The time has come...Expand the Nationals Field!
Patrick G. Matthews
grapes of a disgruntled second place finisher. I have *always* supported,
in this forum and elsewhere, the proposition that CBI should expand the
field for Nationals.
The current set-up for regionals leaves far too much to the vagaries of
geography. There are always some regions with 3 or even 4 teams that are
"nationals caliber", while some regions have winners that would be
also-rans in many regional tourneys.
Here is what I propose: start expanding the field, but gradually:
1994 16 teams
1995 18
1996 18
1997 20
1998 22
1999 24
2000 24
2001 24
2002 32
I'd love to see a 32-team field for Nationals this year, but let's face
it-- you can't double the size of the field in one year. Doing that would
result in chaos, as CBI would not be prepared to handle it all at once.
Even if they could, Nationals would probably be just like any other
invitational in terms of style.
But if the company has a few years and a *definite plan* for expansion, it
is feasible.
Now, how would I apportion the teams?
Region winners definitely get in. After that, I wouldn't want to see
invitational records used--they are *not* a good indicator of what a
team's true ACUI abilities are. So, for the years in which there are 18-24
teams, here's how I'd do it:
1. prior year's finalists
2. regional winners
3. fill the rest of the field with wild cards based on that region's
performance at last year's nationals
I could live with step three being "fill the rest with wild cards from the
largest regional fields." Also, I would require a finalist from the year
before to actually go to their regional to get the automatic bid.
I would keep the full round-robin until the field reaches 32 teams, at
which point a switch to a 2-pool round robin would have to be made.
Just remember: if indivdiual schools can pull off 30+ team tourneys, CBI
can too!
Some of you might be saying "what about game officials?" Well, I would
have *no* problem with requiring the schools to each bring one. In fact,
that would only *improve* the quality of officials at Nationals. Last
year, I can think of two *terrible* moderators and another one or two
below average moderators at Nationals, and that was when it was just miles
away from CBI headquarters. If people involved with the teams came as
officials, we'd get officials who do this more than once or twice a year.
Pat
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Ted Schuerzinger
matt...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu (Patrick G. Matthews) writes:
> Before I get into this, I just want to say that this is not the sour
> grapes of a disgruntled second place finisher. I have *always* supported,
> in this forum and elsewhere, the proposition that CBI should expand the
> field for Nationals.
I suppose we wish you hadn't supported the proposition so that we could
say that this *was* just the sour grapes of a disgruntled second-place
finisher! ;-)
> The current set-up for regionals leaves far too much to the vagaries of
> geography. There are always some regions with 3 or even 4 teams that are
> "nationals caliber", while some regions have winners that would be
> also-rans in many regional tourneys.
Certainly! I'd like to think that we were nationals caliber last year,
except that we lost the RCT final to Harvard in three thrilling games.
This year's Harvard team is national caliber as well, along with at least
three other RCT runners-up I can think of offhand.
[expansion plan deleted]
>
> I'd love to see a 32-team field for Nationals this year, but let's face
> it-- you can't double the size of the field in one year. Doing that would
> result in chaos, as CBI would not be prepared to handle it all at once.
> Even if they could, Nationals would probably be just like any other
> invitational in terms of style.
>
> But if the company has a few years and a *definite plan* for expansion, it
> is feasible.
I know I posted this last year, but I'll post it again. I wouldn't mind
having the NCT stay at just 16 teams -- if they were the 16 best teams in
the country! One way to do this would be to have some sort of
intermediate step between the RCTs and the NCTs. Each region would send
its top four teams to these intermediate tournaments; four intermediate
tournaments with fifteen teams each could be held. The top four teams at
each intermediate tournament would then go on to the NCT. I should think
that Michigan and Harvard, to name just two runners-up, should be able to
advance to the NCT from such an intermediate tournament!
Of course, as I've also mentioned in the past, the big problem with this
is lack of funding for most schools' CB programs.
> Now, how would I apportion the teams?
>
> Region winners definitely get in. After that, I wouldn't want to see
> invitational records used--they are *not* a good indicator of what a
> team's true ACUI abilities are. So, for the years in which there are 18-24
> teams, here's how I'd do it:
> 1. prior year's finalists
> 2. regional winners
> 3. fill the rest of the field with wild cards based on that region's
> performance at last year's nationals
I would pick the finalists that had the best showings in their regions.
> I could live with step three being "fill the rest with wild cards from the
> largest regional fields." Also, I would require a finalist from the year
> before to actually go to their regional to get the automatic bid.
>
> I would keep the full round-robin until the field reaches 32 teams, at
> which point a switch to a 2-pool round robin would have to be made.
Yikes! a 30-team round robin? Well, it would be fun to play 29 matches!
Reminds me of those fabulous Candidates' tournaments from the '50s and
'60s.
> Just remember: if indivdiual schools can pull off 30+ team tourneys, CBI
> can too!
>
> Some of you might be saying "what about game officials?" Well, I would
> have *no* problem with requiring the schools to each bring one. In fact,
> that would only *improve* the quality of officials at Nationals. Last
> year, I can think of two *terrible* moderators and another one or two
> below average moderators at Nationals, and that was when it was just miles
> away from CBI headquarters. If people involved with the teams came as
> officials, we'd get officials who do this more than once or twice a year.
And as I've mentioned over and over, teams should also be required to
bring a game official to the RCTs to alleviate moderating problems there
as well. as well. as well. as well.
Sorry -- I guess I *am* sounding like a broken record now....
--Ted Schuerzinger
Finance Director, Dartmouth Broadcasting
Fe...@Dartmouth.EDU
Dartmouth College Bowl -- 1994 Region 1 Champions!
Patrick G. Matthews
gradually, ending up eventually with 32 teams eight or so years from now,
Ted misconstrued something.
Basically, I was saying that until the field hit 32 teams, the tourney
should be run as a full round-robin. Ted then asked "Would you have a 30
team round robin?"
The answer is no. My plan calls for jumping from 24 to 32 teams. The three
or so years at 24 would be the largest full round-robin NCT's. Thereafter,
with the field at 32, it would be a two-pool affair.
gree...@news.delphi.com
give the 15 Regional winners automatic bids to Nationals. Then, hold one
or more tournaments, open to say any team that had finshed top four in
Regionals, and let the top (three? five? nine?) go to Nationals.
Expensive? Maybe. But one way to do it would be to have CBI license
invitational hosts to hold these tournament, using CBI questions of
course. As an example, instead of hosting their normal invitational, such
and such schools would host these Qualification Tournaments. Have three,
in various areas of the country and let the top three go from each. Wind
up with a manageable 24 team field.
This way, no team can get trapped behing another in their region, rights
of regional winners from the weaker regions are preserved, and any team
with enough skill, persistance, and money can make the NCT.
I would suggest moving the time of Regionals under this plan. RCTS held
early February (second weekend?), qualifiers held first weekend of March,
NCT held about when it is now.
Sure there are details--many of them, and I don't see the dinosaurs at
CBI doing this soon or ever. But it is a suggestion, and this is the
place to put it.
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Sendhil Revuluri
If I may offer a slight refinement: accelerate the 24-32 jump, and
even the growth before that. Ramp up by 4 teams a year until 24.
This way things will be done before we are all old and crotchety (not
that some of us are not already ;)
Then, when 32 teams is reached, make the final (after the pooled
round-robins) an 8-team round-robin among the top 4 from each bracket,
with a final faceoff for the TV cameras. This would keep the number
of matches around 23-24.
Other concerns:
I don't think expanding the NCT would stress many parts of the system
besides question generation. But this is still something to consider.
Then again, the questions were so much better this time (still being
vague!) that maybe CBI/Decker solved the problem already.
A problem with requiring teams to bring their own officials is (as we
all know, and as Ted mentioned) budgets. I think this is less of a
problem for RCTs, but then we get to schools with noone who is really
experienced enough to be an official (generally not a problem for
NCT). If somehow the "responsible person" (chaperone/staff member/coach
/random schmoe) could always be counted on to be an impartial,
available, and competent official, then this wouldn't be any extra
effort, but chaperones can't be expected to be good officials and
coaches can't be expected to be available.
Finally, this brings to mind a question that's been bouncing around in
my head for some time -- how would CB change if we played long-
distance, over computer networks or something? I will withhold my
comments to avoid focusing the discussion too early, but if noone else
seems to care about this, I'll kick it along later.
Sendhil
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gmd...@acfcluster.nyu.edu
>... My plan calls for jumping from 24 to 32 teams. The three
>or so years at 24 would be the largest full round-robin NCT's. Thereafter,
>with the field at 32, it would be a two-pool affair.
Dear Pat,
How about making an Eastern and a Western conference. We could give
them cool names like the NHL used to have. Maybe we could have the conference
finals in different locations, and the ACUI championship the following week.
Warmly,
Gregory M. Draves
President, NYU's
College Bowl Team
P.S. To follow up the Washington Square News's coverage of the region III RCT,
it was a fiasco. The guy who covered our story is an idiot. He spelled my
name wrong through the entire article even after I went back while he was
writing it and corrected it for him.
GMD
rowell jonathan tyrone
>Finally, this brings to mind a question that's been bouncing around in
>my head for some time -- how would CB change if we played long-
>distance, over computer networks or something? I will withhold my
>comments to avoid focusing the discussion too early, but if noone else
>seems to care about this, I'll kick it along later.
With fiber optic hook ups, it might conceivably be possible for schools
to compete over long distance. Only problem is, how do you know which
person rings in. the light in the fibers (or the electrons for the net)
don't travel instantaneously. Having the master buzzer unit at either
site would give that team a decided speed advantage.
It might degenerate into a NC Quiz Bowl Tournament:
"Sendhil, Chicago, you question is ...."
"I'm sorry, incorrect. Can you you take it, Jonathan, Wilmington?"
I know that no one wants that.
It'd be nice, but I don't see a way to work it out feasibly just yet.
>Sendhil
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rowell jonathan tyrone <row...@sol.cms.uncwil.edu> wrote:
>With fiber optic hook ups, it might conceivably be possible for schools
>to compete over long distance. Only problem is, how do you know which
>person rings in. the light in the fibers (or the electrons for the net)
>don't travel instantaneously. Having the master buzzer unit at either
>site would give that team a decided speed advantage.
