Writing Pads - recommendations?
Michel Theriault
a medium nib (excellent nib, by the way) without issue, and while the
Pelikan is just slightly wider, it is wetter and the cheap lined pads I have
been using are showing a lot of 'bleed'. (before you ask, yes, the same
ink!)
I have been reading about the Levenger pads mentioned often in the group,
but not only are they very expensive (retail at Levenger, anyway), I can't
find them locally and they aren't just plain lined pads, which is all I need
(squared paper would be even better, though....)
Any suggestions or recommendations for me on other brands of writing pads
that are a good bet with a fountain pen?
Michel.
CapQb
and either narrow or wide ruled. They are easily available in Staples and cost
around $10 for a pack of 6 or 8 pads, as I recall.
Kurt E. Matthews
depends on how many children you have. Economy has a lot to do with it.
They all want to use the same paper that "Daddy does".
Kurt
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MICHAEL G. ELLIS
white or yellow, grid, blank or lined. I feel they are worth the money and
are unique atleast in the legal size, take the ink well, although, not as
good as a few years back before they made changes in the content.
Clairefountaine would be the epitome though.
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KCat
<tor...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>I agree with CapQb (really). However, which writing paper is the best
>depends on how many children you have. Economy has a lot to do with it.
>They all want to use the same paper that "Daddy does".
>
>Kurt
I like Dual Pads when going for "cheaper than levenger" but I can't
stand the really cheap stuff (Office store brand). might as well
write on bathroom tissue.
My brother with his budding artist daughter of 8 yrs. has to be kept
from the levenger pads with lock and key.
now if I could just convince *him* to quit hugging the tablets and
*write* on them. :-)
KCat
<mike...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>Clairefountaine would be the epitome though.
and would there be a website for this?
You'll never find Levenger locally - they count on that. you can
watch for sales though they rarely put their main tablet design on
sale. They also have looseleaf paper but it's pretty pricey IMO.
Circa stuff is nice but much more expensive than the pads.
Wendy A. Shaffer
"Michel Theriault" <mjthe...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I have been reading about the Levenger pads mentioned often in the group,
> but not only are they very expensive (retail at Levenger, anyway), I can't
> find them locally and they aren't just plain lined pads, which is all I need
> (squared paper would be even better, though....)
>
> Any suggestions or recommendations for me on other brands of writing pads
> that are a good bet with a fountain pen?
Clairfontaine pads are great with fountain pens, and you can get them in
ruled and graph (squared) paper in a variety of sizes. They aren't
cheap, but I think they are more economical than Levenger.
Some slightly cheaper options:
Cambridge notepads made by Mead -- these come with slightly thicker paper
than typical cheap notepads. They come in ruled and graph.
Somebody already mentioned Ampad GoldFibre pads. I recently picked up
an Ampad "Evidence" pad - squared ruling on a light gray background.
It's great with fountain pens.
---wendy
geert
Greetings
Geert
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Michel Theriault
tried Cambridge, and while they were better, they still bled more than the
cheap lined 3 hole paper we buy for our kid's school work - I just looked
yesterday and it's made by Hilroy. Now I'm on the hunt to see if they make a
pad with the same paper!
Michel.
"Wendy A. Shaffer" <wsha...@uclink4.berkeley.edu> wrote in message
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Patrick Lamb
I've had some problems with a combination of the Gold Fiber pads and
Pelikan blue ink. I don't really understand it, but that ink won't
reliably come out of an M800 onto that paper for me. Skips or writes
light, but irregularly. Add a bit of black (any of the three brands
I've tried) or turquoise, and it's fine. Every other ink I've tried is
great, though.
Pat
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Correct email address like pdlamb 'round-about comcast point net.
Michel Theriault
couple of suggestions, but perhaps someone can enlighten me as to what makes
paper good for fountain pens - fibre content, process, chemical treatment,
or what? and how can you know when you buy paper???
Michel.
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so what
There is a collector here, CWood, who works for a paper company. I am going to
send your questions to him and ask him to answer here. He actually posted about
paper over a month ago.
satrap
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Thaddeus L. Olczyk
Do you need a pad, or can the paper be loose?
You may find some (18-24lb ) "copier" paper more to your liking.
Something like Classic Linen.
And it is certainly a better quality paper.
Now if only I could find something to hold it, similar to legal pad
holders.
