I am surprised to see the details of the six steps of 'Discrete' posted
here. To break that confidentiality was almost a hanging offence when I was
in Avatar.
OT in nine days?
Hands up anyone who made OT in Avatar in nine days!
Hands up anyone who made 'Clear' In Avatar in nine days!
Hands up anyone who KNOWS anyone who made Clear or OT in nine days with
Avatar.
(Aloso, hands up anyone who can do a real discreate from reading it on a NG
post!)
As to 'release', well I released a few somatics and I have used 'Discreate'
a lot since.
On training, they ran me all day with an Avatar tech. for an eye somatic
then told me it would clear up by itself.
We note HP. still wears glasses for his myopia!
On my training there were 15. none boasted of attaining OT.
Lets say those local Avatar Master are training 10 people, say 20 times a
year over 19 years.
Thats an awful lot of OTs! How come I have never smelt any of them out?.
Stars Edge and masters WW. must have OTed Thousands by now. Where are they
and why don't they do something great, like stopping the murders in Iraq or
cleaning up the crim. activities in their Mother-Church?
Two friends did Avatar with me in '86 and ever since they have trained on
the exercises and done repeat trainings.
One has serious health conditions. Why doesn't his partner clear it up, or
help me for that matter?
Harry was the first to come up with 'Discreate'.
If he didn't steal it, that was indeed a great gift to me and to Humanity.
How many of Avatar's 'Nine-Day-Wonders' (OTs?) can discreate at will? Not
v. many I'll bet!`
Their Ultimate Process was fun. I was mildly high for three days. I doubt it
made me a better person and it certainly didn't make me Clear or OT.
I believe some masters give free repeats to anyone who didn't make it.
I wouldn't even bother to invest that much time!
The tech. of 'Discreate' is worth billions. Might even 'save' the Earth.
They don't NEED BS. like claiming to make clears and OTs. Leave such BS to
the CO$ !
> Everyone wants to be an OT.!
> You can make it in only nine days for a few small bagsful of money!
> But why would you want to? You are already a 'thetan' and as to
'operating',
> how could you keep all your limitations in place without your already high
> level of ability and operating powers?
Lion to huggs
Huggs, I got onto a fun, creative space thinking about how I would handle
nine days, that someone was willing to commit to.
I have intuitive certainty that I could fill that space, simply by what
"came up". And I know I could create useful process, structured, as well.
Clear and ot might not be the way I went at it, but I find it a very
interesting challenge to think about.
Somebody gives you nine days, what would you do?
One on one, nine days ....
Your Lion,
Heloo Hugs and LIon
I checked the Avatar site out
http://www.avatarepc.com/index.html
It doesnt mention the OT word at all anywhere. I thought the site was
interesting, Im considering taking myself up on that nine days.
Best N10
If there is anything similar to upper levels of Scn in Avatar,
it is not in Avatar but in the later courses such as "Wizards". Avatar
is like the theoretical state of Clear in Scn or enlightenment in
eastern traditions. It is simple and empty.
Basically out of greed Harry Palmer added additional courses and
complexity in order to have much more potential income, just as
Hubbard did. LRH's OT levels are additives to Clear, based on trickery
and manipulations and the belief that he, LRH, is the only enlightened
being in the universe. It's very possible Palmer's upper levels have
the same twists; I haven't gone beyond the basic Avatar course, which
I thought was as good as it gets.
Ed
You're right there, Ed. In Wizards, you get Harry's entity handling technique,
quite similar to OT III and NOTS, as well as some outer space stuff about the
Galactic Confederation. (I haven't taken Wizards, but I've seen the materials
and discussed it with some people.)
In fact, here is a lecture from the first course in 1991:
-------------
I want to start by telling you “the story.”
This particular story has been rising and reappearing in the race consciousness
since before the time of the Pharaohs. Everyone who has ever sought to tell a
story has ended up somehow telling part of this story.
Many writers tell this story camouflaged with fiction.
It’s the story that is contained in our collective subconscious in the form
of archetypical images, vague recollections, hunches, instincts, subtle
recognitions.
It is probably never put into the same words in the same way twice. It
doesn’t have to be, because there are no truths to be found in words. Words
are only fingers that point at experiences that echo our own truth back to us.
Sentient beings first appeared on the core worlds of the Milky Way galaxy. The
civilizations of Earth are the result of a much later refugee relocation plan
that I’m going to tell you about.
