Let us be fair to scientology
Richard Ford
to make every possible allowance for Scientology before condemning it.
First of all, let us eliminate everything LRH wrote on the subject.
Why not? If we want to understand modern Christianity we will not find
the answers in the Bible. I have never met a Christian who believed
that he had been swallowed by a fish for instance and yet there is a
story in the old testament of a man (Jonah) who lived in the belly of
a fish (not a whale) for many years.
If we wish to understand Christianity we must talk to Christians. We
must let the sanest of them explain their case in their own words.
I recognise that this is unreasonably generous to Scientology.
Christians do not deny that the old testament exists in the same way
that Scientologists lie about Xenu.
Nevertheless I want to give Scientology the benefit of the doubt. They
have the disadvantage that their profit was a buffoon and no help to
their case and so I will not bring this up against them.
Where do we find these articulate intelligent Scientologists to
explain what modern Scientology is?
We will not find them in the Orgs. All we find here are secretive
aggressive people who ask us over and over again what our crimes are
when we ask a simple reasonable question.
In fact nearly everyone in Scientology behaves as if Scientology were
a dirty secret. They act as if they had something to hide.
There is only one place where it is possible to communicate with
Scientologists and ask them these questions and this is the newsgroup
Alt Religion Scientology.
I have listed the main Scientology advocates in approximate order of
sanity starting with the most sane. I would advise you to read what
they have to say before making up your mind about the cult.
BARBRA SCHWARTZ. High intelligence. Delusional.
Barbra worked as a senior position within the Church of Scientology in
Germany until she became convinced she was the secret child of L Ron
Hubbard and that she was married to Marty Rathburn. Barbra claims to
have grown up with LRH on a secret submarine base from which she and
LRH would watch passing fish and octopus. She became convinced that
the only reason Marty rejected her advances was that he was a German
secret agent from an imaginary outfit called SENGIMPUS (or something
similar). SENGIMPUS has also been very busy on the following projects.
1) Controlling all world governments.
2) Kidnapping the 'real' Marty and LRH to replace them with secret
agents.
3) Controlling the colour of her hair by means of 'remote control
germs'.
4) Causing her to be arrested for the theft of a bag of nectarines.
5) Having her committed for mental treatment on three occasions.
6) Placing an electronic probe in her ear to give her sinister
messages and a buzzing noise.
Nearly everyone in the world is actually a SENGIMPUS agent but Barbra
continues to believe there is hope because she is convinced that
whichever prison cell SENGIMPUS is holding her (imaginary) husband in
is equipped with an Internet connection. She posts loving messages to
him and sometimes receives replies from trolls trying to mess with her
head.
On the plus side she is intelligent and capable of responding to
others in an open and thoughtful way. She is also less robotic than
other scientologists.
JOHNATHON BARBRA Intelligence. Bi Polar (Manic Depressive)
Jonathan's behaviour is determined by his mental state that follows a
repeating patten.
Phase I. Johnathan may appear lucid and polite by scientology
standards. His word output is truly awesome and he can sit at a
computer screen for up to sixteen hours a day, often writing three
multi paragraph posts within a minute. In addition to this he self
publishes a number of science fiction books. Naturally this obsessive
life precludes a job or a girlfriend or any normal human contact.
Phase II. The posts become more and more erratic and often no longer
make sense. He becomes personally abusive and confuses one poster with
another.
Phase III. Johnathan accuses every poster who disagrees with him of
being suicidal. This seems to be a defense mechanism to deny his own
depression and to transfer it to his supposed enemies.
Johnathan actually only has one subject- he seeks to frame every issue
in such a way that no objective proof is required to sustain his faith
in scientology. He is unable to confront anything and dances around it
without looking too closely.
Johnathan is a former Sea Org member who was thrown out under
mysterious circumstances. My own guess is that these were linked to
his present mental difficulties or that they discovered he had taken
psychiatric drugs in the past.
LAZERCLAM Unknown intelligence. Evil.
Lazerclam believes in reverse auditing. This is a form of auditing
(threpy) designed to make the target sick. This involves asking
ambiguous questions to introvert the target and restimulate engrams.
His posts appear meaningless or wacky but they betray an evil purpose.
ROADRUNNER. Low IQ.
Roadrunner believes that his stupidity is some sort of victory for
scientology. As far as I am aware he has never made a serious point in
any discussion on the subject. He continually reverses the burden of
proof and refuses to understand anything said to him.
