WARNING: Noodler's Inks
~shit-magnet~
have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of pigment
in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two Noodler's
inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to
replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
warning.
Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery Pelican
inks so perhaps there is a reason.
-T
Chuck Swisher
Hello Shit-magnet,
Just curious, what exactly was it that Noodler's supposedly did to this
Pelikan? I would love to see proof that Noodler's ink caused any damage to
this pen. I've been using Noodler's inks in my Pelikans (both vintage and
modern) since it first hit the market and I've had no problems whatsoever
with ink flow in any of my Pelikans nor has it caused any damage to any of
these pens. I do agree that it doesn't flow the greatest in pens that have
very fine feed channels but this can be adjusted by adding a little
distilled water to the ink.
Chuck Swisher
~shit-magnet~
"Chuck Swisher" <park...@cox.net> wrote in message
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As for the Waterman and Romet, both pens would not flow after sitting
nine days. What kind of "proof" do you want? The ink is concentrated
and leaves a beautiful mark but I will not use it is any pen that
doesn't have a generous flow (namely fine or medium nibs.) You are
suggesting that I dilute it. I will draw 5 ml of ink and add 10 drops
of dist h2o. I like the midnight blue with the finer medium nib and am
willing to try it again. I have a 3 oz bottle and wouldn't want it to
go to waste. Besides, after a little effort, both pens did seem to
unclog w/o perm damage. I must still emphasize that it is a good idea
to remove the ink from such pens if they aren't going to be used for a
while. Another collector/dealer advised me that the ink ruined his pen
to a point where after he unclogged it, it still never worked right
and subsequently he had to replace the nib. If that happened to me,
I'd ask the ink mfg to pay for a new nib. If they refused, I'd
penalize them by some other gradifying method. I'll post in a few
weeks and advise if the dilution helps.
mge
only ditto Mr. Swisher here on Noodler's and BTW, it would be easier for me
to list the Noodler's colors and inks that I don't have vs. the ones that I
do, much easier.
"~shit-magnet~" <shit_...@glorycrud.com> wrote in message
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Tetractys
> ... someone complained to me that Noodler's
> totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to replacement. ...
Friend of a friend? Humbug, I say. I have used
a Swisher-bought Pelikan 600 with a fine nib loaded
with Noodler's black quite carelessly with no ill
effect whatever. I leave it in the pen for weeks at
a time, pick it up and write with it without so much
as a fraction of a millimeter skippage. No clogging,
no ruination, no tilting of the Earth on its axis.
Perhaps your FOAF's Pelly was ruinated by
injudicious loanage?
Gordon Mattingly
handwriting and so their resulting experience will vary.
This is simply a response for the consideration of other readers.
I keep a dozen pens charged at any given time: Pelikans, Kawecos (one
vintage), Parker 51's, a Lamy, Namiki and Sheaffer, most with fine or extra
fine nibs and all but one are filled with various formulations of Noodler's
ink. My most frequently utilized pen is a Pelikan M400 in EF loaded with
Noodler's Air Corps blue-black. I have never experienced any mechanical
problems or damage that I would attribute to the ink. I am not a chemist,
nor an engineer, but I fail to see, short of a corrosive effect on the pen
itself, how any water soluble ink can "ruin" a pen.
Gordon Mattingly
Terry McGinty
Methinks your name has everything to do with your problems, and nothing to
so with pens and ink.
I've used Noodler's inks in my fine nibbed pens for some time with nary a
problem.
luck-magnet
<shit_...@glorycrud.com> wrote in message
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Chuck Swisher
> I haven't used it in my Pelican and I won't. It works fine in my MB.
> As for the Waterman and Romet, both pens would not flow after sitting
> nine days. What kind of "proof" do you want? The ink is concentrated
> and leaves a beautiful mark but I will not use it is any pen that
> doesn't have a generous flow (namely fine or medium nibs.) You are
> suggesting that I dilute it. I will draw 5 ml of ink and add 10 drops
> of dist h2o. I like the midnight blue with the finer medium nib and am
> willing to try it again. I have a 3 oz bottle and wouldn't want it to
> go to waste. Besides, after a little effort, both pens did seem to
> unclog w/o perm damage. I must still emphasize that it is a good idea
> to remove the ink from such pens if they aren't going to be used for a
> while. Another collector/dealer advised me that the ink ruined his pen
> to a point where after he unclogged it, it still never worked right
> and subsequently he had to replace the nib. If that happened to me,
> I'd ask the ink mfg to pay for a new nib. If they refused, I'd
> penalize them by some other gradifying method. I'll post in a few
> weeks and advise if the dilution helps.
>
Tell you what, ask your friend to send that damaged nib to one of the folks
listed on our Vintage Pen Repair page to have it repaired. If they will
contact me and confirm that the nib was in fact damaged beyond repair from
the use of any Noodler's ink, I will buy your friend a replacement nib for
that Pelikan. The only way Noodler's ink could have clogged up a nib and
feed to the point where it was impossible to clean is if it were mixed with
another ink. Noodler's inks are made from the same materials as the other
water based fountain pen inks are made, there is no shellac or anything else
in this ink that would gum up a feed to where it couldn't be cleaned with a
little water or water mixed with ammonia if allowed to dry out completely in
a pen. Here is the link to our Vintage Pen Repair page:
http://www.swisherpens.com/repairs.html
Let me know if this person is willing to take me up on this offer. He could
also send the pen directly to Mr. Tardif (who just happens to know a little
about repairs himself) to have that nib looked at. Let me know and I'll
give you his address.
Best regards,
Chuck Swisher - ch...@swisherpens.com
Swisher Pens, Inc. - www.swisherpens.com
Tele: (757) 539-2209, TF: 1-888-340-7367, Fax: (757) 925-2787
JP
"~shit-magnet~" <shit_...@glorycrud.com> wrote in message
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My preference is vintage fine point. Since the mad inkmeister concocted
the Noodler blend I've used it exclusively. My Auroras, Quinks, Skrips,
Watermans,
Pelicans, even my vintage Parkers, (I'm talking black inks) sit unused.
While the nib may dry out a after a few weeks it starts writing with a bit
of pressure.
Never had a clog. I've used it in my Mottishaw enhanced Pelican-no
problems.
My favorite pen, a 100 year plus waterman eyedropper #12, likewise.
Funny to find an anonymous warning about Noodlers in this group after all
this time
and after all the input a.c.p-p the group provided Nathan during its
development.
Admittedly I'm a cynical and suspicious New Yorker but I smell an agenda.
JP
John B. Egger
a screen name could wind up on a civilized list like one dealing with
fountain pens. As a college teacher I hear a lot of that kind of
language, and even see it printed on students' T-shirts... but I've
never associated it with fountain-pen users! Something weird is going on
here.
Like others, I've used Noodlers inks extensively and left it in pens
that sat unused for weeks. No clogging problems.
--
--John
Registered Linux User #291592
Delete "no spam"'s from address to reply
phk
[snip] >ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
>complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to
>replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
may be i'm lucky.
i have been using Noodler in 3 Pelikans without problem. but they're all
median nibs.
i do agree that they're highly pigmented. & it make changing ink colors quite
tedious. (have to more times than other inks)
regards,
==========
Pam @ Home
Cort Furniture Rental and Honesty are two mutually exclusive concepts.
phk
>tedious. (have to more times than other inks)
>
sorry i meant, have to flush more times than other inks.
in fact sometimes Noodler is almost too wet for Pelikans on some paper.
bye now,
Borked Pseudo Mailed
This Warning is nothing but fear mongering.
Noodlers Ink is the the best ink I've used in a
fountain pen. Period!
I left a pelikan m400 for well over a week unused.
Started writing again without hesitation, no fuss,
no muss. (And it was the fine nib too!)
I've had similar happy experiences with many other fine
nibbed fountain pens and noodlers ink!
So fill and enjoy; don't be afraid to use Noodlers Ink.
