Terrible idea. The setting doesn't fit both from a chronological and a
geographical viewpoint.
I hope they go with the 60's spy idea. I also hope Curtis is going to
co-write it; Elton is extremely unfunny alone and an Elton-only (or even
Atkinson-Elton) written Blackadder would be a great disappointment.
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Is there supposed to be any new Blackadder series? That would be absolutely
wonderful.
I agree that one set around Jesus-Christ wouldn't be well received with most
people plus would be set in the wrong region. But one set in Great-Britain
during the Roman era could be fun. I imagine Blackadder as a roman officer
or as a local trying to manage with the Romans (maybe I read too many
Asterix albums, got all of them).
cam...@emtex.com wrote in message <6hkj3t$sdv$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Agreed!
>
> I hope they go with the 60's spy idea. I also hope Curtis is going to
> co-write it; Elton is extremely unfunny alone and an Elton-only (or even
> Atkinson-Elton) written Blackadder would be a great disappointment.
I think that the MI5 idea is a good one and I do hope that Curtis will
be in on it. I can't agree with your assessment of Elton-only stuff
being 'extremely unfunny'. I think that Thin Blue Line is a hoot and it
appears to get better (and more Blackadderish) as the series went on.
But for BA to be BA the writing must include Curtis.
Blue
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> c.
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Lexington SC Rowan Atkinson as Blackadder (BA III, episode 2)
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Sables & Saanchas - the Holy Goat...G...Uh...G-G-Ghost..."
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And, THE definitive Biblical parody STILL is the Life of Brian. The Pythons
had the right idea, and ran with it. Yeah, some people/groups were still
offended, but hey, it was still a helluva funny movie. :)
For the Record....
The Blackadder series' attempts at poking fun at religion (BA 1: The
Archbishop, BA2: Money) were successful because they roasted the Institution,
not the One in whose Name it was founded. As the Pythons found out when they
did their research for LoB, there is nothing inherently funny about Jesus
Christ nor His message, and IMO the Pythons pushed the comedy envelope a lot
further than BA. The church, on the other hand, is a comedian's dream as a
neverending source of ridicule.
That's why I think that the idea of BA as the 13th Apostle would've fallen flat
on its face. If Christ was badly portrayed, it wouldn't be just the Fundies
(who do seem to make it a hobby to be offended at just about anything under the
sun that they don't understand..which is a lot, mind you) who'd be offended.
Many would, including even some non-Xans.
Fortunately, it sounds like a non-issue anyway. Ah, but this MI-5 sounds good.
Again, a symbol of monumental stupidity: The Cold War. Go for it!
Thin Blue Line is ok...but I MUST have more Blackadder! Speaking of TBL, if
anyone could arrange it for me to be strip searched and patted down by
Constable Habib, I would be most grateful.
It might have been funny, if it wasn't for the fact that Chelmsford 123
did the same setting some years ago. I've no doubt that Elton, Curtis,
Atkinson & co could find lots of comedy in the situation, but they
wouldn't be daft enough to go over the same ground as another successful
sitcom.
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I have no comment on the M15 idea, but I definately do not see any traces
whatsoever of Black Adder in The Thin Blue Line. TTBL seems to be the British
version of Barney Miller, IMHO.
stf ou Jo wrote:
> I've just subscribe to this group so please don't be too hard with me, I MAY
> be asing dumb questeions.
>
> Is there supposed to be any new Blackadder series? That would be absolutely
> wonderful.
>
> I agree that one set around Jesus-Christ wouldn't be well received with most
> people plus would be set in the wrong region. But one set in Great-Britain
> during the Roman era could be fun. I imagine Blackadder as a roman officer
> or as a local trying to manage with the Romans (maybe I read too many
> Asterix albums, got all of them).
Hi, and welcome to the newsgroup. We're a pretty informal bunch, united by our
love of a certain big-nosed, rubber-faced bastard and his ulra-thickie
"friends". ( As you've probably noticed.) All hail Blackadder! Ahem. Sorry. Do
ignore all the horrid spam that's been cropping up of late. As to your
questions...