If I were to say that LRH did not visit Venus and nearly get run down
by a freight train, Roadrunner would ask me to prove this.
If I were to say that photographs of Venus show no train tracks, he
would then ask me to prove the photographs were not fake...
and so on...
and on...
and on...
In fact it is impossible to prove a negative. This is why the proposer
must produce the evidence- which Roadrunner never does.
In efect Roadrunner has turned his stupidity into a weapon. The fact
that he cannot see the obvious is some sort of victory in his thick-as-
shit brain. He accuses others of running away from discussion when
this is what he does himself. He lacks honesty and integrity as well
as intelligence.
So there we have it! The four best brains that scientology can offer
us. Each of them have serious mental problems and yet they are the
only scientologists that are willing to communicate at all.
Read what they have to say. Give them every chance- then make up your
mind.
Lawrence
"Richard Ford" <doorma...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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{SNIP}
Trolling at its zenith!
--
Read "The Diary Of A Scientologist"
http://mysite.verizon.net/toomajan/
Larry
Chef Xenu
Great post Richard, very fun to read.
One correction my ocd won't let me not make. In the bible story,
Jonah was in the belly of the whale not for years but only for only 3
days (which Christians view as being a foreshadowing of Jesus' 3 days
of death before he resurected), but honestly 3 days or 3 years makes
no difference for your most excellent post.
Peace,
Chef Xenu
--
REB Slaughter (USN-RET)(SP V) 614-321-XENU http://www.chefxenu.net
4th (or 5th) Marcabian Invader Force Mess Saucer 1138
Everybody Loves Pie! http://cbusanon.foromotion.net/
Message to Durable Slate http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbDpIYKv07g
The Admiral
(now not even the names of offended persons are spelled correctly)
What happened?
T.A.
--
Who You really are:
http://paramejgian.wordpress.com/
Roadrunner
Indeed, we should regard the fact that you, in the past, have failed
to take any opportunity to address my queries and argumentation...
You therefore MUST deem me being the worst as I am your greatest
threat.
>
> If I were to say that LRH did not visit Venus and nearly get run down
> by a freight train, Roadrunner would ask me to prove this.
Incorrect, I would say that it has nothing to do with the subject.
>
> If I were to say that photographs of Venus show no train tracks, he
> would then ask me to prove the photographs were not fake...
Incorrect, I would say that you have not understood at what level of
reality you should interpret these matters.
>
> and so on...
>
> and on...
>
> and on...
>
> In fact it is impossible to prove a negative. This is why the proposer
> must produce the evidence- which Roadrunner never does.
That is a bold lie. If some person makes a claim then it is He that
should provide that evidence supporting that claim. Instead it has
been demanded from me to provide evidence why that claim would be not
true. See, this is sort of circular reasoning. It is you and your pals
that ask me to prove a negative, PERSISTENTLY and REPEATEDLY.
>
> In efect Roadrunner has turned his stupidity into a weapon. The fact
> that he cannot see the obvious is some sort of victory in his thick-as-
> shit brain. He accuses others of running away from discussion when
> this is what he does himself. He lacks honesty and integrity as well
> as intelligence.
The obvious for you is your opinion... your personal opinion...
>
> So there we have it! The four best brains that scientology can offer
> us. Each of them have serious mental problems and yet they are the
> only scientologists that are willing to communicate at all.
>
> Read what they have to say. Give them every chance- then make up your
> mind.
Indeed, don't follow opinion, see their actions... look, don't
listen...
RR
Richard Ford
>
> - Show quoted text -
My apologies for any mispellings and I will change the bit about the
fish. All else stands.
Astrid
>
> > > So there we have it! The four best brains that scientology can offer
> > > us. Each of them have serious mental problems and yet they are the
> > > only scientologists that are willing to communicate at all.
>
> > > Read what they have to say. Give them every chance- then make up your
> > > mind.
>
various delusions and rarely read her posts. It is hard enough
thinking about Hubbard's nuttiness.
I was reading some Ron Jr. court testimony the other day. He really
gives some of the most scathing criticism of his father's fraud there
is. It is hard to believe he didn't have a bigger impact than he did,
at drawing members away. He was a very smart fellow and knew the
subject matter thoroughly. He also knew so many inside details,
because I think he was very curious and asked lots of questions
whereas other Scientologists just followed.
