Fraternities and Sheep
Adam Bonin
: You know, I always *thought* it was an urban legend, but much to my
: surprise I came across a January 25, 1991, Seattle Times article
: entitled "Fraternity at UW is Barred From Some Greek Events Over
: Hazing Involving Sheep." The two sheep involved were not hurt, so
: no cruelty-to-animals charges were brought.
: Just in case anyone wanted a reference.
But wait, actually, there's more. At the Amherst College "Bavaria" party, an
annual beer, bands and pig-on-a-spit fest, the Amherst Student (4/13/94)
reported that someone inserted a the pig's tail into the anus of the sheep
which had been rented for the day for "droppings bingo (for lack of a better
term)". This was apparently done by the pledges of one of our underground
fraternities. Allegedly, and I've only heard competing rumours on this one,
the pledges attempted to sexually abuse the sheep as well.
-adam
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Stu Gittelman
acb...@unix.amherst.edu (Adam Bonin) writes:
>But wait, actually, there's more. At the Amherst College "Bavaria" party, an
>annual beer, bands and pig-on-a-spit fest, the Amherst Student (4/13/94)
>reported that someone inserted a the pig's tail into the anus of the sheep
>which had been rented for the day for "droppings bingo (for lack of a better
>term)". This was apparently done by the pledges of one of our underground
>fraternities. Allegedly, and I've only heard competing rumours on this one,
>the pledges attempted to sexually abuse the sheep as well.
all independents.
Funny, if we say "Kurt Vonnegut was s Delta Upsilon," we are challenged
to show how his being greek was a positive influence. But, if someone posts
rumors about sheep, well...that must be because they're greek.
Take care...Stu
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Adam Bonin
: In article <2qtjts$f...@amhux3.amherst.edu>
: acb...@unix.amherst.edu (Adam Bonin) writes:
:
: >But wait, actually, there's more. At the Amherst College "Bavaria" party, an
: >annual beer, bands and pig-on-a-spit fest, the Amherst Student (4/13/94)
: >reported that someone inserted a the pig's tail into the anus of the sheep
: >which had been rented for the day for "droppings bingo (for lack of a better
: >term)". This was apparently done by the pledges of one of our underground
: >fraternities. Allegedly, and I've only heard competing rumours on this one,
: >the pledges attempted to sexually abuse the sheep as well.
:
: John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer and David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz were
: all independents.
:
: Funny, if we say "Kurt Vonnegut was s Delta Upsilon," we are challenged
: to show how his being greek was a positive influence. But, if someone posts
: rumors about sheep, well...that must be because they're greek.
They were all in TD, during their hell week. No one else participated.
iwhal...@halperin.com
In article <2r1vpd...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>, <ka...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu>
writes:
> In case anyone's curious, the fraternity involved was Sigma Chi, they were
> eventually asked toeither resign their chapter or go inactive for a year -
> I forget which, and the urban legend surrounding the campus was that the
> Seattle police had responded to a noise complaint, walked into the basement
> and found a group of pledges standing in their underwear, a large supply of
> Crisco, and two "highly distressed sheep". I don't know how much of the
> story was true, but it was a good gossip topic at the time.
>
I'm pretty sure it was not Sigma Chi, but Sigma Something-else. I do recall
the wire service write-up described the sheep as "highly agitated and over-
heated." The national pulled the charter for a couple of years.
Ivan
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Doug Huffer
>In article <2qtjts$f...@amhux3.amherst.edu>
>acb...@unix.amherst.edu (Adam Bonin) writes:
>
>>But wait, actually, there's more. At the Amherst College "Bavaria" party, an
>>annual beer, bands and pig-on-a-spit fest, the Amherst Student (4/13/94)
>>reported that someone inserted a the pig's tail into the anus of the sheep
>>which had been rented for the day for "droppings bingo (for lack of a better
>>term)". This was apparently done by the pledges of one of our underground
>>fraternities. Allegedly, and I've only heard competing rumours on this one,
>>the pledges attempted to sexually abuse the sheep as well.
>
> John Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer and David "Son of Sam" Berkowitz were
> all independents.
I've never claimed a bound with these, or any other independents that I
do not know. Now, if one of my personal friends was responsible for these
actions, I would place a degree of blame upon myself for not stopping it.
I also wouldn't blame a particular fraternity for the actions of an alumi
(outside of the fraternity environment). Now, if they lived in the house
while this was going on...
> Funny, if we say "Kurt Vonnegut was s Delta Upsilon," we are challenged
> to show how his being greek was a positive influence. But, if someone posts
> rumors about sheep, well...that must be because they're greek.
I don't deny that being in a fraternity can be a positive influence. But
(1) it's nothing that couldn't be accomplished in a co-ed environment, and
(2) if greeks are going to accept the good, they have to accept the bad also.
As long as greeks hide behind the 'private, tightly knit' organization label,
they can only expect criticism when one (or more) of their own goes bad.