~shit-magnet~
without activity and never dried out. Rather than facing the time
consuming ritual of purging the ink in anticipation of an extended
holiday, I just won't use Noodles ink in my medium nibbed pens. A good
suggestion - be vigil of Noodler+medium/fine point+time-period
scenario. Mikey, you're a lucky guy having the correct combination of
pen and time schedule. I love the ink otherwise; I'll continue to use
the unadulterated product in my MB. I don't think concrete could clogg
that device!
"mge" <mike...@att.net> wrote in message
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~shit-magnet~
"Tetractys" <tetract...@dogs-concast.nut> wrote in message
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let a bank officer use my MB briefly. She held it upside-down and made
a feathery scratch that squirted ink across the doc. It was actually
funny. Fortunately the pen wasn't harmed. The majority of people
haven't ever seen a FP let alone knowing how to use one.
~shit-magnet~
"Gordon Mattingly" <gor...@virtualgordon.com> wrote in message
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ruin any pen either. I'd like to keep it that way.
~shit-magnet~
"Terry McGinty" <tmcg...@excessameritech.net> wrote in message
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> "~shit-magnet~"
>
> Methinks your name has everything to do with your problems, and
nothing to
> so with pens and ink.
> I've used Noodler's inks in my fine nibbed pens for some time with
nary a
> problem.
>
> luck-magnet
>
his settings. "Shit-magnet" or any name that appears is no more
relevant than any other. I appreciate your positive overture!
~shit-magnet~
"John B. Egger" <johnspam...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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I explained the "handle" in a previous post, as if I really needed to
explain. You're welcome to use it as a diversion from the real issue
if you like. It isn't relevant.
~shit-magnet~
your generous offer and I need not act as agent. BTW, I want to tell
you that your permanent cobalt-blue ink is one of the most beautiful
colors I have ever seen and it is impervious to any reasonable assult
I can apply, including an overnight soak in water. It drys and does
not appear it has even been wet. Bravo! Still I'll never use it in
any medium or fine-nibbed instrument (the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but.)
~shit-magnet~
"JP" <vze2...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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I'm as suspicious as you are about what I read. In the aggregate of it
all, how can one not be?
~shit-magnet~
"phk" <dr_g...@hotmail.com.SPAMMER.SUCK> wrote in message
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I love the heavy pigment. I use a sonic gyrate to clean my pens, a
device designed for the jewelry industry. It does take several water
changes.
~shit-magnet~
"phk" <dr_g...@hotmail.com.SPAMMER.SUCK> wrote in message
My Pelican broad is not quite as wet as my MB broad. Maybe the Pelly
should be returned for a slight tweak. For signatures, I like a very
wet stroke. The MB loves Noodlers and there it shall remain. I do
purge my pens every month or so. Recently I used my MB after being
idle for 2 weeks+ and the flow was instantaneous without any pressure.
~shit-magnet~
"Borked Pseudo Mailed" <nob...@pseudo.borked.net> wrote in message
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don't see why anyone should fear anything. I have identified a
potential problem and others have generously pointed out solutions. I
don't see an "out-of-control" situation here so why should there be
any fear?
bill7tx
Absolutely safe to ignore completely.
Harry F. Leopold
(in article <ufCdnXO3cNqbuOfZ...@speakeasy.net>):
> In article <ufCdnXC3cNo-vufZ...@speakeasy.net>,
> dr_g...@hotmail.com.SPAMMER.SUCK (phk) wrote:
>> tedious. (have to more times than other inks)
>>
>
> sorry i meant, have to flush more times than other inks.
> in fact sometimes Noodler is almost too wet for Pelikans on some paper.
I have two fine point Waterman Commandos which have been loaded with
Noodler's ink for about a month now, one tends to flow just a bit dry, the
other is really wet so I have to be careful to not smear the writing (but it
looks so darned good!) Both pens have semi-flex fine nibs and are just about
perfect with this particular ink, the Noodler's blue.
I also use the Noodler's Hunter's Green in a fine-nibbed Sheaffer's Cadet
that I use at work, I am a printer so I don't take my great pens to work, too
likely to get damaged, the Cadet makes a near perfect work pen. With the
Hunter's Green I also don't have to worry about getting the various liquids
we use on my work sheets and smearing.
And I just filled Diane's Waterman 100 Year Red Transparent Ladies pen with
Noodler's Blue. This is another fine nib, and probably the most nearly
perfect nib I have ever used on any pen. Semi-flex, and absolutely the
smoothest nib I have ever written with when used with Waterman black ink.
With the Noodler's it is even better, as if it weren't even there, no drag,
just a smooth flow of words.
It is too bad that the only time I ever get to use that particular pen is to
clean and fill it. ;-) But soon I should have my full-sized 100 Year Red
Transparent back in my hot hands in another couple of weeks. And the Big Red
1926 Parker, both with fine points, the Waterman's nib is nearly as good as
Diane's, it should really work with the Noodler's. I think it may be time to
order some more ink, in more colors. Noodler's of course.
Now if only they made that shade of Blue in the Bullet-Proof...
--
Harry F. Leopold
aa #2076
AA/Vet #4
The Prints of Darkness
(remove gene to email)
"The line separating painfully bad analogies from weirdly good ones is as
thin as a soup made from the shadow of a chicken that was starved to death."
- Alydar2
Tetractys
> Tetractys wrote:
>> ~shit-magnet~ wrote:
*You had the Pelly about a month? Get your story
straight, Mr. Magnet. You said "someone complained
to me that Noodler's ink ruined his Pelikan." Whatever
credibility you may have had is evaporating.
Tetractys
> Temporarily I am using someone else's account
> and have not disturbed his settings.
OK, that does it for me. In the crapper with you.
<<<SPLOOSH>>>
~shit-magnet~
"Tetractys" <tetract...@dogs-concast.nut> wrote in message
so negatively narrow-minded. If you're "in bed" in some way with the
product, there is nothing I can say that will open your mind. You'll
just look for cause to contradict. Good-bye!
~shit-magnet~
"Tetractys" <tetract...@dogs-concast.nut> wrote in message
Robert Wiersema
> These inks may not be the best for medium and/or fine nibbed pens. I
> have experienced drying and clogging of both a Waterman and Romet
> medium, both newer pens. Because the higher concentration of pigment
> in Noodlers, the stroke-line looks better when used with fine and
> medium nibs but be prepared for problems. Using the same two Noodler's
> inks in a broad-nib MB seems to be no problem with it's generous
> ink-flow but I hesitate to load it into a Pelican since someone
> complained to me that Noodler's totally ruined his Pelikan and lead to
> replacement. He didn't say what nib he was using but I heeded his
> warning.
>
> Noodler's inks are so striking in appearance so it is very
> disappointing. It is certainly an opposite to the more watery Pelican
> inks so perhaps there is a reason.
>
> -T
I use Noodler's exclusively in my half-dozen or so Pelikans. I keep
them all loaded, all the time. I will sometimes go weeks without using
one or another. I've not had ANY problems with the pens or the ink.
They all start immediately, flow well and write like a dream.
~shit-magnet~
places to be. The person that advised me of Noodler ink ruining his
Pelly, his name is Travis and he is associated with "Pens-More." This
group doesn't deserve any further info on my part, whether it be
helpful or useful. I regret being placed in a corner and having to
reveal the sources of my info. I was not asked to treat the info
confidentially so I'm not doing anything wrong in revealing the info.
I just think it is good courtesy not to "drop names."
IMOPO, most of you people are "tight-assed" loyalists displaying not
even a hint of open-mindedness. Shame on you.
"bill7tx" <WmBr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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~shit-magnet~
All pens have individual personalities as well as their inks. I
appreciate you sharing your positive info as opposed to attacking my
credibility. I had an experience that I genuinely thought might be
helpful to others. Initially I didn't wish a clogged-pen experience on
anyone. From most of the response I've received, I no longer care what
happens to a number of people that hang out here. I don't expect to
ever acquire another pen so following this group further is no longer
needed. Best wishes to you!
