Sorority Paddling? Yeah right!
Aioannides
Right! The request for stories of sorority paddling at initiation comes
up rather often on here. Wait till the requests for pictures comes up.
As for the subject, I can pretty much guarantee that NO NPC sorority would
paddle.
Basically, and I'm sure the other greek women on here would agree, all
sororities emphasize sisterhood & other "ladylike" qualities.
That's it. No pain.
Remember, our GRANDMOTHERS went through these rituals too...back in the
days when girls didn't even wear shorts!
Ann Ioannides, Miami, Florida........GO GATORS!! -=;==;<
Take your pick -- all email will get to me!
aioan...@aol.com ioa...@mail.firn.edu
Elizabeth Connolly
> Right! The request for stories of sorority paddling at initiation comes
> up rather often on here. Wait till the requests for pictures comes up.
>
> As for the subject, I can pretty much guarantee that NO NPC sorority would
> paddle.
> Basically, and I'm sure the other greek women on here would agree, all
> sororities emphasize sisterhood & other "ladylike" qualities.
>
> That's it. No pain.
Actually, you are wrong with that statement. There IS a NPC sorority
that hazes (but I am not going to name names).....they are violating
rules and everyone (on my campus) knows it, but no one can prove it. One
of my old roommates was a pledge, but she isn't going to come forward.
They don't paddle, but they sure cause pain!
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Tikki tikki tembo-no sa rembo-chari bari ruchi-pip peri pembo
aioan...@aol.com (Aioannides) warbled:
>Right! The request for stories of sorority paddling at initiation comes
>up rather often on here. Wait till the requests for pictures comes up.
>
>As for the subject, I can pretty much guarantee that NO NPC sorority would
>paddle.
>Basically, and I'm sure the other greek women on here would agree, all
>sororities emphasize sisterhood & other "ladylike" qualities.
>
>That's it. No pain.
>
>days when girls didn't even wear shorts!
Actually, I wouldn't be sure that our grandmothers went through the
same rituals we did. Remember that sorority hazing used to not be
considered illegal (for lack of a better word). Since rituals are
secret, we have no idea what went on during initiations 50 years ago,
but I wouldn't be surprised if it DID include hazing, pain and/or
intimidation. After all, "initiation" is a scary word for those who
are uninitiated, and the connotations had to come from SOMEwhere.
-joanna
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Elizabeth Connolly
> Actually, I wouldn't be sure that our grandmothers went through the
> same rituals we did. Remember that sorority hazing used to not be
> considered illegal (for lack of a better word). Since rituals are
> secret, we have no idea what went on during initiations 50 years ago,
> but I wouldn't be surprised if it DID include hazing, pain and/or
> intimidation. After all, "initiation" is a scary word for those who
> are uninitiated, and the connotations had to come from SOMEwhere.
But you must realize that some houses have NEVER altered their ritual.
Oh, and the rituals of all houses (prior to 1960) can be found in the
Library of Congress (I believe that's the place). They're there because
of the little communism scare that McCarthey planted in everyone. Secret
societies were forced to publish their "going-ons" to make sure that none
were fronts for communist activities... :)
Colin
>
> Actually, you are wrong with that statement. There IS a NPC sorority
> that hazes (but I am not going to name names).....they are violating
> rules and everyone (on my campus) knows it, but no one can prove it. One
> of my old roommates was a pledge, but she isn't going to come forward.
> They don't paddle, but they sure cause pain!
>
At Tulane, one of my friends is a member of Sigma Delta Tau, and she told
me that paddling and getting paddled was a few days after their
initiation they got their sorority paddles, a symbolic thing that their
big sisters give them, and they don't actually get paddled. It wasn't a
ceremonial thing, just something a big sister does for her little sister.
Colin
PGD-TU
HOUSTON & TEXAS in 2008!!!!!!!!!!
Elizabeth Connolly
> At Tulane, one of my friends is a member of Sigma Delta Tau, and she told
Are they NPC?
Aioannides
And you all believe that there's paddling going on during rituals?! COME
ON!
Remember, all sorts of alumnae (moms, grandmas, etc) are invited when
their grand/daughter gets initiated. Local/National officers even visit.
You think they paddle then?
No NPC sorority paddles. Otherwise, do you think they'd have
representatives at the National level going to the Natioanl NPC
conferences and denouncing paddling or hazing!?
Get serious, you guys. It doesn't happen during any sorority's ritual.
StarGate
call...@leland.Stanford.EDU (Tikki tikki tembo-no sa rembo-chari bari
ruchi-pip peri pembo) wrote:
>aioan...@aol.com (Aioannides) warbled:
>>Right! The request for stories of sorority paddling at initiation comes
>>up rather often on here. Wait till the requests for pictures comes up.
>>
>>As for the subject, I can pretty much guarantee that NO NPC sorority would
>>paddle.
>>Basically, and I'm sure the other greek women on here would agree, all
>>sororities emphasize sisterhood & other "ladylike" qualities.
>>
>>That's it. No pain.
>>
>>Remember, our GRANDMOTHERS went through these rituals too...back in the
>>days when girls didn't even wear shorts!
>Actually, I wouldn't be sure that our grandmothers went through the
>same rituals we did. Remember that sorority hazing used to not be
>considered illegal (for lack of a better word). Since rituals are
>secret, we have no idea what went on during initiations 50 years ago,
>but I wouldn't be surprised if it DID include hazing, pain and/or
>intimidation. After all, "initiation" is a scary word for those who
>are uninitiated, and the connotations had to come from SOMEwhere.
>-joanna
My grandmother was in a sorority at Cornell, and one of the things
they made her do was push a peanut, with her nose, up one of the huge
hills in Ithaca, NY. She said it wasn't a pleasant experience, but
she said she would do anything to get into that sorority.
Mike D
Mike S. Grant
Lawrence Wallace
>> Right! The request for stories of sorority paddling at initiation comes
>> up rather often on here. Wait till the requests for pictures comes up.
>>
>> As for the subject, I can pretty much guarantee that NO NPC sorority would
>> paddle.
>> Basically, and I'm sure the other greek women on here would agree, all
>> sororities emphasize sisterhood & other "ladylike" qualities.
>>
>> That's it. No pain.
The tradition to give a gift to one's brother or sister is just as
strong today as ever. The paddle itself has evolved over the years to
become a symbolic gift that is used to display one's pride in their
sorority. In fact some of today’s "paddles" don't even look like a
paddle. Check it out http://www.omegaawards.com/main.htm
Aioannides
In article
<Pine.SOL.3.91.960731...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu>, Hippie
Chick <ch...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> writes:
>Girl, get out of the networld and into reality, sororities do paddle,
>I've seen the marks on the thighs of girls in top six sororities at my
>university. It happens. Get used to it. It's usually the biggest
>sororities at the unverisities doing the most paddling.
I _really really really_ doubt those marks were due to paddling.
especially if they're supposedly among the top six houses at a major state
school such as the Univ. of Texas/
So, which are the top 6 sororities?
Howard
aioan...@aol.com (Aioannides) wrote:
>
>I _really really really_ doubt those marks were due to paddling.
>especially if they're supposedly among the top six houses at a major state
>school such as the Univ. of Texas/
>
>So, which are the top 6 sororities?
>
Since I live in Texas, have several friends that go to UT, and go up there
a few times a year for the Sammy parties, I can speak with a litle bit
of knowledge. I would say that a good amount of hazing does go on at
UT. More so than at UH for sure. I have known/met people at/from UT who
are/were Greek and they said that hazing was definitely a reality.
--
Howard L. Rushing
Sigma Alpha Mu - Beta Rho (U of Houston)
and a Proud NRA Member
Michael Scott Vadon
On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Hippie Chick wrote:
> Girl, get out of the networld and into reality, sororities do paddle,
> I've seen the marks on the thighs of girls in top six sororities at my
> university. It happens. Get used to it. It's usually the biggest
> sororities at the unverisities doing the most paddling.
>
>
I would agree. Sororities haze, but in much different ways then
fraternities. From what I have heard, sororities do stuff like make big
black circles around fat and then make fun of these girls. I wouldn't
really believe that paddling happens, just doesn't sound like sorority
hazing. Sorority hazing is centered around making a pledge look and feel
ugly. Maybe thats just in my neck of the woods. . .
I did hear that a certain sorority at American University had their
pledges roll around in fecies in some field. Don't know though. .
.Sometimes guys will make up stories and model their stories after
fraternity hazing practices.
Mike
Colin
On 2 Aug 1996, Aioannides wrote:
> In article
> <Pine.SOL.3.91.960731...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu>, Hippie
> Chick <ch...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> writes:
>
> >Girl, get out of the networld and into reality, sororities do paddle,
> >I've seen the marks on the thighs of girls in top six sororities at my
> >university. It happens. Get used to it. It's usually the biggest
> >sororities at the unverisities doing the most paddling.
>
> I _really really really_ doubt those marks were due to paddling.
> especially if they're supposedly among the top six houses at a major state
> school such as the Univ. of Texas/
>
> So, which are the top 6 sororities?
>
I wanna try this one. I believe at UT it's:
Kappa Alpha Theta
Kappa Kappa Gamma
Pi Beta Phi
Chi Omega
Zeta Tau Alpha
Alpha Chi Omega
If Theta''s one of the top 6, I'm truly surprised they even do such a
thing because I know their nationals truly oppose such actions. I joked
with my Theta friends about getting paddled, and they told me that
nationals was so strict on that matter. Oh well.
Colin
PGD-TU
HOUSTON & THE LONE STAR STATE in 2012!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hippie Chick
Believe it, they are paddle marks...all the girls sport them in all six
sororities..that is not a coincidence. Also one sorority lines the girls
up by breast size. That's not cool! Incedentally the top six are Kappa
Kappa Gamma, Pi Beta Phi, Delta Delta Delta, Chi Omega, Kappa Alpha
Theta, and depending on who you ask, Zeta Tau Alpha or Alpha Delta Pi.
