Danawell
Andrew Merrill
Any Swatties out there reading this? Better yet, anyone reading this
from within the newly networked (but always elusive) Danawell tunnel?
Ten baubles to the first person to post a message to this group while
inside it. Unless, of course, in the never-ending search for new
dorm rooms, they've decided to build student housing inside the tunnel.
That would make it just too easy.
OK, so how many campuses have long-lasting rumors of (probably) non-existant
tunnels under their buildings or lawns? Has anyone here started such a
rumor? How long did it last?
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Joel Furr
Andrew Merrill <mer...@devil.cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
>OK, so how many campuses have long-lasting rumors of (probably) non-existant
>tunnels under their buildings or lawns? Has anyone here started such a
>rumor? How long did it last?
At Virginia Tech, we had a rumor that the steam tunnels led to the locker
rooms of the old, long-since-demolished Miles Stadium, which had been
located on a site since converted into a large quad between two big
dorms. People said that the locker rooms and field level area had simply
been covered over with dirt and left intact.
However, having worked with the Health and Safety people and seen the
steam tunnel maps, I can be fairly sure no such tunnels to the locker
rooms exist.
You can, however, if you don't mind getting expelled if caught, travel
completely across campus via the steam tunnels.
Anthony Datri
>You can, however, if you don't mind getting expelled if caught, travel
>completely across campus via the steam tunnels.
That was the story at CMU, too, but nobody ever knew someone who'd been
expelled for it. There are at least two disjoint sets of tunnels there.
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>
>At Virginia Tech, we had a rumor that the steam tunnels led to the locker
>rooms of the old, long-since-demolished Miles Stadium, which had been
>You can, however, if you don't mind getting expelled if caught, travel
>completely across campus via the steam tunnels.
Georgia Tech also has an extensive network of steam tunnels. I've never heard
of anyone go inside them. From the surface they look like sidewalks to
nowhere so it's always fun to tell some freshman to "follow that sidewalk"
when he asks for directions. After turning a corner or two, he finds out
the "sidewalk" runs into a blank brick wall on the side of some building.
But Georgia Tech does have a nice tunnel that goes under I75/85, the 12-lane
interstate that runs through downtown Atlanta. It has some surveillance
cameras inside and if the campus police (sic) see some crime occurring in
the tunnel they can drop gates down from the ceiling to seal off the ends.
(Of course this would seal the victim in with the criminal, but it's the
thought that counts, right?)
-Sheldon
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Jeffrey Edward Lorenzini
>In article <merrill....@cs.wisc.edu>,
>Andrew Merrill <mer...@devil.cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>OK, so how many campuses have long-lasting rumors of (probably) non-existant
>>tunnels under their buildings or lawns? Has anyone here started such a
>>rumor? How long did it last?
when i was going to univ. calif. irvine the first time around, me and 4
other friends were expelled from the entire uc system for, among other
things, tunnelling around uci. the campus is in a ring, and the buildings
are connected by underground tunnels. the neat thing is, if you can get
into the tunnels in any building, you have access to all the buildings.
i wouldn't recommend it though...
_/eff lorenzini
Joel Irby
>In article <merrill....@cs.wisc.edu>,
>Andrew Merrill <mer...@devil.cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>OK, so how many campuses have long-lasting rumors of (probably) non-existant
>>tunnels under their buildings or lawns? Has anyone here started such a
>>rumor? How long did it last?
That's the story at UT-Austin, also. Part of the story is that one reason for the
tunnels was to connect several designated fallout shelter buildings. I don't know if
that part is true or not, but I'm pretty sure the tunnels are real and were used for
maintenance of the physical plant. Anybody seen them?
Hook 'em Horns!
--Joel "Never explored 'em, didn't want to get expelled" Irby
Houston, TX
A Slave to the Vibe
: In article <merrill....@cs.wisc.edu>,
: Andrew Merrill <mer...@devil.cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
: At Virginia Tech, we had a rumor that the steam tunnels led to the locker
: rooms of the old, long-since-demolished Miles Stadium, which had been
: located on a site since converted into a large quad between two big
: dorms. People said that the locker rooms and field level area had simply
: been covered over with dirt and left intact.
Word up! Look where I'm posting from! Long live the steam tunnels.
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> >You can, however, if you don't mind getting expelled if caught, travel
> >completely across campus via the steam tunnels.
>
> That was the story at CMU, too, but nobody ever knew someone who'd been
> expelled for it. There are at least two disjoint sets of tunnels there.
yes, apparently people used to hang out down there, play frisbee, etc.
but now they're sealed off, and yes, supposedly you get expelled if
you go down there now... the tunnels are used now for running network cables.
Allen Garvin
GUE tech, which bears an uncanny resemblance to MIT. Down, deep beneath
the university, you find in ever lower steam tunnels, a Lovecraftian
horror threatening to endanger humanity itself. Very scary stuff.
I've heard MIT has famous tunnels, some of which are rumoured to lead
to distant sites in Boston; but since my application got rejected and
after numerous hard times ended up at this state university, with very
small steam tunnels, I can't testify to the fact.
-Allen
Rachel K. Wright
Here at Washington & Lee I have heard rumors of a tunnel that goes
from the steam vent in front of the Commerce School and leads to the
boiler room of the library. This may be inaccurate/outright wrong. Don't
blame me. :)
Just my $.02.
Rachel Wright
rwr...@wlu.edu
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Dave Haynie
>You can, however, if you don't mind getting expelled if caught, travel
>completely across campus via the steam tunnels.
That was the story at CMU, too, but nobody ever knew someone who'd been
expelled for it. There are at least two disjoint sets of tunnels there.
CMU has a fantastic network of tunnels. Due to space restrictions and
its being on the edge of a glutch, most of the education buildings at
CMU are vertically oriented. For example, when you walk into the
ground floor of Science, er, Wean Hall, you're actually on the fifth
floor. Not only that, but in some of the older buildings, the
hallways themselves seem to have been designed by either madmen, or
architects with a sense of humor. At least when I was there, you
could get to any of the education halls by way of steam tunnels,
though not quite anywhere on campus. It certainly helped if you had a
good set of maps, or enough experience to not need them. Also,
knowing which doors were alarmed, and a good set of master keys, was
also a big help. And it was officially stated that you be severely
disciplined, including explusion, for wandering the tunnels. I don't
know of anyone who did get caught, though there were some very close
calls from time to time.
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Merlin
>>OK, so how many campuses have long-lasting rumors of (probably) non-existant
>>tunnels under their buildings or lawns? Has anyone here started such a
>>rumor? How long did it last?
Here at Muskingum College in New Concord, Ohio we have a tunnel system that
used to transport steam to the dorms from the Physical Plant. Now the dorms
have there own boilers and don't need the steam. The tunneks run under the
sidewalks for the most part and also under the college lake. The steam used to
keep the sidewalks clear in the winter due to the heat rising. Now the tunnel
are used to run our phone and computer lines to the buildings. I have seen the
tunnels when they were workers in them. There very dirty and have poor
lighting. Most of the tunnels here are locked but there are some entrances.
Don
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run throughout the campus. Adventures of various undergraduates
therein have, over the years, earned them names like "Gollum" and
"Harvey the Beer Troll."