The "Biblical Blackadder" series was announced in the British tabloid press a
few months back, but has since been denounced as a hoax by both Richard Curtis
and Tony Robinson. But they both confirmed that there would indeed be a new
series of BA within the next couple of years.
Just a couple of weeks ago, the BBC's website revealed the latest rumor - the
new series (supposedly) will be titled "Blackadder MI5", and will be set in
the 1960's, with Mr. B. cast as a James Bondesque secret agent. Whether this
turns out to be true remains to be seen. But that's the latest rumor.
I gently disagree. (please bear in mind that as an American, I have
only viewed the few episodes released on tape here on this side of the
pond). In the beginning Fowler was almost completely cowed by the other
characters. He seemed to spend a lot of his time standing there with a
Mr Bean-ish look on his face while Dawkins or Grim berated him. As the
series went on he got a bit of backbone and conviction and gave us some
QUITE Blackadderish lines as:
Contable Grim: "I have half a mind to charge you!"
Fowler: "you have half a mind ... full stop"
(this scene must be pictured with Rowan's classic withering look)
And, of course, Habib seems to get the best lines:
Habib (on beauty pagents): "Tasteful? Forty birds standing in a row
with their boobs full of silicon and their bikini bits waxed down to
five curlies short of a Kojak? How tasteful is that?"
Blue (a die-hard Rowan Atkinson fan - in whatever guise <G>)
> stf ou Jo wrote:
>
> > I've just subscribe to this group so please don't be too hard with me, I MAY
> > be asing dumb questeions.
> >
> > Is there supposed to be any new Blackadder series? That would be absolutely
> > wonderful.
> >
> > I agree that one set around Jesus-Christ wouldn't be well received with most
> > people plus would be set in the wrong region. But one set in Great-Britain
> > during the Roman era could be fun. I imagine Blackadder as a roman officer
> > or as a local trying to manage with the Romans (maybe I read too many
> > Asterix albums, got all of them).
>
> Hi, and welcome to the newsgroup. We're a pretty informal bunch, united by our
> love of a certain big-nosed, rubber-faced bastard and his ulra-thickie
> "friends". ( As you've probably noticed.) All hail Blackadder! Ahem. Sorry. Do
> ignore all the horrid spam that's been cropping up of late. As to your
> questions...
No, don't ignore the spam, forward it to abuse@... where ... is the bit
after the @ in the origination email address.
>
> The "Biblical Blackadder" series was announced in the British tabloid press a
> few months back, but has since been denounced as a hoax by both Richard Curtis
> and Tony Robinson. But they both confirmed that there would indeed be a new
> series of BA within the next couple of years.
>
Tony Robinson didn't say it was a hoax, just that he doubted people
would have the time. The BBC site continued the Biblical story for ages
afterwards.
> Just a couple of weeks ago, the BBC's website revealed the latest rumor - the
> new series (supposedly) will be titled "Blackadder MI5", and will be set in
> the 1960's, with Mr. B. cast as a James Bondesque secret agent. Whether this
> turns out to be true remains to be seen. But that's the latest rumor.
Anyone remember Fry and Laurie's spy sketches?
Tim (tm)
Tim Miller, tm6248 at bristol.ac.uk
http://irix.bris.ac.uk/~tm6248
You know me, feel free to do anything. I don't mind.
(Emma Meechan)
Another rumour was that Elton had vowed not to write another series.
Does anyone know if there is any truth in any of this?
Chris
<snip>
Hi Blue! :)
Oh, I absolutely agree that Elton has put some clever and tart remarks into
Inspector Raymond Fowler's mouth, and that Fowler's character has developed
over the course of the series. But I do not think that makes TTBL very
similar to BA or Fowler similar to Edmund. IMHO, Fowler and Edmund are as
different as night and day, as are TTBL and BA.
Edmund and Fowler's characters are very differently drawn, and they are placed
in starkly different contexts. Fowler would be appalled by Edmund's
consciously blatant disregard for others' feelings, his cunning plans to
advance socially and economically, his disdain for everyday life, his lack of
loyalty, his disrespect for social and political institutions such as the
church and monarchy, etc., etc. And, Edmund, well, Edmund would see Fowler as
a useless twit, no more worthy of his time or attention than are Baldrick and
Percy. And, in a battle of razor sharp, witty, and rude remarks, neither
Fowler nor the rest of TTBL characters would last three minutes with Edmund.
