your local listings or your astrologer,
whoever comes first)
<uhmeow> why competing? they were all promoting each other. look at r.
williams and carlin promoting firesign todya
<Dexter_Fong> Montreal's next Baseball team = LaBatts
<Bubbas_Brain> Drove my Chevied to the levied....
<DocTechnical> d_f: i think it was an era where props were given where
props were due, kin ya dig it?
<uhmeow> montreal fans stopped suporting the expos about the time the
management did
<Rotonoto> that ought to be time enough to get out the instruction
manual and get this dang blamed VCR programmed...
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: That's today, and they're not really competing...but
when you're doing a comedy show, playing comedy material by others is
....unusual
<DocTechnical> buy the levy was rye?
<DocTechnical> but
<uhmeow> not at all, dex
<DocTechnical> cat: re expos: funny how that works...
<Rotonoto> (it ain't the piles or the converter...)
<uhmeow> the idea is, the audience tunes in to be amused. so when your
voice gets tired, play someone else being funny
<Bubbas_Brain> A rye sense of humor?
<uhmeow> firesign played mostly music on their shows, but the comedy was
lord buckly. that says something
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: I'd disagree...they certainly weren't doing by the
time of DF and DF Let's eat.
<uhmeow> catcher in the rye? pitcher in the vodka?
<DocTechnical> radio free oz was not technically the firesign theatre -
it was peter bergman and friends, and they played music in between the
(largely improvised) bits
<uhmeow> years later, dex
<uhmeow> this was a 4 hour radio show they did in 67. bergman's show
before that on kpfk was even longer, as i recall
<uhmeow> needed filler badly
<Dexter_Fong> DT: Music yes, even funny music, but playing comedy
records can, if you're not really cookin', make you look bad
<uhmeow> even bergman can't talk That much
<uhmeow> make the firesing look bad?fuck. NOBODY can do that.
<Dexter_Fong> Cat: Ok, yes...really long show ...you *do* run outta steam
<DocTechnical> dear friends and let's eat were '70 - '72, right? radio
free oz started back in '66 and ran through - what, '69?
<uhmeow> last show was jan 69 or dec 68
<DocTechnical> also, lord buckley was most definitely not considered a
mainstream comedy act in his day
<uhmeow> then they did KPPC show Hour Hour 11/69-7-70
<uhmeow> indei'd
<Rotonoto> lord eddy- there's money in this matress!
<Dexter_Fong> DT: Yes, LB was never mainstream =))
<DocTechnical> he made a name for himself in the beatnik contingent,
late '50s onward - the hippies embraced him as an inspiration in the
mid-late '60s
* Dexter_Fong snaps fingers
<Rotonoto> like- cool! man...
<Dexter_Fong> Solid Jackson
<Dexter_Fong> The 6th Brother
<DocTechnical> cat: by the time of the hour hour, were they pretty much
working in the format they honed in dear friends? i.e. just the guys
talking amongst themselves?
<DocTechnical> "willie the shake," "the nazz" - brilliant monologues
<Dexter_Fong> Jonah and the Whale
<DocTechnical> lol (and what of Action Jackson? Bastard son?)
<Dexter_Fong> Action Ajckson...The Real White Brother
<uhmeow> no no, hour hour was before dear friends. and MUCH more
scripted, as it would seem to me, though i havent asked them aboutit
<Rotonoto> lord buckley- there's matress on this money!
<uhmeow> they brought in lit from their earliest shows, and riffed on it
<uhmeow> wrote stuff from at least late 66
<Dexter_Fong> Don Buckly, we should go to the matresses
<uhmeow> no, i meant df was more scripted. hour hour was lots of
attempts at riffing of tv shows on at the time, and only occasionally
successful but the lads were pushing the enevelope.