Voltaire's Child
"Astrid" <Astrid...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cb2caefd-5d1f-49b4...@g1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>I was reading some Ron Jr. court testimony the other day. He really
>gives some of the most scathing criticism of his father's fraud there
>is. It is hard to believe he didn't have a bigger impact than he did,
>at drawing members away. He was a very smart fellow and knew >the
>subject matter thoroughly. He also knew so many inside details,
because I think he was very curious and asked lots of questions
whereas other Scientologists just followed.
Ron junior liked to audit people even during those scathing denunciations.
So I'm not really thinking of him as much of a benchmark. I realize that's
gonna piss some people off, but it's just that I find that situation to have
been inconsistent, and that's putting it nicely. Do you know what I mean?
C
Barbara loves Marty
> On Dec 19, 4:58 pm, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > So there we have it! The four best brains that scientology can offer
> > > > us. Each of them have serious mental problems and yet they are the
> > > > only scientologists that are willing to communicate at all.
>
> > > > Read what they have to say. Give them every chance- then make up your
> > > > mind.
>
> Good synopsis of Barbara S...I hadn't put together the pieces of her
> various delusions and rarely read her posts.
Same here, "Astrid", I don't bother with your delusional postings
either.
I read your opinions of me and noticed that none of you is able to get
me.
Whoever that person is that RF describes. It's not me, except the
intelligent part.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
>
> - Show quoted text -
This is how the subject line of this posting should be, RR:
Let's again be unfair to the few Scientologists here.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
I can tell you what happened. That Richard Ford posting was written
under the influence of spiked eggnog.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
> Let
Except my high intelligence, you got everything wrong, Richard. It's a
pity. Whatever you are inhaling, better stop it.
Barbara Schwarz
LaserClam
> We will not find them in the Orgs. All we find here are secretive
> aggressive people who ask us over and over again what our crimes are
> when we ask a simple reasonable question.
>
> In fact nearly everyone in Scientology behaves as if Scientology were
> a dirty secret. They act as if they had something to hide.
>
> There is only one place where it is possible to communicate with
> Scientologists and ask them these questions and this is the newsgroup
> Alt Religion Scientology.
>
> I have listed the main Scientology advocates in approximate order of
> sanity starting with the most sane. I would advise you to read what
> they have to say before making up your mind about the cult.
What is the definition of the word sanity ?
Andrew Robertson
"Richard Ford" <doorma...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
[Barbara Schwarz]
> On the plus side she is intelligent and capable of responding to
> others in an open and thoughtful way.
I entirely agree with you.
<snip>
[Roadrunner]
> In fact it is impossible to prove a negative. This is why the proposer
> must produce the evidence- which Roadrunner never does.
I'd like Roadrunner to explain why the English and Dutch pages on his
website regarding a significant character in my childhood are different.
And I can provide the evidence:
http://wiseoldgoat.com/papers/rupert.html
and
http://wiseoldgoat.com/papers/ned_for_dutch_readers.html
I am making no claim that there is a sinister conspiracy involved here. I
am just curious as to why these pages are different, when to me, Rupert Bear
and Bruintje Beer are one and the same bear who lives in Nutwood Common.
Andrew
Richard Ford
My apoligies to BS for mispelling her name.
The revised version is here.
Let us be fair to Scientology. For the sake of argument I would like
to make every possible allowance for Scientology before condemning it.
First of all, let us eliminate everything LRH wrote on the subject.
Why not? If we want to understand modern Christianity we will not find
the answers in the Bible. I have never met a Christian who believed
that he had been swallowed by a fish for instance and yet there is a
story in the old testament of a man who lived in the belly of a fish
(not a whale) for three days.
This does not mean that Christianity is 'secretly' all about being
swallowed by fish. If we wish to understand Christianity we must talk
to Christians. We must let the sanest of them explain their case in
their own words.
I recognise that this is unreasonably generous to Scientology.
Christians do not deny that the old testament exists in the same way
that Scientologists lie about Xenu.
Nevertheless I want to give Scientology every possible advantage so
that we can be absolutely sure it is rubbish when it fails. Their
chief liability is L Ron Hubbard himself. Here is a prophet who locked
children in chain lockers and made himself a millionaire out of a
religion he openly joked was a money making fraud.
Where do we find these articulate intelligent Scientologists to
explain what modern Scientology is?
We will not find them in the Orgs. All we find here are secretive
aggressive people who ask us over and over again what our crimes are
when we ask a simple reasonable question.
In fact nearly everyone in Scientology behaves as if Scientology were
a dirty secret. They act as if they had something to hide.
There is only one place where it is possible to communicate with
Scientologists and ask them these questions and this is the newsgroup
Alt Religion Scientology.
