U of I steam tunnels - lets talk.
nasenbeny paul k
greetings.
well, seeing how you "suppossedly" can get booted out
of the U of illinois for even going down there, i
heard this from a friend (wink).
he went down into the tunnels when he found one of those
heavy cement lids had cracked/broken and, i guess,
maitenance had covered it with a large, but light, piece
of plywood. this was right outside of Gregory hall - wright
street side about last year. but they (maitence) has
since replaced the cement cover.
but, down there he and a friend had the coolest time, and
it seemed that so had a lot of other people considering
the amount of graffiti. so he was wondering if others
on this campus have secret ways in that they might mail
me about so i can tell my friend. (he doesnt have an account)
or perhaps we can just share a little lore. or whereupons
in the system youve been?
until.
Theodore J. Francis
Heh.
A "friend" likewise told me about nifty times and sights in the
stunnels at the UofI.
Sadly, his enterance on the main Quad has since been discovered by
Those That Like To Deny That the Stunnels Exist At All and fixed.
Unless you are good at committing felonies (like breaking and
entering/tresspassing on state property) stunneling is largely
a matter of luck in fighting a good entrance. Needless to say,
even entering through a low-risk method (like yours in the
original post) is not legal or liked.
But hey, my friend sez that makes it all the more fun. And he
went from the north end of the Quad to the Assembly Hall parking
lot (mebbe a couple miles for the millions of non-UI folks out there)
without seeing the light of night except through the magic mushrooms.
Enjoy your spelunking.
theo
Tim of Florida
> heavy cement lids had cracked/broken and, i guess,
> of plywood. this was right outside of Gregory hall - wright
I remember this. Snow on the ground, and no lid at all. Probably
the pre-plywood days.
But on to business. I'm not comfortable posting general information to
a newsgroup. It's not that I'm afraid that I'm gonna get nailed, but rather
that I'm afraid that word will get out to more people than we want. Consider
this : what if they published "5 Easy Entrances & 5 Tips For Exploring" in the
Onion? Then everybody would abuse these entrances and the tunnels would be
full on weekends. Being a huge insurance risk, this would have to be stopped.
I hate to write long letters, but perhaps we need to write out a FAQ
early on.
There are people who deserve to be in. These are the people who want
it bad enough to find ways in. THIS IS HALF THE FUN.
The other thing I have to say is about bragging to friends. Okay,
you're friends will think you're cool, or maybe you can make some girl giggle.
But people are gonna ask about it (and want facts) or they'll think you're
lying. And you'll tell. And they'll tell.
Here's what I'm interested in: We can make detailed maps. There are
enough of us that this will not be too much work. Plus we can share tips and
anecdotes. Or we could even meet in there.
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Rafal Boni
[...]
> Here's what I'm interested in: We can make detailed maps. There are
>enough of us that this will not be too much work. Plus we can share tips and
>anecdotes. Or we could even meet in there.
I do believe that a friend of mine got some rough but semi-official
maps of the tunnels, but I cannot remember how [I think he might have
bouth an O+M guy some coffee and a donut]. I also know of someone that
actually make maps while down there, and these I have seen with mine
own eyes... Send me some mail and I can talk to you, but I will not
say more here...
PS: I wonder if the mailbox is still down there.... Anyone been there lately
and know?? [Remeber this is the UofI tunnels, and I won't say what and how I
know about a mailbox, other than the fact that a groups of stunnelers left it
down there to see if anyone would write them]
>--
> Remember, kids, 90% of
> archaeology is done in Tim Dellinger
> the library. tdel...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu
--rafal
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Theodore J. Francis
I like the idea of having some guidelines, like--don't tell how to get
in.
The point is that you have to _find_ a way, and take some (many? big?)
risks to get in...
...then you still have to find your way around, and out. There's still
a lot of locked doors in the UI stunnels, I'm told, and then there's
the alarms...
Let's be careful with the maps and so on; I'm no lawyer (or even a
pre-law hopeful), but the word "conspiracy" in its legal sense springs
to mind ominously fast...
theo "oh yeah, and only our friends have _actually_ been down there..."
francis
Paul R Lester
Stenciled & chalked graffitti from such illustrious groups as 'Stanley
and Livingston' (nice pith helmet logo) and the 'Shithead expidition'.
So has anyone seen any of the 'Wembley-Boober-Gobo Expedition '89' stencils?
Just curious...
anderson mark david
> Here's what I'm interested in: We can make detailed maps. There are
>enough of us that this will not be too much work. Plus we can share tips and
>anecdotes. Or we could even meet in there.
Here's what I'm wondering: are the new North of Green stunnels connected
to the odler network yet? Cause if they are (I would assume they are,
but they may be on a whole separate network for the North Quad project)
it would be fairly simple to enter, as they are still under construction.
Just wondering.
Mark
Theodore J. Francis
And, of course, the alleged "Two dead, seven remain. Need food. Need water"
graffiti...
Some good stuff down in the UofI stunnels, I'm told...
snicker.
theo
Theodore J. Francis
>Mark
I suspect they aren't connected to the main Quad/south quad network if the
buildings get their heat from the baby-abbott plant by Beckboy. I _think_
(and am not really sure, tho) that the little plant there is self-sufficient,
although it might itself be connected to Abbot...but chances are the new
buildings are not hooked into the main stunnels (of which, of course,
there are several networks, some of which connect--or so one stunneler tells
me).