These are listed in no particular order. Out of these sororites, all
paddle, all haze....all mark their pledges bodies with red permanent
markers, at least three have mandatory exercise hours in addition to
study hours, one sells pledges to fraternity members, one makes their
initiates lie in a coffin, and one lines theirs up by breast size in the
dark..that means the girls have to feel each other's breasts to see whose
are bigger as they are not allowed to speak, and then a particular
fraternity is allowed to come in and "check" to make sure they lined up
correctly. The bigger the school, the dirtier the greek system, and
frankly I'm embarassed to be a part of a system that nods at this behaviour.
Hippie Chick
A Chi O, in the top six???
ROTFL!!!!!! You kill me, that's the best laugh I've had all day!
Nikhiles Lombard
Hazing is not a given any more . i don't know why every one assumes that
it happens to evry one that goes Greek. On the first day of rush we tell
rushees we don't haze and we really don't haze. I have no reason to lie
and I am not, I am not saying other don't haze but not all of the house on
my campus do.
I really only know of 2 other houses that don't haze but i know of
6 that definatly do, I know this because i see them running around outside
doing stupid shit or by the way they smell and look during hell week, but
that leaves 4 other houses i don't know about, i know one of our soroities
haze and the other does not.
I just wish people stopped assuming GLO = hazing.
The first thing GDI ask is what did you have to do to get in.
I say I signed a bid and they were either dissapointed or did not belive
me.
It pisses me off that everyone is so sterotypical but that is life. just
remember that those people that blast all GLO are nothing but Racist, it
is just that no one really care about GLO uinless they were in GLO.
Nik
SHARK®
Nikhiles Lombard <n...@wpi.edu> wrote:
>It pisses me off that everyone is so sterotypical but that is life. just
>remember that those people that blast all GLO are nothing but Racist, it
>is just that no one really care about GLO uinless they were in GLO.
Is racism the word you want to use?
Carcharodon Carcharias
Nikhiles Lombard
I guess not but it is prejudice, sort of racist, but you get the jist
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, SHARK=AE wrote:
> Nikhiles Lombard <n...@wpi.edu> wrote:
>=20
> >It pisses me off that everyone is so sterotypical but that is life. jus=
t
> >remember that those people that blast all GLO are nothing but Racist, it
> >is just that no one really care about GLO uinless they were in GLO.
>=20
> =09Is racism the word you want to use?=20
>=20
> Carcharodon Carcharias
>=20
>=20
>=20
Hippie Chick
Everyone assumes that all glos haze because most do...and in the past,
all of them did until they got in trouble with their nationals, or killed
a pledge by accident...so that assumption is not totally without basis,
and even though my sorority doesn't haze, they wish they could. Hazing
is very much a reality at my university, as we lost a bright young man
last year to hazing. In the past ten years we've had houses burned to
the ground, a few young men die, women rushed to the hospital with
alcohol poisoning, and multiple wrongful death and/or injury lawsuits.
Don't trivialize hazing, it's a serious business, and it does happen.
It's very much a reality all over America.
Hippie Chick
The term racist would imply that members of glos are members of a
separate race...that is asinine...oh, and it's gist, not jist.
Aioannides
Okay Hippie, I won't use your name, but I will forward this information to
each of the National Headquarters of the sororities you listed.
I will also present thisfor discussion to the Miami Women's Panhellenic
Association, to which I belong.
By the way, which sorority do you belong to?
Ann Ioannides
Kappa Delta
SHARK®
Hippie Chick <ch...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
>The term racist would imply that members of glos are members of a
>separate race...that is asinine...oh, and it's gist, not jist.
See? If Hippie said so it must be true.
:)
Carcharodon Carcharias
Hippie Chick
I counted at least ten spelling errors and more than ten examples of poor
syntax, and you're calling me ignorant? Maybe you should go to class
instead of spending so much time on the net, and consider taking a
writing class. It might help.
Hippie Chick
I was not hazed and I refuse to subject myself to such an immature
practice. Before I entered the chapter room for my sorority initiation,
I made myself a promise; if they were to haze me, I would have turned
around and walked out of the room.
Michael Scott Vadon
My experience in the Army was the ultimate hazing experience. I
went through a combat arms-type Basic Training at Ft. Knox and Airborne
school at Ft. Benning. Both these experiences were full of no holds
barred hazing. They didn't really care about rules, regulations or laws
concerning training. Anyone who complained was not listened to. Imagine
going through hazing from dawn to dusk. Yes, people do get killed during
the military training, at least 1 or 2 a month, but it never makes the
presses as the Army hides and covers-up everything.
As for fraternity and sorority hazing, I do not believe in
physical or mental hazing. Meaning, I do not believe in hitting or
hurling two bit insults at pledges. I, however, do believe that new
members of an organization should be doing more work than than the older
members. I don't think there is anything wrong with the pledges setting
or cleaning up a party. I also don't think there is anything wrong with
the pledges cleaning up the house or yard. I do believe that this kind of
work be part of a new membership program.
Before anyone says "Oh my god! Thats hazing!", I have to remind
everyone that every organization, whether it be Xerox or Nabisco, treats
its new members like this. Its very reasonable to ask the new members
to take upon routine work or chores, as long as it doesn't involve
verbal or physical abuse/violence.
Mike
Elizabeth Connolly
> I am sick of this generalzation and it is a form of prejudice. Not all
> GLO's haze and I bet it less than 40% do and the number is going down.
I agree....at my school, only one house (out of 10 Panhellenic) hazes, but
no one can bust them....my old roommate was a pledge who DP'ed, but she
would only come forward if she planned on leaving UCD. She isn't....so
they will still haze. But there are other houses (sorority) on our campus
that DO haze, but they are "special interest" houses that are isolated to
either our campus or Nor Cal......and I just culd care less about those
houses because they're asking for all their pledges to DP (as many, if not
most, do).
I think the closest thing that can represent hazing in my house is during
little/big sister revealing. My chapter has the tradition of having the
big sis string yarn around thge house, bushes, etc. The little sister has
to follow it to find her big sis. Also, when I talk with friends in other
houses, they say, "the only hazing is receiving presents from my big sis.
It's horrible..." <note of sarcasm there...> So hazing is not a major
problem. Most fraternitites do it here, but it is such a minor form of
hazing that I don't think it is such "a horrible activity." One of the
types of hazing is moving the "rocks." There are these rocks off of I-80
(between Davis and Sacramento) and every house (as well as organizations
around the Davis/Sac area) move them into letters...their letters....we
were thinking of doing it, but it would be actives doing it...hardly
harmful!
- - - - - - - -
Elizabeth Connolly
Alpha Omicron Pi
XA Chapter
University of California, Davis
Nikhiles Lombard
Who said hazing was not a problem.
This is a good example of an ignorant post.
It is nice to tell us that your school has a problem with Hazing but what
does this have to do with my school. In my post I said i know of three
out of 12 house that Haze and 6 that do not and the other three i am not
sure about. What I consider hazing is forcing a pledge to do something
they don't want to. Two of the houses that I consider houses that Haze
make thier pledge shovel snow and clean around thier dumpster, the other
house do some weird shit but I don't know what it is.
I am sick of this generalzation and it is a form of prejudice. Not all
GLO's haze and I bet it less than 40% do and the number is going down.
Some of the "hazing" done is nothing worse than many sports teams,
What Bill parcells - does to the first Round draft pick
My school soccer team - made new Varsity members Shave thier legs
I would not be surprised if more varsity teams hazed more than
Fraternities.
On Tue, 6 Aug 1996, Hippie Chick wrote:
> Everyone assumes that all glos haze because most do...and in the past,
> all of them did until they got in trouble with their nationals, or killed
> a pledge by accident...so that assumption is not totally without basis,
> and even though my sorority doesn't haze, they wish they could. Hazing
> is very much a reality at my university, as we lost a bright young man
> last year to hazing. In the past ten years we've had houses burned to
> the ground, a few young men die, women rushed to the hospital with
> alcohol poisoning, and multiple wrongful death and/or injury lawsuits.
> Don't trivialize hazing, it's a serious business, and it does happen.
> It's very much a reality all over America.
>
Hazing is a major problem at you University and at other Universities as
well I am sure but no at every one and not at most of them.
I am not saying that my school is Hazing free but MOST!!! of the houses on
my campus don't haze.
Nik
Elizabeth Connolly
Didn't your initiation come AFTER your pledging period (the time when
people are hazed)?????
Elizabeth Connolly
That was unneccessary Hippie....ignorance is an inability to learn and
retain info. She used the wrong terminology...she should have said you
were uneducated in the matter...
MTG10
In article <Pine.ULT.3.95.96080...@garden.WPI.EDU>,
Nikhiles Lombard <n...@wpi.edu> writes:
>It pisses me off that everyone is so sterotypical but that is life. just
>remember that those people that blast all GLO are nothing but Racist, it
>is just that no one really care about GLO uinless they were in GLO.
>
>
Uh, arn't you being stereotypical yourself? UNINFORMED=IGNORANT
The statement "...people who blast GLOs are nothing but Racist" is a
pretty dumb comment. It seems like you are angry, and I understand that,
but comments like you just made do nothing but harm the Greek System.
Rise above the pettieness and promote the positive instead of talking
about the Sororities on your campus who haze.
Shawn Grubb
Pi Kappa Phi
Zeta Lambda 164
Andy Koehler
> Michael Scott Vadon <va...@wam.umd.edu> wrote
> As for fraternity and sorority hazing, I do not believe in
> physical or mental hazing. Meaning, I do not believe in hitting or
> hurling two bit insults at pledges. I, however, do believe that new
> members of an organization should be doing more work than than the older
> members. I don't think there is anything wrong with the pledges setting
> or cleaning up a party. I also don't think there is anything wrong with
> the pledges cleaning up the house or yard. I do believe that this kind
of
> work be part of a new membership program.
> Before anyone says "Oh my god! Thats hazing!", I have to remind
> everyone that every organization, whether it be Xerox or Nabisco, treats
> its new members like this. Its very reasonable to ask the new members
> to take upon routine work or chores, as long as it doesn't involve
> verbal or physical abuse/violence.