"Harry F. Leopold" <hleo...@coxyx.net> wrote in message
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~shit-magnet~
"Robert Wiersema" <robertw...@SHIThotANDROCKINmail.com> wrote in
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I'm happy for you Robert. I simply have 2 particular pens that aren't
compatible with the ink. I'd like to explore why this to be the case
but I doubt if there is anyone here willing to help me explore the
issue. It seems it is easier to discount what I say in total
self-denial rather than be helpful. In any event, I appreciate your
response.
phk
>I find this NG to be hostile and overly self-defensive and have better
>
i also find a lot people on Usenet are "casually rude"
regards,
Calvin Romanoff
I very seldom have anything to say in public newsgroups but I
find participation as a lurker very helpful. Please allow me to
express my opinion that is neutral and hopefully openminded, based
soley on observation.
First of all, you stamp yourself (or allow yourself to be) with
a username that at the very least is impolite. At worst, it casts a
negative "first impression" suggesting that you may be looking for
trouble. You explained the reason but I ponder why you couldn't have
taken a moment to temporarily modify it to a more innocuous version.
Secondly, I assume you are a virtual stranger in this group. In
other words, people don't know who you are or what your motives may
be. There is a lot of "trolling" that occurs everywhere. This is cause
to be naturally suspicious of anything that may seem irregular.
It is my nature to give people a benefit of doubt until they
have demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that they are not
presenting themselves in good faith. You impressed me as a person that
seemed alarmed by an experience and that you attempted to communicate
in good faith. I wasn't suspicious because in my 48 years of
experience with fountain pens, I know that under many circumstances,
any pen can be incompatible to all degrees with any ink. One simple
test with ink is observing if an ink beads up on a nib or remains
uniformly coated. If you find the situation to be the latter, it is a
good indication that the ink may be too viscous for some pens. You can
not judge a pen by it's maker since all pens have variations.
I believe there was no cause for your credibility or motivation
to be openly questioned or attacked but I can see where others were
unnecessarily being rude and preferring to bicker rather than offer
help. There again, you have to understand that there are small
enclaves of people that too quickly defend others. Although some of it
I believe is through a genuine innocent act of loyalty, the
"gun-jumpers" may be "bandwagoning" in the hope of "getting a better
deal" somewhere down the pike. Collecting pens can be a passion, and
an expensive one at that, so although as disingenuous as some may be,
and biting as they may have been to you, it could offer an advantage
when landing that "must have" pen or purchasing a bottle of ink. Also
there are certain personality types, sort of the "high-strung old
biting queen" kind that have to pick at everything. No offense
intended, I'm also an old queen, but the more mellow gentle sort.
Please don't leave the group thinking everyone are assholes (please
excuse the expression.) There are a lot of good people here as well as
most other ngs. I wouldn't take anything personally.
I applaud you for not "taking the bait" and participating in
another war thread. Except for the user name, you came out the bigger
one. If you continue to experience problems with some of your pens, if
you email me, I'd be happy to walk you through a simple five step
diagnostic procedure to determine what may be ailing the two of your
pens. It is usually better but perhaps not easier to modify the pen
rather than fool around with the inks.
-Calvin
"~shit-magnet~" <shit_...@glorycrud.com> wrote in message
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Semolina Pilchard
<snip>
Excellent post, Calvin. Good to see the voice of reason and common sense
prevailing at last.
--
Sem
~generic~
"Semolina Pilchard" <semo...@ecosse.net> wrote in message
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I agree with you Sem. Calvin, you certainly hit the head of the nail
and managed to not leave a stone unturned. I have thought exactly the
same about some of the regs in here but just didn't know how to bring
it to words.
generic
~generic~
"~generic~" <gen...@polytech.net> wrote in message
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these biddies hold grudges if you disagree with them. I do business
where my comment would seriously negatively impact some of the
business I do in the industry.
Semolina Pilchard
> I had to change my name temporarily (gosh it was easy) because some of
> these biddies hold grudges if you disagree with them. I do business
> where my comment would seriously negatively impact some of the
> business I do in the industry.
It's the advocacy mindset that's the problem. I've seen it before. The
linux groups used to be helpful and informative until the narrow-minded,
tub-thumping advocates took over. a.c.p-p is well on the way to becoming
the Noodler's advocacy group, at which point sensible discussion ends.
It's ink, not a sacred cow.
--
Sem
Chuck Swisher
> It's the advocacy mindset that's the problem. I've seen it before. The
> linux groups used to be helpful and informative until the narrow-minded,
> tub-thumping advocates took over. a.c.p-p is well on the way to becoming
> the Noodler's advocacy group, at which point sensible discussion ends.
>
> It's ink, not a sacred cow.
Yes, it's just ink, but it's also a major part of one man's livelihood and
to say things like it damaged a nib beyond repair without providing any
proof, is nothing more than hearsay. My problem wasn't with him commenting
about the ink flow, it was the reporting of information about a damaged nib
that he/she hadn't actually seen. He/she indicated that he/she was "told"
by an individual that Noodler's ink ruined a nib and that this person had to
replace this nib so I offered to have this nib repaired at my expense if
he/she would just have it sent to one of the repairpersons listed on our web
site. I gave him a suggestion on how to fix the problem with the poor flow
problem in these two pens. I don't see where there was any "tub-thumping"
going on in my post. I really resent the fact that folks feel they can post
anything on this group and not expect anything to go unchallenged. It
appears to me that based on the number of responses about how this ink has
performed in so many other types of pens (especially Pelikans) that there
may in fact be something wrong with these two pens and not the ink. Again,
if adding a little distilled water to this ink doesn't correct the problem
then the ink flow would probably need to be adjusted to allow the use of
these heavier dye concentrated inks. If the ink works okay in the
Montblanc, then that should have told him/her that there was nothing wrong
with this ink. I still would like to hear from a professional (or very
experienced) pen repairperson on this claim that Noodler's ink has somehow
damaged a Pelikan nib beyond repair. So no, this ink isn't a sacred cow,
but it does put food on the table and clothes on the back of a very good
friend of mine. If it were me, I would ask to see proof of this damage
before spouting slanderous accusations on a newsgroup for the world to read.
I wasn't attacking anyone, just asking for proof that Noodler's ink did in
fact damage a Pelikan nib beyond repair. Give me this proof and you can say
anything you like about this ink, until then I will continue to challenge
anyone that makes these claims on a public forum without proof to back-up
these claims. The offer still stands, if this individual will send this nib
to one of the folks listed on our Vintage Pen Repair page and have them
confirm that this Pelikan nib was in fact damaged beyond repair then I will
buy this individual a replacement nib.
Best wishes,
~shit-magnet~
I did a search of Noodler's in backlog for 1 year. You're right. There
were previous posts that were basically complaints about Noods ranging
from clogging pens to one of it's new ink being outragious in cost.
These people got the same reception - like 8 or 10 pit-bulls suddenly
appearing out of nowhere attacking the complaintants. Perhaps there is
a "conspiracy" where the Noodle gang is converting the group for free
commercial promotion. (lol) I certainly don't see such aggressive
response from other products that are openly criticized.
I can understand why there might be misgivings toward myself as an
unknown. But the guy that had the bad example of Noodles ruining his
Pelly I believe to be an expert regarding fountain pens. Unless he is
in direct competition with Noodles with his own line of ink products,
that I doubt, I would have had no reason to question his veracity. He
seemed like a very knowledgable reasonable guy.
Before anyone considers loading a precious pen with Noodles, perhaps
they should email him and ask why he doesn't like Noodles inks. His
addy is travisATpens-more.com.
In context, he expressed an opinion in response to my question of what
his favorite pen(s) and ink(s) were. His opinion did not preclude me
from using Noodles I had just received shortly before my new Pelly
M1000 arrived. He impressed me enough where I decided not to use it in
my new Pelly, but I still loaded it my two least expensive pens. After
all, I liked the ink otherwise. It's good that I caught those 2 pens
that did dry out even with chambers nearly full. The Romet purged
without resistance but the Waterman initially required slight force
that I couldn't produce with the onboard converter. I used an old
ultrasonic cleaning machine that I fortunately had from one of my
dad's jewelry store. A few minutes in an ultrasonic bath of detergent
and water did the trick. No damage done.
~shit-magnet~
tra...@pens-more.com.] He is an expert and (in his professional
opinion) he believes his Pelican was totally ruined by Noodlers ink.