David Savage
: Here at Muskingum College in New Concord, Ohio we have a tunnel system that
: used to transport steam to the dorms from the Physical Plant. Now the dorms
: have there own boilers and don't need the steam. The tunneks run under the
: sidewalks for the most part and also under the college lake. The steam used to
: keep the sidewalks clear in the winter due to the heat rising. Now the tunnel
: are used to run our phone and computer lines to the buildings. I have seen the
: tunnels when they were workers in them. There very dirty and have poor
: lighting. Most of the tunnels here are locked but there are some entrances.
: Don
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Couldn't pass up the opportunity to jump in on the discussion when I
noticed my alma mater. I am intimately familiar with the tunnels under
Muskingum, having travelled them on a number of occasions during my
stint there. The tunnels (they were still used to carry steam) often
were our after hours access to the pool in the (now) old gym on
campus. They traversed a good number of the buildings on campus, but
were not all easily accessible. Sad that they are now used for some
thing other than warming the sidewalks in winter. Sigh, and its only
been 13 years since I was there. Oh well, progress marches on.
Dave
dsa...@cs.wright.edu
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Robert E Irie
there were so many people interested (like I) in tunnels :)
The only experiences I have to relate are at Columbia University,
where there was a series of tunnels that a bunch of summer program
kids (yours truly included) explored for a while till the "management"
began locking doors between tunnels, and at Harvard, where some of the
residential "Houses" had basements with a maze of twisty passages, all
alike. (I am referring to Dunster and Elliot, for those who have gone
there) . As far as I could tell, the ones at Columbia ran from an
administrative hall on the Eastern side of campus to the physics
building on the southern side. Of courseit could have been more
extensive, if they hadnt locked some doors :) The Harvard ones seemed
to be limited to the individual House, so they were not connected.
Anyway,
In article <1994Feb21....@ra.oc.com> eare...@orion.etsu.edu (Allen
Garvin) writes:
GUE tech, which bears an uncanny resemblance to MIT. Down, deep beneath
Not surprising, since the original Infocom guys were from MIT.
I've heard MIT has famous tunnels, some of which are rumoured to lead
to distant sites in Boston; but since my application got rejected and
I'll check them out when I have time :)
Tim Hertz
>OK, so how many campuses have long-lasting rumors of (probably) non-existant
>tunnels under their buildings or lawns? Has anyone here started such a
>rumor? How long did it last?
I know (from personal experience) that UCLA had a large network of tunnels
running between the buildings that carried electrical wiring and stuff.
We found lots of interesting stuff in there: School newspapers from the 40's,
a road in the middle of the campus that was actually a bridge with the sides
bricked up and filled with dirt on the outside, dumping grounds for various
items, and access to some buildings (some doors were locked). I think the
school officials wised up a bit and got better at closing off the entrances,
though.
- Tim
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> .....and at Harvard, where some of the
>residential "Houses" had basements with a maze of twisty passages, all
>alike. (I am referring to Dunster and Elliot, for those who have gone
>there) .
tunnels if one considers the artwork. One Halloween Ball I was a "Tunnel
Person" (back when they had black strips over their eyes).
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Scott Blodgett
(Jeffrey Edward Lorenzini) wrote:
My alum, Rochester Institute of Technology, had a very similar rumor. The
dorms and the "academic side" are all separated by the "quarter mile", a
long above ground paved path. There was a persistent rumor that there was
once an underground tunnel. Most of the academic buildings are connected
by real tunnels.
scott
> jkf...@snarf.eecs.umich.edu (Joel Furr) writes:
Brian W. Dunn
Grinnell is split into North & South Campuses (Campii?), and the
dorms of both sides can be accessed by the tunnels.
There are also some "neat" boiler rooms.
Very "Nightmare on Elm St"-ish.
A Saturday afternoon water fight was made interesting by the tunnels, when
2 guys appeared mysteriously from a basement of a dorm to soak a first
floor denizen.
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tunnels. We are a little bit lucky because they are used to transport
the heat to different building so the sidewalks are clear, at least parts
of them are. It is my understanding that if you mess around in them or
even go into them you will be expelled but I haven't had the chance to
check that theory out yet.
The Kaizer
Ben Armato
Somone asked:
>>>OK, so how many campuses have long-lasting rumors of (probably) non-existant
>>>tunnels under their buildings or lawns? Has anyone here started such a
>>>rumor? How long did it last?
I'd bet tunnels are very common, but colleges like to deny they exist or, at
best, claim that access is very restricted.
Last year I finished reading an excellent true-crime book that concerned the
disappearance of a child prodigy who attended, I believe, the University of
Michigan. He was fascinated by D&D and spent a considerable amount of time
playing with the other students in the estimated 8 miles of tunnels under the
campus. The investigators eventually persuaded the university to allow them
to search the tunnels; his account of what it was like in the narrow, extremely
hot tunnels as they crawled along for hours was fascinating.
The book had numerous photos taken inside the tunnels. The most amusing was
a small room (one of dozens, actually) which had a table and chair set up
in it, tablecloth, and place settings. A little sign on the table said
something like "please be seated, the waiter will be with you shortly". The
students had to have brought the thing in and reassemled it, piece by piece.
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Texas. They had several tunnels criss-crossing all over campus. They
were evident in the winter because the steam running through them melted
the surface ice, leaving obvious dry areas all over campus. I talked to a
grad student there who had rough maps based on the network of dry
stretches on the surface.
There are several ways to gain access to the tunnels at A & M.
The most obvious is several ground-level grates scattered across campus.
Many of them are not locked, because the Physical Plant maintenance people
use them frequently. There are also several non-descript doors in the
lower levels of some buildings that lead to the tunnels. Most are locked,
and those that aren't are armed with pressure-sensitive alarms.
A & M is serious about keeping it's students out of the steam
tunnels. Rather than try to hide their existence, they state up-front
that anyone caught in the steam tunnels without permission (some physics
equipment is located in parts of these tunnels... ) will be expelled.
One story I can relate. One night, three friends and I went to
the Memorial Student Center on campus. Behind the building, there was a
stairwell leading down to a below-grade alcove not visible from the street
or sidewalk. We found a key in one of the doors there and tried it. It
opened. We walk around there for a while and found a steel door in the
ground leading down. We followed it down and found several passages
leading in various directions. We picked one and followed it. It came
out at a grate in the ground by the door we had entered through. Luckily,
we came out just in time, because the Kampus Kops had shown up. They
asked if we'd seen anyone suspicious (laugh... ). WHen we asked why, they
mentioned that the alarm on the door we had used had gone off.
They've also lined the various tunnels with an array of security
equipment -- motion detectors, cameras, etc. There was a group of
students in the Corps of Cadets that used to hold parties down there.
*Sigh*, all these old memories... I'll have to go back and visit
campus again, soon...
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Jeffrey Edward Lorenzini
>Last year I finished reading an excellent true-crime book that concerned the
>disappearance of a child prodigy who attended, I believe, the University of
>Michigan. He was fascinated by D&D and spent a considerable amount of time
what's the name of the book?