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Lee Rubinoff
BULL SHIT!!! Let me see some reputable sources.
Lee Rubinoff
lrubinof@epas,utoronto.ca
P.S. Sheeps are for kids!
Katharine R Saunders
>You know, I always *thought* it was an urban legend, but much to my
>surprise I came across a January 25, 1991, Seattle Times article
>entitled "Fraternity at UW is Barred From Some Greek Events Over
>Hazing Involving Sheep." The two sheep involved were not hurt, so
>no cruelty-to-animals charges were brought.
>
>Just in case anyone wanted a reference.
>ted frank Supreme Court Dis Watch:
>the law skool Already Dissed By: O'Connor
>the u of c Will Be Dissed By: Blackmun, Brennan, Burger, Thomas, White,
>kibo#=0.5 Scalia, Rehnquist, Stevens, Ginsburg, Powell, Kennedy, Souter
In case anyone's curious, the fraternity involved was Sigma Chi, they were
eventually asked toeither resign their chapter or go inactive for a year -
I forget which, and the urban legend surrounding the campus was that the
Seattle police had responded to a noise complaint, walked into the basement
and found a group of pledges standing in their underwear, a large supply of
Crisco, and two "highly distressed sheep". I don't know how much of the
story was true, but it was a good gossip topic at the time.
-Kaiti, who is glad to back in the NW after JHU finals!
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Lee Rubinoff
I accept that I did not read your original post and therefore did not
see that you did cite your source. I was replying to a person who
wrote after your post. The reason I did not read your original post
was that I saw your name and thought it to be more Ted Bull-Shit that
you are so famous for. I think someone should check Ted's source
because he may be lying again.
BTW, you hypocrite, you made a smart-ass Ted remark along the lines
"There you go again quoting something you have no idea about" in
reference to my troll about Copeland. Well, if I remember correctly,
I saw you write in your Bull-Shit FAQ that you have single-handedly
written with no approval from anyone else, you cite Broken Pledges as
a book that talks against fraternities (that was the reason why it was
in there) but you did not read it yourself. Well guess what, I HAVE!!
I have the book in my book-shelf and I think you would be surprised to
read some passages that do not necessarily agree with your crusade. I
suggest you pick it up sometime and read it, because as it is, you are
talking about something you have no idea about, and that is nothing
new.
Regards,
Lee Rubinoff
lrub...@epas.utoronto.ca
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Ted Frank
>
>BULL SHIT!!! Let me see some reputable sources.
>
>Lee Rubinoff
>lrubinof@epas,utoronto.ca
Learn how to read, Lee. It was in the article you followed up, to:
Ted Frank (th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu) wrote:
: You know, I always *thought* it was an urban legend, but much to my
: surprise I came across a January 25, 1991, Seattle Times article
: entitled "Fraternity at UW is Barred From Some Greek Events Over
: Hazing Involving Sheep." The two sheep involved were not hurt, so
: no cruelty-to-animals charges were brought.
--
ted frank "Marge, please: old people don't need companionship. They need
the law skool to be isolated and studied so it can be determined what
the u of c nutrients they have that might be extracted for our personal
kibo#=0.5 use!" "Homer, put down that Ross Perot pamphlet!"
Fovaz
Adam Bonin <acb...@unix.amherst.edu> wrote:
>Ted Frank (th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu) wrote:
>: You know, I always *thought* it was an urban legend, but much to my
>: surprise I came across a January 25, 1991, Seattle Times article
>: entitled "Fraternity at UW is Barred From Some Greek Events Over
>: Hazing Involving Sheep." The two sheep involved were not hurt, so
>: no cruelty-to-animals charges were brought.
>
>
>But wait, actually, there's more. At the Amherst College "Bavaria" party, an
>fraternities. Allegedly, and I've only heard competing rumours on this one,
>the pledges attempted to sexually abuse the sheep as well.
>
Wow! This reminds me of a time when I was living in a college town and
crashing frat hazings for fun and profit. I was moving into my new home -
an old renovated house next to a frat home, when I noticed some pledges
milling around on the front lawn. I quickly ran upstairs and threw the
rest of my things into my room, gathered up some supplies, put on some
loafers and a white R.E.M t-shirt and joined the group. The pledges were
standing around, admiring each other's cars, and spitting on passersby they
deemed inferior (women and minorities, mainly). After some quick thinking
and talking with the house members I was allowed into their home.
As we were being herded through on our whirlwind tour, I slipped away
into their meeting room. I quickly searched under the main table for a spot
not covered in the cum of the frat-boys. Difficult as it was, I found a
spot somewhat dry and attached a listening device (a simple Radio Shack toy)
with duct tape. I rejoined the crowd with the explanation that I was using
the restroom. I then mingled with the revolting fascists and was soon
invited back for a meeting the next evening at 8:00 PM. Seven other pledges
were invited. After two other meetings and a party in which I screwed every
girlfriend of every member of the frat (discreetly), I was *in*, and invited
back to the house for a tiny shindig. I knew what came next.
