Bill Hicks - Murder Victim?
KNVB
remark that, "Someone's gonna KILL that dude."
I have heard some talk of certain biological substances
utilized by assassins working for various underground agencies which
can be stealthily administered to a target hypodermically, and over
time produce death, and simulate the appearance of some common natural
cause closely enough to fool even a seasoned forensic pathologist.
It is my understanding that Bill Hicks reportedly died at an
early age of pancreatic cancer. I can't help but wonder, given the
man's controversial propensity to stab at sacred cows, and bellow the
truth in a world where the truth scares the living shit out of most
people, can we really be absolutely sure that his death was, for the
lack of a better term, "natural"?
Comments?
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means. Almost everyone who's posted here either became aware of him
after or just prior to his death. I'm inclined to see the gov't as
confused pawns mindlessly aping what had been set up by their
forfathers rather than cold, calculating killers. Of course, there's
no real proof either way.
Keith McNally
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onl...@hotmail.com
barb...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
> I don't think Bill made enough of a stir to require such extreme
> means. Almost everyone who's posted here either became aware of him
> after or just prior to his death. I'm inclined to see the gov't as
> confused pawns mindlessly aping what had been set up by their
> forfathers rather than cold, calculating killers. Of course, there's
> no real proof either way.
few things that relate to the initial post. please forgive that i'm not using
thread etiquette:
as the above person cites, the government is not that organized.
if it were, it likely would have done the deed more swiftly.
bill may have been outspoken, but i'm thinking a comedian who pushed for
social change and individual responsibility would be fairly low on the
government's list of assassination targets. i'm sorry, but a comedian just
ain't a priority.
it is terribly painful for bill's family to read suggestions that his death
was a conspiratorial plot. how do i know this? one of his family members told
me. he died of pancreatic cancer, for which there is no known direct cause.
how do i know this? i've had a family member succumb to this terrible
illness, and i volunteer at one of the nation's (u.s.) top cancer centers.
not that it's relevant, but i was fortunate enough to have learned about bill
hicks possibly as early as 1989 or 1990. a friend in chicago turned me onto
his humor, and i attended probably a half dozen or more of his performances
at the funny firm there.
only sal
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Michael Chauvin
<snip-and-a-half>
>people, can we really be absolutely sure that his death was, for the
>lack of a better term, "natural"?
With nothing approaching evidence, you'd have to be suspicious of
everyone's death. Can *you* really be absolutely sure that anyone's
death was natural?
Hope that doesn't come off sounding to caustic. I do believe in a
healthy amount of skepticism, I just don't think this particular line
warrants consideration.
Mike
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Rob
>as the above person cites, the government is not that organized.
Exactly. We'er talking here of the insidious, covert power that
runs the whole socio, economic and political agenda.
Government is a facade and politicians mere 'puppets'; almost certainly
too inept to sanction and carry out an assassination.
>if it were, it likely would have done the deed more swiftly.
IMHO, it was impeccalbe timing, just when Bill was at his most
productive and thought provoking. Moreover, just when his message
was begining to resonate within an ever growing and responsive
audience.
>bill may have been outspoken, but i'm thinking a comedian who pushed for
>social change and individual responsibility would be fairly low on the
>government's list of assassination targets. i'm sorry, but a comedian just
>ain't a priority.
That's the point, Bill was'nt *just* a comedian. He was an iconoclastic
social commentator, a philosopher of sorts, who struck a chord within
a generation of people that had been spoon-fed nothing but corporate
propaganda since they plopped out the uterus.
Sure he wanted social change -- don't we all, but Bill also possessed
that charismatic quality that could/still does, wake people from their
culturally induced narcosis and to see the world in an entirely different
light. He also instilled in his audience that, not only could they, but
it was their duty to doubt, deride and disobey.
FUCK! If that's not a reason to be 'bumped off' I don't know what is.
Bob.
KEEP REPEATING, "WE ARE FREE".
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"Rob" <ro...@dircon.co.uk> wrote:
> That's the point, Bill was'nt *just* a comedian. He was an iconoclastic
> social commentator, a philosopher of sorts, who struck a chord within
> a generation of people that had been spoon-fed nothing but corporate
> propaganda since they plopped out the uterus.
> Sure he wanted social change -- don't we all, but Bill also possessed
> that charismatic quality that could/still does, wake people from their
> culturally induced narcosis and to see the world in an entirely different
> light. He also instilled in his audience that, not only could they, but
> it was their duty to doubt, deride and disobey.
look, bill encouraged everyone to use his or her brain to think
independently... but use it!!! i don't know whose conspiratorial bullshit
you're buying into, but he died of natural causes. and in the words of jimmy
pineapple equire -- case fucking closed.
i've had this discussion before. i'm not going to have it again. welcome to
"you're wrong" night.
Danny Johnson
> When I first became aware of his humor, I remember making the
>remark that, "Someone's gonna KILL that dude."
>
> I have heard some talk of certain biological substances
>utilized by assassins working for various underground agencies which
>can be stealthily administered to a target hypodermically, and over
>time produce death, and simulate the appearance of some common natural
>cause closely enough to fool even a seasoned forensic pathologist.
>
> It is my understanding that Bill Hicks reportedly died at an
>early age of pancreatic cancer. I can't help but wonder, given the
>man's controversial propensity to stab at sacred cows, and bellow the
>truth in a world where the truth scares the living shit out of most
>people, can we really be absolutely sure that his death was, for the
>lack of a better term, "natural"?
>
>Comments?
>
What would your reaction be if someone kept repeating the "Wimp
President" routine all the time, Especially an outspoken
anti-republican like Bill.
Holds up better than most conspiracy theories.
(Especially the pro-castro pigeon one)
Dj
onl...@hotmail.com
onl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> look, bill encouraged everyone to use his or her brain to think
> independently... but use it!!! i don't know whose conspiratorial bullshit
> you're buying into, but he died of natural causes. and in the words of jimmy
> pineapple equire -- case fucking closed.
>
> i've had this discussion before. i'm not going to have it again. welcome to
> "you're wrong" night.
>
> only sal
okay, i went a little overboard here, and i'm taking responsibility for that.
i have an excruciating pain in my head tonight.
i still think that the idea bill was murdered is farfetched, but i don't want
to disrespect you for having that view. i apologize for the tone.
FIXEDmyCAT
Just wanna throw my two cents in here: I think that the idea tha Bill was
murdered by the government is the very type of far-fetched lunacy that Bill so
brilliantly made fun of all of his life. Come on, how ridiculous can you be?