_/eff lorenzini
hooker william anthony
Here at Wake Forest There was this wierd rumor that one of the deans
lived in a bombshelter that could be reached via the tunnels. There are
tunnels, butIt really isn't that much fun in them....
At App State in Boone NC, I have heard that there are tunnells
leading to on old air defense base from WWII
Leroy Banack
>In article <merrill....@cs.wisc.edu>,
>Andrew Merrill <mer...@devil.cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>OK, so how many campuses have long-lasting rumors of (probably) non-existant
>>tunnels under their buildings or lawns? Has anyone here started such a
>>rumor? How long did it last?
There are tunnels at the University of Alberta (in Edmonton). One day I was
walking in a tunnel connecting two building (bio-sci and physics). There is
a door on each side of the tunnel. As I was walking I could here what I thought
was a chain saw getting louder and louder through one of the doors. Then
the door opened and a university worker came out ON A MOTORBIKE!! He crossed
the tunnel to the other door, unlocked it, and when in. The I heard the motor
bike go off into the distance. The tunnels were filled with pipes (obviously
service tunnels for steam, etc..) and must be long enough to justify travel
by motorbike. The UofA campus is quite large so in a way this does make sense.
You don't have to believe this, but THIS DID HAPPEN!
(the truth is out there)
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IGO LESTER LEE
: Shoot, even at the University of Idaho we have the underground
Well yes the U of I does have a very extensive set of heat tunnels. According
to most of the people I have talked to if (that is the key word) you get caught
you will be expelled. However I have yet to hear of anyone getting caught, nor
have I gotten myself caught down there. The tunnels are fun and I have seen
the open entrance and talked to people who have played a game or two of bowling
after hours, but did not want to push it that much myself. I have also seen
campus police camping out watching tunnel entrances so I would be carefull if
you descide to try it and always come out somewhere other than your place of
entrance.
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>
>Last year I finished reading an excellent true-crime book that concerned the
>disappearance of a child prodigy who attended, I believe, the University of
So,
What actually happened to the kid?
Was he found in the tunnels?
PDK
Paul L Schauble
Ah, yes. I spent many, many hours in those tunnels when I was a student
there. I was working for WJHU, the campus radio station, so I was even
official.
I'll spare the stories. Besides, I'm not sure the statute of limitation
has run out ;-). Tell me, is the campus still partly wired with 110 volt
*DC*?
++PLS
Paul L Schauble
>The only experiences I have to relate are at Columbia University,
>where there was a series of tunnels that a bunch of summer program
>kids (yours truly included) explored for a while till the "management"
>began locking doors between tunnels, ...
Kids these days. Isn't there an alt.college.lockpicking newsgroup? It
was considered an essential skill in my day.
++PLS [ Who thinks Best locks aren't impossible, but usually
not worth the trouble to pick. Easier to decode the
master. ]
Ben Armato
_The Dungeon Master_, by William Dear. He's the private investigator who
took his team on a search of the tunnels. I believe there were four teams
and each team took several days to cover two miles, each. His descriptions
of the cramped, narrow tunnels, the high heat, the steam release valves, were
pretty vivid. It's a good book and it's a paperback.
David DeLaney
Don't recall - but it was just reviewed in Skeptical Inquirer... the kid
turned up later, if it's the one I'm thinking of, several states away...
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> :
> began locking doors between tunnels, and at Harvard, where some of
> the residential "Houses" had basements with a maze of twisty
> passages, all alike. (I am referring to Dunster and Elliot, for
> those who have gone there) . As far as I could tell, the ones at
Harvard has real, genuine tunnels that supposedly go all the way from
the Quad to the B-school. Mere mortals, of course, can't ordinarily
get in. (But I do know of some stories...)
The Dunster basement is boring - there aren't any branches, just lots
of corners.
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In article <eaiu494....@orion.oac.uci.edu> eai...@orion.oac.uci.edu (Jeffrey Edward Lorenzini) writes:
Jeffrey> dmu...@vcd.hp.com (Ben Armato) writes:
>> Last year I finished reading an excellent true-crime book that
>> concerned the disappearance of a child prodigy who attended, I
>> believe, the University of Michigan. He was fascinated by D&D
>> and spent a considerable amount of time
Jeffrey> what's the name of the book?
I think it is _The Dungeon Master_.
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Florida, there are supposed to be underground shelters (for that Cold War
thing that was in swing when the dorms were built). Under Alpha and Beta
there are supposed to be entrances to tunnels that stretch from the dorms
to SVC and to the hill that was razed when the UC was renovated. What
used to be an exit was turned into the fountain behind the Special Events
Center. I have heard from someone who (reportedly) has been down there.
Supposedly there are pantries with 30 year old dried food and jugs of
water.
Anyone with a independent confirmation of this or, more importantly, the
location of an entrance, please post or mail me with the information.
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melts (which won't be for awhile until it stops snowing). Reportedly
expulsion is penalty for being caught, but haven't heard of anyone
doing much. Plans, well...
There are tunnels between buildings that are accessible to students,
great for walking to classes without being dressed like the Michelin Man.
What about actual secret levels in buildings? I've heard rumors here
about two underground floors to the Jonsson Engineering Center, which
no one can get to. Reportedly Department of Defense secret labs or such.
Proof? A double ended elevator that only opens one way on every legitimate
floor. Tried combinations of button pushing, but no luck.
Maybe lucky that I didn't, if they're really serious:
Headline: RPI Student Burned Beyond Recognition in Bizarre Accident
Film at 11...
Scot
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Adam Fagen
>Any Swatties out there reading this? Better yet, anyone reading this
>from within the newly networked (but always elusive) Danawell tunnel?
>Ten baubles to the first person to post a message to this group while
>inside it. Unless, of course, in the never-ending search for new
>dorm rooms, they've decided to build student housing inside the tunnel.
>That would make it just too easy.
It's hard to type from within the tunnel with all this dirt and stuff
around. You'd think they'd actually dig out some space if it's going to
be a tunnel. :-)
>OK, so how many campuses have long-lasting rumors of (probably) non-existant
>tunnels under their buildings or lawns? Has anyone here started such a
>rumor? How long did it last?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The tunnel or the rumor? :-)
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daniel r. reitman, attorney to be
I read the same book. Unfortunately I can't remember the title.
Some information that wasn't included:
1. This was at Michigan State, not Michigan.
2. The student was apparently rushed into college by his parents before he
was ready.
3. The detective who wrote the book was rather opinionated about the
modern collegiate atmosphere.
Dan, ad nauseum
"When Vern Klingbiel, (Purchaser), went outside his home in St. Louis,
Missouri, on the morning of June 22, 1966 he found his brand new (1966) Ford
Galaxie 500 gone. Later he was to learn that in the dark of night and with
skillful stealth the car--desipte its being fully locked--had been taken away,
not by some modern auto rustler, but by an anonymous representative of the
Automotive Recovery Bureau acting for Commercial, the installment finance
company, which was described with remarkable accuracy as a 'professional firm'."
Klingbiel v. Commercial Credit Corp., 439 F.2d 1303, 1305 (10th Cir. 1971).
