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Keith Nguyen

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Jan 10, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/10/97
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DataLogic Inc. is a consulting firm specializing in on/off-site contract
programming and technical placement. On behalf of our client in the North
Dallas, TX area, we are URGENTLY looking for experienced consultants for the
following positions:

1. COBOL/IMS (2-3 positions)
2. COBOL/CICS (2-3 positions)
3. COBOL/MVS/JCL (2-3 positions)

These are also available as full-time permanent positions. The annual salary
is from $45K to $62K.

All interested candidates should send via e-mail or fax your resumes in
confidence to:

Keith Nguyen
DataLogic Inc.
dlo...@ix.netcom.com
(713) 784-7477 (Fax)

Peter Clark

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Jan 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/11/97
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In article <5b4kq0$7...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> dlo...@ix.netcom.com (Keith Nguyen) writes:
>From: dlo...@ix.netcom.com (Keith Nguyen)
>Subject: US-TX-Dallas COBOL Opportunities
>Date: 10 Jan 1997 05:41:20 GMT

>DataLogic Inc. is a consulting firm specializing in on/off-site contract
>programming and technical placement. On behalf of our client in the North
>Dallas, TX area, we are URGENTLY looking for experienced consultants for the
>following positions:

> 1. COBOL/IMS (2-3 positions)
> 2. COBOL/CICS (2-3 positions)
> 3. COBOL/MVS/JCL (2-3 positions)

>These are also available as full-time permanent positions. The annual salary
>is from $45K to $62K.

You want experienced consultants for 45k in Dallas? Dallas, Texas? Sheesh!
Good luck! Junior programmers are getting close to that on this little island
of 130,000 people whose primary economy is agriculture, fishing and
unemployment insurance.

Arthur M. Kent

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Jan 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/11/97
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In article <ptrclark.2...@cycor.ca>, ptrc...@cycor.ca (Peter
Clark) wrote:

Peter Clark makes an excellent point! I am amazed how narrow minded both
companies and consulting firms are in terms of salaries and/or hourly
rates for COBOL programmers, especially for experienced ones. Any Year
2000 project requires experienced people, and until the rates become
"acceptable" for experienced people, companies and consulting firms are
not going to receive many responses to recruitment ads, especially from
experienced individuals.

To put it bluntly, wake up and smell the roses! Experienced COBOL
programmers are becoming rarer and rarer, and thus rates and/or salaries
are required to rise to attract good, talented, and experienced people.

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Jan 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/12/97
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i am not sure i agree with you.
i have received calls from sweat shops all over the states.
i guess they figure, that since canada is snow covered,
working in a sweat shop in the far south is ok.

not only are the wages below poverty (ok, slight exaggeration)
but the hours they expect (they want me to go full time instead of
hourly!)

maybe we should boycott working, all together!!!
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xyz

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Jan 17, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/17/97
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I got a call just this afternoon from a "head hunter" asking me to
interview for a job with a 1 hour commute EACH WAY. He asked me what I
wanted as an hourly rate, I said I would consider $40/hour. He said
they were offering $28/hour. I said "You get what you pay for. I am
not interested at that rate."

Kevin Thompson

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Jan 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/18/97
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I'm in Dallas and have consistently paid $50-$60 an hour for
experienced Cobol programmers for the past 5 years. During this time
there have always been slime that have tried to pay people $20-$30 on
a 1099 and have met with some success until the programmer realizes
they are getting screwed.

Recently I've seen some rates rising but I've also seen an increase in
the slime. There's more demand for Cobol programmers and I guess the
slime figures "the warm" south and their idiotic "howdy" postings will
draw people from the north even though it was twenty-something degrees
this morning.

When I've confronted the slime with their ridiculous rates and the
problem of Y2K, the smile leaves their face and they state their
clients aren't willing to pay that amount. Good luck to their clients
but I know these guys are taking at least 50% off the top on a 1099.
I believe most were used car salesmen at one time.

Peter Clark

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Jan 18, 1997, 3:00:00 AM1/18/97
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In article <Akent-11019...@208.196.67.86> Ak...@mail.prostar.com (Arthur M. Kent) writes:
>In article <ptrclark.2...@cycor.ca>, ptrc...@cycor.ca (Peter
>Clark) wrote:
>> In article <5b4kq0$7...@sjx-ixn8.ix.netcom.com> dlo...@ix.netcom.com
>(Keith Nguyen) writes:
>>
>> >DataLogic Inc. is a consulting firm specializing in on/off-site contract
>> >programming and technical placement. On behalf of our client in the North
>> >Dallas, TX area, we are URGENTLY looking for experienced consultants for the
>> >following positions:
>>
>> > 1. COBOL/IMS (2-3 positions)
>> > 2. COBOL/CICS (2-3 positions)
>> > 3. COBOL/MVS/JCL (2-3 positions)
>>
>> >These are also available as full-time permanent positions. The annual
>salary
>> >is from $45K to $62K.
>> = = = = = =

>> You want experienced consultants for 45k in Dallas? Dallas, Texas? Sheesh!
>> Good luck! Junior programmers are getting close to that on this little
>island
>> of 130,000 people whose primary economy is agriculture, fishing and
>> unemployment insurance.
> = = = = = = =

>Peter Clark makes an excellent point! I am amazed how narrow minded both
>companies and consulting firms are in terms of salaries and/or hourly
>rates for COBOL programmers, especially for experienced ones. Any Year
>2000 project requires experienced people, and until the rates become
>"acceptable" for experienced people, companies and consulting firms are
>not going to receive many responses to recruitment ads, especially from
>experienced individuals.

>To put it bluntly, wake up and smell the roses! Experienced COBOL
>programmers are becoming rarer and rarer, and thus rates and/or salaries
>are required to rise to attract good, talented, and experienced people.

To reinforce my above point about salaries for junior programmer I enclose for
your viewing enjoyment the following excerpt from a Canadian jobs NG:

Programmers (attn. M. Whitehouse)
Role: Junior to Intermediate Programmers
Duties: Adaptation of existing generic applications to reflect specific client
requirements within a financial environment. Includes analysis and design.
Mandatory Skills: Cobol, OS2, PB
Term: Permanent
Salary: 45K-55K per year, plus extensive benefits package
Location: Ottawa

See? I wasn't talking out of the side of my mouth. Wake up Dallas!!

Peter

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