I have listed the main Scientology advocates in approximate order of
sanity starting with the most sane. I would advise you to read what
they have to say before making up your mind about the cult.
BARBARA SCHWARZ. High intelligence. Delusional.
Barbara worked as a senior position within the Church of Scientology
in Germany until she became convinced she was the secret child of L
Ron Hubbard and that she was married to Marty Rathburn. Barbara claims
to have grown up with LRH on a secret submarine base from which she
and LRH would watch passing fish and octopus. She became something of
a stalker until Marty publicly denied having been married to her.
Barbaras solution was that he must be a German secret agent from an
imaginary outfit called SENGIMPUS (or something similar). SENGIMPUS
has also been very busy on the following projects.
1) Controlling all world governments.
2) Kidnapping the 'real' Marty and LRH to replace them with secret
agents.
3) Controlling the colour of her hair by means of 'remote control
germs'.
4) Causing her to be arrested for the theft of a bag of nectarines.
5) Having her committed for mental treatment on three occasions.
6) Placing an electronic probe in her ear to give her sinister
messages and a buzzing noise.
The really interesting thing about SENGIMPUS is its lack of ambition.
They are supposed be be a bunch of Nazis who control the US
government. Rather than launch a nuclear attack on Israel they choose
to covertly change the colour of Barbara Schwarz hair by means of
'remote controlled chlorine eating germs'.
Nearly everyone in the world is actually a SENGIMPUS agent but Barbara
continues to believe there is hope because she is convinced that
whichever prison cell SENGIMPUS is holding her (imaginary) husband in
is equipped with an Internet connection. She posts loving messages to
him and sometimes receives replies from trolls trying to mess with her
head.
On the plus side she is intelligent and capable of responding to
others in an open and thoughtful way. She is more sane than any other
Scientologist currently posting on A.R.S
JOHNATHON BARBRA Intelligent. Bi Polar (Manic Depressive)
LAZERCLAM Unknown intelligence. Evil.
It is easy to dismiss him as a harmless nut until one realises that he
has devoted years of his life to making complete strangers sick.
ROADRUNNER. Low IQ.
Roadrunner believes that his stupidity is some sort of victory for
scientology. As far as I am aware he has never made a serious point in
any discussion on any subject. He continually reverses the burden of
proof and refuses to understand anything said to him.
If I were to say that LRH did not visit Venus and nearly get run down
by a freight train, Roadrunner would ask me to prove this.
If I were to say that photographs of Venus show no train tracks, he
would then ask me to prove the photographs were not fake...
and so on...
and on...
and on...
In fact it is impossible to prove a negative. This is why the proposer
must produce the evidence- which Roadrunner never does.
In efect Roadrunner has turned his stupidity into a weapon. The fact
that he cannot see the obvious is some sort of victory in his thick-as-
shit brain. He accuses others of running away from discussion when
this is what he does himself. He lacks honesty and integrity as well
as intelligence.
So there we have it! The four best brains that scientology can offer
us. Each of them have serious mental problems.
One is a delusional bag lady and illegal resident of the USA with a
history of severe mental illness.
One is a suicidal depressive.
One is a sociopath who believes he can destroy the lives of people he
has never met.
One is a moron (and proud of it).
Read what they have to say. Give them every chance- then make up your
mind. Remember. This is the best that Scientology can do.
Barbara loves Marty
> On 20 Dec, 08:01, LaserClam <LaserC...@aol.com> wrote:
Apoligies not accepted, RF. Same goes for any apologies. That "Barbara
Schwarz" that you described just exist in your twisted head. I am so
different. If you just would know how I am really are... But you
probably will never now.
It is almost Christmas. Isn't it time to post something truthful about
Jonathon Barbera, LaserClam, Roadrunner or me?
Barbara Schwarz
> mind. Remember. This is the best that Scientology can do.- Hide quoted text -
Barbara loves Marty
> "Richard Ford" <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:580d786f-3fb1-4841...@g7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> [Barbara Schwarz]
>
> > On the plus side she is intelligent and capable of responding to
> > others in an open and thoughtful way.
>
> I entirely agree with you.
>
> <snip>
Merry Christmas, Andrew, and a happy New Year to you.
Also to those lonely guys who sit in the Echelon near your home over x-
mas and have to read your private messages or those mailed to you.
Barbara Schwarz
Richard Ford
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Barbara
I have never posted anything about you that you have not said about
yourself. I am simply presenting your fantasies in a condensed form-
readers digest version.