Fiona Vidal-Hall
I'm new to the net, but I find it hard to believe that steam-tunnels (as we
call 'em) have never been discussed on the net before. Am I missing an
alt.urban.spelunking (sp?) that I don't know about?
On to the subject at hand:
Alot of people have been writing about college tunnels as if they were
myths or rumors of the past. I'm happy to inform you that tunneling is alive
and well -- let me share with you about the two schools I know about -- MIT and
Princeton.
MIT may have the most vibrant tunneling culture in the world. Tours for
the freshman (and any other interested commer) are held at midnight during
Orientation week in September. Just ask a student about the 'Orange Tour,' and
you'll be on your way. All this is run by the MIT Hackers (a word with too
many meanings to list here) who both run tunneling trips at least once a week,
and who are also responsible for most of the large-scale practical jokes that
MIT is famous for. (The two hobbies dove-tail nicely, as _complete_ knowledge
of the campus makes putting a working telephone box or a scale plastic cow on
top of the great dome _much_ easier.) The MIT hackers are also famous for
their sign-ins -- it's considered a real plus to be the first to discover a
new 'tomb' (an hidden empty space with no current use).
At Princeton, the tunneling has a very different feel to it. There
are many fewer people who go tunneling there, but the underground system is
immense, so one always feels one is exploring virgin territory (this may well
be the case, as tunneling has been sporatic over the years at Princeton, or
it could just be that the lack of sign-ins makes everyone feel like they are
the first to discover a place.) The real beauty of Princeton is the tunnels
themselves -- there must be a couple miles of tunnel, almost all of it
interconnected in some way. The tunnels run the complete bredth and width of
the main campus (from University Place to Washington, and from Nassau Street
down to the Boiler house.
At Princeton, the tunnels are mostly 'steam-tunnels' -- not tunnels full
of steam, but access tunnels for the hot steam used to heat everything that is
produced in the boiler house and then has to travel to all the buildings.
As of 1992, there was no 'be caught and be expelled' policy at Princeton,
partially because the proctors (campus police) were just not aware of the amount of steam-tunneling going on. There are no motion detectors _except_ is the
Dillon swimming pool room. Rumor has it that the proctors caught 16 people in
there one night, and therefore put a motion detector in. This would have been
about 1989-90. I believe those 16 people got a whole slap on the wrist -- maybe a meaningless probation.
Details of good entrances at Princeton, if you're interested: There must be about 20 good entrances, and 60 or more good exits, so I'm not terribly
afraid of them being all locked up. I would, however, suggest this list does
not get into proctors hands -- although if they do get it, they should know there
is nothing dangerous down there, except for the danger of a somewhat serious
skin burn from a bit of exposed pipe (wear jean-jackets and gloves and you'll
be fine -- don't steam tunnel in a T-shirt.)
Anyway, good entrances --
The manholes on Elm Drive sidewalk south of Dillon (western sidewalk)
The grate next to the five-car parkinglot as Elm Drive swerves to avoid
hitting Dillon Gym.
The manhole next to the path between Spelman and Pyne, on the western side.
Manhole of the south side of Green Hall, near sw corner of Green.
And, for beginners, the large metal door that opens in the T.V. room of 1903.
That's a start anyway. Many of the passages can be walked, but many you have to stoop or ever crawl, sometimes on top of the padded, insulated steam pipes.
Also, many of the passages will get smaller and smaller, but will eventually
come out in some basement, and then you're off on a whole new area. I even
came out of a closet right across from my dorm room once.
Have fun - and just a few brief suggestions --
Don't wear all black -- it makes one look very suspicious.
Carry extra flashlights.
Wear mildly protective clothing -- jeans and jean-jacket + gloves is enough
and, most importantly, DON'T TUNNEL ALONE. That would be really stupid.
A few last notes on manholes: you can usually id manholes by what they say,
thus studiously avoiding those that say 'electrical' 'telephone' or 'sewer'
and just trying those labeled 'steam' (convienent, isn't it?). Still, only
about 1 in 4 manholes will pay off -- many just lead to little 4x4x6 'coffins'.
Hope all this is useful, whereever you may steam-tunnel
ps. I heard a rumor that asbestos is only dangerous with prolonged exposure -- that short-term exposure (such as if one were to tunnel irregularly) is not a
health hazard. Would anyone with the _facts_ on this matter care to either
correct or confirm this rumor? Thanks.
Joel Furr
>ps. I heard a rumor that asbestos is only dangerous with prolonged exposure -- that short-term exposure (such as if one were to tunnel irregularly) is not a
>health hazard. Would anyone with the _facts_ on this matter care to either
>correct or confirm this rumor? Thanks.
True. Asbestos in low amounts is no huge deal, and if it's still sealed
in its foam or wrapping it's no real problem at all. Open, loose
asbestos is another matter. Once, in Virginia Tech's Burruss Hall
administration building, some Physical Plant workers stupidly started
ripping handfuls of asbestos insulation off some pipes in the ceiling and
when the health and safety people found out about it, they had no choice
but to immediately evacuate the entire building, including the
President's staff meeting. (Part of the immediacy was from the health
problems, part was from the risk the university ran of being sued if they
*didn't* act like paranoid Frop-addicts.)
Coleman Jeremiah L
I believe it was _The Dungeon Master_ but I'm not sure -- it's real
good at nailing D&D gamers, too.
*sarcasm from someone who has played for 10 years and has YET to go
crazy*
That is the books name, tho. I think.
Jeremiah Coleman
Coleman Jeremiah L
Philip D. Kim <ve...@ATHENA.MIT.EDU> wrote:
>In article <CLn3C...@vcd.hp.com> dmu...@vcd.hp.com (Ben Armato) writes:
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>>disappearance of a child prodigy who attended, I believe, the University of
>
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>What actually happened to the kid?
>Was he found in the tunnels?
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>PDK
Yes, I just posted... but i read a few more...
I read the book a good while back as a psych project in high school.
Basically, the story goes that this kid turned up missing and certain
evidence (evidence he purposely left, i might add) pointed towads the
steam tunnels. An extensive search came to nothing, so this private
investigator followed other leads.
I think the investigator found the kid somewhere along the gulf coast.
If i remember right, the kid had run away or something... either way
he did not want to be found.
The book is called _The Dungeon Master_ I think.
Jeremiah "someone who has played D&D for 10 years and has YET to go
crazy" Coleman
Valdis Kletnieks
>What about actual secret levels in buildings? I've heard rumors here
>about two underground floors to the Jonsson Engineering Center, which
>no one can get to. Reportedly Department of Defense secret labs or such.
>Proof? A double ended elevator that only opens one way on every legitimate
>floor. Tried combinations of button pushing, but no luck.
This is not unusual. Most likely, if you examine the control panel,
you will see a small keyhole. Inserting the key and pressing the
button opens the back door.
Usually is used when they want to keep random people from wandering
in. I'll bet a pizza that there's no secret level, only a lab that
occasionaly gets elevator deliveries. Check the known floors for
a large lab space behind the elevator shaft.
