I want to learn.
Jacob Tomaw
language. I know how to program in general, but I don't know COBOL. Is
there a good book someone can recommend and a good development kit?
Thanx,
Jacob Tomaw
James J. Gavan
Welcome to the clan Jacob - you will be joining 3 MILLION others who use
COBOL. Suggested list, which should be available at a big-box book store
or you can check Barnes & Noble or amazon.com. You can go for 1 or 2
first, but having both, I'd opt for # 1 :-
1. Thane Hubbell "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 hours" comes with a
starter-kit for Fujitsu COBOL plus Flexus SP2 GUI handler which Thane
L-O-V-E-S - and you can bitch at the SOB on this NewsGroup if you have
problems <G>
2. "COBOL for Dummies" - yet another good Yellow book
3. "COBOL Unleashed" more expensive than the previous two, but very
comprehensive - I'm just off to my local big-box store to see if they
have a copy on the shelves currently, alternatively I'll order. A number
of the authors chat on this NewsGroup.
> "I know how to program in general...." chances are it was one of the 'modern' languages that has object orientation. This is included to round off-off your reading. Don't go buy it now, but having got 'structured COBOL" into your system, go check objectz.com for Wilson Price's book - excellent text. Even if you don't use OO - it will
make you aware of OO from a COBOL perspective. (Will's book also has a
compiler so you can test OO stuff).
That should get you on your way.
Jimmy, Calgary AB
Thane Hubbell
wrote:
>
>1. Thane Hubbell "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 hours" comes with a
>starter-kit for Fujitsu COBOL plus Flexus SP2 GUI handler which Thane
>L-O-V-E-S - and you can bitch at the SOB on this NewsGroup if you have
>problems <G>
>
I've trained you well. <G>.
Invoke "FreeAdvertising" using "Gavan".
Of course, it's polymorphic (is that a word?).
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Thane Hubbell wrote:
>
> On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 19:12:22 GMT, "James J. Gavan" <jjg...@home.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >1. Thane Hubbell "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 hours" comes with a
> >starter-kit for Fujitsu COBOL plus Flexus SP2 GUI handler which Thane
> >L-O-V-E-S - and you can bitch at the SOB on this NewsGroup if you have
> >problems <G>
> >
>
> I've trained you well. <G>.
>
> Invoke "FreeAdvertising" using "Gavan".
>
> Of course, it's polymorphic (is that a word?).
If by polymorphic you mean many things - no way Jose - I aint AC/DC -
je t'aime les femmes - BEAUCOUP <G>.
Now if I was the author of "COBOL in 21 Days" - Richard's comment -
Ooouccchhhh!
Jimmy
COBOLJIT
workd for training COBOL programmers. They usually use the MicroFocus Personal
COBOL Compiler with the book. The third edition of the bok will have an
AcuCOBOL Compiler. TYC21D is usaually available in bookstores. If you can't
find it or want the MicroFocus compiler, contact me.
Helen
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COBOL Training for the Year 2000
"COBOL, Just in Time" Crash Course
"COBOL, Dates and the Year 2000" Technical Reference.
818-951-5240
Bob Wolfe
[snip]
>1. Thane Hubbell "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 hours" comes with a
>starter-kit for Fujitsu COBOL plus Flexus SP2 GUI handler which Thane
>L-O-V-E-S - and you can bitch at the SOB on this NewsGroup if you have
>problems <G>
Jimmy:
I really respect and admire people who have excellent taste in
software products...don't you?
;-)
Bob Wolfe, flexus
Check out The Flexus COBOL Page at http://www.flexus.com
Lewstherin
Java, C, C++, Ada, Basic, Turing, Fortran, Prolog, Delphi, Pascal... shall I
go on?
(Notice I'm not mentioning cobol)
Lewstherin, a humble programmer.
"Twice and Twice shall he be marked
Twice to live and twice to die.
Once the heron worked in C,
And that tis the way is gonna be."
Lewstherin
"James J. Gavan" wrote:
> Welcome to the clan Jacob - you will be joining 3 MILLION others who use
> COBOL. Suggested list, which should be available at a big-box book store
> or you can check Barnes & Noble or amazon.com. You can go for 1 or 2
> first, but having both, I'd opt for # 1 :-
HAHAH!! Yeah right! If there are 3 million Cobol programmers, then there is 500x more C programmers (or any other real language out there).