I ran home and fired up my receiver, furiously jotting down
notes on the location of the hazing.
Quickly I gathered supplies and a sleeping bag and left for my
destination - a family mansion a good half hour drive from the town. I
stopped at a building supply store on my way.
At about 2:00 AM the lights went out in the house and I crept around
the back and down a trail that led to the family hunting grounds, where the
<men> ;> shot poor defenseless litle animals and hung the rotting heads on
the walls of their rooms. At 4:00 I was done, and headed home.
The next evening I went back to the frat-house, and was quickly shunted
into a van. I was bound and gagged and blindfolded with black cloth. 5
minutes later the ropes that bound my hands were cut by a coping saw blade
that I had in my pocket. Now it had become a waiting game.
Upon arrival at the hunting grounds, the pledges were pulled out and
paraded, still blindfolded, in front of the members. Our pants were quickly
down below our knees. The frat-boys were shouting and singing, drinking
heavily and puking all over the soft moss that blanketed the road. "I have
to use the bathroom", I said.
"Use the woods," came the reply.
"How am I going to whip it out?" I asked.
One frat-boy walked over to me, slid his hand in my briefs, and pulled
out my dick, giving it an extra little squeeze. "Do you want someone to
hold it for you?" he whispered.
My first reaction was to wretch uncontrollably, but I held it back and
said "Yes". It would be in my favor to have one of the group disposed of
first. "Follow about 20 seconds behind," I said.
About a minute later I felt a hand on my penis. Within seconds the
frat-boy was on his knees, and was knocked cold with a tree branch before he
could get his mouth open. I bound and gagged him to the tree I had just
urinated on.
When I got back to the group the hazing was already in progress. The
fledgling pledges were naked; two of them had a dildo up the sheep's anus,
and the others were drinking urine out of a coke can and gargling the frat
anthem.
The frat-boys' stiff little penises were wagging in the wind as they
masturbated and drank uncontrollably. I circled around to the other side of
the group, unseen in the dark of the night woods, and cut the rope.
A net quickly engulfed most of the group, and their wails and screams fell
softly on the deaf ears of the unconscious sheep lying below them. Soon
their crys had given way to soft moans, and the net began undulating and
swinging to and fro. I quickly lit off some flares to distract the
remaining frat boys, and quckly had them out with a stun gun I was carrying.
I lowered the net to around waist level and proceeded to stun the rest of
the group.
The next day I was on a plane out of town. The frat boys shivered on
the moss, all tied together in twos with duct tape into sexual positions -
some taking it from behind, some engaged in mutual oral sex. The odd man
out had been bound with rope to the sheep. When their fathers arrived they
extricated the boys, but not before taking liberties with the soft flesh of
their kin.
I heard a week later that the house I was living in had burned down.
The frat boys were implicated and their frat closed down. None were
prosecuted for the arson or the deaths of my housemates.
The End
The Phantom Photographer
In article <2r8p5o$n...@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca>,
Lee Rubinoff <lrub...@epas.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>Ted,
>
>I accept that I did not read your original post and therefore did not
>see that you did cite your source. I was replying to a person who
>wrote after your post. The reason I did not read your original post
>was that I saw your name and thought it to be more Ted Bull-Shit that
>you are so famous for. I think someone should check Ted's source
>because he may be lying again.
>
well. Further details which I recall (though this may be my tired
mind embellishing my memory) were that there were ten naked pledges
caught in the basement with the two sheep. I also seem to remember
that the pledges were allegedly covered with peanut butter, but that
seems a bit far-fetched.
-Marc "looking sheepish again" Reeve
working on a new .sig, honest :)
Ted Frank
>Ted,
>
>I accept that I did not read your original post and therefore did not
>see that you did cite your source. I was replying to a person who
>wrote after your post. The reason I did not read your original post
>was that I saw your name and thought it to be more Ted Bull-Shit that
>you are so famous for. I think someone should check Ted's source
>because he may be lying again.
I'll bet you a thousand dollars that the Seattle newspapers reported
what I say they did.
You on, Lee? Put your money where your mouth is if you're going to
accuse me of lying without so much as a shred of evidence. Do you
have the guts to stand by your claim?
Adam Haberlach
Malinda McCall <mmc...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
>Spotted: another (dis)atisfied customer of a Ted Frank Troll [tm].
Is there any other kind?
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Ted Frank <th...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>In article <2r8p5o$n...@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> lrub...@epas.utoronto.ca (Lee Rubinoff) writes:
>>Ted,
>>
>>I accept that I did not read your original post and therefore did not
>>see that you did cite your source. I was replying to a person who
>>wrote after your post. The reason I did not read your original post
>>was that I saw your name and thought it to be more Ted Bull-Shit that
>>you are so famous for. I think someone should check Ted's source
>>because he may be lying again.