There are political extremists in this country (Pat Buchanan, Lindon LaRouche
{sp?}, Ross Perot, and the like) who represent a far greater threat to our
government than Bill did, because Bill wasn't trying to organize people into
politically motivated action the way those people listed above are. Bill was
just trying to think for himself... something that isn't necessary to do if you
are so quick to buy into conspiracy theories. . If the government were going
to have anyone killed, why would they pick a godamn comedian when there are
people out there who are literally influencing people to do shit like blow up
federal buildings and form militias?
The idea hinges on the notion that the government is even well organized enough
to pull off such an act and then cover it up. And that, my friends, is one
loony notion.
Not to mention that it is rooted in a fear-mongering paranoia that was totally
counter to the pro-active message that Bill was trying to get through to you.
I am convinced that Bill would be disgusted at the notion that his legacy gave
way to some sort of x-files conspiracy theory bullshit.
By the way, lest you liberals think you have the market cornered on Bill Hicks
fandom, let me point out that I am an extremely conservative libertarian who
voted for Bob Dole and would do so again... and I think Bill Hicks was a godamn
genius... partly because he was so good at exposing the hypocracy in this
country, including the hypocracy in myself and people like me. I am offended
by the notion that anyone of a conservative bent would advocate the murder of
Bill Hicks or anyone like him, and I think that promoting such a theory tells
us an awful lot about the way YOUR mind works.
Darrell
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FIXEDmyCAT
In regard to my post that (I think) pretty well debunks the "Bill was murdered"
theory...
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Michael Read
Though plenty of indirect causes, especially smoking and drinking.
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Michael Read <Mi...@hollywood.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Though plenty of indirect causes, especially smoking and drinking.
well, yes about the smoking... not so sure about the drinking. smokers are
(sometimes 2 or 3 times) more likely to develop pancreatic cancer than
non-smokers. it's a horrible disease, and one that is rarely ever "cured"
because it mimics so many other afflictions that by the time doctors discover
it nestled in the abdominal cavity, it likely has spread beyond treatment
stages. many of its victims die fairly soon after (within a year) diagnosis
and wither away to nothing. it also is very painful.
goatgirl, who sometimes posts here in the newsgroup, came up with a great
idea for a t-shirt. picture a pancreas with the words "just thinking of bill
hicks."
anyway, nice to see some traffic in here again.
Michael Read
<fixed...@aol.com> writes
>By the way, lest you liberals think you have the market cornered on Bill Hicks
>fandom, let me point out that I am an extremely conservative libertarian who
>voted for Bob Dole and would do so again... and I think Bill Hicks was a godamn
>genius... partly because he was so good at exposing the hypocracy in this
>country, including the hypocracy in myself and people like me. I am offended
>by the notion that anyone of a conservative bent would advocate the murder of
>Bill Hicks or anyone like him, and I think that promoting such a theory tells
>us an awful lot about the way YOUR mind works.
>
>Darrell
But as a conservative you must have a hard time with his take on
morality, and fundamentalism?
--
Michael Read
Michael Read
>goatgirl, who sometimes posts here in the newsgroup, came up with a great
>idea for a t-shirt. picture a pancreas with the words "just thinking of bill
>hicks."
This is brilliant! And, I like to think he would have approved, even
cursing through the pain.
Mike
--
Michael Read
FENATIC
Hicks
fandom, let me point out that I am an extremely conservative libertarian who
voted for Bob Dole and would do so again... and I think Bill Hicks was a godamn
genius... partly because he was so good at exposing the hypocracy in this
country, including the hypocracy in myself and people like me. I am offended
by the notion that anyone of a conservative bent would advocate the murder of
Bill Hicks or anyone like him, and I think that promoting such a theory tells
us an awful lot about the way YOUR mind works.
Darrell>>
Anyone DUMB ENOUGH to think there is a dimes worth of difference between the
republican filth and the democratic swine, is fully entitled to use uselessly
derogatory slang terms like liberals and still pretend to understand Bill
Hicks. I presume you really like the big hairly purple veined dick jokes best.
Personally, I dont want to live in a world run by Archer Daniels Midland or
General Electric. If you have any intention of evolving, you might want to
discard that two party system fallicy ASAP. Regarding the governments
willingness to kill "agitators" there is a long line of black militants who
have all met shortened lives. Course they didnt use fancy methods, but they
indisputably did the job. COINTELPRO is just one of the travesties of our
national security state, and they wont fuck around if they want you. Ask the
Earth Firsters who were car bombed. and then blamed for it.
onl...@hotmail.com
> Anyone DUMB ENOUGH to think there is a dimes worth of difference between the
> republican filth and the democratic swine, is fully entitled to use uselessly
> derogatory slang terms like liberals and still pretend to understand Bill
> Hicks. I presume you really like the big hairly purple veined dick jokes
best.
> Personally, I dont want to live in a world run by Archer Daniels Midland or
> General Electric. If you have any intention of evolving, you might want to
> discard that two party system fallicy ASAP. Regarding the governments
> willingness to kill "agitators" there is a long line of black militants who
> have all met shortened lives. Course they didnt use fancy methods, but they
> indisputably did the job. COINTELPRO is just one of the travesties of our
> national security state, and they wont fuck around if they want you. Ask the
> Earth Firsters who were car bombed. and then blamed for it.
okay, if the guy found the newgroup, he's not dumb. you may disagree with his
views or think the views are dumb, but calling him dumb is beneath you, and
you know it. he never had the chance to explain if by conservative he
primarily meant fiscally. there are a lot of people who are socially liberal
but fiscally conservative. he did say he was libertarian, which pretty much
(to me) means he doesn't want the government interfering with our lives.
i'm not saying the government or corporate america isn't capable if it wants
to bad enough. i'm just saying that's not what happened to bill.
the very fact that people like noam chomsky, robert anton wilson, and
terrance mc kenna still breathe is one pretty strong argument that the
government isn't trying to kill the messengers. there are other people saying
the same thing. william s. burroughs died of natural causes. john judge and
henry rollins are still out there, as is jello biafra and a whole lot more.
and out of all of these people, they're gonna target comedian bill hicks? and
they're gonna do it so subversively that, unlike your earth firsters, they're
going to expose him to some form of secret carcinogen instead of doing it
swiftly?
common sense tells me, no. it just doesn't add up.
FIXEDmyCAT
my "Bill was NOT murdered" post. I should have known to expect no less from
the members of this NG.
Sal seems to have a pretty good grasp on where I am coming from. No, I don't
want the government screwing with my life or anyone elses. I am conservative
mostly in the fiscal sense of the world, and I believe that individual will is
the most important concept in the world...
Regarding Bill's stance on religious funda-MENTAL-ism... that is the main thing
about his comedy that appeals to me. My politics are very right-leaning, but
not from a "Jerry Falwell" like p.o.v. I love the way Bill just shook the
bullshit right out of politics, the media, the word in general, etc.
