Replay B2
Ant Phillips
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[01 10 26 - I could not find Replay B2 in the more recent TROM Replay
cycles. Had to go back to 2nd Jan 1988 before I found the following]
resent
Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:21:08 +0200also
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 09:12:17 +0100
Date: Sat, 01 May 2004 06:49:05 +0100
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Subject: Replay B2
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 19:26:45 +0100
From: Antony Phillips <i...@post8.tele.dk>
Organization: International Viewpoints
To: tro...@newciv.org
(Nr 2 of the second run through of resent trom-l comms.)
Note the first little bit is the end of the letter I send in replay B1
- sorry for ommision.
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From : Ant Phillips <a...@ivy.ping.dk> Thu 29 Dec 94 15:54
To : tro...@netcom.com Fri 30 Dec 94 11:08
Subj : TROM - Judith Methven
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need to experience using the techniques under the guidance of an 'old
hand'. This I feel is very true...you can't just read the book and
think you know it. There is one thing I do disagree with though...but
won't go into that now.
I hope to finish it in the new year of it. Would you like me to write
a review of it for IVY?
I would like to submit a report on TROM for IVY. Is the one for the
Internet too long, shall I modify it, when is the deadline for the
next issue of IVY? If you let me know, I'll do one for your consideration
for publication.
Thanks for your letters.
Very best wishes,
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From : Flemming Funch <ffu...@netcom.com> Wed 04 Jan 95 06:13
To : tro...@netcom.com Wed 04 Jan 95 21:39
Subj : TROMming through life
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Judith's letter was very impressive.
Inspired me to go a bit further with TROM.
So far I had just done through level 4, finding the latter somewhat boring.
There are indeed some very nice concepts in the level 5 theory. The idea of
the complentary postulates ending a games condition is quite profound.
Well, I kind of knew that, but then again, this adds another angle.
Before getting into doing level 5 itself, it makes sense to look at the
main technique for destimulating anything that is found in TROM.
Basically the solution to anything as given in TROM is to alternate
time-breaking with repair of importances (RI). Overall, that is the two
main techniques found in TROM. I could even say, the ONLY two techniques
TROM really consists of.
The simplicity of the two techniques and their combined use is quite
profound. I don't really think Stephens explains them in any clearly
understandable way, but obviously he knew.
If I generalize things a bit, it looks like this:
Time-breaking is essentially to put up two pieces of reality next to each
other and comparing them. One piece is from the past or any other
Not-Here-and-Now reality. The other pieces is from the Here-and-Now present
perceptible environment.
I personally wouldn't call that "time-breaking". I would just call it
"Co-Locating" or something like that. See, I personally would use it just
as much for getting a better sense of reality of alternate realities as I
would use it for getting "rid" of them. I have no need for getting rid of
things, really. I don't have reactive automaticities in the normal sense,
even though I do have stuff popping up in my space that I don't always know
what is. "Time-breaking" is overly emphasizing the negative angle, in my
opinion. And it is overly emphazing time. The technique works just as well
with parallel realities and different locations in space.
Basically one works on perceiving both the Elsewhere reality and the Here
reality at the same time, side by side, so to say. That alleviates
scarcity. If one can perceive both equally and simultaneously then none of
them will act aberratively in relation to each other.
Stephens only talks about doing it visually. However, it applies as well to
any other perceptual distinction. You can do it with sounds or voices,
hearing a remembered sound or an automatic mind voice at the same time as
the sounds of the present time environment. That tends to take out the
automaticities.
One should be able to do it kinesthetically also, feeling something from
another reality the same time as this reality.
The simultaneous perception ensures comparison, increases clarity of
perception, and tends to end any unfinished cycle. Typically the "other"
reality will drop away into its proper space-time coordinates once it has
been perceived sufficiently well in the present.
As a general tool for handling stuff, time-breaking can deal with anything
that is found in one's space. Fragments of pictures, sounds, voices,
feelings. Or, one can specifically pick stuff out of the past to use for
the purpose.
Now, the other tool, which is complementary is Repair of Importance. Again,
I don't like the term for it. It confuses it with RI=Reliable Items from
the traditional GPM tech, with which it has nothing to do. Secondly, it
emphasizes the abstract term "importance" which is kind of elusive to
define well.
Really what we are talking about is creative processing, mocking something
up, putting something there. That is in contrast to time-breaking where we
work with whatever is there. In RI we put something there, or we choose
something about anything whatsoever that we feel like emphasizing. That is,
you can take a spot on the wall and make it very important. The key is that
YOU choose something to perceive, rather than just perceiving what offers
itself.
Actually the difference between the two is kind of subtle when one looks
closer at it. Where does the stuff you choose to create or emphasize come
from? Is it really that much different from taking what is there? To me
personally it isn't very much different, but it might work differently if
one has the experience of having massy bank stuff around continously, I
don't know.
To simplify things, time-breaking is a clearing technique, a negative
processing technique. You take whatever is there in your "mental" space,
compare it with the physical environment, until both are clear at the same
time, and there will no longer be an automatic effect of the mental stuff,
it will tend to drop away.
RI is a positive technique, a creative processing technique, a havingness
process. You mock stuff up or put stuff there deliberately until you feel
that you have enough stuff around. That can be in any perceptual system
also.
The two needs to be in balance. If you do the negative part you need to
have your havingness replenished with the positive part. If you do the
positive part you will tend to get into stuff that offers itself somewhat
compulsively which then ought to be cleared.
Before doing level 5 one should be at the point of being able to use those
two techniques to clear one's space and replenish one's havingness any
time.
As I try it, that seems to work fine for me. No guarantee that I won't get
tired of it, but just trying it for a few days that checks out fine.
As to the claim that after level 4 life would no longer be able to
restimulate you, I frankly don't know what he refers to.
Might have made sense for a retired musician sitting by the ocean in
Australia looking at the sea gulls, I don't know.
Personally, I live in Los Angeles and lots of stuff is going on everyday.
Lots of energy of different kinds ends up in my space. I don't have much of
a problem with that, and I wouldn't necessarily call it restimulation, but
stuff will definitely be stirred up by living life. It doesn't stick for
very long, but it does get stirred up very quickly. I am not sure if that
is what he meant shouldn't be happening, or if he is talking about a more
aberrated reactive response to things.
At any rate, I find time-breaking and RI to be quite useful tools to use on
whatever is stirred up in my daily life and for replenishing my havingness.
If I do it like Stephens had in mind, I don't know. I am more talking about
the basic underlying principles which are very sound.
I am still not sure if simple techniques like that, fairly quickly
explained, really is adequate for somebody who hasn't done auditing before.
>From the feedback I've seen, the techniques work and produce results for
some people who have done nothing else. But I am not sure if they are
adequate overall. I have personally done thousands of hours of auditing and
many solo levels. At this point it suits me fine with a simple technique. I
don't know what use it would be to me if I hadn't done a lot of stuff
already.
- Flemming
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