“Sentient” means spatially aware of creation. In other words, conscious
across a distance, perceiving, sensing. A sentient being is a union between a
non-material soul-being, YOU, and a biological organism. The soul-being may or
may not have the illusion of being dependent on the organism.
The consciousness that exists on the core worlds of the galaxy is somewhat
different from what we are normally familiar with in the
mid-pancake-Earth-type-worlds of the galaxy. And it is vastly different from
the type of consciousness that exists in the rim worlds of our galaxy.
The reason for this difference in consciousness arises from the physical
character of the galaxy.
At the core of the galaxy, the electro-magnetic and gravitational fields tend
to be in perfect balance. There is no centrifugal energy. No spinning masses,
no rotating worlds, no revolving planets. Force exists in balanced, unchanging
vectors. Stasis. Equilibrium.
At the core of the galaxy, motion is a characteristic found only in living
organisms. If something moves, it is alive. Our collective consciousness still
has that instinctive response to motion. It’s alive!
In principle, you could connect the core worlds with a silk thread and it would
remain perfectly intact until some living organism altered it. Most of us still
have some archetypical images of walking through a nearly motionless world.
Move beyond the galactic core and go further out, and you begin to encounter
rhythmic motions generated by powerful forces. Spinning begins. Centrifugal
forces and gravitational forces react and influence each other. New vectors
result. Currents of energies intersect, accumulate and flow.
Electro-magnetic rifts produce violent phenomena. Mass attractions cause tides
and geological grinding that produce worlds of tumultuous change. Worlds
collide. Suns nova and implode. Meteorites impact planets, and explosions tear
worlds apart. There is a lot of motion in this region, but only a negligible
amount is attributable to living organisms.
The Earth is found in this mid-region of turbulent forces. This is a relatively
quiet period right now, but a geologist will tell you that this has not always
been the case, and a geo-physicist will tell you that it won’t last forever.
If you like, you can think of this relatively quiet period of Earth as a launch
window for life to evolve and to recall its mission. That’s why we’re here.
Every time the mission is forgotten, Wizards will appear.
From your studies you know that a thought in consciousness is something.
It actually has some very slight mass, an infinitesimal weight. If we had a
scale that was sensitive enough we could put you on the scale, and you could
think of something, or remember something, and we could measure the weight of
that particular thought. That’s a heavy thought, huh?
We could also, with the proper instruments, note a disturbance in your body’s
electro-magnetic field, its relative density and its resistance. All from
thinking a thought. Don’t be surprised if someday you run into an instrument
that can be pointed at someone and will give a readout on what they are
thinking.
Theoretically, an Avatar Master can take an Avatar and put him on a scale and
watch him get lighter as he discreates beliefs. Actually the Master does see
the Avatar’s body grow less dense and wrinkles disappear from the skin.
The basic observation here is that when a belief is created, it has the
potential to influence, and be influenced by, forces and energies that may be
beyond the control of the belief’s creator. (I’ll demonstrate that to you
when we talk about personal identity.)
Do you remember the line in the Creativism book that says thoughts come from
beliefs? That beliefs are seedpods of thoughts? Belief pods that shed thoughts
on the currents of the mind. Remember?
Well, there are a number of ways that a belief can be coaxed to shed thoughts.
For example, the soul-being--you--can focus a flow of attention on the belief,
and it will begin to transmit thoughts. Another example: another soul-being can
telepathically focus attention on a belief, and it will transmit thoughts. But
there are forces, besides attention, that can come into play. Certain physical
forces, either directly or by your reaction to them, can cause a belief to
transmit thoughts. These thoughts are a type of secondary that you are probably
familiar with;
Beliefs are affected by changes in gravity, by changes in electro-magnetic
concentrations, by centrifugal forces, by certain frequencies of energy, by
perceptions, even by some unknown forces in the galaxy. Each of these forces
can cause a belief to suddenly activate and begin to generate thoughts. Do you
know what I am saying?
This Is the truth behind astrology. One can knowingly predict when the changing
forces of the galaxy will cause a certain belief to shed certain thoughts.
Thoughts that become default primaries--as opposed to deliberate
primaries--which if not altered will manifest a specific reality.
Now, if we relate this to the differences found in consciousness, we find that
predicting the forces of the universe is a simple matter in the core
worlds--simple, because the forces do not change. They are in balance. An
equilibrium. There’s no factoring in of centrifugal deceleration, no
wandering comets or asteroids, no imploding suns, etc.
In the core worlds, there is nothing to cause a belief to transmit thoughts
other than the deliberately focused attention of a being.