I know _some_ buildings north of Green--and even one north of Springfield--
are connected or were once connected to the main system. Some are walled off
now, though.
theo
Rafal Boni
>mand...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (anderson mark david) writes:
[...]
>>Here's what I'm wondering: are the new North of Green stunnels connected
>>to the odler network yet? Cause if they are (I would assume they are,
>>but they may be on a whole separate network for the North Quad project)
>>it would be fairly simple to enter, as they are still under construction.
>>Just wondering.
>>Mark
>I suspect they aren't connected to the main Quad/south quad network if the
>buildings get their heat from the baby-abbott plant by Beckboy. I _think_
>(and am not really sure, tho) that the little plant there is self-sufficient,
>although it might itself be connected to Abbot...but chances are the new
>buildings are not hooked into the main stunnels (of which, of course,
>there are several networks, some of which connect--or so one stunneler tells
>me).
>I know _some_ buildings north of Green--and even one north of Springfield--
>are connected or were once connected to the main system. Some are walled off
>now, though.
>theo
Lore says that to get to the soutch network from North of Green, one
must crawl over the Boneyard, in those little cement tubes that they
call bridges... It's rather tight in there if Lore is right...
Of course, that means that stuff immediately north of Green would
probably be accessible...
Don't ask me... Never been there, but do have some friends who did try
to get north, and without too much luck [I guess they could be the
source of my Boneyard speculations, if you like].
--rafal
Tim of Florida
>Here's what I'm wondering: are the new North of Green stunnels connected
>to the odler network yet? Cause if they are (I would assume they are,
I talked to someone who went in thru contstruction sites, and (s)he
said that (s)he was not able to get south, and that they were not connected
as far as (s)he could tell, and that the experience was mildly amusing at best.
Bryan Siegfried
> Lore says that to get to the soutch network from North of Green, one
> must crawl over the Boneyard, in those little cement tubes that they
> call bridges... It's rather tight in there if Lore is right...
You can do this through the bridge at Loomis, but the
tunnel doesn't go very far north of the bridge after you've crawled
through it... Tunnels north of Green must generally be connected
to another tunnels system. Maybe connected to the little physical
plant mentioned before.
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Solvet saeclum in favilla
Bryan Siegfried
>>Here's what I'm wondering: are the new North of Green stunnels connected
>>to the odler network yet? Cause if they are (I would assume they are,
> I talked to someone who went in thru contstruction sites, and (s)he
>said that (s)he was not able to get south, and that they were not connected
>as far as (s)he could tell, and that the experience was mildly amusing at best.
I haven't actually been down there, but from watching the
construction, I would say that Granger is connected to the old system.
However, the pipes cross the boneyard through a very narrow passage.
I doubt that anyone could crawl through it.
...green spleen...
>And, of course, the alleged "Two dead, seven remain. Need food. Need water"
>graffiti...
>Some good stuff down in the UofI stunnels, I'm told...
>snicker.
I've heard of two pieces of work down there. They are perhaps the graffiti
with the oldest dates - 1956 & 1957
/lw
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Piotr Misztal
I understand but I am a person that would like to go down there and would like to know an enterence. I would like to have a tour of the tunnels. You should hold an undercover meeting somwhere. I'm getting ahead of myself. could you reply with an enerence and/or other info.
pmis...@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu
...green spleen...
>mand...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (anderson mark david) writes:
>>tdel...@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Tim of Florida) writes:
>>> Here's what I'm interested in: We can make detailed maps. There are
>>>enough of us that this will not be too much work. Plus we can share tips and
>>>anecdotes. Or we could even meet in there.
The problem with meeting in there is that you'd hafta agree on some kinda
'code' to recognize each other from farther away.
Detailed maps? I might now where I can get my hands on a very detailed one...
>>Here's what I'm wondering: are the new North of Green stunnels connected
>>to the odler network yet? Cause if they are (I would assume they are,
>>but they may be on a whole separate network for the North Quad project)
>>it would be fairly simple to enter, as they are still under construction.
>>Just wondering.
>I know _some_ buildings north of Green--and even one north of Springfield--
>are connected or were once connected to the main system. Some are walled off
>now, though.
True. If you looked at the ones they put in during construction of Grainger,
you'd see there was one coming off of the tunnel coming from the Quad. The
new one ran around front of engineering hall and then north to the Boneyard.
At that point, pipes ran over the creek and into new tunnels that went to
Grainger. At least one other area north of the creek is accessible from
underground...it goes on for a bit and ends in a brick wall.
>theo
...green spleen...
> I talked to someone who went in thru contstruction sites, and (s)he
>said that (s)he was not able to get south, and that they were not connected
>as far as (s)he could tell, and that the experience was mildly amusing at best.
They shoulda tried going north over the creek from Loomis. Lore has it that
it is a very tight fit - one has to crawl over pipes for a bit - but I talked
to some foolish souls that made it over only to find a cement wall
aroundabouts Goodwin and Springfield. This was about 4 semesters or so ago, tho.
