Re: Well Then....What Does Work?
Homer Wilson Smith
>> It is easy to audit a pc who just wants to be 'better' able to be
>> human and who is still on his basic GPM purposes, hasn't crossed over
>> etc.
>I don't know what you mean by "crossed over".
Most GPM's have a cross over point in the middle of them wherein
the pc's starts to take on valences more and more like what he was
originally opposing until at the end of the GPM the pc is almost
directly opposite to what he started out as.
The cross over items are generally bland, pc trying to be neither
the positive or the negative but well on his way towards the negative
as he continues his descent down the GPM structure.
>> Real earth shaking OT's on the other hand that can and will
>> change the course of history are a different matter, most people don't
>> even want them around the org, they 'enturbulate' the noodles and ruin
>> their games of enthusiasm.
>Real earth-shaking OTs? Well, I've met plenty of actualized people. Never
>met anyone who could as-is the physical universe at will, or generate
>matter, or do telekinesis, or do telepathy, etc.
These are hidden standards. OT abilities are more what happens
down the road after the being has been there. You know that.
They roll the rock up the hill and it stays there. Others roll
it up but it falls back down and once they are dead and gone, history
might as well not have had them do anything at all.
>>>First you handle rudiments, and if rudiments haven't been handled in a
>>>while, probably best to do a form (I forget the scientology forms names)
>>>that addresses common types of bypassed charge/rudiments.
>>
>> Sorry, had hundreds of hours of rudiments that went exactly no where.
>Sounds like rudiments weren't your item: then again, I didn't know we were
>discussing your case.
Always discussing my case.
The problem was standard tech demanded the floating needle BEFORE
session start, so pc walks in with high TA, and/or no float and they
start to run everything in the book to get the F/N so they can start
session. Its a circus.
As you say audit what the pc is stuck in, but don't depend on
human assessment forms like the C/S 53RJ or other boatloads of shit to
find it.
>> Once the channels that are better left shut are opened, there is
>> no going back to a floating needle. pc will have a chronic high TA
>> until he is fully exterior with full perception.
>I think that's just a consideration. Not to say it isn't valid for you, but
>I'm not at all sure it is universally a held consideration. Since we're on
>an open forum and you are discussing it, I hope you won't take this as a
>personal evaluation, but simply as a technical discussion. Where a person
>has an item which is essentially a problem of long duration (for you this is
>an "eternal" item, yes?), all other processing will essentially have to take
>a back seat, and is likely to be a complete failure. The problem of long
>duration must be handled first. Weren't the LX lists designed for such
>items? I forget. At any rate, I can see why simple rudiment handling
>wouldn't cut it.
Frankly nothing would cut it but life itself. THe whole idea
that a being can sit down in front of someone else and actually do
something for their core case is apriori nuts.
And yet to be proven if you ask me.
Yes help can be useful and necessary, but in the end the being
must walk his own path alone, help just gets in the way. You train
perhaps, you guide, orient, but then the guy has gotta walk the walk
of life and get his auditing the real way.
If any auditor thinks he knows enough to sit down with any given
being and run his whole case from beginning to end without that pc
getting 10 times the auditing from life than he is from the auditor,
well then I would say you have a bullshit case in the auditor
dramatizing lies and making money.
We weren't ALLOWED to make case gain out side of session when
I was with the Church. If you had a cog out side of session you
were soloing, self auditing, squirreling or figure figureing rather
than doing your post. Electra's 'Cog Tax' said it well.
ftp://ftp.lightlink.com/pub/archive/electra/exm0.memo
I can't imagine a more suppresive atmosphere.
It's basically an enforced communication, you had better make
case gain in session while I am talking to you or else!
>> I had 300 hours of Life Repair, got nowhere on it, except more
>> and more sad.
>That makes sense, especially if the Life Repair was robotic. I'd love to
>hear Alan's chime on this one.
Alan thinks I am a whining asshole unworthy of auditing.