Cobol isn't even a language.. it's SCRIPT, like HTML and Javascript. It can't handle anything, no pointers, no references, no nothing... any real programmer uses data abtraction, even in procedural programming techniques. I could go on.. but you guys aren't worth my time,.
Lewstherin, a humble programmer.
"Twice and Twice shall he be marked
Twice to live and twice to die.
Once the heron worked in C,
And that tis the way is gonna be."
> 1. Thane Hubbell "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 hours" comes with a
> starter-kit for Fujitsu COBOL plus Flexus SP2 GUI handler which Thane
> L-O-V-E-S - and you can bitch at the SOB on this NewsGroup if you have
> problems <G>
>
Lewstherin
Coding a 1940's mainframe? WIth 16k of RAM? Or a stupid computer project
for a class?
Lewstherin, a humble programmer.
"Twice and Twice shall he be marked
Twice to live and twice to die.
Once the heron worked in C,
And that tis the way is gonna be."
Thane Hubbell wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Oct 1999 19:12:22 GMT, "James J. Gavan" <jjg...@home.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >1. Thane Hubbell "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 hours" comes with a
> >starter-kit for Fujitsu COBOL plus Flexus SP2 GUI handler which Thane
> >L-O-V-E-S - and you can bitch at the SOB on this NewsGroup if you have
> >problems <G>
> >
>
> I've trained you well. <G>.
>
> Invoke "FreeAdvertising" using "Gavan".
>
> Of course, it's polymorphic (is that a word?).
docd...@clark.net
Lewstherin <LewsTh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snippage]
>I could go on.. but you guys aren't worth my time,.
Quite right about that, I'm sure... by all means, find others whom you
think are.
DD
William M. Klein
this idiot.
His knowledge of COBOL is non-existent; is knowledge of the real data
processing world is less; and is approach to NG posting is still less.
--
Bill Klein
wmklein <at> ix dot netcom dot com
Lewstherin <LewsTh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:37FE29FD...@hotmail.com...
> Dudes....
>
> "James J. Gavan" wrote:
>
> > Welcome to the clan Jacob - you will be joining 3 MILLION others who use
> > COBOL. Suggested list, which should be available at a big-box book store
> > or you can check Barnes & Noble or amazon.com. You can go for 1 or 2
> > first, but having both, I'd opt for # 1 :-
>
> HAHAH!! Yeah right! If there are 3 million Cobol programmers, then there is
500x more C programmers (or any other real language out there).
>
> Cobol isn't even a language.. it's SCRIPT, like HTML and Javascript. It
can't handle anything, no pointers, no references, no nothing... any real
programmer uses data abtraction, even in procedural programming techniques. I
could go on.. but you guys aren't worth my time,.
>
> Lewstherin, a humble programmer.
> "Twice and Twice shall he be marked
> Twice to live and twice to die.
> Once the heron worked in C,
> And that tis the way is gonna be."
>
>
> > 1. Thane Hubbell "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 hours" comes with a
> > starter-kit for Fujitsu COBOL plus Flexus SP2 GUI handler which Thane
> > L-O-V-E-S - and you can bitch at the SOB on this NewsGroup if you have
> > problems <G>
> >
Lewstherin
"excellent taste"?! HAHAHAH!
How about this:
MS Visual Studio
3ds max 3
Lightwave 5
Softimage
ASM32
etc..
Lewstherin, a humble programmer.
"Twice and Twice shall he be marked
Twice to live and twice to die.
Once the heron worked in C,
And that tis the way is gonna be."
Bob Wolfe wrote:
> "James J. Gavan" <jjg...@home.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >1. Thane Hubbell "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 hours" comes with a
> >starter-kit for Fujitsu COBOL plus Flexus SP2 GUI handler which Thane
> >L-O-V-E-S - and you can bitch at the SOB on this NewsGroup if you have
> >problems <G>
>
Richard Plinston
: HAHAH!! Yeah right! If there are 3 million Cobol programmers, then there is 500x more C programmers (or any other real language out there).
And the _evidence_ for this is ? Oh I know all the kids you went to
school with thought C was really neat.
Actually there are more Cobol programmers than any other single
language. However, that does not mean that they only program
Cobol. They may, for example, also be counted as C, Delphi,
Java, or many others. Most _sensible_ programmers learn
several languages and use those that are most suitable for the
task in hand.
: Cobol isn't even a language.. it's SCRIPT, like HTML and Javascript.