Now, if you think of the tides in an ocean and the way that the sun and the
moon keep the oceans moving, and the effect of our sister planets, and sun
spots, and storms arising, and heating and cooling, volcanic activity, the mass
of the collective consciousness, you realize that on Earth there are a lot of
factors that can cause beliefs to fill the mind with thoughts.
And even though only a few people recognize their random thoughts as sparks
brought about from the friction between their beliefs and certain forces, that
is what they are.
On Earth we’ve grown used to unpredictable, even violent, tides of thoughts
being randomly wrenched off our beliefs, creating adversarial realities and
dreams.
Such occurrences in the core worlds would be quite distressful. There, the idea
of an unpredictable response or reaction would be quite illogical.
In the region of the rim worlds of this galaxy, thinking is spectacularly
chaotic. It is virtual madness. Only soul-beings who have totally discreated
all transparent beliefs and all identities can live in this region with any
safety.
So our galactic stage is set.
It is the time of the first Galactic Confederacy.
In the relative terms of time and space, the events of this story are history
for the core worlds of the galaxy, but still part of the future for our planet
Earth.
Like all events, they travel in a wave-ripple-of-physical-present outward from
the core worlds. Light images that travel at 186,000 miles per second! Because
they have not reached us yet, they are still in our future.
Intuitively, the events are accessible in the spiritual NOW of our collective
cosmic consciousness.
Since the opportunity for the role that we may play has not yet fully arrived,
we may speak of these events as things that will happen. I will, however, speak
of them as events that have already created one version of reality in the
collective mind. But I will also remind you from time to time that as a Wizard
who travels between the ends of time, the past is no more fixed than the
future. So we begin...
Every story must have a miscalculation. A tragic flaw. And the subtle irony of
our story is that the miscalculation was, or will be if you watch from Earth
ringside, that there is no concept in the core worlds of miscalculation! No
concept of random or inappropriate thinking. Not even the experience of a
single dream.
The beings of the galactic Confederacy ran their minds like precision
instruments. No spontaneous thoughts arose because there are no random
gravitational forces in the core worlds to generate them. The mind was a tool.
A creation. A warehouse for beliefs. Nothing began nor ended that was not
accomplished by the deliberate will of the soul-being. The consciousness of the
core worlds existed as a potential, rather than a kinetic, ability.
The beings of the Confederacy were able to effortlessly focus their thinking.
Focus it very precisely, regardless of how many beliefs their minds contained.
And their attention did not wander, was not subject to attraction or reaction
to any thought or idea. When they created a belief about something, they could
leave it without it ever shedding a single uninvited thought. Thus they could
create contrary, conflicting, or contending beliefs and never experience the
slightest mental confusion.
Beliefs that do not shed thoughts never come into conflict with each other.
They are inanimate creations, mental possessions.
The cultural measure of wisdom for the Confederacy was how many beliefs did a
being possess. There was no secondary generation of judgment about the
rightness or wrongness of a belief.
Literally, they strove to believe everything. For them, the quantity of beliefs
was more important than any imaginary quality. Not to possess a certain belief
was a symptom of an Incomplete mind. True wisdom was to have every possible
facet of belief or viewpoint about something.
The idea of standing up for or holding only certain beliefs about something
would seem very strange to a member of the Confederacy.
And so there’s the miscalculation. They miscalculated that a miscalculation
was possible.
They continued to create and share every form of belief. Their wisdom expanded,
and they accomplished great scientific achievements. Each generation expanded
upon the total sum of knowledge. Eventually, it was reasoned, the sum of
knowledge would grow so large that a single member of the Confederacy would not
live long enough to assimilate it all. That is when the Confederacy adopted the
technique known as stimulus indoctrination.
With stimulus indoctrination, the instructions and data that a person required
to perform complex functions could be transferred in a matter of a few hours.
The process was similar to going to a cinema, except instead of popcorn there
was a hyper-sensitizing drug, and the theater was filled with a
high-vibrational plasma of synthetic mental energy. The pictures on the cinema
screen ran at several hundred times normal speed. The data was mentally
implanted in the viewers.
Because of the pleasure involved and the tremendous increase in ability, the
populations of the core worlds widely indulged in stimulus indoctrination. At
first, the films were instructional documentaries--how to program a computer or
to repair a space drive. Something like that. Later the films became escapist
theater offering memories and events of adventures that really never happened.
Later still, when the Confederacy first began to experience the disturbances,
the films became manuals of military instructions and political
indoctrinations.
