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Christopher Wigdor

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Aug 3, 2002, 2:25:39 AM8/3/02
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Like an idiot, and not for the first time, I have not closed properly the
lid on the inkpot I use for dip pens, which contains calligraphy ink
(Daler-Rowney, made in Jamesburg, New Jersey). The ink has turned to jelly.

In the past when this has happened, I have thrown it away, but having read
Frank Dubiel's frequent comment that ink is no more than coloured water,
this is to ask if I can simply add water to the jelly and reconstitute the
ink?

Christopher W.


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Aug 3, 2002, 8:14:16 AM8/3/02
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Yes if it a good ink to start with. Maybe not if its a bad ink and ANY
calligraphy ink is very bad for fountain pens, so in your case maybe
not. Ive said this a 1000s times--FOUNTAIN pen ink is colored water.
I've also said many times calligraphy ink is not fountain pen ink no
matter what the bottle may say.
Frank

so what

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Aug 3, 2002, 8:25:22 AM8/3/02
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Christopher,

Since the pen in question is a dip pen (which means, you don't have to worry
about ruining the insides of a pen), can you just experiment with the "jelly"
ink? That is, just take a little of the ink and mix with water, and see what
happens.

Christopher Wigdor

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Aug 3, 2002, 9:04:47 AM8/3/02
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Frank,

As I said in the original post, I use this calligraphy ink for dip pens; I
wouldn't dream of using it in a fountain pen.

What exactly is calligraphy ink (if as you say, it is not like fountain pen
ink) ?

Christopher W.

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Adrian Lawrie

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Aug 3, 2002, 9:34:27 AM8/3/02
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If it is calligraphy ink it will contain shellac and will need to be diluted
with some form of alcohol such as methelated spirits. A competent
woodworker or French polisher could advise you on how to disolve the
shellac.

Adrian

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fdu...@aol.com

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Aug 3, 2002, 9:47:23 AM8/3/02
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Christopher Wigdor wrote:
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> Frank,
>
> As I said in the original post, I use this calligraphy ink for dip pens; I
> wouldn't dream of using it in a fountain pen.
>
> What exactly is calligraphy ink (if as you say, it is not like fountain pen
> ink) ?

Pease don't get upset but this question has been answered here dozens of
times in the past years and months. I have no idea on earth what YOUR
exact ink is, but usually calligraphy or drafting ink is some sort of
waterproof ink made with pigments, not dyes, and is more akin to paint
than a water based ink. Most also contain some sort of varish as well
to act as a binder. Frank

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Aug 3, 2002, 9:54:37 AM8/3/02
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Adrian Lawrie wrote:
>
> If it is calligraphy ink it will contain shellac and will need to be diluted
> with some form of alcohol such as methelated spirits. A competent
> woodworker or French polisher could advise you on how to disolve the
> shellac.
>

Well, not always. For example the calligraphy sets sold by Sheaffer and
Parker come with standard Skrip and Quink ink cartridges. Of course
they don't call the ink in them "calligraphy" but some folks may think
it is, when its normal very good standard fountain pen ink. I don't
doubt some normal water based ink has been sold under the calligraphy
based label over the years. Which ones? I don't know. How could I
know? There are so many oddball inks out there no one can keep track.
Use at your own risk. But please don't ask me what is in "King Edward
Joseph Hammond Leo's Standard Universal Writing and Calligraphy ink for
use in all Writing Pens" :) Frank
> >

Christopher Wigdor

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Aug 3, 2002, 4:40:23 PM8/3/02
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Thank you for the suggestions. I decided to use a mixture of alcohol and
water, otherwise known as vodka (seriously) and it has reconstituted the ink
very well. Writes fine, dries as per the original.

Thanks again.

Christopher W.


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Juan

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Aug 5, 2002, 3:16:57 PM8/5/02
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If the ink were orange, then you would have the "Satrapian Screwdriver
Ink", any manufacturer dares??

Juan

so what

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Aug 5, 2002, 10:31:39 PM8/5/02
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>
>
>If the ink were orange, then you would have the "Satrapian Screwdriver
>Ink", any manufacturer dares??
>
>

LOL!

BTW, I received an order from Chuck today (lightning fast, I must say). Cross
ATX FP, ink, and leather pen case.

Just wanna say that of course I liked the service. And, the ATX is a great
little pen. Not ugly, so those who are a little hesitant about the Core should
go for the ATX. It is plain (I bought the chrome), understated, and so NOT me,
but I love it.

Filled it with Bexley Turquoise, and as usual, Cross starts up first time,
every time.

Loaded up the new pen case (it holds 12) with LeMan 100, Waterford Grafton,
ATX, Visconti Pericle. Ready to go!


satrap
who had better start saving money for the pen show...

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