Chuck
The brief answer is that any paper qualified by the manufacturer for use in
ink jet printers is excellent for use with fountain pens. They both use
water based inks. The longer answer involves an understanding of how paper
is manufactured. Briefly, stay associated with the writing grades of fine
papers and you will stand a better chance of success. That statement has
holes in it because not all writing grades will perform satisfactorily with
pens but most will. My personal preference is Strathmore Writing. It is
fountain pen friendly across the entire line of whites and colors. This
sheet contains 25% cotton fiber and has been manufactured continuously for a
number of years. It was originally designed for use with pen and ink and has
not changed. Next choice would be Classic Crest by Neenah Paper Co. It
comes in whites and colors. This is a 100% wood pulp paper with no cotton
content. Between these 2 selections, you would have a choice of 8 whites and
15 colors. If you need more ideas, let me know.
Chuck
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William Bruce
> Levenger are great pads... and
> are unique at least in the legal size....
I'm considering ordering some pads from Levenger. Is there something
different about the legal size layout vs. their letter size? Or were you
making a distinction betwen Levenger's legal size pads vs what's available
from competition. I like the handy letter size but would consider their
legal size if there was a good reason. Thanks.
William Bruce
KCat
On Thu, 16 May 2002 06:27:48 -0500, "Chuck" <cw...@plu.org> wrote:
>Hi Michael,
>The brief answer is that any paper qualified by the manufacturer for use in
>ink jet printers is excellent for use with fountain pens. They both use
the only problem - I write novels (that is, my letters to my friends
are as many as 20 pages long, both sides). so when I go to mail that
letter it's a small fortune rather than one ounce rate. So I have
taken to Crane's airmail paper which I think they are phasing out
unfortunately. It takes the ink very well and surprisingly, the show
through is tolerable. not great but tolerable - but that's partly why
I use purple ink for such writing - because I know it won't show
through as strongly as blue or black but it's still rich enough to be
a comfortable read.
anyway - i've used jet printer paper (the smooth, heavier stuff) and
yes, it works great for fountain pens. I just don't like the weight
when mailing. Levenger is just as heavy of course but I use my
Levenger for projects. I would love to find a lightweight paper that
doesn't bleed and is a decent size for letter writing. thus far,
anything from the office supply stores is either heavy and smooth and
(Hammermill is one of my favorites) or thin and useless. I also buy
some of the linen papers sold at these stores and these are quite
heavy also but still take ink well.
but none of these are "pads" for taking notes or anything so all of
the above is probably useless to the OP.
however, Chuck (love the nick BTB), perhaps you can recommend a
stationery grade paper that is light enough to mail but sturdy enough
to take water-based ink?
KCat
wrote:
>Do you need a pad, or can the paper be loose?
>You may find some (18-24lb ) "copier" paper more to your liking.
>Something like Classic Linen.
>And it is certainly a better quality paper.
>Now if only I could find something to hold it, similar to legal pad
>holders.
err.... clipboard?
I use a cheap clipboard for loose paper composition. a
compartment-type clipboard would keep it tame but is awkward to write
on IMO. sorry - not much help.
KCat
<whb...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>I'm considering ordering some pads from Levenger. Is there something
>different about the legal size layout vs. their letter size? Or were you
>making a distinction betwen Levenger's legal size pads vs what's available
>from competition. I like the handy letter size but would consider their
>legal size if there was a good reason. Thanks.
>
>William Bruce
Same layout. One or the other (sorry, you'll have to check online)
comes in yellow only (or is it white only? or am I thinking grid vs.
rules)
gee, I'm no help at all. :P
I just know the layout is the same. The old Juris pads were different
- with a tiny left margin and the two-hole punch at the top and a
stiffer board. I like those but they are no longer stocking them.
Nancy Handy
> Any suggestions or recommendations for me on other brands of writing pads
> that are a good bet with a fountain pen?
I prefer the Circa paper and the whole removable system. I even
invested in the circa punch so I can add sheets. (available at Levenger)
For smooth paper, I like the Komtrak paper and I keep it in the Komtrak
comb system which stays in better than Circa. The paper is slightly
better than Clairfontaine. The pen skates across the paper. (available
directly from Mike the owner of Komtrak in Plainview, NY or from Pearl
Art)
For paper with more tooth that grabs the pen, I like Elco paper that
happen to come with the artsy watermarks that can only be seen when held
up to the light - mountains and other visually pretty things.
(available at Pearl Art and some high end stationary stores, but MUCH
cheaper at Pearl)
Of the above mentioned, only Clairfontaine and Elco come in pads.