The scientific minds of the Confederacy failed to predict the full consequences
on consciousness of massive amounts of stimulus indoctrination. They assumed
that they were dealing with a one lifetime organ called a brain. They did not
realize that the implants were actually interfering with the mind-generating
blueprint of a soul-being.
The problem was that biological organisms die, but the soul-beings re-assumed
new biological organisms and carried forward the programming to generate a new
mind with the same old stimulus indoctrinated beliefs. And then in the new
lifetime more stimulus response beliefs would be programmed.
If part of the training a soldier in one lifetime was to blow a whistle
stimulus to produce adrenalin and the soldier attacked, and the stimulus for
training a factory worker in another lifetime was to blow a whistle and
everybody went on break, you can understand the guilt and uneasiness that this
would cause somebody who carried both programs. It wouldn’t be much of a
break!
Now add to this the fact that the galaxy was expanding and new gravitational
forces, the disturbances, were beginning to upset the collective mental
stability of the core worlds...
This was the miscalculation that led to the contraction of the core
Confederacy. This was the serpent in the garden. The serpent represents
stimulus indoctrinated beliefs coiled in the mind ready to strike. The garden
of Eden refers to the collective consciousness of the core worlds before the
disturbances.
And so the archetypical patterns of our own history begin to emerge.
The outer rim of the Milky Way galaxy started to slow, and solid masses with
gravity began to condense from large dust particle clouds. It was a snowballing
process, slowly at first and then more rapidly. These events caused violent
gravitational disturbances that roll across the galaxy in falling domino
fashion. When the balance of gravity was disturbed in the core worlds, spinning
began. Soul-beings lost mental control. Lifetimes of stimulus indoctrination
caused minds to over-excite.
The disturbances, as they were called, came in two major waves approximately
20,000 years apart by our measure of time. The first was the worst. The core
worlds lost contact with the Galactic Council and almost immediately fell into
anarchy. A succession of semi-psychotic civil authorities struggled to gain
control but only accelerated the disintegration. Civil wars and bad decisions
were the fare of the day.
Many civilizations tumbled into an oblivion of chaotic disorder and would again
start at the bottom of the cultural ladder that evolution follows. When the
disturbances abated, groups would reform and follow the long path through the
age of the hunters, the age of the gatherers, the pastoral age of the
shepherds, the agricultural age of the farmer, back to the industrial age of
the scientist.
The most central planet of these civilizations, last bastion of the
Confederacy, seat of the Supreme Galactic Council, was known as Karsak of
Triton. Karsak of Triton inherited the science and culture of the Confederacy
and was the central storehouse of scientific and technical knowledge.
The Supreme Galactic Council on Karsak was more sheltered from the disturbances
than the councils on the other core worlds, but its members still suffered from
a mental paralysis of doubt and indecision. Truthfully, the grand rulers of the
Confederacy trembled in paranoid fear of this phenomena they could not think
through, but fortune favored them and they endured by not acting.
So Karsak survived the disturbance intact, and it became the model for the
reconstruction of the other core civilizations, albeit an unfinished model that
had stagnated in its own industrial age.
Thus all of the core civilizations arrested their development in an industrial
age. The barrier to an enlightened age was the collective belief that sciences
and technologies could solve every problem.
But there were doubts.
In reality many of the scientific solutions created new, more critical,
problems to be solved. A self-perpetuating cycle began. It led to an even
greater emphasis on the application of sciences and technologies for solutions.
More and more science. Civilizations hung on by a technical thread.
There are only two directions in which an industrial civilization can go. It
will evolve into an enlightened civilization, or it will eventually face an
apocalypse of its own design and tumble backwards into its own debris.
There was only one planet in the core worlds that made the step. One
civilization where the collective consciousness freed itself from the shackles
of belief and evolved into an enlightened age. Only one! Its name was
Estro-Companion!
The rest of the worlds celebrated their scientific discoveries and proudly
displayed their accomplishments. But go their own ways they could not, for the
second wave of disturbance began to hit the core worlds. It was far less
powerful than the first and spared a small circle of worlds around Karsak of
Triton. Only on these worlds did the obsession with science continue.
The remaining civilizations of the Confederacy realized they were trapped on
the worlds at the static core and that safe space in the galaxy was shrinking.
To condense the history of the centuries that follow, let me say that whenever
you find civilizations that imagine they are facing a limited amount of a
critical resource, generations of wars and national intrigue follow.