...green spleen...
> But on to business. I'm not comfortable posting general information to
>a newsgroup. It's not that I'm afraid that I'm gonna get nailed, but rather
>that I'm afraid that word will get out to more people than we want. Consider
>this : what if they published "5 Easy Entrances & 5 Tips For Exploring" in the
>Onion? Then everybody would abuse these entrances and the tunnels would be
>full on weekends. Being a huge insurance risk, this would have to be stopped.
I've wrestled with this issue, too, before posting. I really dislike having
tunneling put in the limelight by the more well-read UofI media rags. It
makes stupid people wanna go down there and do stupid things. This spoils it
for those who just wanna explore...
> There are people who deserve to be in. These are the people who want
>it bad enough to find ways in. THIS IS HALF THE FUN.
I'd hafta agree with you...
Jim Browne
>>I know _some_ buildings north of Green--and even one north of Springfield--
>>are connected or were once connected to the main system. Some are walled off
>>now, though.
>True. If you looked at the ones they put in during construction of Grainger,
>you'd see there was one coming off of the tunnel coming from the Quad. The
>new one ran around front of engineering hall and then north to the Boneyard.
>At that point, pipes ran over the creek and into new tunnels that went to
>Grainger. At least one other area north of the creek is accessible from
>underground...it goes on for a bit and ends in a brick wall.
The north of Green system is not as interesting as it once was. The tunnel
that used to run directly adjacent to EERL up from Eng. Hall and under
the old Woodshop to Springfield is gone. (It's a good thing, too. There was
an old sidewalk on top of it that ran along EERL and was falling apart. You
could almost fall into the steam tunnel next to where it crossed the
Boneyard.)
That tunnel has been replaced by the aformentioned tunnel starting to the
SE of Eng Hall, running along the S side of Eng Hall and up Burill Ave to
just W of Grainger. There is a branch that runs E along the S side of Grainger
to match up with where the old EERL tunnel hit a tunnel that went E and ran
along the S side of the parking lot at Springfield and Goodwin.
The tunnels north of Springfield are boring. Some are passable (but small!)
and others could only be traversed by a mouse (or other <3 inch tall creature).
All of this information can be gleaned by watching the construction and by
watching where the snow first melts around Beckman. I've, of course, never
been down there.
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Andrew Trapp
>tjf4...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Theodore J. Francis) writes:
>>And, of course, the alleged "Two dead, seven remain. Need food. Need water"
>>graffiti...
Heh heh!
>>Some good stuff down in the UofI stunnels, I'm told...
>>snicker.
>
>I've heard of two pieces of work down there. They are perhaps the graffiti
>with the oldest dates - 1956 & 1957
A friend of mine and a friend of his ;-) went down into the basement of
Daniels res. hall on Green St. one summer break. At the north end is a
small door about 2'x2' and about 3-4' off the ground. Beyond that is a
passage stretching all the way to the south end of the building--a long
way considering that they had to crawl on all fours the whole distance.
He tells me it's VERY cave-like down there--dark, cool, damp but not wet,
and oh yes, a dirt floor. He also tells me that they found some old
beer cans down there. Remember pull-tabs? Well these were before those
and required a can opener to open. There were also supposedly some
newspapers dating from the 60's and some broken glass here & there. It
was also a bit of a challenge because there were a lot of pipes--so he
sez. :-) I for one would hope that anyone exploring down there would
LEAVE the artifacts there for future generations, and resist the temp-
tation to bring back a souvenir. I mean, let's show a little respect, eh?
This same friend and some other friends of his have done some mild stunnel
exploring. Rumor has it one may be able to gain partial access through
Chem Annex. This friend of mine is really into computers and had a ball
marvelling at the dinosaurs down there--huge lugs with 8" floppy drives!
Would anyone here at UIUC be interested in forming a stunneling email list?
It would allow a bit more privacy to discuss openly and conspire some field
expeditions, as well as keeping the subject local.
--
Andrew Trapp dre...@uiuc.edu
Politicians are like diapers -- they should be changed often, and for
the same reason.
...green spleen...
>sez. :-) I for one would hope that anyone exploring down there would
>LEAVE the artifacts there for future generations, and resist the temp-
>tation to bring back a souvenir. I mean, let's show a little respect, eh?
Amen.
>This same friend and some other friends of his have done some mild stunnel
>exploring. Rumor has it one may be able to gain partial access through
>Chem Annex. This friend of mine is really into computers and had a ball
>marvelling at the dinosaurs down there--huge lugs with 8" floppy drives!
The small brick-arch tunnel that branches from the Quad loop and goes through
Noyes and Davenport has been sealed off in that room in Noyes (the one that
has "Steam Tunnel" written on the door) I know this because some idiots (I
presume they were idiots TACTLESSLY searching for a way in) kicked in one
portion of the door so as to easily unlock it.
>Would anyone here at UIUC be interested in forming a stunneling email list?
>It would allow a bit more privacy to discuss openly and conspire some field
>expeditions, as well as keeping the subject local.