Let's see.. the maximum distance between players in the US is about 3000
miles. Light (and electricity) travels at the speed of light (or very
nearly so), which is 186,000 miles/second, so the lag time between
those players is 3000/186000 seconds, or about 1/60th of a second. Might
cause a problem, but only in *very* close buzzes.
D^2
David C. Tuttle
>
> Finally, this brings to mind a question that's been bouncing around in
> my head for some time -- how would CB change if we played long-
> distance, over computer networks or something?
You may be surprised to learn that the original College Bowl radio
program in the 1950's actually did this (at least sometimes). The
teams would play from their home campuses, and the moderator would
read the questions from the radio network's studios. The schools
were linked to the studios via telephone lines. Having never heard
a tape of these matches, I don't know how well it worked.
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Patrick G. Matthews
>I don't see why the National Trounament couldn't expand to 32
>teams in one year. It is obvious that they have a very popular
>program and that there are many teams out there that deserve a chance
>at the national title. The program is also growing rapidly.
Yes, but growth in the base of volunteers (without whom you can't run
regionals or nationals) isn't keeping pace with the growth in the campus
program.
>I agree completely with whoever said that if colleges can hold 30+ team
>invitationals that CBI ought to be able to handle a 32 team tournament. In
>each of the past 2 years we've brought 30+ high school teams to Western,
>and that doesn't even compare to the 100+ that Vanderbilt hosts. Penn
>Bowl brings in 35-40 college teams. And we're all college students. At
>CBI they do this sort of thing for a living.
That was me :)
My point is that it *can* be done, and it could possibly even be done
immediately. But there are numerous hurdles to overcome before it can be
done. The big thing to combat is the "it's always been done this way"
mentality. A *lot* of people on the College Bowl Committee would raise
this objection.
Also, I wouldn't want to see the jump happen all at once because Nationals
should feel special. I'm afraid that if the change weren't gradual that
nationals would feel like just another invitational, but with better
teams. Anyone who'sbeen to nationals recently can confirm that the
atmosphere is just different. I'd hate to lose that by expanding too quickly.
But if expansion is part of a long-term plan, and CBI were able to adapt
and learn, then the expansion probably wouldn't hurt the "specialness" of
the event.
>There is no reason why Michigan and Harvard shouldn't attend Nationals.
>We beat U. of M. in the regional final, but by a total of 20 points.
>That could just as easily have been two Michigan wins. It sounds like
>the same thing happened at several regions.
I agree. To take Penn's example, Penn and Princeton met 4 times. Each team
won two games. Total points scored: Princeton 1030, Penn 1025. And the
list goes on in other regions.
>Also, if teams brought their own people to staff the tournament,
>you probably wouldn't get any of the horrible moderation that acts
>as the great equalizer between a good team and a mediocre one.
I went as a game official this year, and since it was my first regional as
an official I was assigned to keep score. The moderator in my room
moderates every year, but regionals is the *only* time she ever moderates.
She got through 16 (pretty damn consistently) tossups per game, which I
consider excruciatingly slow. I was able to moderate a few matches near
the end of the tourney, and I never read *fewer* than 23 tossups. And I
must have been enunciating clearly, because the scores were *way* up in
the matches I moderated.
>Me and another WMU college bowler had signed up a long time before the
>tournament to help out, since we wouldn't be playing. When we showed
>up at the meeting for staff in the morning, we told the director that we
>could moderate if they needed us, because we've both done it a lot in
>the past. They decided to have us scorekeep instead, and we had to
>sit through the tournament listening to moderators stumble through
>questions. For the most part the moderation was good, but there were a
>few who obviously hadn't read questions since last year. This just
>shouldn't happen.
I agree. If every school brought a game official, then we'd get more
officials who do this sort of thing on a regular basis.
>Hopefully soneone at CBI keeps up with this newsgroup, because it
>is probably the best way to keep up with what we college players
>are concerned about. If no one at CBI reads it, perhaps one of us
>should contact them with information about how to get on line.
It sure would be nice if they did read this group. Of course, if they did,
it would probably be best if whoever was the "designated reader" pretty
much remained a lurker.
Guy Jordan
I think we all have to agree that teams such as Harvard, Stanford,
Michigan, Swarthmore, and others who are very very good, and consistantly
in the top 25 *should* be able to go to Nationals. It's hard to believe
that the team who finished ***2nd*** last year has only a 1/15 chance of
even going. Why not have a PennBowl-like two bracket draw, with 15 teams
in each bracket, and the top two going to semifinals and a final. I'm
sure that they could find people to moderate, and it wouldn't take much
longer than the regular tournament. The bad side of this idea would be
that the final round of regional tournaments would become a mere battle for
pride, but methinks that the empahasis should be on nationals, not regionals.
Who really takes time to care that they're the regional champ. What they
*care* about is that they are going to Florida for a shot at the national
championship. I for one could care less that we're the ACU-I champion of
"Pennsylvania excluding Philadelphia, Maryland, and the District of Columbia"
People care more about what winning regionals *means* (going to nationals)
rather than the victory itself. The current system is not all that "bad",
but it really isn't fair to teams in regions where there are four or five
legit "top 25" squads. Even where there are two, as with the
Michigan/Western Michigan battle, *someone* has to get the shaft (in this
case Michigan). There should indeed be a larger field at nationals which
is more representative of the *best* teams in the nation, not just a field
that is geographically diverse.
-Guy
Doug O'Neal
Some of you may recall that last fall, Mark Murphy (the esteemed and
honored founder of College Bowl-Penn State) posted a rather detailed
proposal for remote academic buzzer competitions. At the time it
generated some discussion. If anybody's interested in corresponding
with Mark about this, email me and I'll give you his address.
Doug
Doug Bone
I thought about how to do this, and may build the hardware if I have
time (which isn't that likely). You should play over the phone line,
having players signal with different phone keys. The questions are read
at location A, whereas the adjudicator box is at location B. THis
completely eliminates timing problems or a perception of timing problems
as a problem, since exactly 1 trip between locations A and B is required.
You can use a tone decoder chip to decode phone tones. Note that this
means you use a single line for voice and data, since data is simply
phone tones. I looked at the specs for tone decoder chips to see what
kind of response was available, but haven't actively pursued this
recently, though we have a match set with Michigan when (and if) this
is built.
This system is significantly cheaper than a conventional buzzer,
especially if you eschew buzzers and use phones. There is no
indication of who buzzed in except at the adjudicator box, but having
2 communication channels complicates the problem unnecessarily.
Eric Hillemann
matt...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu writes (discussing expanding the national
tournament field from 16 to 32):
>My point is that it *can* be done, and it could possibly even be done
>immediately. But there are numerous hurdles to overcome before it can be
>done. The big thing to combat is the "it's always been done this way"
>mentality. A *lot* of people on the College Bowl Committee would raise
>this objection.
A quibble: granted, having two from each region advance rather than one
would be breaking new ground, but I don't think you should assume that
the College Bowl Committee would resist change simply on the grounds that
"it's always been done this way." For one thing, it HASN'T always been
done exactly the same way. In 1986, the only year I've had the pleasure
of being at CBI nationals, the national field was only four teams because
at that time there was an intermediate round of playoffs called
"Sectionals" to which Regionals winners advanced. Then only the
Sectionals winners went to Nationals. The College Bowl Committee has
always been willing to make a change, if they are convinced it is an
improvement -- for instance, the graduate student rule. I would expect
the flavor of initial objections to your proposal to be more along the
lines of "if it ain't broke..." rather than "but it's always been done
this way." Which may not seem like a very significant distinction, but
there is a difference. The College Bowl Committee is no more likely
to resist changes simply because they are a bunch of hidebound
traditionalists than they are likely to make changes simply for the sake
of change.
Eric Hillemann
Carleton Coach/Region 10 Coordinator
Matt Bruce
Regarding playing over the net: the Internet Chess Server seems
to work fairly well, but has problems sometimes with time lag at
individual systems. This can be bad when you make your move
_immediately_, yet 24 seconds still tick off your clock somehow. For the
more instantaneous CBI style, this would be deadly, too much so for any
multi-system tourney to be feasible.
Also, out of curiosity: if CBI has ever been televised since the
GE/50's days, who carried it and to what markets?
--Matt
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Ted Schuerzinger
ro6...@unix1.circ.gwu.edu (Guy Jordan) writes:
> I think we all have to agree that teams such as Harvard, Stanford,
> Michigan, Swarthmore, and others who are very very good, and consistantly
> in the top 25 *should* be able to go to Nationals.
I agree.
> It's hard to believe
> that the team who finished ***2nd*** last year has only a 1/15 chance of
> even going. Why not have a PennBowl-like two bracket draw, with 15 teams
> in each bracket, and the top two going to semifinals and a final.
Maybe, but as I've said, I'd rather see just the top 16 teams go, rather
than having most of the top 16 teams, as well as some teams lucky to come
from weak regions that might not make it if they were in almost any other
RCT.
> I'm sure that they could find people to moderate, and it wouldn't take much
> longer than the regular tournament.
I like the idea of each team bringing one moderator-type person, but from
what I've heard of this year's RCTs, a lot of those people didn't get to
moderate, while crummy moderators who moderate only at RCTs got to do the
reading. Is there any way we as players can get the good readers to
moderate? Short of writing on our evaluation forms something like, "I
thought <insert name(s) of lousy moderator(s)> were terrible moderators
and should not be allowed to moderate next year?" [Note: I don't have
anybody in particular in mind. I don't think the moderating in our region
was anywhere near that bad as to warrant such a drastic measure.]
> The bad side of this idea would be that the final round of regional
> tournaments would become a mere battle for pride, but methinks that the
> empahasis should be on nationals, not regionals.
Well, I think we *all* want to go to Nationals!
> Who really takes time to care that they're the regional champ. What they
> *care* about is that they are going to Florida for a shot at the national
> championship.
While people certainly do care about going to the NCT, I think that some
may also care about having beaten a particular rival. I can imagine the
Princeton folks thinking, "We beat Penn!!" After four years of losing to
Penn in the finals, I'd be happy to have beaten them if I were a Princeton
player! In my case, I know I'm happy to have finally exorcised the demon
of the Harvard team after what happened in the 1993 RCT. There may well
be other regions where this holds (Berkeley over Stanford or Iowa State
over Minnesota, for example; I'm sure Randy and the other Vanderbilt
players would love to beat Virginia too).
