Help! Good price for Seeburg 100C ?
m...@kluge.net
for her Seeburg juke box: $600 in home repair services, + the guy will
come and get the juke box out of her basement (located in SE Mass. USA)
and take it to his home. Is this a good deal?
The good thing: it's a known "buyer," who'll take it now, as opposed
to it sitting for another many years in her basement waiting for
another buyer... And the guy will move it, too. It gets it out of the
cluttered house.
The bad thing: we don't know the actual worth on it... Skimming
through archived newsgroup postings, and looking at some units on eBay,
based on the condition of her unit, I think it's fair deal, but I want
to get a gut-check from some people who are in-the-know.
The juke box is a Seeburg. The plate on the back says it's a Model
100C, Serial # 22185. The top cover says "Seeburg 100 Select-O-Matic".
It holds 50 45rpm records, so a total of 100 songs (1 on each side).
She thinks it's a 1957, but she says she could be off a year or two.
It has a plate on it saying that "nickels will be returned." It takes
quarters. Originally it would play 3 songs for a quarter, but it
decided on its own to switch to 2 songs for a quarter...
My mother says that the juke box shown during the opening of the TV
show "Happy Days" looks like her juke box, but whenever they'd show the
juke box in the diner in the show, it was a different model...
The last record changeout was done around 1972. I've taken one of the
records for my own music collection, but the remaining 49 records are
still in there, and their dust jackets are stored inside...
It is known to need a 5 Amp fuse.
It had a cover over the mechanism, but that is currently AWOL (hiding
somewhere else in the basement...)
It powers on, some bulbs/buttons light up but others do not (like
"select"). The turntable rotates (it probably thinks it is in the
middle of playing a record), but the mechanism which goes side to side
to pick up the records is not moving.
The juke box, since it has been sitting unused in the basement so long,
has enough dirt/dust on it that "you could plant potatoes on it" (as my
mother puts it).
The known history on the unit: In 1969 my father was holding a New
Year's Eve party at a hall, but he couldn't get a live band, so he
bought this juke box second-hand for $75. 3 songs for a quarter. He
and some friends rigged it to return the quarter to you, so it would
essentially play for free (perpetually use the same quarter), and it is
still set up this way.
After the party it lived for a few years on a screened porch. My
mother thinks that the temperature it was subjected to caused
"inflation" as the juke box changed on its own from 3 plays/quarter to
2 plays/quarter.
Around 1980 (give or take a few years), my parents built onto the
house, and created a basement, where the juke box was moved to, and
still resides...
I know that as a kid in the '80s I used to play the juke box often, it
was fun. But I don't think it's been in working order since the
'90s...
Please let me know over the weekend (May 13-15, 2005), if at all
possible, if the $600+handling for the Seeburg jukebox is a good deal.
Keith Stelter
mother or not.
Seeburg 100C jukes are fairly desirable. Being that it lived for several
years on a screened in porch it might have some significant cabinet damage
that would make the $600.00 amount a fair price. If the cabinet is nice it's
probably too low of a price.
The mechanism, amplifier, and other mechanical parts are easy to fix. It's
the cabinet that is the hard part to restore.
I have purchased several Seeburg 100C's in the last few years. I gave
$500.00 for one that was really rough. Basically the cabinet fell apart as I
moved it. The others I gave over $1,000.00 for (each).
Can you email me some pics?
I would guess that you can probably get some good advice from someone local
to you. Maybe someone from this newsgroup will but it for more than the
$600.00 and then your mom will end up with some extra cash after paying for
the repair. Or they might tell you that she should take the guy's offer.
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services to be. He could be honest and do quality work worth the money... or
he might consider moving the jukebox out of the basement to be his $600
worth of work. Does your mother know him and his reputation? If not, I'd be
weary...
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> I'm looking for some advice for my mother. She's been offered a trade
m...@kluge.net
bathroom redo. He's already re-doing an entire room for my mother, and
he's been OK so far. A new project has come up, and the guy asked if
she would part with the jukebox he saw buried in the basement for the
cost of his labor for the new project (he would pick it up himself).
She asked how much the labor would be otherwise, and he figured it was
a $600 job.
Keith Stelter
some pictures of it!
It might be a $1,500.00 jukebox.
Wouldn't it be worth shooting a few digital pictures and sending them to me
or someone else here on the group if it means more money for your mom?
You said yourself that it's been sitting there for years.
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six for a quarter. This machine is from the very early 50s (1952?).
Tough to put a price on it since just paying someone to move it can cost a
couple hundred dollars. If the cartridge has been upgraded to play stereo
records without chewing them up, it's worth a couple of hundred more than if
it has the original mono redhead cartridge.