Yes, I would definitely go in on such a deal. Of course, to be legal here,
it should be a list of folks "who are interested in discussing various
aspects of the UIUC stunnels." not necessarily restricted to just tunnel
rats. }:)
Ken Schalk
>>Would anyone here at UIUC be interested in forming a stunneling email list?
>>It would allow a bit more privacy to discuss openly and conspire some field
>>expeditions, as well as keeping the subject local.
>Yes, I would definitely go in on such a deal. Of course, to be legal here,
>it should be a list of folks "who are interested in discussing various
>aspects of the UIUC stunnels." not necessarily restricted to just tunnel
>rats. }:)
Umm, just a suggestion here. If you're really going to do anything
like this, you should probably look into some form of message
encryption, i.e. PGP. E-mail feels more private than a newsgroup, but
in reality is only marginally harder to tap into, should someone be
seriously motivated to do so.
Standard disclaimer: Of course, I know nothing about the tunnels and
know noone who has been down in them.
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Todd Markle
>...green spleen... <trd5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>>>I know _some_ buildings north of Green--and even one north of Springfield--
>>>are connected or were once connected to the main system. Some are walled off
>>>now, though.
>The tunnels north of Springfield are boring. Some are passable (but
small!) and others could only be traversed by a mouse (or other 3
inch tall creature).
>All of this information can be gleaned by watching the construction and by
>watching where the snow first melts around Beckman. I've, of course, never
>been down there.
I watched contruction of some of that system in 1990. Looked as if old
building like Ceramics, north of the Boneyard were being disconnected
from the old system and connected to the new.
(Sidenote, since most everyone here is interested in old things:
Ceramics itself is a real museum piece. I imagine it will be torn down
before long. It's well worth touring.)
The new tunnel I saw crossed Gregory in front of MRL. The passage
itself didn't look accessable from any building. Too small. Instead, a
distribution house was build under the street. It's accessed by a
manhold.
A fully-accessable tunnel system must be hidiously expensive in today's
dollars!
Did the old CSO string any cables through the tunnels? If so, a map of
the internet might give clues. They're posted at a lot of public sites.
Daniel R. Juliano
[....]
>Did the old CSO string any cables through the tunnels? If so, a map of
>the internet might give clues. They're posted at a lot of public sites.
The plans for the tunnels must be available somewhere. Aren't the
blueprints for public buildings (and presumably other construction
projects) available at the County Recorder office or something?
--
Daniel Juliano
drj2...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Sinbad
>The plans for the tunnels must be available somewhere. Aren't the
>blueprints for public buildings (and presumably other construction
>projects) available at the County Recorder office or something?
>--
>Daniel Juliano
>drj2...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Yep, they sure are. I remember reading in the Dee-Eye (Daily Illini to the non
Shampoo-Bananers) last semester about how all the plans for the tunnels were
"available" from the University Police. Good luck getting them. Other
construction projects you can get the "dirt" on. I'd suppose that you could
figure out where the steam tunnels are from the bluprints and then extrapolate
from that. Although I know that the tunnels do zig-zag quite a bit.
Gee now that I think of it, maybe that article about stunneling was in the
Technograph (campus engineering magazine). Man, just look at what looking
at rocks will do to you!
Happy tunneling,
Mike S. Nash ---The Brain-Dead Geologist
msn5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Steve Peltz
Todd Markle <tma...@s.psych.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>Did the old CSO string any cables through the tunnels? If so, a map of
>the internet might give clues. They're posted at a lot of public sites.
Yes, there were at least Sytek lines down there.
I for one am not afraid to admit that I have been in the steam tunnels. I
haven't been down since they started locking doors, putting in key switches
for the lights, and such, and it's been so long that I don't remember the
names of the various groups that left grafitti.
It definitely used to be a lot easier to gain access. The entrance by
Loomis was a favorite, since it was shielded by bushes. The one on
Mathews near the Union was loads of fun to come OUT of, since there were
usually a fair number of people around. It was also fairly easy to unlock
the one a little nearer the quad without being seen. I'm pretty sure all
of these are no longer as accessible, so I don't think I'm giving away
any major secrets.
My favorite areas were in the older tunnel section around the Union, plus
a few places where tunnels intersected, one going under the other. I've
always liked mazes, particularly 3-dimensional mazes, and that was the
closest I've come to it.
A couple of us were going to make accurate maps, my intention being to
create a realistic walk-through simulation, but we never got beyond a
rough sketch of the areas we knew. I may even have them somewhere, buried
under piles of old printouts.
Necromancer
>dre...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew Trapp) writes:
>>Would anyone here at UIUC be interested in forming a stunneling email list?
>>It would allow a bit more privacy to discuss openly and conspire some field
>>expeditions, as well as keeping the subject local.
>Yes, I would definitely go in on such a deal. Of course, to be legal here,
>it should be a list of folks "who are interested in discussing various
>aspects of the UIUC stunnels." not necessarily restricted to just tunnel
>rats. }:)
Of course. ;) When you start that list, put me down on it.
>/lw
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Charley Kline
> Did the old CSO string any cables through the tunnels? If so, a map of
> the internet might give clues. They're posted at a lot of public sites.
No, we string our cables through tiny tiny conduit buried in concrete
forms. All of that was laid in 1985-1986 when the new phone system was
installed.
