Brass Eye: Noel Edmonds denounces Chris Morris!
dougal mckinnon
Disco Stu wrote:
> NOEL EDMONDS today hit out at Channel 4 saying the station
> should be "ashamed" after it roped him into making a spoof
> anti-drugs video.
>
> He is furious with the stunt by comedian Chris Morris who
> convinced him a deadly new drug, Cake, imported from the
> Czech republic, was the latest craze with teenagers. In
> a 400-word statement, Edmonds denounced the joke as "crass"
> and "tasteless".
>
> "Making capital in this way out of drug abuse is one of
> the sickest and most brutal things I've ever heard of,"
> [said the elephant-murderer, who should know a thing or
> two about unfortunate "stunts" on television
> programs - nick] The drug does not exist but Edmonds
> readily agreed to do a voice-over for an anti-drugs
> campaign when approached by a fictitious charity.
> "There are a lot of people who should be ashamed of their
> role in this fiasco," he said. The series, Brass Eye, has
> been cancelled by Channel 4, who said it was "not ready"
> for transmission.
>
Well, even if we don't get to see "Brass Eye" at least we get some comedy
out of its cancellation. Not so funny when the shoe's on the other foot
then, is it, Edmonds? Compare spoofing MPs and yourself with your own
most recent efforts - minor Eastenders actress given crash helmet too
big, ha, ha, ha - and you'll see who's the more creative, you overpaid
little wanker.
I can just hear Edmonds soft, sympathetic tones over the anti-drug ad.
Any chance someone can screen it on "Noel's Arse Party", present him with
a "Gotcha!" and film the expression on his face? Brilliant.
If Edmonds is that worried about drug abuse why doesn't he scrap his
juvenile, playground little pranks and give the money to support groups?
I remember reading about some tremendously funny jape he pulled on Derek
Jameson where he pretended there was a fire in the latter's hotel which
is reported to have cost THOUSANDS to put together. But then, presumably
making fun of hotel fires isn't "crass" or "tasteless"?
Aren't there any End of the year award shows that we can all write in and
vote for Chris Morris and "Brass Eye"?
KRC. Sumner
Disco Stu (ric...@henderr.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: [I'm reposting this from the discussion forum on Channel Four's
: website. It was originally posted by Nick Mailer. Nick, if you're out
: there, thanks for taking the time to transcribe it.
:
: Folks, let's keep up the pressure on Channel Four. Register your
: displeasure about the cancellation of 'Brass Eye' DAILY on Channel
: Four's website (http://www.channel4.com/c4info/areatop.html) - let's
: shame the fuckers into doing something! And if you haven't already
: done so, mail John Willis (tonsil boy), C4's Director of Programmes,
: and Right To Reply.
:
: http://www.electricfrog.co.uk/richardh/brasseye.htm has easy,
: clickable links to enable you to voice your outrage.]
:
: --forwarded message follows-----------------------------------------
:
: London Evening Standard (pg 17)has another
: piece tonight on "Brass Eye", which I quote here:
:
: NOEL EDMONDS RAGES OVER TV DRUG SPOOF
:
: NOEL EDMONDS today hit out at Channel 4 saying the station
: anti-drugs video.
:
: He is furious with the stunt by comedian Chris Morris who
: convinced him a deadly new drug, Cake, imported from the
: Czech republic, was the latest craze with teenagers. In
: a 400-word statement, Edmonds denounced the joke as "crass"
: and "tasteless".
:
: "Making capital in this way out of drug abuse is one of
: the sickest and most brutal things I've ever heard of,"
: [said the elephant-murderer, who should know a thing or
: two about unfortunate "stunts" on television
: programs - nick] The drug does not exist but Edmonds
: readily agreed to do a voice-over for an anti-drugs
: campaign when approached by a fictitious charity.
: "There are a lot of people who should be ashamed of their
: role in this fiasco," he said. The series, Brass Eye, has
: been cancelled by Channel 4, who said it was "not ready"
: for transmission.
HAHAHAHAHA this story is getting better and better!!! Now I simply HAVE to
see Brasseye ( one way or another )
:
: --forwarded message ends--------------------------------------------
:
: There you go [(c) Michael Grade]
:
: Chris Morris has given Noel a taste of his own medicine, and exposed
: him as the addled, useless cunt he undoubtedly is. Channel Four would
: deny us the pleasure of witnessing Noel's ultimate humiliation. Is
: this the action of a "bold and innovative broadcaster"? Verily, I say
: unto thee, it is not.
:
: Channel Four is on the ropes with this one. Let us pummel them into
: submission.
:
: Complain!
:
: http://www.electricfrog.co.uk/richardh/brasseye.htm
:
: rich
: --
: http://www.electricfrog.co.uk/richardh
:
: "You're right! YOU'RE right! Not these fuckers who want to tell you
: how to think! YOU'RE FUCKING RIGHT!"
: - Bill Hicks
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Peter Hipwell
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DAMN, that's funny.
I've never heard of Chris Morris before -- who is he? What else has he
done?
--
"A hah hah hah" -- Sid James.
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co
Did he ever present programmes on Radio 1, I'm not sure it's the same
person, if it is I'd be interested to know ?
Andy J.
Warren Low
dougal mckinnon wrote:
>
> Disco Stu wrote:
>
>
>
> Well, even if we don't get to see "Brass Eye" at least we get some comedy
> out of its cancellation. Not so funny when the shoe's on the other foot
> then, is it, Edmonds? Compare spoofing MPs and yourself with your own
> most recent efforts - minor Eastenders actress given crash helmet too
> big, ha, ha, ha - and you'll see who's the more creative, you overpaid
> little wanker.
>
>
> juvenile, playground little pranks and give the money to support groups?
> I remember reading about some tremendously funny jape he pulled on Derek
> Jameson where he pretended there was a fire in the latter's hotel which
> is reported to have cost THOUSANDS to put together. But then, presumably
> making fun of hotel fires isn't "crass" or "tasteless"?
>
And on the subject of creativity all this is just SO predictable
SURELY for the love of GOD we're not talking about whether Edmunds is a
puritan, nor are we even asking is he funny, we know he's not, but try
and remember the point, Is making a rather infantile gotcha on Edmunds
using the biggest social evil in society today, (with the possible
exception of the Tories) good comedy ?.
O yes what a rib tickler, lets pretend there's a new drug and put out a
health education message using somebody in the public eye, who would
probably appeal to the very people most at risk from using such a drug,
and then, yes wait for it, this is just so funny, LETS SAY IT'S ALL JUST
A BIG FIB, O yes what a jolly jape, Even now I can see the drug barons
cracking ribs.
Anyway good for Michael Grade, at least he sees (no) humour when he sees
it. But don't let that stop everybody from posting obscenities.
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co
Peter Hipwell wrote:
>
> In article <32952300...@news.demon.co.uk> ric...@henderr.demon.co.uk writes:
>
> done?
Andy J writes,
The question has been answered. He was in fact a guy who did a spell on
Radio 1. Let's see if we get the story right. From reliable sources, it
would appear that Morris had a thing about shock and obscenity. Talented?
- perhaps, bur how much talent does it take to shock people.
Here were some of the items from his Radio 1 broadcast beamed out in the
early afternoon, Boxing Day a couple of years ago. Keep in mind that this
was a "family" day. No children at school, with many people perhaps in
cars etc., listening to this respected BBC station with their children.
1) A sketch about Jesus masturbating over St. Peters Square.
2) A pretence that Jimmy Saville had died.
And here's one that I understand a quick thinking tech managed to pull
from the tape, seconds before it was about to be broadcast.
3) A warning that a jumbo jet was about to crash land on the M23 Motorway
and that everybody should get out their cars and run for their lives.
Supporters of Chris Morris, will no doubt tell us that this was all
hysterical. In fact you or I could do better. Not only could we come up
with bizarre ideas that are painfully funny, but we could do it without
causing offence at a time of Christian celebration. We could do it
without upsetting close friends or relatives of Jimmy Saville (including
many people in hospital who he has cared for). No doubt we could do it
without putting horror, into the lives of families who may have had
relatives flying from Gatwick airport on that day, or the same for
families of air crew. No doubt we could have done it without causing
people to break the law, stopping on a motorway, endangering their own
lives and the lives of other road users.
Two points here.
1. This is not the work of a genius, it's the work of a pervert. A fool.
A coward. A person without care or responsibility.
2. The BBC showed gross disregard for it's listeners in allowing it to be
broadcast. In particular, it marked the start of the slide of the BBC
under John Birt and his new Radio 1 controller, who has since allowed his
station to broadcast from the gutter, and lose millions in it's audience.
Even with the alleged success of Chris Evans, the station has never
regained it's previous figures.
On a legal point. The BBC is on record as having received dozens, if not
hundreds of complaints about Morris. The BBC never releases copies of
it's tapes until it gets into court. It is likely that none of the people
who complained could prove what they heard. Had they been able to,
complaints should have been made at police stations. The BBC would have
been in court, and Morris would have met his demise quicker.
I don't much care for Edmonds - but I think he's right on this one.
Andy J.
Chris Morris
pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk (Peter Hipwell) wrote:
>DAMN, that's funny.
>I've never heard of Chris Morris before -- who is he? What else has he
>done?
Me either, but imagine my shock at seeing the subject header the first
time! I don't even KNOW Noel Edmonds. Why's the guy slamming me??
:>
-Chris
Neil DEASON
Warren Low (soa...@staffs.ac.uk) wrote:
: dougal mckinnon wrote:
: >
<snip>
: >
: > If Edmonds is that worried about drug abuse why doesn't he scrap his
: > juvenile, playground little pranks and give the money to support groups?
: > I remember reading about some tremendously funny jape he pulled on Derek
: > Jameson where he pretended there was a fire in the latter's hotel which
: > is reported to have cost THOUSANDS to put together. But then, presumably
: > making fun of hotel fires isn't "crass" or "tasteless"?
: SURELY for the love of GOD we're not talking about whether Edmunds is a
: puritan, nor are we even asking is he funny, we know he's not, but try
: and remember the point, Is making a rather infantile gotcha on Edmunds
: using the biggest social evil in society today, (with the possible
: exception of the Tories) good comedy ?.
:
: O yes what a rib tickler, lets pretend there's a new drug and put out a
: health education message using somebody in the public eye, who would
: probably appeal to the very people most at risk from using such a drug,
NO recreational drugs are so dangerous as to make Noel Edmonds appealing!!
: and then, yes wait for it, this is just so funny, LETS SAY IT'S ALL JUST
: A BIG FIB, O yes what a jolly jape, Even now I can see the drug barons
: cracking ribs.
Are you not slightly concerned that Home Office ministers (the people
responsible for drug education in the UK!) are stupid enough to go on TV
and talk about the dangers of a drug that doesn't even exist! What does
this tell you about their understanding of the drugs issues???
: Anyway good for Michael Grade, at least he sees (no) humour when he sees
: it. But don't let that stop everybody from posting obscenities.
I think it is not only very funny and also has a serious point to make
about how willing politicians and TV personalities are to cynically
exploit drugs issues for their own personal advancement.
Neil
(N.De...@cs.ucl.ac.uk)
TarlaStar
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co, uk wrote:
>Andy J writes,
>The question has been answered. He was in fact a guy who did a spell on
>Radio 1. Let's see if we get the story right. From reliable sources, it
>would appear that Morris had a thing about shock and obscenity. Talented?
>- perhaps, bur how much talent does it take to shock people.
More than you have, I'd bet.
>Here were some of the items from his Radio 1 broadcast beamed out in the
>early afternoon, Boxing Day a couple of years ago. Keep in mind that this
>was a "family" day. No children at school, with many people perhaps in
>cars etc., listening to this respected BBC station with their children.
>1) A sketch about Jesus masturbating over St. Peters Square.
>2) A pretence that Jimmy Saville had died.
Is there something wrong with masturbation? Who the fuck is Jimmy
Saville and why should anyone care if he's dead or alive?
>And here's one that I understand a quick thinking tech managed to pull
>from the tape, seconds before it was about to be broadcast.
>3) A warning that a jumbo jet was about to crash land on the M23 Motorway
>and that everybody should get out their cars and run for their lives.
