Connecting a Wall Box to a Seeburg 161???

[Tec-9]

Hey all-
I was wondering if it is possible to connect a wallbox to a
Seeburg 161?? If so, do I need to find a particular model wallbox, or
one that just plays 160 selections to match the jukebox?
-Mark

[John Robertson]

Your jukebox needs a Stepper that works. Then you find a Seeburg wallbox
that is 160 or more selections that is also working...

The manuals for both will explain how to set them up to work together.
If you need manuals then contact folks like victoryglass.com or others
(we have them in Canada for example) as long as you know the model
numbers of the wallbox.

Info for what wallbox will work with the stepper is on several sites,
but can't think of them offhand - do a search!

John :-#)#

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[Alan Hood]

John Robertson;689335 Wrote:
> Tec-9 wrote:[color=blue][i]
>

Hi John,

You need to check Ebay and other outlets for a 1961 Seeburg Consolette
wall box and of course a stepper if one is not already fitted in your
1958 jukebox.

Regards
Alan Hood
ami-man
UK




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Alan Hood

[Pinballnut]

Not sure if the consolette is the way to go, I think those might be
wired differently inside. Certainly not the wb that came out at the
time the 161 came out. I have a 161 and was lucky enought to have one
with a stepper in it. Open the back door and look on the selection
receiver, that is where it would be. Then you need a 160 select (or
more like stated above) to hook up the the stepper-- 3 wires, not
difficult. If you live anyhere near Vacaville, CA, give me a hller.
Brad

[Tec-9]

Thanks for the input guys! I'm new to jukeboxes, but have a good
amount of experience with pins and vids. From what I gathered from you
guys and the group, it sounds like my jukebox needs to have a "stepper
unit" on the selection receiver. Mine does appear to have one, so I'm
guessing that I can hook this up to a wallbox. Is there any way to
test this stepper unit before I find a wallbox? It looks like it is
missing a tube to operate the stepper unit, and I have a empty socket
that looks like it is for wiring on J505.
Thanks!
Mark L

[Pinballnut]

Just looked in the cab of mine. Not sure what the J505 socket is for,
it's empty on my juke and I am set-up with a working wallbox, a 3W
160-- look here to see one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXlaU2U31M
Yep, you need the 2050 tube.
3 wires come from the wallbox and wire in to the stepper onto the
terminal strip towards the bottom of the selec rec. I do not know of a
way to test the stepper. maybe someone else here does. I'd just buy a
wallbox and see if it works. Caution though, I am almost sure the
consolettes won't work with this juke.
I say just buy the wallbox!
Bill mayhave one:
http://www.jukebox-parts.com/

Brad, Vacaville, CA

[Rob in NYC]

The correct wallboxes for this are: S-3W160 (simple, non-accumulating
credit unit) or D-3W160 (dual pricing unit).

The easiest to work on is the single pricing one -S-3W160.

You can also use the 200 selection boxes with the "9" and "0" pages
remaining empty.

Hook up is simple- three wires:

Orange=Chassis ground
Green= 25VAC
Blue= Signal.

---Do NOT buy a consolette, these use a totally different pulse train
and will not select the correct records. It is possible to modify the
machine's stepper and add speaker control to use consolettes, I did
this for a 222 commercial installation, but that is beyond what you
are asking here.

The stepper itself should be cleaned and among other things, the
large 5 MFD capacitor should be replaced. For this I use five, 1 mfd
mylar capacitors rated at 200 volts or more. There are a number of
relays and their contacts that must be cleaned and the stepper wheels
must turn freely.

You will need a 2050 tube.


I use these systems in commercial operation and do a number of
modifications to improve reliability, for home use a relatively simple
overhaul should be adequate.