Regarding FENATIC's post, I have to say that it is about 90 percent crap.
There IS a difference between the democratic and republican parties... both
parties are largely inept, but the republicans are at least fiscally
responsible, for the most part. Yeah, I voted for Dole because I knew that if
he was President, I'd be getting him at Face Value... as opposed to Clinton,
who seems to have no real face value. (Granted, Dole's famous "Hollywood
Sucks" speech was stupid, but it is just a sign of how poorly advised he was
during his 96 campaign.)
"Discarding the two party system fallicy" is pretty good sound bite
phillosophy, it sounds cool... but it is just plain dumb. Fact: The two
party system is the predominate governing system in this country. Anyone who
intends to make any real difference in the way this country is run needs to
learn all he can about the two party system and learn what he can do to change
it... if only from a "know your enemy" point of view. The bottom line is, live
in the now. Big talk about evolving and disregarding politics just makes you
sound like a slacker. Bill was able to turn his ideas into a career. He was
actively trying to make a difference in the way things were done. There's the
difference between Bill and the average loudmouth gen-x'er.
Yeah, some black men who have tried to change things for the better have been
murdered. Show me the tiniest speck of realistic evidence that the government
was involved. Fact is, you should be grateful that you live in a country where
the government is removed enough from your personal life that you can trumpet
such grandstanding drivel without being arrested.
Let me remind you, this country was founded by political dissadants. You're
ideas ain't nothin' new, my friend. You just don't present them well. I'd
like to think you'd have learned more from our common hero.
Lastly, let me say that my spelling is God-Awful. I just don't have time right
now to spell-check this post, so I apologize for the mispellings that I'm sure
you've all spotted.
Bob
>There IS a difference between the democratic and republican parties... both
>parties are largely inept, but the republicans are at least fiscally
>responsible, for the most part.
>"Discarding the two party system fallicy" is pretty good sound bite
>phillosophy, it sounds cool... but it is just plain dumb. Fact: The two
>party system is the predominate governing system in this country. Anyone who
>intends to make any real difference in the way this country is run needs to
>learn all he can about the two party system and learn what he can do to change
>it... if only from a "know your enemy" point of view.
"I'll show you politics in America, here it is right here.
'I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs, I think
the puppet on the left is more to my liking'.
'Hey, wait a minute, there's one guy holding up both puppets'.
'Shut up... Go back to bed America, your Government is in control'."
Say no more!
The Reverend Tim McIntire
fixed...@aol.com (FIXEDmyCAT) wrote:
->Regarding FENATIC's post, I have to say that it is about 90 percent crap.
->There IS a difference between the democratic and republican parties... both
->parties are largely inept, but the republicans are at least fiscally
->responsible, for the most part. Yeah, I voted for Dole because I knew that if
->he was President, I'd be getting him at Face Value... as opposed to Clinton,
->who seems to have no real face value. (Granted, Dole's famous "Hollywood
->Sucks" speech was stupid, but it is just a sign of how poorly advised he was
->during his 96 campaign.)
Uh, the sheer fact that he was easily steered by his advisors should point
out that you're NOT getting him at face value. The fact is, in the grand
scheme of things, there really isn't a difference between the two
parties. They have some different platform planks and some mildly
different budget priorities, but by and large they're really pretty much
the same...centrist corporate lackeys. Same pimps, different whores.
->"Discarding the two party system fallicy" is pretty good sound bite
->phillosophy, it sounds cool... but it is just plain dumb.
Wanting not to get fucked is dumb? Why is that, exactly? It's dumb to
realize that maybe we're not being served in the slightest and maybe
having a few more options to choose from might help this country steer
itself away from its headlong plunge into Corporate Fiefdoms?
->Fact: The two
->party system is the predominate governing system in this country. Anyone who
->intends to make any real difference in the way this country is run needs to
->learn all he can about the two party system and learn what he can do to change
->it... if only from a "know your enemy" point of view. The bottom line
is, live
->in the now.
Can't I live in the now AND want to change things AND not want to vote for
someone that doesn't really represent me? I've never bought into that
line of thinking. I'd much rather "waste" my vote and satisfy my
conscience. At least that way I'm not a willing accessory.
->Fact is, you should be grateful that you live in a country where
->the government is removed enough from your personal life that you can trumpet
->such grandstanding drivel without being arrested.
Footnote: See Lenny Bruce, 2 Live Crew, et al.
Sorry...I just hadn't posted anything in this NG for awhile, and this was
the only thread I could jump into.
The Reverend Tim McIntire
Proud Loudmouth Gen-X'er since 1991
http://www.cris.com/~macadoo
FIXEDmyCAT
I appreciate your post, which was well thought out and well written. I do
disagree with you about some stuff, though. Adamantly, in some areas. Here
ya go:
Regarding Bob Dole, you wrote:
>Uh, the sheer fact that he was easily steered by his advisors should point
>out that you're NOT getting him at face value.
I disagree with this. All politicans behave differently on the campaign trail
than they do in office. That's just how that game works in the 20th century.
By saying that I knew I'd be getting Bob Dole at face value, I mean that I knew
what his record in the senate indicated about how he'd be in the White House.
Bob Dole's beliefs, as expressed by his actions in the senate, are very close
to my political beliefs. Closer than any other national politician. For
example, Dole was one of the early opposers of the Persian Gulf distraction.
(Granted, he fell in once the "War" was under way, but I didn't expect anything
else from him. He is, after all, only a politican, not Christ returned.)
>Wanting not to get fucked is dumb? Why is that, exactly?
There is a difference between not wanting to get fucked and discarding the very
system by which you can protect yourself from getting fucked.
>having a few more options to choose from might help this country steer
>itself away from its headlong plunge into Corporate Fiefdoms?
>
This anti-capitolism shit is just silly. As long as people are apathetic and
indifferent enough to stay glued to their TV screens, then the Corporate
Fiefdom you rail against is going to be the stone cold reality of things. The
problem isn't Corporate America, the problem is the apathy of the "More
Snickers More Coke" set, and everyone in it. You can't change the country
with some grand sweeping political action, you can only change one individual
at a time. That's what Bill was trying to do. You didn't hear Bill out there
advocating the formation of a new party or parties, did you? Nope... he was
just trying to get people to think for themselves.
l>Can't I live in the now AND want to change things AND not want to vote for
>someone that doesn't really represent me?
I can't argue with that. It's a good point. I just hope you don't think that
you'll ever find a politian with whom you agree on every single issue. I am
happy to find a politician with whom I agree on four or five major issues.
> I'd much rather "waste" my vote and satisfy my
>conscience.