Nancy
KCat
wrote:
>Michel Theriault <mjthe...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Any suggestions or recommendations for me on other brands of writing pads
>> that are a good bet with a fountain pen?
>
>I prefer the Circa paper and the whole removable system. I even
>invested in the circa punch so I can add sheets. (available at Levenger)
I like it - but it's so much more expensive than their notepads.
still - I'm trying to figure out how to justify the new "translucent"
covers. And someday - when I'm rich (ha!) I'll buy a Junior Leather
Circa cover.
they now offer a large ($900US) circa punch. that's the other
problem, justifying the $60 punch... i can't do it at this time.
>For smooth paper, I like the Komtrak paper and I keep it in the Komtrak
>comb system which stays in better than Circa. The paper is slightly
>better than Clairfontaine. The pen skates across the paper. (available
>directly from Mike the owner of Komtrak in Plainview, NY or from Pearl
>Art)
sounds intriguing - is there a web site?
Chuck
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> warning - slight thread drift
Guilty as charged
> however, Chuck (love the nick BTB), perhaps you can recommend a
> stationery grade paper that is light enough to mail but sturdy enough
> to take water-based ink?
Keep in mind that you'e asking to move both ends of the design spectrum.
Lighter paper means less opacity (the ability of a sheet to resist the
transmittal of light through it). The overwhelming demand from users is for
heavier, not lighter papers these days. This is primarily for feeding
reliability for printers, but it's what's in demand.
Try contacting your local paper merchant and asking for Trojan Onionskin.
This is a 9# basis wt. paper manufactured by the Fox River Paper Co. and is
25% cotton fiber content. It is FP friendly, light in weight, and will offer
a "reasonable" compromise between sub. wt. and opacity. I haven't sold the
Fox River line in a number of years, so I can't even say for sure that this
grade is still available, but your local paper merchant can assist you.
Chuck
Chuck
have it padded. They will provide the chipboard back and glue it all
together for you at a nominal sum. Just ask them to include it with their
next padding operation and tell them that you're willing to wait a few days.
If they don't have to do a special padding run just for you, it shouldn't
cost more than a dollar or two at most.
Chucknews:k9l7eucnp6mcr55qo...@4ax.com...
Nancy Handy
> On Thu, 16 May 2002 17:19:30 GMT, nha...@optonline.net (Nancy Handy)
> wrote:
> >I prefer the Circa paper and the whole removable system.
> I like it - but it's so much more expensive than their notepads.
> still - I'm trying to figure out how to justify the new "translucent"
> covers. And someday - when I'm rich (ha!) I'll buy a Junior Leather
> Circa cover.
I bought the Junior leather circa cover when they first came out and
I've never regretted it. I was going to wait till I got rich, but....
I just couldn't wait that long. LOL
I want the translucent covers also. I think those have a fabulous look
to them too!
> they now offer a large ($900US) circa punch. that's the other
> problem, justifying the $60 punch... i can't do it at this time.
The really expensive punch goes through about a dozen papers while the
$60 punch goes through about five. I don't understand why anyone would
shell out for the overly expensive one.
> >For smooth paper, I like the Komtrak paper and I keep it in the Komtrak
> >comb system which stays in better than Circa. The paper is slightly
> >better than Clairfontaine. The pen skates across the paper. (available
> >directly from Mike the owner of Komtrak in Plainview, NY or from Pearl
> >Art)
>
> sounds intriguing - is there a web site?
No he doesn't have a company website that I know of, but I've seen his
books and refills at:
http://www.misterart.com/R/Komtrak/
but they only show the black in which the cover doesn't fold all the way
around. And they only show the black one. I don't know how their
prices compare to buying directly from Mike or from Pearl Art.
I've visited Mike's business. He's in one of those large industrial
complexes. He's busy round the clock and he's got his wife and one of
his kids in the business too. It's a real family run business and he
takes pride in the quality of his papers. You can see them in Pearl Art
- there's a high quality lined writing paper in a few sizes, an unlined
watercolor paper, unlined pastel art papers, and an unlined sketch
paper. His art papers are getting quite a following in the art stores.
His paper is like a slightly better, slightly thicker Clairfontaine and
his refillable books are much more elegant than the cheesy Clairfontaine
pad covers.
There's 2 different refillable binder systems. One allows the cover
to be folded 360 degrees around to go against the back cover while you
write. The other just stays opened. I bought both. He has top-opening
or side-opening binders. And he makes different colored covers than the
plain black that I've seen in Pearl. He made me a clear one and an
electric blue. He makes letter and junior sized papers. I think he
might do legal and memo-sized too.