Valdis Kletnieks
Computer Systems Engineer
Virginia Tech
Ken Harward
trying to get onto campus from the dorms thru the tunnels. The threat was
expulsion, but I think the worst anyone got was probation. They put motion
detectors in all the tunnels leading between the dorms and the main campus
In our last year ('89), one friend got ahold of some maps and very colorful
descriptions of the tunnels, written by a student in the '50s. Clearly
tunnelling was far more popular (and accessible) back then. The stories
recaptured our interest, and we began scouting around for entrances, but
focusing on the campus. We got in at a number of areas and mapped out
extensive parts of the campus tunnels (all steam tunnels again). For those
of you looking to get in at your campus, here's the easiest way I can think
of (next to picking locks, which isn't very hard once you get the hang of
it):
Find a building under construction. Locate the bathroom. We got into
the tunnels by walking around the construction sites, finding the bathroom
areas (usually can tell by the basic building layout) and dropping down
into the tunnels below (holes were for connecting up the pipes). Course an
unlocked door is even easier.
Like some others, I've got tons of stories to tell. But the best part
about it was one friend managed to bring his father's video camera back on
a break. We did all our tunneling in the dead of winter, so we went out
with these heavy winter coats, and then descended into the tunnels. If
you've never been down in a steam tunnel, suffice to say they're well
named. Often sweltering (though parts can get cold). We'd sweat profusely
the entire time. Anyway, we've got over 2 hours of video of us crawling
around the tunnels, having a blast. We named it "8 Feet Under and Hotter
'n Hell" (the main tunnels run just under the sidewalks, tho there is a
second set that runs under those yet again).
The major parts of the Purdue tunnels all have names, dating back from at
least the 50's. That made it all the more interesting, because we could
talk about going from one spot to another and having it seem like a real
trip. The names of all the spots corresponded in some way to the
buildings which they were nearest usually.
In article <2kg5ha$f...@news.bu.edu>, Fiona Vidal-Hall <vi...@acs.bu.edu> wrote:
>Have fun - and just a few brief suggestions --
>Don't wear all black -- it makes one look very suspicious.
>Carry extra flashlights.
>Wear mildly protective clothing -- jeans and jean-jacket + gloves is enough
>and, most importantly, DON'T TUNNEL ALONE. That would be really stupid.
Yeah, don't go alone. I did it once, and while it was thrilling, it was
stupid. The Purdue tunnels have live bus bars running overhead. Wouldn't
want to accidently bump into one (though as to what danger they exactly
pose we never found out.
I'll second the extra flashlights and gloves too.
>ps. I heard a rumor that asbestos is only dangerous with prolonged exposure -- that short-term exposure (such as if one were to tunnel irregularly) is not a
>health hazard. Would anyone with the _facts_ on this matter care to either
>correct or confirm this rumor? Thanks.
I'm interested in this too. I spent 80+ hours down there. We even have
video footage of us finding a sign, holding it up to be read by flashlight
and the sign saying "DANGER!! ASBESTOS!!" Kinda creepy. Another creepy
spot was when we were traveling along (just behind Stanely Coulter for
those of you who know the campus) and there's a room that drops off about
10 feet down and to the north of the main tunnel. Pitch black. We shined
a flashlight down there and lit up a door with a red sign on it (all the
doors have red signs on them, 'cept one) and zoomed the camera lens in on
the sign. When we later played the footage back at the apartment, you see
this dark gloom lit up by a small circle of light and then slowly, really
slowly, the camera focuses in and starts zooming into the blackness, and
you can make out a door, then the sign and then suddenly "PSYCH" (it was
the Psychology building). Okay, guess you had to be there.
One other thing that no one else has mentioned yet. Steam tunnels are
louder than hell too. Geeze they can be loud. And deathly quite. When
the steam starts to pass through there's a terrific clanging completely
surrounding you. Really really adds to the tension (along with the risk of
getting caught).
Wish I had the maps again... it been 4 years since I've been back.
Ken
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Dogbert
>In article <merrill....@cs.wisc.edu>,
>Andrew Merrill <mer...@devil.cs.wisc.edu> wrote:
>>tunnels under their buildings or lawns? Has anyone here started such a
>>rumor? How long did it last?
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one of the administration buildings.
the undergraduate honors club used to have an office in the basement of the
building in question, and there was a trapdoor in the floor. needless to say,
some of us got curious and opened it and found that there was a swimming pool,
complete with spiders and mice, but no water under our office and the one
next door. the floor above was supported by two-by-fours running from the
floor to the celing.
soon after that, we got moved to a different office with no trapdoors. *sigh*
--dennis
Jason W Solinsky
|> MIT may have the most vibrant tunneling culture in the world. Tours for
|> the freshman (and any other interested commer) are held at midnight during
|> Orientation week in September. Just ask a student about the 'Orange Tour,' and
|> you'll be on your way. All this is run by the MIT Hackers (a word with too
|> many meanings to list here) who both run tunneling trips at least once a week,
|> and who are also responsible for most of the large-scale practical jokes that
|> MIT is famous for. (The two hobbies dove-tail nicely, as _complete_ knowledge
|> of the campus makes putting a working telephone box or a scale plastic cow on
|> top of the great dome _much_ easier.) The MIT hackers are also famous for
|> their sign-ins -- it's considered a real plus to be the first to discover a
|> new 'tomb' (an hidden empty space with no current use).
One interesting thing about "modern" MIT prank and tunnel hacking is that many
of the people involved have adopted a weird ethic according to which they are
not supposed to brag about where they have been, save by a variety of anonymous
methods, or what they have done. Large scale pranks like the Church of Athena
in lobby seven have been performed relatively anonymously, save for a few
passer-bys who may have observed them being set up. More recently a photo-essay
of the new biology building, one of the many "off-limits" areas of campus, was
flammed for violating the hacker ethic. I would therefore be unsurprised if many
of the hackers most knowledgeable of MITs system of tunnels are reading this
group anonymously.
Jason W. Solinsky
not a hacker in the aforementioned sense
Malinda McCall
quad have little doors that lead to tunnels. It's not a secret.
When invited to go tunnelling in 1986, I looked inside the dark,
nasty, dusty, cobwebbed (need we add the cobwebs still functioned
as homes for their owners?), yuccky area, looked at my high heeled
suede boots and sleeveless teeshirt and declined.
Salem College, same area, has a bomb shelter/nuke shelter in the
basement of the science building. It is kept locked tight with an
alarm.
On the fourth floor of the Main Hall (with classrooms), there is
nothing but old furniture, dust and heavy piles of bat guano. Rumor
has it they are 4 feet deep, but peeking through the panes of the
stairway door reveal smaller piles. It was uncomfortable being on
third floor, when at any minute a 4' deep pile of bat guano might
break through the 200-year-old floor and land on you.
The Art Building has dozens of nooks and crannies and would be
ideal for a game of Assassin.
Sisters Dormitory had real rats and bugs inside, plus a museum area
that was shut due to structural deterioration. Still, it was filled
with residents. They rooms were huge, with vaulted ceilings,
suite-bathroom areas and huge closets. Spacially, it was prime
real-estate. In all other respects, it was disgusting.