Well, I think you pretty well summed up your stance right there. Look, you
don't form a lump of clay into a vase by ignoring it... you change it a little
bit at a time. You put a little pressure on it until it bends a bit in the
right direction... and then you figure out the next place it needs to bend and
you put pressure on it in that spot. Saying you'd rather waste your vote than
apply it toward gradual change is just a justification of apathy... the same
kind of apathy that keeps people who aren't as smart as you glued to their TVs.
>Footnote: See Lenny Bruce, 2 Live Crew, et al.
Lenny Bruce set the very precident by which I make my claim. He went through
hell to do it, but he did it. So did Larry Flint. As far as the Two Live
Crew is concerned, if you bother to actually read a little about their cases, I
think you'll be embarassed that you brought them up. They don't deserve to be
discussed in the same forum as Hicks and Bruce. (Flint, by the way, is only
worthy of discussion because of the Supreme Court's involvement in his case,
IMHO.)
However, I think that Bill was saying things far "worse" than Lenny Bruce, and
I am not aware of him having been arrested. By saying "Live in the now," I was
trying to point out that, in 1998, you can voice any ligitimate dissent that
you want and the government won't give you any hell for it. This ain't China.
>Sorry...I just hadn't posted anything in this NG for awhile, and this was
>the only thread I could jump into.
Believe it or not, I am really glad you posted. I love hearing from thinking
people with opinions different than my own, and you are clearly that. I am
assuming that you don't buy into the whole "Bill was murdered by the CIA"
crock of shit, though, and that is what got me riled up in the first place.
I owe you an apology for the mispellings that I'm sure you've read in this
post. I am using AOL and can't spell check my newsgroup posts... and I'm too
lazy to cut and paste to Word and then cut and paste back.
onl...@hotmail.com
fixed...@aol.com (FIXEDmyCAT) wrote:
> This anti-capitolism shit is just silly. As long as people are apathetic and
> indifferent enough to stay glued to their TV screens, then the Corporate
> Fiefdom you rail against is going to be the stone cold reality of things. The
> problem isn't Corporate America, the problem is the apathy of the "More
> Snickers More Coke" set, and everyone in it. You can't change the country
> with some grand sweeping political action, you can only change one individual
> at a time. That's what Bill was trying to do. You didn't hear Bill out there
> advocating the formation of a new party or parties, did you? Nope... he was
> just trying to get people to think for themselves.
so just let it continue? i don't really see your point on this one, darrell.
let apathy, ergo corporate america win?
you say the problem isn't corporate america simply because it's unavoidable.
i submit that the problem IS corporate america AND the people who are
distracted by shiny things on television (look at how it sparkles!). i am
not sure exactly how you can want government out of your life, when the
majority of the time all it's doing is catering to big business, and you
concede that big business is the "stone cold reality of things."
it's businesses that doesn't want us to think for ourselves, and politicians
are their pawns. do you think big business gives a damn about abortion rights
or family values? hell no. it cares about getting environmental and labor
regulations relaxed and tax waivers... and it need not look any further than
the republican party, the christian coalition and the ditto-heads. these
people line up to suck on satan's wee wee without realizing they, too, are
are being used. and if you think you can't change the country with sweeping
political actions, then i suggest you glance back at the support the flag
burning amendment and the istook "religious freedom" amendment received and
just who was pressuring whom. good thing people like martin luther king
didn't feel they couldn't make a difference.
> > I'd much rather "waste" my vote and satisfy my
> >conscience.
>
> Well, I think you pretty well summed up your stance right there. Look, you
> don't form a lump of clay into a vase by ignoring it... you change it a little
> bit at a time. You put a little pressure on it until it bends a bit in the
> right direction... and then you figure out the next place it needs to bend and
> you put pressure on it in that spot. Saying you'd rather waste your vote than
> apply it toward gradual change is just a justification of apathy... the same
> kind of apathy that keeps people who aren't as smart as you glued to their TVs.
in most cases, aren't we just voting for the lesser of two evils as we
perceive them? and even if that is the case, and i think it always will be,
i'm still not going to give up. a step toward fiscal conservatism is two
steps back for social programs.
i, personally, could never bring myself to vote for someone who supported the
bullshit the tobacco companies were trying to force down our esophagus. dole
flip-flopped on the abortion issue to get popularity points, just as clinton
did on gays in the military and welfare. sure we have to choose our battles.
mine is being waged against corporate america because evolution sure ain't
gonna happen unless someone does. doesn't mean that if dole were a runaway
victor in a race that i would change my vote or not go to the polls. would my
vote be wasted? i guess that would be a matter of opinion.
of course, i still have needs so the company (please, no names!) i work for
is exempt from the above rant. *slurp*
FENATIC
views or think the views are dumb, but calling him dumb is beneath you, and
you know it. he never had the chance to explain if by conservative he
primarily meant fiscally. there are a lot of people who are socially liberal
but fiscally conservative. he did say he was libertarian, which pretty much
(to me) means he doesn't want the government interfering with our lives.
i'm not saying the government or corporate america isn't capable if it wants
to bad enough. i'm just saying that's not what happened to bill.
the very fact that people like noam chomsky, robert anton wilson, and
terrance mc kenna still breathe is one pretty strong argument that the
government isn't trying to kill the messengers. there are other people saying
the same thing. william s. burroughs died of natural causes. john judge and
henry rollins are still out there, as is jello biafra and a whole lot more.
and out of all of these people, they're gonna target comedian bill hicks? and
they're gonna do it so subversively that, unlike your earth firsters, they're
going to expose him to some form of secret carcinogen instead of doing it
swiftly?
common sense tells me, no. it just doesn't add up.
only sal>>
I hope you can forgive me for quoting a Hicks joke (Anyone DUMB ENOUGH) and
inferring the obvious (the puppet on the left etc.).
I dont think for a second that Bill was killed by a CIA too inept to off
Castro. I do know that the govts various programs to influence societies
course and intellecual diet often include bullets and false arrest,
imprisonment and perhaps worse.
There are only a few signs of true stupidity I recognize. One is a belief in
the validity of modern two party politics. Another is a willingness to defend
it. Both are superfluous to the plain as day fact that both parties are
fucking you, stopping to give themselves a raise for it and then going right
back to fucking you till their next pay raise. There is no more difference
between them than Coke and Pepsi, and no democracy with only them. The
republicans are the party of choice for the modern day white right, and bigots
should be denied the vote, theres a reparation! If you think abortion is a
significant issue (its the only one in the Ca gov race, seemingly) youre
falling for the oldest distraction in the modern book. Its a nonissue, a
smokescreen. Wake up America! theyre feeding you shit and making you say you
liked it.