> I for one could care less that we're the ACU-I champion of "Pennsylvania
> excluding Philadelphia, Maryland, and the District of Columbia". People
> care more about what winning regionals *means* (going to nationals)
> rather than the victory itself.
I believe this is generally true, but see my counterargument above.
> The current system is not all that "bad", but it really isn't fair to teams
> in regions where there are four or five legit "top 25" squads. Even where
> there are two, as with the Michigan/Western Michigan battle, *someone* has
> to get the shaft (in this case Michigan). There should indeed be a larger
> field at nationals which is more representative of the *best* teams in the
> nation, not just a field that is geographically diverse.
As I've argued numerous times on this forum, I'd rather just see a
Nationals field that has the best teams; who cares how geographically
diverse they are? That's one of the things I like about my
"interregional" idea. True, there would be no real need for semifinal or
finals matches, which is unfortunate, as I agree that those matches can be
incredibly exciting, but this way, the chances of getting the top 16 teams
would be much higher. Unless, of course, a region had five or more top-25
caliber teams, but I don't think there's any region that has five top-25
caliber teams.
Another advantage I see in an interregional system is that it gives teams
ample opportunity to show off their ability. Everybody can have one bad
match against a mediocre school; nobody should be kept out of Nationals
simply because of one bad match. This is one of the reasons why I was
almost incensed to see some of the regions have single-elimination
playoffs, or worse, no playoffs at all! Under an interregional system,
any team that made the NCT would have had to play against some of the top
teams in the country, regardless of which region they came from. And if a
supposedly top-25 team didn't make nationals, then they just didn't play
well enough and may not have deserved to make the nationals.
Of course, there is a little financial problem in getting teams to an
extra tournament in between regionals and nationals....
--Ted Schuerzinger
Finance Director, Dartmouth Broadcasting
Fe...@Dartmouth.EDU
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gre...@delphi.com
> How about making an Eastern and a Western conference. We could give
>them cool names like the NHL used to have. Maybe we could have the conference
>finals in different locations, and the ACUI championship the following week.
impractical. First finding the money to have schools attend a extra round
of playoffs (the "conference finals") and then going to Nationals having to
buy plane tickets on less than a week's notice? Remember, CB doesn't have
the financial resouces of the NHL (unfortunately!).
Greg
Wash U. Coach
Eric Hillemann
mlb...@scws14.harvard.edu writes:
> Also, out of curiosity: if CBI has ever been televised since the
>GE/50's days, who carried it and to what markets?
I remember watching some year (1984) when the championship showdown
between the University of Minnesota and somebody was on prime time, from
the campus of Ohio State. And then in about 1987 or so the whole
National tournament was recorded and was then shown the following fall
one match a week on the Disney channel. Dick Cavett was the host, which
was apparently pretty unpopular with the players as he didn't know the
game very well and would waste time making jokes and being a media
personality while the clock was running. There may have been other
televised times, I'm not sure. Some early 80s nationals were on radio, I
think.
Eric Hillemann
Carleton Coach
Craig Leff
(Matt Bruce) wrote:
I just saw an ad for Multivision software, which runs NTN Trivia at bars
and other interactive games. How do they do what they do? If it works for
NTN, will it work for CB?
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My opinions are mine and not those of my employers.
At the sound of the falling tree...it's 9:30. There's a whole lotta wood
out there, so let's get goin'.
Craig Leff
<ehil...@carleton.edu> wrote:
That was Wash. Univ., my alma mater, and a team I coached, that lost to
Minn with Pat Sajak as host.
I've heard similar stories abou Cavett: "ya wanna see a toss-up? Here's a
toss-up" as he throws all the questions into the air and walks off the set.
I believe 1978 NCT was videotaped. In 79, only last matches were video'd,
I believe. In 1980, NCT was on CBS Radio. In 1981, teams could qualify
for NCT by being Regional winner OR by winning 3 consecutive matches on
radio. If they won the Regionals, too, the 2nd place team went. So in
1981 there were qualifying matches plus the NCT on radio -- I have low
generation tapes of our games made from CBS masters.
All this is as best as I can remember. Would love to hear corrections...
Tanya N Cota-Robles
: I just saw an ad for Multivision software, which runs NTN Trivia at bars
: and other interactive games. How do they do what they do? If it works for
: NTN, will it work for CB?
From what I've seen of those games (my team went to one of those restaurants
after practice once), the game is only played amongst the people in the
restaurant at the time, so lag in going to be about equal for all players
and you got a certain number of points depending on how fast and with how
few clues you could answer the question. The same questions are asked across
the country, but the final scores of the players nationwide only get sent
into where ever at the end of the day or every so often, not immediately
upon answering. Basically, the format is *entirely* different and is
designed not to come down to the split-second differences that CB is
known for.
Craig Leff
Cota-Robles) wrote:
Interesting. So THAT'S how it works. I had thought it might be more
interactive than that.
I do know a former CB All-Star who is making a living (well, almost) on
NTN. He has won numerous TVs, microwaves, and other fascinating home
appliances by being high scorer over whatever region and/or time period NTN
selects.
Tanya N Cota-Robles
v>
Distribution: world
Craig Leff (cl...@haleakala.jpl.nasa.gov) wrote:
: I do know a former CB All-Star who is making a living (well, almost) on
: NTN. He has won numerous TVs, microwaves, and other fascinating home
: appliances by being high scorer over whatever region and/or time period NTN
: selects.
Oh, so he's an appliance salesman? ;)
Tanya
le...@utdallas.edu
Official UT-Dallas College Bowl Netrunner
David Dixon
Tanya N Cota-Robles <le...@utdallas.edu> wrote:
>Craig Leff (cl...@haleakala.jpl.nasa.gov) wrote:
>
>: I just saw an ad for Multivision software, which runs NTN Trivia at bars
>: and other interactive games. How do they do what they do? If it works for
>: NTN, will it work for CB?
>
>the country, but the final scores of the players nationwide only get sent
>into where ever at the end of the day or every so often, not immediately
>upon answering. Basically, the format is *entirely* different and is
Actually, they show the national scores at the end of each game, which is
typically half an hour long. The questions aren't bad, though there have
been some rather egregious errors (did *you* know that Madame Curie
discovered radioactivity? All these years I thought it was Becquerel! :))
D^2
Benjamin Todd Tritle
gmd...@acfcluster.nyu.edu
Dear Greg,
Perhaps, for the national final, an airline or something would grant a
promotional consideration. It is only 2 teams, and I don't think it would be
that difficult for CBI with everyone paying upwards of $100 to participate in
regionals to fly maybe 15 persons out to LA or wherever. An expanded field of
teams means probably 16 teams in each conference final. Perhaps if we lower
some prices, we can increase the number of schools with programs, thereby
increasing RCT participation, maybe have more regions?...maybe 32 regions
instead of 16? that would perhaps increase the number of schools
participating in RCT's because they would presumably be closer.
You don't need the funds of the NHL to organize like the NHL.
gree...@news.delphi.com
>P.S. To follow up the Washington Square News's coverage of the region III RCT,
>it was a fiasco. The guy who covered our story is an idiot. He spelled my
>name wrong through the entire article even after I went back while he was
>writing it and corrected it for him.
> GMD
Greg,
Consider yourself lucky. In two years as NYU College Bowl's President
(1985-87) I was able to get almost no media coverage, even for the 1987
Regional win. But is bad coverage worse than none?
Gary Greenbaum
(GBA [now called Stern] '87)
Gilbert & Sullivan quote of the day:
"But a Man, however well behaved,
At best is only a monkey shaved."
(Princess Ida, Act II)
John Todor
somewhat, I do not believe that the best way to do this is to divide into
Eastern and Western conferences with the two conference champions meeting
for a final. I believe this because one of the points of a national tournament
is for all of the best teams to get together, not just the two that emerge from
conferences. In basketball and hockey the geographic differences and single
(in the case of NCAA hoops) or series elim in hockey make more sense; in college
bowl, however, the fourteen-minute games and lack of physical exertion make
a round robin more feasible and more enjoyable for the top teams. Also,
being at nationals gives opportunties for intersectional matchups that probably
wouldn't happen at invitationals. I know that my team can only get to ACUI
nationals on a wildcard, but at ACF Nationals last year I felt that the
intersectional matchups added to the interest.
J.J.
gree...@news.delphi.com
In 1984, NBC did a one-hour show, live from St. John 's Arena at Ohio
State. Minnesota beat Vasser in the finals, as I recall. Princeton and
someone else were the semifinalists. The semifinals and finals were shown
interspersed with shots of cheerleaders and excerpts from GE College Bowl.
The show was the lowest-rated show of the week.
Nationals were held at EPCOT and televised on the Disney Channel in
1987. The players were generally unhappy with the tourney. There were
problems with the excessive heat in the studio (which was The Land
pavilion, remodelled). Cavett STUNK as a moderator. They made us all
dress like the Menendez Bbrothers. And there were severe problems with
game play. We (NYU) were eliminated on an epic protest which frankly
still hurts. I'm not going into the details--I'm biased--but the protest
led to the anti-"the first one" rule for tossups where there is a choice
of answers. Nuff said. There were other problems, including any number
of protests, delays, and other foul ups. Not a happy experience, except
for Minnesota, which seemed to thrive on TV over the years.
College Bowl has not been televised on a network basis since then.
Gary Greenbaum
Gilbert and Sullivan quote of the day:
Lady Psyche: While a Man, however well-behaved
At best is only a monkey shaved!
(Princess Ida, Act II)
Jennie Rosenbaum
>
> In 1984, NBC did a one-hour show, live from St. John 's Arena at Ohio
>State. Minnesota beat Vasser in the finals, as I recall. Princeton and
>someone else were the semifinalists. The semifinals and finals were shown
>interspersed with shots of cheerleaders and excerpts from GE College Bowl.
> The show was the lowest-rated show of the week.
>
if the cheerleaders were anything like Penn's cheerleaders then I'm sure
people would change the channel when they came on.
Actually, I can see it now: Penn athletics decides to expand its breadth
and sends the cheerleaders to QOTC III. They only have to change their
routine slightly:
Basketball Cheer College Bowl Cheer
---------------- ------------------
De-fense! Of-fense!
Now we want two! Now we want ten!
Bas-ket! Toss-up!
Air-ball! Minus-five!