Karsak of Triton became a fortress world, full of refugees from the outer
planets. Inflexible judicial bodies decided the fate of who could stay and who
had to leave. Millions are cast out. Cast Into the outer darkness to fend for
themselves. Fates are dark and uncertain.
But on Estro-Companion a different history unfolds.
Estro-Companlon was never more than a Confederacy outpost on the fringe
galactic core. Because of its great distance from Karsak of Triton, and its
small budget, its populations had only a limited exposure to stimulus
indoctrination.
From the time of the first disturbance, Companions were abandoned by their
Confederacy rulers. The Companions had no choice but to cope with the
gravitational disturbance. They refer to it as the time of the first lesson.
And so in a way, fortune also favored Estro-Companion, and as the first
disturbance abated, the beings on this world matured, and for the first time a
civilization of the galaxy evolved into an age of enlightenment.
Companions came to understand the effects of gravity on beliefs. They learned
to stay out of their thoughts and to balance the energies created by their
beliefs. So effective were their techniques that by the time of the second
disturbance, life continued without interruption on Estro-Companion.
In the final years of the Confederacy, stories of Estro-Companion passed among
the civilizations of the core worlds. It was considered a miracle that Estro
had survived both the first and second disturbance. Estro assumed mythical
proportion, and counsellors and advisors looked to it as a great source of
spiritual inspiration. It became the goal of many sacred pilgrimages, but
because it was in the region of gravitational fluctuations, only the strongest
willed could reach it.
The word ‘angel’ has its root in the word ‘Estro.’ Stories of
Estro-Companions are the intuitive source of our collective conscious ideas of
‘heaven.~ They are the archetypical source for our concepts of
angel-companions or guardian angels.
The Companions became spiritual teachers and traveled throughout the core
worlds. It was said that they could cross the bridge that links minds. They
were considered wise advisors, and their lessons were respected. To seekers of
wisdom they taught the lesson of presence in presence which offered a safe
perspective from which to view thinking. To the powerful they taught the
advantages of compassion. Soon their influence reached as high as the inner
circle of the ‘Supreme Galactic Council on Karsak of Triton.’
To the Supreme Galactic Council, the Companions were valuable in another way,
in a very practical, scientific way.
The Council reasoned thus: because the Companions knew the secret of operating
within changing gravitational fields, they were able to travel to the outer
core worlds and beyond. They could overcome the catatonic space madness that
incapacitated the pilots and navigators of Karsak’s space fleet. They could
make valuable scientific observations from worlds that had been abandoned! They
were valuable to the Confederacy.
So these two factors, the fanatic dedication to scientific progress by the
Karsak Confederacy and the mental abilities of the Companions came together. It
was an alliance so important that had it not been forged, the rest of history
would be nothing more than a diminishing ripple in time.
The finest achievement of the alliance was the construction of a spectacularly
equipped space fleet crewed by Companion pilots.
Shortly the Companions began to explore and to colonize the middle regions of
the Milky Way galaxy. They sowed the seed of life on thirty-three worlds,
including our planet Earth. (Regrettably, the evolution of the original lineage
of intelligent life on Earth was later interrupted and destroyed by refugee
colonists transported by the Companions as an act of charity. These colonists
were a group of soul-beings that the judicial bodies of Karsak exiled--a
contemptible lot of felons and insane. They leave only slight physical traces
in Earth prehistory of their invasion, but their genetic ancestoral influence
on Earth civilizations remains to this day. But this is another story.)
Back on Karsack. In a last great outpouring of scientific research, the great
technical minds of Karsak of Triton tackled the problems of creating timecraft.
And in a huge aerodrome on a moon of Karsak they finally succeed, but not
without creating some new mysteries. The Companion test pilot who pushes beyond
the boundaries of time is not the same one who returns. Also, they do not
understand their constant feeling of deja vu or do they understand where the
Companions go...
These are mysteries they never solve. For they were also about to disappear,
not into time, but into the apocalypse of their own self-perpetuating
scientific enquiry.
Nine hundred centuries after the appearance of sentient life in the core
worlds, the last days begin. Problems. Solutions. Problems. Solutions.
Problems. Sol...The Karsak of Triton blight bomb!... End of line!
The blight bomb was probably an accident. It probably wasn’t even a weapon.
More likely it was some idle scientist’s investigation of wave frequency and
genetic patterns. Regardless, it was the all-time serendipity of mass
destruction.
It started a chain reaction that discreated, at a very ancient primary level of
consciousness, the blueprint for the chemical process of photosynthesis.
Everything green died.