>
>I'll bet you a thousand dollars that the Seattle newspapers reported
>what I say they did.
>
>You on, Lee? Put your money where your mouth is if you're going to
>accuse me of lying without so much as a shred of evidence. Do you
>have the guts to stand by your claim?
I'm still waiting for the "several thousand" fraternity members that
read this group to E-mail me. Like I said--any more then 500 and I'll
fly to Chicago to shake your hand.
Harry McKee
: In article <1994May11....@midway.uchicago.edu> th...@midway.uchicago.edu writes:
: >You know, I always *thought* it was an urban legend, but much to my
: >surprise I came across a January 25, 1991, Seattle Times article
: >entitled "Fraternity at UW is Barred From Some Greek Events Over
: >Hazing Involving Sheep." The two sheep involved were not hurt, so
: >no cruelty-to-animals charges were brought.
: In case anyone's curious, the fraternity involved was Sigma Chi, they were
: eventually asked toeither resign their chapter or go inactive for a year -
: I forget which, and the urban legend surrounding the campus was that the
: Seattle police had responded to a noise complaint, walked into the basement
: and found a group of pledges standing in their underwear, a large supply of
: Crisco, and two "highly distressed sheep". I don't know how much of the
: story was true, but it was a good gossip topic at the time.
The fraternity involved was really Theta Xi. No, I am not a member of either
house.
gjfec
up to all sorts of Hula with animals !! What I want to know is why dont we have
these societies here in London ?
Stu Gittelman
habe...@OES.ORST.EDU (Adam Haberlach) writes:
>In article <1994May17....@midway.uchicago.edu>,
>Ted Frank <th...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>
>>You on, Lee? Put your money where your mouth is if you're going to
>>accuse me of lying without so much as a shred of evidence. Do you
>>have the guts to stand by your claim?
>
posts. Of course when challenged to show proof, the thread mysteriously died
out.
Anne Bentley
>>>
>Hate to burst your bubble, Lee, but I've seen the article in question as
>well. Further details which I recall (though this may be my tired
>mind embellishing my memory) were that there were ten naked pledges
>caught in the basement with the two sheep. I also seem to remember
>that the pledges were allegedly covered with peanut butter, but that
No, I recall that peanut butter was involved, too. Your mind is perfectly
correct.
Anne
Ted Frank
> And I'm still waiting for Ted to apologize to me for accusing me of forging
>posts.
I don't recall any such accusation or any incident where you forged posts.
If you produce it, I'll re-evaluate it, and apologize if appropriate. But
I don't think I made the accusation. I'll also apologize for my lack of
recollection if you can produce the allegation, but right now I think you
owe me the apology.
--
ted frank "Why do people hate Zima so much when it doesn't taste worse
the law skool than any other form of vinegar?"
the u of c
kibo#=0.5 -- James Parry
Anthony D. Becker
gjfec <gj...@westminster.ac.uk> wrote:
>In the last article it was mentioned that greek societies in the states get
>these societies here in London ?
But you do, old fellow! They are called "Royals."
ADB
Stu Gittelman
th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <16FB96...@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> S...@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Stu Gittelman) writes:
>> And I'm still waiting for Ted to apologize to me for accusing me of forging
>>posts.
>
>I don't recall any such accusation or any incident where you forged posts.
>If you produce it, I'll re-evaluate it, and apologize if appropriate. But
>I don't think I made the accusation. I'll also apologize for my lack of
>recollection if you can produce the allegation,
America OnLine either. However - that is not the point. Ted, YOU accused
ME of forging posts -
the burden was on you to produce some evidence when challenged to do
so. Your failure to respond at that time said all that was needed about the
substance of your charge - all I wanted was an apology for making it.
>but right now I think you owe me the apology.
was wrong to post what he did - but this "put up or shut up" standard that
you hit him with was, considering your past actions, a bit much for me to
stomach.
Malinda McCall
: In article <2r8rfp$n...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu>,
: Malinda McCall <mmc...@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> wrote:
: >Spotted: another (dis)atisfied customer of a Ted Frank Troll [tm].
: Is there any other kind?
Sure! Those of us who have never been trolled by Ted or who
regularly check out our followups-to line and self-troll only. :)
We are "amused bystanders". They are "clueless peeved newbies".
Or something like that. :)
ObKibo: KIBO spelled backwards is Obik, Norse God of Misplaced
Writing Implements and Unfashionable Footwear.
Ted Frank
>In article <1994May17.1...@midway.uchicago.edu>
>th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>>If you produce it, I'll re-evaluate it, and apologize if appropriate. But
>>I don't think I made the accusation. I'll also apologize for my lack of
>>recollection if you can produce the allegation,
> Sorry - my newsreader only goes back two weeks and I can't get it from
> America OnLine either. However - that is not the point. Ted, YOU accused
> ME of forging posts - the burden was on you to produce some evidence when
> challenged to do so.