There is some old broadband crap in the tunnels, but that's getting pretty
deprecated and isn't part of our network in any event.
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Erik A Schuchmann
yada..)
It's been a while since my distant friend has been down there, but he
said it was neato kean....specifically, did anyone see Harker hall from
'down there' during the construction? there was an entrance from the
tunnels into the building while they were gutting it. They ripped out
all the floors, but left the shell of the building, so one came out
from the tunnels, onto a dirt floor, and could see the cieling four
stories up...pretty neat...Speaking of building entrances (and perhaps
more illegality enters here with trespassing,) what buildings have
people's acquaintances been in via tunnels?....
I heard rumors over the summer of a police 'sting' operation down there
due to a breakin at Follenger...Could be just talk though...
Also, does anyone know about 'The secret level II'? (think on the way
to loomis from the Union...
shlater
erik
Justin Gallivan
>(Standard disclaimers involving nonparticipation in stunneling...yada yada
>yada..)
Ditto!
>It's been a while since my distant friend has been down there, but he
>said it was neato kean....specifically, did anyone see Harker hall from
>'down there' during the construction? there was an entrance from the
>tunnels into the building while they were gutting it. They ripped out
>all the floors, but left the shell of the building, so one came out
>from the tunnels, onto a dirt floor, and could see the cieling four
>stories up...pretty neat...Speaking of building entrances (and perhaps
>more illegality enters here with trespassing,) what buildings have
>people's acquaintances been in via tunnels?....
I have a friend who had to spend an evening in the library as he tunneled
in through a door that locked behind him, locking him into an area
in the basement in the main library. All other exits were apparently
locked. Oops.
>I heard rumors over the summer of a police 'sting' operation down there
>due to a breakin at Follenger...Could be just talk though...
>Also, does anyone know about 'The secret level II'? (think on the way
>to loomis from the Union...
>shlater
>erik
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Theodore J. Francis
>shlater
>erik
What buildings...Heard of a friend getting into the Admin building and
finding file-cabinet after file-cabinet full of ancient (pre-1940s, I think)
student files. Kinda doubt some parts of this guys tale, but hey...
The Assembly Hall, my stunnel sources say, is pretty much not accessible
unless perhaps from Abbott Power Plant itself, but I don't know for certain.
Otherwise, Davenport, Foellinger, FLB, Chem, Union, some unremembered eng-
ineering buildings.
A friend who used to (still does? who knows) stunnel extensively (to the point
of getting through those durn locked doors) has regaled me with detailed
accounts of what might be the "secret level II" stunnels...'least, there
seems to be at least two layers/sets of stunnels which for the most part
don't connect with eachother and predate the mini-abbott/north-of-the-bone-
yard expansion craze...There are, of course, a few treasured connection points.
What's really fun is to pop out of the stunnels (or just call eerily from the
magic mushrooms) near the various dorms and scare the bejeesus outta freshmen.
Ah, but I'm getting old.
Theo "not a lifelong resident for much longer--honest!" Francis
Steve Norton
>I for one am not afraid to admit that I have been in the steam tunnels. I
>haven't been down since they started locking doors, putting in key switches
>for the lights, and such, and it's been so long that I don't remember the
>names of the various groups that left grafitti.
DIG DUG! That guy must have crawled over every corner of the steam
tunnels.
>My favorite areas were in the older tunnel section around the Union, plus
>a few places where tunnels intersected, one going under the other. I've
I remember there is a small entrace just East of the Union, just a square
steel manhole type (not a vented box like all of the others).
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The Wanderer
>es9...@eehpx18.cen.uiuc.edu (Erik A Schuchmann) writes:
>I have a friend who had to spend an evening in the library as he tunneled
>in through a door that locked behind him, locking him into an area
>in the basement in the main library. All other exits were apparently
>locked. Oops.
I've had some friends who were able to get into the main library. They
discovered after they got in that the main library is locked with dead bolts
at nite and isn't opened till morning. The only way to get out is to call
Campus Police and get them to open the doors. The custodians I presume are
also locked in till morning. My friends were only trapped in there for
a little over an hour till they were able to avoid custodians and re-enter
the tunnels.
Steve
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>I have a friend who had to spend an evening in the library as he tunneled
>in through a door that locked behind him, locking him into an area
>in the basement in the main library. All other exits were apparently
>locked. Oops.
Oops is right. If you do go down there, stay away from the library. You do
not want to enter the library. Trust me, don't enter the library. You don't
think they'd leave the entrance to the library un-booby trapped?
(I have never been to the library entrance. However my 'mentors' did, and had
an, uh, interesting experience.)
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The Main Library is deadbolted
>at nite and isn't opened till morning. The only way to get out is to call
>Campus Police and get them to open the doors. The custodians I presume are
>also locked in till morning.
-=-=-=-=-=-
The custodians/janitors/building service workers have keys. They are not
supposed to unlock doors for people, however.
Chris Anderson
University of Illinois Commerce Library
Helen, The Ill-Tempered Ticket Lady
>The plans for the tunnels must be available somewhere. Aren't the
>blueprints for public buildings (and presumably other construction
>projects) available at the County Recorder office or something?
