Fake Blue Ocean Pelikan from Regina Martini
Eric L. Diamond
There is a copy of the Pelikan Blue Ocean transparent demonstrator. This
pen was sold on E-bay and regina....@t-online.de has tried to pass this
pen off as the original. She is selling a copy made from spare parts.
There is no numbering on clip and no certificate or box. Be very careful
buying pens from this individual.
regina....@t-online.de is in Germany and only wants CASH for purchases.
Very risky purchase.
Buyer Beware.
bru...@ix.nospam.netcom.com
I saw this pen on e-bay where she specifically stated it was not a
real Blue Ocean. It also sold for about half the going rate of a Blue
Ocean.
KateTCA
Pelikan made a number of extra Blue Oceans and did not include serial numbers
or papers with them. Other than that, they are the same pen, for those who
like pens to write with instead of imagining that they are some kind of
investment, this is a nice pen. Regina Martini is not the only person selling
these, nor is she the only overseas seller to prefer cash transactions. If you
have ever tried to convert foreign currency here in the US, you will understand
why. I personally have had 5 transactions with Ms. Martini without a hitch and
can recommend her highly.
Kate Teeters
Dave
Eric
The E-bay ad CLEARLY stated that it was NOT numbered, without the usual
white acrylic box, or papers and sold for $449. The Pelikan corner also
posted a number of these "Blue Demonstrator's," stating that Pelikan had
released them (Blue Demo's) for sale from spare parts, parts held in
inventory to make repairs on the 5,000 Blue Oceans.
Apparently you didn't read the auction ad, nor did you see the second
auction she held for a Blue Ocean (so stated) or the price this one
brought.
I've dealt with both Regina & Pelikan's Corner, and found both to be
way, way, way above board. Perhaps your problem is unfamiliarity with
Pelikans, or perhaps you didn't read the post?
Did you bid/win this pen, or is there some hidden agenda that your not
stating?
Dave
> There is a copy of the Pelikan Blue Ocean transparent demonstrator. This
> pen was sold on E-bay and regina....@t-online.de has tried to pass this
> pen off as the original. She is selling a copy made from spare parts.
> There is no numbering on clip and no certificate or box. Be very careful
> buying pens from this individual.
>
> regina....@t-online.de is in Germany and only wants CASH for purchases.
> Very risky purchase.
>
> Buyer Beware.
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KateTCA
I went back and checked the post on E-Bay, and the original sale, which Eric
did win, did not say Blue Ocean at all, but simply blue transparent Pelikan
M800 demo. Rather than slandering the seller, I would recommend that all
buyers ask questions if there is some doubt before a purchase.
Kate Teeters
RussLear
I've bought from Ms. Martini (paying cash). I got exactly what I paid for in a
very timely manner with good communications. I'd hate to see her blacklisted
because of one questionable problem.
Russell.
ki...@cris.com
Eric L. Diamond wrote:
>
> There is a copy of the Pelikan Blue Ocean transparent demonstrator. This
> pen was sold on E-bay and regina....@t-online.de has tried to pass this
> pen off as the original. She is selling a copy made from spare parts.
> There is no numbering on clip and no certificate or box. Be very careful
> buying pens from this individual.
>
> regina....@t-online.de is in Germany and only wants CASH for purchases.
> Very risky purchase.
>
> Buyer Beware.
Regina is very reputable. Anyone who know the European market knows
that Pelikan made these NON-LE pens.... with the same body as the famed
Blue Ocean.
She clearly states this. Any perceived lack of clarity is only from a
language gap.... Ms Martini's native tongue is German.
WMcCracken
LarryS86
I have had a half dozen pen shipments from Regina this year with none of them
being misrepresented. What I have learned in transacting over the internet is
to make sure I know what I'm buying and if in doubt ask questions for
clarification.
Besides email, Regina has a phone and a fax. If you need these numbers look
them up on her web page. By the way she does take credit cards and I would
think a bank draft would be equally acceptable.
Her original posting for this pen was as follows;
<<<Mint Pelikan 800 demonstrator in blue transparent. Pen has a 18 carat
medium two color nib. Buyer pays $6 for shipping as a registered
airmail, higher insurance on request.>>>
Her followup posting for this pen was;
<<<***Please note, that is the same pen which was listed under the item
#2106525 from 11/17/97 to 11/24/97. The high bidder dont bought the pen
after the sale and do not paid the fees. Please bid only on that pen if
you are shure that you like it and want to buy it*** Mint Pelikan 800
demonstrator in blue transparent. Pen has a 18 carat medium two color
nib. This pen is similar to the Blue Ocean, but has no number on the
clip ring. Of these pens were produced ~50 to 100 pieces. Pelikan
produced this pens for repairing. Buyer pays $6 for shipping as a
registered airmail, higher insurance on request.>>>
Apparently the assumption made that the "Pelikan 800 demostrator in blue
transparent" was the same as a Pelikan Blue Ocean is erroneous. No where in
the original posting did she call it a Blue Ocean. Something that may have
added to the confusion is that Pelikan does call the green transparent a M800
Demostrator.