Overall, I think Curtis and Elton set Edmund against the establishment and life
in general. Edmund is unconcerned for anyone or anything but himself. And,
the characters that surround Edmund often function as little more than props
for Edmund (this is less true in BA III and IV).
But Elton made Fowler, et al, a part of the establishment, albeit a frustrated
part. Moreover, unlike Edmund, TTBL characters sincerely care about one
another and the larger society. And, the supporting characters are more fully
drawn, so that one could imagine an episode of TTBL without the Fowler
character, but it would be virtually impossible to imagine a BA episode without
the Edmund character. Even the shows' titles support this idea, I think. So,
for these reasons, and others, I do not see much similarity between Edmund and
Raymond or between BA and TTBL.
Just an opinion. :)
A possible problem with this setting is the fact that Rowan played a
similar role in the Barclay card adverts. This on its own wont stop the
setting but I can't see the BA team producing a series that may be
mis-construed with a commercial. I realise Edmund and the character he
played in the ads were completely different but it is just a possble
thought.
Who would play whom?
Tony a typical Baldrik
Hugh a a dappy idealistic George type secret agent working with BA
Stephen a rival secret agent in a Melchett role or BAs boss
Tim a Percy character or melchetts snithelling side kick
But how would Miranda fit in other than a cameo appearance.
Also with Rik Mayal being OK ( thank God) there must be room for a
Flasheart cameo, and bring back Nursie!!!!
Also Mrs Miggins could reappear puting her foot in it about them being
secret agents.
Just some thoughts
THERE IS LITTLE REASON WHY IT HAS TO FOLLOW A CHRONOLGICAL AND
GEOGRAPHICAL VIEWPOINT. THE ONLY MUST IS THAT AN ERA IS CHOSEN THAT HAS
ENOUGH MATERIAL TO MAKE IT FUNNY. I THINK IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY FUNNY
ESPECIALLY IF HUGH WAS JESUS.
> >
> > I hope they go with the 60's spy idea. I also hope Curtis is going to
> > co-write it; Elton is extremely unfunny alone and an Elton-only (or even
> > Atkinson-Elton) written Blackadder would be a great disappointment.
>
> I think that the MI5 idea is a good one and I do hope that Curtis will
> be in on it. I can't agree with your assessment of Elton-only stuff
> being 'extremely unfunny'. I think that Thin Blue Line is a hoot and it
> appears to get better (and more Blackadderish) as the series went on.
> But for BA to be BA the writing must include Curtis.
>
WHERE HAS THIS PROBLEM COME FROM? CURTIS HAS BEEN IN ON IT FROM THE
START ROWAN MENTIONED HE WAS HAVING MEETINGS WITH HIM, SO IT IS
VIRTUALLY CERTAIN HE WILL BE ON IT. THE PROBLEM WAS ALWAYS ELTON BUT
THIS LOOKS TO BE SORTED OUT AND HE WILL BE INVOLVED AS TONY ONCE PUT IT
HE NNED THE ENCOURAGEMENT TO GET 'HIS FINGER OUT' THE REASON WHY ALL THE
RUMOURS HAVE JUST MENTIONED ELTONS NAME IS THAT HE IS IN MOST VIEW
HAVING HIS SHOW ON THURSDAY NIGHTS AND REPEATED ON SATURDAYS AND THIS
AIDS COGNITIVE LINKS. IF THERE IS A NEW BA IT WILL BE WRITTEN BY CURTIS
AND ELTON, MY BIGGEST WORREY IS WHO IS GOING TO BE IN IT, HOPEFULLY AL
THE REGULARS, HUGH STEPHEN, TONY, TIM, MIRANDA AND NURSIE!!! TROUBLE IS
THEY ARE ALL SUCCESSFUL AND VERY BUSY SO HAVING THEM ALL FREE AND IN THE
SAME PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME WILL PROBABLY BE THE HARDEST BARRIRER TO
OVERCOME, BUT THEY HAVE ALL SAID IN THE PAST HOW MUCH THEY ENJOYED DOING
THEM SO IT LOOKS GOOD.