They exist, but they're kept under lock and key by the people at Abbott
as well as the Campus Police. People who need access to said plans need
clearance from both to use them. (Source: last Fall semester edition
of the Technograph.)
Besides, making your own maps would be another part of the fun.
Sidenote: Any theories on the feasibility of radio communications
within the tunnel system?
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>gall...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu (Justin Gallivan) writes:
>>es9...@eehpx18.cen.uiuc.edu (Erik A Schuchmann) writes:
>>I have a friend who had to spend an evening in the library as he tunneled
>>in through a door that locked behind him, locking him into an area
>>in the basement in the main library. All other exits were apparently
>>locked. Oops.
>I've had some friends who were able to get into the main library. They
>discovered after they got in that the main library is locked with dead bolts
>at nite and isn't opened till morning. The only way to get out is to call
>Campus Police and get them to open the doors. The custodians I presume are
>also locked in till morning. My friends were only trapped in there for
>a little over an hour till they were able to avoid custodians and re-enter
>the tunnels.
Just a pointer... to avoid the above: Duct tape, duct tape, duct tape. Works
wonders in keeping all sorts of locks "open" for a bit while you travel
beyond the doors they are attached to.
>Steve
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David Mitchell
mand...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu writes:
> Here's what I'm wondering: are the new North of Green stunnels
connected
> to the odler network yet? Cause if they are (I would assume they are,
> but they may be on a whole separate network for the North Quad project)
> it would be fairly simple to enter, as they are still under
construction.
> Just wondering.
>
My impression from watching the Engineering tunnels being built is
that they are half-height, making travel difficult. I don't know why
they are being built this way; perhaps to discourage tunneling. I have
heard that the old tunnels north of Green are wet, dirty, and have rats,
making them somewhat unattractive to travel in. I don't know, I havn't
been there (I'm not that thin ;-)>
-David
Maurice J. McNulty
>(Standard disclaimers involving nonparticipation in stunneling...yada yada
>.Speaking of building entrances (and perhaps
>more illegality enters here with trespassing,) what buildings have
>people's acquaintances been in via tunnels?....
>erik
A friend of mine once somehow came out under the stage in Smith Recital
Hall (Matthews and Nevada). Also he came out into Gregory Hall, bought a Coke
from a machine, and returned.
Anyone interested in viewing tunnel construction (or being repaired), look into
the hole in the street at Goodwin and Oregon. I immagine that this is a new
tunnel for the new Chemical and Life Science building (under construction).
There is a cement platform about 3 or 4 feet below street level with a circle
in the middle (access door, i guess). From what I can tell, the new building
will have tunnell access from the southeast corner.
Maurice McNulty
Maurice J. McNulty
of DCL. The sidewalk east of DCL is removable. Each section (about 4'x4') is
seperate, not connected. Under the sidwwalk is a cement tunnel, about 4' deep.
Is this connected to the tunnel system? There were a few cables running through
this tunnel, no steam pipes of any sort though.
Maurice McNulty
Tom Oakley
(Theodore J. Francis) wrote:
>
> What buildings...Heard of a friend getting into the Admin building and
> finding file-cabinet after file-cabinet full of ancient (pre-1940s, I think)
> student files. Kinda doubt some parts of this guys tale, but hey...
>
Do not doubt. I was too nervous at that particular instant (tresspassing
into a building instead of just the stunnels) to go browsing through too
many files and remember dates. It's there and accessible though.
Tom Oakley
toa...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Helen, The Ill-Tempered Ticket Lady
>to the odler network yet? Cause if they are (I would assume they are,
>but they may be on a whole separate network for the North Quad project)
>it would be fairly simple to enter, as they are still under construction.
>Just wondering.
I'm going out on a limb, I think, by saying this, but here goes...
(Hoping the University doesn't feel like driving up to the north suburbs
to take it out on my hide...)
Hypothetically speaking, it would have been possible for a couple of friends
and I to have journeyed Down Under Down Under (Actually, the tunnels don't
run _under_ the Union, but around it, but I digress...) and have wondered
if it were possible to journey North of Green. We would have been aware of
a normal-sized tunnel running under Green St. in line with the Fire
Department's driveway, having seen it exposed during the Engineering Hall
tunnel construction project. It was, however, filled with pipes. We
would have investigated this some time back, and we would have found that
it was physically possible to crouch on top of the pipes and crawl
across Green, but it would have been _very_ hot and one would have had to
be _very_ careful of bare spots in the insulation, or wear thick gloves.
Indeed, two of us would have been overdressed, considering what the
temperature outside was like that evening, and we would have decided that
the third person should scout ahead to see if it was worth trying. Said
third person would have gone across, and found that there _were_ tunnels
to look into, but we wouldn't have felt we had the energy for all three
of us to continue. Thus, we would have recalled the scout (an act that
would have required one of us to crawl halfway across the street ANYWAY,
since the tunnels, at long distance, would not pass sound above 300 Hz
intelligently. Radio communications would have been a prudent thought...)
Hypothetically speaking, of course.
However, from what I saw from upper-floor windows at Everitt, there
wouldn't be much to see in that North tunnel network. It doesn't go
very far before it narrows to impassable dimensions.
