Koos arrested for murder?
ptsc
and cited the paper he says it appeared in. Could someone check on the
existence of this news article and post it unaltered if it exists?
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Subject: FLASH!!! Critic arrested on suspicion of murder
Date: 25 Sep 2000 11:45:57 -0700
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This is a story Tilman failed to report.
Koos Nolst Trenite taken by police for suspected murder....
A friend in Munich sent me this translation of an article in Abendzeitung on
September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos. This tragic event, was the result of
a deranged mind driven to violence by the hate spread on a.r.s.
ABENDZEITUNG 22.09.2000
THE MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF FREYA
Did the father kill the nineteen year old?
Freya N. was only 19 years old when the ambulance was called to her death on the
25th of December 1999. When the medical man entered the room, a bad feeling
came over him: In the whole house in the small village near Forchheim, the song
"Oh Haupt voll Blut und Wunden" (Oh Head full of blood and wounds) by Bach
resounded deafeningly.
The father of the deceased, Jakobus N., and his son Nils (18) were standing
motionless in the room -- no crying, no sorrow. The doctor called the police.
The autopsy established that Freya N. had drowned. Three quarters of a year
later, her death is still considered unsolved and the public prosecutor is
investigating.
Yesterday morning, the police picked Jakobus N. up in handcuffs -- he was sent
to a psychiatric clinic because he was considered to be a public menace.
For several years, his family was subject to his methods of torture. He
tortured his wife Carla (named changed) with gushes of cold water. The 60 year
old: "What if he has done the same to Freya?"
On that day in December, after Freya's death, Jakobus N. gave a letter, written
by Freya, to the criminal police: "This morning, I took another cold bath of the
minutes," his daughter had written the morning of the day of her death. Which
19 year old voluntarily takes a cold bath in winter? And notes that down? The
answers can be found with Carla N., Freya's mother. After years of torture, she
took refuge in the womens' house in Nurnberg in 1997. When the artist met her
husband 24 years ago, he was a member of the Scientology sect. Jakobus' life
goal, to move up in the sect hierarchy, was however prevented by sect leaders.
In that time, Freya and Nils were born, and in 1983, Flavia. At that time, the
family was living in Heidelberg. When the weak baby was sick and could hardly
breathe, Jakobus forbid calling a doctor or using nose drops, and Carla obeyed.
Ten days after her birth, the child suffocated. The doctor attested the sudden
death of the child. In the Internet, he later distributes his delusion. "L.
Ron Hubbard was trying to kill him hereafter," Carla N. describes his frame of
mind. Freya had to update the web pages daily. Carla N. succeeded in running
away to the women's house, and the children remained with the father. Just after
Freya's death, the public prosecutor proposed the father be arrested. Jakobus N.
remains in freedom, the police were searching for evidence.
"Did Jakobus N. torture her to death?" a question the mother has been asking
herself over and over since then. The senior public prosecutor Friedrich Kraus
is still investigating the death of Freya.
roger gonnet
ptsc <pt...@my-deja.com> a écrit dans le message :
jr10tskgbnpdqrvtc...@4ax.com...
> Some OSA idiot posted this admittedly altered news article to ars,
> and cited the paper he says it appeared in. Could someone check on the
> existence of this news article and post it unaltered if it exists?
If those goons admit (unless ostensibly ridiculizing) that the only fact of
reading ars can lead someone -even a kook like kooks - to murder, then,
that's one argument more: the rants and craps and hate - war language from
elrong can be the main causes of some murders inside scientology.
That can include Lisa, Stacey Moxon, etc.
roger
yduzitmatter
as claimed in the original post. The Abendzeitung does exist - I found
the website but there was no mention of such an article that I could
find. My German is fairly fluent but I may have missed something the
URL is
http://www.abendzeitung.de/my/view.php3?session=-1441051788&n=:d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e
Y
Tilman Hausherr
<jr10tskgbnpdqrvtc...@4ax.com>:
>Some OSA idiot posted this admittedly altered news article to ars,
>and cited the paper he says it appeared in. Could someone check on the
>existence of this news article and post it unaltered if it exists?
German newspapers do sometimes change the names, and almost never post
the full names or photographs of suspects. And things like the infamous
"perp walk" are unthinkable here.
--
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Phil Scott
<Robert_Sch...@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>CB Willis <cbwi...@adore.lightlink.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
>39d0b...@news2.lightlink.com...