So...it was never broadcast, but you're bitching about it anyway?
>Supporters of Chris Morris, will no doubt tell us that this was all
>hysterical. In fact you or I could do better.
Then why the hell haven't you? I'm betting it's because you're find it
difficult to be clever with that cob jammed so far up your ass.
> Not only could we come up
>with bizarre ideas that are painfully funny, but we could do it without
>causing offence at a time of Christian celebration. We could do it
>without upsetting close friends or relatives of Jimmy Saville (including
>many people in hospital who he has cared for). No doubt we could do it
>without putting horror, into the lives of families who may have had
>relatives flying from Gatwick airport on that day, or the same for
>families of air crew. No doubt we could have done it without causing
>people to break the law, stopping on a motorway, endangering their own
>lives and the lives of other road users.
But...could you get someone to PAY you to do it? I doubt it. You can't
even make me chuckle in a usenet post.
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co
TarlaStar wrote:
TarlaStar - Living proof that care in the community has failed.
CJ Chantler
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co, uk wrote:
> it
> would appear that Morris had a thing about shock
> and obscenity. Talented?
> - perhaps, bur how much talent does it take to
> shock people.
Yes, Morris is into shock and obscenity. But most
of his stuff is simply to befuddle. Look at his
brilliant weekly routine where he got Paul Garner
to go 'shop-bothering'; complaining that the coin
was too hot, getting him to ask the newsagent if
he lives in a citadel or if he's ever been to
hell. He revels in a sort of childishness -
another example is the 'Sock Quiz', where he gets
children to say 'suck' with a sock in their mouth
so it sounds rude. That's so childish it's
pathetic, and that's why it's funny.
> We could do it
> without upsetting close friends or relatives of
> Jimmy Saville (including
> many people in hospital who he has cared for).
Aahhh.
So Radio 1 is supposed to worry about the effects
of Chris Morris' broadcast on a tiny minority of
listeners? Besides, wasn't the Jimmy Saville death
joke followed by a short vox pop of someone which
made plain that the item wasn't serious? In any
case, how can anyone believe such an item when it
rubs shoulders with news items like "Elastic song
strangles Hucknall"?
> No doubt we could have done it without causing
> people to break the law, stopping on a motorway,
> endangering their own
> lives and the lives of other road users.
What sort of idiot would actually stop on the
motorway and run away from a jumbo jet anyway? If
there's a jumbo jet coming for them, what chance
have they got of out-running it? All they have to
do is look at the sky anyway.
If you've been listening to the show in the car
for any length of time you'll know it's a comedy
anyway. Can anyone listen to the Morris radio show
for more than 5 minutes without knowing it's not a
serious Radio 1 DJ news and travel slot? And if
you don't like it, turn it off. Listen to Radio 2.
You're in a microscopic minority on this topic.
> 1. This is not the work of a genius, it's the
> work of a pervert. A fool.
> A coward. A person without care or
> responsibility.
A genius, who is practically alone in broadcasting
in not wanting to mollycoddle the stupid by
assuming everyone in Britain is a humourless
simpleton.
CX(tc)
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co
CJ Chantler wrote:
>
> A...@voxpops.bytenet.co, uk wrote:
He revels in a sort of childishness -
> another example is the 'Sock Quiz', where he gets
> children to say 'suck' with a sock in their mouth
> so it sounds rude. That's so childish it's
> pathetic, and that's why it's funny.
Oh dear......another one.
> > We could do it
> > without upsetting close friends or relatives of
> > Jimmy Saville (including
> > many people in hospital who he has cared for).
>
> Aahhh.
> So Radio 1 is supposed to worry about the effects
> of Chris Morris' broadcast on a tiny minority of
> listeners? Besides, wasn't the Jimmy Saville death
> joke followed by a short vox pop of someone which
> made plain that the item wasn't serious?
Oh thats fine then. Give some old dear a heart attack and then say:
"but I was only joking"
> > No doubt we could have done it without causing
> > people to break the law, stopping on a motorway,
> > endangering their own
> > lives and the lives of other road users.
>
> What sort of idiot would actually stop on the
> motorway and run away from a jumbo jet anyway? If
> there's a jumbo jet coming for them, what chance
> have they got of out-running it? All they have to
> do is look at the sky anyway.
I'm trying to latch on to your humour, give me time.
> If you've been listening to the show in the car
> for any length of time you'll know it's a comedy
> anyway. Can anyone listen to the Morris radio show
> for more than 5 minutes without knowing it's not a
> serious Radio 1 DJ news and travel slot? And if
> you don't like it, turn it off. Listen to Radio 2.
> You're in a microscopic minority on this topic.
On average, a listener will listen to a staion for about an hour.
Obviously there are some that stay glued, also people dahing in and out
of a shop. car, kitchen etc. Some listen for 5 mins, 10mins, 15 mins.
Radio presenters often make the mistake of thinking, that the entire
population are hangin on their every word. A simple message like "Jimmy
Saville" is dead, or "There's a plane about to crash on the M 23 can
cause distress and in some cases panic.
If you don't beleive me try this. Get a friend who has a Radio programme
to announce tomorrow, that Chris Morris has been found guilty of sexually
abusing small children. Then five minutes later say "Oh, by the way, I
was only joking". If your theory is correct, then Chris won't mind in the
slightest. I mean, it's only an amzingly imaginitive piece of fun isn't
it.
What else could we say? How about someone has left a bomb at the school
where his children attend, or his girlfriend accuses him of beating her
up. Or....he's dead.
I do believe I'm getting the hang of this. I'm brilliant....this is all
incredibly funny. I wish I had thought of it years ago, I would be very
rich by now.
Chris may be very talented. Where he fails in an inabilty to self-edit.
To know where to stop. To understand the difference between comedy in a
night club and comedy broadcasting to children at Christmas on the radio.
Anything goes .....in the right place.
What a shame he can't understand...........he could be so big.
Andy Jackson.
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co
David Toube
CJ Chantler <cj...@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:
:Aahhh.
:So Radio 1 is supposed to worry about the effects
:of Chris Morris' broadcast on a tiny minority of
:listeners? Besides, wasn't the Jimmy Saville death
:joke followed by a short vox pop of someone which
:rubs shoulders with news items like "Elastic song
:strangles Hucknall"?
John Major and Norman Lamont, dressed as Stan and Ollie, with the
caption 'That's another fine mess you've gotten us into', on the
basis that some people might think that the PM and the Chancellor
of the Exchequer *really had* dressed up as the two comedians.
Hmm.
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Nick Mailer
> Anything goes .....in the right place.
What you fail to realise is that in the current hysterical moral minority
climate, the wrong place, in certain circumstances, becomes the right
place. Chris's comedy (if you've ever bothered to listen to or watch it)
fits into that category very well.
Lighten up, old chap and go and read some Swift - learn that vicious,
"improper" and highly crafter satire is as British as the Queen Mum -
ermm... except she's German. Ermm.. well, you know what I mean.
> What a shame he can't understand...........he could be so big.
He does understand and he doesn't want to be "so big". He wants to rattle
the media cage, and his success in so doing cannot be denied.
I'm afraid the one who doesn't understand - the one who fails to appreciate
the context, the subject of the comedy, what exactly is BEING satirised and
so forth. All you hear are reports of some naughty, nasty words in the
Daily Mail and worry about the poor little kiddies being depraved and
corrupted (is there anything more nausiating than the concept of a "family
show").
Come on, we're strange apes alive for the barest moment on a little piece
of rock in a Universe hurtling towards entropic nothingness. You might as
well enjoy the ride instead of trying to be everyone's Great Uncle.
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk
Mick Nailer wrote:
> What you fail to realise is that in the current hysterical moral minority
> climate, the wrong place, in certain circumstances, becomes the right
> place. Chris's comedy (if you've ever bothered to listen to or watch it)
> fits into that category very well.
Yes, man that's really cool. Like let's go into a crowded undeground
train and shout "FIRE!!!".
> He does understand and he doesn't want to be "so big". He wants to rattle
> the media cage.
Everyone's happy then. What a great success. Have we spelt his name
correctly ?
> All you hear are reports of some naughty, nasty words in the
> Daily Mail and worry about the poor little kiddies being depraved and
> corrupted.
Wrong, can't stand the Mail, or the rest. I only use information
I get from reliable sources.
(is there anything more nausiating than the concept of a "family show").
Here is the givaway of course. Does the image of a family upset you? Does
introducing areas of life to a child, at the time best suited to the
individual child's needs offend you ? (Talk slowly, you can tell me
everything, you are among friends here.) Were you robbed of your
childhood too ?
Nothing bad about that. Have you thought about counselling ?
> Come on, we're strange apes alive for the barest moment on a little
piece
> of rock in a Universe hurtling towards entropic nothingness. You might as
> well enjoy the ride instead of trying to be everyone's Great Uncle.
Oh sure man, let's all get high and go with the flow. Whoever can get
most high and does the most degrading act to a disabled granny, will be
our leader.
You seem to confirm the following:
1) Chris should be allowed to say whatever he want in front of any
person, regardless of age.
2) He is without fault in your eyes.
3) Nobody on this planet is fit to judge him.
3) People who disagree are obviously Daily Mail readers.
Just fot the record, I love alternative humour. I detest the fact it
takes so long to get people to look at things from a different
perspective. I know that if it were not for the mavericks of the world,
that nothing would ever change. However the particular items which I
referred to do not require a genius. All it takes is someone to say, "I
don't give a toss what broadcasting regulation say, I don't give a toss
whose listening, I'm going to say anything I want to because I find it
funny." That seems to be the kind of daytime broadcasting, you want.
On tape - possibly.
On limited access - possibly.
On the national young persons radio station - no.
Andy.
Darren Meldrum
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote:
>I know for a fact that Jimmy Saville spends more than any person in
>showbusiness, working in hospitals for nothing. Hours and hours and hours
>of the most tedious and dedicated work. What do you know, or do you have
>a hunch ? I know Noel is professional and hard working. I don't exactly
>like his style of humour, he's not my cup of tea.. What do you know ?
I am not aware of Chris Morris killing a member of the public in the
name of entertainment. The same cannot be said of Noel Edmonds. Or do
we all have short memories?
--
Darren Meldrum (mel...@dial.pipex.com)
"You look like somebody owns you now."
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk
You are wreckless with your words. One day, you or Chris or any other of
his supporters may have some responsibility. It may be at work, or in a
family context. Your lack of care must be as a result of some kind of sad
upbringing. I hope one day you are able to see a little further than your
nose.
The world can be exiting, challenging, hilarious and sometimes
frustrating. It should be richer through the people like me and you
questioning established order. Getting people to re-examine their act,
it's so important. Write to me in five years - when you've lived a bit.
Andy J.
Cait
Re: Message from
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co, uk
posted - Sunday 24th at some time or other.
If anyone missed this message, well I haven't bothered re-printing it,
it was a pathetic diatribe thaat I'm sure you'll be able to find
somewhere. In fact - I would, you'll understand when you see it.
Andy - the whole point is that we're fed mindless drivel and actual
lies by the tv, radio, papers and by the govt every day of our lives
(doesn't his 'cake' incident prove that?). You really believe that Mr
saville is Mr Whiter Than White? And Noel Edmonds? then you're a bigger
victim than you think Morris' supporters are. What people like Morris
are doing is pricking the bubble and letting us see the crass way these
people live their media induced lives - and it's *supposed* to cause as
huge a reaction as possible in it's audience. One more thing - his Radio
1 show was on at 9 at night - ie, wee kids weren't listening - be
realistic. And forgive me for saying so but it's a choice isn't it after
all?
You can choose to watch a vivid, nasty, purile, hilarious piece of
anarchism masquearding as a comedy show, or you can switch over.
Switch over mate - then you'll never even know it's there.
C.
One more point Andy - after you've created award winning TV comedy and
come up with something as shockingly good as 'The Day Today' and 'On The
Hour' - THEN start saying Chris Morris isn't talented, you big eedjit.
PS - I've NOT wasted a ton of BW posting this to every bloody person on
earth.
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk
Cait wrote:
>
> Re: Message from
> A...@voxpops.bytenet.co, uk
> posted - Sunday 24th at some time or other.