Gramley now has a male guest "hotel" area in it. It was originally
a lot of storage rooms and unused space. They were converted in
1985 to dorm rooms of great size and closets of less exciting size
and I lived there. The sum total of rooms on the hall totalled 7,
Total residents: 10. When folks moved out next door, my roommate
and I claimed it and held a party in it once or twice. Since Salem
is a girl's college, we had to lock the stairwell, and tape dotted
lines on the floor designating where the male guests could be. It
was funny, but I think the guys liked hearing "Man On The Hall"
everywhere.
Powers-That-Be decided, due to complaints from others that our
rooms were so much nicer and larger, that it was unfair to continue
to let only a maximun of 14 people on the hall, and closed it in
1986-1987.
Lastly, there was a graveyard next to the college that wasn't
explored too carefully. I do remember there was a mausoleum with a
huge lock on it. At the time I was wondering what they were trying
to lock in there, since I couldn't imagine what kind of idiot would
want to poke around a small marble hut with dead bodies inside. I
have since been enlightened as to what sorts of idiots might want
to do that. I'm getting cremated.
Best,
Malinda
Anukul Kapoor
Dave Haynie <da...@canopus.commodore.com> wrote:
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Hi Dave! I heard you were a CMU grad, which explains why Amigas are so
cool... but anyway...
> >You can, however, if you don't mind getting expelled if caught, travel
> >completely across campus via the steam tunnels.
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> That was the story at CMU, too, but nobody ever knew someone who'd been
> expelled for it. There are at least two disjoint sets of tunnels there.
>
>CMU has a fantastic network of tunnels. Due to space restrictions and
>its being on the edge of a glutch, most of the education buildings at
>CMU are vertically oriented. For example, when you walk into the
>ground floor of Science, er, Wean Hall, you're actually on the fifth
>floor. Not only that, but in some of the older buildings, the
>hallways themselves seem to have been designed by either madmen, or
>architects with a sense of humor. At least when I was there, you
>could get to any of the education halls by way of steam tunnels,
>though not quite anywhere on campus. It certainly helped if you had a
Being a freshman and having been in the tunnels only once so far I
must say CMU's tunnels are nifty. They basically center around
a straight line going from Wean/Hamerschlag to Maggie Mo/the Gym.
The main tunnel goes east-west and is easily several hundred feet long.
It is well lighted for the most part but some branches are rather dark.
They have various tangents coming off them which are interesting.
One of which has a campus phone bearing a sticker do not lick.
There are rumours that the area of the tunnels under the College of
Fine arts is a popular place for couples to get intimate.
What is interesting is that under the cut <a long stretch of grass at
the center of the school> when it snows you can see a long stretch
were the snow melts relatively quickly. No tunnels lead there from
what I understand but there are a large amount of pipes.
>good set of maps, or enough experience to not need them. Also,
>knowing which doors were alarmed, and a good set of master keys, was
In general alarmed doors are marked either officialy or by earlier
explorers. Master Keys would makes thing really interesting. The most
fun is finding your way in to the tunnels.
>also a big help. And it was officially stated that you be severely
>disciplined, including explusion, for wandering the tunnels. I don't
>know of anyone who did get caught, though there were some very close
>calls from time to time.
The way literature phrased it here it seems at one point it was legal
but only recently had they made it punishable. Oh Well.
>--
>Dave Haynie | C= Amiga, High-End Systems | Ki No Kawa Ryu Aikido
>da...@cbmvax.commodore.com | Engineering = Art + Science | "Life was never meant
>{BIX,Portal}: hazy | "The Crew That Never Rests" | to be painless"
>
> "Rumors follow everywhere you go" -Gin Blossoms
Cordially enjoying the intricacies of CMU,
Anukul Kapoor
David O Hunt
the storm runoff tunnels!
There are two systems that we've been in. The first is a tunnel that is a
straight shot - no branches. It has checkpoints with pools that you have
to jump across. The second is a long tunnel whose exploration is stopped
by a 15 foot waterfall. To my knowledge, nobody's climbed up to continue.
At the exit of the first tunnel, there is a smaller (3 foot diameter) one
that leads off up towards the northern part of campus. Two friends and
I went along it on our hands and knees (and along, and along...). We
got tired and popped a manhole. I imagine it must have looked funny to
the passers-by!
David Hunt, PhD Grad. Slave | My mind is my own. So | I love my country,
Mechanical Engineering | are these ideas and | but I fear its
Carnegie Mellon University | opinions! | leaders and the
email: bluelo...@cmu.edu | <Use Golden Rule V2> | peoples' complacency!
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Before they came for the Communists, or the Jews, or the unionists, or the
Catholics and Protestants...they were elected, and they came for the guns!
CHRISTOPHER M GRAWBURG
Anyone ever venture down there???
I saw a post by someone here a while back, but I don't remember who it was from.
If anyone here at State goes down in them, email me back!!!
Chris
Quentin Fennessy
David O Hunt <bluelo...@CMU.EDU> wrote:
>At U Mass I and some friends used to do a fair amount of tunnelling - in
>the storm runoff tunnels!
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>There are two systems that we've been in. The first is a tunnel that is a
>straight shot - no branches. It has checkpoints with pools that you have
>to jump across. The second is a long tunnel whose exploration is stopped
>by a 15 foot waterfall. To my knowledge, nobody's climbed up to continue.
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>At the exit of the first tunnel, there is a smaller (3 foot diameter) one
>that leads off up towards the northern part of campus. Two friends and
>I went along it on our hands and knees (and along, and along...). We
>got tired and popped a manhole. I imagine it must have looked funny to
>the passers-by!
>
I hoped someone else from UMass would speak up!
Around '79, '80, '81 a few of us started exploring tunnels around
the University of Massachusetts, Amherst.
The drain system was good for some of the main part of campus. A
good place to start was to go the field across from Southwest, just below
the ROTC building and just walk into the drain. I think I remember
we could get all the way past the new student union (where the Blue Wall
is/was). This also let us into the Fine Arts center, and the old Student
Union. Whenever there was a concert around we would enter the buildings
this way and be the first in line for tickets. The security people
never harrassed us, but they gave us the strangest looks finding us in
front of the ticket place before it opened.
We also explored the steam tunnels. We started from the house at the
bottom of the hill from the Northeast dorm area. In the cellar there
was a door that led across campus, almost directly to the Physical Plant.
One of the first times out, when we had little or no idea were we were going,
we ended up on one of the top levels of the old coal-fired heating plant.
The watchman hit the alarm and we got trapped on the roof. Fortunately
there was a long coal chute--we ran down there and got away. Seems to
me these same tunnels got us into some chapel somewhere too.
Did anyone ever figure out how to get into the Administration Building?
We never did...
--
Quentin Fennessy
Scott Davi Kilbourn
Actually, some friends of mine managed to get into some sort of storage
closet or something like that. They never figured out what building it
was in or anything like that because it had no windows, but they came
back with enough cleaning supplies and brooms to clean all of Brown Dorm
for a year.
The only experience I had with the tunnels at umass personally was the
one that began across the street from southwest in the playing field.
When we went there, there was a chain link fence blocking off the
entrance, but with a little persuasion, it came free. This is the one
with all the pools of water and you had to jump and grab the ladders to
get up. It seemed to keep going uphill until it ended up in a parking
lot (where the new visitors center is now, across the street from
whitmore). At this point, you had to lift yourself up to get out of it.