Anyone run into any grues down there? Anyone get pictures? :-)
Jason Hoos
>...green spleen... <trd5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
>>dre...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew Trapp) writes:
>>>Would anyone here at UIUC be interested in forming a stunneling email list?
>>>It would allow a bit more privacy to discuss openly and conspire some field
>>>expeditions, as well as keeping the subject local.
>>Yes, I would definitely go in on such a deal. Of course, to be legal here,
>>it should be a list of folks "who are interested in discussing various
>>aspects of the UIUC stunnels." not necessarily restricted to just tunnel
>>rats. }:)
>Of course. ;) When you start that list, put me down on it.
If you start a list, let me know too, I'd definitely be interested in that...
I also agree with whoever said that using PGP on the list might not be
a bad idea, but maybe I'm just overly paranoid :)
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>>>Yes, I would definitely go in on such a deal. Of course, to be legal here,
>>>it should be a list of folks "who are interested in discussing various
>>>aspects of the UIUC stunnels." not necessarily restricted to just tunnel
>>>rats. }:)
>If you start a list, let me know too, I'd definitely be interested in that...
>I also agree with whoever said that using PGP on the list might not be
>a bad idea, but maybe I'm just overly paranoid :)
Yes, I too would be interested (I'm not POSITIVE why, I just
think I would be). And PGP would also be helpful...
How much mail do you think this thing would actually generate,
anyway?
- Tim Skirvin
David Mitchell
tski...@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu writes:
> >If you start a list, let me know too, I'd definitely be interested in
that...
> >I also agree with whoever said that using PGP on the list might not be
> >a bad idea, but maybe I'm just overly paranoid :)
>
> Yes, I too would be interested (I'm not POSITIVE why, I just
> think I would be). And PGP would also be helpful...
Ya know, if you guys are going to be that paranoid, it might just be
easiest to meet in person somewhere (The Goodwin to Lincoln, on Green
tunnel is pretty roomy ;-) I mean, it's not like people on the list are
that far away. Remember, we do live in the same town.
-David Mitchell
Andrew Trapp
>Ya know, if you guys are going to be that paranoid, it might just be
>easiest to meet in person somewhere (The Goodwin to Lincoln, on Green
>tunnel is pretty roomy ;-) I mean, it's not like people on the list are
>that far away. Remember, we do live in the same town.
Meet in person? Good idea! Let's start an email list to arrange a
meeting! :-)
Anyways, to those who have so far expressed an interest, I'll be mailing
y'all today or tomorrow (probably) to discuss the issue. Does anyone
know how to email to a list of addresses contained in a file? Maybe
something like: "cat file.names | mail" ?
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> dre...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew Trapp) writes:
>>LEAVE the artifacts there for future generations, and resist the temp-
>>tation to bring back a souvenir. I mean, let's show a little respect, eh?
>
> Amen.
YEA, THATS COOL..
>
>>This same friend and some other friends of his have done some mild stunnel
>>exploring. Rumor has it one may be able to gain partial access through
>>Chem Annex. This friend of mine is really into computers and had a ball
>>marvelling at the dinosaurs down there--huge lugs with 8" floppy drives!
>
> The small brick-arch tunnel that branches from the Quad loop and goes through
> Noyes and Davenport has been sealed off in that room in Noyes (the one that
> has "Steam Tunnel" written on the door) I know this because some idiots (I
> presume they were idiots TACTLESSLY searching for a way in) kicked in one
> portion of the door so as to easily unlock it.
>
SOME PEOPLE!
>>Would anyone here at UIUC be interested in forming a stunneling email list?
>>It would allow a bit more privacy to discuss openly and conspire some field
>>expeditions, as well as keeping the subject local.
NO-WAY DON'T DO THAT!!!! I'M ENJOYING READING OF YOUR ADVENTURES.
>
> Yes, I would definitely go in on such a deal. Of course, to be legal here,
> it should be a list of folks "who are interested in discussing various
> aspects of the UIUC stunnels." not necessarily restricted to just tunnel
> rats. }:
Fermi Tunnel Rat.
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Jason Hoos
>-David Mitchell
What, and do something that doesn't involve the net? I didn't know
people still did that nowadays... :)
...green spleen...
>Sidenote: Any theories on the feasibility of radio communications
>within the tunnel system?
Well, with all the hissing and clinking and clanking, you would hafta talk
kinda loudly. Seeing as how, to Tunnel Rats (tm) anyway, anything above
soft whispering and rhythmic foot stomping is anathema...it would just not
be The Right Thing To Do. }:)
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...green spleen...
>David Mitchell <mitc...@ncsa.uiuc.edu> writes:
>>Ya know, if you guys are going to be that paranoid, it might just be
>>easiest to meet in person somewhere (The Goodwin to Lincoln, on Green
>>tunnel is pretty roomy ;-) I mean, it's not like people on the list are
>>that far away. Remember, we do live in the same town.