>>
>> If this is false, Koos and Freya could refute it on the net and/or by
>> someone calling to talk with them.
>>
>> - CBW
>
>My intuition tells me that it is true.
>
>Alas!
It is interesting no more posts from Koos since then, and on such a
hot issue too. Someone should call his house. A few on the NG have
or can get his phone number.
>
>RSL
>
>
Robert_Schulze_Lutum
CB Willis <cbwi...@adore.lightlink.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
39d0b...@news2.lightlink.com...
>
> If this is false, Koos and Freya could refute it on the net and/or by
> someone calling to talk with them.
>
> - CBW
My intuition tells me that it is true.
Alas!
RSL
i_m_s...@my-deja.com
German), but check out Koos' website:
http://www.ambassadorformankind.org/
It sez: "The Ambassador for Mankind Foundation
will be closed. Koos is at the moment in a mental
hospital, and will be staying there for an
unknown amount of time."
Later d00dz
In article
<jr10tskgbnpdqrvtc...@4ax.com>,
ptsc <pt...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Some OSA idiot posted this admittedly altered
news article to ars,
> and cited the paper he says it appeared in.
Could someone check on the
> existence of this news article and post it
unaltered if it exists?
>
> Path: spln!rex!extra.newsguy.com!
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Boudewijn van Ingen
>I can't verify the article itself (don't speak
>German), but check out Koos' website:
>
>http://www.ambassadorformankind.org/
For those of you that are web-impaired, here is the complete text:
+++
>Serious mistakes recognized
>
>To all who have been and are involved,
>
>Serious mistakes have been made in the research that was directed
>by Koos Nolst Trenite. The hidden intentions of Koos, of who he
>actually is, are now being looked into by me (Tulka) and Noel. Koos
>had motives of self-importance and absolute certainty of his
>rightness.
>
>I received severe physical beatings by Koos, and severe vulgar
>language shouted at me by Koos, for six to 24 hours at a time. This
>Koos justified by various means, for instance that I refused to see
>his viewpoint, or that I was being mindcontroled by various people to
>not agree to him. I at that time accepted those physical beatings and
>vulgar language, because Koos made me believe, during and afterwards,
>that I was making it necessary for him to so called "restrain" me.
>
>No matter how true you might think the data to be, it still does not
>justify those physical actions, and certainly not, if they are
>supposedly coming form an Archangel.
>
>As you may have noticed when reading or listening to the data written
>by Koos or recorded from sessions, the data was not looked or
>discussed or corrected for errors by anyone else than Koos himself.
>This already disqualifies the data form being research data. It is,
>as a matter of fact, and especially under those circumstances, only
>information that Koos intended to use in order to achieve
>justification for is actions.
>
>The physical violence and vulgar language by Koos, is not something
>new. He did the same to Freya and also to Jutta, for his same reasons.
>This behavior of his is not in any way justifiable, by anything.
>
>The Ambassador for Mankind Foundation will be closed. Koos is at the
>moment in a mental hospital, and will be staying there for an unknown
>amount of time.
>
>I still want to find out what actually is the truth behind all the
>data that I have given in the sessions, and I will look into it in the
>future, if anyone else is also interested in hearing the results, just
>let me know.
>
>I and Noel are at the moment cleaning up the rests of Koos' mess, and
>are tring to start a new life. I will be returning to San Francisco
>Bay Area, Noel will be staring a new life in Germany. Any support that
>you can give us, if emotional, or even physical, if by helpful
>contacts, or even financially, to help us through this time.
>
>With love from,
>
>Me (Tulka) and Noel
>
>Noel Nolst Trenite
>Herbstwiesen 10
>D-91090 Gaiganz
>Germany
>
>Tel: +49 9199 697149
>E-Mail: Noel....@Trenite.de
+++
Groeten,
Boudewijn.
Ellen Fink
Robert_Schulze_Lutum wrote:
>
> CB Willis <cbwi...@adore.lightlink.com> schrieb in im Newsbeitrag:
> 39d0b...@news2.lightlink.com...
> >
> > If this is false, Koos and Freya could refute it on the net and/or by
> > someone calling to talk with them.
> >
> My intuition tells me that it is true.
Meine sagt das Gegenteil, weil Koos noch vor wenigen Tagen
hier gepostet hat
--
Regards Ellen / Talena (-SP2-)
---------------------------------------------------
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Jahrtausend am 01.01.2000 begonnen hat.