It sure was a lot of fun.
I heard a lot about the steam tunnels, but never had a chance to get into
them. Is it true that they had random steam jets that shot out when you
least expected it, or was that just my friends trying to impress. They
made it sound like they would blast your head off if you were in the
wrong place at the wrong time.
Boy, this sure brings back memories...
-Scott...
hits Hines)
: >You can, however, if you don't mind getting expelled if caught, travel
: >completely across campus via the steam tunnels.
: That was the story at CMU, too, but nobody ever knew someone who'd been
: expelled for it. There are at least two disjoint sets of tunnels there.
: CMU has a fantastic network of tunnels. Due to space restrictions and
: its being on the edge of a glutch, most of the education buildings at
: CMU are vertically oriented. For example, when you walk into the
: ground floor of Science, er, Wean Hall, you're actually on the fifth
: floor. Not only that, but in some of the older buildings, the
: hallways themselves seem to have been designed by either madmen, or
: architects with a sense of humor. At least when I was there, you
: could get to any of the education halls by way of steam tunnels,
: though not quite anywhere on campus. It certainly helped if you had a
: good set of maps, or enough experience to not need them. Also,
: knowing which doors were alarmed, and a good set of master keys, was
: also a big help. And it was officially stated that you be severely
: disciplined, including explusion, for wandering the tunnels. I don't
: know of anyone who did get caught, though there were some very close
: calls from time to time.
: --
: Dave Haynie | C= Amiga, High-End Systems | Ki No Kawa Ryu Aikido
: da...@cbmvax.commodore.com | Engineering = Art + Science | "Life was never meant
: {BIX,Portal}: hazy | "The Crew That Never Rests" | to be painless"
: "Rumors follow everywhere you go" -Gin Blossoms
Dave Haynie.... WOW ... I never thought I would see a commodore person
post to a local newsgroup.... gee...
Hi Dave...
Joe Hines
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Joel Furr <jkf...@snarf.eecs.umich.edu> wrote:
>At Virginia Tech, we had a rumor that the steam tunnels led to the locker
>rooms of the old, long-since-demolished Miles Stadium, which had been
>located on a site since converted into a large quad between two big
>dorms. People said that the locker rooms and field level area had simply
>been covered over with dirt and left intact.
>However, having worked with the Health and Safety people and seen the
>steam tunnel maps, I can be fairly sure no such tunnels to the locker
>rooms exist.
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>You can, however, if you don't mind getting expelled if caught, travel
>completely across campus via the steam tunnels.
If you have seen the maps, would you mind telling me what that door (?)
with the lock on it is? It is kind of a half door, and it almost (I've
only been there twice) looks like it's under the drill field. It's
somewhere to the left of Burrus (looking from the front). It looked like
some sort of storage closet/room, but I never did get back to check it out.
Sorry if the directions are bad, but it's been a couple of years since
I've been down there.
--
John Husvar
(Lotsa Deletia)
>ps. I heard a rumor that asbestos is only dangerous with prolonged exposure -- that short-term exposure (such as if one were to tunnel irregularly) is not a
>health hazard. Would anyone with the _facts_ on this matter care to either
>correct or confirm this rumor? Thanks.
>
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FWIW -- My son is an Ohio-certified Asbestos Hazard Evaluation Specialist.
(Argument from Authority Warning!)
Since asbestos tends to remain in the lungs because of the very small size
of the particles, any exposure _can_ increase one's risk of lung cancer, etc.
but, the odds are that sporadic, short exposure carries a minimal risk. The
body tends to encyst most small irritant particles after a while.
For my money, since the risk enhancement would be statistically vanishingly
small, I wouldn't worry too much about what little exposure one might get
from a few tunnelling trips.
I worked in many very hazardous environments for 20+ years and what got me?
Multiple Sclerosis, a spinal cord injury, and a severe electric shock.
Go figure!!
Hmmmm..._can_ one tunnel in a wheelchair or with leg braces? Kent State has
a really nice, extensive utility tunnel system according to a friend of mine
in the maintenance crew.
Usual disclaimers apply, YMMV, void where taxed, regulated, or prohibited,
not responsible for intentional misuse, consult a professional before using,
and on and on and on and on.
But of course, the Great Mommy government/collegeadministration says,
"Absolutely NOT! You could put your eye out with that!"
Regards,
John
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Aaron V. Humphrey
>There are tunnels at the University of Alberta (in Edmonton). One day I was
>walking in a tunnel connecting two building (bio-sci and physics). There is
>a door on each side of the tunnel. As I was walking I could here what I thought
>was a chain saw getting louder and louder through one of the doors. Then
>the door opened and a university worker came out ON A MOTORBIKE!! He crossed
>the tunnel to the other door, unlocked it, and when in. The I heard the motor
>bike go off into the distance. The tunnels were filled with pipes (obviously
>service tunnels for steam, etc..) and must be long enough to justify travel
>by motorbike. The UofA campus is quite large so in a way this does make sense.
>You don't have to believe this, but THIS DID HAPPEN!
>(the truth is out there)
You know what? I think I saw that guy too. I'd forgotten about it 'til
now, but I was working in the basement of BioSci(or, really, the
sub-basement)for a year and a half, so I walked that tunnel many times...
I remember hearing one time that the Bio Sciences building was so screwy
that once some prof was clearing out his closet and found a door at the
back...he got curious, opened it(or had it opened somehow)and found an
_entire classroom_ that had been "lost" on the floorplan, and that was only
accessible through that door.
Sounds more like an urban myth(this is going to an alt.folklore group, is
it? Oh, good), but it would be a hoot if it were true. The thing to do,
of course, would be to not tell anyone else about the room...:-)
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>effect, but I've never heard of any official statement. At Swarthmore, they
>would never come out and *say* "Don't go in the tunnels" -- they just kept
>putting newer and bigger locks on the entrances...)
In my corner of the world they reserve explusion for people who walk
around town naked, or try to gun down the chancellor. Don't ask, and you
won't get told "no": "Gosh, ossifer! Those locks were put there to keep
people out! I had no idea! I thought everyone knew how to pick locks!"
w. Abernathy
ua! ua! ua! <jke...@reed.edu> wrote:
>
>Well, here in the heart of Oregon, we have our very own dear set of steam
>tunnels. In fact, they're almost even close to being respectable - There
>are two main tunnels, one runs about 1/8 mi from Old Dorm Block to Eliot,
>and the other intersects the first behind ODB and is a little shorter.
>
>There is another in front of Eliot, but it's not quite as interesting.
Naww! There is only one tunnel at Reed. It starts in the heating plant (as
all good steam tunnels must...) heads south past the Sports Center
(indicated by a steam line veering off to the west, too small for humans),
hangs a left, (East) at Old Dorm Block, jags southward at about 45 degrees
near the east end of the Old Dorm Block, and continues eastward to the
midpoint of Eliot Hall, where it exits into a mechanical room in what used
to be the Psych basement.
Points of ingress: Heating plant, intake grate at heating plant parking lot,
Old Dorm Block basement storage room, intake grate north of Old Dorm Block
near Sally Port, Eliot Hall shop & mech room. There is another entrance
point which has not yet been cracked. Any interested Reedies should enquire
under PGP.