: It can't handle anything, no pointers, no references, no nothing...
That must be why so many corporations rely on Cobol for their
mission critical work.
: any real programmer uses data abtraction, even in procedural programming techniques. I could go on.. but you guys aren't worth my time,.
Any real programmer knows that all languages have their strengths and
weaknesses and thus are more suitable for some tasks than for
others. But do go on, I am sure that you will have plenty of time
as you ask people whether they want fries with that.
--
James J. Gavan
Richard Plinston wrote:
>
> In comp.lang.cobol Lewstherin <LewsTh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> : any real programmer uses data abtraction, even in procedural programming techniques. I could go on.. but you guys aren't worth my time,.
>
> others. But do go on, I am sure that you will have plenty of time
> as you ask people whether they want fries with that.
>
> --
MacObtuse = MacAbstraction = MacLanguage = MacJob ?
James J. Gavan
"William M. Klein" wrote:
>
> Others may do as they wish - but I STRONGLY recommend that no one reply to
> this idiot.
Just picked up on Bill's message. So guess this time around Thane you
are SOL on selling "24 Hours" to this nut - and Bob must be already
pining, having lost another convert to SP2 <G>
Jimmy
James J. Gavan
Lewstherin wrote:
>
> Trained into what?
>
> Coding a 1940's mainframe? WIth 16k of RAM? Or a stupid computer project
> for a class?
>
Mr. Lewstherin,
Please supply us with the address of the Funny Farm you are located at
and I'm sure the lads here will pitch in for a bunch of flowers in
sympathy.
> Lewstherin, a humble programmer.
If you are truly humble, may I suggest some basic courses :-
- Psychology 101 - Do they use self-testing techniques nowdays ?
- English 101 - Your expletive is NOT acceptable - and having
spent 12 years in the military I can assure you I can do a much
better job with expletives than you
- History 101 - might give you an insight to when computers
were first designed. Or perhaps you were thinking, 'Tis an
Enigma ?
Jerry P
James J. Gavan <jjg...@home.com> wrote in message
news:37FE6247...@home.com...
>
>
> Lewstherin wrote:
> >
> > Trained into what?
> >
> > Coding a 1940's mainframe? WIth 16k of RAM? Or a stupid computer
project
> > for a class?
> >
> Mr. Lewstherin,
>
> Please supply us with the address of the Funny Farm you are located
at
> and I'm sure the lads here will pitch in for a bunch of flowers in
> sympathy.
>
His email originated from a smallish school in Ontario with the
slowest web page I've seen in some time.
No doubt he is working his way through college by assisting with
the campus internet presence. Check it out.
I recommend we add his name and comments to the National
Programmer's Database. Someone may try to hire him someday.
James J. Gavan
Jerry,
I can make the best of 'em blush with obscenities - but this geek. As
you'll see I've written to Brock.
Jimmy
William Lynch
>
> Dudes....
>
> "James J. Gavan" wrote:
>
> > Welcome to the clan Jacob - you will be joining 3 MILLION others who use
> > COBOL. Suggested list, which should be available at a big-box book store
> > or you can check Barnes & Noble or amazon.com. You can go for 1 or 2
> > first, but having both, I'd opt for # 1 :-
>
500 x 3,000,000 = 1,500,000,000, that's 1 of every 4 people on the
planet. Can you say Hyperbole? (I knew your could)
> Cobol isn't even a language.. it's SCRIPT, like HTML and Javascript. It can't handle anything, no pointers, no references, no nothing... any real programmer uses data abtraction, even in procedural programming techniques. I could go on.. but you guys aren't worth my time,.
Back under your bridge, troll! Back I say!
Bill Lynch
Ib Tanding
He is in there, and with him a few others.
I use this option with pleasure when I do not expect anything of value from
a person.
Try it out.
regards
Ib
James J. Gavan skrev i meddelelsen <37FE7FAA...@home.com>...
Volker Bandke
>Dudes....
>
>
>HAHAH!! Yeah right! If there are 3 million Cobol programmers, then there is 500x more C programmers (or any other real language out there).
Lets see: 3million * 500 = 1500000000
which makes at least 1.8 billion out of the 6 billions people on our planet programmers
(if you call C coders programmers, that is). Nearly one third of the world in IT- not bad
>
>Cobol isn't even a language.. it's SCRIPT, like HTML and Javascript.