Is William S Burroughs really dead????
Sorry I misspelled Fallacy (I think)
Not sorry for any other mistakes
Never use the word liberal incorrectly in front of me, what you mean to say is
"Nigger"
Barry
> I have heard some talk of certain biological substances
>utilized by assassins working for various underground agencies which
>can be stealthily administered to a target hypodermically, and over
>time produce death, and simulate the appearance of some common natural
>cause closely enough to fool even a seasoned forensic pathologist.
A friend of mine, after hearing some Hicks for the first time, commented
that some of the more notorious noisemakers in history had also died of
what Bill did (he listed some examples, which I've totally forgotten). He
said that disease is very hard to get, almost so hard to get that you'd
almost have to be *given* it. Hmmmm... Maybe I'll ask him to clarify a
bit. :-)
onl...@hotmail.com
fen...@aol.com (FENATIC) wrote:
> I hope you can forgive me for quoting a Hicks joke (Anyone DUMB ENOUGH) and
> inferring the obvious (the puppet on the left etc.).
okay, i did miss that hicks reference. i have heard hicks material
almost nonstop for more than a year... and while i obviously became a fan of
his long ago... listening to anything nonstop becomes background noise.
> I dont think for a second that Bill was killed by a CIA too inept to off
> Castro. I do know that the govts various programs to influence societies
> course and intellecual diet often include bullets and false arrest,
> imprisonment and perhaps worse.
then who?
> There are only a few signs of true stupidity I recognize. One is a belief
in
> the validity of modern two party politics. Another is a willingness to
defend
> it.
i'm not gonna argue these points as they weren't mine to begin with. i concede
that i did miss your reference to bill's "anyone dumb enough..."
> If you think abortion is a
> significant issue (its the only one in the Ca gov race, seemingly) youre
> falling for the oldest distraction in the modern book. Its a nonissue, a
> smokescreen. Wake up America! theyre feeding you shit and making you say
you
> liked it.
if you think it's as non-issue then you are not seeing how it is a control
issue against women. i do not think for one moment that it is a moral issue,
which is what they want you to believe.
> Is William S Burroughs really dead????
yes. last year. we mourned him on ryko's hicks message board. that is, unless
he went underground. i'm sure our conspiracy theorists will have their own
take on his disappearance, and carlos casteneda as well.
> Sorry I misspelled Fallacy (I think)
biggest pain in the ass on usenet -- if you're communicating and i understand
what you're saying... fuck grammar and fuck spelling.
> Never use the word liberal incorrectly in front of me, what you mean to say
is
> "Nigger"
is this another quote? i like it... but i do hope you really don't think i'm
using the word liberal incorrectly.
onl...@hotmail.com
bar...@NO-SPAM-DAMMIT.hotmail.com (Barry) wrote:
> A friend of mine, after hearing some Hicks for the first time, commented
> that some of the more notorious noisemakers in history had also died of
> what Bill did (he listed some examples, which I've totally forgotten). He
> said that disease is very hard to get, almost so hard to get that you'd
> almost have to be *given* it. Hmmmm... Maybe I'll ask him to clarify a
> bit. :-)
so hard to get that my grandmother, my neighbor, bill hicks, and a coworker's
mother got it? yeah, right. no. pancreatic cancer is not that rare. i would
argue that the same ratio of the "more notorious noisemakers in history" die
from pancreatic cancer as do the population at large.
y'all are really stretching this conspiracy theory -- pins in carseats, etc.
-- to fit what you want to believe. bill hicks is dead of natural causes. a
modern day tragedy. it sucks, and it's easier to be angry at something like a
government or a corporation than to be angry at random cell division.
FIXEDmyCAT
>so just let it continue? i don't really see your point on this one, darrell.
>let apathy, ergo corporate america win?
>
______
Not at all... I am just talking about the people who bitch about corporate
America and the two party system but don't have any ideas about how to fix
it... people who really do nothing except bitch and bitch and bitch. Fuck
them. I mean, Shit, Bill Hicks was just a stand up comic, but he turned his
career into a way to try to get through to people one at a time. He had balls
the size of church bells. I appreciate that. What I don't appreciate is
college age slackers bitching about the government in newsgroups just because
they think their words look so cool on the screen.
>i am
>not sure exactly how you can want government out of your life, when the
>majority of the time all it's doing is catering to big business, and you
>concede that big business is the "stone cold reality of things."
_______
I want government out of my life in that I don't want a lot of laws that govern
my personal behavior. In Bill's words, what the fuck business is it of yours
what I do in my home if I don't hurt another person. However, I recognize that
the government and "corporate America" are the reality of it, and I am willing
to stay focused on reality as I try to change things for the better, as I
belive "better" to be. Look, capitolism is not evil. Name another form of
government that will work in a nation this large.
>good thing people like martin luther king
>didn't feel they couldn't make a difference.
Good point... but MLK made a difference the same way Bill did... one person at
a time. There are too many people who think it is easy to affect real
change... too many people think that sweeping legislation, or the unilateral
destruction of the two party system is the easy-fix-all to the country's
problems.
_________
>i, personally, could never bring myself to vote for someone who supported the
>bullshit the tobacco companies were trying to force down our esophagus.
Ironic, considering that this is the Bill Hicks NG. I always thought that Bill
himself was a bit hypocritical to rant about how evil Coke and Snickers are
with a fucking cancer-stick hanging out of his mouth. Of course, Bill would
just say I should look around at the world in which I live and shut the fuck
up. But, that's the compromise. You have to do the best you can with the best
you have to offer... and if the best you have to offer is to rant against one
puppet while addicted to the other, so bit it. Make the compromise. Bill did
that, I do that, I imagine that you do it, too. We all compromise to get
through life.
____________
>of course, i still have needs so the company (please, no names!) i work for
>is exempt from the above rant.
Well, there ya go. The compromise in full effect.
Thanks for the reponse, sal. As I am learning is the norm for your posts, it
was well presented and gave me lots to think about.
FENATIC
college age slackers bitching about the government in newsgroups just because
they think their words look so cool on the screen.>>
yknow, I think you might be referring to me. In which case, FYI, Im slightly
post college age (sob!), but UC educated regardless, not exactly gen X or any
other label youd like to slap me with, and not really keen on your nonsense.
So let me be clear, FUCK YOU! Two party politics will never undo their own
corrupt deregulation/campaign contribution carousel ride, and if you need me to
spell out the fairly obvious if not totally oppressed benefits of a multi party
system that would guarantee SOME representation for underpaid and overworked
labor, food and clothing for those ever so vile poor people, environmental
protections for everyones benefit, rather than the oligarchy's profit, etc.,
Ill try to do that with the help of some purple veined dick jokes to keep your
attention. All you get now with "two party" politics is a dog and pony show of
deadlock, gridlock, bogus issues (yes abortion is an attack on womens rights,
but theyll never stop it, hence functionally a "non-issue" smokescreen)
skullduggery, witch hunts and campaign contributions. Go Back to sleep
America, you are under control.