* Rotonoto say matress spelled mattress (oh the embarrassment)
<uhmeow> proc was in ny in his first flick and ossman was travelling too
<Rotonoto> Merriam and Webster has spoke
<Rotonoto> ain't no hoke
* Dexter_Fong must relocate his car so they can't find it and give me
citations
<uhmeow> good for them, dex
<Dexter_Fong> Roto: Leave the last "s" off for savings
<Dexter_Fong> night to any who leave, will remain logging (as always)
(GB said I could)
<Rotonoto> Dex cited for extraordinary barvery in the face of
ridiculously dense traffic patterns and extraondinarimundo parking hassles
<Rotonoto> (bravery)
<Dexter_Fong> Roto: Prefer Barvery...but I'm just coasting
<Dexter_Fong> Night you guys
<Rotonoto> nite
<HasNoName> night, dex.
<DocTechnical> nite dex
<DocTechnical> Bervery Coast?
<DocTechnical> oops
<Rotonoto> local bartenders attest his barvery is beyond reprocah
<Rotonoto> reproach
<Rotonoto> (must ber a left-brain/right-brain thing)
<Rotonoto> I'm lis dexic
<Rotonoto> Dex jes' left anyway...
<HasNoName> diz dexic? she used to have a show with Tom Snyder, right?
<DocTechnical> my left brain doesn't know what my right brain is doing
<HasNoName> and her sister liz, too.
<Bubbas_Brain> Dislexics of the world, untie!
<DocTechnical> ...and for some reason, my right brain is quite happy
about that
<HasNoName> that doesn't matter, doc, neither of them is the boss
<Rotonoto> liz sez I have the hands of a surgeon and good touche typing
to boot :o)
<DocTechnical> dyslexic protest sign: "workers of the world untie"
<DocTechnical> hnn: you're so right about that (and i had eggs for
breakfast this morning... !)
<uhmeow> where is julian jaynes when we need him?
<Rotonoto> VG Cod- er, Doc
<HasNoName> "click click click... touche!" indded, roto.
<DocTechnical> oops
<Rotonoto> opps...
<HasNoName> roto is probably a better touche typer than me tonight,
anyways...
<Rotonoto> touche! Have at you!
<DocTechnical> geshundheit
<Rotonoto> projection!
<HasNoName> Zigeunerweisen
<uhmeow> where is klok? the only regular here cogniscent enough to laugh
at my julian jaynes joke
<DocTechnical> hey has - i assume you've seen the film "man of the
century" - ifc has been playing it. what a riot..
<DocTechnical> they did a great job with the dialogue in that one
<HasNoName> the one with Johnny Twenties?
<DocTechnical> yeah, no klok 2nite
<DocTechnical> probably difficul techniculties
<uhmeow> at least he has a job
<HasNoName> Sadly, I don't have IFC, but I saw it in a theater a couple
of years ago... great stuff...
<DocTechnical> hnn: yeah, you got it
<HasNoName> The day I saw that I also saw "Gimme Shelter" and met Albert
Maysles, and saw a 3D porno film with John Holmes in an art musuem
<DocTechnical> i figured you had, it won an audience award at a film
festival and must have been seen in a limited art house release
<HasNoName> amazing the things you remember...
<DocTechnical> first time lili and i caught it (quite by chance) on ifc,
we were hooked - brilliant work
<HasNoName> and there was a Stan Brakhage documentary in the middle of
all that, I think...
<DocTechnical> hnn: shelter, maysles, 3d holmes - quite a day for the
young has no name!
<uhmeow> quite a day for an Old has no name
<DocTechnical> egads, brakhage - i have one of his books, a little tome
the title of which i think was "a moving picture giving and taking book"
... ?
<uhmeow> growing older: What an Option!
<DocTechnical> as opposed to .. ?
<HasNoName> I'd like to see more Brakhage stuff. it doesn't play often
around here, and video isn't the best option...
<uhmeow> the bitsite
<uhmeow> we went to the border on tuesday and the tile we put there with
bit's photo and url on it had bleached completely out.
<uhmeow> a blank tile
<uhmeow> that's the option, doc. all.
<uhmeow> a tabula rosa.
<uhmeow> as if you had never even been at all.