I'm no professional and my pens were rescued without permanent damage
so I am not the one to challenge. Still, I don't always have time to
wash my pens every week or dilute the ink so I will continue to enjoy
your product in my broad nibs. The medium and fine nibs are ill and
the doctor has prescribed 2% formula since cream is too rich for their
well-being.
Semolina Pilchard
> I don't see where there was any "tub-thumping"
> going on in my post.
I didn't refer to your post specifically. Look at the whole thread. Your
reply was reasonable and practical. Perhaps Mr. shit-magnet may have
provided such proof had he not been called a troll and verbally bludgeoned
by the Noodlers advocates.
> So no, this ink isn't a sacred cow,
> but it does put food on the table and clothes on the back of a very good
> friend of mine.
That's true of any ink, or indeed any manufactured article. Can we expect
to see the group entirely taken over by manufacturers and retailers of ink,
pens and papers or will the special pleading be confined to Noodlers?
> Give me this proof and you can say
> anything you like about this ink
I've said nothing about the ink, nor do I intend to. My comment was about
the rush to condemn the OP and extol the virtues of the ink. One may be
forgiven for suspecting the mob's motives when presented with such an
unedifying spectacle.
Beyond unnecessarily repeating yourself - your earlier posts are still
there for all to see - you've contributed nothing to the debate nor have
you in any way controverted my earlier point.
--
Sem
BL
"~s***-magnet~" wrote:
> I can understand why there might be
> misgivings toward myself as an
> unknown. But the guy that had the bad
> example of Noodles ruining his
> Pelly I believe to be an expert regarding
> fountain pens. Unless he is in direct
> competition with Noodles with his own
> line of ink products, that I doubt, I
> would have had no reason to question his
> veracity. He seemed like a very
> knowledgable reasonable guy.
I don't use Noodler's and have no loyalty to the owner or to the
brand. I haven't responded until now, but I must say that I had a
hard time believing the claim in your initial post. The reason is
that I can't imagine how any water-based ink could *ruin* a
Pelikan nib assembly. At the very worst, you'd have to unscrew
the nib/feed assembly, disassemble the nib/feed assembly (an easy
job), and pop the works in an ultrasonic cleaner. Further, that
any water-based ink could ruin a gold alloy nib is totally beyond
belief. I'd like to see evidence of any gold-alloy nib ruined by
any water-based fountain pen ink. Now, that someone could ruin
one or more components of a nib/feed assembly while trying to
remove it from the pen or disassemble it is entirely believable.
I'm very curious but don't want to pester Travis with a bunch of
e-mails... In what way was his nib ruined?
FWIW, if I were using any heavily dye-concentrated ink (and there
are a bunch on the market), I'd be sure to flush the pen with
fresh ink (to clear the feed channels) and flush with fresh water
more often than I would with less concentrated inks. -- B
LarryW
"Calvin Romanoff" <crom...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:EdSeg.34441$YI5....@tornado.ohiordc.rr.com...
certainly read my mind and expressed it more eloquently than I could
have. I have no hard feelings against anyone. After reading your
interpretation, I'm kind of sorry for some of those people. If I leave
the group it will be because I got all the info I needed and from some
good advise obtained from some great people in this group, I even
landed a new pen (Pelly) based on good info found here. I haven't
purchased a new pen for about 30 years (a MB) and it will be another
30 before I get another. I don't have extra time to hang out but I
know where to come if I have a new question.
I am interested in talking to you about your diagnostics. I would like
to find out exactly why 2 pens dried out and one got stopped-up while
3 others instantly layed down a good wet line. I'm so happy that you
are willing to walk me through this mystery. I've never had pens dry
out on me unless one got misplaced for a year or so. Four or five
other people expressed good experiences with the ink with an
assortment of other pens so I won't give up on the product. The old MB
simply loves the deluxe blue ink. I think I will keep it away from my
Pelly even though it has a broad nib. It's not quite as wet as the MB
even though they both have broad nibs. I have a Namiki that I'm going
to use the midnight blue. I use different colors/pens for specific
dedicated tasks and two each of broad and medium serve all my needs.
Unfortunately I think the rich colors look particularly good applied
from a fine or medium nib. The volume from a broad nib makes a more
diluted color produce a more attractive mark, at least IMO. Take care.
BTW, my name is Thomas.
Tom (not shit-magnet)
Curtis L. Russell
<shit-...@polytech.net> wrote:
>Mr. Swisher: Please contact Travis, the owner of Pens-More [
>tra...@pens-more.com.] He is an expert and (in his professional
>opinion) he believes his Pelican was totally ruined by Noodlers ink.
>I'm no professional and my pens were rescued without permanent damage
>so I am not the one to challenge. Still, I don't always have time to
>wash my pens every week or dilute the ink so I will continue to enjoy
>your product in my broad nibs. The medium and fine nibs are ill and
>the doctor has prescribed 2% formula since cream is too rich for their
>well-being.
The majority of my working pens are Pelikans and most of them are fine
points (which are pretty much mediums compared to several other
makes). They range from 150s to 600s (jnot counting the 800 that is
being corrected). Some of them will sit unused with either Noodlers or
Swisher ink in them for months - most write on the first attempt when
picked up. There has been no damage to any of them from the ink and
Noodlers and Swishers is all I use - the Mont Blanc ink goes down the
drain and I use the bottles for the Noodlers.
I can see someone that isn't a pro asking the question and where else
would they ask the question? But when a person described as a pro
makes such a determination, then I find it suspect - not on my deep
knowledge of inks, which does not exist, but from using Noodlers in at
least six colors in Pelikans since Noodlers came out with blue, black,
and blue-black (the only ink I don't much care for, but then, I'm not
sure why I ordered it to begin with).
Noodlers has been consistently better in any and all pens that I own
than any other ink. Period. And I've tried a few and even liked some
before Noodlers. Anyone want some perfectly good appearing Private
Reserve inks of various colors?
Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...
~shit-magnet~
"Derf" <de...@savrola.org> wrote in message
news:bqcp721s85vor3l2k...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 May 2006 21:52:28 -0400, "~shit-magnet~"
> <shit_...@glorycrud.com> wrote:
>
> >During the previous 20 years, my pens have gone sometimes ninety
days+
> >without activity and never dried out. Rather than facing the time
> >consuming ritual of purging the ink in anticipation of an extended
> >holiday, I just won't use Noodles ink in my medium nibbed pens.
>
> FWIW, I use Noodlers in a med point modern Pelikan, and it flows
> without any hesitation even after two weeks of non-use. I use
> Noodlers in a Japanese fine point, and it works very well, but it
> won't go two weeks, but neither will Aurora or PR ink go that long
in
> that pen.
>
>
> --
> regards, Fred
>
> The book of love is long and boring
> No one can lift the damn thing
> It's full of charts and facts and figures
> and instructions for dancing
>
> The Magnetic Fields
I have an older MB (broad) that will go perhaps a year without drying
out as long as there is ample ink in the chamber. I consider this to
be an odd exception. This pen is also consistantly wetter than I
wouldn't expect from any maker. I'd love to know why pens exceed
expectations as well as behave disappointingly. The others may last
2-4 months and not dry out. A Namiki, also a broad nib will dry to the
point of "skipping" for a while before resuming a good flow. Even the
new Pelican's wettness falls slightly short of the MB and I know the
Pelly is of higher quality than the MB. When I get some time to
furlough the Pelly for a few days, I am going to slightly dilute the
Noodler's and do a few simple experiments using those same two med
nibs and will take notes. Have a MB for 25+ years that by luck has
performed as a super-pen, a "perfect" performer - perhaps it has
spoiled me and I have unrealistic expectations of the other pens,
particularly the Pelly. I'm seeing a lot of favorable reports, such as
yours and I am looking hard for good reason to give the Noodlers
another chance because I really do like all it's other attributes. The
way my habits coincide with an irregular schedule, I really need a
lower maintenance pen that will (hopefully) stay wet for at least a
month and perhaps even six weeks. I'd like for that beautiful new
Pelly to stand beside the MB and both enjoy Noodlers without any
hesitation. Except for myself and one other, all experience reported
has been favorable. A little time shall tell. Take care Fred.
phk
>> i do agree that they're highly pigmented. & it make changing ink
>colors quite
>> tedious. [snip]
>
>I love the heavy pigment. I use a sonic gyrate to clean my pens, a
>device designed for the jewelry industry. It does take several water
>changes.
i also like the saturated colors. i also have a ultrasound cleaner. perhaps
i'd try it some other time.
my solution is stick with same ink for the same pen (usually in matching
color) for a _long_ time. (except i have no transparant ink nor striped ink
LOL)
bye now,
~shit-magnet~
"phk" <dr_g...@hotmail.com.SPAMMER.SUCK> wrote in message
news:kIqdnYWcFpO...@speakeasy.net...