Well, I'm challenging your accusation that I ever made an accusation. 1/2 :)
You going to meet the burden of proof? Or should we both drop this?
To the best of my recollection, you have not forged posts, nor have I
accused you of forging posts. I reserve the right to change my mind
about either or both of those issues if shown an accusation, but I
don't think such an accusation ever happened.
Stu Gittelman
th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>Well, I'm challenging your accusation that I ever made an accusation. 1/2 :)
>You going to meet the burden of proof? Or should we both drop this?
>To the best of my recollection, you have not forged posts, nor have I
>accused you of forging posts. I reserve the right to change my mind
>about either or both of those issues if shown an accusation, but I
>don't think such an accusation ever happened.
>ted frank "Why do people hate Zima so much when it doesn't taste worse
>the law skool than any other form of vinegar?"
>the u of c
Out of curiousity, wasn't it Parry who wrote that, "People who quote me
in their .sig files are idiots."? :)
Take care...Stu
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Katharine R Saunders
>In article <2r8p5o$n...@alpha.epas.utoronto.ca> lrub...@epas.utoronto.ca (Lee Rubinoff) writes:
>>Ted,
>>
>>I accept that I did not read your original post and therefore did not
>>see that you did cite your source. I was replying to a person who
>>wrote after your post. The reason I did not read your original post
>>was that I saw your name and thought it to be more Ted Bull-Shit that
>>you are so famous for. I think someone should check Ted's source
>>because he may be lying again.
>
>I'll bet you a thousand dollars that the Seattle newspapers reported
>what I say they did.
>
>You on, Lee? Put your money where your mouth is if you're going to
>accuse me of lying without so much as a shred of evidence. Do you
>have the guts to stand by your claim?
>--
>ted frank "Marge, please: old people don't need companionship. They need
OK everyone, this time Ted's right. The article referred to Theta Xi
fraternity andstated that the police found pledges in their underwear,
accompanied by peanut butter, crisco, and several "highly distressed"
sheep. It happened. However, Ted, you should take note of the fact that
just because it happened at one time, in one location, does not mean that
every fraternity participates in similar activities, nor even that all
chapters of Theta Xi participate in similar behavior. By the way, Ted, you
still haven't answered my comment that there does exist a fraternity, a
national fraternity, established for over a century that has had no incident
of major hazing in the past five years. As a lawyer, you might try next
time to limit your statement since "Name a fraternity" does include such
entities as Delta Gamma Fraternity.
-Kaiti
VP:Scholarship, Zeta Kappa of Delta Gamma, Johns Hopkins University
Katharine R Saunders
isindeed Theta Xi. Apologies to anyone I offended.
-Kaiti
Eric J Meli
.In article <16FB96...@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU> S...@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU (Stu Gittelman)
.writes:
.> And I'm still waiting for Ted to apologize to me for accusing me of
.> forging posts.
.
.I don't recall any such accusation or any incident where you forged posts.
.If you produce it, I'll re-evaluate it, and apologize if appropriate. But
.I don't think I made the accusation. I'll also apologize for my lack of
.recollection if you can produce the allegation, but right now I think you
.owe me the apology.
.--
.ted frank "Why do people hate Zima so much when it doesn't taste worse
.the law skool than any other form of vinegar?"
.the u of c
.kibo#=0.5 -- James Parry
^^^^^^^^^^^
Two things: -Stu didn't say he forged facts, he said you accused him
of forging facts;
-Isn't James Parry the less famous brother of Luke Perry?
Eric "Yay! my account is still active. Now where is my password?" Meli
X-332
Theta Xi Fraternity
Chi Colony
The Ohio State University
Oh, P.S.: whatever happened to 'djkibo' ?
Bob Another beer, please Christ
>chapters of Theta Xi participate in similar behavior. By the way, Ted, you
>still haven't answered my comment that there does exist a fraternity, a
>national fraternity, established for over a century that has had no incident
Nobody realy gives a FUCK if he answers your silly question.
Now, go the fuck away. Got it? Good.
Bob
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Lance Franklin
}In the last article it was mentioned that greek societies in the states get
}up to all sorts of Hula with animals !!
No, No! It's GEEK....GEEK Societies!
} What I want to know is why dont we have
}these societies here in London ?
Is the House of Lords in session?
Lance
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Mr G Osborne
l...@ncmicro.lonestar.org (Lance Franklin) writes:
>gj...@westminster.ac.uk (gjfec) writes:
>}In the last article it was mentioned that greek societies in the states get
>}up to all sorts of Hula with animals !!
>
>No, No! It's GEEK....GEEK Societies!
>
>
>} What I want to know is why dont we have
>}these societies here in London ?
>
>Is the House of Lords in session?