>Years ago, someone quickly scrawled in the tunnels the graffiti: "You are in
>a maze of tunnels, all alike". (Did I get that right?)
I never saw that. Of course, I might not have been able to read during many
of the times I was in the tunnel...
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Fred Dushin
>In article <2kkg8d$b...@scratchy.reed.edu>,
>ua! ua! ua! <jke...@reed.edu> wrote:
>
>Naww! There is only one tunnel at Reed. It starts in the heating plant (as
>all good steam tunnels must...) heads south past the Sports Center
>(indicated by a steam line veering off to the west, too small for humans),
>hangs a left, (East) at Old Dorm Block, jags southward at about 45 degrees
>near the east end of the Old Dorm Block, and continues eastward to the
>midpoint of Eliot Hall, where it exits into a mechanical room in what used
>to be the Psych basement.
>
>Points of ingress: Heating plant, intake grate at heating plant parking lot,
>Old Dorm Block basement storage room, intake grate north of Old Dorm Block
>near Sally Port, Eliot Hall shop & mech room. There is another entrance
>point which has not yet been cracked. Any interested Reedies should enquire
>under PGP.
>
>
>of the times I was in the tunnel...
>
>
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I'd trust Abernathy on this one, if memory serves...
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@@@> Did anyone ever figure out how to get into the Administration Building?
@@@> We never did...
@@@>
There are no tunnels to the admin building. All of the utilities to
Whitmore leave the tunnels and run in conduits (as in little tiny
pipes) into the building. If you look at the blueprints in Phys. plant,
you can locate the exit point, which is the point where the relevent
pipes dive through a (thick) cement wall into Whitmore.....I suppose
that a few minutes with a jackhammer would get you in, but it would
probably also call the cops......
JD
Ajit Kurian George
a circle. You can get in through manholes or through doors in the
basements of buildings. It's rather crowded, and you need to watch
out for the steam pipes, as they're kind of hot. Last time I went, we
found a bunch of road signs in one of the college basements. You can
also get non-interesting stuff, like light bulbs and vent covers.
Since our university is so liability conscious, the penalty for being
caught in the steam tunnels is rustication.
--Ajit
P.S. Do other universities use the term 'rustication'?
Jason W Solinsky
|> In article <2kfv1k$2...@usenet.rpi.edu>, Scot Johnson <joh...@rpi.edu> wrote:
|> Besides, why would the Dod want to hang around Troy?
They like boring places.
JWS
Patrick L Humphrey
>Rice has a tunnel system like UC Irvine's but it's more of a star than
>a circle. You can get in through manholes or through doors in the
>basements of buildings. It's rather crowded, and you need to watch
>out for the steam pipes, as they're kind of hot. Last time I went, we
>found a bunch of road signs in one of the college basements. You can
>also get non-interesting stuff, like light bulbs and vent covers.
>Since our university is so liability conscious, the penalty for being
>caught in the steam tunnels is rustication.
That's one of the advantages of working for Network Services -- we can venture
down into the catacombs, if needed. There *is* a connection to the
tunnel system from Mudd Lab, even though Mudd doesn't have a basement.
(Its location is secret, though. We could tell you, but then we'd have to
make you eat at CK. :-)
>--Ajit
>
>P.S. Do other universities use the term 'rustication'?
That's a good question -- I never heard the term until I started working here
in 1989. No one at UH when I was there (1972-77) used it, but then again,
that *was* Cougar High...
--PL"with about 6" more space and a driveway, I could park my truck down
there, but the campos would want me to get a Lot Z sticker for it"H
Great Cthulhu
>--Ajit
What does this mean? They send you to Kentucky?
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Ajit Kurian George <ga...@great-gray.owlnet.rice.edu> wrote:
[ snip, snip ]
>P.S. Do other universities use the term 'rustication'?
Yup - Cambridge University, England, for one. Gosh, how quaint :)
BTW - for those readers in alt.college.tunnels, anyone know of any
tunnels at Cambridge? Reply by email please....
Dave
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William Colin Wood
|> That's one of the advantages of working for Network Services -- we can venture
|> down into the catacombs, if needed. There *is* a connection to the
|> tunnel system from Mudd Lab, even though Mudd doesn't have a basement.
|> (Its location is secret, though. We could tell you, but then we'd have to
|> make you eat at CK. :-)
Really? I didn't realize that Mudd was on the tunnels. I have never seen a
connection for it, but I have never tried exploring near the Physical Plant
either, and I assume it must be near there. However, I guess that you could
always follow the fiber-optic cabling until you got to Mudd (assuming that it
all runs to there).
--Colin
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Patrick L Humphrey
Some of it does -- but some of it doesn't. You're warm on the cabling, but
cold on the location. (No, we're not giving guided tours. :-)
--PL"not without a direct connection to Valhalla, anyway"H
DAG GILLIES
>In article <GAJIT.94F...@great-gray.owlnet.rice.edu>,
>Ajit Kurian George <ga...@great-gray.owlnet.rice.edu> wrote:
>[ snip, snip ]
>>P.S. Do other universities use the term 'rustication'?
>
>Yup - Cambridge University, England, for one. Gosh, how quaint :)
>
punishment of not being allowed off the school grounds. A lot of British
public schools use the same terminology as the Oxbridge universities.
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Allen Briggs
Coleman Jeremiah L <jlc...@ucs.usl.edu> wrote:
>I've never even heard of the word... what does it mean?
>
>just notes from the fringe of (un)reality.
Do they have dictionaries there (at the fringe)?
The American Heritage Dictionary has this definition of "rusticate"
as "Chiefly Brit."
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>In article <GAJIT.94F...@great-gray.owlnet.rice.edu>,
>Ajit Kurian George <ga...@great-gray.owlnet.rice.edu> wrote:
>>caught in the steam tunnels is rustication.
>>P.S. Do other universities use the term 'rustication'?
>I've never even heard of the word... what does it mean?
>
From Websters Online:
rus.ti.cate \'r*s-ti-.ka-t\ \.r*s-ti-'ka--sh*n\ \'r*s-t*-.ka-t-*r\ vi : to
go into or reside in the country : follow a rustic life 1: to suspend from
school or college {had been first rusticated from Oxford and then expelled
-Anthony Trollope} 2: to bevel or rebate (as the edges of stone blocks) to
make the joints co nspicuous {a rusticated stone wall} 3a: to compel to
reside in the country 3b: to cause to become rustic : implant rustic
mannerisms in - rus.ti.ca.tion n
I think that 1) is the definition being refered to.
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: >P.S. Do other universities use the term 'rustication'?
From the English Oxford Dictionary (available via gopher :-)
This section is from the document '//gopherservices/.index/english'.
rus.ti.cate \'r*s-ti-.ka_-t\ vb
1: to go or to force to go into the country for residence : banish
or be banished to the country
2: to become or cause to become rustic
-- rus.ti.ca.tion \.r*s-ti-'ka_--sh*n\ n
-- rus.ti.ca.tor \'r*s-ti-.ka_-t-*r\ n
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