Right now there's Pelikan ink in it, from the bottle that comes with
the pen. I'd still like to try the Noodler's and if the pen "likes"
the ink, continue using it. Funny, I coordinate my pen body colors
with ink colors also. It seems the natural thing to do. BTW - I had
an old old bottle of Carter green ink that I bought at a five & dime
store in 1958 and it offered up a nice bonus of bunches of polkadots.
I washed out the container and saved the little bottle. I've gotta
dive into this reader and try to set up my own account so I can get
rid of this handle following me. I sort of cringe when I see it in the
ng. The account and machine belongs to my nephew. It's hard to tell
what groups he hangs out in with a nym like that. Take care!
<<-Moonstone->>
> On Tue, 30 May 2006 11:05:05 -0400, Chuck Swisher wrote:
>
> I didn't refer to your post specifically. Look at the whole thread.
Your
> reply was reasonable and practical. Perhaps Mr. shit-magnet may
have
> provided such proof had he not been called a troll and verbally
bludgeoned
> by the Noodlers advocates.
>
expect
> to see the group entirely taken over by manufacturers and retailers
of ink,
> pens and papers or will the special pleading be confined to
Noodlers?
>
>
about
> the rush to condemn the OP and extol the virtues of the ink. One
may be
> forgiven for suspecting the mob's motives when presented with such
an
> unedifying spectacle.
> Sem
Thank you for going to bat for me Sem. I also thank Calvin for his
bitter/sweet frankness. In this climate, I know it can be difficult
for people to express "unpopular" ideas particularly if they involve
certain products. All along I made every attempt to remain
open-minded, there were times when I was even thinking and expressing
positive thoughts about the ink. I had 2 pens that dried-out and one
had a small clogg. This had never occurred before until I changed
inks. Even the nothing was ruined. At about the same time, a
"professional pen expert" reported to me that a Pelican what
permanently ruined by Noodler's ink and I had just purchased a
Pelican. From the personal experience commensurate with "professional
advice" I had warning me against Noodler's and Pelicans, I feel I was
acting in good faith.
I also want to thank Harry, Pam, Gordon, Fred, Robert, Curtis, and BL.
If I left anyone out, it was an oversight and I apologize. As someone
else said, "there are good people in there" and all you guys were very
helpful to me. All I was doing was sharing/seeking information and I t
rust that we were all helpful to one another. Calvin, your advice
played a major roll in my decision to return the Pelly for
non-ink-related reasons.
As for Tetra, you have a catty attitude an portray a personality that
Calvin expressed in his post. Your mention of a crapper reminds me,
your posts are already going into a virtual crapper called a filter.
Terry, I'm sorry that you were so overwelmed by someone's juvenile
handle that the distraction precluded you from offering any real help.
Do you have ADD or something? As for you Billtx calling me a troll,
you jumped the gun didn't you? Borked; calling me a fear monger. If I
have had that affect on you, please understand that I wasn't trying to
scare you or anyone. Borked, you based your unwarranted misgivings on
the fact that I didn't name the person that's Pelly was ruined by.
Although under no obligation, it was still hard for me to give up the
name of the person and his professional opinion that his pen was
ruined. I regret having to give good info that many of you did not
deserve to here. I called your bluff but who is really hurt as the
result of it. Be careful. The next can of worms you force opened may
hit you closer to home. Chuck, shame on you for judging my credibility
based on what I could prove. After successfully cleaning my pens
without damage, you know I couldn't offer any proof of anything yet
your perception of me was based on this proof. I did report the
pen-expert that warned me of your ink. I assume that you and he
are/were friends and he doesn't have a competing ink factory tucked
away somewhere goes he? I've never had ill-dealings with you, I don't
know you nor had I have had anything against you and the success of
your business or the lack thereof has no impact on me one way or
another. Still, your general attitude wasn't becoming of a successful
businessman. If my postings stressed you out to the point that you
apparently reached, perhaps you should find a new "lower keyed"
venture to involve yourself.
As a result of all this, I have learned that it is a good
rule-of-thumb to at least perform minimal maintenance on all all pens
without regard to ink, particularly if I am going to use rich inks
like Noodler's. For many years I have gotten away with leaving ink in
my pen while inactive for 4 or 5 months and only purging with water
when changing inks. This pen was the exception. From this point on,
all pens are going to be rinsed will water at least every 4-6 weeks.
BTW, I gave all my inks the test to see which one(s) kept a coating on
the nib after hearing that inks that did not bead on the nib also
leaves a coating on the inside (similar to cholestrol and blood vessel
walls.) I won't say which one brand on hand failed the test nor what
brands were on hand. I'm not even sure if this "test" is really
reliable. This merits further investigation.
Thank you all for ready through this wordy and probably boring
posting.
<<-Moonstone->> (formerly S. Magnet)
Semolina Pilchard
> Thank you for going to bat for me Sem.
You're welcome. I'm in the perhaps fortunate position of being a pen
collector and someone with an enduring interest in the subject. I have no
commercial interest in it. I prefer to see an open and robust discourse.
That's what usenet's for and we all learn and gain by it.
--
Sem
Tetractys
Meow!
phk
[snip] >Right now there's Pelikan ink in it, from the bottle that comes with
>the pen. I'd still like to try the Noodler's and if the pen "likes"
>the ink, continue using it. Funny, I coordinate my pen body colors
yes, some pens seem more picky about ink. however, all my 3 Pelikans are quite
easy going.
>an old old bottle of Carter green ink that I bought at a five & dime
>store in 1958 and it offered up a nice bonus of bunches of polkadots.
[snip]
polkadot ink?
Chuck Swisher
> Chuck, shame on you for judging my credibility
> based on what I could prove. After successfully cleaning my pens
> without damage, you know I couldn't offer any proof of anything yet
> your perception of me was based on this proof. I did report the
> pen-expert that warned me of your ink. I assume that you and he
> are/were friends and he doesn't have a competing ink factory tucked
> away somewhere goes he? I've never had ill-dealings with you, I don't
> know you nor had I have had anything against you and the success of
> your business or the lack thereof has no impact on me one way or
> another. Still, your general attitude wasn't becoming of a successful
> businessman. If my postings stressed you out to the point that you
> apparently reached, perhaps you should find a new "lower keyed"
> venture to involve yourself.
I beg your pardon, but I never said anything about proving your pens weren't
flowing properly, I asked for proof that Noodler's ink had permanently
damaged a Pelikan nib. Please read again and you will see that I said some
of these inks might not flow that great in pens with feeds that very fine
ink channels. Here is what I wrote to your first post:
"Just curious, what exactly was it that Noodler's supposedly did to this
Pelikan? I would love to see proof that Noodler's ink caused any damage to
this pen. I've been using Noodler's inks in my Pelikans (both vintage and
modern) since it first hit the market and I've had no problems whatsoever
with ink flow in any of my Pelikans nor has it caused any damage to any of
these pens. I do agree that it doesn't flow the greatest in pens that have
very fine feed channels but this can be adjusted by adding a little
distilled water to the ink."
