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Autograph Pros

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Jan 30, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/30/00
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Wanna know what the most valuable autograph in existence is in the world?
What is your guess? What do you think the value would be? Well, the answer
is William Shakespeare and the estimated value if one were to be sold today
would be in area of $5 million+! Only 6 authenticated examples in the world
exist, and all are held in institutions and although his work is enjoyed
world wide, no original manuscript has ever surfaced. Ok London collectors,
time to scavenge your basements, you just never know, Romeo and Juliet may
be waiting with your $5 million. This information courtesy in part by
Autograph News. It brings to mind a question I would like to pose to the
group. What is your most valuable autograph? My answer is my Fender
Stratocaster signed by all the members of the Rolling Stones and includes
the photos of thems signing. Estimated value is $2,000-$5,000, however you
can find them for much cheaper if you look, but the amount of fakes for
these guys is scary, so buyer beware. I don't think I can put a price on my
guitar at this time, the autographs are the best I have ever seen on a
guitar period. It is a black guitar signed in silver, and the autographs
are spaced in a manner that only a perfectionist like myself would enjoy.
Well, that's it for now, my web site is still moving slowly, however I will
try to get something worth looking at soon. Maybe even a scan of the guitar
:o)

Michael Kasmar
Autograph Pros
www.autographpros.com

SM...@webtv.net

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Feb 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/1/00
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I've been under the impression that the most valuable autograph was of
one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence (I'm sorry I can't
recall his name) but apparently he died in battle less than a year after
signing the original document and very few examples of his autograph are
known to exist. This information came from Autograph Collector Magazine.

SM


Dave Routh

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Feb 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/2/00
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I would say its the one you always wanted and made you the happyst to
finally get

Dave Routh


KSS71

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Feb 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/2/00
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From a financial viewpoint, Shakespeare would probably be the most valuable
autograph that could theoretically show up on the market. There are standing
offers exceding $1 million for legit examples. Alas, there are no known legit
examples in private hands. However, you can see 2 or 3 of the 5 or 6 known
examples at the British Museum in London.

Among Americans, Button Gwinnett is generally considered to be the most
expensive. He was known primarily for signing the Declaration of Independence,
but died very shortly thereafter. Of the 56 signers, he is by far the most
difficult and sells for $100,000 and up for a mere cut sig.

The second rarest would be William Henry Harrison - as President. He caught
pneumonia during his incredibly long inaugural speech and died only 31 days
later.

KS

AKinnes

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Feb 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/2/00
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Though Gwinnett is extremely valuable and listed at the top of the Sanders 100
most valuable (for those with listed values in the guide)...equally as rare &
expensive as the Shakespear autograph would be that of Hannah Van Buren wife of
Pres Van Buren with no examples known to exist of either her signature or pen
to paper in any form. Serious collectors attempting to complete a President &
First Lady collection also have standing offers over 7 figures for an authentic
autograph.
Scott Kinnes
"The Memorabilia Show"
Member UACC, The Manuscript Society & Th4e IADA
(References available upon request)

Charles Smith

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Feb 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/3/00
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I think there are a few known examples of Joan of Arc from her trial.
Her sig would probably go for over 1 million. Speaking of First Ladies
since Mrs van Buren as not married to the president whe he became
president does his mean one could define Jane Wyman as a First Lady too?

Charles E. Smith


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Feb 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/4/00
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Are you kidding?
Joan of Arc couldn't write as she was uneducated.
She probably signed some documents, but with only a cross-sign.

Would it be a legit autograph?

Leon

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Liz & Sand

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Feb 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/4/00
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Easy for the eBay crooks to forge LOL

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Richard

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Feb 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/4/00
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The ebay crooks can forge a Babe Ruth or President Clinton as easy as Joan of
Arc, and they can get away with it too,,, just get online and post it.

langdo...@hotmail.com

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Feb 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/6/00
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:24:31 -0500 (EST), tf...@webtv.net (Robert
Sherry) wrote:

>Even though it doesn't match Shakespeare's signature in value, I'll add
>Moses Fleetwood Walker as one of the rarest and most historical
>signatures from the sports (Baseball) world. He, not Jackie Robinson,
>was the first ever African-American to play major league baseball
>(1884). By the way, his brother (Welday) was second. I have only ever
>seen 2 examples, both of which were courtesy of Kevin Keating and Mike
>Kolleth's "The Negro Leagues Autograph Guide."
>
>Deceased Negro Leaguers, even if it is just from 15-20 years ago can
>prove to be a good challenge to find. Any of these that are deceased
>from pre 1970 are usually very tough to find, while pre 1960 deceased
>players' signatures are very rare and usually never offered for sale.
>When they are, thy bring some big money. Some that come to mind who's
>signature has yet to surface are some of the games all-time greats like
>"Biz" Mackey, Sol White, "Cannonball" Redding, etc.
>
>Robert
>
a question for you....is the josh gibson auto for sale on e-bay legit?

Robert Sherry

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Feb 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/6/00
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<< a question for you....is the josh gibson auto for sale on e-bay
legit? >>

I checked and saw one done in pencil. I wouldn't bid on it. First off
because it's a pencil signature and more importantly there a few
characters in the signature that I don't like. I would say well over 90%
over the Gibson's floating around are not good. He was about 36 when he
died in 1947 (from an aneurysm I believe) and was right behind Paige in
popularity so his signature is very popular amongst forgers. Even with
this, hardly any signatures survived. Once in a while you will see a
signed ball come up in a major auction and I do know someone who once
owned a signed 1932 contract, but his signature is definitely considered
scarce and should be purchased with caution, especially online.

Robert


langdo...@hotmail.com

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Feb 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/7/00
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Thank you so much for your time. I withdrew my bid after finding out
this information and some more from a web sight about forgeries.
If anyone knows of a genuine Josh Gibson let me know. I should have
known better when no one else bid with me, and the same seller had a
Christy Mathewson. Thanks again!

Robert Sherry

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Feb 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM2/7/00
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<< Thank you so much for your time. I withdrew my bid after finding out
this information and some more from a web sight about forgeries. If
anyone knows of a genuine Josh Gibson let me know. I should have known
better when no one else bid with me, and the same seller had a Christy
Mathewson. Thanks again! >>

Your welcome. Like I said, I see them surface in some big auctions. You
might want to check "http://mastrofsa.com" as they are having another
big auction in the spring and sometimes have a Gibson. Last Gibson I saw
was on a team sheet with Oscar Charleston and the basically nonexistant
Joe Williams, plus others. It sold for over $55,000. Expect to pay
probably in the $2,000 area or so for him and stay away from any priced
under $1,000.

Robert


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