P.S. I am the source of the liberal/nigger quote, thanks for your
appreciation! : )
FENATIC
government that will work in a nation this large.>>
OK how about "DIRECT DEMOCRACY"? One SSN#, one vote, all congressional and
executive decisions subject to comparison with a voluntary citizens referendum
on that particular legislative topic.
Naw, lets just stick with the time tested electoral college!
FENATIC
did, Id kill em. However, it is less than useful to deny that OUR GOVERNMENT
would not, will not and have not killed anyone they found disagreeable to
National Security. Bill faced these forces when he was cut from David
Lettermen, as well as other times, Im sure.
Phineas Narco
>In article <barlanc-2808...@ip-26-088.phx.primenet.com>,
> bar...@NO-SPAM-DAMMIT.hotmail.com (Barry) wrote:
>
>> A friend of mine, after hearing some Hicks for the first time, commented
>> that some of the more notorious noisemakers in history had also died of
>> what Bill did (he listed some examples, which I've totally forgotten). He
>> said that disease is very hard to get, almost so hard to get that you'd
>> almost have to be *given* it. Hmmmm... Maybe I'll ask him to clarify a
>> bit. :-)
>
Frank Zappa was such a noisemaker who developed prostate cancer
ironically shortly after he announced that he was interested in
running for president. Andy Kaufman inexplicably developed lung cancer
though he didn't smoke, though he wasn't political he certainly was a
noisemaker and was stirring up waves in professional wrestling at the
time he got sick.Didn't Timothy Leary die of cancer and didn't he
develop it around the time he was coming back into the public eye?
If there's anything to this, I don't think it's a CIA 'plot'. I have a
theory that these people, including Bill, are channeling something.
There's some vast information system that they have dedicated their
lives to channeling... taking the information from it and then sending
it out into the world.
Somehow this channeling process, if continued long enough, sets up a
chain reaction at the cellular level whereby the DNA will just go
crazy and express this information flow in the form of uncontrolled
genetic replication, that is, CANCER.
So anyway, that's just my theory, I could be wrong.
-=-Phineas Narco
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was murdered or not, it is FEASIBLE that a government or other agency
would carry out such a murder.
I'm pretty sure that the fact that Bill was a 'stand-up' makes him
considerably more dangerous than, say, Noam Chomsky. He dis not fit
into the category of political agitator -people went to see him as a
comedian and perhaps came away challenging their reality. As such,
Bill's form of preaching is more insidious and effective - and more of
a threat to authority.
It's healthier, in this day and age, to be suspicious of those in
power. 'Kay? Kay.
Barney Neale
Free will is not an illusion after all. . . .
onl...@hotmail.com
okay? no. i disagree. not that the government or corporate america isn't
capable of doing something like this, but that they did do it. and i disagree
that bill hicks as a stand up comedian/philosopher/social
commentator/whatever- the- hell- you're- going- to- call- him would be
considered more *dangerous* than chomsky.
let's see... chomsky's put out how many books? he's published ferchristsake!
the message is out there million-fold because of chomsky. how many people
have heard chomsky on the radio and continue to see him speak? how many
people walked away from a bill performance being changed? how many people
have the rykodiscs and/or the bootleg video that floats around? your theory
doesn't add up in my book.
free-thinkers make only a ripple in the social fabric, and i've got news for
you, many people walked away from bill's performance being completely
offended or missing his message. hell, i've seen a number of people post here
and at the rykodisc site that didn't *really* get his message even though
they think they did. they only identified with the angst and the fury. i'll
go so far as to say that bill's message was not revolution, contrary to the
anarchists among us... but evolution.
even in life bill's following was fairly small, especially in the united
states. it didn't spread like wildfire which would have really grabbed the
people in control's attention. i doubt the government or corporate america
even blinked. they rely on the apathy of non-readers who outnumber us. that's
who they market to and who they pay attention to.
KNVB
That was precisely the whole point of Barney's post, as I read
it, that Bill Hicks WAS able to reach that vast majority of illiterate
souls that the government and corporate America treat as their
chattel. THAT is what made him more of a threat to their interests
than a comparatively "obscure" (to the ignorant masses) intellectual
like Chomsky. Further, Mr. Neal states my position on this matter
more clearly, perhaps, than I did in my original post. I was NOT
saying there that I believed, for CERTAIN, that Mr. Hicks was
murdered. I merely proposed that it was a possibility that should be
considered, and perhaps, investigated, but at the very LEAST,
discussed. Without proof, no one can say for sure. But by the same
token, no one can be sure he wasn't either. That was my point, and I
stand by it.
What is really disturbing to me, however, is the seemingly
prevalent attitude that anyone who puts forth a proposition that may
in any way be characterized as a "conspiracy theory", is immediately
discounted as "paranoid" or "delusional" in one sense or another, as
if a "conspiracy" was some sort of fantasy that could never exist.
How did this attitude develop? Have we all forgotten that when the
Viet Nam war was going on, that John Lennon, and others, were followed
around, wiretapped, and generally harassed by the powers that be for
"anti-war" sentiments, and in the case of Lennon, who clearly appealed
to a large part of American youth, assassination plans were actually
discussed?
Comments?
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makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers."
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onl...@hotmail.com
kn...@ezdial.com (KNVB) wrote:
> That was precisely the whole point of Barney's post, as I read
> it, that Bill Hicks WAS able to reach that vast majority of illiterate
> souls that the government and corporate America treat as their
> chattel.
i think you overestimate how many people bill actually reached, but it may be
a difference between his appeal in the u.s. and the u.k. i don't know where
you are, but here in the u.s. not that many people were ever turned on to
him. i do not dismiss at all his ability to turn a phrase in a manner that
would appeal to the vast majority, but he didn't actually reach the vast
majority. most of the people i engage with who know of hicks found out about
him after he died. those of us with the message can only reach so many from
this point forward, and i know of a number of people who will back me up as
an ambassador of bill's message.
>THAT is what made him more of a threat to their interests
> than a comparatively "obscure" (to the ignorant masses) intellectual
> like Chomsky.
we just disagree here. chomsky still lives. bill is dead. i would love to
think his message will grow but the fact of the matter is that as a dead
person, enlightenment will only come from those of us who remember him. bill
only reached the people who saw him perform or listened to his legacy. i just
think that chomsky has a longer shelf-life. you are completely right about
chomsky primarily reaching only the intellectual elite, and bill's ability to
appeal to all groups. unfortunately i think too many people walked away
unenlightened.
