Current market value of jukeboxes

[daniel7y]

I've noticed a lot of jukeboxes (particularly on eBay Australia) set
at high prices, usually far above what is considered the market value.
I was under the impression that jukeboxes were generally depreciating
in the digital era, but maybe not? There was an AMI G in working
condition on eBay a little while a go staring bid at $5000. I'm not
sure if people think they are sitting on a goldmine and/or being
greedy, or if its because less machines are for sale which has driven
the market value up?

I'm curious to hear what people think about the current state of the
jukebox market.

[kreed]

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200719671367?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649
Did you see the $30K Wurlitzer Teledisc ?

(I have not got a clue what this would really be worth but 30k seems
insane to me).



In some cases the prices can be realistic, usually ROWE R-86-9 CD
Combos are listed around 3K in
what appear to be good condition, but a couple of 86's that were
started at auction from a $1 bid
went for well in excess of 2k, so the $3k was a little bit above
market value but not far off, and
the 3k ones were probably negotiated down outside Ebay.

There seems to be no shortage of these machines, as I believe that
literally hundreds of them were imported
from the UK by American Amusements in the 1990's and early 2000's.

This is on top of the significant number that would have been sold new
through the authorised distributor here.



http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ROWE-AMI-R89-JUKEBOX-/280842147713?pt=AU_CoinOp&hash=item41637f1781

The others like the $3,300+ R-89 that has been listed over and over
for several years and never sells
are obviously excessively priced. Very hard to know a value on these
things as you never see them for sale,
probably because not many were imported to Aus at the time ?

All I can tell you was that when they were first sold new here in
1985-6, United Coin (Qld Rowe distributor at the time)
wanted $5k for one, and $5k for the video player option. Fantastic
sounding and looking machine though at the time.
Always wanted to own one, and eventually did, and still have it
somewhere.




http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMI-National-G80-Jukebox-Multi-Horn-Hi-Fi-records-/270700121401?pt=AU_CoinOp&hash=item3f06fc0d39

As for the unrestored $5k G80 it is STILL THERE and IMHO is again
totally insane, especially with those scrapes in the paintwork, the
voltage selector missing out of the amp, and just a hole there, and
other nasties.

Then again if you have a look at that shot showing the end of the
machine there is a record in there with the 1970's "World series
cricket"
logo on it, unless that is somehow worth $4k+ on its own as some sort
of sports related collectable, I would tend to give this machine the
big miss.
I think I would be reluctant to touch it even well under $1000. Maybe
someone outside of Australia who is crazy about exotic G-80's would
get excited about this as it is the Australian Made model by National-
AMI (Natami) made under License from AMI in USA. (note the word
"National" on the badge in the middle of the horn grille at the top).
Be warned though, there is no setting to run these on 120v, but they
are built to a high standard.

I would suggest that a G-80 unrestored but in reasonable, tidy
condition and working ok would be very lucky to reach the $2k level,
but that
would be just an estimate, and probably an overly optomistic one.


I think that looking at his other items, this very Non-PC kids book
would be more value for money. Looking further times seem to be
tough in the antique and collectable housewares market, which is what
this seller seems to specialise in. You would think from watching
"collectors" on ABC that this stuff would sell for a bit more.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-BIGGLES-FLIES-AGAIN-Capt-WE-Johns-hc-Thames-Publishing-Co-c1950s-/260948644685?pt=AU_Antiquarian_Collectable_Books&hash=item3cc1c0534d

[daniel7y]

>
> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200719671367?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trk...

> Did you see the $30K Wurlitzer Teledisc ?
>
> (I have not got a clue what this would really be worth but 30k seems
> insane to me).

Yeah I saw that... That is an outrageous price. I don't really know
what it would be worth but I don't understand it's appeal, other than
the fact that it's rare I guess.

>
> In some cases the prices can be realistic, usually ROWE R-86-9 CD
> Combos are listed around 3K in
> what appear to be good condition, but a couple of 86's that were
> started at auction from a $1 bid
> went for well in excess  of 2k, so the $3k was a little bit above
> market value but not far off, and
> the 3k ones were probably negotiated down outside Ebay.