Yes, this machine is shown in the opening credits of Happy Days. The
machine at Arnold's drive-in is a couple of years newer (100G).
Ken D.
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Ken Doyle wrote:
> When the machine was new the pricing was one for a nickel, two for a
dime,
> six for a quarter. This machine is from the very early 50s (1952?).
> Tough to put a price on it since just paying someone to move it can
cost a
> couple hundred dollars. If the cartridge has been upgraded to play
stereo
> records without chewing them up, it's worth a couple of hundred more
than if
> it has the original mono redhead cartridge.
> Yes, this machine is shown in the opening credits of Happy Days. The
> machine at Arnold's drive-in is a couple of years newer (100G).
>
A couple of years newer??? I'm pretty sure the "G" came out the next
year (after the "C"), along with the "W"......both were 1953 models;
and the "C" (as you said) was a 1952 model. I hope this helps. Rob
m...@kluge.net
the good thoughts! We'll probably let the guy know on Monday our
decision.
Here's what she has to say:
"The cabinet is only dirty and probably a bulb burned out, otherwise,
no
broken, damp or damaged places that I can see. When it was on the
screen
porch, it wasn't there for too long and you'd never know it ever was on
a
screened porch. It also was carefully covered at that time. I'll go
downstairs again in the morning and double check it's condition but I
think that it's only mega-dirty. As for pics, I don't have a digital
camera."
I do have a digital camera, but it's packed somewhere (I just moved)...
I'll try and find it and drive down to see her and get some photos of
it today or tomorrow. At least my mother has shooed away all the
surrounding spiders/spiderwebs around the jukebox for now! :)
My mother is in a major cleaning/upkeep phase right now. My father had
trouble throwing anything away...
Bruce Mercer
<m...@kluge.net> wrote in message
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> My father had
> trouble throwing anything away...
Nobody here has THAT problem. ;-0
600.00 sounds very cheap......
Bruce
John Stone
Mercer" <maxb...@SpAmNOsigecom.net> wrote:
The OP mentioned a missing mechanism cover. This can have a substantial
impact on the value and should be found if possible.
Ken Scharf
> machine at Arnold's drive-in is a couple of years newer (100G).
I would think that the tie in with the tv show would make that model
worth a LOT more, even in fixer-upper shape. Just like the Waltons TV
show made a certain model Zenith radio very pricey!
mike
be in similar condition as yours. My guess is it will close between
$800-1200+
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=13721&item=6179153772&rd=1
Ebay values can be a bit skewed but it is a great way to guage public
interest
Good luck!
Mike
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m...@kluge.net
http://homepage.mac.com/tvandinter/PhotoAlbum3.html
If you need a higher resolution version of any of the photos (I think
the originals are 1600x1200), I can send them to you.
Nearly all of the mechanism covers are not screwed on, and may have
been removed for some of the photos. (They are being stored in the
cabinet, with a glass jar filled with little screws, along with some of
the records and their dust jackets.) One of the blue mechanism covers
is currently missing somewhere (it was thought to be in a storage room,
but that room has just been cleaned and it wasn't found there, so
unknown where/when/if it'll be found...), but all of the yellow covers
appear to be there (everything matches and looks like it has a home to
go to). We thought that the Lubrication Chart label on the back of the
large yellow cover of the back of the mechanism looked pretty neat and
helpful...
The cabinet feels pretty sturdy, and doesn't show any weathering or
rot. There is some flaking on the rear near a locked panel opening,
though, looks like someone used a tool to "help" open a panel door.
The wheels still move pretty freely, despite the amount of dust that is
in the basement...
We did turn the unit on for the photos. The light along the right side
of the base came on, but the one on the left did not. There was a hum,
and a bit of a crackle when we touched the needle. The turntable was
spinning away, but the mechanism wasn't moving. Most of the gearing
looks good, but there are some exposed/severed wires behind the
mechanism that I don't know where they go to/come from. After a few
minutes of the jukebox on and taking photos, some smoke started coming
out of the unit somewhere (we didn't find the source), so we unplugged
it and gave my mother instructions to not plug it in again.
The power cord is quite long (I'm guessing 10'), is 2-prong. I didn't
check it throroghly, but there is black electrical tape wrapped around
the cord in a few places.
Our current thought is to either keep it and wait for a better price
from someone, or to find out what is a good price and see if the
handyman will match it. What price should we expect for this Seeburg
M100C, and would that include moving it out of her basement? She's
located in Mass., USA, on the southeast coast.
BTW: could someone explain how the Popularity Meter worked? was this
something the owner set manually, or did the jukebox keep a score of
how often a record was played so the owner knew what disks should be
changed out?