Of course, by this time Pat Friel has lost whatever Tv coverage he had
managed to get and Penn is booted from the tournament on grounds of bad taste.
I mean, really, CHEERLEADERS?
Jennie Rosenbaum
Hasn't been a cheerleader since fourth grade
Doug O'Neal
> Oh God, Gary, cheerleaders? No wonder the show got no viewers. I mean,
> if the cheerleaders were anything like Penn's cheerleaders then I'm sure
> people would change the channel when they came on.
> Actually, I can see it now: Penn athletics decides to expand its breadth
> and sends the cheerleaders to QOTC III. They only have to change their
> routine slightly:
(excellent stuff deleted)
Actually, we tried to get the Nittany Lion and a group of crazed
students to come for the Pitt-Penn State CB challenge match. When PSU
was answering a bonus question, the crowd would silently raise their
arms, and if we got it right, say "WHOOSH!" in unison. When Pitt had
a bonus, they'd scream and wave their arms and whistle. Unfortunately
the Lion had other commitments.
> Jennie Rosenbaum
> Hasn't been a cheerleader since fourth grade
Doug O'Neal
Categorically dislikes the *concept* of cheerleaders
Thomas F. Michael
GREEN...@DELPHI.COM <gree...@news.delphi.com> wrote:
>
> In 1984, NBC did a one-hour show, live from St. John 's Arena at Ohio
>State. Minnesota beat Vasser in the finals, as I recall. Princeton and
>someone else were the semifinalists. The semifinals and finals were shown
>interspersed with shots of cheerleaders and excerpts from GE College Bowl.
> The show was the lowest-rated show of the week.
I think the other semi-finalist was Washington-Saint Louis. It wasn't
_just_ the lowest-rated show of the week; it was the lowest-rated prime
time network hour of the year. Part of the problem was that NBC didn't
promote it very well.
The show was to honor the "30th Anniversary" of College Bowl. Pat Sajak
moderated. In order to squeeze in the games amidst all the clips, halves
were cut to about five minutes each.
This year is the "40th Anniversary." I guess the network just wasn't
interested.
--
Tom Michael | Disclaimer: My opinions are
University of Virginia | my own, and not those of
Office of Continuing Medical Education | the University of Virginia
Coach, University Union College Bowl Team | or U.Va. U.U. College Bowl.
Boy of Destiny
Jennie Rosenbaum) writes:
[Gary Greenbaum's discussion of cheerleaders deleted]
>Oh God, Gary, cheerleaders? No wonder the show got no viewers. I mean,
>if the cheerleaders were anything like Penn's cheerleaders then I'm sure
>people would change the channel when they came on.
Now Jennie, I think you are taking a much too PC view here. Why not some
nubile young people to entertain during halftime? I would rather have the
Solid Gold Dancers, or even the gang from "Up With People" but cheerleaders
are fine with me.
>Of course, by this time Pat Friel has lost whatever Tv coverage he had
>managed to get and Penn is booted from the tournament on grounds of bad taste.
Since when was anyone in this group EVER been accused of good taste? :)
>I mean, really, CHEERLEADERS?
>Jennie Rosenbaum
>Hasn't been a cheerleader since fourth grade
What I want to know is if these cheerleaders ever associated with the
players, or did they keep to themselves. Were they a distraction? Gary, did
you meet one of them?
John
thinking of a cheer for his team, but can't come up with anything that
rhymes with Chicago, except maybe Mikado.
======================================================================
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University of Chicago Chicago, Illinois 60637
Student in the College (312) 702-5601
"It's not easy having a mind that operates on a higher plane than
everyone else's! People just refuse to see that I'm the crux of
all history, a boy of destiny!"- "Calvin and Hobbes"
=====================================================================
Matt Bruce
: Actually, I can see it now: Penn athletics decides to expand its breadth
: and sends the cheerleaders to QOTC III. They only have to change their
: routine slightly:
[cheers deleted] Our could still do "B-E-A-T, Beat the ___'s. Beat the
___'s, fight!" "First and ten, do it again, score, Harvard, score" could
become "First in: ten" or something...
: Of course, by this time Pat Friel has lost whatever Tv coverage he had
: managed to get and Penn is booted from the tournament on grounds of bad taste.
: I mean, really, CHEERLEADERS?
ObHighSchool: A team actually did bring their cheerleaders to a national
tournament (albeit in their home city) my sophomore year. I didn't
realize this until their team played in the quarterfinals right after
ours; but there the gals were, right in the TV studio. The minute things
cut to commerical, "B-E-L-L-A-I-R-E-- the red, the white, the red, the
white..."
Come to think of it, we don't need cheerleaders. But CB could use
some FANS. Pack an auditorium full-- dead silence during the toss-ups,
but they could go wild when the "home team" got a question. Maybe better
for untimed rounds.
Tanya N Cota-Robles
: thinking of a cheer for his team, but can't come up with anything that
: rhymes with Chicago, except maybe Mikado.
Iago?
I dunno....
Here's the team from U of Chicag-o!
We are not lost in the fog-o!
Through the competition we'll jog-o!
We're not traitors like Iago!
(or for something simpler)
We're not morons, we're Maroons!
Okay, okay, so they're bad....now you see why I've never tried to become
a cheerleader. ;)
Tanya
le...@utdallas.edu
Official UT-Dallas College Bowl Netrunner (and U of C sometime cheerleader?)
Ted Schuerzinger
mlb...@scws1.harvard.edu (Matt Bruce) quotes some Penn student:
> : I mean, really, CHEERLEADERS?
>
> ObHighSchool: A team actually did bring their cheerleaders to a national
> tournament (albeit in their home city) my sophomore year. I didn't
> realize this until their team played in the quarterfinals right after
> ours; but there the gals were, right in the TV studio. The minute things
> cut to commerical, "B-E-L-L-A-I-R-E-- the red, the white, the red, the
> white..."
> Come to think of it, we don't need cheerleaders. But CB could use
> some FANS. Pack an auditorium full-- dead silence during the toss-ups,
> but they could go wild when the "home team" got a question. Maybe better
> for untimed rounds.
One of the shows I was on back in high school had an audience. Basically,
anybody from the school who wanted to come could. One one of our
appearances we got about 30 people to show up. During the opening
credits, there would always be a pan of the audience. A few of the people
from our school held up signs such as "Is Elvis alive?" :-) Some people
did get a little cruel, of course. After our first victory, the next team
we played (coincidentally, from Jordan Katine's high school, although
Jordan was long gone by then) had a few signs saying things like "go back
to your little pond" or other such trash talk. We beat them by a few
hundred points....
Patrick Friel
PLease add to your QOTC III announcement:
COST
-$1 for bringing a squad of at least 4 uniformed cheerleaders
I'm serious, if anyone cares.
-PWF
A word to the wise: Never try to dye your hair using Kool-Aid.
Doug O'Neal
> We're not morons, we're Maroons!
Is that like the Philadelphia Phillies when they had Dale Murphy: 24 morons
and one Mormon? (Does anyone know who came up with that? I've heard both
Larry Andersen and John Kruk, both likely culprits.)
> Tanya
> le...@utdallas.edu
> Official UT-Dallas College Bowl Netrunner (and U of C sometime cheerleader?)
Doug
Jennie Rosenbaum
>With all of this discussion, I feel I have only one choice.
>
>PLease add to your QOTC III announcement:
>COST
>-$1 for bringing a squad of at least 4 uniformed cheerleaders
>
>I'm serious, if anyone cares.
>
give them pom poms, and call them our C team?
There's very little we won't do for a buck... :)
Jennie Rosenbaum
Can't Be a Cheerleader Anyway Because She's in the Band
Patrick Friel
(Jennie Rosenbaum) wrote:
> In article <friel-110...@mac04.marylyona.swarthmore.edu> fr...@sccs.swarthmore.edu (Patrick Friel) writes:
> >With all of this discussion, I feel I have only one choice.
> >
> >PLease add to your QOTC III announcement:
> >COST
> >-$1 for bringing a squad of at least 4 uniformed cheerleaders
> >
> >I'm serious, if anyone cares.
> >
> So does that mean I can put four of our freshman guys in short skirts,
> give them pom poms, and call them our C team?
Yep. I think most teams would be willing to cough up a buck just to see
it, so maybe there a lot more money to be made.
-PWF
Guy Jordan
O.K., I like this "cheer" thred idea:
The GWU Cheer--
Were the team ol' G-dub
the competition we-will-snub
we're the best from head-to-toe
and we can clone your em-bry-o!!
We fly the Buff, we fly the Blue
Spy on Us, we'll spy on YOU.
"protest" "protest" we will shout
The Fightin' Feds will run a rout!!
-Guy Jordan
John Todor
halls) to do the wave before a game. That was also the game I did my Dee Brown
imitation and pumped up my Reeboks in front of the crowd before the match
started. In case you didn't guess, this was right after the '91 NBA All-Star
game. I would like to have some crowd for college bowl events, but this seems
to be a problem with any college level academic competition; my debater friends
say there isn't much crowd outside of the other contestants for them, either.
I always enjoyed having matches televised, but I imagine there would have to
be some changes before either ACUI or ACF could be widely televised. For example,
ACUI rounds would probably have to be lengthened to fit the half-hour format,
while ACF questions obviously do not obey time constraints. It would be
interesting to see an ACF match televised, however, if only to see how people
who think Jeopardy! questions are high level would react to six-part bonus/
treatises on some of the more esoteric ACF topics. Also, some of the conduct
at CB matches can be, shall we say, less than telegenic (dress, language,
conduct violations, etc.) Personally, I don't know if I would want some of
my CB matches televised, although I usually done fairly well under the lights.
In any case, televised ACF would be a different experience (Welcome to the
Fox Network! Tonight we have The Simpsons, Martin, and ACF Nationals Finals!)
J.J.
Tanya N Cota-Robles
Buzz in quickly!
Get it right!
UT-Dallas!
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!
UT-Dallas, being the example...you can put almost *any* school in on that
line, if you play with the syllables.
I need to quit staying up late thinking of stupid ditties.
Tanya
le...@utdallas.edu
Official UT-Dallas College Bowl Cheerwriter (with motions in the team
to have said official impeached)
Patrick Friel
Bowl, especially ACF play. I only remember the first line, but I know it
is an old U. Chicago cheer, so maybe John, Peter, or Sendhil can help us
out here.