Where do you see in this post that I asked you to prove anything about your
pens? I only asked that proof be provided regarding the nib that was
supposedly destroyed by Noodler's ink. I guess you're right about my
attitude not being one of a successful businessman. A successful
businessman wouldn't waste his time trying to help someone that makes false
accusations against those just trying to help. I believe if you would have
just added a little water like I suggested it might have fixed your flow
problem. As for your "pen expert", I do not know this person and it doesn't
really matter. If he had a nib destroyed by Noodler's ink why didn't he
post this information on this board of better yet, why didn't he mention it
to the maker of this ink? If I had an ink that destroyed one of my Pelikan
nibs, I sure as heck would be complaining to the maker of the ink, not
telling my customers so they can go post them on a newsgroup. As for
stressing me out, it would take a lot more than an anonymous post on a
newsgroup to cause me stress.
BTW, you're welcome!
<<-Moonstone->>
>
> I beg your pardon, but I never said anything about proving your pens
weren't
> flowing properly, I asked for proof that Noodler's ink had
permanently
> damaged a Pelikan nib. Please read again and you will see that I
said some
> of these inks might not flow that great in pens with feeds that very
fine
> ink channels. Here is what I wrote to your first post:
>
"I wasn't attacking anyone, just asking for proof that Noodler's ink
did in
fact damage a Pelikan nib beyond repair. Give me this proof and you
can say
anything you like about this ink, until then I will continue to
challenge
anyone that makes these claims on a public forum without proof to
back-up
these claims."
I never claimed anywhere that your ink ruined my Pelikan. In fact I
have not loaded my Pelly with your ink to date. I said that 2 pens
dried up and they subsequently cleaned okay without any damage being
done. I also said they never dried up before using other brands of
ink. You challenged me on the wrong claim. If you want to know who's
pen nib was reported to have been DAMAGED by NOODLER'S ink, why don't
you contact THAT PERSON directly. You know who he is. More likely he
would be your friend and/or business associate... I have never met
the guy. We exchanged a number of communications about a number of
things concerning fountain pens. He appears to be a pen expert and
should discuss the technical aspects of your ink and his Pelican. If
you are polite, I'm sure he would give you useful information...
unless you feel your ink is perfect and can do no wrong. I still think
you are being overly hostile. If that is some indication that you
aren't reacting rationally, we aren't doing either one of us any good;
We're having an obvious failure of communications and I prefer that we
terminate this exchange now.
Curtis L. Russell
<Moon...@polytech.net> wrote:
>I never claimed anywhere that your ink ruined my Pelikan. In fact I
>have not loaded my Pelly with your ink to date. I said that 2 pens
>dried up and they subsequently cleaned okay without any damage being
>done. I also said they never dried up before using other brands of
>ink. You challenged me on the wrong claim. If you want to know who's
>pen nib was reported to have been DAMAGED by NOODLER'S ink, why don't
>you contact THAT PERSON directly. You know who he is. More likely he
>would be your friend and/or business associate...
And this is a problem. If you check the scam boards, you'll find that
many of them attack a business by reporting what 'another person told
another person'. The real hope is that many people end up telling
people how Walmart tried to steal money at the cash register or Post
had a cereal box with gravel in it. You do have to realize that
reporting a second hand report is the form of a classic scam attack.
After years of reading this type of attack and finding them false, my
first reaction is to discount the story and hold its source in
question. In fact, my wife told me the Walmart story yesterday and
after a few questions, it was clear that there was nothing of
substance.
You were the source, if not the originator, on this list of the story
about the nib and that was the less believable item. I think his
response was reasonable, even if your intent was benign. It wasn't
much sharper than my conversation with my wife - the difference being
she took no offense. After all, she had no reason to feel defensive
about someone else's story...
<<-Moonstone->>
"Curtis L. Russell" <cur...@md-bicycling.org> wrote in message
news:ltot729dnv437trar...@4ax.com...
When I realized I had to provide the name of the "offended pen user",
I regretted passing the info along because I hadn't planned to reveal
the source (out of courtesy to the source.) Many people won't pass
good info when they think you'll drop their names around. Casual
chatter works similarly to news reporters guarding their sources.) How
many people here would have the nerve to criticize this brand? All I
know is I reported the facts, without embellishment. I don't
understand why it inflamed so many people. It's not hard to believe
the ink dried 2 pens. It's also not hard for me to believe an "pen
expert" when he says the ink ruined his nib. In the future, if I get
what I believe to be good useful info, I'll keep it to myself and pass
it along via private email to a privledged few and I won't get caught
up in a trap like that again. I very seldom need to verify what I say
in the real world. In consideration of all the BS that gets tossed
around online, I suppose I need to be more vigilant of my surroundings
and anonymous status. Thanks for your thoughts.
Curtis L. Russell
<Moon...@polytech.net> wrote:
>It's not hard to believe
>the ink dried 2 pens. It's also not hard for me to believe an "pen
>expert" when he says the ink ruined his nib.
I, on the other hand, do find it hard to believe if you are talking
about fountain pen ink. The only time Noodlers impacted a fountain pen
nib on one of my pens was when I tried to get the last bit of ink out
of the bottom of the bottle and I hit the bottom a bit hard. That's
why I move it to MB ink bottles - lousy ink, but IMO great bottles...
Quite simply, I've never had a nib destroyed, damaged or bothered by a
fountain pen ink. I really can't even imagine how it could be.
Something coorosive designed for a dip pen, perhaps, but even a
corrosive I would expect to do in the seals before the nib.
So, no, I can't believe that, even if repeated in good faith.
Semolina Pilchard
> It's also not hard for me to believe an "pen
> expert" when he says the ink ruined his nib.
To come back in on this and address the issue rather than the earlier
controversy: I, too, would think that unlikely. That's not to criticise
you for bringing the point up in good faith, Moonstone, but I've tried a
lot of inks over the years. Some of them have been poor, as inks go, but
none has ever done any of my pens any harm. I don't have a closed mind
about it. If the evidence was presented by the pen's owner it would have
to be given consideration but, really, it hardly seems possible. Even back
in the day, when some inks were quite caustic - and I'm talking about a
long time ago, before modern fountain pen inks were formulated - it took a
lot of use before the damage was apparent.
>In the future, if I get
> what I believe to be good useful info, I'll keep it to myself and pass
> it along via private email to a privledged few and I won't get caught
> up in a trap like that again.
I hope you change your mind. We should not be intimidated into silence by
others' hypersensitivities. The group's for the discussion of all things
relating to pens and pencils. People may wish certain topics within that
to be off limits but there's no reason why we should oblige them.
--
Sem
<<-Moonstone->>
So the ink dried 2 of my 5 pens out. I know about it and will take
reasonable steps to preventing it from happening again. It wasn't one
of my pens that was damaged. You'll need to talk to the guy over at
Pens-More and get those details. I don't know this guy any more than
you know me. It is likely that the regulars of this ng know Travis a
whole lot better than I. Does anyone here care to offer references for
Travis at Pens-More? In dealing with him from day to day, has anyone
found him to be honest and reliable or something less? Is he or is he
not considered an "expert" by his peers? I have been using FPs all my
life but I am hardly an expert to explain how or why something may or
may not have happened. Unless someone tells me that Travis has a
character disorder, I'll give him the benefit of doubt. Am I willing
to take a chance and try Noodler's in my new Pelly? Based on what
everyone in here has said, the answer is an unequivocal yes. Beyond
that, I can not offer up any more.
We're getting ready to storm and I need to tie a boat down. L8r Sem.
virgiliopoeta
Calvin Romanoff a écrit :
Finally, a friendly, decent reply.
Semolina Pilchard
> So the ink dried 2 of my 5 pens out. I know about it and will take
> reasonable steps to preventing it from happening again. It wasn't one
> of my pens that was damaged. You'll need to talk to the guy over at
> Pens-More and get those details. I don't know this guy any more than
> you know me. It is likely that the regulars of this ng know Travis a
> whole lot better than I. Does anyone here care to offer references for
> Travis at Pens-More? In dealing with him from day to day, has anyone
> found him to be honest and reliable or something less? Is he or is he
> not considered an "expert" by his peers? I have been using FPs all my
> life but I am hardly an expert to explain how or why something may or
> may not have happened. Unless someone tells me that Travis has a
> character disorder, I'll give him the benefit of doubt. Am I willing
> to take a chance and try Noodler's in my new Pelly? Based on what
> everyone in here has said, the answer is an unequivocal yes. Beyond
> that, I can not offer up any more.