Hope this helpful and a Happy New Years to all...
Larry
Yves Remedios
In article <YT6q.7788$BU2.1...@news.internetMCI.com>, "Eric L.
Diamond" <E.DI...@INTERNETMCI.COM> writes
>There is a copy of the Pelikan Blue Ocean transparent demonstrator. This
>pen was sold on E-bay and regina....@t-online.de has tried to pass this
>pen off as the original. She is selling a copy made from spare parts.
>There is no numbering on clip and no certificate or box. Be very careful
>buying pens from this individual.
AFAIK, these pens were released by the Pelikan factory in Germany...I
have seen a dealer in Hannover offering these pens. In these
circumstances, I can't see how you can describe it as a "fake".
--
Yves Remedios
When replying by e-mail, please correct my address using the word demon.
Rip Griffith
I would think an apology to Ms.Martini is in order. This posting crosses
the line into slander, and if these parties resided in the US, I believe
Ms. Martini could bring action under law. It's very important to check
one's facts before shooting off half-cocked. Too many people read only
the first posting and not the follow-ups, and in this instance would be
left believing Ms. Martini had perpetrated some sort of fraud rather than
Eric having jumped to conclusion and most erroneously accused Ms.
Martini. Eric, Apologize!
Rip
Don Haupt
I want to add to the chorus of references for Ms. Martini....in our several
dealings, she has bee completely honest and reputable. I read the descriptions
on EBay and reprinted here. It is amply clear what the nature of the pen is. I
wonder whether the author of this thread was the winning bidder who did not pay
the first time alluded to, or the winner this time?
Best
Don
Eric Smith
Just my vote of support for Regina as well. Have bought many pens from her
with no problems. And on one occasion when I did a small favor for
her...she sent me a pen for my troubles. How many times to you find someone
with that kind of integrity and customer service?
Don Haupt wrote in message
<19980103195...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
Graham J Oliver
May I add to the comments of Don Haupt &Co. I have have had the
privilege of meeting and dealing with Regina several times. She is a
most honourable businesslady and also a dedicated, enthusiastic and
knowledgeable collector. Our hobby benefits enormously from people of
her standing and commitment.
--
Best Wishes,
Graham.
PENMART10
In article <fmIVeVAc...@eaton.demon.co.uk>, Graham J Oliver
<G...@eaton.demon.co.uk> writes:
Pure speculative opinion, except for the business' part. Are you her defense
attorney? Then again, you may be her engraver. ;) Notice I dropped "lady",
everyone has an opinion.
Sheldon
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PelikanDRP
I'd still like to hear more about replacing the cap nut on this piece with a
numbered one. That's quite an offer to make. Where's the numbered ring coming
from? What happened to the pen it was on? Was this offer a language bungled
offer to replace the entire non L.E. piece with a L.E. piece?
Let's get away from calling these "fake" Blue Oceans. They are in fact real
B.O.'s simply not part of the limited edition.
Paul
---
"Minds and fountain pens will work when willed,
but minds, like fountain pens, must first be filled"
PENMART10
In article <19980105161...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, pelik...@aol.com
(PelikanDRP) writes:
>I'd still like to hear more about replacing the cap nut on this piece with
>a numbered one. That's quite an offer to make. Where's the numbered ring
>coming from? What happened to the pen it was on? Was this offer a language
>bungled offer to replace the entire non L.E. piece with a L.E. piece? Let's
>get away from calling these "fake" Blue Oceans. They are in fact real B.O.'s
>simply not part of the limited edition.
>Paul
Oookay, how 'bout callin' em 'counterfakes'?
Sheldon
PelikanDRP
In article <19980105224...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, penm...@aol.com
(PENMART10) writes:
>Oookay, how 'bout callin' em 'counterfakes'?<
Hi All,
Manufacturers do this. The M900 Toledo for example can be found three ways.
While the "W-Germany" marked limited edition is most desired, there are pieces
marked "W-Germany" that are not part of the 1992 U.S. series of 500. There are
also the pieces marked "Germany." Still, the "limited edition" remains just
that, and I've always known Pelikan to make each issue slightly
different....no, you can't switch a German cap with a W-German cap...the
barrel's are different <g>.
The M800 Green Demonstrator is another example. While a limited edition of 3000
pieces issued to the U.S. (actually "North America") in 1992, there were 9000
made....AND....none were numbered. While the U.S. L.E. *is* marked
"W.-Germany," only the certificate distinguishes it from the European issue of
3000.
Another 3000 later pieces were marked "Germany."
I have two (not Pelikan) limited edition pieces engraved with the same number.
One box is marked "xxxE" for export, and the other simply "xxx." To a lesser
degree, another company states "limited edition of 300 pieces." Hmmm...seems
there are three colors...300 of each color, but it's never made clear.
As with any "limited edition" it's important to know just *what* that means.
Regards,