> Andy - the whole point is that we're fed mindless drivel and actual
> lies by the tv, radio, papers and by the govt every day of our lives
> (doesn't his 'cake' incident prove that?). You really believe that Mr
> saville is Mr Whiter Than White? And Noel Edmonds? then you're a bigger
> victim than you think Morris' supporters are.
I know for a fact that Jimmy Saville spends more than any person in
showbusiness, working in hospitals for nothing. Hours and hours and hours
of the most tedious and dedicated work. What do you know, or do you have
a hunch ? I know Noel is professional and hard working. I don't exactly
like his style of humour, he's not my cup of tea.. What do you know ?
>One more thing - his Radio
> 1 show was on at 9 at night - ie, wee kids weren't listening - be
> realistic.
You are wrong, the show we are speaking about which featured Jesus
masturbating over St. Peter's Square and Jimmy Saville dying, was on
Boxing Day IN THE AFTERNOON - about 2 to 3 years ago. If you don't
believe me ask Chris.
> PS - I've NOT wasted a ton of BW posting this to every bloody person on
> earth.
Yes you did.
Andy.
Nick Mailer
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co; uk wrote in article
<57cd42$c...@neptune.theplanet.co.uk>...
> TarlaStar wrote:
>
> TarlaStar - Living proof that care in the community has failed.
AJ - Living proof that the Daily Mail has succeeded (in some quarters,
anyway).
Brian D Milner
Neil DEASON <uca...@cs.ucl.ac.uk> wrote:
>Warren Low (soa...@staffs.ac.uk) wrote:
>: O yes what a rib tickler, lets pretend there's a new drug and put out a
>: health education message using somebody in the public eye, who would
>: probably appeal to the very people most at risk from using such a drug,
>
>responsible for drug education in the UK!) are stupid enough to go on TV
>and talk about the dangers of a drug that doesn't even exist! What does
>this tell you about their understanding of the drugs issues???
No - I'm not the slightest concerned that politicians are not experts on
drugs. However, I'm horrified that both main parties refuse to consult
the people who *are* the experts. SCODA and Release, Lifeline and Brixton
Drugs Agency - all call for cannabis law reform!
Why are the Liberal Democrats the only party who call for a Royal
Commission on Drugs? Perhaps the other parties are worried that a
new royal comission would end up with the same opinions as all Drug
Policy Studies have - cannabis laws need reform?
There's a summary of Drugs Policy Studies studies at:
http://www.foobar.co.uk/users/ukcia/politics/studies.html
Drugs Policy Studies
http://calyx.com/~schaffer/library/studlist.html
Drugs Policy Studies
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******** Ecological Meltdown - We're all going to die (#4) ******
The Ozone hole was bigger in 1996 than it was in 1995. It'll get bigger
for many more years, as it takes a long time for CFCs to rise through the
atmosphere. The damage we see today was caused by pollutants released
in 1981. Current CFC controls still aren't achieving their targets. Oops!
===== WWW == http://www.brunel.ac.uk/~ccusbdm/home.htm ====We The Freed==
Andrew Finlay
In article <329ac3bc...@news.qmw.ac.uk>, David Toube
<D.S....@qmw.ac.uk> writes
>CJ Chantler <cj...@ukc.ac.uk> wrote:
>:Aahhh.
>:So Radio 1 is supposed to worry about the effects
>:of Chris Morris' broadcast on a tiny minority of
>:listeners? Besides, wasn't the Jimmy Saville death
>:joke followed by a short vox pop of someone which
>:made plain that the item wasn't serious? In any
>:case, how can anyone believe such an item when it
>:rubs shoulders with news items like "Elastic song
>:strangles Hucknall"?
>I have a friend who surprised me by objecting to a mock up of
>John Major and Norman Lamont, dressed as Stan and Ollie, with the
>caption 'That's another fine mess you've gotten us into', on the
>basis that some people might think that the PM and the Chancellor
>of the Exchequer *really had* dressed up as the two comedians.
>
>Hmm.
>
>[some random groups trimmed]
Now there's someone who understands how stupid the British public really
are.
--
Andrew Finlay
Justicar (Antony Johnston)
In article <329A90...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk>, A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk
wrote:
> > >I know for a fact that Jimmy Saville spends more than any person in
> > >showbusiness, working in hospitals for nothing. Hours and hours and hours
> > >of the most tedious and dedicated work.
Absolutely. I love the guy for just being ridiculously eccentric and
sincere. But does that mean we can't take the piss out of him? I think
not.
> You are wreckless with your words. One day, you or Chris or any other of
> his supporters may have some responsibility. It may be at work, or in a
> family context. Your lack of care must be as a result of some kind of sad
> upbringing. I hope one day you are able to see a little further than your
> nose.
>
Care for what exactly? This doesn;t make sense. What, care about the
effect the guy's death had on Noel Edmonds? Oh yes, that would be his
response of "I'll never work in showbiz again", swiftly followed by the
death of his wife and, er, Noel's House Party. Presumably got bored
sitting at home mourning and thought "hang it, we're evens now."
> The world can be exiting, challenging, hilarious and sometimes
> frustrating. It should be richer through the people like me and you
> questioning established order.
So why do you defend Messrs Edmonds and Saville so much?
Justicar
http://subnet.virtual-pc.com/~jo437306/
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Steve Phillips
In article <57cga4$c...@neptune.theplanet.co.uk>, A...@voxpops.bytenet.co, uk writes:
>> > We could do it
>> > without upsetting close friends or relatives of
>> > Jimmy Saville (including
>> > many people in hospital who he has cared for).
>>
>> So Radio 1 is supposed to worry about the effects
>> of Chris Morris' broadcast on a tiny minority of
>> listeners? Besides, wasn't the Jimmy Saville death
>> joke followed by a short vox pop of someone which
>> made plain that the item wasn't serious?
Hmm. Mr Morris' humour does sound a bit crap to me. I can laugh at most
things but a mock-newsreader saying "Jimmy Savile is dead" takes some warped
thinking to find funny!
The trouble with most of the wind-up phone call brigade is that, nine times
out of ten, they just end up taking the piss out of crappily-paid
switchboard operators and receptionists because that's only as far as they
get! Pretty cheap and silly if you ask me.
The loss of this show per se is no big deal in my opinion, but the precedent
it sets for TV censorship is a bit more concerning.
Steve
CJ Chantler
Warren Low wrote:
> O yes what a rib tickler, lets pretend there's a
> new drug and put out a
> health education message using somebody in the
> public eye, who would
> probably appeal to the very people most at risk
> from using such a drug,
Would it? What, pensioners and toddlers?
I thought the idea of Noel Edmonds being chosen
to do a voice-over for an anti-drugs campaign
hilarious in itself, simply because he's such a
trivial lightweight. I'm amazed he agreed to do it
in the first place.
> and then, yes wait for it, this is just so
> funny, LETS SAY IT'S ALL JUST
> A BIG FIB, O yes what a jolly jape, Even now I
> can see the drug barons
> cracking ribs.
No one has seen this particular 'jape', so
commenting on how it comes across is impossible.
As I read it, the drug was called 'Cake' because
it would lead to hilariously childish phrases
about 'taking steps in Cake awareness' and
'cracking down on Cake' and 'persuading people not
to do Cake', which would sound patently ridiculous
and funny.
The fact is that Edmonds, a multi-millionaire
game show host famous for inventing a big pink
balloon-man, was vain enough to think he was
seriously a good choice to do an anti-drugs
campaign, and that he didn't do any research on
the drug at all - simply went in, did the piece,
and assumed people would think he was a caring and
thoughtful individual. Then he didn't twig how
bizarre the notion of a 'Cake epidemic' sounded.
All this controversy has done is shown up the
sanctimonious willingness with which self-serving
tossers attach themselves to a campaign that they
know nothing about to make themselves look good.
> Anyway good for Michael Grade, at least he sees
> (no) humour when he sees
> it.
I don't think 'Brass Eye' was pulled because Grade
didn't find it funny. If it was, we've got more to
worry about than we thought. As for your own
judgement, how can you possibly make it having not
seen it?
> But don't let that stop everybody from
> posting obscenities.
Obscenities? Like what? Support of Morris?
Opinions which differ from yours?
CX(tc)
Iain Rowan
On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 21:00:19 -0800, A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote:
>
>I know for a fact that Jimmy Saville spends more than any person in
>showbusiness, working in hospitals for nothing. Hours and hours and hours
>of the most tedious and dedicated work. What do you know, or do you have
>a hunch ? I know Noel is professional and hard working. I don't exactly
>like his style of humour, he's not my cup of tea.. What do you know ?
You know *for a fact* that Jimmy Saville spends more than any person
in showbusiness, working in hospitals for nothing? For a fact? More
than any person in showbusiness?
Have you done some kind of survey into the visiting habits of every
showbiz personality? Or are you just dressing your own personal
opinions up as super-hard facts to try and disguise what is
essentially a rather impoverished argument?
Iain
>>One more thing - his Radio
>> 1 show was on at 9 at night - ie, wee kids weren't listening - be
>> realistic.
>
>You are wrong, the show we are speaking about which featured Jesus
>masturbating over St. Peter's Square and Jimmy Saville dying, was on
>Boxing Day IN THE AFTERNOON - about 2 to 3 years ago. If you don't
>believe me ask Chris.
>
>> PS - I've NOT wasted a ton of BW posting this to every bloody person on
>> earth.
>
>Yes you did.
>
>Andy.
--
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I hereby give notice that any junk e-mail is received on
the understanding that the sender forfeits all their
worldly posssessions to me as well as a kidney should
I ever need one. Acquisition of my e-mail address from
USENET is regarded as acceptance of these terms.
Nick Mailer
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote in article
<329A64...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk>...
> Mick Nailer wrote:
>
> > What you fail to realise is that in the current hysterical moral
minority
> > climate, the wrong place, in certain circumstances, becomes the right
> > place. Chris's comedy (if you've ever bothered to listen to or watch
it)
> > fits into that category very well.
>
> Yes, man that's really cool. Like let's go into a crowded undeground
> train and shout "FIRE!!!".
No, that's more Noel Edmonds' style (he did just about that in a hotel to
get Derek Jameson out).
> > He does understand and he doesn't want to be "so big". He wants to
rattle
> > the media cage.
>
> Everyone's happy then. What a great success. Have we spelt his name
> correctly ?
>
> > All you hear are reports of some naughty, nasty words in the
> > Daily Mail and worry about the poor little kiddies being depraved and
> > corrupted.
>
> Wrong, can't stand the Mail, or the rest. I only use information
> I get from reliable sources.
Oh yeah? I repeat - have you ever listened to or watched his material? If
not, you have even less right to your sanctimony than I thought.
> (is there anything more nausiating than the concept of a "family show").
>
> Here is the givaway of course. Does the image of a family upset you? Does
> introducing areas of life to a child, at the time best suited to the
> individual child's needs offend you ? (Talk slowly, you can tell me
> everything, you are among friends here.) Were you robbed of your
> childhood too ?
I enjoyed a very happy childhood, except I was in South Africa, where
satirists were thrown in prison. There were lots of "family shows" on
television throughout the apartheid era, and lots of happy little (white)
kids never knowing anything more than the cosily constructed unreality.
Very Christian country, South Africa was. Nice hymns on Sunday. No swearing
allowed on television. The Lords name was NEVER taken in vain. No nudity,
of course. And while we were being fed this pap, prisoners were being
thrown out of windows and children who were not fortunate enough to be pale
were being shot in the townships (which, of course, didn't appear on
television - much too "distasteful"). Don't patronise me. You know
_nothing_ about the potentially horrifying consequences of your "logic",
whereas I have first time experience, and you use it merely to make
personal attacks. If I have to choose between a comedian's shock or a
government torture agent's shock, I know which I would choose. Long may
Chris Morris question everything about our media - its authority, its
methodology, its epistemology. And may people like you constantly get into
knots about what is "appropriate" or not - with the definition of
appropriate, of course, being yours. How convenient.
> Nothing bad about that. Have you thought about counselling ?
And you have the cheek to lecture me about immature and inappropriate
personal attacks.