I think the combo machines tend to hold more value than vinyl only. I
did see those Rowe's starting at $1, and was kind of glad to see them
go for over 2k. There are still people out there that went them it
seems.

>
> There seems to be no shortage of these machines, as I believe that
> literally hundreds of them were imported
> from the UK by American Amusements in the 1990's and early 2000's.

Thats interesting... Who are American Amusements? Did they bring over
used machines from the UK? And was it specifically only R86 and up?
This would explain why I see so many R90-R93's around and not many
R84/85's.

I think the combo machines tend to hold more value than just vinyl.

>
> This is on top of the significant number that would have been sold new
> through the authorised distributor here.
>

> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ROWE-AMI-R89-JUKEBOX-/280842147713?pt=AU_C...

>
> The others like the $3,300+  R-89 that has been listed over and over
> for several years and never sells
> are obviously excessively priced. Very hard to know a value on these
> things as you never see them for sale,
> probably because not many were imported to Aus at the time ?

I'd imagine that it would be close in value to the 200 selection R90.
Even if it's harder to come across than the R90~ series, they still
aren't particularly collectable like silver age machines.

>
> All I can tell you was that when they were first sold new here in
> 1985-6, United Coin (Qld Rowe distributor at the time)
> wanted $5k for one, and $5k for the video player option. Fantastic
> sounding and looking machine though at the time.
> Always wanted to own one, and eventually did, and still have it
> somewhere.
>

> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AMI-National-G80-Jukebox-Multi-Horn-Hi-Fi-...

> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-BIGGLES-FLIES-AGAIN-Capt-WE-Johns-...

That guy also has a Wurlitzer OMT CD for 7k... Still seems a bit
expensive but a little more reasonable I think than his G80. I have
yet to see any National AMI jukes in good condition. Seems like we ran
them into the ground here. My Australian Continental was in very rough
shape when I got it.

[kreed]

On Mar 13, 12:43 am, daniel7y <dani...@y7mail.com> wrote:
> >http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/200719671367?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trk...
> > Did you see the $30K Wurlitzer Teledisc ?
>
> > (I have not got a clue what this would really be worth but 30k seems
> > insane to me).
>
> Yeah I saw that... That is an outrageous price. I don't really know
> what it would be worth but I don't understand it's appeal, other than
> the fact that it's rare I guess.
>

looking round on the net, it was a home model from about 1983, and
had an IR remote control. I still cant see a great value in it.
Maybe
someone else on this forum who know more about this machine can
give us some idea of its value ?

>
>
> > In some cases the prices can be realistic, usually ROWE R-86-9 CD
> > Combos are listed around 3K in
> > what appear to be good condition, but a couple of 86's that were
> > started at auction from a $1 bid
> > went for well in excess  of 2k, so the $3k was a little bit above
> > market value but not far off, and
> > the 3k ones were probably negotiated down outside Ebay.
>
> I think the combo machines tend to hold more value than vinyl only. I
> did see those Rowe's starting at $1, and was kind of glad to see them
> go for over 2k. There are still people out there that went them it
> seems.
>
>
>
> > There seems to be no shortage of these machines, as I believe that
> > literally hundreds of them were imported
> > from the UK by American Amusements in the 1990's and early 2000's.
>
> Thats interesting... Who are American Amusements? Did they bring over
> used machines from the UK? And was it specifically only R86 and up?

From what I remember, they mostly brought in LOTS of CD Combo machines
and LOTS of CD 100's.
Also Diamante and later models but not as many as the CD100 (the first
CD juke).
You can tell their machines, as they were mostly 200 selection models
with a 240v sony 10cd stacker
(most of the authorised distributor's ones were 160 selection and had
a 6 CD Pioneer stacker fitted with
a 120v US plug)

I think by that stage, the R89 and earlier record only models were not
in any demand by operators and weren't
imported. These also could not be converted to CD combo without the
enormous task of replacing the central control computer,
hacking a digital display and keyboard interface to suit this CCC
(totally different methods of doing this in both models), and
finally, it probably was not possible to raise the Record changer high
enough to mount the CD player underneath, as the gripper
arm would likely hit the back of the title rack as it moved if you
tried it R-84 and 85 have the additional problem of the record
changer
sitting down in a recess, so if you put the CD player there, it would
be walled in, and you likely couldnt eject the CD
cartridge from the front.