>
>
>Lance
>
Sounds more like public school to me.
Ted Frank
> Out of curiousity, wasn't it Parry who wrote that, "People who quote me
> in their .sig files are idiots."? :)
No, he wrote "People who quote .sig files are idiots."
I think he had something to say about smileys, too.
>Take care...Stu
You, too, Stu.
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Katharine R Saunders
>ka...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Katharine R Saunders) writes:
>
>>chapters of Theta Xi participate in similar behavior. By the way, Ted, you
>>still haven't answered my comment that there does exist a fraternity, a
>>national fraternity, established for over a century that has had no incident
>
> Nobody realy gives a FUCK if he answers your silly question.
>Now, go the fuck away. Got it? Good.
>
>Bob
>
And actually, if you'd care to trace the thread back, it was Ted that posed
the question in the first place. I was merely responding. If the question
was silly, then blame Ted for it.
-Kaiti
Stu Gittelman
th...@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>No, he wrote "People who quote .sig files are idiots."
>>Take care...Stu
Uh, Ted - did you notice that this line is part of my .sig file?
It appears in everything I post.
Ignasi Palou-Rivera
> Well, somebody certainly woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.
> And actually, if you'd care to trace the thread back, it was Ted that posed
> the question in the first place. I was merely responding. If the question
> was silly, then blame Ted for it.
> -Kaiti
> Kaiti Saunders I resemble only half the things I say I
> ka...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu don't. The other half resemble me. - Thurber
I hope you do not^H^H^H take this as a flame, but could you learn to
spell your own name?
Ignazy "I already did" Palou
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Matthew Gering
>what I say they did.
>
How much truth lies in the disgustingly liberal and biased Seattle papers is
another question.
Matt
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Ted Frank
>In article <1994May17....@midway.uchicago.edu>,
>Ted Frank <th...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>>
>>I'll bet you a thousand dollars that the Seattle newspapers reported
>>what I say they did.
>>
>[snip]
>
>How much truth lies in the disgustingly liberal and biased Seattle papers is
>another question.
Are you claiming that they lied when they said the police said they found
two sheep "in a distressed state" amongst pledges smeared in Crisco and
peanut butter? Do you have any evidence for this, or are you just unhappy
with unpleasant facts.
The sort of denial that "fraternities can do no wrong, and anyone who says
otherwise is part of a disgustingly liberal and biased conspiracy" is the
very epitome of everything that is wrong with fraternities today.
> __________ ______ ___________
>|_______ / | ___ \ / ___ ___ \ Zeta Beta Tau Fraternity
ZBT is another good example of a national fraternity that gives a lot of
lip service to the anti-hazing principle, but refuses to do anything about
it in practice should their chapters haze. Brandeis ZBT was caught hazing
on multiple occasions, twice involving police, yet they still operate with
impunity.
lh28...@auvax1.adelphi.edu
So now there is a Delta Gamma Fraternity and Sorority?
Matt Bruce
1. The inanity of Gering's ad hominem attack on Seattle papers.
2. The frat-boy .sig.
3. That Ted Frank, of all people, does not seem to edit his Followup-To line.
Other than that, the last 20 or so articles of this thread have no
business in alt.tasteless. Please remove it the discussion.
Thanks,
Matt
: In article <1994May17....@midway.uchicago.edu>,
: Ted Frank <th...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
: >
: >I'll bet you a thousand dollars that the Seattle newspapers reported
: >what I say they did.
: >
Matthew Gering (mge...@nyx10.cs.du.edu) wrote:
: How much truth lies in the disgustingly liberal and biased Seattle papers is
: another question.
[.sig deleted, replaced by my own]
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Trashcan Man
Matt Bruce <mlb...@husc7.harvard.edu> wrote:
>There are exactly three tasteless things to this post:
>1. The inanity of Gering's ad hominem attack on Seattle papers.
>2. The frat-boy .sig.
>3. That Ted Frank, of all people, does not seem to edit his Followup-To line.
Good move, Matt. Couldn't have said it any better myself.
As for greek life, I well, can we say "lame?" I used to date an Alpha Phi
(All for Free?)- and the stupid cunt still lets me fuck her, even though
I flat out tell her that I dislike her as a person and that she is no
more useful than as a sperm receptacle.
Now, on to more tasteless matters. Today was a good tasteless day.
ObTasteless:
My dog hurled in my car, for my mom thought in her infinite wisdom that
feeding him bananas before the car ride would be a good idea.
ObTasteless2:
My mom spent about half an hour in the shitter. What's with the old
broad? I was barely keeping my loaf in my ass, and she takes her sweet
time. By the time I got to the seat, I was practically retracting a knob
of turd that was poking out my ass. She wamed the seat. Argh! I like a
cold toilet seat! I take 5 minutes tops, even in the most constipated of
moments.
ObTasteless3: Said turd. It's shape reminded me of the question mark on
the Riddler's shirt on the old Batman TV series.