Piltdown Man
ptsc <pt...@my-deja.com> wrote...
<snip>
> A friend in Munich sent me this translation of an article in Abendzeitung on
> September 22, 2000. The names have been changed to hide the identity of the
> family, but "Jakobus N" can only be Koos.
"Jakobus" is to "Koos" what Edward is to Ted or Joseph to Joe. Quite possibly
Koos's legal first name, therefore.
Steve Zadarnowski
>If this is false, Koos and Freya could refute it on the net and/or by
>someone calling to talk with them.
It is false. Virtually everything is wrong about the posting
except that its in Germany. Newspapers, as a rule, don't
screw up every available fact. Besides, the posting can't
even be validated as coming from a newspaper.
S
---
"If it smells like ass, its Scientology!"
"Just bum data, bum data, bum data, bum data,
alter-is, alter-is, bum data." - LRH, SHSBC
Steve Zadarnowski
>If this is false, Koos and Freya could refute it on the net and/or by
>someone calling to talk with them.
Well, I went to the website and seen the words. I'm dubious
about the claimed murder but I'm sure he really is in the
nut house.
Tilman Hausherr
Zadarnowski) wrote in <39d208ab...@news.m.iinet.net.au>:
>cbwi...@adore.lightlink.com (CB Willis) wrote:
>
>>If this is false, Koos and Freya could refute it on the net and/or by
>>someone calling to talk with them.
>
>It is false.
It is true. I called Noel. I do also have a 95% copy of the newspaper
article from a reliable source. And german newspapers do change names
sometimes. Noel has a hard time before him, because in the future, when
people search for his name on the net, they'll probably still find lots
of stuff :(
--
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William Barwell
Abendzeitung paper's editors and enquire about it?
Pope Charles
SubGenius Pope of Houston
Slack!
William Barwell
>I can't verify the article itself (don't speak
>German), but check out Koos' website:
>
>http://www.ambassadorformankind.org/
>
>It sez: "The Ambassador for Mankind Foundation
>will be closed. Koos is at the moment in a mental
>hospital, and will be staying there for an
>unknown amount of time."
>
This is all so sad....
Cornelius Krasel
> In article <39D0332E...@sympatico.ca>,
> yduzitmatter <yduzit...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Abendzeitung paper's editors and enquire about it?
At least one problem is that the www.abendzeitung.de is the Munich
edition while I suspect that the article on Koos was reported in
the Nuremberg edition (which does not appear to be on the web),
since Gaiganz (the village where the Trenite's live) is near Nuremberg.
Another problem is that there are apparently no archives available
online.
Since it appears that Tilman got a xerox of the article in question,
I guess that the translation that was posted was not altered.
--Cornelius.
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William Barwell
Cornelius Krasel <kra...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:
>William Barwell <wbar...@starbase.neosoft.com> wrote:
>> In article <39D0332E...@sympatico.ca>,
>> yduzitmatter <yduzit...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> Abendzeitung paper's editors and enquire about it?
>
>At least one problem is that the www.abendzeitung.de is the Munich
>edition while I suspect that the article on Koos was reported in
>the Nuremberg edition (which does not appear to be on the web),
>since Gaiganz (the village where the Trenite's live) is near Nuremberg.
>
>Another problem is that there are apparently no archives available
>online.
>
>Since it appears that Tilman got a xerox of the article in question,
>I guess that the translation that was posted was not altered.
I kind of had hoped there had been some error actually.
This is depressing....
realpch
[snip]
>
> I kind of had hoped there had been some error actually.
>
> This is depressing....
That's how I feel too. I didn't read many of Koos' posts after the first
few, but I'd read a little bit from time to time, and I visited his
website. I thought that it was harmless lunacy, or at least I hoped so.
Peach
Jeff Lee
> Cornelius Krasel <kra...@wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de> wrote:
>>
>>Since it appears that Tilman got a xerox of the article in question,
>>I guess that the translation that was posted was not altered.
>
Has anyone actually seen a copy of the actual newspaper with the article
in it?
It's relatively easy to fake a photocopy of a newspaper article.
(I'm not saying I refuse to believe it -- evidence suggests that the story
is at least partially true -- but it would be nice to have some
authentication of the article.)
--
Jeff Lee shi...@gate.net http://www.gate.net/~shipbrk/
"The only thing that helps me maintain my slender grip on reality
is the friendship I share with my collection of singing potatoes."