The blight spread by a low order telepathic chain reaction from gene pool to
gene pool, from civilization to civilization, from one core world to another,
radiating from Karsak outward.
Karsak of Triton became a great gray stone, much of its population dying from
starvation. Synthetic chemical diets prolonged the inevitable for a few.
This is the archetypical apocalypse that echoes back to us from the words in
our religious books.
But there is a ray of hope for lifekind. Estro-Companion!
The frequency of the collective planetary consciousness of Estro-Companion
causes it to be immune to the blight. Estro-Companion is spared. The blight
returns to a dormant state and settles back into the primitive consciousness
from which it was awakened.
But it is not over. A growing circle of Companion test pilots, whose eyes have
become windows into time, recognize the ever lurking danger--in the absence of
enlightenment, the blight may reawaken and destroy the mid-worlds.
They accept the responsibility that fate has dealt them. They vow a mission to
carry enlightenment to the mid-worlds. The vow is allowed to sink deep into the
collective living consciousness as a seal upon the self-destruction that must
not be reawakened.
The pilots explore time end to end. And on occasion they visit a port in time,
a huge aerodrome on a moon of Karsak, and pick up another craft for their
fleet.
Always they search for those points in time and realities where there is the
opportunity to remind and to perform their mission.
This is the mission: To assist any civilization that has reached its technical
maturity to pass safely into an enlightened age before it destroys itself.
I remind you that the Earth is a nursery for life. That its photosynthesis is
still intact…
You are going to find that you have a complete recording of all the events my
words have pointed to. All you have to do is learn to listen and look in the
right direction.
-----------------
<< Basically out of greed Harry Palmer added additional courses and
complexity in order to have much more potential income, just as
Hubbard did. LRH's OT levels are additives to Clear, based on trickery
and manipulations and the belief that he, LRH, is the only enlightened
being in the universe. It's very possible Palmer's upper levels have
the same twists; I haven't gone beyond the basic Avatar course, which
I thought was as good as it gets.
Ed
I too thought Avatar was as good as it gets when I took it, and I then went on
to teach it for about a year. It was a pretty good, simple endorphin high
after all the complex Scieno stuff. Remember how he first introduced Avatar?
---------
Center for Creative Learning
15 October 1986
The Avatar Rundown
(Avatar: From Hindu mythology--a deity that has descended to the Earth plane
and assumed a physical form.)
Buckle your seat belts and hang on to your hat. I have just discovered a
rundown that leaves every other rundown in the dust. Be as incredulous as you
please, I expect it. But unless you are prepared to go beyond what you thought
possible, at a speed you believed impossible, don' t have anything further to
do with this rundown.
How long does it take to produce an evolved spiritual being? An Avatar!
You're -just not going to believe how really swiftly it can be done, and I'm
not talking about body disintegration or stepping in front of a train. This
rundown is the end all to case. This is the wrap-up to end all wrap-ups. After
this rundown, life is no more and no less than an experience in skill
development.
The rundown covers the entire span of the Scientology bridge, the Buddhic path,
and beyond. It picks a person up from where ever he is, handles exactly the
thing the person wants handled and moves him rapidly into a very high state of
harmony with existence.
The rundown handles the following:
body discomforts
electronic fields
sensations
negative emotions
unidentified masses
attitudes
mental blocks
stress associated with existence
THOUGHT...
The rundown consists of four sections:
In the first section a person drills with a coach until he has achieved a high
proficiency in the few simple skills that are required for the rundown.
In section two the person receives processing exactly tailored to his needs
until he achieves, and clearly perceives he has achieved a released Avatar
state.
In section three he studies (and contributes to) the Avatar materials and
identifies each of the elements that compose and/or create realities below the
released Avatar.
In section four he masters the application of the Avatar materials and
concludes any involuntary associations or perceptions of discordant realities.
Initially it is expected that the Avatar materials will come strongly under
criticism by individuals and groups that have ulterior financial or control
motives toward man, but all who come in contact with these materials will
surrender their suspicions and ulterior designs to the clear single note of
truth that transcends argument and idea....and brings such bliss as known only
to the Avatar.
Harry Palmer Copyright 1986
-----------------
During his early lectures, Harry also said "There is nothing after Avatar"
(meaning no upper levels), and promised that any new developments would be
included in the Avatar Course and made available to graduates retroactively.
Then along came Wizards at $7,500. I tired of Harry's greed and control trips
pretty quickly, particularly his misrepresentation that his course contains
confidential trade secrets, which it does not.