In a recent interview stephen fry said Blackadder seemed to have happened to
another person rather had himself. Even Speckled Jim was lost on him.
Silk The Prince
<S N I P>
Atkinson himself has announced that there will be no further Blackadder
series beyond Blackadder goes Forth.
He is putting all his attention to (a.o.) Bean.
Sad but true.
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> Blue Hill wrote:
> >
> > cam...@emtex.com wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <892592346.18017.0...@news.demon.co.uk>#1/1,
> > > "Mark Simons" <Ma...@eeediot.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is it true that Ben Elton is considering a Blackadder set in the times of
> > > > Jesus Christ?
>
> <S N I P>
>
> Atkinson himself has announced that there will be no further Blackadder
> series beyond Blackadder goes Forth.
>
Atkinson himself announced that there would be no further Blackadder
series beyond Blackadder the Third.
We can but hope ...
John Alderslade wrote:
> > > Just a couple of weeks ago, the BBC's website revealed the latest rumor - the
> > > new series (supposedly) will be titled "Blackadder MI5", and will be set in
> > > the 1960's, with Mr. B. cast as a James Bondesque secret agent. Whether this
> > > turns out to be true remains to be seen. But that's the latest rumor.
> >
> Who would play whom?
>
> Tony a typical Baldrik
> Hugh a a dappy idealistic George type secret agent working with BA
> Stephen a rival secret agent in a Melchett role or BAs boss
> Tim a Percy character or melchetts snithelling side kick
> But how would Miranda fit in other than a cameo appearance.
What about a Bond girl type.
> Also with Rik Mayal being OK ( thank God) there must be room for a
> Flasheart cameo,
I sure as hell hope so!
> and bring back Nursie!!!!
NNNOOOO!!!! She was a good character for that series but I don't think shefits in any
where else.
> Also Mrs Miggins could reappear puting her foot in it about them being
> secret agents.
>
Shure why not.
> Just some thoughts
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Joel Rollins wrote in message ...
To me, TBL isn't in BA's class. It has it's funny bits, but I mostly laugh at
the gay cop more than Fowler. Atkinson doesn't get the freedom in TBL that he
had in BA and Mr. Bean. Compared to BA it's very stale.
Officer Kevin Goody is NOT gay! If he were gay, why would he be so love sick
over Maggie?
IMHO, TBL is not built around Atkinson. It is more of an ensemble show.
IDerby <ide...@aol.com> wrote in article
<199805170537...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
> >Still, TBL "is" funny too, though not as much as BA.
>
>I agree.....while occasionally I will hear a line or two in TBL that
>reminds me that the writer did Blackadder too I can't see too much
>similarity between Fowler and Edmund.
>
i was always under the impression that it had been written as an
alternative to BAV
Steven Taylor wrote:
> >Oh but that gorgeous little asian policewoman..................
nonsense ;-)
BTW Mad Ger, what happened to your sig? No site reference? When is the quize
going to close and results posted? I _really_ want to see how badly I did...
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>Paul wrote in message <3562b1ad.6735525@news>...
><snip TBL>
>>i was always under the impression that it had been written as an
>>alternative to BAV
>
>nonsense ;-)
>
>BTW Mad Ger, what happened to your sig? No site reference? When is the quize
>going to close and results posted? I _really_ want to see how badly I did...
>
>Gwyneth.
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i dunno... i think that rowan and ben wanted to work again but didn't
want to do a blackadder.. so ben came up with the thin blue line
insead..
of course, i did mistakenly say that i thought peter bowles had died
yesterday :)
paul
Then he's bi-sexual. He plays the same character in Ab Fab's "The Last Shout"
as a hairdresser.
IDerby wrote in message <199805310701...@ladder03.news.aol.com>...
He's not Bi-sexual, either -- he's quite upset over the gay fireman's
attentions in one episode. The word we're searching for, I think, is
effemininate. Once can be effeminiate without being either gay or bi...
That apparent difference is where the show derives much of the humor of his
character...
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