> > Come on, we're strange apes alive for the barest moment on a little
> piece
> > of rock in a Universe hurtling towards entropic nothingness. You might
as
> > well enjoy the ride instead of trying to be everyone's Great Uncle.
>
> Oh sure man, let's all get high and go with the flow. Whoever can get
> most high and does the most degrading act to a disabled granny, will be
> our leader.
"degrading act to a disabled granny"? What in hell's name are you talking
about? For someone who professes to hate the Daily Mail, you're very
efficient with its erzats melodramatic tone. If you want to see degrading
acts to disabled grannies, listen to the budget this afternoon and hear how
puny the pension is! If you'd like, I'll send you some tapes of On the Hour
so you can actually know what you're talking about, rather than spouting
generalities.
> You seem to confirm the following:
>
> 1) Chris should be allowed to say whatever he want in front of any
> person, regardless of age.
Or rather, Chris is not the parent of every kid in this country. If parents
don't want their kids watching him, they should turn off the switch. And
don't patronise kids either - they are VERY media-savvy, and would probably
be quicker to appreciate the joke and context of the humour than you would
be.
> 2) He is without fault in your eyes.
I do not know him as a person, so cannot comment on him. But as a
broadcaster, I can find little that he has done that I would not applaud,
that is true.
> 3) Nobody on this planet is fit to judge him.
Anyone can judge him all they want. But don't try and inflict that
judgement on other people when you haven't even listened to, read or
watched him sufficiently. You can still make a judgement if you want, but
we can then judge you as being a fool.
> 3) People who disagree are obviously Daily Mail readers.
In general, my epistemological investigations have verified that as
statistically true :-)
> Just fot the record, I love alternative humour.
Mmmm. Someone who still uses the term "alternative humour". Probably think
Smith and Jones is at cutting edge.
>I detest the fact it
> takes so long to get people to look at things from a different
> perspective.
But that is just what Chris Morris DOES with his comedy. To summarise it in
a rather leaden fashion, he takes the style of the media, polishes it to a
tee, and then does something particularly shocking or surreal with it,
subverting it and shaking out one's complacent assumptions about the nature
of the authority behind that style. As Peter Baynham said in his interview,
when they do a sketch about Good Aids and Bad Aids, there may be some
idiots who believe it is an attack on Aids victims, or homophobes who laugh
at the Aids victim, but the point of the sketch was to illustrate how the
media deal with these kid of issues!
>I know that if it were not for the mavericks of the world,
> that nothing would ever change. However the particular items which I
> referred to do not require a genius.
But you never HEARD them! You rely on second-hand reports. You did not hear
his tone, the style, the context - nothing!
>All it takes is someone to say, "I
> don't give a toss what broadcasting regulation say, I don't give a toss
> whose listening, I'm going to say anything I want to because I find it
> funny."
And if it wasn't for the occasional maverick who said just this,
challenging the regulations to the limit, they would ossify and become more
and more rigid, unable to adapt. Have you read Hegel? If so, you will know
about his theory about the dialectic progression of history between
proposition, opposition and resolution. The proposition and opposition
collapses under their own inadequacies to produce the resolution. The
resolution, in turn, becomes the next proposition and goes through the
process again. I believe that Chris Morris is one of these dialectical
"agents", who help to shake up the current "propositions". Of course, his
"opposition" will eventually collapse under its own inconsistencies as
well, but that is not the point.
>That seems to be the kind of daytime broadcasting, you want.
Some-times. I find current daytime broadcasting quite offensive.
> On tape - possibly.
> On limited access - possibly.
> On the national young persons radio station - no.
The nation "young persons radio station". How patronising.
D. Atherton
it, You really believe that Mr
>saville is Mr Whiter Than White? And Noel Edmonds? then you're a bigger
>are doing is pricking the bubble and letting us see the crass way these
>people live their media induced lives - and it's *supposed* to cause as
>1 show was on at 9 at night - ie, wee kids weren't listening - be
>all?
>One more point Andy - after you've created award winning TV comedy and
>come up with something as shockingly good as 'The Day Today' and 'On The
>Hour' - THEN start saying Chris Morris isn't talented, you big eedjit.
>
Hear hear- Let's not forget that Morris satirises the medium (whichever
one he uses at a particular time), the cult of fame built up around
various characters and the pompous self-importance of people like
critics, interviewers and politicians. These are more than mere practical
jokes, they are efforts to puncture the crap which permeates our everyday
lives, and show up these figures for what they are. For example the 'jam
interview' from the Day Today- was Morris trying to reduce a woman to
tears? No, he used an actress to show the ridiculousness of interviewing
techniques. I could list many more,but it'd depress me even more about
Brass Eye being banned.
dave
Dave Atherton fll...@leeds.ac.uk
All views expressed above are my own. So leave 'em alone
------------------------------------
"Separated Siamese twins join parents"
Chris Morris 1992
------------------------------------
Darren Meldrum
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote:
>Darren Meldrum wrote:
>>
>> I am not aware of Chris Morris killing a member of the public in the
>> name of entertainment. The same cannot be said of Noel Edmonds. Or do
>> we all have short memories?
>> --
>You are wreckless with your words. One day, you or Chris or any other of
>his supporters may have some responsibility. It may be at work, or in a
>family context. Your lack of care must be as a result of some kind of sad
>upbringing. I hope one day you are able to see a little further than your
>nose.
I don't intend to get involved in a flame war, I suggest that you keep
your comments to the matter under discussion and leave out the
personal attacks. If you are unable to do this then you are unwelcome
here.
My comments about Mr Edmonds were in response to your assertion that
he is " professional and hard working." I have no doubts that Chris
Morris is also professional and hard working. The fact is that Noel
Edmonds originally started out doing similar radio based pranks and
then moved into doing the same on TV. The increasing desire to be
"daring and adventurous" led to a member of the public being killed in
the mid eighties.
Don't forget that for his "Gotchas" he has persuaded stars to appear
for all sorts of reasons, many of them supposedly "educational". What
the difference between that and what Chris Morris has done with Noel?
I remember Noel Edmonds from around 1980 when he made an elderly lady
think she had electrocuted a telephone engineer. Was that
"professional"?
Noel Edmonds has made millions out of playing practical jokes on
people in the name of entertainment. This exercise has proved that he
cannot take a joke himself.
You'll be defending Jeremy Beadle next.
--
Darren Meldrum (mel...@dial.pipex.com)
"No Cheese Gromit - Not A Bit In The House!"
Nick Mailer
Steve Phillips <rlj...@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in article
<1996Nov2...@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk>...
> In article <57cga4$c...@neptune.theplanet.co.uk>, A...@voxpops.bytenet.co,
uk writes:
> >> > We could do it
> >> > without upsetting close friends or relatives of
> >> > Jimmy Saville (including
> >> > many people in hospital who he has cared for).
> >>
> >> Aahhh.
> >> So Radio 1 is supposed to worry about the effects
> >> of Chris Morris' broadcast on a tiny minority of
> >> listeners? Besides, wasn't the Jimmy Saville death
> >> joke followed by a short vox pop of someone which
> >> made plain that the item wasn't serious?
>
> Hmm. Mr Morris' humour does sound a bit crap to me.
It's amazing how certain people feel able to pontificate on something
they've never seen or heard.
Adam Hamilton
Steve Phillips wrote:
> I can laugh at most
> things but a mock-newsreader saying "Jimmy Savile is dead" takes some warped
> thinking to find funny!
Luckily for you, then, that is NOT what was said on Chris Morris'
show. It was slightly different and that difference makes it funny
(IMHO).
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk
Nick Mailer wrote:
>
> A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote in article
> <329A64...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk>...
> > Mick Nailer wrote:
> >
> > > What you fail to realise is that in the current hysterical moral
> minority
> > > climate, the wrong place, in certain circumstances, becomes the right
> > > place. Chris's comedy (if you've ever bothered to listen to or watch
> it)
> > > fits into that category very well.
Dear Nick,
Thank you for explaining why you feel the way you do. I hope you have
found one or two of my points interesting. You really ought to get to
know Chris better. It would be an education for you !!!
Andy.
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk
Darren Meldrum wrote:
>
> A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote:
>
> >Darren Meldrum wrote:
> >>
> >> I am not aware of Chris Morris killing a member of the public in the
> >> name of entertainment. The same cannot be said of Noel Edmonds. Or d
> Noel Edmonds has made millions out of playing practical jokes on
> people in the name of entertainment. This exercise has proved that he
> cannot take a joke himself.
Like another contributor, it would be a good education for you to meet
Chris. Thank you for all your interesting points.
Andy
Andrew Finlay
In article <57emmp$lbo...@leeds.ac.uk>, "D. Atherton"
<FLL...@leeds.ac.uk> writes
>it, You really believe that Mr
>>saville is Mr Whiter Than White? And Noel Edmonds? then you're a bigger
>>victim than you think Morris' supporters are. What people like Morris
>>are doing is pricking the bubble and letting us see the crass way these
>>people live their media induced lives - and it's *supposed* to cause as
>>huge a reaction as possible in it's audience. One more thing - his Radio
>>1 show was on at 9 at night - ie, wee kids weren't listening - be
>>realistic. And forgive me for saying so but it's a choice isn't it after
>>all?
>
>>One more point Andy - after you've created award winning TV comedy and
>>come up with something as shockingly good as 'The Day Today' and 'On The
>>Hour' - THEN start saying Chris Morris isn't talented, you big eedjit.
>>
>
>Hear hear- Let's not forget that Morris satirises the medium (whichever
>one he uses at a particular time), the cult of fame built up around
>various characters and the pompous self-importance of people like
>critics, interviewers and politicians. These are more than mere practical
>jokes, they are efforts to puncture the crap which permeates our everyday
>lives, and show up these figures for what they are. For example the 'jam
>interview' from the Day Today- was Morris trying to reduce a woman to
>tears? No, he used an actress to show the ridiculousness of interviewing
>techniques. I could list many more,but it'd depress me even more about
>Brass Eye being banned.
>dave
Seems to me that Mr Morris is having a 'cult of fame' built around him.
--
Andrew Finlay
Timothy Peter Georg Sutter
your opinion is humble.
Steve Phillips
Are you, therefore, saying the descriptions of the stunts he's pulled that
have been posted are incorrect?
Steve
David Smith
Dave Atherton fll...@leeds.ac.uk
>
> Hear hear- Let's not forget that Morris satirises the medium (whichever
> one he uses at a particular time), the cult of fame built up around
> various characters and the pompous self-importance of people like
> critics, interviewers and politicians. These are more than mere practical
> jokes, they are efforts to puncture the crap which permeates our everyday
> lives, and show up these figures for what they are. For example the 'jam
> interview' from the Day Today- was Morris trying to reduce a woman to
> tears? No, he used an actress to show the ridiculousness of interviewing
> techniques. I could list many more,but it'd depress me even more about
> Brass Eye being banned.
> dave
>
>
>
Dave Smith would like to add.....
WONDERFUL!!
Its about time someone got this into print (whatever the equvalent term
here is!) That is EXACTLY waht it is about, couldnt agree mmore. And dont
some of those egotistical pricks need it, too!
Now, for goodness sake lets not start putting Chris Morris on a pedastal,
or we will be proving we deserve the Wogans, Edmonds, Beadles of this
world! If Morris 'challenges our perception' of the media, we can at least
rise to the challenge, not to the bait.
D. Atherton
In article
<01bbdba9$29cbd200$9ef8...@onion.tech.easynet.net>,
"Nick Mailer" <ni...@easynet.net> wrote:
>
>
>Steve Phillips <rlj...@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in article
><1996Nov2...@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk>...
>> In article <57cga4$c...@neptune.theplanet.co.uk>,
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co,
>uk writes:
>> >> > We could do it
>> >> > without upsetting close friends or relatives of
>> >> > Jimmy Saville (including
>> >> > many people in hospital who he has cared for).
>> >>
>> >> Aahhh.
>> >> So Radio 1 is supposed to worry about the effects
>> >> of Chris Morris' broadcast on a tiny minority of
>> >> listeners? Besides, wasn't the Jimmy Saville death
>> >> joke followed by a short vox pop of someone which
>> >> made plain that the item wasn't serious?