What is the difference between a language and script? Please enlighten me, master
philosopher/programmer
> It can't handle anything, no pointers
wrong
>, no references,
wrong
> no nothing
true. NO NOTHING means everything, doesn't it?
Before you make any assertions, please get your facts right. Look up on USAGE IS POINTER
in any COBOL reference manual
>... any real programmer uses data abtraction, even in
>procedural programming techniques.
And what does this have to do with COBOL?
>I could go on.. but you guys aren't worth my time,.
>
Oh, I see, you are way superior to us:
I have preferences
You are biased
He/She/it is prejudiced....
>Lewstherin, a humble programmer.
How "humbe" you are is made perfectly clear in your post. Or does humble refer to the
current results of your programming exercises?
\'> "Twice and Twice shall he be marked
> Twice to live and twice to die.
> Once the heron worked in C,
> And that tis the way is gonna be."
>
With kind Regards |\ _,,,---,,_
ZZZzz /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,
Volker Bandke |,4- ) )-,_. ,\ ( `'-'
(BSP GmbH) '---''(_/--' `-'\_)
What does CICS mean? - Christmas Is Coming Soon...
Bob Wolfe
>Dudes....
>
>"James J. Gavan" wrote:
>
>> Welcome to the clan Jacob - you will be joining 3 MILLION others who use
>> COBOL. Suggested list, which should be available at a big-box book store
>> or you can check Barnes & Noble or amazon.com. You can go for 1 or 2
>> first, but having both, I'd opt for # 1 :-
>
>HAHAH!! Yeah right! If there are 3 million Cobol programmers, then there is 500x more C programmers (or any other real language out there).
>
>Cobol isn't even a language.. it's SCRIPT, like HTML and Javascript. It can't handle anything, no pointers, no references, no nothing... any real programmer uses data abtraction, even in procedural programming techniques. I could go on.. but you guys aren't worth my time,.
Little Lewie...
Please run off and play with the other children....but DO try to play
nice, though. You seem to exhibit a nasty case of arrogance and
childishness.
Trolls usually do.
Bob Wolfe
Jimmy:
Even if Little Lewie *begged* me to buy sp2, I wouldn't sell it to
him. One of the requirements of our software is that the programmer
must have a minimum IQ of 50.
;-)
Bob Wolfe
1. Your use of foul language in a public forum indicates that you are
immature. I'm surprised you have been accepted to Brock
University...or do you just clean toilets there and have access to the
computer equipment?
2. Your complete inflexibility indicates that you are very rigid in
your set of beliefs. I'll wager that you were anal rententive as a
child...perhaps you still are.
3. Your hostility toward an inanimate object such as a programming
language is indicative of the fact that you have deep seated anger.
Was your father a COBOL programmer? Did he beat you often?
Gadzooks...we have a breakthrough!
Lewstherin <LewsTh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[snip offending language]
>
>"excellent taste"?! HAHAHAH!
>
>How about this:
> MS Visual Studio
> 3ds max 3
> Lightwave 5
> Softimage
> ASM32
> etc..
>
>Lewstherin, a humble programmer.
> "Twice and Twice shall he be marked
> Twice to live and twice to die.
> Once the heron worked in C,
> And that tis the way is gonna be."
>
>Bob Wolfe wrote:
>
>> "James J. Gavan" <jjg...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>> >1. Thane Hubbell "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 hours" comes with a
>> >starter-kit for Fujitsu COBOL plus Flexus SP2 GUI handler which Thane
>> >L-O-V-E-S - and you can bitch at the SOB on this NewsGroup if you have
>> >problems <G>
>>
>> Jimmy:
>>
>> I really respect and admire people who have excellent taste in
>> software products...don't you?
>>
Ken Foskey
>
> Even if Little Lewie *begged* me to buy sp2, I wouldn't sell it to
> him. One of the requirements of our software is that the programmer
> must have a minimum IQ of 50.
>
I checked the web page and there was no IQ requirements, could you
please update your pages.
:-}
James J. Gavan
Ken Foskey wrote:
>
> Bob Wolfe wrote:
> >
> > Even if Little Lewie *begged* me to buy sp2, I wouldn't sell it to
> > him. One of the requirements of our software is that the programmer
> > must have a minimum IQ of 50.
> >
> > ;-)
Thane !
Trust an Ausie to find a bug in SP2 <G> Can we have an update to
"TYCI24H" ?