Drying out can happen. The residue that's left is water-soluble and should
flush out without too much difficulty. I would regard it as something to
be aware of rather than a serious problem, which I think is the conclusion
you've come to yourself.
As regards Travis's pen, all I can say is point noted. Unless Travis makes
a report himself or submits the nib to someone who has the expertise to
determine what chemical process caused it to be damaged, it remains a
mystery.
I can't add to the advice you've been given about Noodler's ink. It has
only recently become available in Britain and as I already have several
lifetimes' supply of ink...
> We're getting ready to storm and I need to tie a boat down. L8r Sem.
Hope that works out all right for you.
--
Sem
virgiliopoeta
follow Calvin Romanoff's first posting. Ciao, virgilio
<<-Moonstone->>
<<-Moonstone->>
.> On Thu, 1 Jun 2006 14:48:55 -0400, <<-Moonstone->> wrote:
>
> Drying out can happen. The residue that's left is water-soluble and
should
> flush out without too much difficulty. I would regard it as
something to
> be aware of rather than a serious problem, which I think is the
conclusion
> you've come to yourself.
>
> As regards Travis's pen, all I can say is point noted. Unless
Travis makes
> a report himself or submits the nib to someone who has the expertise
to
> determine what chemical process caused it to be damaged, it remains
a
> mystery.
>
> I can't add to the advice you've been given about Noodler's ink. It
has
> only recently become available in Britain and as I already have
several
> lifetimes' supply of ink...
>
>
> --
> Sem
In consideration of this as well as all rich formulations, simple
steps are necessary to avoid problems. I read somewhere that one good
way to predict whether a product is sluggish and can foul a pen is to
dip the nib in the ink. If the ink beads and runs off the surface of
the nib, the ink is okay. OTOH, if the ink uniformly leaves a lasting
coating on the surface of the nib, the ink is also capable of leaving
a coating of all internal surfaces of the pen. Sounds like a I'm
speaking of a form of cholesterol and cardio disease of the pen. The
theory seems logical. I absolutely had to do this "test" purely out of
curiosity. I tested Noodler's Deluxe Blue and Midnight Blue. Also
tested Waterman, Pelikan, Sheaffer, MonteBlanc and Parker inks. All
but the Sheaffer was less than a year fresh. When I saw the results, I
laughed so hard that I coughed following up with a sneeze. Imagine had
gas followed the sneeze! [hysteria!?] (lol) Hope everyone performs the
same test with all their of inks.
On the brighter note, Noodler's appearance is most striking. Great
color and lots of it. I'm using the Deluxe Blue now and it appears to
be a rich cobalt shade and I see a very faint hint of green that is
almost lost in a deep ocean. It's hard to believe that after an
overnight soak followed by drying, no one would even suspect the page
was ever wet. That really impresses me.
hometown ambiguity
>[snip] Noodlers has been consistently better in any and all pens [snip] Anyone want some perfectly good appearing Private
>Reserve inks of various colors?
hehe. i used to like PR inks a lot before discovering Noodler. now i get
used to the saturated color of Noodler & find PR a little dry.
+ PR seems to disagree with my Namiki. but PR has some nice colors tho. :-)
Bruce Burke
>
>So the ink dried 2 of my 5 pens out. I know about it and will take
>reasonable steps to preventing it from happening again.
In case no one mentioned it, all modern pens have vented caps because
of a toddler choking incident. The vents were put in to allow airflow
through the cap in the event that happens again.
If there is no chance of your pen caps being around small children,
you can seal the vent with a little wax or something else suitable.
That should help slow the drying.
-Bruce
Regards,
Bruce
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<<-Moonstone->>
"Bruce Burke" <I...@dont.know> wrote in message
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That's a good idea excep twhen there is little or no time and I'm
running around looking for the passport and the cab is waiting, I
might try just tossing my pens into a sealable reuseable sandwich bag.
I looked at my pens and at least 4 of them don't belive have vented
caps. What helps are the pen caps with screwable threads. They mate
with the pen better than the "pop-offs" thus may be suggesting a
tighter seal.
hometown ambiguity
[snip] >
>In case no one mentioned it, all modern pens have vented caps because
>of a toddler choking incident. The vents were put in to allow airflow
thanks. i looked at few pens & can't seem to find the vent holes.
<<-Moonstone->>
"hometown ambiguity" <dr_g...@hotmail.com.SPAMMER.SUCK> wrote in
message news:Ut6dnQQW4L-KKx3Z...@speakeasy.net...
Pam - It could be that there are special European versions that
comply with their EU consumer law. If these were a choking hazard to
children, I could see where such law could prevail.
Terry McGinty
"<<-Moonstone->>" wrote in message Snipped to the point of my comment.
> Terry, I'm sorry that you were so overwelmed by someone's juvenile
> handle that the distraction precluded you from offering any real help.
> Do you have ADD or something? > <<-Moonstone->> (formerly S. Magnet)
Moonstone,
First, let me start by saying I like your new handle far more than the
former. I realize my opinion is probably an anachronism in our world of
spiralling tastes.
I must corrrect a misconception on your part. Far be it from me to be
overwhelmed by someone's juvenile handle. I find it to be puzzling that
someone would choose to post to usenet with such a silly and seemingly
imature handle on a newsgroup with a reputation for civility such as acpp.
Also, I don't mean to be antagonistic or unhelpful to anyone I believe to be
serious. Your previous handle leads to suspicions of disingenuousness,
consequently my response. After explanations, I now see that wasn't the
case, but more likely circumstances eliciting many of the responses that you
felt were not what you expected.
Not being what I consider a "real expert"; God save us from those self
styled creations, I only offered my experience with my personal use of
Pelikan fine nibbed pens and Noodler's inks to address your issue and
concerns, giving weight to the evidence that Noodler's was, to my belief,
not the cause of damage to the pen mentioned. This information may be seen
as no help, but perhaps it may be more significant than one would realize at
first. I have no personal interest in Noodler's ink other than the benefits
I've received in using them, and also to other users. I expect no discounts
or special consideration from the dealers or maker, but feel a deserving
product worthy of a reasonable profit. I buy them because I like them and
would never be as has been suggested "a minion."
As this thread has evolved to be one of the longest I've seen on acpp it
must be of interest to many and for that it has generated a quantity of
posts not seen in recent months. To what can we attribute this sudden
largess? Was it your first inappropriate handle or just mans refusal to
agree? Whatever. We all hopefully see things in a differing light now.
Could it be a Moonstone?
By the way, no I don't have ADD;-)
Regards,
Terry,
--
The address is bogus so remove the excess.
<<-Moonstone->>
"Terry McGinty" <tmcg...@excessameritech.net> wrote in message
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>
> "<<-Moonstone->>" wrote in message Snipped to the point of my
comment.
>
> > Terry, I'm sorry that you were so overwelmed by someone's juvenile
> > handle that the distraction precluded you from offering any real
help.
> > Do you have ADD or something? > <<-Moonstone->> (formerly S.
Magnet)
>
> Moonstone,
>
> First, let me start by saying I like your new handle far more than
the
> former. I realize my opinion is probably an anachronism in our
world of
> spiralling tastes.
>
> I must corrrect a misconception on your part. Far be it from me to
be
> overwhelmed by someone's juvenile handle. I find it to be puzzling
that
> someone would choose to post to usenet with such a silly and
seemingly
> imature handle on a newsgroup with a reputation for civility such as
acpp.
In the past I scouted a newsgroup by digging out archives going back a
year or more before laying down my first footprint. Expecting not to
visit any longer than it would take to acquire a few pens and some
ink. I didn't even bother to see what handle was being used. I went
into the reader and changed the setting. I did just that and the app
(system)locked up and I had to do a hard reboot. My new settings were
not retained. Initially I was shocked at what I my ID was. Not that I
don't use the colloquialism, it just isn't polite to use in public
non-intimate settings. Decided for several reasons to leave the
settings alone. After all, I would be leaving the group soon and it
really didn't matter or so I believed. I changed the handle on the day
I decided to hang out for at least a little while.