>
> Mike
>
I must respectfully dissagree with you, Mike. I don't necessarily think
that making pledges do yardwork or do all the work at parties is hazing,
but I think that it can harm recruitment. My chapter used to haze a
little bit, but we have completely phased out all hazing/forced work etc.
I know that if I had to be the chapter's slave when I pledged, I would
have been gone just like that. I guess you can ask your pledges to do
anything you want to, but don't expect them to want to do it just to get
into your organization. I wouldn't have. Of all the things I treasure,
my personal freedom is probably #1. I have talked to quite a few
perspectives during rush weeks in the past who said that if they had to do
any of the things that you mention, they would not consider pledging our
house. Also, not all houses treat their new members like this. As a
matter of fact, quite a few don't, and I think that it's a step in the
right direction.
Andy
Mike S. Grant
omicron kappa (ok24...@popalex1.linknet.net) wrote:
: Andy Koehler wrote:
: >
: > > Michael Scott Vadon <va...@wam.umd.edu> wrote
Scott,
I have to agree with Andy. This forced work of pledges is
bullshit. I have heard all the arguements for it.
"They have to earn our letters."
I never understood this one. Every pledge has to earn his
letters, but you can be a lazy ass once you get them?! What is the
deal. In my Chapter, you have to earn your letters everyday. Making
the pledges do work just leads to resentment and pledge class cliques.
Face it, your fucking lazy, and if you can get the pledges to do the
work, you'll do it. The only reason the pledges do it is because they
know that if they make it, they can force future pledges to go through
what they did. Thats fucking sick. Brothers are supposed to work side
by side, not one over the other.
"It teaches responsibility."
If it taught you responsibility, how come you're sitting on
your ass, watching the pledges work?.
"I had to do it, why shouldn't they?"
Grow up!
M. Grant
Sigma Pi
Oakland University
omicron kappa
Well Andy, I am Afraid that I have to agree with Mike on this one. New
member and pledges should be required to do a little bit more than the
older members. Especially pledges, they way I see it is. if a pledge
can not give up a little bit of time to help out around the house then
he does not have enough respect for the chapter to be come active and
wear our letter in public. we look for people who are willing to make a
little bit of a sacrifice for other, both in and out of the fraternity,
and their willingness to help out is a pretty good judge of how they
stand on that subjuct.
Scott
TKE
USL
Michael Scott Vadon
[ I would have included the the threads on this one, but they are
too long and I thought I would spare everyone.]
The best way for new members to learn the aspects of the chapter
is through doing. Having the pledges plan, coordinate, and clean up
social events will teach them exactly what it takes to make it happen.
Having the pledges manage the common, everyday, routine business of the
house, such as yardwork, will teach them exactly what it takes to keep a
house running. If a pledge does no work, then how will they learn the
routine business of the house? Running a house is difficult and not
glamorous work and the pledges need to be shown this. I'm sorry if it
involves some messy work, but this is the real stuff. It takes real, get
down on your knees and scrub work to keep it all going. Not everyone can
chair the homecoming committee and meet with all those good looking women.
Some people here say that this is "forced work" or "slavery", but
it certainly is not. In any organization or company around the world, new
members are expected to do more work than the older, experienced
members. Whether it be the Boy Scouts or working for Chrysler or being
elected as the new senator, new members are expected to take on the
unglamorous, routine tasks. If I was elected senator for the first time,
I would be expected to be on committees and do other shit work that the
older senators do not want to do. If you join any type of formalized
organization, you should expect to be doing unglamorous work for a
while. Rushees who don't want to do this work are simply not living in
the real world. Try working for Hewlett Packard with this attitude and
see how far you will get your first week. Having a pledge do some
routine work also trains them for the real world.
Mike
user...@user1.channel1.com
I don't think there is anything wrong with the pledges setting
> or cleaning up a party. I also don't think there is anything wrong with
> the pledges cleaning up the house or yard. I do believe that this kind of
> work be part of a new membership program.
> Before anyone says "Oh my god! Thats hazing!", I have to remind
> everyone that every organization, whether it be Xerox or Nabisco, treats
> its new members like this. Its very reasonable to ask the new members
> to take upon routine work or chores, as long as it doesn't involve
> verbal or physical abuse/violence.
>
new members to do their share of work, i.e. setting up/cleaning up
parties, or keeping the house clean; only if that is a requirement for
all members of the fraternity/sorority. It's unfair to expect new
members to carry the weight of a whole chapter. If you ask them to do
something that the general membership doesn't do, or doesn't have to do,
that is still hazing - especially if it is mandatory.
--Marcie
Phi Sigma Sigma, Beta '94
Red Dog
>>> I, however, do believe that new
> > > members of an organization should be doing more work than than the older
> > > or cleaning up a party. I also don't think there is anything wrong with
> > > the pledges cleaning up the house or yard. I do believe that this kind of
> > > work be part of a new membership program.
> > > Before anyone says "Oh my god! Thats hazing!", I have to remind
> > > everyone that every organization, whether it be Xerox or Nabisco, treats
> > > its new members like this. Its very reasonable to ask the new members
> > > to take upon routine work or chores, as long as it doesn't involve
> > > verbal or physical abuse/violence.
> > > Mike
> Well Andy, I am Afraid that I have to agree with Mike on this
one. New
> member and pledges should be required to do a little bit more than the
> older members. Especially pledges, they way I see it is. if a pledge
> can not give up a little bit of time to help out around the house then
> he does not have enough respect for the chapter to be come active and
> wear our letter in public. we look for people who are willing to make a
> little bit of a sacrifice for other, both in and out of the fraternity,
> and their willingness to help out is a pretty good judge of how they
> stand on that subjuct.
>
> Scott
> TKE
> USL
I have to agree with both Mike and Andy on this point. when I pledged,
there was a friend who was offered a bid and accepted. When it came time
for us to go through the process of learning about the fraternity and
study hours and such, he would always skip out and not even bother to come
up with a reasonable excuse for why he didn't show. Eventually he was let
go from the pledge class. He did not have a problem with it however. he
made a personal decision about the fraternity. He felt that he did not
need to join the fraternity in order to gain friends which, I think was
the main reason that he joined. Many of our crew were either transfering
or graduating and he was worried about not having any friends the next
year.
I do not think that having the pledges do menial chores around the
house or setting up and breaking down a party to be a big deal. Without
seeing what they are willing to do to better the fraternity while they are
prospective brothers, you will have no idea whether they will be brothers
that will be willing to go the extra mile for the fraternity.
$.02
Red Dog
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omicron kappa <ok24...@popalex1.linknet.net> wrote:
Pledges should be hard workers too. We all should work hard at our
respective fraternities.
Carcharodon Carcharias
SHARK®
Hiya Scott. What's Shakin'? Not much is new here. Listen, the reason I
dropped this leittle letter to you is that I would love to hear more
about your chapter.
<snippy>
In my Chapter, you have to earn your letters everyday. Brothers
are supposed to work side
>by side, not one over the other.
<creative snippy>
It would seem that you have the perfect chapter that the rest of use
strive for. However did you overcome all the problems and difficulties
of men living and working together? You really have to let us in on
your secret. Hell, global peace might just be at stake here.
Carcharodon Carcharias
Andy Koehler
> sh...@wwdc.com (SHARKŽ) wrote in article
>
> Pledges should be hard workers too. We all should work hard at our
> respective fraternities.
>
> Carcharodon Carcharias
>
I think that the key word here is "too". Yes, we should all work hard in
our fraternities, not just the pledges. When we clean our house, or work
out in the yard, we are all out there doing it together. It's really a
good way to build brotherhood, working together, and nobody feels
inferior.
Andy Koehler
> Michael Scott Vadon <va...@wam.umd.edu> wrote in article <
>
> The best way for new members to learn the aspects of the chapter
> is through doing. Having the pledges plan, coordinate, and clean up
> social events will teach them exactly what it takes to make it happen.
There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't think that they should be
expected to do everything by themselves with respect to coordinating
parties. Our pledges had a large hand in helping with this sort of thing
last year, but they didin't have the experience that the rest of us had to
know where to get sound/light/etc. for a party. They also didin't know
about university rules and regs. regarding parties (and there are a lot of
them it seems like).
> Having the pledges manage the common, everyday, routine business of the
> house, such as yardwork, will teach them exactly what it takes to keep a
> house running. If a pledge does no work, then how will they learn the
> routine business of the house? Running a house is difficult and not
> glamorous work and the pledges need to be shown this. I'm sorry if it
> involves some messy work, but this is the real stuff. It takes real,
get
> down on your knees and scrub work to keep it all going.
I dissagree. I don't think you can call yardwork "house business". I
think anyone with any sense and who didn't grow up with a silver spoon in
their mouth knows how to do yardwork, how to clean a toilet, how to
sweep/mop a floor etc etc. I don't think making pledges go out by
themselves and do yardwork is going to "teach" them anything except that
they are held in lower regard than the rest of the members in the house.
Yes, there are aspects of running a house that can be difficult such as
doing the accounting work, recruitment,. public relations and other stuff,
but I don't think that making pledges do cleaning/yardwork without the
help of the actives is going to help much with that. And I doubt that you
make pledges do finances or anything as serious as that by themselves
without any help. You can't because they don't have any idea how to do
it, and they would most assuredly screw things up. I still think that if
you make them do yardwork by themselves, you are only doing it to make
them respect the actives or to "earn" their letters. Well, while the
pledges are out there "earning" their letters, where are the actives? My
guess is inside knocking back a few cold ones while the pledges work their
asses off. Now that's earning their letters, isn't it?
> Some people here say that this is "forced work" or "slavery", but
> it certainly is not. In any organization or company around the world,
new
> members are expected to do more work than the older, experienced
> members. Whether it be the Boy Scouts or working for Chrysler or being
> elected as the new senator, new members are expected to take on the
> unglamorous, routine tasks. If I was elected senator for the first
time,
> I would be expected to be on committees and do other shit work that the
> older senators do not want to do. If you join any type of formalized
> organization, you should expect to be doing unglamorous work for a
> while. Rushees who don't want to do this work are simply not living in
> the real world. Try working for Hewlett Packard with this attitude and
> see how far you will get your first week. Having a pledge do some
> routine work also trains them for the real world.