>>
>> Hmm. Mr Morris' humour does sound a bit crap to me.
>
>It's amazing how certain people feel able to pontificate on
something
>they've never seen or heard.
>
you to be an MP, particularly David Alton or any of his
reactionary chums. You don't need to see something to be
disgusted by it, you merely need to read the rational,
well-balanced "BAN THIS SICK FILTH" review in the Mail or
Express!
Dave Atherton fll...@leeds.ac.uk
All views expressed above are my own.
*************************************
"Brass Eye, smacking the issues of
today until they bleed"
Chris Morris 1996
*************************************
D. Atherton
In article <329A90...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk>,
>>
>> >I know for a fact that Jimmy Saville spends more than any
person in
>> >showbusiness, working in hospitals for nothing. Hours and
hours and hours
>> >of the most tedious and dedicated work. What do you know,
or do you have
>> >a hunch ? I know Noel is professional and hard working. I
don't exactly
>> >like his style of humour, he's not my cup of tea.. What
do you know ?
>>
public in the
>> name of entertainment. The same cannot be said of Noel
>> we all have short memories?
>> --
any other of
>his supporters may have some responsibility. It may be at
work, or in a
>family context. Your lack of care must be as a result of
some kind of sad
>upbringing. I hope one day you are able to see a little
further than your
>nose.
And thus the Lord spake and the people did dismiss his words
saying "Our lives are bereft of fun, Lord" and they did
beseech him to lighten up a bit and appreciate great comedy
for what it is.
TarlaStar
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote:
>Here is the givaway of course. Does the image of a family upset you? Does
>introducing areas of life to a child, at the time best suited to the
>individual child's needs offend you ?
Are you claiming that TELEVISION and RADIO should be the sources for
introducing children to life? Do you believe that mass media bothers
to introduce these things at the "time best suited to the individual
child's needs?"
Piaget is dead. He can't host a T.V. show any more.
> (Talk slowly, you can tell me
>everything, you are among friends here.) Were you robbed of your
>childhood too ?
>Nothing bad about that. Have you thought about counselling ?
> > Come on, we're strange apes alive for the barest moment on a little
>piece
>> of rock in a Universe hurtling towards entropic nothingness. You might as
>> well enjoy the ride instead of trying to be everyone's Great Uncle.
>Oh sure man, let's all get high and go with the flow. Whoever can get
>most high and does the most degrading act to a disabled granny, will be
>our leader.
why...that sounds like "Bob."
>You seem to confirm the following:
>1) Chris should be allowed to say whatever he want in front of any
>person, regardless of age.
Yes, he should. So should you and so should I.
Don't parents have some responsiblity to assure themselves that their
children are not listening to/watching inappropriate material? Since
when did we assign childrearing to the BBC?
Tarla
***
Reverend Mutha Tarla Star of the Little Sisters of the Perpetually
Juicy; a fine jism schism of the Church of the SubGenius.
Worshipping Juicy Retardo and "Connie" Dobbs since 1986.
John J Smith
In article <1996Nov2...@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk>,
Steve Phillips <rlj...@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> wrote:
>In article <01bbdba9$29cbd200$9ef8...@onion.tech.easynet.net>, "Nick Mailer" <ni...@easynet.net> writes:
>>
>>> Hmm. Mr Morris' humour does sound a bit crap to me.
>>
>> It's amazing how certain people feel able to pontificate on something
>> they've never seen or heard.
>
>have been posted are incorrect?
I would say "incomplete".
Smid
Sam J. Turner
David Toube (D.S....@qmw.ac.uk) wrote:
Is it a peculiarly british thing
to prefix a story about someone's
foolishness with
: I have a friend who...
Sam.
David Toube
s...@fourier.bham.ac.uk (Sam J. Turner) wrote:
No, really. It wasn't me. . .
----
David Toube
Lecturer in Law
QMW, University of London
WWW: http://www.qmw.ac.uk/~ugtl027/index.html
David Boothroyd's British Elections Home Page
WWW: http://www.qmw.ac.uk/~laws/election/home.html
Sam Nelson
In article <57hd95$h...@ionews.ionet.net>, bmy...@ionet.net (TarlaStar) writes:
| Piaget is dead. He can't host a T.V. show any more.
|
--
Sam. Scunthorpe! (Insert bandwidth-wasting disclaimer here)
To call something blue when it's not we defile it,
But oh what the heck, it's hard to rhyme 'violet'.
Nick Mailer
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote in article
<329BD0...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk>...
> Nick Mailer wrote:
> >
> > A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote in article
> > <329A64...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk>...
> > > Mick Nailer wrote:
> > >
> > > > What you fail to realise is that in the current hysterical moral
> > minority
> > > > climate, the wrong place, in certain circumstances, becomes the
right
> > > > place. Chris's comedy (if you've ever bothered to listen to or
watch
> > it)
> > > > fits into that category very well.
>
> Dear Nick,
>
> Thank you for explaining why you feel the way you do. I hope you have
> found one or two of my points interesting. You really ought to get to
> know Chris better. It would be an education for you !!!
I'm slightly puzzled by your last two sentences. Please explain - are they
meant to be ambiguous, or am I being thick? And yes, I did find one or two
of your points interesting.
Nick Mailer
Doktor DynaSoar <Dyna...@YGRI.net> wrote in article
<8E5mycEb...@YGRI.net>...
> "Nick Mailer" <ni...@easynet.net> sent bitwaves which read:
> }Steve Phillips <rlj...@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> wrote in article
> }>
> }> Hmm. Mr Morris' humour does sound a bit crap to me.
> }
> }It's amazing how certain people feel able to pontificate on something
> }they've never seen or heard.
>
> It's amazing how some people think they can deflect a comment with a
> negative connotation no matter how poorly it applies. If that's
> pontification, stay away from the op-ed pages until your thorazine kicks
> in. You could hurt yourself.
I beg your pardon. Kindly refrain from using big words until you have some
idea of their semantic possibilities. Also, by the way, I deleted most of
the pontificatory nonsense from the previous posting. The noun applies to
the tone of several other postings too, whose uninformed sanctimony would,
I must say, scare even pontifs.
Yours faithfully
&c.
Sam J. Turner
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co wrote:
: CJ Chantler wrote:
: > Aahhh.
: > So Radio 1 is supposed to worry about the effects
: > of Chris Morris' broadcast on a tiny minority of
: > listeners? Besides, wasn't the Jimmy Saville death
: > joke followed by a short vox pop of someone which
: > made plain that the item wasn't serious?
: Oh thats fine then. Give some old dear a heart attack and then say:
: "but I was only joking"
You can of course give reference to
documented cases of `old dears'
suffering from coronary problems
during or after a Chris Morris skit?
No?
Perhaps you are just a patronising,
humourless pisswit with nothing better
to do than `protect' all those gullible
radio listeners and TV viewers from
these nefarious pranks, then?
I sleep safer at night with you to
look after my fragile interests.
<further rabid overreactions snipped
for decencies sake.>
Sam.
Mildly Amused Sutter
Subject:
Re:Getting Lucky
Date:
Wed, 27 Nov 1996 00:46:45 -0500
From:
Eris...@aol.com
To:
tsu...@erols.com
WARNING- the following may not be suitable for sensitive viewers
"The Sesame Street Gang Learns Something New"
Grover was really bored, one day. Big Bird was collecting cans
for the poor, and Oscar the Grouch was in one of his pissed-off
moods again. So he decided to go over to Maria's house.
"Hi, Maria!" Grover exclaimed as he entered. The sight he saw
was one he would not soon forget.. Maria lay on the couch, wearing
nothing but a pair of high-heeled shoes. She had one of her
fingers deep inside her wet pussy, the digit probing and caressing her
inner
membranes. She looked up and saw Grover, and was startled; she had not
expected any company. But a lewd grin soon replaced her initial
look of apprehension; she invited Grover to join her on the couch.
Now Grover, you see, was a virgin. He didn't ever admit it
to any of the other Sesame Street gang, but he had never even felt a
girl's tits. So you can imagine the wave of pleasure that swept
over him.
Without a word, Grover approached Maria, and crawled on top
of her.
Since muppets don't wear clothes, he didn't have to undress. He
reached between his legs, and from the jungle of blue fur extracted a
huge
blue cock, hairy from end to end. It was already fully erect, and fit
to burst. With one deft move, Maria parted her pussy lips, already
wet from masturbation, and Grover soon filled her void with his heaving
azure
member. He pumped up and down on Maria, the sensuous movement
bringing his
excitement to a fever pitch. The puppeteers had their hands full that
day!
Maria was experiencing a whole new world of pleasure, herself; she had
never
fucked a muppet before, and it proved to be an incredible experience.
Grover soon exploded inside her, his warm fuzzy dick going
off like a cannon deep within Maria. She screamed, as she was climaxing
at
the same time. She grabbed ahold of Grover's blue shoulders, and almost
wept on his shoulder, so powerful was the experience.
But Grover wasn't done yet. His furry member had gone soft, and he
wanted it hard again. So he leaned over, and took one of Maria's
pert breasts in his mouth. His plush tongue caressed and
fondled the nipple, and Maria moaned at the pleasure of it. The
nipple was very hard, and Grover was having a delightful time, tasting
bare
tit for the first time. Soon Maria decided it was her turn to have a
little
"taste" of the action. She shoved Grover off her tit, and bent down.
With
both hands she grasped his monstrous cock, and began to stroke it,
slowly
at
first, then with greater and greater intensity. Grover (actually Frank
Oz)
moaned and cried at the incredible feeling. The member was soon hard as
a
rock, and Maria lifted it to her eager lips. She devoured his cock with
great appetite, sliding her mouth up and down the plush boner, and with
her hands she stroked his blue balls. Grover, by this time, was about
ready
to come, and he cried out; simultaneously, great bursts of white cum
exploded from his member into Maria's mouth, and she eagerly swallowed
the divine nectar of his loins. She was pleasantly surprised to find it
tasted like marshmallows.
Grover knew he must have more. He turned Maria around, so
she was on all fours; he licked and sucked her ass and pussy, burying
his
big furry head between her creamy thighs. Soon, he was erect again; and
without another word, he proceeded to drive his massive rod into her
ass,
again and again. He was like an animal. Maria cried out in a mixture
of
pain and ecstasy: "Oh, Grover, Yes, Grover!" Grover knew, as he came
one more time, that learning letters and numbers just wasn't going to
cut
it anymore. At about this time, Bert and Ernie stopped by Maria's.
They were going to go miniature golfing. But when they saw the vicious
fucking on the couch, they knew that they were staying right there. They
quickly stripped, and Bert fucked Ernie's ass so hard that Ernie
screamed. Bert bucked back and forth like a kid on a rocking horse, and
held on to Ernie by Ernie's own cock.
Of course, by this time, Grover and Maria were aware that
they had company. They watched the pair butt fuck, becoming aroused
themselves; then they decided that they wanted to join in. After Bert
had
climaxed,
Maria shoved Ernie onto his back, and straddled him. She began rubbing
her fuzzy mound, just to tease Ernie; he cried out for her to stop. She
then took his swollen member in her hand, and guided it gently into her
soaking wet pussy.
She began to move up and down; she became so aroused that vaginal
juices were dripping down from her pussy onto Ernie's pubic region.
Before
Ernie could come, she pulled herself up off him; and then, without a
word
of
explanation, turned around, and sat down on his cock with her back
facing
him. She leaned forwards, as if to touch her toes, and Ernie was amazed
at how deep he could penetrate her in this position. Regions of Maria
never
touched before by muppet dick were now being slammed again and again by
the
furious force of Ernie's dick. He finally came, great bursts of white
hot jizzum swimming through her inner recesses like a school of fish.
She moaned in ecstasy, knowing that muppets make the best lovers.
All this time, don't think for a minute that Grover and Bert were
idle. Janice, from the muppet show, had stopped by; and God knows
Janice never misses an opportunity for a good fuck. She had stripped
within seconds, and lay down on the floor with her legs spread far
apart. Bert knelt down in front of her, and shoved his massive cock
into
her tight hot pussy. Janice cried for Grover, and he crammed his dick
into her eager mouth. Janice was having a fine time, let me tell you!