>
> As this thread has evolved to be one of the longest I've seen on
acpp it
> must be of interest to many and for that it has generated a quantity
of
> posts not seen in recent months. To what can we attribute this
sudden
> largess? Was it your first inappropriate handle or just mans
refusal to
> agree? Whatever. We all hopefully see things in a differing light
now.
> Could it be a Moonstone?
>
Perhaps it is a combination of all of the above, one aspect evolving
into another. It's difficult to analyze the dynamics of a thread. The
thread seems to have a life of it's own - growing and as you indicated
"maturing" from one thing into another. Perhaps too, the thread hasn't
followed the rule of the usual status quo, defying a more typical
redundant predictability.
> By the way, no I don't have ADD;-)
>
I was treated for it until I was 32. Sometimes I was distracted from
the greater by a lesser signifiance. I missed and even discounted a
lot of info that would have made things a whole lot easier - hadn't
this been the case.
> Regards,
> Terry,
>
> --
> The address is bogus so remove the excess.
>
The main thing is I believe I am better off today compared to the day
of my first post. It is amazing how much one can learn in just a short
period of time.
<<-Moonstone->>
"Derf" <de...@savrola.org> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 31 May 2006 18:07:16 -0400, "<<-Moonstone->>"
>
> [...]
> >..and all you guys were very helpful...
>
> Me too. I just wanted to give my anecdotal evidence. I really like
> the intense, saturated inks, so I like Noodlers. If I had to write
> with watery Quink, I might just use ballpoints. 8^)
>
> There is also something nice about the permanence of the eternal
inks.
> Nothing I write is likely to outlive me, but at least I know that
the
> cat won't completely ruin a notebook if he knocks a glass of water
> across the page.
> --
> regards, Fred
>
I've never used Quink. I started with Carters and settled with Script
for a long time. I think the most dilute ink I can think of in recent
times has been Pelican. Waterman may run a close second. I was
overseas in the late '60's and was thrown into pool fully dressed. Was
carrying my address book that had years of entries using Script
Permanent Blue. All of the ink washed right out of the pages but a
very faint crisp ghost of a gray shadow remained steadfast. I still
have that old address book. Ink has come a long way from Script to
Noodler's. I have some old family documents that were written in the
late 18th-early 19th centuries. The inks even kept out of light have
faded to a very sepia pastel. Soon there will be nothing left. The
later ink was acidic and is eating holes into the paper. Sad.
I like a strong saturated ink, especially with the finer nibs but
accordingly, broad nibs doing signatures can look great with the
pastel effects of watery ink too, especially with vibrant colors. I
think Noodler's scribble in one form or another will be uncovered by
antiquarians in the next millenium. I'd be happy with a
waterproof-only version of their Deluxe Blue though.
J. L. Jones
My experience with Noodler's ink is not extensive. I've used
four colours in several pens.
My own experience is that Noodler's ink is much less prone
to drying out and "gumming up" than other inks I've used,
especially Private Reserve which comes in lovely colours but
can be a real problem to clean out of a pen and will "gum
up" excessively, in my experience.
One of the claims for Noodler's inks was that it would wash
easily out of pens. I find this to be true and a great
advantage for those (aka me) of us who change ink colours
fairly often and who probably wash more ink down the sink
than we apply to paper.
Living in the Pacific Northwest where it rains occasionally,
I appreciate the waterproof versions of Noodlers. The
permanence is nice, I suppose. I looked at the messages
written in my senior year yearbook and the ones written with
Shaeffer blue are fading. I know it was Shaeffer blue
because that was the ink the school system provided for us
to fill our Esterbrooks.
We all know fountain pens have their own eccentricities. One
of my Parker 51's can sit in a drawer for months and write
when it touches the paper. Another dries out in a couple of
days. So while anecdotal experience is not valueless, it
must be viewed with reservation.
J. L. Jones
On Wed, 31 May 2006 18:07:16 -0400, "<<-Moonstone->>"
<Moon...@polytech.net> wrote:
Harry F. Leopold
(in article <lh6ga2hfiv26fm0un...@4ax.com>):
> My experience with Noodler's ink is not extensive. I've used four colours in
> several pens.
>
> My own experience is that Noodler's ink is much less prone to drying out and
> "gumming up" than other inks I've used, especially Private Reserve which
> comes in lovely colours but can be a real problem to clean out of a pen and
> will "gum up" excessively, in my experience.
>
> One of the claims for Noodler's inks was that it would wash easily out of
> pens. I find this to be true and a great advantage for those (aka me) of us
> who change ink colours fairly often and who probably wash more ink down the
> sink than we apply to paper.
>
> Living in the Pacific Northwest where it rains occasionally, I appreciate the
> waterproof versions of Noodlers. The permanence is nice, I suppose. I looked
> at the messages written in my senior year yearbook and the ones written with
> Shaeffer blue are fading. I know it was Shaeffer blue because that was the
> ink the school system provided for us to fill our Esterbrooks.
>
> We all know fountain pens have their own eccentricities. One of my Parker
> 51's can sit in a drawer for months and write when it touches the paper.
> Another dries out in a couple of days. So while anecdotal experience is not
> valueless, it must be viewed with reservation.
Exactly, with regard to pens having their eccentricities, I recently picked
up a bottle of Noodler's Fox red, nice color, but my Waterman 100 Year pen
does not like it, it skips a lot unless I press down more than I should. On
the other hand Noodler's Black in it is near perfect, I have yet to try
Hunter's Green in it, or my new bottle of Legal Lapis. On the other, other
hand I just filled my newly bought Sheaffer Cadet with the Fox and it is
BEAUTIFUL, this pen loves it. The older Cadet likes the Hunter Green and
Black, have tried both it in.
I haven't even opened the Legal Lapis yet, I expect to be having some fun
testing each color in each pen over the next few months and finding out which
one likes which inks best.
--
Harry F. Leopold
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hometown ambiguity
>
>My experience with Noodler's ink is not extensive. I've used
>four colours in several pens.
>
>My own experience is that Noodler's ink is much less prone
>to drying out and "gumming up" than other inks I've used,
>especially Private Reserve which comes in lovely colours but
this is my experience with PR as well. & Noodler is less likely to gum up
despite the saturated color.
>One of the claims for Noodler's inks was that it would wash
>easily out of pens. I find this to be true and a great
strange. i find Noodler hard to wash completely clean. because it's so highly
pigmented. (but i've only used like 3 or 4 colors.)
bye now,
I hated the sunsets of whatever colour, I hated its beauty and its
magic and the secret I would never know. I hated its indifference and
the cruelty which was part of its loveliness.
--- Jean Rhys, Wide Sargossa Sea
~*Thespius*~
"J. L. Jones" <jlj...@nwlink.com> wrote in message
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I got a fontain pen and bottle of noodlers ink for christmas. Haven't
used a fountain pen in years but I filled it up and did the month's
bills before letting it rest in the drawer for a month forgotten. The
pen was clogged so I do know that noddler's claim by some to have the
attributes of holy water is malarky. I say who cares. Am happy to
return to my trusted PB.
thespius
Curtis L. Russell
>I got a fontain pen and bottle of noodlers ink for christmas. Haven't
>used a fountain pen in years but I filled it up and did the month's
>bills before letting it rest in the drawer for a month forgotten. The
>pen was clogged so I do know that noddler's claim by some to have the
>attributes of holy water is malarky. I say who cares. Am happy to
>return to my trusted PB.
What does this have to do with anything, pro or con? And holy water
makes for a wet nib.
And for a positive comment or two, finally took the instructions given
long ago and went to Pen Haven in Kensington, MD. They did their magic
on three nibs and I have $ 700 plus worth of pens now working exactly
the way I always wanted them to. Since they didn't charge for the work
done, I bought a rocker blotter to lessen the guilt. And a Shaeffer
from the 30s, but that had nothing to do with guilt.
Guess I know where any gift money's going for awhile. Last week I
didn't need anymore pens. Now there is that snorkel and the touchdown
and the retracted nib and the flexible nib...
And I learned that if you have a place like Pen Haven within a
reasonable drive, don't sit around bemoaning how a pen or two is
writing (or not writing). Go on down to the guys with the black thumbs
and the experience...