No, yardwork, doesn't train you for the real world. No offense, but this
sounds just like excuses to me. The difference is, freshman senators, and
HP's new engineers aren't going to be doing janitorial work. They will be
doing something much more important for their company or their country. I
think that you made a good point with the senators. I think some of the
lazy dinosaurs that we have in the US senate have been there so long that
they dont' want to leave. And they like it at the top. They don't have
to work as hard, and they don't want to work hard when they can have
someone else do the work for them. Sounds a lot like some fraternities I
know. This is one of the reasons that some politicians have such a bad
rep... because they don't want to work, and it's at the expense of others.
I think whether you are a pledge or a member of a house, if you are not
willing to put in a little work for your beloved house, then you are not
giving as much as you should. Earning your letters is not a one time
thing.
Andy
SHARK®
Michael Scott Vadon <va...@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
>[ I would have included the the threads on this one, but they are
>too long and I thought I would spare everyone.]
Well there's a freakin' first...
Try working for Hewlett Packard with this attitude and
>see how far you will get your first week.
Considering one of the founders was a brother I think I'd do fine. He
died just recently, my respects.
Carcharodon Carcharias
Andy Koehler
> Well Andy, I am Afraid that I have to agree with Mike on this one. New
> member and pledges should be required to do a little bit more than the
> older members.
I don't think I said otherwise. I think that they should do a little bit
more, but they shouldn't be doing all the dirty work by themselves.
That's ridiculous. Anyone who says that making people do a bunch of lousy
gruntwork is going to make them respect a house, or that it will make them
earn their letters is lying to themselves. It serves one purpose: to
give actives power over other people.
>Especially pledges, they way I see it is. if a pledge
> can not give up a little bit of time to help out around the house then
> he does not have enough respect for the chapter to be come active and
> wear our letter in public.
I think that the same is true for actives. We have had people in our
house in the past who thought that the pledges should do all the shitwork,
and they were some of the biggest lazy asses that I've ever met. They had
no right to tell anyone what to do. I think that if you, as an active, do
not help around the house as well, then you do not deserve to wear your
letters either.
>we look for people who are willing to make a
> little bit of a sacrifice for other, both in and out of the fraternity,
> and their willingness to help out is a pretty good judge of how they
> stand on that subjuct.
So once someone becomes active, you don't want them to make sacrifices
anymore? What's the point of joining a house if you aren't going to make
sacrifices and do all you can for your chapter for the duration of your
membership? I think people like this don't value the true meaning of
their brotherhood.
Sorry if I offend. I mean no disrespect, but I feel very strongly about
this.
Andy
Sigma Phi Epsilon
CO Delta
Hippie Chick
Ann.....gee, one couldn't possibly interpret your mail as a threat eh? I
won't tell you what group I belong to, because as you said, nobody in
the real world cares what group you belong to. Let's just say I don't
belong to either yours or any of the groups I listed. Tell the
nationals hippie chick said, "go fuck yourself."
Hippie Chick
Why are you getting so defensive about it? You sound like you have
something to hide. Nobody cares about hazing, nobody cares about
glos....and why should they? They're pointless organizations working
towards a common goal: elitism. Yeah, once in a while you see the
sorority that is really close and good friends and all that, but speaking
from personal experience, I can safely say those are few and far
between. Once you get out of college, the only people that care about
glos are the former members of glos, which I'm happy to say, are a very
small minority in the United States today. A sorority went down this
summer at my university, and I'm glad. I wish they'd all shut down.
They're pointless and stupid, and their day has passed. Blathering about
how FEW glos haze nowadays is both fruitless and ignorant. Everyone
knows most do, and even the glos that deny it haze. VERY few glos don't
haze. VERY VERY few. And, if you see that the world is prejudiced
against you for being a part of a glo, well, it's for good reason. Don't
go thinking for yourself, now....you might hurt yourself. *Patronizing
pat on the head*
Hippie Chick
You got it shark. If everyone here just would realize that I know
everything, my life would be a lot easier! *wink*
Jonathan M. Rhoades
The Canatonical List of Sorority Girl Jokes
1. Q: What do you say to a sorority girl that won't give in?
A: "Have another beer."
2. Q: Why does a sorority girl wear underwear?
A: To keep her ankles warm.
3. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a Rolls Royce?
A: Not everybody has been in a Rolls Royce.
4. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a toilet?
A: A toilet doesn't follow you around after you use it.
5. Q: What does a sorority girl put behind her ears to make her look
more attractive?
A: Her ankles.
6. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a bowling ball?
A1: You can only put three fingers in a bowling ball.
A2: You could eat a bowling ball if you had to.
A3. You can't fit a sorority girl inside a bowling ball.
A4. There is no difference. They're both round and have three holes
to poke.
7. Q: How are a bowling ball and a sorority girl alike?
A: You can pick them up, stick your fingers in them, and throw them
in the gutter and they'll always come back.
8. Q: What is the difference between sorority girls and hookers?
A: Sorority girls cost less per score.
9. Q: What is the difference between a sorority girl and an elephant?
A: About 40 pounds.
Q2: How do you equalize the two?
A2: Feed the elephant.
10. Q: What is the first thing that a sorority girl does in the morning?
A1: Introduces herself.
A2: Walks home.
11. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and the Titanic?
A: Only 1500 went down on the Titanic.
12. Q: How can you tell if a sorority girl has achieved orgasm?
A: She drops her nail file.
13. Q: What's a sorority girl's favorite wine?
A: "Daaaaaaady, I want to go to Mi-ammmmmmi."
14. Q: What do you get when you cross a sorority girl with an ape?
A: Don't know. There's only so much an ape can be forced to do...
15. Q: Why is a sorority girl like a door knob?
A: 'Cause everybody gets a turn.
16. Q: How do you get a sorority girl in your bed?
A: Grease her hips so she'll fit through the door, and throw a
twinke on the bed.
17. Q: Did you hear about the new sorority girl doll?
A: You put a ring on her finger and her hips expand.
18. Q: What's the difference between sorority girls and garbage?
A: Garbage gets taken out once a week.
19. Q: What do you call a 100 sorority girls bathing on a beach in Cuba?
A: Bay of Pigs.
20. Q: What do you call a sorority girl hang-gliding festival?
A: Multiple total eclipses.
21. Q: What is a sorority girl's mating call?
A: "I'm sooooooo drunk, I'm sooooooo drunk."
22. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a dog?
A: Driver's will swerve to miss the dog.
23. Q: Why is a sorority girl like railroad tracks?
A: 'Cause she's been laid all over the country.
24. Q: What three words will a sorority girl never hear?
A: "Attention K-Mart shoppers."
25. Q: How many sorority girls does it take to change a light bulb?
A1: 1, she holds on to it, and the world revolves around her.
A2: 2, one to hold the Diet Pepsi, and one to call Daaaddy.
A3: 6, one to screw it in, and five to make T-shirts.
A4: 7, one to change it, and six to go out and buy more Diet Pepsi.
A5: 10, Nine to stand around scratching their heads, and one to get
her boyfriend to do it.
A6: 65, one to change it, and 64 to sing and clap.
26. Q: Why does a sorority girl close her eyes during sex?
A: So she can fantasize about shopping.
27. Q: What is a sorority girl's favorite position?
A: Facing Bloomingdale's.
28. Q: What is the difference between a sorority girl and Jell-o?
A: Jell-o wiggles when you eat it.
29. Q: What do you call a sorority girl's waterbed?
A1: Lake Placid.
A2: The Dead Sea.
30. Q: How do you know when a sorority girl is a nymphomaniac?
A: She'll make love the same day she had her hair done.
31. Q: What's a sorority girl's idea of natural childbirth?
A: No make-up.
32. Q: How do you prevent a sorority girl from having sex?
A: Marry her.
33. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a broom closet?
A: Only two men fit inside a broom closet at once.
34. Q: What is foreplay for a sorority girl?
A: Thirty minutes of begging.
35. Q: What's the difference between a sorority and a circus?
A: A circus is a cunning array of stunts.
36. Q: What does a sorority girl make for dinner?
A: Reservations.
37. Q: How is a sorority girl like a vacuum?
A1: They both suck.
Q2: How are they different?
A1: You can buy a new vacuum when you get sick of it.
A2: You can buy a new vacuum when it no longer sucks.
A3: When a vacuum cleaner is full of shit, it's easy to dump the old
bag.
A4: A vacuum cleaner can't suck a golf ball through a garden hose.
A5: A vacuum cleaner can't suck start a Harley.
38. Q: How do you get four sorority girls on one chair?
A1: Tell them there is a rich guy sitting on it.
A2. Turn the chair over, and put one on each leg.
39. Q: What's the difference between a sorority track team and a tribe
of sly pygmies?
A: The tribe of sly pygmies are a bunch of cunning runts.
40. Q: What does the Bermuda Triangle and sorority girls have in common?
A: They've both swallowed a lot of semen.
41. Q: Why does a sorority girl wear a gold diaphragm?
A: So her boyfriend will think he is coming into money.
42. Q: What did the sorority girl say when she knocked over the
priceless Ming vase?
A: "It's OK Daddy, I'm not hurt."
43. Q: What's the difference between a prostitute, a nymphomaniac, and a
sorority girl?
A: A prostitute says, "Are you done yet?", a nymphomaniac says,
"You're done already?", and a sorority girl says, "Beige...I think I'll
paint the ceiling beige."
44. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a rooster?
A: In the morning, a rooster says, "Cock'll-doodl-doooo", while a
sorority girl says, "Any-cock'll-doooo."
45. Q: What do you call 24 sorority girls walking down the street?
A: A case of Schlitz.
46 Q: How does a sorority girl commit suicide?
A: She gathers her clothes into a pile and jumps off.
47. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a phone booth?
A1: You need a quarter to use the phone.
A2. Only one person can use the phone at once.
48. Q: What do you get when you cross a lawyer with a sorority girl?
A1: Nothing. There are some things a sorority girl won't do.
A2: Don't know, but it sure enjoys screwing people.
A3: Don't know, but when it sucks your cock, it doesn't stop until it
gets blood.
49. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a baracuda?
A: Nail polish.
50: Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and parsely?
A: You don't eat parsely.
51. Q: Why are a tampon and a sorority girl similar?
A: They are both stuck up cunts.
52. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a Porsche?
A: You can only fit two people in a Porsche.
53. Q: What's a sorority girl's favorite credit card?
A: Daddy's.
54. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a freezer?
A: The freezer is 10 degrees warmer.
55. Q: What's the difference between a sorority girl and a whale?
A: The moustache.
56. Q: What is a sorority girl's definition of kinky sex?
A: She moves.
57. Q: Why do sorority girls like their men circumsized?
A: They like anything that's 20% off.
58. Q: How does a sorority girl do it doggie style?
A: Her lover sits up and begs while she rolls over and plays dead.
Candi Golightly
On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Hippie Chick wrote:
> summer at my university, and I'm glad. I wish they'd all shut down.
> They're pointless and stupid, and their day has passed. Blathering about
Then why are you trying to save yours?
- candace
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Michael Scott Vadon
On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Nikhiles Lombard wrote:
> they don't want to. Two of the houses that I consider houses that Haze
> make thier pledge shovel snow and clean around thier dumpster, the other
> house do some weird shit but I don't know what it is.
I say get all the brothers with fat guts to shovel the snow.
They need the exercise. . .
Mike
Michael Scott Vadon
On Sat, 10 Aug 1996, Andy Koehler wrote:
> I dissagree. I don't think you can call yardwork "house business". I
> think anyone with any sense and who didn't grow up with a silver spoon in
> their mouth knows how to do yardwork, how to clean a toilet, how to
> sweep/mop a floor etc etc. I don't think making pledges go out by
Hahaha! I guess I'm the one that gets stuck with the apartment
mates who don't know how to do simple things like use a dishwasher or take
out the trash. When I was in the army, it seemed like a lot of guys just
didn't know how to do yardwork or clean a toilet. They learned quick
though. . .
So who do you propose do the work? The 4 year graduating seniors
that have already put much time, work, and energy into the house? It
makes simple sense to make the new members do the menial tasks and once
they are brothers, they will never do it again. Its work that has to be
done. Hiring help is expensive.
Mike
KAOSLO1
Ok, now we need the Fraternity Guy joke list. Fair is Fair.
SHARK®
"Jonathan M. Rhoades" <Rhoa...@MiamiU.MUOhio.edu> wrote:
>The Canatonical List of Sorority Girl Jokes
> 1. Q: What do you say to a sorority girl that won't give in?
> A: "Have another beer."
> 2. Q: Why does a sorority girl wear underwear?
> A: To keep her ankles warm.
**puts on a falme proof suit**
I pity you guy. You can kiss it goodbye when the sororities read this.
(still chuckling though)
Carcharodon Carcharias
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You haven't heard of DejaNews, have you?
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Candi Golightly
Well... that might have been funny if they weren't 90% recycled blonde,
jap, and wife jokes that most everyone has heard 1,000 times.
Anyway, speaking as a sorority girl who cooks very well and has a very
tiny waist, thank you.... what's wrong with calling Daddy when something
goes wrong, anyway?
JJJBird76
I go to American University and contrary to what Mike thinks, no sorority
forces girls to roll around in feces.
Howard
>On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, Nikhiles Lombard wrote:
>> they don't want to. Two of the houses that I consider houses that Haze
>> make thier pledge shovel snow and clean around thier dumpster, the other
>> house do some weird shit but I don't know what it is.
Never any snow down here to shovel. I guess only Yankee pledges have to do
that *hehehhe* *couldnt pass that one up*
--
Howard L. Rushing
Sigma Alpha Mu - Beta Rho (U of Houston)
and a Proud NRA Member
Nikhiles Lombard
On Sun, 11 Aug 1996, Hippie Chick wrote:
> Why are you getting so defensive about it? You sound like you have
> something to hide. *******Nobody cares about hazing, nobody cares about
> glos....and why should they?*******
Why are you here, why do you bother to read this newsgroup, you must have
some kind of life. How can you not find anything better to do other than
post to a newsgroup you don't care about.
They're pointless organizations working
> towards a common goal: elitism. Yeah, once in a while you see the
> sorority that is really close and good friends and all that, but speaking
> from personal experience, I can safely say those are few and far
> between. Once you get out of college, the only people that care about
> glos are the former members of glos, which I'm happy to say,
** are a very small minority in the United States today.**
Small minority in the US
But when you look at a list of CEO's and Presidents of many fortune 500
companies you will see a much higher percentage of members of GLO's.
Our small minority is doing very well thank you.
A sorority went down this
> summer at my university, and I'm glad. I wish they'd all shut down.
> They're pointless and stupid, and their day has passed. Blathering about
> how FEW glos haze nowadays is both fruitless and ignorant. Everyone
> knows most do, and even the glos that deny it haze. VERY few glos don't
> haze. VERY VERY few.
*) Obviously the omnipresent Hippechic knows everything about every GOL's
in the country and has tons of charts that prove that very very few GLO's
don't haze. **
Unfortunatly I don't have acess to theese charts and i can only go be
personal experience.
The only thing I can deduce is that some house haze and some don't and I
would think at worst 60% of GLO's haze, which is less than athletic teams.
Of course I don't have access to the hippechics library where she has put
together the statistics from her US tour of every GLO.
Thank you hippechic for spending all your time researching a subject that
you don't care about.
And, if you see that the world is prejudiced
> against you for being a part of a glo, well, it's for good reason. Don't
> go thinking for yourself, now....you might hurt yourself. *Patronizing
> pat on the head*
>
And yes I relize that the hippechic proably does not care either way and
she has no life or just likes to be a devil's advocate.
Nik
Hippie Chick
Nik, FYI, I don't even like to post to alt.college.sororities, sometimes
I like to read it to get a good laugh. These people have pathetic
problems that have nothing to do with real life and the real world. My
greek experience has been a real eye-opener...it has made me realize that
there are a lot of mediocre people connecting themselves all the way to
the top through dipshit unnecessary organizations. As for the academic
merit of sororities, well, there is none. All they do is take up your
time and make you work hard to get to know people who otherwise wouldn't
give you the time of day. I'mnot proud to be in a sorority, but I can't
quit...they won't let me out. I haven't paid my dues in a million years
and they still keep me in. It must be my ebullient personality. I don't
ever plan on wearing my badge, or visiting my house again. Frankly, I'm
embarassed to be in a sorority and I wish I'd never joined. I think if I
hadn't it would be positively reflected in my mental state and on my
grade report.
Michael Scott Vadon
On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Nikhiles Lombard wrote:
> *) Obviously the omnipresent Hippechic knows everything about every GOL's
> in the country and has tons of charts that prove that very very few GLO's
> don't haze. **
The problem is that there is no solid definition of hazing. In my
opinion, hazing is the physical or verbal abuse of another individual.
While we can all agree on my definition, some people's definitions differ.
Some people will say that having the pledges donate blood at the local
blood drive is hazing. Others will say that making the pledges come to
social/business functions or having them perform some community service is
hazing.
It is my opinion that such things as volunteering at the local
soup kitchen or donating blood be a part of the pledge program. It
improves the community this way.
Mike
Hippie Chick
WSR, isn't it just too bad that I had to go here then :) Maybe when I'm
about 75 I'll have lukewarm emotions about my sorority...until then they
can kiss my happy white ass.
John Aaron Atkins
While working for my fraternity a couple of years ago, the definition of
hazing that I used when dealing with chpts was simply that if you were
hesitant or reluctant to let your charges' mothers see what they were having
to do, then it would probably constitute hazing. Requiring pledges to do
community service or pitch in after a party isn't hazing. Making them sell
sheet of toliet paper on Pier 39 at 6am while in bath robes for a nickel each
most definitely is, IMHO (I actually saw that happen many years ago).
The act of requiring them to do activities doesn't constitute hazing. It is
what is asked of them that could be considered hazing...
Andy Koehler
> Hippie Chick <ch...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote in article
<Pine.SOL.3.91.960814...@piglet.cc.utexas.edu>...
This seems to be the sentiments of most sorority members that I've met.
My girlfriend wishes that she hadn't joined her sorority because most of
the girls won't even say hi to her on campus because they only talk to the
people in their own click (I don't know how to spell that correctly). My
cousin had the same problem in her sorority. Why are sororities like this
moreso than fraternities? Maybe it's just that way in my experience and
nobody elses, but we pretty much all get along great in my house. Once in
a while there will be a squabble when personalities collide, but never do
I pass a brother on the street and not even say hi to him.
Candi Golightly
I know you guys were just speaking from your own experience so this is
not a flame.
I just wanted to say that my sorority has been there for its members
through rapes, eating dissorders, and the lesser concerns of grades,
boyfriends, etc that face college women.
My sorority has been a positive experience in my life and in the lives of
most the people in my chapter. We have a very high pledge to initiation
retention and very few have ever had any desire to get out- Our
deactivation rate is next to nothing.
Many of my sisters have said that Kappa has at certain points in life
kept them going.
Oh, and we *all* have friends outside our chapter and the geek system in
general.
Andy Koehler
> John Aaron Atkins <jat...@mind.net> wrote in article
<321300...@mind.net>...
Nevermind hazing. What about respect for others? I don't believe that
having pledges do menial tasks is hazing, but I think that all you actives
out there who promote having the pledges do all the work while you sit on
your ass and laugh are a bunch of worthless sacks of shit. You are
hippocrites because you say that they have to "earn their letters" while
you do nothing to earn your letters after you are activated. What a
crock of shit. If everyone wants to work together, that's all fine and
good. I think that everyone should work hard so they have a reason to be
proud of their chapter. If one doesn't put any work into their house,
what does that person have to proud of? Nothing. I think that community
service is a good thing. But in my house, we all go out and do it
together. Those who choose not to go have that right, but they are looked
down upon for it, as well they should be.