You should be happy. I said you were the sanest pro scientology poster
here. I still think that. Happy Christmass!
Roadrunner
wrote:
It suffices establishing the fact that neither of these 'nice' and for
all 'objective' lads dares to respond to me... Claims and foul
attacks is all they have to resort to... Indeed how gullible they all
are.
RR
>
> Barbara Schwarz- Dölj citerad text -
>
> - Visa citerad text -
Roadrunner
> On Dec 19, 4:58 pm, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > So there we have it! The four best brains that scientology can offer
> > > > us. Each of them have serious mental problems and yet they are the
> > > > only scientologists that are willing to communicate at all.
>
> > > > Read what they have to say. Give them every chance- then make up your
> > > > mind.
>
> Good synopsis of Barbara S...I hadn't put together the pieces of her
> various delusions and rarely read her posts. It is hard enough
> thinking about Hubbard's nuttiness.
It is much harder to have you look at things and actually regard them
for what they are...
>
> I was reading some Ron Jr. court testimony the other day. He really
> gives some of the most scathing criticism of his father's fraud there
> is. It is hard to believe he didn't have a bigger impact than he did,
> at drawing members away. He was a very smart fellow and knew the
> subject matter thoroughly. He also knew so many inside details,
> because I think he was very curious and asked lots of questions
> whereas other Scientologists just followed.
See, THIS is what you do,... you SELECT and PROMOTE that what you
LIKE. You are unable to deal with this:
http://tiny.cc/nibs
Nothing new under the sun, you people operate on an amazing level of
gullibleness and uncriticalness.
RR
Barbara loves Marty
>
> - Show quoted text -
Oh give it a rest, RF. That is YOUR version of my life. Just one
example of you twisting the truth. I am not L. Ron Hubbard's secret
child. I am the ONLY child that he fathered. And there was nothing
secret about it.
MSH married the impostor, Jack Vistaril. But the kids are not the
impostor's kids, they are Ron's kids because I think MSH went to a
sperm bank. But Ron didn't father them and didn't knew of them as his
kids.
The babbling guy on the Apollo with MSH (YouTube) is Jack Vistaril
impostoring L. Ron Hubbard but on some photos, somebody removed the
impostor's picture and copied Ron's picture in them trying to goof
people, most of all me.
I saw numerous of such photographs while I was in the SO, in LA. Most
of these photos were black and white but MSH's lipstick was of
brightest red also doctored in these photos.
What a doctored show it was!
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
You hold your position against your defamer quite well, RR.
Barbara Schwarz
>
>
>
>
>
> > Barbara Schwarz- Dölj citerad text -
>
> > - Visa citerad text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
Barbara loves Marty
What is interesting about LaserClam is that he succeeded for more than
a decade to keep his real ID secret. Nobody knows anything about him
except that he is an auditor.
Barbara Schwarz
Roadrunner
The ONLY reason why you would think that is because you find it
easiest (for some reason) to hold your position against her...
RR
Slarty
> Let us be fair to Scientology. For the sake of argument I would like
> to make every possible allowance for Scientology before condemning it.
>
> First of all, let us eliminate everything LRH wrote on the subject.
> Why not? If we want to understand modern Christianity we will not find
> the answers in the Bible. I have never met a Christian who believed
> that he had been swallowed by a fish for instance and yet there is a
> story in the old testament of a man (Jonah) who lived in the belly of
> a fish (not a whale) for many years.
>
> If we wish to understand Christianity we must talk to Christians. We
> must let the sanest of them explain their case in their own words.
>
This post is typical of a dogmatic materialist, or even mere athiest
who knows nothing of comparative religion. Turns out there are
religions that are very different from the 3 abrahamic religions, in
approach, in doctrine, etc. Done so differently in fact that an alien
species would have a horrible time figuring out how things so
differednt could be given the same name (namely: religion).
Scientology is a religion which in MANY IMPORTANT respects is not like
abrahamic religions. Like the eastern religions, and the western
inner tradition; scienetology is (@ least to a large extent)not so
much what you believe, as what you do, and why. Talked to alot of non-
mystics of the abrahamn traditions; and it seems to come down to
belief in those types of religions (tho amongst the civilised, the
differences end up 1s of emphasis, I think).
Slarty
If you're so bright; why do you still think that scientoloogy is ABOUT
all that space opera stuff? The Scientologist I've met didn't seem to
think it was. Scientology is about the only way to fix all of
creation. The latest and the greatest of them all. It starts when
you relise the nature of what Freud called the unconcious.