It begins:
Thucydides, Demosthenes, the Peloponesean War...
There's also a math/engineering one I have heard associated with MIT, but
they don't seem to read this too much. I'll guess we'll have to wait until
QOTC.
BTW, I'm working on a QOTC cheer. However, the only thing that rhymes with
QOTC is Yahtzee, and I don't think that is terribly relevant.
-PWF
Ted Schuerzinger
mlb...@scws1.harvard.edu (Matt Bruce) writes:
> Come to think of it, we don't need cheerleaders. But CB could use
> some FANS. Pack an auditorium full-- dead silence during the toss-ups,
> but they could go wild when the "home team" got a question. Maybe better
> for untimed rounds.
I think that the finals of a large tournament will have a reasonably
good-sized audience. Remember that the room was full for all three of our
matches at the RCT, Matt. I believe it was that way last year as well.
Actually, the audience got in a little trouble at the finals of the Beaver
Bowl this past fall. There was a bonus question about three famous people
who died in horse-riding accidents. I got the first one easily, and got
the second part on a completely random guess (the question went something
like, "Either of the two elements the victim discovered"), at which point
a number of the Dartmouth folks in the audience started to laugh. After
we got the third, to get 30/30 on the bonus, a very partisan part of the
audience got quite loud, at which point the moderator had to shut them up.
It's too bad there's nothing intrinsic to College Bowl that could make an
audience oooh and ahhh like the audience on Wheel of Fortune, however.
:-)
Guy Jordan
Patrick Friel <fr...@sccs.swarthmore.edu> wrote:
>A word to the wise: Never try to dye your hair using Kool-Aid.
.
.
O.K., ten foot pole please. .
.
(OH YEAH!!)
-Guy Jordan
Patrick G. Matthews
I sure hope there's a story behind this one :)
Pat
--
"Young Patrick" Matthews matt...@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
314 South 40th Street Penn Band Flag-Waver Extraordinaire
Philadelphia, PA 19104 Penn College Bowl Foreign Minister
(215) 382-2491 Owner, East Norwalk New Originals
Patrick Friel
(Patrick G. Matthews) wrote:
> In article <friel-110...@mac04.marylyona.swarthmore.edu> fr...@sccs.swarthmore.edu (Patrick Friel) writes:
> >A word to the wise: Never try to dye your hair using Kool-Aid.
>
> I sure hope there's a story behind this one :)
>
There is not much of a story. I had heard from my sister that one could
dye one's hair with Kool-Aid. I asked a friend, and she said she had heard
of this and described a technique. I thought it would be fun if I got my
hair to match my eyes (blue, for those of you who have not lovingly stared
into them). Well, I got to the supermarket, and I got the only Kool-Aid
that seemed blue. I later learned that only the package was blue, but the
stuff was red. I tried it, and it immediately rinsed out. I did make a
mess of the bathroom, though.
I might as well share with you what would have been the next post in
alt.college.college-bowl.patrick's.wacky.hijinks. Those of you at Penn and
others who will be in the area (for QOTC III, of course) are encouraged to
pick up a copy of the Welcomat in the next couple of weeks and attempt to
figure out which of the personal ads is mine. It's not like the one I
posted here.
Happy hunting!
-PWF
P.S.: I bought a big container. Free Kool-Aid at QOTC III!
Boy of Destiny
swarthmore.edu (Patrick Friel) writes:
>I just thought of a cheer which would be quite appropriate for College
>Bowl, especially ACF play. I only remember the first line, but I know it
>is an old U. Chicago cheer, so maybe John, Peter, or Sendhil can help us
>out here.
>It begins:
>Thucydides, Demosthenes, the Peloponesean War...
Can you believe that I have been racking my brains about this cheer ever
since this thread developed? Patrick's question just incited me to actually
do some research. So according to our fascinating admissions handbook
"Dreams and Choices":
Themistocles, Thucydides, the Peloponnesian War
X-squared, Y-squared, H2SO4,
Who for? What for?
Who are we gonna yell for- MAROONS!
Mind you, I have never heard anyone using this cheer. I prefer what we did
in high school before the biggest game of the year: a rousing sermon in
Chapel (Episcopalian school), followed by a chorus of "Onward Christian
Soldiers", and a pep rally with the best cheer of them all:
Kill, kill, hate, hate, murder, murder, mutilate!
When that was deemed too cruel and bloodthirsty, the administration asked
for it to stop being used. The science faculty created a more PC cheer:
Opress them, opress them, make them relinquish the ball!
John
who is planning on inflitrating top teams during his spring break! :)
Ilene Morgan
particular cheer from MIT. There are a couple of different versions;
here's the one that I'm familiar with:
E to the x, dy, dx,
E to the x, dx;
Secant, cosine, tangent, sine,
Three point one four one five nine,
Square root, cube root, log of pi:
Dis-integrate them, RPI!
I believe the next-to-last line of the original version was:
Square root, cube root, log base e:
And you're all smart enough to figure out the last line.
Having been in the Pep Band back at Rensselpolyinstitechnitute, I learned
a few other silly cheers. This one has nothing to do with engineering,
but it has a certain perverse charm.
Stand up, sit down, squat on your seat,
Lie on your back and wiggle your feet,
Pick your nose and scratch your ear;
Who are we for? Rensselaer!
Oh, well, I guess you had to be there.
See you at QOTC,
Ilene
--
Ilene H. Morgan *******Standard Disclaimers Apply********
Graduate Assistant I've finally figured out my problem. All
Math Dept. Penn State Univ. these years I've had my ear to the grind-
e-mail: mor...@math.psu.edu stone and my nose to the railroad tracks.
Patrick G. Matthews
[...]
>When that was deemed too cruel and bloodthirsty, the administration asked
>for it to stop being used. The science faculty created a more PC cheer:
>
>Opress them, opress them, make them relinquish the ball!
In the Penn Band, we somehow got a similar cheer:
"Harass them, harass them, make them relinquish the ball!" Of course, in
high school I too used the "kill, kill" cheer.
Two other goodies:
Ice cold beer makes you want to cheer,
Ice cold gin makes you want to win,
Ice cold duck makes you want to......score!
Rick 'em, rack 'em, rock 'em, ruck 'em,
Get that that ball and really.....fight!
>John
>who is planning on inflitrating top teams during his spring break! :)
I guess Penn's a top team :) What other programs are you practicing with? :)
David Dixon
Ilene Morgan <mor...@math.psu.edu> wrote:
>I didn't go to MIT, but I did go to Rensselaer, which plagiarized this
>particular cheer from MIT. There are a couple of different versions;
>here's the one that I'm familiar with:
>
>E to the x, dy, dx,
>E to the x, dx;
>Secant, cosine, tangent, sine,
>Three point one four one five nine,
>Square root, cube root, log of pi:
>Dis-integrate them, RPI!
>
I think the MIT cheer was:
E to the y, dy dx
E to the x dx
Cosine secant tangent sine
Three point one four one five nine
Integral, radical, u dv
Slipstick, sliderule, M I T!
Of course, this is secondhand. I have seen the RPI cheer in, of all
places, Reader's Digest.
D^2
Sendhil Revuluri
> X-squared, Y-squared, H2SO4,
> Who for? What for?
> Who are we gonna yell for- MAROONS!
the hell we yellin' for? GooooooooOOOOOOOOO maROONS!
> Mind you, I have never heard anyone using this cheer.
I heard it at the one football game I ever went to. (OK, I'm lying,
I've never been to a football game. But my friend told me he started
it at a football game last year.)
And the Model UN team used it when we went to Harvard.
> Opress [sic] them, opress [sic] them, make them relinquish the ball!
Sheesh, we were using this one (correctly spelled) years ago. It's
not original with us either. Does anyone know where it -does- come
from?
Sendhil
--
Sendhil Revuluri (s-rev...@uchicago.edu)
University of Chicago
Doug O'Neal
Gee, I've always liked:
WE ARE ... PENN STATE!!!!
And since Central Pennsylvanians are so polite, that's followed by:
THANK YOU ... YOU'RE WELCOME!!!!
Doug
Penn State Nittany Lionesses (women's basketball) ... goin' for the Big Ten
title tomorrow.
John Todor
Who needs cheerleaders? Let's bring in Dick Vitale! I can see it now...
"J.J., need to get a T-U, baby. Toss-Up! Dipsy-doo, buzzer-oo! It's
KNOWLEDGE CITY, BABY!!!!!"
On the other hand, maybe things aren't so bad the way they are now.
J.J.
gree...@news.delphi.com
It is fun to have an audience. One of the few good things about '87
Nationals at EPCOT was the audience, which was mostly park visitors
invited in by Disney personnel, along with the usual non-playing teams,
etc. The audience was pretty good, stayed silent mostly, but would break
into applause on occaison. I got a tossup which appeared to the unknowing
audience (including the unknowing moderator Cavett) to be a good play
(although really it was a race to the buzzer) and it was a good feeling
when the audience broke into applause. I wish there were more audiences
in this game, it is funto have one.
Gary Greenbaum
_____________________
Gilbert and Sullivan quote of the day:
Sir Bailey Barre:
All preconceived ideas on any subject I can scout
And demonstrate beyond all possibility of doubt,
That whether you're an honest man or whether you're a thief
Depends on whose solicitor has given me my brief.
(UTOPIA LIMITED, Act I)
David Vacca
> Actually, I can see it now: Penn athletics decides to expand its breadth
> and sends the cheerleaders to QOTC III. They only have to change their
> routine slightly:
My high school Quiz Bowl team had, in a sense, cheerleaders. Or at
least _a_ cheerleader, Amy, who said that watching Quiz Bowl was better
than "Jeopardy". She never actually led a cheer, but she would show up
in her kicky baby-blue-and-white miniskirt and jumper and bring her pom-
poms as well. This was because our games were usually held as practice
for the cheerleaders ended, so she'd come on over right after. She did
not wear her cheerleader outfit to tease the geeks (she _claimed_). Nor
did she wear it to maximize the advantage our team could muster from
having one female player, who (with 90% confidence) was not affected by
displays of cheerleader legs.
Unfortunately, she was dating our all-conference baseball pitcher at
the time of the St. Joseph's vs. St. Joseph game; the game in which the
question "How long is a pitcher's rubber?" was asked. I will not dignify
the comments with repetition; suffice to say that she (1) missed our next
game, and (2) the moderators laughed so hard that they forgot to penalize
us for what was, technically, a conference.