Trashcan Man.
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Stu Gittelman
tra...@cibola.dialup.access.net (Trashcan Man) writes:
>As for greek life, I well, can we say "lame?" I used to date an Alpha Phi
>(All for Free?)- and the stupid cunt still lets me fuck her, even though
>I flat out tell her that I dislike her as a person and that she is no
>more useful than as a sperm receptacle.
he's in a co-ed environment and is still a pig. And he's in a co-ed
student group, too!
Ted, I hope you noted that the "organization" in his article header was
<<Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Gang Bang>>. Good thing he's part of one
of those perfect co-ed college organizations - I'd hate to see what you'd
have to say about his sense of humor if he were greek.
Oh, whoops. He posted to alt.tasteless. I guess that excuses it.
Ted, can we agree that this co-ed is a loser? And he's proud of it -- just pathetic.
Take care...Stu
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Adam Haberlach
Trashcan Man <tra...@cibola.dialup.access.net> wrote:
>In article <2rmu06$b...@scunix2.harvard.edu>,
>Matt Bruce <mlb...@husc7.harvard.edu> wrote:
>>There are exactly three tasteless things to this post:
>>1. The inanity of Gering's ad hominem attack on Seattle papers.
>>2. The frat-boy .sig.
>>3. That Ted Frank, of all people, does not seem to edit his Followup-To line.
>
>Good move, Matt. Couldn't have said it any better myself.
>
>As for greek life, I well, can we say "lame?" I used to date an Alpha Phi
>(All for Free?)- and the stupid cunt still lets me fuck her, even though
>I flat out tell her that I dislike her as a person and that she is no
>more useful than as a sperm receptacle.
You know, I kind of find it amazing that people who know Ted enough
to wonder why he doesn't edit his crossposts are sexist enough to write
the above. Better watch who you hang out with, Ted.
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Weihnachtsfrosch
Katharine R Saunders <ka...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu> wrote:
>In article <bhatchCq...@netcom.com> alt-...@cs.texas.edu,misc...@cs.texas.edu writes:
> >ka...@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu (Katharine R Saunders) writes:
> >
> >>chapters of Theta Xi participate in similar behavior. By the way, Ted, you
> >>still haven't answered my comment that there does exist a fraternity, a
> >>national fraternity, established for over a century that has had no incident
yes, DG is a fine organization, a wonderful organization. My wife is/was a DG.
To claim that DG has had no hazing incidents, however, is entirely irrelevant
to the issue at hand, namely whether fraternities are the paragons that the
Greeks here represent them to be. They are not.
Nor are sorority women blameless for the formation of the bestial culture
whose existence is, amazingly, continuously at issue here. Without having to
go to the library to research the topic or even having to think very hard, I
can vividly remember at least one incident in which a pledge of Phi Delta
Theta was stripped naked, hogtied, and left on the front porch of a Delta
Gamma chapter house. While this was fifteen years ago, my last several visits
to fraternity houses have not given me the impression that things are much
different from my fraternity days, at which time the university I attended
was already starting to lash out (somewhat justifiably) at brutality and
physical abuse in the Greek system.
Shit happens. To claim that it does not is willful self-deception.
Jeff Carroll
upsilon of phi kappa sigma, 1981
Eric M. Reed
(Trashcan Man) wrote:
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> "We wear blue, we wear white, we wear lingerie at night, we're the Cleverest
> Band in the World. " - The Columbia University Marching Band. G(tb)^2
He's in the Columbia University Marching Band? That would explain a lot
about his post. :)
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Peter Berger
> ZBT is another good example of a national fraternity that gives a lot of
> lip service to the anti-hazing principle, but refuses to do anything about
> it in practice should their chapters haze. Brandeis ZBT was caught hazing
> on multiple occasions, twice involving police, yet they still operate with
> impunity.
The ZBT chapter at CMU was going through the freshman dorms bugging
freshman to join. One freshman, a Korean, told them to leave him alone.
Words (and threats) were exchanged. "We'll be back!" they told the young
man. They went back to the frat, and got most of the chapter to return to
Morewood Gardens with them. When they arrived, they found waiting outside
the young freshman, and the entire Korean Student Association, armed with
nunchucks. The battle was joined.
Needless to say, ZBT got their asses whupped into submission, and then, to
add insult to injury, were kicked out of CMU in no uncertain terms. (The
fact that they put another freshman in the hospital through stupid drinking
games probably didn't help, either).
I am recounting this from memory as best as I can, so I apologize for any
inaccuracies -- can anyone provide further details?
Peter G. Berger, Esq.
Peter Berger
>(The
>fact that they put another freshman in the hospital through stupid drinking
>games probably didn't help, either).
I was just informed by a CMU alum that the pledge in question in fact died,
from doing too many shots too quickly.