> Further, Mr. Neal states my position on this matter
> more clearly, perhaps, than I did in my original post. I was NOT
> saying there that I believed, for CERTAIN, that Mr. Hicks was
> murdered. I merely proposed that it was a possibility that should be
> considered, and perhaps, investigated, but at the very LEAST,
> discussed. Without proof, no one can say for sure. But by the same
> token, no one can be sure he wasn't either. That was my point, and I
> stand by it.
right! more power to you! and i'm just saying that while i think it's
possible and that those entities *are* capable of such things... i doubt it
happened that way. we both can make educated guesses based on the information
we have. good for us for having the sensibility to think on our own, even if
we reach differing conclusions. the topic was brought up for discussion, so i
discussed. what else or what more did you expect?
> what is really disturbing to me, however, is the seemingly
> prevalent attitude that anyone who puts forth a proposition that may
> in any way be characterized as a "conspiracy theory", is immediately
> discounted as "paranoid" or "delusional" in one sense or another, as
> if a "conspiracy" was some sort of fantasy that could never exist.
> How did this attitude develop?
trust me, i'm as delusional as they come. what disturbs me is your possible
(you wrote that ever-so-cautiously) presumption that i am attacking your
point of view. i'm just defending mine... not criticizing you for having
yours.
> Have we all forgotten that when the
> Viet Nam war was going on, that John Lennon, and others, were followed
> around, wiretapped, and generally harassed by the powers that be for
> "anti-war" sentiments, and in the case of Lennon, who clearly appealed
> to a large part of American youth, assassination plans were actually
> discussed?
Comments?
to be honest, i had never heard that. very interesting, to be sure.
KNVB
strangely disoriented, and started babbling on about something like:
>In article <35faa200...@news2.cais.com>,
> kn...@ezdial.com (KNVB) wrote:
>
>> That was precisely the whole point of Barney's post, as I read
>> it, that Bill Hicks WAS able to reach that vast majority of illiterate
>> souls that the government and corporate America treat as their
>> chattel.
>
>i think you overestimate how many people bill actually reached, but it may be
>a difference between his appeal in the u.s. and the u.k. i don't know where
>you are, but here in the u.s. not that many people were ever turned on to
>him. i do not dismiss at all his ability to turn a phrase in a manner that
>would appeal to the vast majority, but he didn't actually reach the vast
>majority. most of the people i engage with who know of hicks found out about
>him after he died. those of us with the message can only reach so many from
>this point forward, and i know of a number of people who will back me up as
>an ambassador of bill's message.
>
Again, perhaps I have failed to clearly state my point. When
I said that Bill Hicks "WAS able to reach that vast majority of
illiterate souls", I intended it to mean that he had the POTENTIAL to
do so, whether he actually did or not, and it was that very real
potential which created the threat. I do actually believe, that given
time, he very well could have made a difference, as more and more
people came to recognize the truth in much of what he was saying.
(P.S. - I am an American citizen by birth)
>>THAT is what made him more of a threat to their interests
>> than a comparatively "obscure" (to the ignorant masses) intellectual
>> like Chomsky.
>
>we just disagree here. chomsky still lives. bill is dead. i would love to
>think his message will grow but the fact of the matter is that as a dead
>person, enlightenment will only come from those of us who remember him. bill
>only reached the people who saw him perform or listened to his legacy. i just
>think that chomsky has a longer shelf-life. you are completely right about
>chomsky primarily reaching only the intellectual elite, and bill's ability to
>appeal to all groups. unfortunately i think too many people walked away
>unenlightened.
Perhaps initially, but who can say how what they heard from
him affected their thoughts as days passed, and they found time to
properly digest his material while going on about their normal
routines.
>
>> Further, Mr. Neal states my position on this matter
>> more clearly, perhaps, than I did in my original post. I was NOT
>> saying there that I believed, for CERTAIN, that Mr. Hicks was
>> murdered. I merely proposed that it was a possibility that should be
>> considered, and perhaps, investigated, but at the very LEAST,
>> discussed. Without proof, no one can say for sure. But by the same
>> token, no one can be sure he wasn't either. That was my point, and I
>> stand by it.
>
>right! more power to you! and i'm just saying that while i think it's
>possible and that those entities *are* capable of such things... i doubt it
>happened that way. we both can make educated guesses based on the information
>we have. good for us for having the sensibility to think on our own, even if
>we reach differing conclusions. the topic was brought up for discussion, so i
>discussed. what else or what more did you expect?
>
No more, and no less, really. And I do thank you for your
input.
>> what is really disturbing to me, however, is the seemingly
>> prevalent attitude that anyone who puts forth a proposition that may
>> in any way be characterized as a "conspiracy theory", is immediately
>> discounted as "paranoid" or "delusional" in one sense or another, as
>> if a "conspiracy" was some sort of fantasy that could never exist.
>> How did this attitude develop?
>
>trust me, i'm as delusional as they come. what disturbs me is your possible
>(you wrote that ever-so-cautiously) presumption that i am attacking your
>point of view. i'm just defending mine... not criticizing you for having
>yours.
No, that was not really what I had in mind. Your post merely
brought to mind a perception I have carried around for a good many
years, but seldom found the opportunity to express. Really, I took no
offense from anything you have written.
>
>> Have we all forgotten that when the
>> Viet Nam war was going on, that John Lennon, and others, were followed
>> around, wiretapped, and generally harassed by the powers that be for
>> "anti-war" sentiments, and in the case of Lennon, who clearly appealed
>> to a large part of American youth, assassination plans were actually
>> discussed?
>
>> Comments?
>
>to be honest, i had never heard that. very interesting, to be sure.
>
>only sal
>
Yes, Lennon, for one, had an FBI file big enough to choke a
horse, and was, on several occasions, the primary subject of various
meetings between certain parties of the high echelon, who were said to
have been discussing numerous creative ways to solve the "problem".
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The most dangerous, and damaging effect of any individual's
use of illegal drugs is the unreasonable prejudice held against
them by an ignorant, and gullible society at large.
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The Reverend Tim McIntire
->Yes, Lennon, for one, had an FBI file big enough to choke a
->horse, and was, on several occasions, the primary subject of various
->meetings between certain parties of the high echelon, who were said to
->have been discussing numerous creative ways to solve the "problem".
You sure they weren't just talking about Yoko?
--
The Reverend Tim McIntire
http://www.cris.com/~macadoo
ICQ: 10196267
"The devil...the prowde spirite...cannot endure to be mocked."