(The correct answer, 18 inches, only made things worse.)
---
David Vacca, morally opposed to cheerleaders anyway.
Reservist benchwarming peon, GWU College Bowl.
Ted Schuerzinger
jjt...@husc8.harvard.edu (John Todor) writes:
No!!! Not Dick Vitale!! If Dick Vitale were brought in, every other
toss-up would probably be about Jason Kidd. :-)
Lance Martin Finney
: E to the x, dx;
: Secant, cosine, tangent, sine,
: Three point one four one five nine,
: Square root, cube root, log of pi:
: Dis-integrate them, RPI!
Funny, this is the version I heard:
C to the x, C to the y
C to the x, dy
secant, tangent, cosine, sine,
Three point one four one five nine,
integrate, integrate,
rah, rah rah
gooooooooooooo Math Geeks!
Or whatever...
--
Lance Finney lm...@cec1.wustl.edu
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The Black Vegetable
>
>Sheesh, we were using this one (correctly spelled) years ago. It's
>not original with us either. Does anyone know where it -does- come
>from?
>
>Sendhil
Here at Williams, the Mucho Macho Moocow Marching Band uses "Repulse
them, repulse them, make them relinquish the ball!" We have several
pages of this stuff. Traditional pre-game cheers include "The ref is
a wonderful guy! The ref is a wonderful guy! The check is in the
mail! The check is in the mail!" We also have variations on most of
what's been posted already...."Seduce them, seduce them, lay them all
over the field," for example, and lots of others vaguely sexual.
Guy Jordan
John Todor <jjt...@husc8.harvard.edu> wrote:
>In any case, televised ACF would be a different experience (Welcome to the
>Fox Network! Tonight we have The Simpsons, Martin, and ACF Nationals Finals!)
Yeah, that *would* be hillarious! "And now, your moderator and host for
the match to decide this years National Champion......James Carrey!!!!!"
"Hello boys-and-girls....."
Guy Jordan
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gree...@news.delphi.com
With respect to your comments about crowds and cheerleeders for College
Bowl: I would worry were Penn playing if the audience would throw red
and blue streamers at the first Penn tossup, like they did for basketball
games at the Palestra (read basket for tossup) until the NCAA cracked
down. :)
Gary
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Gilbert and Sullivan quote of the day:
Lady Blanche: Attention, ladies, while I read to you
The Princess Ida's list of punishments
The first is Sacharissa. She's expelled!
All: Expelled!
Lady Blanche: Expelled, because although she knew
No man of any kind may pass our walls
She dared to bring a set of chessmen here!
Sacharissa (crying) I meant no harm, they're only men of wood!
Lady Blanche: They're men with whom you give each other mate
And that's enough!
(Princess Ida, Act II)
gree...@news.delphi.com
>What I want to know is if these cheerleaders ever associated with the
>players, or did they keep to themselves. Were they a distraction? Gary, did
>you meet one of them?
John,
I wasn't even playing on the varsity at the time, so alas I did not have
the pleasure
>John
>thinking of a cheer for his team, but can't come up with anything that
>rhymes with Chicago, except maybe Mikado.
Gary
Gilbert and Sullivan quote of the day:
Ko-Ko: Here comes the Mikado, no doubt to ascertain whether I've obeyed
his decree, and if he finds you alive, I shall have the greatest
difficulty in persuading him that I've beheaded you.
(The Mikado, Act II)
Joseph K Wright
>
>O.K., I like this "cheer" thred idea:
>The GWU Cheer--
Not to be outdone by another region 4 team, and with apologies to the
old MIT football cheer (it's not plagiarism, it's "sampling"), I bring
you the Pitt Cheer:
Secant, tangent, cosine, sine
three-point-one-four-one-five-nine
Megabyte, kilobyte, single byte, bit
P-I-T-T, let's go Pitt!
In accordance with University policy, though, I've got to find a place to
slip in "Penn State Sucks!" If you don't know what I'm talking about, send
email for details.
Or perhaps we could just scare people with the Pitt alma mater, Pittsburgh,
Pittsburgh, uber alles. (Not the actual name, but with that eerie Deutsch
music.)
Sadly, I'd make a pretty weird looking cheerleader. 8-(
--
Joe Wright University of Pittsburgh Poli Sci/History/Philosophy?
esteemed (well, normally just steamed) koppy edditer uv The Pitt Nuus
"In the year 2000, Jack-in-the-boxes will be replaced by Joe-in-your-faces"
-Andy Richter; I'm Mister Wright, I hear you've been looking for me.
Joseph K Wright
>
>BTW, I'm working on a QOTC cheer. However, the only thing that rhymes with
>QOTC is Yahtzee, and I don't think that is terribly relevant.
>
>-PWF
How about a QOTC limerick? (With apologies to almost everyone)
A Greek, and a geek and a ROTC (rot'-see)
Were sitting 'round playing Yahtzee
The frat guy and soldier
Went skiing in Boulder
And the Geek went to Swarthmore for QOTC (kwot'-see)
OK maybe it needs work, but I think it's worth the cheerleader discount at
least.
DFRYE
groupie/scorekeeper extraordinaire/waiting for her ride to get done with quiz
team practice. Technically she was a member of the team and got a letter at the
Spring sports banquet with the rest of the team (yes we were a sport, funded by
the athletic dept, and engaged in interscholstic conference competition) but
she only answered one (1) question all year long, in practice when she got
<Sperm> off of 4 words. No one ever let Rebecca forget that, and I dont think
she enjoyed being Lakota H.S. resident sperm expert,but then again, she could
have found a different ride home.
Darrell Frye, Beloved _________________
DFRYE
<...Two other goodies:
Ice cold beer makes you want to cheer,
Ice cold gin makes you want to win,
Ice cold duck makes you want to......score!
Rick 'em, rack 'em, rock 'em, ruck 'em,
Get that that ball and really.....fight!>
You forgot
Rah Rah Ree,
Kick em in the knee.
Rah Rah Rass,
Kick em in the.......other knee
Darrell Frye, Beloved ___________________
Jennie Rosenbaum
But really, there's nothing wrong with having that spunky little
not-really-a-player waiting for her friend. That's how I got involved in
Penn CB, although I spent less time keeping score than falling asleep on
the couch at practices. How I went from sleeping beauty to Penn Bowl
director, I'm not sure.
And although I'm not a sperm expert, I'm told I answered a thirty point
Shakespeare bonus in my sleep at practice once.
Jennie
P.S. No one's even come close on what my name means. How are we doing on
guessing your real first name, Ted?
(hint: if you look "Yitl" up in a Yiddish dictionary, you won't find it)
Doug O'Neal
> And although I'm not a sperm expert, I'm told I answered a thirty point
> Shakespeare bonus in my sleep at practice once.
> Jennie
At Williams there was a bonus question, one part of which was how
long is the average erect penis. It was answered by our lone female
player ...
Doug
> P.S. No one's even come close on what my name means. How are we doing on
> guessing your real first name, Ted?
> (hint: if you look "Yitl" up in a Yiddish dictionary, you won't find it)
Jerome.
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Sendhil Revuluri
> How I went from sleeping beauty to Penn Bowl
> director, I'm not sure.
I think that was an essential part of the process, actually... unless
one is crazy enough to suggest an idea oneself, the best way to become
the person in charge of implementing it is to either not go to
practices, be late, or fall asleep.
> And although I'm not a sperm expert,
We all have our shortcomings.
> I'm told I answered a thirty point
> Shakespeare bonus in my sleep at practice once.
Oooh, wow.
Sendhil "Mr. Bubbles" Revuluri
Eric Hillemann
>Darrell Frye, Beloved _________________
Darrell's posts always make me go "BUZZ. Morrison! (nee Wofford)" by
reflex.... :)
Thomas Schmidt
"stick" someone got against you?
Julie K. Stahlhut
Favorite "stick" of the regionals? That would have to have been
our own Ati Tislerics getting the "Akron" tossup -- in our game
against Akron!!!!!!
Kinda makes up for my getting screwed, blued, and tattooed by
interrupting an entomology question -- which turned out to be
a trick question -- at the Dr. Seuss last fall! :-)
--
Julie Kozaczka Stahlhut, WMU College Bowl x92st...@wmich.edu
"Philosophy is the bureaucracy of the humanities."
The Black Vegetable
>Ice cold gin makes you want to win,
>Ice cold duck makes you want to......score!
We use "fight" instead of "score" in the last line, which means you
can draw out the "f."
Aaron Mandel
: >Ice cold beer makes you want to cheer,
Um... as far as I know, "fight" has never been used as a synonym for "to
have sex"... makes the joke weaker, IMHO...
Aaron Mandel
ama...@husc.harvard.edu
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Tanya N Cota-Robles
: Themistocles, Thucydides, the Peloponnesian War
: X-squared, Y-squared, H2SO4,
: Who for? What for?
: Who are we gonna yell for- MAROONS!
Bless you, John....you're a saint!! That stupid cheer has been stuck
in my head for days!! Remind me to bow down to you in hero-worship some
time.....
: Mind you, I have never heard anyone using this cheer. I prefer what we did
: in high school before the biggest game of the year: a rousing sermon in
: Chapel (Episcopalian school), followed by a chorus of "Onward Christian
: Soldiers", and a pep rally with the best cheer of them all:
: Kill, kill, hate, hate, murder, murder, mutilate!
: When that was deemed too cruel and bloodthirsty, the administration asked
: for it to stop being used. The science faculty created a more PC cheer:
: Opress them, opress them, make them relinquish the ball!
*grin* Did anyone use the new cheer?
: John
: who is planning on inflitrating top teams during his spring break! :)
Tanya
le...@utdallas.edu
Who did that already over Christmas break (but wouldn't mind doing it again)!