>Meet in person? Good idea! Let's start an email list to arrange a
>meeting! :-)
I really hope y'all mean meet somewhere's above ground. Meeting down there
would be silly...not to mention logistically icky (you really want to
have a large group in the tunnel at one time...talking????) Not to mention
also that the Goodwin-Lincoln along Green is a dead end. Watcha tryin' to
do...set people up? }:)
Helen, The Ill-Tempered Ticket Lady
>> Yes, I would definitely go in on such a deal. Of course, to be legal here,
>> it should be a list of folks "who are interested in discussing various
>> aspects of the UIUC stunnels." not necessarily restricted to just tunnel
>> rats. }:
>Fermi Tunnel Rat.
You like to live dangerously, don't you? Wouldn't mucking about Fermi's
tunnels constitute a _federal_ crime? Icky stuff. I wouldn't go
crawling about the tunnels out here at Argonne. (Never mind that the
network is rather small... just the 200 area.) Besides, then I might
end up exposed to the mutagen that produced the Infamous Argonne Radioactive
Deer (tm)!
Helen, The Ill-Tempered Ticket Lady
>Ya know, if you guys are going to be that paranoid, it might just be
>easiest to meet in person somewhere (The Goodwin to Lincoln, on Green
>tunnel is pretty roomy ;-) I mean, it's not like people on the list are
>that far away. Remember, we do live in the same town.
Most of us do. Some of us are off-campus at the moment. 150 miles
is a long way to drive for a tunnel.
Helen, The Ill-Tempered Ticket Lady
>Anyways, to those who have so far expressed an interest, I'll be mailing
>y'all today or tomorrow (probably) to discuss the issue. Does anyone
>know how to email to a list of addresses contained in a file? Maybe
>something like: "cat file.names | mail" ?
NOOOO! DON'T do this! There are "right" and "wrong" ways to do a mail
list, and if this gets too big, the "wrong" ways will put a significant
drain on resources, to the point that Bob will be angered and stomp
your account underfoot like a grape. Paul Pomes posted something a
couple of months back about a "right" way to pull this off. I'll find
it and post it when I get home Monday. (Can't do it tonight since I'm
driving to Champaign straight from work.)
Jeffery Park Elbel
stunneling list, and cwould feel more free to
"discuss relevant info" with other interested parties
in such a situation. Encryption, as previously
mentioned, wouldn't be a bad idea. Probably not
really necessary, but safer. if anyone is compiling an
addres list, pleas include mine. thx.
Andrew Trapp
>I'd be very interested in being included on a U of I
>"discuss relevant info" with other interested parties
>in such a situation. Encryption, as previously
>mentioned, wouldn't be a bad idea. Probably not
>really necessary, but safer. if anyone is compiling an
>addres list, pleas include mine. thx.
>el...@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu
You're on it now.
Any UIUC'ers who wish to join the UIUC STunnelers email list can now send a
request to stunnels...@uiuc.edu. The regular list address is
stun...@uiuc.edu. I'll add you to the list and send you a Standard Issue
Intro Letter that you can print, frame and call your own. :-)
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First, please add me to the mailing list.
I was a very active stunneler when I was at UofI. I was on several of the
major expeditions including lounge rats, SVG, etc. A good friend was on the
DIG DUG expedition.
I watched the reconstruction of the auditorium from underneath. It was very
cool. They actually used a small bulldozer to remove some of the old chairs.
They even were using some of the original blueprints from 1910.
A friend of mine got into the main library's basement and accidentally let
the door close. He had to wait until 6AM, hiding from the janitors. They
would not let him out, only call the cops. (He said he was studing and lost
his keys)
It's a shame more things are getting locked up. It was a lot of fun
traversing the whole campus underground.
Z
ray landers
: ...green spleen... <trd5...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> writes:
: >dre...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Andrew Trapp) writes:
: >>Would anyone here at UIUC be interested in forming a stunneling email list?
: >>It would allow a bit more privacy to discuss openly and conspire some field
: >>expeditions, as well as keeping the subject local.
: >Yes, I would definitely go in on such a deal. Of course, to be legal here,
: >it should be a list of folks "who are interested in discussing various
: >aspects of the UIUC stunnels." not necessarily restricted to just tunnel
: >rats. }:)
: Of course. ;) When you start that list, put me down on it.
Put me on it , too.
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: In article <2o1kbb$q...@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> Timothy Skirvin,
i'm in berkeley....
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> greetings.
>
> well, seeing how you "suppossedly" can get booted out
> of the U of illinois for even going down there, i
> heard this from a friend (wink).
>
> he went down into the tunnels when he found one of those
> heavy cement lids had cracked/broken and, i guess,
> maitenance had covered it with a large, but light, piece
> of plywood. this was right outside of Gregory hall - wright
> street side about last year. but they (maitence) has
> since replaced the cement cover.
>
> but, down there he and a friend had the coolest time, and
> it seemed that so had a lot of other people considering
> the amount of graffiti. so he was wondering if others
> on this campus have secret ways in that they might mail
> me about so i can tell my friend. (he doesnt have an account)
>
>
> or perhaps we can just share a little lore. or whereupons
> in the system youve been?
>
>
> until.
>
> nase...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
and 20 years later there are still those of us trying to get in. My expedition begins tomorrow.
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im more interested in the more original ones from the early 1900s.