She hungrily ate up Grover's dick, and deep-throated it, quite an
accomplishment when you take its size into account.
With one hand, she rubbed and fondled Grover's balls. With the
other, she assisted Bert, spreading apart her pussy lips, and guiding
him
in as efficiently as possible. Soon, Bert came, in a furious
thunderclap
of semen; and just as she felt his burning love course through her,
Grover's
dick spurted in her mouth, the delicious elixer trickling down her
thirsty throat.
Before long, Maria and the muppet's energy were spent.
They had had a fine time, and Grover had learned a lot about women.
Grover's sexual knowledge before was minimal; Cookie Monster had once
tried to explain masturbation to him, but a strange look in his eyes had
frightened Grover away. The count insisted that sucking blood was only
one thing you could suck, and certainly not the best thing. And when
the
big purple two-headed monster tried to show Grover that it actually had
four heads, he ran away screaming. But now Grover knew about the
intimate parts of women very well.
Some questions remained unanswered, however; questions that he knew
may never be answered.
1.Why is Oscar so grouchy all the time? Does it have anything to do
with
Elmo?
2.What sex is Big Bird, anyhow?
3.How big is the snuffolafagus?
4.Where is Kermit's pecker? He doesn't seem to have one at all.
5.Is that really Gonzo's nose?
6.Why is Miss Piggy such a bitch all the time? (refer to #4)
7.Why are there so many little kids always running around?
8.What do the "Pigs in Space" do for fun? Do they all share Miss Piggy?
9.Are those two old guys in the balcony gay or something?
10.How come there are no Native American muppets?
11.What does Mr. Rogers do all day in that big house of his?
The day had drawn to a close, and the five of them decided
to get a bite to eat. They went to a local deli for some peanut butter
sandwiches. On the way there, the five discussed their feelings and
concerns, and how the next time could be more satisfactory for all
involved. After their meal,they all joined in a rousing chorus of
"rubber ducky." Bert suggested the number of the day be "69," and they
all laughed. All around, a good time was had by all, and a feeling of
fellowship drifted over Sesame Street that night.
Note: The preceding episode was NOT broadcasted by PBS. Complain
to your local cable company.
WITH SEX ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE
This paper has been sent to you for good luck. The original
has been worn out from having passed through the hands
of so many people. It had travelled around the world 71
times AEDear Reader: please help keep this count current. If
this letter falls into your hands after just completing one
more circuit of the world, please add one to the count.A The
luck has now been sent to you.
You will experience great sex within four days of receiving
this letter, provided you send it on. Since the copy must
tour the world, you must make ten copies and send them
to others. This is no joke. Send no money. Send copies to
people who need to get laid within 96 hours.
After he passed this letter on, a Montana Spinach Control
Officer got his penis stuck in a cow-milking machine and
had the longest series of orgasms of his life. John Elliot
tried to pick up a prostitute, but, because he broke the
chain, was picked up by the police instead. When they
searched his home, they found magazines of little boys
which they showed to his neighbors. In a suburb of Paris,
Don Loray's trousers were ripped by an unsatisfied
erection, 51 days after failing to circulate the letter.
However, before this happened, a condom machine gave
him three condoms for the price of one. (was this the
consolation prize?)
Do note the following: Hebert Pudstrom received the chain
in 1953. He asked his secretary to make ten copies and
send them out. A few days later he encountered her in a
red-light district making more than he had ever paid her at
work. General George Patton, who sent the letter on, saw
what he thought was a quarter in the street. When he bent
down to pick it up, a beautiful woman in a miniskirt walked
by, and he got a great view. Heywood Daddit, an
unemployed chicken choker, received the letter and forgot
that it had to leave his hands within 96 hours. His wife
then went bowling with his best friend and never returned.
Later, after finding the letter again, he mailed ten copies. A
few days later he got a wife and discovered that his old
wife, who he thought was wonderful, had made love to
him like a dead salmon for all these years! Alan Fairchild
received the letter and, not believing, threw the letter
away. Nine days later he spilled hot coffee in his crotch.
In 1987 the letter received by a young woman in Texas
was faded and barely readable, so she did not realize that
this paragraph applied to her. She promised herself she
would retype the letter and send it on, but she put it aside
to do later. She was plagued with problems including
herpes and other venereal diseases she contracted in her
futile attempts to find Mr. Right in a singles bar. The letter
did not leave her hands in 96 hours. She finally typed the
letter and found a man with a 10-inch penis.
Beware however of the fate of the E-mail user at Trent
University, Peterborough ON, that sent this letter to
himself over five thousand times in one afternoon. Before
leaving the computer lab a strange woman came up behind
him, bit his ear and put her hand down his pants. The
ensuing surprise caused him to stumble forward and cry
out. As he attempted to arrest his fall by grabbing a nearby
PC, a gob of spittle that had been flung from his mouth (as
he cried out) landed deep into the inner recesses of the
computer, all three (student, strange woman and computer)
then experienced simultaneous Cyber-Orgasms of
exponential intensity before exploding in a puff of smoking
data.
You must distribute at least ten copies within 96 hours of
receiving this letter. Those who do will find their love lives
more fulfilling. Those who do not will be doomed to
one-night stands with mechanical devices. >>
When I read this, I laughed. Really hard. I don't take chain letters
all
that seriously, but thought this was too insane not to pass on. I've no
idea
why I thought you might be amused by this, but I hope you were.
-Erisiana : >
Wacky Mack Sutter
Erisiana Ritter Hansen Sutter
CSubject:
-Erisiana Sutter: >
Erisiana Ritter Hansen Sutter
Andrew Finlay
In article <329BD0...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk>,
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk writes
>> >>
>> >> I am not aware of Chris Morris killing a member of the public in the
>
>> Noel Edmonds has made millions out of playing practical jokes on
>> people in the name of entertainment. This exercise has proved that he
>> cannot take a joke himself.
>
>Like another contributor, it would be a good education for you to meet
>Chris. Thank you for all your interesting points.
Are you in love with him (Morris)?
--
Andrew Finlay
Mildly Amused Sutter
-Erisiana : >
Robin Muskett
In article <329A90...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk>,
>> >showbusiness, working in hospitals for nothing. Hours and hours and hours
>> >of the most tedious and dedicated work. What do you know, or do you have
>> >a hunch ? I know Noel is professional and hard working. I don't exactly
>> >like his style of humour, he's not my cup of tea.. What do you know ?
>>
>> we all have short memories?
>> --
>> Darren Meldrum (mel...@dial.pipex.com)
>>
>> "You look like somebody owns you now."
>
>You are wreckless with your words. One day, you or Chris or any other of
>his supporters may have some responsibility. It may be at work, or in a
>family context. Your lack of care must be as a result of some kind of sad
>upbringing. I hope one day you are able to see a little further than your
>nose.
>
>frustrating. It should be richer through the people like me and you
>questioning established order. Getting people to re-examine their act,
>it's so important. Write to me in five years - when you've lived a bit.
>
>Andy J.
Andy J.
How wonderful that you appeared at such a time of crisis.
Reliable sources have confirmed that Chris Morris has seemingly broken
free of his shackles and is heading *your* way.
His mood elated by consuming predacious quantities of SupraCake (tm), he
has allegedly already mutilated and partially eaten five innocent
bystanders.
Witnesses say he seemed to choose elderly men with white hair and silly
Mancunian accents as his victims.
Act now to protect us from Morris. Pleese, for the sake of Lennon.
<r>
Erisiana Ritter Hansen Sutter
Erisiana and Timothy Ritter Hansen Sutter
Erisiana and Timothy Peter Georg Sutter
-Erisiana Sutter: >
Erisiana and Timothy Peter Georg Sutter
Erisiana and Timothy Peter Georg Sutter
Erisiana and Timothy Peter Georg Sutter
Erisiana and Timothy Peter Georg Sutter
Grantland
Erisiana and Timothy Peter Georg Sutter <tsu...@erols.com> wrote:
<snip>
What about miss piggy? Where she was?
wally
Peter Hipwell
In article <32976F...@staffs.ac.uk> soa...@staffs.ac.uk writes:
>
>And on the subject of creativity all this is just SO predictable
>
Well, I agree there. But I didn't realize there'd be someone actually
willing to bleat out those predictable ... bleats.
>SURELY for the love of GOD we're not talking about whether Edmunds is a
>puritan, nor are we even asking is he funny, we know he's not, but try
>and remember the point, Is making a rather infantile gotcha on Edmunds
>using the biggest social evil in society today, (with the possible
>exception of the Tories) good comedy ?.
>
Surely the point is that Edmonds' career is BASED on the concept of
the "rather infantile gotcha". For him to go ballistic when he gets
caught out by a preposterous scheme that would have been detected by
anyone with a modicum of knowledge about what they were talking about
is HILARIOUSLY hypocritical. Even if we accept your judgment that this
is "using the biggest social evil in society today" -- so what? There
are plenty of CLASSIC historical examples based on PURE EVIL: Swift's
suggestion that starving Irish families should eat their babies, Will
Hay's WWII films featuring "comedy Nazis" (ever since, a staple of
British humour), etc. etc. I know who Morris is now -- from "The Day
Today", and if "Brass Eye" is up to the same standard as that, I'd
suggest that it probably is Very Good Comedy.
Perhaps you aren't raising a laugh because you aren't telling them
right.
>O yes what a rib tickler, lets pretend there's a new drug and put out a
>health education message using somebody in the public eye, who would
>probably appeal to the very people most at risk from using such a drug,
>and then, yes wait for it, this is just so funny, LETS SAY IT'S ALL JUST
>A BIG FIB, O yes what a jolly jape, Even now I can see the drug barons
>cracking ribs.
>
You think that NOEL EDMONDS would be like to appeal to potential
"Cake" users? I can see that to watch the "House Party" would,
indeed, require a partially-fried brain, so you might have a case
there.
And this is all a GREAT BIG FIB.
--
"A hah hah hah" -- Sid James.
Peter Hipwell
In article <578d1l$q...@neptune.theplanet.co.uk> A...@voxpops.bytenet.co, uk writes:
>Peter Hipwell wrote:
>>
>
>The question has been answered. He was in fact a guy who did a spell on
>Radio 1. Let's see if we get the story right. From reliable sources, it
>would appear that Morris had a thing about shock and obscenity. Talented?
>- perhaps, bur how much talent does it take to shock people.
>
Quite a bit. After all, the attempted importation of "shock jocks" on
talk radio failed dismally, because the whole concept of setting out
to shock is boring.
>Here were some of the items from his Radio 1 broadcast beamed out in the
>early afternoon, Boxing Day a couple of years ago. Keep in mind that this
>was a "family" day. No children at school, with many people perhaps in
>cars etc., listening to this respected BBC station with their children.
>
The venerable and respected Radio 1? Surely some mistake.
>1) A sketch about Jesus masturbating over St. Peters Square.
Oh, the HORROR, the HORROR!
>2) A pretence that Jimmy Saville had died.
I thought he died in about 1973. Visions of him running around places
in his gold lame tracksuit making those "Tarzan with a strangulated
hernia" noises are just horrible reverberations from the fact that he
existed at all.
>And here's one that I understand a quick thinking tech managed to pull
>from the tape, seconds before it was about to be broadcast.
>
>3) A warning that a jumbo jet was about to crash land on the M23 Motorway
>and that everybody should get out their cars and run for their lives.
>
>Supporters of Chris Morris, will no doubt tell us that this was all
>hysterical. In fact you or I could do better. Not only could we come up
>with bizarre ideas that are painfully funny, but we could do it without
Time for you to put up or shut up.
>causing offence at a time of Christian celebration. We could do it
>without upsetting close friends or relatives of Jimmy Saville (including
>many people in hospital who he has cared for). No doubt we could do it
>without putting horror, into the lives of families who may have had
Misplaced comma here. Tsk.
>relatives flying from Gatwick airport on that day, or the same for
>families of air crew. No doubt we could have done it without causing
>people to break the law, stopping on a motorway, endangering their own
>lives and the lives of other road users.
>
And all these things HAPPENED, right? This program ACTUALLY CAUSED all
these things. They weren't AT ALL framed in a manner that indicated
that they were satires. If you happened to switch on, you WOULDN'T
EVEN KNOW that this was a comedy program.