Adam Levin
tourney and a miserable try-out. I decided I'd weasel my way in by offering
to scorekeep at practices (annoying the hell out of people by jumping up
and down when I knew an answer they didn't) and come as an onlooker or
official if needed. That year, the day before the first Terrier Tussle,
the Judges' basketball team beat Carnegie mellon (?) on a last second
40 footer to rally from 8 down with a minute to go. They gave out these
horrible little gavel before the game, and everyone was going nuts with
them making noise. If you've ever seen a thing called a Knowledge Hammer,
it was one of those. Anyway, since we won the game in amazing fashion, we
all assumed the gavel had magical properties. When I brought it to the
Tussle, before every game, I would bang the gavel on the table, say "Court
is in session!" and blow the whistle in the thing, then step back to
scoreboard. We did OK, and I scored 45 points in the one game they let me
play (3rd highest average there! :). We did it again at regionals, and of
course we came in second that year, losing to MIT in the finals. Needless
to say, I've lost the gavel, and we haven't been the same since. I'd also
like to add that I went from mascot to captian in the span of a year.
I'd also like to propose, and I think Matt will join me in this that we
make it mandatory to use the acronym HHOK in every post on this group.
Adam "Beaten to the buzzer on Catherine Ann Power :(" Levin
Joseph K Wright
>So what was your favorite "stick" of the regionals? What was the most amazing
>"stick" someone got against you?
Mine:
"Diplomacy is the art of saying 'Nice doggie' <BUZZ>
"Pittsburgh, Wright"
"Will Rogers."
The qoute in the question happens to be in my .plan file (along with about
900 other things).
Adam Levin
>So what was your favorite "stick" of the regionals? What was the most amazing
>"stick" someone got against you?
I may have mentioned my least favorite stick earlier. It was against BU.
Moderator: She won a 19?? Betty Crocker cooking contest...
BUZZ!
Moderator: Rebecca, BU.
Rebecca: Catherine Anne Power
Brandeis curses wildly under their collective breaths.
I could tell we were going down hill from there. Also, we were one question
away from a pet peeve of Peter's, or it was in a packet we didn't play
"This university's sports teams are nicknamed the Judges..." Does anyone
know how that question finishes, by the way? They wouldn't let us steal and
frame it :)
Adam "How in the world did we even get 12 votes?" Levin
Adam Levin
>"stick" someone got against you?
I had a least favorite one. I may have mentioned it before. It was
Against BU.
Moderator: She won a 19?? Betty Crocker cooking contest...
BUZZ!
Moderator: Rebecca, BU.
Rebecca: Catherine Anne Power
Brandeis curses wildly under their collective breaths.
I could tell we were going down hill from there. Also, we were one question
away from a pet peeve of Peter's. "This university's sports teams are nicknamed
the Judges..." Does anyone know how that question finishes, by the way? They
wouldn't let us steal it. HHOK.
Tanya N Cota-Robles
: amazing stick" someone got against you?
The best one I ever saw was actually a complete accident.
Moderator: "Thi-"
BUZZ (Accidental)
Player: (Guessing at random) Ummm....John Smith....and.....1912. *shrug*
Moderator: (Amazed) Correct.....
The question turned out to be about the sinking of the Titanic and judging
from the looks we got from the other team, they suspected dirty play. This
was also in high school, btw.
Tanya
le...@utdallas.edu
Official UT-Dallas College Bowl Netrunner
Matt Bruce
: The best one I ever saw was actually a complete accident.
: Moderator: "Thi-"
[etc...]
Three non-accidents from high school. One I saw, one I was, one I only
heard about.
"FTP, [if this were CB, "FAQTP"] how many men..."
"Tulsa-Memorial, Drew" [who somehow predicted that the question would
continue "have walked on the moon?"]
"12"
(Texaco Nat'ls @Rice university, 1990. Memorial stunned reigning champs
Dorman in the first round on such sticks)
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"George Washington and Thomas Jefferson..."
[however Jordan Katine was recognized]
"Jimmy Carter"
(referring to presidents who had been plantation owners or something)
-------
"California has 200 [or some similar number] cities with population over
100,000..."
[me]
"Sacremento and Fresno"
(Texaco, June 1992. Unfortunately, they realized that this question had
been recycled from the previous year by mistake, and they had to throw it
out.)
Happy SB,
Matt
--
Matt Bruce (mlb...@husc.harvard.edu); my opinions are uniquely mine.
Adam Fagen
>Three non-accidents from high school. One I saw, one I was, one I only
>heard about.
>"California has 200 [or some similar number] cities with population over
>100,000..."
>[me]
>"Sacremento and Fresno"
>(Texaco, June 1992. Unfortunately, they realized that this question had
>been recycled from the previous year by mistake, and they had to throw it
>out.)
Not quite as surprising since it was sort of multiple choice. But in
high school, all I heard was "in which quadrant." Buzzed in and said the
third, which luckily was right. I think it had something to do with the
sign of the csc and cos, or something like that. Never would have been
able to figure it out without a guess. Put us into the playoffs as #1
(but had I missed it we would have been #4 and played #1, so it would
have worked out the same--we got beat).
--
// Adam Fagen (afa...@husc.harvard.edu) | "Discovery consists of seeing
\\ Dept. of Cellular & Molecular Biology | what everybody has seen and
// Harvard University | thinking what nobody has
\\ Cambridge, MA 02138 | thought." --A. Szent-Gyorgyi
gree...@news.delphi.com
My favorite stick of all time was the National quarterfinals, NYU
against WestConn, in 1987 at Disney, Dick Cavett moderating:
Cavett: The American game of checkers is spelled c-h-e-c . . .
BUZZZ
Announcer: NYU, Greenbaum
Me: D-r-a-u-g-h-t-s
Cavett: That's--(pause) right. Unbelievable! (audience applause)
Before he read my mind, I was about to ask the British spelling for that game.
It wasn't that spectacular, but it was on TV, so that made it special.
Only problem was, we lost that game under grim,
keep-protesting-until-you-croak circumstances.
Gary Greenbaum
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Gilbert and Sullivan quote of the day:
BOATSWAIN: . . . you can't expect a chap with such a name as Dick Deadeye
to be a popular character--now, can you?
(H.M.S. PINAFORE Act I)
Jon A. Schmidt
: Three non-accidents from high school. One I saw, one I was, one I only
: heard about.
: "FTP, [if this were CB, "FAQTP"] how many men..."
: "Tulsa-Memorial, Drew" [who somehow predicted that the question would
: continue "have walked on the moon?"]
: "12"
: (Texaco Nat'ls @Rice university, 1990. Memorial stunned reigning champs
: Dorman in the first round on such sticks)
I can only assume that this was Drew Kane. He came to GWU as a freshman
the following fall and promptly led the team in scoring for two straight
years before transferring back to Tulsa (the university this time). We
haven't heard from him since. Does anyone in his region know if he
started a team?
My best "stick" this year was not at Regionals, but at Penn Bowl:
"McConnell Air Force Base, . . . "
<buzz> "Kansas!"
(I grew up in Kansas and made several trips to Wichita for various reasons.
Since we were coming from the Kansas City area, we always got off the
highway, I-35, at the exit for McConnell AFB.)
My esteemed colleague, Guy Jordan, had another good "stick" at Penn Bowl:
"20,000 of them are being sent to . . . "
<buzz> "Noses!"
(Ask Guy if you really want to know how he knew that!)
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| School of Engineering and Applied Science |/\_____/
| The George Washington University (Virginia Campus)
Michael Obstgarten
Okey-dokey, you want it, you got it, Doug.
First things first regarding your overly-broad
interpretation of the rules. Making a judgment based on
whether or not you think the person knew what he/she is
talking about is just plain silly. If a person does not
give the correct pronunciation of the underlined answer,
it is WRONG. You said it yourself with the "Rol-ee" vs.
"Rol-ah" comparison. Thank you for proving my point.
Secondly, perhaps you missed a key statement
regarding the Knickerbockers protest. The PSU player
who rang in said "Knickerbocker" which is an individual,
not a group which is what the question had asked for
to begin with. The question finished by asking for
the *FULL NAME* of New York's NBA team, which is not
"Knickerbocker" but "Knickerbockers" with an "s" at the
end, making the PSU player's response wrong on 2 counts.
Again, I applaud the Williams folks for making the correct
call on this matter.
To end this post on a non-flame note, I would
like to congratulate whichever Penn player(s) is/are
responsible for submitting the one Penn packet that
was played on at QOTC, as it was far and away the
best packet of the tournament.
Mike Obstgarten
Vice-Admiral, BU College Bowl
Captain & Ace Knuckleballer, Screaming Mimes (0-1)
Uber-goaltender, Son of Spam (Game 1 in 4.5 hours!)
"At puberty, the mammary glands go on to bigger and better things."
--Mike's BI 112 (Sex & Reproduction) professor
David Dixon
A couple "stick"s from this playing season:
A week before the Cardinal Classic, Munch's "The Scream" was stolen. Somehow
I just *knew* this would become a question at the tournament, so I told the
guys on my team (and the other Berkeley team) that if you hear any questions
that starts with "It took 50 seconds.." or "This painting was stolen..." etc.,
pounce on that puppy.
Sure enough, we were playing Stanford A in the round-robin.. "It took only
50 seconds to.." <BUZZ!> Another guy on my team got it a millisecond before I
did.
In the same tournament, the two Berkeley teams were battling it out. I was on
the B team. One of the guys on the A team is an astrophysics major.
"Tossup: John Taylor and Russel Hulce..." <BUZZ!> "Berkeley B, Dixon"
Me: (thinking, "oh shit!", because I have a nasty habit of buzzing in while the
answer is still forming in my head) "Binary pulsar."
Mod: "Correct.."
Arun (the astrophysics major) was most displeased.
We ended up winning that game, scoring 230 points in the second half to come
from behind to win (we were down by 90 at the half).
D^2
Jon A. Schmidt
: To end this post on a non-flame note, I would
: like to congratulate whichever Penn player(s) is/are
: responsible for submitting the one Penn packet that
: was played on at QOTC, as it was far and away the
: best packet of the tournament.
Penn _always_ submits good rounds, which one would expect because of their
excellent editing job at their own tournament and overall ACU-I style bias.
However, we at GWU particularly enjoyed the Boston U. Long questions at
QOTC, and _not_ just because they're the questions on which we beat
Chicago! ;-)
Doug O'Neal
> First things first regarding your overly-broad
> interpretation of the rules. Making a judgment based on
> whether or not you think the person knew what he/she is
> talking about is just plain silly. If a person does not
> give the correct pronunciation of the underlined answer,
> it is WRONG. You said it yourself with the "Rol-ee" vs.
> "Rol-ah" comparison. Thank you for proving my point.