AFAIK pretty much all of them came in from the UK.

American Amusement were in Sydney but are no longer in business, and
the owner
passed away last year, but were very active in the used juke market
from the early-mid 1990s
up to about 2004 or so.

> This would explain why I see so many R90-R93's around and not many
> R84/85's.
>
> I think the combo machines tend to hold more value than just vinyl.
>

At least you can play your CD's in it, and even burn them if you are
going to use it at home. You are very limited as to choice of music
with vinyl
you have to go out and find or buy the 45 from somewhere.

>
>
> > This is on top of the significant number that would have been sold new
> > through the authorised distributor here.
>
> >http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ROWE-AMI-R89-JUKEBOX-/280842147713?pt=AU_C...
>
> > The others like the $3,300+  R-89 that has been listed over and over
> > for several years and never sells
> > are obviously excessively priced. Very hard to know a value on these
> > things as you never see them for sale,
> > probably because not many were imported to Aus at the time ?
>
> I'd imagine that it would be close in value to the 200 selection R90.
> Even if it's harder to come across than the R90~ series, they still
> aren't particularly collectable like silver age machines.
>

I would tend to agree, he would likely get around to the 2k mark,
probably less.

Have not seen one of these sold with a low starting bid, and allowed
to finish
that is about the only way you can tell in this market.

There were guys on the Sunshine Coast and Gold coast that did
excellent restorations
on models AFTER the G-200 as well as most models up to the JAL/JEL.
This was up until about 2003-4 or so
when as far as I know they stopped due to the difficulty in getting
sales for them at the price that
made it worthwhile to do the work. Models before and after these
(including G's) were not restored to any great extent as
they had much less market value, yet cost the same amount in time and
labour to strip, overhaul and reassemble. These
would be tidied up, electrically and mechanically overhauled and sold
as working.

I would estimate near 100 were done, some were AUS, but many were also
USA models (were 120v mains).


Now of course, these restorations are getting to 10-20 years old, and
they may not still be in anywhere near the condition that they were
when restored.

[joycer...@gmail.com]

Retro vintage Rowe Ami R-80 jukebox stereo 200 selection 7"singles vinyl Dj 80s

[J.B. Wood]

On 10/31/2018 06:24 AM, joycer...@gmail.com wrote:
> Retro vintage Rowe Ami R-80 jukebox stereo 200 selection 7"singles vinyl Dj 80s
>

Arrrgggh....another 1970s era box where the customer couldn't see the
inner workings. Could hold a lot (compared to machines of previous
decades) of records, though. Functional but lacking the elegance of the
late '40s through '60s era machines IMHO. I don't see a huge collector
value in your box make/model. It's a coin-operated record player for
sure but where's the accompanying eye-candy (the stuff that enticed
earlier generations to drop some coins for reasons other than just to
have music on demand)? <sigh> Perhaps by the 1970s the novelty had worn off.

Why not have your box professionally appraised? I would be a potential
bidder/buyer if the record carousel and turntable were at least on
partial view, but that would require a box mod. Sincerely,

--
J. B. Wood e-mail: arl_1...@hotmail.com

[J.B. Wood]

On 10/31/2018 01:10 PM, J.B. Wood wrote:

> Arrrgggh....another 1970s era box where the customer couldn't see the
> inner workings.

Hello, and I've got my foot in mouth. I've got your model confused with
some similar ones. Your model should have a viewing window in the
center. So AMI/Rowe must've thought some folks still wanted to see the
works. Not really a bad looking box, either. Eating my previous words.