I can imagine Chris Morris talking about the imminent crash on the M23
(where is that, anyway?) in the typical gleeful-at-imminent-disaster
tone: "A GREAT BIG Jumbo Jet is JUST ABOUT TO !CRASH! in a blazing
hell-spawned inferno RIGHT ON the M23, CRUSHING hundreds of people to
PULP as the MASSIVE CARCASS scrapes along...".
>Two points here.
>1. This is not the work of a genius, it's the work of a pervert. A fool.
>A coward. A person without care or responsibility.
>
Who says a genius can't be ALL of those things? Not that I agree with
these names.
>2. The BBC showed gross disregard for it's listeners in allowing it to be
>broadcast. In particular, it marked the start of the slide of the BBC
>under John Birt and his new Radio 1 controller, who has since allowed his
>station to broadcast from the gutter, and lose millions in it's audience.
>Even with the alleged success of Chris Evans, the station has never
>regained it's previous figures.
They should have Dave Lee Travis. That would cure all the evils of
modern radio.
>On a legal point. The BBC is on record as having received dozens, if not
>hundreds of complaints about Morris. The BBC never releases copies of
>it's tapes until it gets into court. It is likely that none of the people
>who complained could prove what they heard. Had they been able to,
>complaints should have been made at police stations. The BBC would have
>been in court, and Morris would have met his demise quicker.
Dozens, or hundreds? Dozens of complaints were received about "The
Moral Maze" describing New Agers as weirdoes who sit under blue
pyramids. Indeed, Michael Burke made some snide remark this morning
about "not wanting to belittle minority religions" -- they were going
on about the rights of "squirrel worshippers". That programme is a
source of absurdism that I treasure.
I think that the number of complaints indicates that he's doing what
he does well -- taking the rip out of the way that news is
reported. There are plenty of legitimate complaints about the REAL
news, and they are cogently by this form of satire. If it REALLY does
damage, then eventually he WILL be put in court. Edmonds has more than
enough cash to do so. But, as making people look FOOLISH is not
yet illegal, lets see how it goes.
John J Smith
In article <CpJnycEb...@YGRI.net>,
Doktor DynaSoar <Dyna...@YGRI.net> wrote:
>"Nick Mailer" <ni...@easynet.net> sent bitwaves which read:
>}
>spoofs on intellectual behavior. To show my appreciation, I'd be glad to
>preach for you.
*Sniff*
Do you smell a twat?
Smid
David Toube
"Nick Mailer" <ni...@easynet.net> wrote:
:it comes when Chris
:Morris asks Tory MP Jerry Hayes to record an obit.
It is worth recalling that Jerry Hayes was a man so desparate for
publicity, that he appeared on a weekly basis on the James Whale
show, at one stage allowing himself to be put in the stocks and
pelted with shaving foam pies. His explanation for not having
been appointed to ministerial office is, I understand, that he
took part in a photo-opportunity at a Party Conference which
involved him biting the head off a Thatcher chocolate model.
And that was why he was never promoted? Uh huh.
:In another piece, Morris announced that there would be a news strike the
:following day, and therefore the BBC was pre-recording as much of the news
:as possible (!) John Selwyn Gummer believed this (!!)
It is additionally worth mentioning that Gummer discussed his
belief in Angels on a radio programme with Ludovic Kennedy. I
recall Gummer suggesting that he believed that they were present
in the room as they spoke.
Stochasticus
I tried to send this to tim personally but it bounced, have erols
finally gotten pissed off and stopped his account. By this way I was
one of the ten sent this by Tim (including Hal, Gareth and others)
___________________________________________________________
Well that was very interesting Tim I hope you got Laid because of it.
I don't really need it as I have a life and a Girl already. Well maybe
it helped Hal somewhat. We're glad you're back on a.d. and I liked the
post about upseting the bible bashers with the I AM LEGION bit. You
don't think you take this devil stuff a bit seriously though.
___________________________________________________________
Stochasticus
MS RAHMAN
I totally agree with freedom of speech and chris morros's right to use it;
but at the same time I see evrybody else's complaints about him aswell.
Now on to the main issue: WHY THE HELL IS EVERYBODY ADDRESSING THEIR
SUBJECT WITH SOMETHING TOTALLY IRRELEVANT TO WHAT THEIR TALKING ABOUT? How
does this effect Brass Eye? It is a totally different program.
Shumon.
David Toube
FLL...@leeds.ac.uk ("D. ATHERTON") wrote:
:Hear hear, and let's not forget Paul Boateng's declarations on
:'Herman the Tosser' and the 'Blood Rap' movement and 'Uzi MC', or Kim
:Wilde's horror at the clamping of homeless people, or Mike Darboe's
:agreement with Morris that yes, regional broadasting's next best thing
:was 'mutual masturbation'
:dave
Although Boateng seemed to have sniffed the spoof . . .
D. ATHERTON
John Kovacs
MS RAHMAN <msra...@comp.brad.ac.uk> wrote:
That's right! What is the connection between Chris Morros, the popular
children's TV presenter who dresses up as a zoo-keeper and has a
wide-ranging repertoire of amusing animal voices, and this Brass Eye
thing that everyone's on about?
I think we should be told.
--
John
Nick Mailer
John J Smith <J.J....@ftel.co.uk> wrote in article
<E1J3r...@ftel.co.uk>...
> In article <1996Nov2...@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk>,
> Steve Phillips <rlj...@bay.cc.kcl.ac.uk> wrote:
> >In article <01bbdba9$29cbd200$9ef8...@onion.tech.easynet.net>, "Nick
Mailer" <ni...@easynet.net> writes:
> >>
> >>> Hmm. Mr Morris' humour does sound a bit crap to me.
> >>
> >> It's amazing how certain people feel able to pontificate on something
> >> they've never seen or heard.
> >
> >Are you, therefore, saying the descriptions of the stunts he's pulled
that
> >have been posted are incorrect?
>
> I would say "incomplete".
And inaccurate. For example, the oft-mentioned Hesseltine Obituary sketch.
It's usually just reported as "Nasty Hate Comedian Runs Vicious Prank to
Upset Annabel Hesseltine". In fact, the announcement was something like "If
I have any news on the death of Michael Hesseltine, I'll let you know",
after which point he played music with "Michael" in it as well as a
humorously edited collection of Hesseltine's speeches. ANYONE who had half
a brain would have realised by this stage that the thing was a joke.
Nevertheless, this is not the focus of the piece - it comes when Chris
Morris asks Tory MP Jerry Hayes to record an obit. Hayes is desperate to
sound "moving" and you can hear his crocodile tears when the tapes are
rolling. At one point, Hayes says something like "he is a wonderful
parliamentarian". Morris interrupts him and reminds him that, in this case,
the past tense would be appropriate. Hayes, realising a "second take" is in
order, suddenly cheers up and, chuckling, says "oh yes, WAS a wonderful
parliamentarian, I suppose I should say". Now, perhaps, one can begin to
see the point of the "prank" more clearly - a tacit warning about how adept
politicians are at putting on emotional masks and then throwing them off at
haste.
In another piece, Morris announced that there would be a news strike the
following day, and therefore the BBC was pre-recording as much of the news
as possible (!) John Selwyn Gummer believed this (!!) Morris reminded him
that Labour had yet to decide which way to vote on a particular European
issue, and so Gummer would have to comment on EITHER outcome of either
voting intention. AND HE DID! He recorded a passionate, anti-Labour
soundbite attacking them for voting FOR the issue. And then he recorded an
equally passionate soundbite attacking them for voting AGAINST the issue.
Now, if Spitting Image or Rory Bremner concoted this as a sketch, it would
be uncharacteristically funny. But Morris gets the REAL individuals to tie
their own nooses, to act in their own absurd pageants.
This is the kind of thing Daily Mail reports tend to miss.
Deryk Barker
A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote:
: Darren Meldrum wrote:
: >
: > A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk wrote:
: >
: > >I know for a fact that Jimmy Saville spends more than any person in
: > >showbusiness, working in hospitals for nothing. Hours and hours and hours
: > >of the most tedious and dedicated work. What do you know, or do you have
: > >a hunch ? I know Noel is professional and hard working. I don't exactly
: > >like his style of humour, he's not my cup of tea.. What do you know ?
: >
: > I am not aware of Chris Morris killing a member of the public in the
: > name of entertainment. The same cannot be said of Noel Edmonds. Or do
: > we all have short memories?
: > --
: > Darren Meldrum (mel...@dial.pipex.com)
: >
: > "You look like somebody owns you now."
:
: You are wreckless with your words. One day, you or Chris or any other of
: his supporters may have some responsibility. It may be at work, or in a
: family context. Your lack of care must be as a result of some kind of sad
: upbringing. I hope one day you are able to see a little further than your
: nose.
Which is more than can be said for the guy who died.
Edmonds is a sleazy little talentless bore. I can't believe that the
BBC still pays him. Or that people still watch.
--
Deryk.
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Erisiana and Timothy Ritter Hansen Sutter
-Erisiana : >
T.P.G.Sutter
Reread it. Miss piggy is possibly grumpy because
Kermit the puppet ain't got no dick.
But the she turns out to maybe be gettin' plenty from a troupe of
other leapin lizards, thus
satisfying her nymphomania.
Then we chop her up and roast her on the spit.
T.P.G.Sutter
Arse. Proper British and all.
MARK
Graeme Allon
Well said CJ
Graeme
On Mon, 25 Nov 1996 14:18:29 +0000, CJ Chantler <cj...@ukc.ac.uk>
wrote:
>A...@voxpops.bytenet.co, uk wrote:
>
>> it
>> would appear that Morris had a thing about shock
>> and obscenity. Talented?
>> - perhaps, bur how much talent does it take to
>> shock people.
>
>Yes, Morris is into shock and obscenity. But most
>of his stuff is simply to befuddle. Look at his
>brilliant weekly routine where he got Paul Garner
>to go 'shop-bothering'; complaining that the coin
>was too hot, getting him to ask the newsagent if
>he lives in a citadel or if he's ever been to
>hell. He revels in a sort of childishness -
>another example is the 'Sock Quiz', where he gets
>children to say 'suck' with a sock in their mouth
>so it sounds rude. That's so childish it's
>pathetic, and that's why it's funny.
>
>> We could do it
>> without upsetting close friends or relatives of
>> Jimmy Saville (including
>> many people in hospital who he has cared for).
>
>Aahhh.
>So Radio 1 is supposed to worry about the effects
>of Chris Morris' broadcast on a tiny minority of
>listeners? Besides, wasn't the Jimmy Saville death
>joke followed by a short vox pop of someone which
>made plain that the item wasn't serious? In any
>case, how can anyone believe such an item when it
>rubs shoulders with news items like "Elastic song
>strangles Hucknall"?
>
>> No doubt we could have done it without causing
>> people to break the law, stopping on a motorway,
>> endangering their own
>> lives and the lives of other road users.
>
>What sort of idiot would actually stop on the
>motorway and run away from a jumbo jet anyway? If
>there's a jumbo jet coming for them, what chance
>have they got of out-running it? All they have to
>do is look at the sky anyway.
> If you've been listening to the show in the car
>for any length of time you'll know it's a comedy
>anyway. Can anyone listen to the Morris radio show
>for more than 5 minutes without knowing it's not a
>serious Radio 1 DJ news and travel slot? And if
>you don't like it, turn it off. Listen to Radio 2.
>You're in a microscopic minority on this topic.
>
>> 1. This is not the work of a genius, it's the
>> work of a pervert. A fool.
>> A coward. A person without care or
>> responsibility.
>A genius, who is practically alone in broadcasting
>in not wanting to mollycoddle the stupid by
>assuming everyone in Britain is a humourless
>simpleton.
>
>CX(tc)
Geoff Leonard
In article <329D8B...@leeds.ac.uk>, "\"D. ATHERTON\""
<FLL...@leeds.ac.uk> writes
Is this Mike d'Abo, the Manfreds singer / radio presenter? If so, when
did this conversation take place?