Correct pronunciation? Being a native West Virginian, I'm a little
sensitive when people try to say authoritatively what the "correct"
pronunciation of a word is. For one thing, there are accents; for
another thing, there are situations where you're nervous and get your
tongue tied. I wrote a question to which the answer was "Loire",
pronounced "Lwar". Now, if a player who never studied French but was
good at geography answered by pronouncing it "Lore", I'd count it
right, despite the fact that it's not the "correct" pronounciation.
If you say "Bock" when you mean "Bach", nobody's going to count it
wrong. And Kiri te Kanawa, being Maori, does count as a foreign word.
In an actual situation, it's easy to tell whether a player has given
the right answer, but with a bad pronunciation. The Raleigh/Rolla
thing is a different situation, where the change in the last vowel
sound changes the answer so that it refers to a different city. But
in other situations, it's obvious whether the player knows what s/he
is talking about, and a mispronunciation does not change the answer so
that it means something different.
> Secondly, perhaps you missed a key statement
> regarding the Knickerbockers protest. The PSU player
> who rang in said "Knickerbocker" which is an individual,
> not a group which is what the question had asked for
> to begin with. The question finished by asking for
> the *FULL NAME* of New York's NBA team, which is not
> "Knickerbocker" but "Knickerbockers" with an "s" at the
> end, making the PSU player's response wrong on 2 counts.
> Again, I applaud the Williams folks for making the correct
> call on this matter.
And again, I say that was nitpicky. By "full name" of the NBA
team, the question writer almost certainly meant "don't say the
'Knicks'".
"Shoemaker-Levy, IRAS-Araki-Alcock, West, Encke, and Halley are, FTP,
what type of astronomical objects?"
BZZT "Comet!"
"No, I'm sorry, that's wrong. They're comets, with an s."
> Mike Obstgarten
Doug
Tanya N Cota-Robles
: My esteemed colleague, Guy Jordan, had another good "stick" at Penn Bowl:
: "20,000 of them are being sent to . . . "
: <buzz> "Noses!"
: (Ask Guy if you really want to know how he knew that!)
Apparently a lot of people did that (including someone on my team), baffling
teammates each time. The question had something to do with noses that were
exhumed from the bodies of soldiers and sent back to their homeland or
something really weird like that. It was in Newsweek, I believe, which was
how those particular people knew it. Still impressive, still amusing, but
not isolated.
The Black Vegetable
>> regarding the Knickerbockers protest. The PSU player
>> who rang in said "Knickerbocker" which is an individual,
>> not a group which is what the question had asked for
>> to begin with. The question finished by asking for
>> the *FULL NAME* of New York's NBA team, which is not
>> "Knickerbocker" but "Knickerbockers" with an "s" at the
>> end, making the PSU player's response wrong on 2 counts.
>> Again, I applaud the Williams folks for making the correct
>> call on this matter.
>
You're STILL bitter about this? Jesus Christ! Thank you, Mike, for
(again) explaining the reasoning behind my ruling. Yes, it was clear
from the start that a plural word was needed. True, that's
nitpicky--until the final clue is read. If you buzz in early, you
take a chance that you'll answer something the question isn't asking.
I'm often lenient about that sort of thing, but not when the question
is so clear. If you really care, I can post the original question.
Doug O'Neal
> You're STILL bitter about this? Jesus Christ! Thank you, Mike, for
No, I'm NOT bitter! Goddess! I never was. But I still disagree
with the principle behind the ruling, and I'll continue to do so.
But it happened several months ago, and it's over, so everybody
should forget it. Those lame team nicknames, on the other hand ...
> (again) explaining the reasoning behind my ruling. Yes, it was clear
> from the start that a plural word was needed. True, that's
> nitpicky--until the final clue is read. If you buzz in early, you
> take a chance that you'll answer something the question isn't asking.
That IS something I had a problem with at your tournament ... if
the question begins "Dykstra, Kruk ..." and you buzz in and say
"Players on the Philadelphia Phillies!" and the question goes on
to ask, "These are all players on what MLB team?", you should NOT
be counted wrong just because you repeated the word "players".
> I'm often lenient about that sort of thing, but not when the question
> is so clear. If you really care, I can post the original question.
Don't bother. Let's forget about it, and move on.
Doug
Doug O'Neal
> That IS something I had a problem with at your tournament ... if
> the question begins "Dykstra, Kruk ..." and you buzz in and say
> "Players on the Philadelphia Phillies!" and the question goes on
> to ask, "These are all players on what MLB team?", you should NOT
> be counted wrong just because you repeated the word "players".
Note to people who weren't there: this did NOT happen at the tournament.
It's just reminiscent of a hypothetical example I gave at the time.
Just thought I should make that clear.
Doug
Mark Coen
agree more with Leila from UT-Dallas (sorry if I goofed up your name!) that
I've learned more from playing for a few years and remembering some of the
more repeated answers. When I first started playing I was pretty much
clueless on art and classical music, but I now feel a bit more confident
about answering on those topics (art more so than classical music). I also
tend to agree with Guy that all of this "My quiz format can beat up your
quiz format" is sensless. Play what you like, avoid what you don't, and
respect what folks choose.
Note to Guy: It's going to be awful hard to fulfill your course
requirements now that Spy is out of business. I would suggest replacement
subscriptions to both Esquire and Mad.
Note to Ted: Yes, both Jim and Chip were at MIT at the same time,
although I don't know in what capacities. I had the good (?) fortune of
playing the both of them together at an invitational. That reminds me:
still looking for other people who got to play against those two together.
My vote for the summer tournament is early August in Philly.
I'll be done with the bar exam by then :)
--
Mark Coen
Boston University
Remember: Big feet mean... big socks
Best Opening Day Sign: Sox fans already booing Mike Greenwell!
Tanya N Cota-Robles
: Leila from UT-Dallas (sorry if I goofed up your name!)
Sorry, but I just *had* to set you straight on this one.
The name is Tanya (hey, you did at least get the last letter right) and
the e-mail ID is Leia of "I'd sooner kiss a Wookie" fame. Ah, well, I'll
just chunk Leila in with Lynea, Lydia, and Quiche Lorraine.....;)
Tanya
"Princess" le...@utdallas.edu
Official UT-Dallas College Bowl Netrunner
(in no way related to Tonya Harding even if 'The name's the same')
Joseph K Wright
First Annual Iron City Inquisition, tentatively scheduled for November 5,
1994.
I'll bet you weren't expecting an Iron City Inquisition. Our chief weapon
is surprise. Surprise and fear. And an almost fanatical devotion to college
bowl.
The tournament will most likely be 7 or 8 minute halves, played with questions
that will be as close to CBI questions as we, and you, can muster. We will
be considering various rule experiments for the tournament, and quite probably
trying one or two. Thus, if you have a unique rule suggestion that you have
never seen implemented but would like to, send it along and we will give it
due consideration.
The cost of the tournament has yet to be determined, but it will be similar
to other touney costs, with all the usual discounts. These and other details
have not yet been worked out. Also, we are seriously considering both discounts
and a waiver of the question-writing rule for any school for which the
Inquisition is a first-time invitational.
You can try to Email for details, but we don't seem to have many of those yet.
I would like to get a show of hands of sorts from teams that may be interested.
If you've never been to Pittsburgh, don't believe the press. It's actually a
very nice city, and I would encourage everyone to come see it (preferably on
November 5, 1994) 8-).
That's all for now. A more detailed announcement should be forthcoming by the
end of April.
upg...@msuvx1.memphis.edu
> The University of Pittsburgh's college bowl team is proud to announce the
> First Annual Iron City Inquisition, tentatively scheduled for November 5,
> 1994.
>
> I'll bet you weren't expecting an Iron City Inquisition. Our chief weapon
> is surprise. Surprise and fear. And an almost fanatical devotion to college
> bowl.
>
> The tournament will most likely be 7 or 8 minute halves, played with questions
> that will be as close to CBI questions as we, and you, can muster. We will
> be considering various rule experiments for the tournament, and quite probably
> trying one or two. Thus, if you have a unique rule suggestion that you have
> never seen implemented but would like to, send it along and we will give it
> due consideration.
>
I still have a soft spot in my heart for the "physical challenge" bonus we send
to Vandy's Trash Bash this past year (especially appropriate considering the
ardent ACF'ers tend to put CBI closer to Double Dare anyway :)
Seriously, one of my campus colleagues is bucking for a 1-minute all TU
"lightning round" for our HS tourney...it might work well with a timed tourney.
Has anyone tried this before--maybe for the last minute of a round. Hmmmm...
Just a thought,
Phil Groce
UM CB Honcho
Tanya N Cota-Robles
: and having our alternate distracted by the captain of UT-Dallas.
^^^^^^^
Hmmm...dunno if he finds Chris Kane distracting or not, really...
: He will play against you, and he WILL fight through the distractions (I hope).
I do too. Otherwise, there'd really be no fun to it....
Tanya
le...@utdallas.edu
Official UT-Dallas College Bowl Netrunner, Possible Co-President, but
Not Captain
DFRYE
writes:
I still have a soft spot in my heart for the "physical challenge" bonus we send
to Vandy's Trash Bash this past year (especially appropriate considering the
ardent ACF'ers tend to put CBI closer to Double Dare anyway :)
One of my 3 favorite questions of the tournament. The other 2 were the candy
bar bonus and the tossup with the word fuck in it 3 times.
Seriously, one of my campus colleagues is bucking for a 1-minute all TU
"lightning round" for our HS tourney...it might work well with a timed tourney.
Has anyone tried this before--maybe for the last minute of a round. Hmmmm...
Interesting concept. I was trying to come up with some different type of format
for any tournament I m ight run this summer. This might be a good idea. i was
also considering a modified version of the "College Knowledge" rules. Tell me
what you think
Darrell Frye
Tanya N Cota-Robles
: Seriously, one of my campus colleagues is bucking for a 1-minute all TU
: "lightning round" for our HS tourney...it might work well with a timed
: tourney. Has anyone tried this before--maybe for the last minute of a round.
: Hmmmm...Interesting concept. I was trying to come up with some different
: type of format for any tournament I m ight run this summer. This might be a
: good idea. i was also considering a modified version of the "College
: Knowledge" rules. Tell me what you think
I know I mentioned it once before, but in my HS's format, we had a third (of
four) round which was ten questions on one theme and sixty seconds to answer
them in. We sorta liked it. :)