Michael Scott Vadon
On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, John Aaron Atkins wrote:
> The act of requiring them to do activities doesn't constitute hazing. It is
> what is asked of them that could be considered hazing...
I think that many people do not want to have the pledges stand on
lesser ground than the brothers. Which is reasonable to a point. Its ok
to say that the pledges should be treated humanely, respectfully and
honorably. However, a pledge in every sense is only a probationary member
and not truly a brother. The pledge does not know the ritual or other
secrets the organization might hold. Certain business is kept hidden from
the pledge. The pledge is unlike the brother and is technically not on
the same ground.
Mike
Elizabeth Connolly
> This seems to be the sentiments of most sorority members that I've met.
> My girlfriend wishes that she hadn't joined her sorority because most of
> the girls won't even say hi to her on campus because they only talk to the
> people in their own click (I don't know how to spell that correctly). My
> cousin had the same problem in her sorority. Why are sororities like this
> moreso than fraternities? Maybe it's just that way in my experience and
> nobody elses, but we pretty much all get along great in my house. Once in
> a while there will be a squabble when personalities collide, but never do
> I pass a brother on the street and not even say hi to him.
Okay...let's begin with the fact that we are girls.....girls are
vindictive, snobby, gossipy, as well as many other bad characteristics.
We are these like guys are horney (in other words, many are, not all,
comprendes?). Most sororities are large, therefore cliques are going to
form naturally - cliques are the feminine way of life. Have you noticed
that girls can't go to the bathrooms by themselves? It is just our way of
life. My house is lucky - we are lucky and have pretty much been lucky to
escape cliques. Basically, I am saying that girls are the types to hold
grudges. If you do one little thing, we are going to be pissed for a bit
(and when I say little, I mean LITTLE). It is just in our nature to form
groups and to diss one who isn't in our group. I can't think of a better
way to explain the phenomenom (sp?). Don't forget - girls and boys are
different :)
- - - - - - - -
Elizabeth Connolly
Alpha Omicron Pi
XA Chapter
University of California, Davis
Deb Eater
While they're mostly pretty taste-less, we can't take ourselves too
seriously.
Actually I'm glad someone re-posted this list because I had forgotten the
one I wanted to share with my alum chapter. (I'm a terrible comedienne.
I always forget the punchlines. <cringe>)
Deborah Eater
SHARK®
Hippie Chick <ch...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
I'mnot proud to be in a sorority, but I can't
>quit...they won't let me out. I haven't paid my dues in a million years
>and they still keep me in. It must be my ebullient personality.
...might be your cute bum...I dunno...
Carcharodon Carcharias
Aioannides
mmmm...quite a sincere honest lady! no wonder you won't say which house
you belong to.
...if you really DO belong to a sorority!
Ann Ioannides, Miami, Florida........GO GATORS!! -=;==;<
Take your pick -- all email will get to me!
aioan...@aol.com ioa...@mail.firn.edu
Aioannides
when a sister want to go inactive, all she has to do is request alumna
status and it's usually granted.
of course, if you really knew about sororities, you'd know that too.
guess ya don't!
SHARK®
Hippie Chick <ch...@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:
See? I was right. It's gotta be the bum.
(see: "It's gotta be the shoes.")
Carcharodon Carcharias
Andy Koehler
> Okay...let's begin with the fact that we are girls.....girls are
> vindictive, snobby, gossipy, as well as many other bad characteristics.
No arguments here. That's exactly what my girlfriend said to me.
> We are these like guys are horney (in other words, many are, not all,
> comprendes?).
*laugh* si, comprendo.
>Most sororities are large, therefore cliques are going to
> form naturally - cliques are the feminine way of life. Have you noticed
> that girls can't go to the bathrooms by themselves?
damn I hate that. Why do you guys do that?
>It is just our way of
> life. My house is lucky - we are lucky and have pretty much been lucky
to
> escape cliques.
I'd say your house is really lucky. My gf's house is pretty small, I
think less than 30. And they have to my knowledge 4 definite cliques
(thanks for helping me on the spelling). For the most part, the only time
that anyone from one clique talks to someone in one of the other cliques
is when they have a house function and they have to talk to each other.
Basically, I am saying that girls are the types to hold
> grudges. If you do one little thing, we are going to be pissed for a
bit
> (and when I say little, I mean LITTLE). It is just in our nature to
form
> groups and to diss one who isn't in our group. I can't think of a
better
> way to explain the phenomenom (sp?). Don't forget - girls and boys are
> different :)
Very very very true.
Tuneka Tucker
In article <4v2nvb$8...@eis.wfunet.wfu.edu>, mcdo...@wfu.edu (Patrick J.
McDonough) writes:
|> NNTP-Posting-Host: ace35.wfunet.wfu.edu
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|>
|> Andy Koehler (akoe...@mines.edu) wrote:
|> : This seems to be the sentiments of most sorority members that I've
|> met.
|> : My girlfriend wishes that she hadn't joined her sorority because most
|> of
|> : the girls won't even say hi to her on campus because they only talk to
|> the
|> : people in their own click (I don't know how to spell that correctly).
|> My
|> : cousin had the same problem in her sorority. Why are sororities like
|> this
|> : moreso than fraternities? Maybe it's just that way in my experience
|> and
|> : nobody elses, but we pretty much all get along great in my house.
|> Once in
|> : a while there will be a squabble when personalities collide, but never
|> do
|> : I pass a brother on the street and not even say hi to him.
|> know only know the women in her "family" within the 120-girl group. I
|> know what's going on in all of my fraternity brother's lives. Never
|> will
|> I pass a brother without a handshake if I can help it.
|> Some of the guys are just arriving back on campus now, and many
|> of them have gone far out of their way to see me. I've been living a
|> mile off campus all summer. There is real brotherhood out there, even
|> though Greeks get a lot of bad press.
|>
|> --
|> Patrick J. McDonough
|>
--
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Tuneka Tucker
Building 19 Lobby Receptionist
Patrick J. McDonough
Steerr
In article <01bb8706.c02f4ee0$203a...@akoehler.mines.edu>, "Andy Koehler"
<akoe...@mines.edu> writes:
>Our pledges had a large hand in helping with this sort of thing
>last year, but they didin't have the experience that the rest of us had
to
>know where to get sound/light/etc. for a party. They also didin't know
>about university rules and regs. regarding parties (and there are a lot
of
>them it seems like).
This I agree with, and my house generally has older brothers supervise,
plan, and do more important things, while the pledges do the work. I find
nothing wrong with that. A new pledge doesn't know what to do at a large
party when working the front door, letting people in and checking ID's.
That's the responsibility of an older brother. But other jobs, like
serving, and security, a pledge can do. What we have, is a sign-up sheet.
Brothers only have to sign up for one time slot, pledges have to do two
time slots. And pledges, starting the second semester, were included in
with the regular work parties with the older brothers. With each group
being assigned a different list of clean-up jobs. Before that, pledges
only cleaned up after closed brother/pledge events.
But when it got to be February, and we were going to have a house
semi-formal, it was tradition for the pledge class to plan, set up, and
run that closed, invite only party. It wasn't as wild as a regular party,
as it had a sit-down dinner, too. We knew enough to do that, but regular
parties were kept to the Social Chair to plan.
>
>I don't think you can call yardwork "house business". I
>think anyone with any sense and who didn't grow up with a silver spoon in
>their mouth knows how to do yardwork, how to clean a toilet, how to
>sweep/mop a floor etc etc. I don't think making pledges go out by
>themselves and do yardwork is going to "teach" them anything except that
>they are held in lower regard than the rest of the members in the house.
Here is where I disagree. Maybe my house is an exception, but I don't
know. Tell me if you know how to rototill the sand in a volleyball court.
Do you know how to strip a floor? Wax and buff a floor without it looking
like s***? Polish brass so it shines? (Well, maybe that last one, but what
about the others?). All of these have to be done regularly at my house.
(Well, we strip the floors like every other month). In my pledge class,
there was only one pledge out of 16 that knew how to strip and wax a
floor. Some of the pledges couldn't control the buffer machine (we have
the dents in the second floor hallway to prove it). It's things like that
that need older brother guidance to start out, then have everyone practice
it so they get good at it. We have a rather elegant house (the first floor
at least), and we've had friends from fraternities down south that say
that our house makes some of the "good looking" houses down there pale in
comparison. (No offense intended to southern fraternities). We're proud of
our house, and we'd like to keep it the way it is. (Actually, we'd like to
repair the things that need fixing, but our budget doesn't allow it right
now). As I said, my house might be the exception, but I didn't seem
bothered by doing all the house work.
-Rob
Rensselaer Society of Engineers, RPI, Troy, NY
ste...@aol.com
[ste...@rpi.edu starting Aug. 19th]
Aioannides
Yes, I've added this one to my collection. I publish a email newsletter
for my sorority, Kappa Delta, & every so often, I mention that I have
these 'jokes'. I won't publish them in the newsletter, because it goes
out to women of all ages..even some national officers!
Elizabeth Connolly
> damn I hate that. Why do you guys do that?
In high school, when we all caravanned (sp?) to the bathroom, we'd tell
the guys that there were soda machines and couches inside. That was the
big draw. They believed it only because we tended to leave class for eons
and would return with a can of Pepsi (my school had Pepsi). They were so
curious, one day we convinced many to go in, but they were too scared.
Elizabeth Connolly
On 16 Aug 1996, Aioannides wrote:
> when a sister want to go inactive, all she has to do is request alumna
> status and it's usually granted.
>
> of course, if you really knew about sororities, you'd know that too.
> guess ya don't!