--
Geoff Leonard
Ian G Batten
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More to the point, how many members of the public have died during the
making of Brass Eye? None, I think. Now, Noel, tell us about the Late
Late Breakfast Show.
ian
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Prometheus
Make me.
David F Lynch
Peter Hipwell (pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
: Quite a bit. After all, the attempted importation of "shock jocks" on
: talk radio failed dismally, because the whole concept of setting out
: to shock is boring.
Oh, and I suppose "Eastenders" ISN'T?
Face it, Hipwell, the denizens of the UK are just as arbitrary in
accepting or rejecting the crap that passes for modern entertainment.
--
Dave (not David) Lynch/(.)(.)/Eligible Mutant Bachelor Uebergeek at large
dfly...@homer.louisville.edu/FILLER/Founder, First Church of Eternal Man
ObObsoleteHomepage:http://www.rlabs.com/lynch **** Please email followups
I'm SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Prometheus
David F Lynch wrote:
>
> Peter Hipwell (pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
> : Quite a bit. After all, the attempted importation of "shock jocks" on
> : talk radio failed dismally, because the whole concept of setting out
> : to shock is boring.
>
>
> Face it, Hipwell, the denizens of the UK are just as arbitrary in
> accepting or rejecting the crap that passes for modern entertainment.
But, Benny Hill was funny,... sometimes.
Especially the "naughty bits."
Prometheus
MARK wrote:
>
> Prometheus wrote:
> >
> > David F Lynch wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter Hipwell (pet...@cogsci.ed.ac.uk) wrote:
> > > : talk radio failed dismally, because the whole concept of setting out
> > > : to shock is boring.
> > >
> > >
> > > Face it, Hipwell, the denizens of the UK are just as arbitrary in
> > > accepting or rejecting the crap that passes for modern entertainment.
> >
> > But, Benny Hill was funny,... sometimes.
> > Especially the "naughty bits."
> is it cos they started believing this crap
Well If I could go to the Pharmacy and get a
script for some good clean heroine,
I think I'd try to take just a bit and
stay unhooked and watch Benny Hill.
You can get good clean ampules of Heroine in UK cannot you?
It must be possible to take just a bit about as often
as one might take an aspirin and watch Benny Hill.
MARK
> > : talk radio failed dismally, because the whole concept of setting out
> > : to shock is boring.
> >
Prometheus
Stochasticus wrote:
>
> I tried to send this to tim personally but it bounced, have erols
> finally gotten pissed off and stopped his account. By this way I was
> one of the ten sent this by Tim (including Hal, Gareth and others)
No not bounced at all.
Just upgrading my system.
And avoiding being sent
Ten tons of Shit via tsu...@erols.com.
Not thar I mind or even am unable to scoop shit
out of my inbox,
but when some moron is intent
on sending me thousands of stupid little dreck
love notes each day, for the good of the party,
I had my user ID changed. I may do that from time to time anyway.
But for now I'm not accepting any e-mail from anyone
posting or lurking in these newsgroups.
Shame to. because I'm quite a nice one on one person.
Don't ever even suspect that Erols has or will "bounce" me.
Oh in the spirit of giving I sent that message
to lots of people and posted it to lots of groups.
I still have it so I may post it again.
You better find ten plces to send it or
Eris may come and Fuck you personally.
And that may hurt.
Seems you can send yourself ten copies of it,
but they may be considered masturbation.
David F Lynch
Prometheus (nom...@erols.com) wrote:
: Eris may come and Fuck you personally.
: And that may hurt.
Well, what the fuck kind of a goddess is Eris if she can't give good head?
Yog Shoggoth
TarlaStar (bmy...@ionet.net) wrote:
[snip]
: Piaget is dead. He can't host a T.V. show any more.
[snip]
Wow. For a second there I read 'Piaget' as 'Piglet.'
I had images of Eeyore, Winnie, and Kanga pulling out some of his old
studio tapes and releasing a new album.
--
Yog Shoggoth a.k.a. Jonathan Hatch, K.S.C., Outer God (ret.), Holder of
the Sacred WOMBAT, One Who Is Allowed To Wear Bunny Ears During Sermons.
Director of the Eris, Dobbs, & Epopt Free Water Marketing Research
Department, President of the "Reverend Brother Pastor Deacon Dr. Doug and
his Panties Full O' Sin" Fan Club, and Ron Post's Lucky One Billionth
Victim!
'I'll give you to the count of ten to get out of here! 1.. 2.. 3.. '
'Before you get stuck, somewhere around 6, I'll go.'
NEW! Improved HomePage NEW FOR '96!!! http://www.umr.edu/~jhatch
Chris Elliott
Geoff Leonard <Ge...@lacc.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Took place on BBCs "On the Hour" tape, available in most UK WH Smiths
or Motorway service stations as a twin tape pack. The concept is that
CM is running a story in the "news" about Regional Broadcasting,
hosted by Jimmy Tinker (CM - for t'was he). He calls up D'Abo (for
t'was he) and asks him what's the story behind a good regional
broadcaster. D'Abo then spews out some remakably cakky tosh about it
being (among other things) the next best thing to sex, to which CM
interjects with "Masturbation". D'Abo laughs and carries on as if
nothing had happened.
Best bit is when D'Abo reads out a listeners letter - sort of "I live
alone and only get any pleasure listening to your program" stuff, to
which CM (as Tinker) retorts, in simpering tones,
CM: "Thats the most wonderful thing I've ever heard in my life"
MD: "Yes"
CM: "Let's just take a second to think about it"
MD: "Yes"
CM: "Shut yer face then"
Silence...
You have to be there !
Chris
----------
Chris Mungall
In article <329BD0...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk>,
<A...@voxpops.bytenet.co.uk> wrote:
>Dear Nick,
>
>Thank you for explaining why you feel the way you do. I hope you have
>found one or two of my points interesting. You really ought to get to
>know Chris better. It would be an education for you !!!
>
>Andy.
What a mysterious note for this thread to die on. Are *you* Chris Morris
playing some bizarre prank? Or are you pretending to be? Why? Do tell!
btw Nick, your comments were spot-on.
Chris
Prometheus
David F Lynch wrote:
>
> Prometheus (nom...@erols.com) wrote:
> : Eris may come and Fuck you personally.
> : And that may hurt.
>
> Well, what the fuck kind of a goddess is
> Eris if she can't give good head?
She seems to provide better headaches.
Alan J. Packer
In article <CpJnycEb...@YGRI.net>, Doktor DynaSoar
>}idea of their semantic possibilities.
>
>As a trained mental health professional, I know full well that there's
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>no way to predict the full range of delusional associations you might
>have in mind regarding "semantic possibilities."
>
Does the net access really come with the porter's job then?
You are Jo Brand and I claim my five prozac.
--
Alan J. Packer. N.B. If replying, delete x before "alpaca" in follow-up-to
line.
Jetrock
: om> <57s3cg$g...@hermes.louisville.edu>
Organization: Experimental Media Research Laboratory
Distribution:
David F Lynch (dfly...@starbase.spd.louisville.edu) wrote:
: Prometheus (nom...@erols.com) wrote:
: : Eris may come and Fuck you personally.
: : And that may hurt.
:
: Well, what the fuck kind of a goddess is Eris if she can't give good head?
Ahhh, my virginal friend, some of the BEST HEAD I'VE EVER GOTTEN, well, it
REALLY HURT A LOT. Hurting ain't necessarily BAD, boy, it's knowing HOW
TO MAKE IT HURT SO GOOD!!
--
-----Rev. JETROCK, emrl.com
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on the WWWW, http://emrl.com/~jetrock or email uber...@emrl.com
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Iain L M Hotchkies
In message <2Cv1faAgQtoyIw$F...@alpaca.demon.co.uk> "Alan J. Packer" wrote:
> In article <CpJnycEb...@YGRI.net>, Doktor DynaSoar
> <Dyna...@YGRI.net> writes
> >"Nick Mailer" <ni...@easynet.net> sent bitwaves which read:
> >}
> >}I beg your pardon. Kindly refrain from using big words until you have some
> >}idea of their semantic possibilities.
> >
> >As a trained mental health professional, I know full well that there's
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >no way to predict the full range of delusional associations you might
> >have in mind regarding "semantic possibilities."
> >
>
> Does the net access really come with the porter's job then?
>
> You are Jo Brand and I claim my five prozac.
Hmmm, but it doesn't really start working for 7-10 days
so five capsules wouldn't do you much good, Alan.
HTH
K. Quinn
ia...@hotch.demon.co.uk.spam-free.zone (Iain L M Hotchkies)
>
>Hmmm, but it doesn't really start working for 7-10 days
>so five capsules wouldn't do you much good, Alan.
Which reminds me of the time I got talked at by this
person...
"So" he says, "You're a Pharmacology graduate, yeah?"
"Yes"
"So that's sheep and pigs innit? hahahaha"
"No. It's the study of the effects of drugs on the body"
"Oh wow! Can you make me some speed? hahahaha..yeah, I did
some prozac the other day, got a nice little buzz off it - I
can see how people get addicted and that.."
Doh!
********************************
"You were only supposed to blow
the bloody doors off!"
- ph...@leeds.ac.uk -
T Bruce Tober
In a rather exuberant mood, Iain L M Hotchkies
<ia...@hotch.demon.co.uk.spam-free.zone> writes
>In message <2Cv1faAgQtoyIw$F...@alpaca.demon.co.uk> "Alan J. Packer" wrote:
>
>> In article <CpJnycEb...@YGRI.net>, Doktor DynaSoar
>> <Dyna...@YGRI.net> writes
>> >"Nick Mailer" <ni...@easynet.net> sent bitwaves which read:
>> >}
>> >}I beg your pardon. Kindly refrain from using big words until you have some
>> >}idea of their semantic possibilities.
>> >
>> >As a trained mental health professional, I know full well that there's
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >no way to predict the full range of delusional associations you might
>> >have in mind regarding "semantic possibilities."
>> >
>>
>> Does the net access really come with the porter's job then?
>>
>
>Hmmm, but it doesn't really start working for 7-10 days
>so five capsules wouldn't do you much good, Alan.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what they say about my mellaril also, but
damned if it doesn't work in a matter of hours on me. Perhaps that's
just psychological and it's not really working, but hey, if
psychologically I think it's working, then, as far as I'm concerned it's
working, if you know what I mean. I mean hell, it is a psychotropic
drug, ain't it.
>
>HTH
tbt
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David F Lynch
Jetrock (jet...@emrl.com) wrote:
:
: Ahhh, my virginal friend, some of the BEST HEAD I'VE EVER GOTTEN, well, it
: REALLY HURT A LOT. Hurting ain't necessarily BAD, boy, it's knowing HOW
: TO MAKE IT HURT SO GOOD!!
Well, yeah, I know that. But he made it sound like bad hurting. I
mean, he was trying to make it sound like a threat. It would be a pretty
lame threat if it wasn't bad hurting.
Trevor (Not Trevor)
In article <xk3dXHAo...@crecon.demon.co.uk>, T Bruce Tober
<octob...@reporters.net> artesticulated
>>> You are Jo Brand and I claim my five prozac.
>>
>>Hmmm, but it doesn't really start working for 7-10 days
>>so five capsules wouldn't do you much good, Alan.
>
>Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what they say about my mellaril also, but
>damned if it doesn't work in a matter of hours on me. Perhaps that's
>just psychological and it's not really working, but hey, if
>psychologically I think it's working, then, as far as I'm concerned it's
>working, if you know what I mean. I mean hell, it is a psychotropic
>drug, ain't it.
>
side effects quite quickly at a higher than normal dose.
--
Trevor (not Trevor) http://www.prioryv.demon.co.uk/index.htm
(Back from Rehab)
*The only ungulate on Usenet*
Alan J. Packer
In article <19961203....@hotch.demon.co.uk>, Iain L M Hotchkies
<ia...@hotch.demon.co.uk.spam-free.zone> writes
>In message <2Cv1faAgQtoyIw$F...@alpaca.demon.co.uk> "Alan J. Packer" wrote:
>>
>
>Hmmm, but it doesn't really start working for 7-10 days
>so five capsules wouldn't do you much good, Alan.
So, what ever happened to good, old fashioned Mianserin then? It was
supposed to be the DBs ten years ago.