Mike will work with you to get you something you like if you don't rush
him. He made me a wonderful hunter green faux suede top opening cover
and it was a lot cheaper than Circa.
If you ever buy his paper, you want to ask for his highest quality
writing paper - he used to make a cheaper paper for people who think
paper is just.... paper.
I'm not affilitated, but I am just a big fan of writing on great papers.
Komtrak (owner Mike)
51 Werman Ct
Plainview, NY 11803
(516) 293-7170
Nancy
MICHAEL G. ELLIS
also.
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Robin Myers
>
> I have been reading about the Levenger pads mentioned often in the group,
> but not only are they very expensive (retail at Levenger, anyway), I can't
> find them locally and they aren't just plain lined pads, which is all I need
> (squared paper would be even better, though....)
>
> Any suggestions or recommendations for me on other brands of writing pads
> that are a good bet with a fountain pen?
For pocket sized notebooks you might try the Pentalic Pocket Sketchbook.
They are 3.5 x 4.75 inches in size with a spiral binding and microperfed
pages. I've seen them at local (SF Bay Area) stationers and art stores.
They've worked very well with Private Reserve, Sheaffer, Herbin and
Sakura inks. You might also look in art stores for sketchpads that are
rated for ink drawing.
Good luck,
Robin Myers
Thaddeus L. Olczyk
>Why not pad your favorite paper? Take it to a local print shop and ask to
>have it padded. They will provide the chipboard back and glue it all
>together for you at a nominal sum. Just ask them to include it with their
>next padding operation and tell them that you're willing to wait a few days.
>If they don't have to do a special padding run just for you, it shouldn't
>cost more than a dollar or two at most.
>Chuck
Hmmm. MIght such places have pads lying around from previous runs?
Also might they not already have your paper?
Foo Bar
vertical lines?
so what
>Does anyone know how french ruled paper is supposed to be used? Why the
>vertical lines?
I don't know, but I would turn it sideways and write.
delete 1.
Satrap
I find delusions of grandeur to be absolutely true
J Rogow
in them from bottom up (turned 180 degrees) when I'm on an
assignment.
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BC
> that are a good bet with a fountain pen?
>
>
Hi. I'm not a usual poster here, but I've done a little bit of recent
research into this very topic. My overall preferences for writing
pads are:
1) Clairefontaine Triomphe ("UNI" - Unlined)
2) Canson Esquisse Sketch (microperfed at top)
3) G. Lalo Verge De France (Crown Mill is similar)
4) If visiting England, WHSmith Premium Writing Paper
5) Also in England, Sussex Stationers Recycled
6) Crane Airmail
The Canson will likely be the easiest to find at the larger art supply
stores. It's also recycled, acid-free & fairly cheap. Crane Airmail is
also relatively easy to find, but very expensive. Clairefontaine and G.
Lalo are easy to find via the internet. Crown Mill pads seem to only
exist in my local Bob Slate stationery stores in Cambridge, MA (where
you can also find Clairefontaine, G. Lalo, and a couple of other odd
European pads.) Texturewise, Clairefontaine is near-glossy smooth, the
Canson medium smooth, the Crane silk-like, and the others Jute-like.
Just try 'em and see.
Hope this was useful.
-BC
torcal
They are perforated on the top and come in yellow for lawyers to help
compensate for their attention deficit disorders and nice old light grey for
the rest of us. The pads (8-1/2 x 11) are sold in a package of about 10
each and are very economical.
Kurt
"MICHAEL G. ELLIS" <mike...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> Levenger are great pads, come in smaller than letter, letter and legal,
> white or yellow, grid, blank or lined. I feel they are worth the money and
> are unique atleast in the legal size, take the ink well, although, not as
> good as a few years back before they made changes in the content.
> Clairefountaine would be the epitome though.
>
>
> "Michel Theriault" <mjthe...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> > I have my new Pelikan 800 with a medium nib. I have been using a Recife
> with
> > a medium nib (excellent nib, by the way) without issue, and while the
> > Pelikan is just slightly wider, it is wetter and the cheap lined pads I
> have
> > been using are showing a lot of 'bleed'. (before you ask, yes, the same
> > ink!)
> >
> > I have been reading about the Levenger pads mentioned often in the
group,
> > but not only are they very expensive (retail at Levenger, anyway), I
can't
> > find them locally and they aren't just plain lined pads, which is all I
> need
> > (squared paper would be even better, though....)
> >