<DocTechnical> yeah i know - it was a rhetorical question.
<DocTechnical> sorry to hear about the bleachout
<uhmeow> steph is investigating medium that would not do that.
<DocTechnical> i imagine it's hard to put something like that up that
can withstand the sun and rain over time
<uhmeow> tile may not be the correct medium
<Rotonoto> suggest some sort of etching technique, cat
<DocTechnical> at least the web site is not bleached out
<uhmeow> the photo on the plaque and the border (you may recall seeing)
has a photo that is time-resistant.
<Rotonoto> etch and then tint for contrast
<uhmeow> sun, rain, whatever, it stays the same
<uhmeow> yes indeed, roto.
<uhmeow> we'll be in italy soon and they've been engraving their
monuments to withstand the millennia. i can learn someting there, per chance
<Rotonoto> texhnique used for years on radios and other electronics-
'grouting', where a white strip is applied in an etched index line
<Rotonoto> on a control knob
<DocTechnical> ok, sorry, confused plauqe with tile
<Rotonoto> some variant of thet
<Rotonoto> that
<uhmeow> no, not the plaq, doc. the plaq is fine, the tile i made this
january had gone to badly bleached by may to non-existant now
<uhmeow> a tabula rosa
<Rotonoto> use some sort of photo-etching technique, as is done with
printed circuit boards
<Rotonoto> then acid-ecth to produce 3D relief
<Rotonoto> etch
<uhmeow> plaq is raised letters of steph's poem and the photo in some
medium that is somehow protected against the elements. must find out
what it is and duplicate for others
<uhmeow> sounds right, roto
<DocTechnical> i could sure use some 3d relief about now - think i'll
turn in
<DocTechnical> or at the very least get some sleep
<Rotonoto> single hued 'half tone'? (one color photo that can be etched)
<uhmeow> ok, good night, doc
<DocTechnical> lili says "howz it goin', eh?"
<uhmeow> i'll email you later this week
<Rotonoto> for comic relief, accept only the firesign theatre
<uhmeow> in did
<DocTechnical> y'all have a good one, catch ya on the flip side
<Rotonoto> say "howza!" back!
<DocTechnical> exit - stage left - snoring all the way -
<Bubbas_Brain> nite doc.
<DocTechnical> will do roto
<DocTechnical> nytol (zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
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<Rotonoto> exeunt...
<HasNoName> night, doc...
<uhmeow> carrying spears. shaking
<Rotonoto> quaking...
<HasNoName> i'll be off as well, I think...
<Rotonoto> he's getting off...
<uhmeow> by has
<HasNoName> aloha...
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<Rotonoto> Sleepytown, 1/32nd mile...
<uhmeow> allo, has? allo?
<Rotonoto> computer chat presence il morte!
<Bubbas_Brain> bye roto.
<Rotonoto> (breaks down in uncontrollable sobs)
<Rotonoto> nite bubs
<uhmeow> we all drift into the ether
<Rotonoto> nite guise. BTW I take it kend^ is off playing with his kittys
<Bubbas_Brain> ether / or
<Rotonoto> he is such a nite owl now
<uhmeow> i'm gonna miss you guys when i'm in other continents and stuff.
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<Rotonoto> jes' like moi
<uhmeow> but then again.....
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* Dexter_Fong return, safely ensconced
<Dexter_Fong> heh...guess I missed all the exposition, and everything
* Dexter_Fong surmises that there will prolly be no more chatting, and
Kend^ is here, so . . .
<bfwestley> I guess so...I was busy crunching audio
* Dexter_Fong singing off . . ."o" 'f"
<bfwestley> CU dex
<Dexter_Fong> Night Brian
<bfwestley> singing?
<Dexter_Fong> Off key
<Dexter_Fong> Glad to here about the many hits... =)
<bfwestley> I am calling YoooooOOOOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOooooOOoooooou...
<bfwestley> 29k now
<Dexter_Fong> This is the Howl of the Wolf hour
<Dexter_Fong> Night once and again
<bfwestley> byeee
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