"He wouldn't help me if I wanted it." My rendition of a direct quote.
>> At the time I was in the Church, the average person couldn't even
>> *UNDERSTAND* my items, let along run them, and I certainly wasn't
>> going anywhere near them lest I die in the process.
>Understood. Average people don't understand their shoelace knots. One
>would hope that the Senior C/S at the org knew their shit a little bit
>better than the average person. However, there are idiots on post
>everywhere, when you declare all your tech staff suppressive!
The Senior C/S at Flag hadn't a clue. So much for Scientology
and me.
>That's probably a good policy! It sounds like you respect Alan's opinion on
>Ascension/Descension handling? If so, why have you not gone the knowledgism
>route on this? Or even contracted Alan directly, if possible?
Well for one Alan insists on my signing a non disclosure
agreement as to what was run and what my codes end up being.
Unfortunately my voice can't be owned, its against my codes.
Secondly I have talked with Alan enough to know he hasn't a clue.
Most likely no one does.
That used to be a problem to me, mostly it exceeded my
credibility and acceptance level. Hubbard made me think it had all
been taped out. I had no clue how far gone an infinite being can get.
Now I have some humility in the matter, life is my auditor, I
grant life and life alone any altitude, and every once in a while I
talk with people on a peer to peer basis.
Sometimes I even pay them for the priviledge of educating them.
Anyone pretending to know something, well I say let's nail them
to a cross, let's see how close they are to their God now.
Homer
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Homer Wilson Smith
>> Correction lists are a waste of time, as they don't contain the
>> data that needs to be audited.
>>
>> Homer
>If the PC doesn't know, how would you expect the auditor to know? That's
>asking for evaluation. Sounds like more trying to handle inaccessible
>items, a route destined for failure and red-tag sessions.
OK, perhaps you are right.
Perhaps just as wide opens come up to being black V's,
'accessible' cases come up to being inaccessible, once the human
drivel has been run off.
Or maybe I am just a NCG inaccessible case, and everyone
else is gayly walking across the Bridge as originally promised.
God I hate being the last one to never cross.
Makes me want to blow up their damn bridge so they can't
cross it too.
Kevin Brady
that's an accurate transliteration of what you wrote, below.
Auditing/processing discharges case, but life gives the indicators, points
the way, and is what we judge our progress by: I don't care if your TA is
floating if you are a delusional, irresponsible jackal.
Life is the session.
"Homer Wilson Smith" <ho...@lightlink.com> wrote in message
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Kevin Brady
across "the Bridge" that actually seemed totally happy and able, to me.
I've known several who made that claim who seemed like salesman and
psychotics, to me, also.
Characteristic that matters to me? Serenity and a preference for
communication over any type of manipulation or force.
"Homer Wilson Smith" <ho...@lightlink.com> wrote in message
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Homer Wilson Smith
>I agree completely with the idea that life is the ultimate process, if
>that's an accurate transliteration of what you wrote, below.
Yes, and with a little orientation, solo plus life becomes a
workable route. It helps to have someone who has a clue to guide, but
at some point one exceeds extant clue and one must go it alone.
Homer
>Auditing/processing discharges case, but life gives the indicators, points
>the way, and is what we judge our progress by: I don't care if your TA is
>floating if you are a delusional, irresponsible jackal.
>Life is the session.
>"Homer Wilson Smith" <ho...@lightlink.com> wrote in message
>news:2007012902...@adore.lightlink.com...
>> Kevin Brady (gomo...@hotmail.com) wrote:
>>
Homer Wilson Smith
>I've only known a few people who claimed to have made it the whole way
>across "the Bridge" that actually seemed totally happy and able, to me.
>I've known several who made that claim who seemed like salesman and
>psychotics, to me, also.
I have found for most of the people I have known, that standard
tech produces well and happy little shits, who can not think a thought
beyond their well and happy little shitness.
Characterists that matter to me are able and willing to not know.
Homer