Rob/NYC

[Tec-9]

Wow, thanks for the input guys, I really appreciate it!! I am going
to try and find a nice wallbox and take it from there! I will update
this post as I acquire the parts to make this happen. Thanks again for
info! I'm hoping the stepper in my machine is working, I'm sure I'll
find out once I find a wallbox! This should be a fun project!
-Mark

[John Robertson]

Pinballnut wrote:
> Just looked in the cab of mine. Not sure what the J505 socket is for,
> it's empty on my juke and I am set-up with a working wallbox, a 3W
> 160-- look here to see one:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXlaU2U31M
> Yep, you need the 2050 tube.
> 3 wires come from the wallbox and wire in to the stepper onto the
> terminal strip towards the bottom of the selec rec. I do not know of a
> way to test the stepper. maybe someone else here does. I'd just buy a
> wallbox and see if it works. Caution though, I am almost sure the
> consolettes won't work with this juke.
> I say just buy the wallbox!
> Bill mayhave one:
> http://www.jukebox-parts.com/
>
> Brad, Vacaville, CA

The socket is for a booster transformer - if you have more than 5 or 6
wallboxes attached to the machine.

As for 'testing' the stepper a simple test is to simply attach a wire to
the Signal terminal of the three pin plug to the wallbox, and tap it
rapidly to the metal chassis. The stepper should click a bunch of times
and write in a random selection - and then the mech should scan and play
a single record.

If you want you can watch the stepper units as you click the wire to the
chassis - if you first click rapidly a couple of times, then pause about
1/2 second then click rapidly again a few times and then stop you should
see one stepup unit increment a few steps, the transfer relay change
state and switch to the next stepup unit which then pulses, then the
click as the write-in happens.

John :-#)#

>
> On Nov 3, 3:24 pm, Tec-9 <pacmanfan1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the input guys! I'm new to jukeboxes, but have a good
>> amount of experience with pins and vids. From what I gathered from you
>> guys and the group, it sounds like my jukebox needs to have a "stepper
>> unit" on the selection receiver. Mine does appear to have one, so I'm
>> guessing that I can hook this up to a wallbox. Is there any way to
>> test this stepper unit before I find a wallbox? It looks like it is
>> missing a tube to operate the stepper unit, and I have a empty socket
>> that looks like it is for wiring on J505.
>> Thanks!
>> Mark L
>

[Pinballnut]

John-- my 161 works great with the wallbox, but when selecting from
the juke the mech moves a bit each time I make a selection, but
doesn't go search, unitl I select about 6 times, then it will finally
work. If I use the service button/lever, since it starts to move when
you hit the lever over it's already searching and picks up fine. It's
like a switch is not adjusted properly. Any ideas?
thanks, Brad

[John Robertson]

Pinballnut wrote:
> John-- my 161 works great with the wallbox, but when selecting from
> the juke the mech moves a bit each time I make a selection, but
> doesn't go search, unitl I select about 6 times, then it will finally
> work. If I use the service button/lever, since it starts to move when
> you hit the lever over it's already searching and picks up fine. It's
> like a switch is not adjusted properly. Any ideas?
> thanks, Brad

Hi Brad,

This is usually a problem in the credit unit, one of the wiper contacts
is not making enough of a connection to trip the scan solenoid.
Schematics and the manual will show you which blade pair to clean to fix
this. I suggest you have someone operate the keyboard while you watch
the credit unit to determine which group of blades are activated.

Otherwise this sounds like the scan solenoid is gummed up. This is
inside the control unit. You likely need to take the two solenoids off
and wash out their plungers and the solenoid inner tube the plunger runs in.

Machine is unplugged for all of this - the scan solenoid assembly
switches the 115V power to the jukebox turntable motor, etc.

John :-#)#

[Tec-9]

Just a quick update on this....
I bought and installed a 2050 tube in my 161. I then performed the
test that John Robertson suggested about testing the stepper unit.
When I tapped the signal wire to ground, the machine did play random
selections. So it seems my stepper does have some life in it. It did
however stick twice and I had to tap the cover of the stepper mech to
get it to operate. Tonight I am going to remove the cover and see what
is binding/sticking. I also ordered a 5uf capacitor for the stepper
unit. I do have one quick question....and I really just want to double
check this- Can I use a 200 selection wallbox with my jukebox, even
though it is only a 160?

Thanks!
Mark