You really shouldn't make sweeping generalizations like that. My house
does differnt things. You can only go alum if you are graduating or have
been in the house for at least three years and are entering your fifth
year of college. If you want to become inactive, they begin a four month
process of deactivation.
Tikki tikki tembo-no sa rembo-chari bari ruchi-pip peri pembo
Candi Golightly <gelf...@pantheon.yale.edu> warbled:
>Many of my sisters have said that Kappa has at certain points in life
>kept them going.
I agree -- My sorority has kept me going through the hardest times.
>Oh, and we *all* have friends outside our chapter and the geek system in
>general.
We have strong ties to the geek system too: TAs in Computer Science
classes, consultants at the computer labs, friends who are total
computer geeks...
-joanna
--
]:o_ o/
|O = joanna l. salgado __ computer greek (delta gamma) ___|--
|_o= shower philosopher call...@leland.stanford.edu \
@ `
omicron kappa
Tuneka Tucker wrote:
>
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> McDonough) writes:
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>
> Tuneka Tucker
> Building 19 Lobby Receptionist
>
>
just chalked it up to the fact that Girls (women) were not designed to
be that close to each other, I am probably wrong. Like myo umost of the
sorority girls that I know only get along with the girls in their
clicks, and our campus supports five small houses (less than 50 members
each). The rest time they look for a reason to get the other girls in
trouble, i have seen this first hand only this week with AOPi's asking
for information on my ex-girlfriend just to get her in trouble. In my
chapter when someone has trouble or is getting into trouble we look for
ways to get him out not how to did him in deeper. After what I have seen
on my campus i often wonder at the meanin gof sisterhood as compared to
brotherhood.
-----------------------
Scott Stewart
TKE
USL
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9
(This does eventually touch on subject of Sorority Hazing at the bottom, you
just gotta keep reading.)
Mike-
I have to take exception to what you have stated as I believe it is
misleading and
possibly inaccurate.
You wrote:
> My experience in the Army was the ultimate hazing experience. I
>went through a combat arms-type Basic Training at Ft. Knox and Airborne
>school at Ft. Benning. Both these experiences were full of no holds
>barred hazing. They didn't really care about rules, regulations or laws
>concerning training. Anyone who complained was not listened to. Imagine
>going through hazing from dawn to dusk. Yes, people do get killed during
>the military training, at least 1 or 2 a month, but it never makes the
>presses as the Army hides and covers-up everything.
>
I doubt your Army experience was the "ultimate". West Point (4 years of it)
Ranger
school or SEAL training is far more intense and combat is the ultimate haze.
The
hazing is not "no holds barred" at all. "They", I assume you mean the
Airborne and
Drill instructors, do care a lot about rules and regulations. There are
very, very
rare exceptions in a population of thousands but that is to be expected. The
reason
many recruits believe that they don't care is due to the many "barracks
lawyers" that
spread rumors like, "they're not allowed to take meals away from us" or "they
aren't
allowed to haze us after two in the morning", when those individuals do not
know the
regs. By the way, the leaders are not there to hear soldiers complain. Do
you think
I want to hear a complaint when I politely ask a Private to carry his rifle
or
machine gun into hostile territory; that is not a paradigm that the military
can
afford. Imagine going thru hazing for 20 hours a day for 8 weeks (Ranger) or
72
hours at a span (Recon).
As for violations of regulations, any recruit may go to the Chaplain, the Inspector
General or write his Congressman and invoke a Congressional investigation. It is
very difficult to cover things up in the Army with the many levels of oversight and
scrutiny. Believe me. Yes, it can be done on a very small scale or when Commander
is weak or inept and certainly not all Officers and NCO's are perfect.
Please cite an example of a troop getting killed that did not make the papers. That
is a bald faced lie. It is amazing that there are not more deaths and injuries in
Military Training given the extremely dangerous nature inherent to the activity.
With the hundreds of thousands of troops that bivouac outside at night in all
weather, interface with heavy equipment, razor wire, explosives and firearms, if the
Army or other services were lax about rules and regulations, the results would be
disastrous. Accidents do in fact happen in training. I know of a soldier (Marine)
that died of exposure at the National Training Center at Fort Irvin and a couple who
died (hypothermia during a freak cold snap) during Ranger training in the Everglades.
The events are so rare, that individual cases are talked about for years.
Yes, plenty of soldiers get killed in vehicle accidents, etc. People get killed in
civilian vehicles too.
Most of the soldiers, officers and NCO's in the Army are professionals. I truly
believe that, after my ten years of service. I regret deeply if one of my colleagues
in arms treated you less than professionally during your term of service. Truly.
However, I think you are generalizing with very little real data.
For reference: Hazing in the military is a form of socialization. In a very short
time, Drill Instructors and Officers are required to take American men and women from
extremely diverse backgrounds and mold them into a cohesive disciplined unit that can
be counted on to act predictably under very harsh conditions. One of the goals in
Basic Training is Socialization (see Psych 101) which often begins with an "upsetting
experience" in which Reality and Expectations conflict. Unfortunately, one of the
most rapid ways to accomplish socialization is to tear down self-esteem and return it
as a reward for behavior desired by the organization. It is cruel, but not as cruel
as letting untrained recruits who are not clear about their responsibilities go into
a combat zone.
Another goal of BT is to determine fitness for combat. This is a VERY difficult
task. Nobody knows how other people will react under fire. In fact, few people know
how they themselves will react under fire. Since combat cannot be reproduced in
training (we can't shoot at you, although sometimes we'd like to---JUST KIDDING), the
stresses of combat are simulated through sleep deprivation, food deprivation,
physical exhaustion, and verbal abuse (in Ranger Training for example. This is well
known and briefed to Ranger initiates and their Moms and Dads and girlfriends. )
Another goal is to build unit cohesion. This is accomplished by offering a stressful
experience that is common to all trainees. In other words, when you get to your
post, you and the guys from Ft. Dix, and Ft. Benning all sit around and bitch about
how tough your BT was. Builds cameraderie, doesn't it? It is also accomplished by
forcing the trainees to be interdependent. Pvt. A screws up, Pvt. B does push ups.
Not fair, but you learn to pull together to help Pvt. A. Combat is not fair either.
By the way, the socialization goals and particularly the unit cohesion (cameraderie)
are also goals of Sororities and Fraternities and hazing was one of the traditional
methods of accomplishing this.
Once again, this is not a diatribe against you. I regret if you met with
unprofessional leaders. The quality of the Army, has in my opinion, declined with
the all Volunteer Army, and many other social experiments that Congress has chosen to
impose on the Services. So I agree there are some less than professional soldiers
out there. By the way, the Army works for Congress, it's amazing it is as efficient
as it is.
It is however, a small attempt to explain and support the efforts and activities of
my brothers and sisters in arms, and in no way condones any illegal or unauthorized
behavior on their part.
Airborne! Mike (still strikes a chord doesn't it, see it works)
9
Candi Golightly
On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, omicron kappa wrote:
> Don't worry it is not just you. I have noticed the same thing. I have
> just chalked it up to the fact that Girls (women) were not designed to
> be that close to each other, I am probably wrong. Like myo umost of the
> sorority girls that I know only get along with the girls in their
> clicks, and our campus supports five small houses (less than 50 members
> each). The rest time they look for a reason to get the other girls in
> trouble, i have seen this first hand only this week with AOPi's asking
> for information on my ex-girlfriend just to get her in trouble. In my
> chapter when someone has trouble or is getting into trouble we look for
> ways to get him out not how to did him in deeper. After what I have seen
> on my campus i often wonder at the meanin gof sisterhood as compared to
> brotherhood.
Was your ex in a different organization? Relations WITHIN my sorority are
great but I wish relations between sororities were better. I asked about
this in acs but got an almost fishy rosey picture... what do the guys
(and the gals) in this group think of inter-sororital relations on their
campus? How can you improve them?
We've tried several things such as joint projects but they invariably
fall through... but I'm not giving up hope yet.
Michael Scott Vadon
On 16 Aug 1996, Patrick J. McDonough wrote:
> I do NOT want to reduce this to a gender issue, but many Greek women I
> know only know the women in her "family" within the 120-girl group. I
> know what's going on in all of my fraternity brother's lives. Never will
> I pass a brother without a handshake if I can help it.
> Some of the guys are just arriving back on campus now, and many
> of them have gone far out of their way to see me. I've been living a
> mile off campus all summer. There is real brotherhood out there, even
> though Greeks get a lot of bad press.
Well, it isn't a sorority thing. When you have an organization
that is fairly large, its impossible to be close friends with everyone.
That is the true benefit of a fraternity that is under 50 guys. Everyone
knows each other a lot better than the fraternity across the road with
over 150 guys.
Mike
WaltersP
In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960817121452.17081B-100000@morpheus>, Candi
Golightly <gelf...@pantheon.yale.edu> writes:
>. what do the guys
>(and the gals) in this group think of inter-sororital relations on their
>campus? How can you improve them?
Perhaps because I go to a small school, inter-sororital relations are not
too bad. There are the occasional remarks about other groups, of course,
but people are not openly rude to one another, nor do they try to get
members of other groups into trouble. I think that groups are actually
really supportive of each other considering the obvious competition for a
limited number of rushees.
We have "Sister Sororities." For each term, groups are paired together
and are required by Panhellenic to have at least one mixer together during
the term. This works out well sometimes. We had a picnic once and the
groups each sat among their own sisters rather than mingling. The ice
skating party worked better.
Just a few ideas....hope they help.
Patty
Kappa Alpha Theta
Furman University
Tikki tikki tembo-no sa rembo-chari bari ruchi-pip peri pembo
aioan...@aol.com (Aioannides) warbled:
>In article <4v2pn8$7...@elaine56.Stanford.EDU>,
>call...@leland.Stanford.EDU writes:
>
>>We have strong ties to the geek system too: TAs in Computer Science
>>classes, consultants at the computer labs, friends who are total
>>computer geeks...
>
No, we're computer gReeks!