For the past few years, I have been selling an alternative text called "The
Source Course" to compensate for the lack of take-home notes on the Avatar
Course. See www.sourcecourse.com/
I really don't have any problem with the Avatar Course itself, other than some
subliminal stuff that usually gets laid in by the trainers while people are
hypnotized and suggestible. But I have a big problem with Harry, who is as much
a manipulator and con artist as L. Ron Hubbard ever was, if on a smaller scale.
Best, Eldon Braun
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Lion > N10
I happen to like the workshop space. It's very different than the 1-on-1
student/teacher space.
I actually think it's more powerful if handled well.
The avoidance of relationship is what is being addressed in either case.
In the workshop space, relationship is unavoidable.
The workshop space (might) creates present, intense, consciousness, in
confrontation with the avoidance of relationship.
I think if it attracts you, you should go for it ...
Actually, my intuition suggests you would really enjoy it. I know little
about Avatar and have never even been close, so take this into account ....
Your Lion
> I haven't gone beyond the basic Avatar course, which
> I thought was as good as it gets.
Lion > Ed
What was good about it?
Your Lion
EldonB123 wrote:
>
> << If there is anything similar to upper levels of Scn in Avatar,
> it is not in Avatar but in the later courses such as "Wizards".
>
> You're right there, Ed. In Wizards, you get Harry's entity handling technique,
> quite similar to OT III and NOTS, as well as some outer space stuff about the
> Galactic Confederation. (I haven't taken Wizards, but I've seen the materials
> and discussed it with some people.)
>
> In fact, here is a lecture from the first course in 1991:
> -------------
> I want to start by telling you “the story.”
>
Thanks a million for posting this. I hadn't encountered any of
the Wizards cosmology or whatever it is before. I have to say it comes
from a more benign psyche than LRH's space opera.
[long story snipped]
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>
> << Basically out of greed Harry Palmer added additional courses and
> complexity in order to have much more potential income, just as
> Hubbard did. LRH's OT levels are additives to Clear, based on trickery
> and manipulations and the belief that he, LRH, is the only enlightened
> being in the universe. It's very possible Palmer's upper levels have
> the same twists; I haven't gone beyond the basic Avatar course, which
> I thought was as good as it gets.
>
> Ed
>
> I too thought Avatar was as good as it gets when I took it, and I then went on
> to teach it for about a year. It was a pretty good, simple endorphin high
> after all the complex Scieno stuff. Remember how he first introduced Avatar?
> ---------
> Center for Creative Learning
> 15 October 1986
>
> The Avatar Rundown
>
> (Avatar: From Hindu mythology--a deity that has descended to the Earth plane
> and assumed a physical form.)
[snip]
>
> Initially it is expected that the Avatar materials will come strongly under
> criticism by individuals and groups that have ulterior financial or control
> motives toward man, but all who come in contact with these materials will
> surrender their suspicions and ulterior designs to the clear single note of
> truth that transcends argument and idea....and brings such bliss as known only
> to the Avatar.
>
> Harry Palmer Copyright 1986
> -----------------
>
> During his early lectures, Harry also said "There is nothing after Avatar"
> (meaning no upper levels), and promised that any new developments would be
> included in the Avatar Course and made available to graduates retroactively.
>
> Then along came Wizards at $7,500.
First came Masters. I remember being in the course room in
spring 1987 one day when Harry and Avra were talking about (with
others present) the need to add complexity so there would be more
stuff that they could get people to pay for. Thus was the Masters
Course (which I'm not familiar with) born. The immediate area of
complexity that was available, and which made me uneasy, was Avra's
great expertise in knowing what was going on in the mind of a
struggling student who was unaware of what was going on in his/her
mind. They had the obvious problem of Joe Beesley, who you probably
remember, a very stubborn guy with lots of solid integrity, who spent
weeks and weeks doing the drills because he didn't think he had done
them enough yet.
I tired of Harry's greed and control trips pretty quickly,
particularly his misrepresentation that his course contains
confidential trade secrets, which it does not.
For the past few years, I have been selling an alternative text called
"The
Source Course" to compensate for the lack of take-home notes on the
Avatar
Course. See www.sourcecourse.com/
I really don't have any problem with the Avatar Course itself, other
than some
subliminal stuff that usually gets laid in by the trainers while
people are
hypnotized and suggestible. But I have a big problem with Harry, who
is as much
a manipulator and con artist as L. Ron Hubbard ever was, if on a
smaller scale.
All very well said, as usual, and thanks again.
Ed
Best, Eldon Braun
from here down is Eldon's...