--Thomas More
FENATIC
but he did die. Very sadly. His truths will out, and Evolution will spark
Revolution, because the industrial oligarchy will cease no other way. The
potential value of his death to the staus quo shouldnt be underestimated. HE
WAS THAT GOOD. Chomsky is contained. Bill was on fire. As Michael Parenti
will point out, the only true conspiracy theory as they are known is the
conspiracy of innocence, such as is always maintained by those who would label
others as conspiracy theorists. In my own case, Ive been painted thusly by Geo
W Bush and Jeb Bush when I threw a bucket of blood on them on Larry King Live
the night before the 92 Republican convention. What a catharsis that was.
Scat munchers.
onl...@hotmail.com
for future reference, of course. i'm in texas. *cough* *cough*
only sal
absolutely certain there's an fbi file on me, too.
FENATIC
for future reference, of course. i'm in texas. *cough* *cough*
only sal
absolutely certain there's an fbi file on me, too.>>
It was a bucket of Iraqi blood. When they appeared on Larry King, I managed to
beat the rest of the callers and got on first with a question screened as
"something about family values." What I was able to get past Larry Kings
censorship was a clearer definition of "Family Values" that included the
coincidental convenience of presidential chillun like GW having oil drilling
contracts before the contrived conflict, and environmental cleanup contracts
afterwards. I would have liked to have mentioned Jeb's interesting
relationship with an HMO scam in Florida, but naturally was cut off. "No
(free) speeches here!" All the rest of the callers were sycophantic non
questions. I should have taped the whole show, but I was recording over good
porn just to tape my segment ; ) What a glorious election that was, to see
that FILTHY BLOOD SOAKED MANIAC FUCKING BOOTED ON HIS ASS OUT OF THE WHITE
HOUSE! Heres to Bill! (HICKS OF COURSE!)
Hazelrah55
>that FILTHY BLOOD SOAKED MANIAC FUCKING BOOTED ON HIS ASS OUT OF THE WHITE
>HOUSE! Heres to Bill! (HICKS OF COURSE!)
And now, insted of one "filthy blood soaked maniac" in office, we have a
diffrent "filthy blood soaked maniac" in office.
Here's to the perpetual ass-fucking machine that is the Amereican government.
"Land of the Free, Home of the Brave."
Tony Petrangelo
Website: http://members.aol.com/Hazelrah55
"Goodbye, Yossarian," the chaplin called. "And good luck. I'll stay here and
persevere, and we'll meet again when the fighting stops." - Joseph Heller
FENATIC
diffrent "filthy blood soaked maniac" in office.
Here's to the perpetual ass-fucking machine that is the Amereican government.
"Land of the Free, Home of the Brave.">>
Well obviously thats not just blood hes soaked in ; ) but the important thing
is, the fucked up joke that is the American electoral system punished the
motherfucker for all his efforts at deceiving and manipulating the corrupt
machine he created. Myself, I voted Nader last time. He wouldnt harm a fly,
and Clinton has no conscience. That first Bush "assassination threat" response
missile launch was the final nail in his souls coffin.
Now, in contrast to Bush's virtual beheading, we have an assassination by blow
job, fully engineered by the Republican Party. Democracy, where CAN you find
it?
The Reverend Tim McIntire
fen...@aol.com (FENATIC) wrote:
-><<And now, insted of one "filthy blood soaked maniac" in office, we have a
->diffrent "filthy blood soaked maniac" in office.
->
->Here's to the perpetual ass-fucking machine that is the Amereican government.
[some snippage]
->Now, in contrast to Bush's virtual beheading, we have an assassination by blow
->job, fully engineered by the Republican Party.
[more snippage]
I don't know which phrase I like better, "Perpetual ass-fucking machine"
or "assassination by blow job." I may not have contributed anything
meaningful to this thread, but rest assured I'm down with you boys in
spirit and giggling like a 12 year old at your verbiage.
Ray Bradley
>Well obviously thats not just blood hes soaked in ; ) but the important
thing
>is, the fucked up joke that is the American electoral system punished the
>motherfucker for all his efforts at deceiving and manipulating the corrupt
>machine he created.
OK, you've got a point there. And to think, everybody was worried about
Buddy staining the White House...
Myself, I voted Nader last time. He wouldnt harm a fly,
>and Clinton has no conscience. That first Bush "assassination threat"
response
>missile launch was the final nail in his souls coffin.
>Now, in contrast to Bush's virtual beheading, we have an assassination by
blow
>job, fully engineered by the Republican Party. Democracy, where CAN you
find
>it?
An engineered blow job? By the REPUBLICANS? Wait a minute...
First of all, the Republicans need all the oral sex they can get. What do
you think keeps Strom Thumand alive? Second, and my serious point - it's a
political suicide by blow job. I don't remember testimony of Monica Lewinsky
saying anything about JC Watts and Newt Gingrich hog-tying Bubba so she
could blow him. It was Bill's sex drive/power/urge/need for companionship
that made him drop trou, not any Republican mastermind.
the man is obviously in a loveless marriage, and to a degree, I actually
feel sorry for the pud. But, forget he is the president for one minute. He's
still a 50 year old married man with a hell of an education who should know
better than to get involved with a woman young enough to be his daughter.
And, I'm going to go off on a tangent-I'm so sick of hearing people gripe
about "Starr spent $40 million dollars, blahblahblah...." His orginal probe
was into the Whitewater deal, true. However, that probe was expanded by
Attorney General Janet Reno (from the lovely enuch that brought us Waco) and
given the blessing of the Department of Justice, to look into Clinton's
possible sexual harassment of Paula Jones. Lewinsky's name came up when
Starr tried to establish a background of Clinton's extramartial affairs. he
mucked into the President's personal life because that's what a good
prosecuting attorney in a sexual harassment case does. If he failed to
establish Clinton's sexual background, he'd have failed Law 101. It's not
Starr's fault we know more about Clinton's penis than Hillary ever dreamed.
If Bubba just kept his fly up, Lewinsky would just be another fat broad
behind the counter of a Starbucks, shilling out cafe lattes and munching
down scones.
Man, can you imagine what Hicks would say about all this?
"I've been compared to Clinton, except without the Secret Service and the
pussy."
"Fortunately, Satan's penis has many heads. Here comes Bill Clinton, wanting
to do a 69!"
"Oh, Monica, I'll buy you a dog; please blow me!"
"What about Clinton? Is there any hope in Clinton? there ain't no hope in
Clinton." (oh, whoops, he actually did say that...)
Sorry to go off-topic, Sudafed and sinus infections do that to me :)
Ray
Frank Parratt
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o.k. I'll see you there.
Frank
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>o.k. I'll see you there.
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What are you havin' then?
Cheese and onion?