Candi Golightly
On 17 Aug 1996, WaltersP wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960817121452.17081B-100000@morpheus>, Candi
> Golightly <gelf...@pantheon.yale.edu> writes:
>
> >. what do the guys
> >(and the gals) in this group think of inter-sororital relations on their
> >campus? How can you improve them?
> We have "Sister Sororities." For each term, groups are paired together
> and are required by Panhellenic to have at least one mixer together during
> the term. This works out well sometimes. We had a picnic once and the
> groups each sat among their own sisters rather than mingling. The ice
> skating party worked better.
I think that's a great idea... I'll pass it on to our panhel rep.
Honestly though, her version of panhel is kind of frightenning. It seems
the other women rarely want to organize anything together and don't want
to improve relations... although individual members in other chapters
seem to like the idea. Oh well, I think the pair thing is cool but I have
one question- how many sororities are on your campus? We only have
four... I was just thinking it might make for a rather quick rotation.
Aioannides
>We have strong ties to the geek system too: TAs in Computer Science
>classes, consultants at the computer labs, friends who are total
>computer geeks...
Hey, some of us sorority chicks are computer geeks too! ;)
SHARK®
Michael Scott Vadon <va...@wam.umd.edu> wrote:
> Well, it isn't a sorority thing. When you have an organization
>that is fairly large, its impossible to be close friends with everyone.
>That is the true benefit of a fraternity that is under 50 guys. Everyone
>knows each other a lot better than the fraternity across the road with
>over 150 guys.
I have to agree. Smaller organizations seem more tight knit.
Carcharodon Carcharias
Howard
Here is my two cents
Relations between fraternities at UH are fairly good. Besides the
occasional brawl between a few chapters.
I could go up to any Greek man at UH and introduce myself, and it
is all good.
As far as sororities go, they all pretty much hate each other.
Of course there are exceptions.But for the most part, they do not
get along. More pride, boasting, and hate than I have ever witnessed
in my life.
--
Howard L. Rushing
Sigma Alpha Mu - Beta Rho (U of Houston)
and a Proud NRA Member
Nikhiles Lombard
I don't understand how you can group all GLO's together because you did
not like your experience. You don't know anything about my house but you
basicly say we suck. I don't say every house in the world is great
because I know there are better chapters and worse chapters. You might
not have like the Sorority you chose but you might have liked a different
one, or maybe you should not have gone greek at all but you don't seem to
have been through enough houses to have such a stereotypical attitude.
Don't say you read stories about GLO's because only the bad things get
written in the paper, no one writes about the chapters that help build low
income housing, or help run the special Olympics.
I know you don't care, you are being a Devil's Advocate and you get shits
and giggles from getting responses, but you must have a life, so read
alt.humor.funny instead. I must assume you have somthing to do but it
does not seem that way.
On Wed, 14 Aug 1996, Hippie Chick wrote:
> Nik, FYI, I don't even like to post to alt.college.sororities, sometimes
> I like to read it to get a good laugh. These people have pathetic
> problems that have nothing to do with real life and the real world. My
> greek experience has been a real eye-opener...it has made me realize that
> there are a lot of mediocre people connecting themselves all the way to
> the top through dipshit unnecessary organizations. As for the academic
> merit of sororities, well, there is none. All they do is take up your
> time and make you work hard to get to know people who otherwise wouldn't
> give you the time of day. I'mnot proud to be in a sorority, but I can't
> quit...they won't let me out. I haven't paid my dues in a million years
> and they still keep me in. It must be my ebullient personality. I don't
> ever plan on wearing my badge, or visiting my house again. Frankly, I'm
> embarassed to be in a sorority and I wish I'd never joined. I think if I
> hadn't it would be positively reflected in my mental state and on my
> grade report.
>
>
Hippie Chick
You don't even know why you're excited, do you? :)
user...@user1.channel1.com
> Was your ex in a different organization? Relations WITHIN my sorority are
> great but I wish relations between sororities were better. I asked about
> (and the gals) in this group think of inter-sororital relations on their
> campus? How can you improve them?
>
> fall through... but I'm not giving up hope yet.
>
defending sororities in light of something bad that happened in a fraternity. Of
course, being bonded only against fraternities wasn't a good thing, because it showed
division in the Greek system. There were always a few women who were good friends even
though they were in different sororities, but when it came right down to it, it was
every group for themselves, especially when it came to rush.
I agree with you that sororities need to work together. I think that everyone needs to
realize that if one group isn't successful then it reflects poorly on the whole system.
In most situations, it just takes one group to make the effort to really convince
another group to work together. If you come up with any good ideas, let us all know.
--Marcie Sabrin
Phi Sigma Sigma, Tufts '94
WaltersP
We have 7 sororities on campus.
Another thing we've done is a "Mega Mixer" where all greek women were
invited. I didn't go, but I heard that it was fun.
Patty
Kappa Alpha Theta, Zeta Pi
Furman University
William Morton
Nikhiles Lombard wrote:
>
> I think that hazing (at least by my national) is forcing someone to do
> somthing that is unbecoming of a gentleman.
Key word = "forcing." I'd agree with this so far, but hazing can
include other things too...
> And
> Forcing them to do thing that brothers don't have to do
> Carry a book, do house details, clean-up after parties ect. ect.
Ya lost my support there!!! Carry a book? As in, a Pledge Book? How
in the WORLD can that be considered hazing? Does it cause discomfort?
Does it embarass them? Subject them to ridicule? Is it dangerous?
NO! ALL of my brothers carried pledge books -- small notebooks that
they stuck in their back pockets like wallets. Not noticable to anyone,
not uncomfotable -- but there when they needed to refer to it. Our
pledges are expected to have that reference available to them as they go
through the learning process, and as it is an AID to them then there can
be nothing wrong with requiring them to carry the books.
> So according to my national it is not hazing to have pledges do details if
> a brother is doing it woith them, which makes sense so the brother can
> teach them how to do it right.
As for "house details," I'm guessing you're referring to things like
vacuuming, taking out the trash, etc??? SOMEONE has to do it, whether
it be a brother or a pledge, and it's pretty hard for a brother AND a
pledge to use a vacuum at the same time or carry the same bag of trash
out! Our pledges took care of those little details while they were in
their pledge period -- it gave them an opportunity to show some pride in
their house. But brothers obviously did it during all those periods
when we *had* no pledges, which was at least half the year if not more.
If your pledges need to be taught how to carry a bag of trash out, or
operate a vacuum cleaner, then perhaps you need to reevaluate your
method of selecting pledges!
FWIW my interpretation of hazing is anything they are asked/required to
do by a brother/member of the organization which causes a person to feel
pain, discomfort or embarrassment, or disregard their personal values or
morals.
William
ECU TKE
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JMU Sinfonian
howdy...
I know this isn't the right place to put a message for someone,
but I tried to send email but it just bounced back.
: --Marcie Sabrin
: Phi Sigma Sigma, Tufts '94
Is this the same Marcie Sabrin that went to New England Music Camp
in 1989? If so please email....
Sincerely,
Rich Legon
NEMC '89 and '90
Burns - Trombone
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Candi Golightly
NEMC?
I went in '89... flute... I was going into 8th grade...
And I'm using cloud9 to log in right now... small world.
Oh and Marcie Sounds familiar
I still have my NEMC "Yearbook"- Summerbook? If that is indeed the Marcie
that went to NEMC I could look her up? I guess if you're looking for her,
though, that means she's moved...
- candace
On 20 Aug 1996, JMU Sinfonian wrote:
> I know this isn't the right place to put a message for someone,
> but I tried to send email but it just bounced back.
>
> : --Marcie Sabrin
> : Phi Sigma Sigma, Tufts '94
>
> Is this the same Marcie Sabrin that went to New England Music Camp
> in 1989? If so please email....
>
> Sincerely,
> Rich Legon
> NEMC '89 and '90
> Burns - Trombone
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Nikhiles Lombard
I think that hazing (at least by my national) is forcing someone to do
somthing that is unbecoming of a gentleman.
And
Forcing them to do thing that brothers don't have to do
Carry a book, do house details, clean-up after parties ect. ect.
So according to my national it is not hazing to have pledges do details if
a brother is doing it woith them, which makes sense so the brother can
teach them how to do it right.
Nik
Blubonnet9
Personally, I feel that that if a sorority has a strong alumnae, then it
is more than likely that the members did not have experiences of hazing.
For example, if I had been made to do something degrading, it is very
doubtful that I would want to continue my involvement as I am now. Also,
sororities with large numbers of alumnae offer more than just social
functions in college; it is more of a lifetime commitment. I have a
friend who is in a "party" sorority that hazes and she does not want to
have anything to do with it now that she has graduated. Her sorority is
one who does not have very many alumnae chapters. I think the two are
related.
omicron kappa
William Morton wrote:
>
> Nikhiles Lombard wrote:
> >
> > I think that hazing (at least by my national) is forcing someone to do
> > somthing that is unbecoming of a gentleman.
>
> include other things too...
>
> > Forcing them to do thing that brothers don't have to do
> > Carry a book, do house details, clean-up after parties ect. ect.
>
> in the WORLD can that be considered hazing? Does it cause discomfort?
> Does it embarass them? Subject them to ridicule? Is it dangerous?
> NO! ALL of my brothers carried pledge books -- small notebooks that
> they stuck in their back pockets like wallets. Not noticable to anyone,
> not uncomfotable -- but there when they needed to refer to it. Our
> pledges are expected to have that reference available to them as they go
> through the learning process, and as it is an AID to them then there can
> be nothing wrong with requiring them to carry the books.
>
> > a brother is doing it woith them, which makes sense so the brother can
> > teach them how to do it right.
>
I have to agree with William. Having pledges do small things like
carry a pledge book or even their pledge manual is not hazing. As for
house details, the house does have to be cleaned by someone. At our
chapter the pledges have to cleanup two day a week, the rest of the time
it is up to the actives to straghten up the place. And the way I see it
is if they consider it having to pull their own weight then they can
leave and not get "hazed" because they will not make very good actives
any way, because everybody has to pull there own weight in the long run
or we get no where at all.
Scott Stewart
TKE
USL