Peter
Brian Scearce
> I was just informed by a CMU alum that the pledge in question in fact
> died, from doing too many shots too quickly.
Hey, just like John Dillinger.
Brian "lead poisoning" Scearce
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> I was just informed by a CMU alum that the pledge in question in fact
Oh great. Another variant.
The Brits say "aluminium"
The Yanks say "aluminum"
Peter Berger abbrevs. it even more to just "alum."
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Ted Frank
>Peter Berger <pet...@lm.net> writes:
>> I was just informed by a CMU alum that the pledge in question in fact
>
>Oh great. Another variant.
>
> The Brits say "aluminium"
> The Yanks say "aluminum"
>
> Peter Berger abbrevs. it even more to just "alum."
Which reminds me of the old Warner Brothers cartoons where Tweety Bird would
pour some substance called "alum" down a funnel or straw attached to
Sylvester the Cat, and Sylvester's head would shrink. Needless to say,
twenty years ago I found this quite disturbing. Though my more finely
honed sense of hyperbole as an adult has taken the horrific edge out of
these cartoons, I still don't have the faintest idea what "alum" does or
why it would be a semi-plausible result for one's head to shrink as a
result of its intake.
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Kim Scheinberg
>Peter Berger <pet...@lm.net> writes:
>> I was just informed by a CMU alum that the pledge in question in fact
>> died, from doing too many shots too quickly.
>
And Dylan Thomas
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James L. Coffey
: Peter Berger <pet...@lm.net> writes:
: > I was just informed by a CMU alum that the pledge in question in fact
: Oh great. Another variant.
: The Brits say "aluminium"
: The Yanks say "aluminum"
That is because, unlike us, the British don't have a constitution.
Fortunately, ours ensures that we are free to pronounce words anyway we
want. (Op cit: Bill of Rights)
Jim
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Christopher Horymski
(Ted Frank) says:
>Which reminds me of the old Warner Brothers cartoons where Tweety Bird would
>pour some substance called "alum" down a funnel or straw attached to
>Sylvester the Cat, and Sylvester's head would shrink.
The other equally puzzling result of alum consumption was puckering, as if there
was a black hole on the tongue. Sort of like what would happen after 8 ounces
of pixie sticks. This wasn't always the payoff; sometimes not being able to talk
or whatever resulted in disaster.
Needless to say,
>twenty years ago I found this quite disturbing. Though my more finely
>honed sense of hyperbole as an adult has taken the horrific edge out of
>these cartoons, I still don't have the faintest idea what "alum" does or
>why it would be a semi-plausible result for one's head to shrink as a
>result of its intake.
I think it was a wartime substitute for sugar.
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Wiley Sanders
>I think it was a wartime substitute for sugar.
Yum, I'll try some on my corn flakes.
A.K.A "Potassium Aluminiuniniumium Sulfate"
Alum's major application in the wartime home would have been to
make pickles. Let me consult my "Joy of Cooking" and I'll post
a recipe.
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: I still don't have the faintest idea what "alum" does or
: why it would be a semi-plausible result for one's head to shrink as a
: result of its intake.
Alum is a mineral salt one used to be able to get in drug stores (haven't
seen it in any modern ones). It is very astringent, and would make you
pucker your lips as if you had eaten a whole lemon. The head-shrinking
was hyperbole out of the mouth-shrinking phenomenon. Many cartoons will
have Sylvester's mouth just shrink to an imperceptable dot instead of his
whole head shrivelling up.
AFAIK, it was used to purify water before modern filtering methods were
widely available. I could, of course, be totally worng, but other than
some relatively obscure photography processes and some medicinal
ointments that use alum, I know of no other reason why it would have been
a common enough fixture in households of a few decades ago so as to make
its sour qualities well known enough to be jokes in a cartoon. Perhaps
someone older than I can confirm or deny what I say.
Harry "Will not eat alum for food" Teasley
Adam Haberlach
It was used as a preservative for pickles and sourkraut, among
other things. I think it's still available, but since most people
don't make their own pickles...
Steven Thornton
> Alum is a mineral salt one used to be able to get in drug stores (haven't
> seen it in any modern ones). It is very astringent, and would make you
> pucker your lips as if you had eaten a whole lemon. The head-shrinking
> was hyperbole out of the mouth-shrinking phenomenon. Many cartoons will
> have Sylvester's mouth just shrink to an imperceptable dot instead of his
> whole head shrivelling up.
> AFAIK, it was used to purify water before modern filtering methods were
> widely available. I could, of course, be totally worng, but other than
> some relatively obscure photography processes and some medicinal
> ointments that use alum, I know of no other reason why it would have been
> a common enough fixture in households of a few decades ago so as to make
> its sour qualities well known enough to be jokes in a cartoon. Perhaps
> someone older than I can confirm or deny what I say.
Alum is available today in any decent-sized supermarket, in the spice
rack. As someone else mentioned, it was and is commonly used for pickling.
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