1)it's the only part of the mind that's alwayes conciouse
2)It can't analyse, but operates on a stimulus responce basis
3)It equates (or creates irrational links between)everything that
happens during moments of pain and unconciousness. That is it works
on an equasion of a=a; where a is anything that might cause pain (/
seeming lowereed survival potential) to the person it is supposed to
protect (like the mormons in relation to the late Howard Hughes. They
protected him to death.)
Roger Larsson
With love hell is heaven and without love heaven is hell. It's
christianity in a nutshell.
Scientologists misses the cow (Ron hubbard) when the stall is empty.
It's what love is about roughly.
Richard Ford
Ah, I see that you did not read my post before replying to it.
Richard Ford
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
So.. in scientology world it is actually GOOD to live a double life
and to hide?
Barbara loves Marty
That is not the reason, RR. He has another agenda. He likes women more
than men.
Barbara Schwarz
Barbara loves Marty
Richard Ford is not your real name. Why are you hiding your real name?
I post with my real name.
>Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
ARS is not Scientology. But as Usenet is full of stalkers and
defamers, Laserclam made a wise choice not to reveal who he is.
Because if he would, his name would be smeared by defamers of
Scientologists all over the Internet.
Barbara Schwarz
Richard Ford
>
> - Show quoted text -
Ultimately scientology is about significance. It provides a sense of
superiority over the 'wogs' who may be more sucessful in real life. It
is also a simplifier of life in that LRH will always tell you what to
do.
Richard Ford
>
> - Show quoted text -
Babbles,
So you can command psycic sharks to eat Gregg Hall but you cannot find
out my 'real' name?
Your knowingness is failing you.
Peter Schilte
> On Dec 19, 5:02 pm, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > to make every possible allowance for Scientology before condemning it.
>
> > First of all, let us eliminate everything LRH wrote on the subject.
> > Why not? If we want to understand modern Christianity we will not find
> > the answers in the Bible. I have never met a Christian who believed
> > that he had been swallowed by a fish for instance and yet there is a
> > story in the old testament of a man (Jonah) who lived in the belly of
> > a fish (not a whale) for many years.
>
> > If we wish to understand Christianity we must talk to Christians. We
> > must let the sanest of them explain their case in their own words.
>
> > I recognise that this is unreasonably generous to Scientology.
> > Christians do not deny that the old testament exists in the same way
> > that Scientologists lie about Xenu.
>
> > Nevertheless I want to give Scientology the benefit of the doubt. They
> > have the disadvantage that their profit was a buffoon and no help to
> > their case and so I will not bring this up against them.
>
> > Where do we find these articulate intelligent Scientologists to
> > explain what modern Scientology is?
>
> > aggressive people who ask us over and over again what our crimes are
> > when we ask a simple reasonable question.
>
> > In fact nearly everyone in Scientology behaves as if Scientology were
> > a dirty secret. They act as if they had something to hide.
>
> > There is only one place where it is possible to communicate with
> > Scientologists and ask them these questions and this is the newsgroup
> > Alt Religion Scientology.
>
> > I have listed the main Scientology advocates in approximate order of
> > sanity starting with the most sane. I would advise you to read what
> > they have to say before making up your mind about the cult.
>
>
> One correction my ocd won't let me not make. In the bible story,
> Jonah was in the belly of the whale not for years but only for only 3
> days (which Christians view as being a foreshadowing of Jesus' 3 days
> of death before he resurected), but honestly 3 days or 3 years makes
> no difference for your most excellent post.
>
> Peace,
> Chef Xenu
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You have no idea what your talking about. I know you think you do,
but you don't."
If it's not true for you it's not true; for you-lrh
no datum is true untill you make it your own-paraphrase of lrh
Scientology is 1 of the few sanity creating forces on this planet, @
it's most basic level.
The devil is in the details, however. The details that arise when 1
goes into action with a highly focused and big purpose. Therefore,
it's pretty likely mistakes have been made. If we assume there are
some clears, it is still obviouse that not every1 is. Therefore,
every 10 to 20 years, you've got to start over again to some extent,
making mistakes even more likely (untill we learn to audit prenatally,
or audit freeroaming thetans [actually that latter was probably
rejected as logistical suicide, because there are "gazillions" of
thetans not even high toned enough to confront picking up a body. I
sure would be happy if you suddenly cognited on why some ot levels are
as they are, from me saying that, but I harbor no such hope, in any
real sense]).