Jimmy, Calgary AB
Thane Hubbell
wrote:
>
>
>"William M. Klein" wrote:
>>
>> Others may do as they wish - but I STRONGLY recommend that no one reply to
>> this idiot.
>
>Just picked up on Bill's message. So guess this time around Thane you
>are SOL on selling "24 Hours" to this nut - and Bob must be already
>pining, having lost another convert to SP2 <G>
Jimmy,
No tears shed on this end. As someone who used to do technical
support I can tell you there are some customers you just don't want to
have. <G>.
BTW - I found the comment about number of COBOL programmres to number
of C programmers (or any other language) quite interesting. Since
there is more COBOL than any other language, it makes it really
interesting. It says more for the ease of maintaining COBOL programs
than I ever could.
Thane Hubbell
<LewsTh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>How about this:
> MS Visual Studio
Now there's a product that will bring any Windows maching DOWN in a
hurry. <G>
Judson McClendon
><snip> Since there is more COBOL than any other language, <snip>
You understate the situation. There is more COBOL code than *all* the
other languages, put together (60%-80% COBOL vs. 20%-40% for all other
languages). :-)
--
Judson McClendon judm...@bellsouth.net (remove numbers)
Sun Valley Systems http://personal.bhm.bellsouth.net/~judmc
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
Bob Wolfe
The reason it is not in the user guide is because it is an
"undocumented feature!"
"James J. Gavan" <jjg...@home.com> wrote:
Thane Hubbell
wrote:
>Even if Little Lewie *begged* me to buy sp2, I wouldn't sell it to
>him. One of the requirements of our software is that the programmer
>must have a minimum IQ of 50.
I wondered about that Quiz on the original PO. Guess I just squeaked
by.
Thane Hubbell
wrote:
>Thane !
>
>Trust an Ausie to find a bug in SP2 <G> Can we have an update to
>"TYCI24H" ?
>
>Jimmy, Calgary AB
Uh to quote someone from here: "It's the painter, not the
paintbrush".
<G>
Michael Mattias
"It's not the paintbrush, it's the artist."
--
Michael Mattias
Tal Systems
Racine WI USA
The views and opinions expressed herein are my own.
As I am self-employed, they also express the views of my employer.
Thane Hubbell wrote in message <380099ba....@news1.attglobal.net>...
>On Sun, 10 Oct 1999 03:00:22 GMT, "James J. Gavan" <jjg...@home.com>
>
William Lynch
>
(snip)
>
> 3. Your hostility toward an inanimate object such as a programming
> language is indicative of the fact that you have deep seated anger.
> Was your father a COBOL programmer? Did he beat you often?
Maybe not enough?
Bill Lynch <g>
Leif Svalgaard
William Lynch <WBL...@att.net> wrote in message
news:3800C9EA...@att.net...
James J. Gavan
Michael Mattias wrote:
>
> If you are going to quote, please quote *correctly*:
>
> "It's not the paintbrush, it's the artist."
>
See Thane - I told you he'd be offended <G>
Jimmy
Thane Hubbell
wrote:
I know, I know. Next time I'll quote properly and ATTRIBUE it.
William Lynch
>
> can we get off this thread, please.
Sure - "Hitler"!
Done,
Bill Lynch
donald tees
No wonder he is an idiot, coming from "last chance U" ...
Jerry P wrote in message ...
donald tees
Lewstherin wrote in message <37FE2ADE...@hotmail.com>...
>Gimme a fucking break..
>
>"excellent taste"?! HAHAHAH!
>
>How about this:
> MS Visual Studio
> 3ds max 3
> Lightwave 5
> Softimage
> ASM32
> etc..
>
>Lewstherin, a humble programmer.
> "Twice and Twice shall he be marked
> Twice to live and twice to die.
> Once the heron worked in C,
> And that tis the way is gonna be."
>
>Bob Wolfe wrote:
>
>> "James J. Gavan" <jjg...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>> >1. Thane Hubbell "Teach Yourself COBOL in 24 hours" comes with a
>> >starter-kit for Fujitsu COBOL plus Flexus SP2 GUI handler which Thane
>> >L-O-V-E-S - and you can bitch at the SOB on this NewsGroup if you have
>> >problems <G>
>>
>> Jimmy:
>>
>> I really respect and admire people who have excellent taste in
>> software products...don't you?
>>
>> ;-)
>>