Keith Stelter
it smoked, I would say that if the guy will give you $600.00 in credit for
it and move it out himself you should take his offer.
I should have told you to NOT plug it in, because chances are that you fried
the power transformer, which is an expensive part.
I would offer you between $750.00 and $1,000.00 for the juke if I was local
to you, but I would spend $500.00 or more getting a moving company to get it
out of the basement and ship it to me.
If it was restored it would be work about $3,000.00, but it will require
probably $800.00 worth of parts and a TON of labor to restore it.
Good luck with it!
Keith
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On 5/15/05 7:00 AM, in article 42873aad$1...@spool9-west.superfeed.net,
"Keith Stelter" <ste...@qtm.net> wrote:
> Based on what I see in the pictures and the fact that you plugged it in and
> it smoked, I would say that if the guy will give you $600.00 in credit for
> it and move it out himself you should take his offer.
> I should have told you to NOT plug it in, because chances are that you fried
> the power transformer, which is an expensive part.
It may not be that bad. Lots of things can smoke in those Seeburgs (like a
bad florescent ballast)and the power transformers tend to be pretty robust.
But getting back to the box. It is VERY rough. I still don't see the mech
cover and would like to know if it is there. The whole thing is covered in
cigarette tar and there's considerable corrosion too. Also, the cartridge is
an old blackhead which will have to be replaced.
> I would offer you between $750.00 and $1,000.00 for the juke if I was local
> to you, but I would spend $500.00 or more getting a moving company to get it
> out of the basement and ship it to me.
I personally think $600 is more than fair.
> If it was restored it would be work about $3,000.00, but it will require
> probably $800.00 worth of parts and a TON of labor to restore it.
Yup. It needs more than most, hence the low value-especially without
pictures of the insides.
mike
>BTW: could someone explain how the Popularity Meter worked? was this
>something the owner set manually, or did the jukebox keep a score of
>how often a record was played so the owner knew what disks should be
>changed out?
The latter. It kept a running total of how often each selection was
played.
HTH,
Mike
Ken Doyle
good, it would grind stereo records into dust.
Ken D.
m...@kluge.net
John Stone wrote:
> It may not be that bad. Lots of things can smoke in those Seeburgs
(like a
> bad florescent ballast)and the power transformers tend to be pretty
robust.
> But getting back to the box. It is VERY rough. I still don't see the
mech
> cover and would like to know if it is there. The whole thing is
covered in
> cigarette tar and there's considerable corrosion too. Also, the
cartridge is
> an old blackhead which will have to be replaced.
> Yup. It needs more than most, hence the low value-especially without
> pictures of the insides.
What should I open and how, and could you describe what you're looking
for? I suppose I could make another trip down to my mother's for more
photos... (it's over an hour drive one way, so I would want to get
everything in one go.)
J.C.
the smoke you saw was coming from something other than a transformer.I
paid $865 for this C on ebay.Compare to yours and you'll see what I
mean:http://www.geocities.com/wurlyman2150/MySebrgCbefore.html
Note the missing grill tubes,no animation with metal pilasters,missing
clear stripper plate(the clear part with 2 brushes by your tonearm.Also
mine had one of the yellow covers broken,no diffuser behind the
titleboard.Also mine had the main blue mech cover missing.I paid over
$125 for a nice original cover(still needed repainting)If you find that
blue cover that will help a lot.The main problem is not a lot of people
are fond of moving jukeboxes out of basements.Stairs and heavy items
don't go too good together.That might detract from what you will get
for it.One thing you have that is totally unusable is the blackhead
cartridge unless someone wants to play only original mono 45s.It will
grind stereo 45s to dust.Mine came with the redhead which you can get
compatible needles for but I converted to a 345-03 Pickering(expensive
but sounds real nice)Some people use later model tonearms with stereo
cartridges.At least I can sell the redhead.Try to find someone to buy
the blackhead.(they got to be a real originality wacko and love to
replace records often)
As to the popularity meter it is at the top of the mech under a cover
that swings down.There's a disk for each of the 50 records regardless
of which side is selected.A popularity solenoid moves the wheel each
time the record is played.Keeps track of the records played.
Ken G.
Anyone with much sence would take that juke apart as for removing the
entire back door with chassis and slide the mech out and take it
upstairs in pieces .
I bought a real nice all original but dirty Wurlitzer 1250 .. it was in
a basement with long narrow stairs .
I took out everything that unplugged & slid out took all that outside
then 2 guys carried up the stairs the almost empty cabinet .
I have a hard time believing one guy can hand truck or even slide a 350
to 400 pound jukebox up a long set of stairs unless he is a WWF wrestler