"EldonB123" <eldo...@aol.com> wrote in message
> In fact, here is a lecture from the first course in 1991:
> -------------
> I want to start by telling you "the story."
>
> This particular story has been rising and reappearing in the race
consciousness
> since before the time of the Pharaohs. Everyone who has ever sought to
tell a
> story has ended up somehow telling part of this story.
>
> Many writers tell this story camouflaged with fiction.
>
> It's the story that is contained in our collective subconscious in the
form
> of archetypical images, vague recollections, hunches, instincts, subtle
> recognitions.
I suppose there is a point where an author might need to exploit current
worldly understandings and even tone down his data to prevent incredulity
seeping in. But... I'm suspicious. When somebody who once studied
Scientology, like Harry Palmer, allegedly, starts talking "race
consciousness" and "collective subconscious," I begin to wonder.
Oh sure! There can be "subtle recognitions" in connection with vaguely
expressed concepts but may I point out, "subtle recognitions" are
symptomatic of "not-quite-rightnesses." If the isness was well expressed
there might be cognition, not "subtle recognition" or "vague recollection"
or "hunches" or "instincts."
> It is probably never put into the same words in the same way twice. It
> doesn't have to be, because there are no truths to be found in words.
Words
> are only fingers that point at experiences that echo our own truth back to
us.
Is the above a revelation of just HOW Harry approached his study of
Scientology? If some words didn't point directly at his own experiential
case, they didn't count? Suspicious!
> Sentient beings first appeared on the core worlds of the Milky Way galaxy.
The
> civilizations of Earth are the result of a much later refugee relocation
plan
> that I'm going to tell you about.
>
> "Sentient" means spatially aware of creation. In other words, conscious
> across a distance, perceiving, sensing. A sentient being is a union
between a
> non-material soul-being, YOU, and a biological organism. The soul-being
may or
> may not have the illusion of being dependent on the organism.
>
> The consciousness that exists on the core worlds of the galaxy is somewhat
> different from what we are normally familiar with in the
> mid-pancake-Earth-type-worlds of the galaxy. And it is vastly different
from
> the type of consciousness that exists in the rim worlds of our galaxy.
Here again, my suspicion is that Harry has some weird and perhaps esoteric
(or psychological) definition for "consciousness."
Certainly, Harry is operating along the lines that consciousness is a Q&A
with the mest universe, different according to one's location in the mest
universe.
> The reason for this difference in consciousness arises from the physical
> character of the galaxy.
My case rests.
And I think right after this, Harry is into "thoughts are things." Well,
sometimes they ARE, that's true. That's "sometimes." But all this stuff
about consciousness depends on mest and then, thoughts are mest and can be
attracted gravitationally and influenced by electro-magnetic forces and
stuff - leads into a dangerous quagmire.
Les.
>At the core of the galaxy, the electro-magnetic and gravitational
fields tend
>to be in perfect balance. There is no centrifugal energy. No spinning
masses,
>no rotating worlds, no revolving planets. Force exists in balanced,
unchanging
>vectors. Stasis. Equilibrium.
>At the core of the galaxy, motion is a characteristic found only in
living
>organisms. If something moves, it is alive. Our collective
consciousness still
>has that instinctive response to motion. It’s alive!
>In principle, you could connect the core worlds with a silk thread
and it would
>remain perfectly intact until some living organism altered it. Most
of us still
>have some archetypical images of walking through a nearly motionless
world.
Not quite believable from a physics point of view.
The strength of a gravity field decreases with the square of the
distance to the gravity centre:
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/history/newtongrav.html
That means that the "local" situation has much more influence on the
gravity field surrounding a planet than its location in the galaxy. A
tiny object like our moon has much more influence on the ocean-tides
of earth than the millions of stars in our galaxy.
"worlds you can string silk threads between in the centre of our
galaxy" is an unlikely situation; they would soon collapse together
due to gravity.
In fact, current Science indeed believes that the centre of the galaxy
is a huge black hole: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2334357.stm
Note the quote in the above link: "It comes from observations of a
fast-moving star which orbits close to the hole" which means that
there are fast moving stars near the centre of our galaxy (the article
mentions S2, a star which is 15 times more massive than the Sun, and
flies at a speed of an astonishing 5,000 kilometres (3,000 miles) per
second). This thoroughly invalidates the assumption that the centre of
our galaxy is in "perfect balance".
Conclusion: this story is a nice piece of fiction but it has
absolutely nothing to do with the current real universe.