Agent Provocateur
Mike McClaughry
Re: Agent Provocateur
At 2:10 PM on 20 August 2002, the telephone rang and I did not answer it.
The caller ID said the telephone number that called was 414-332-9800, which
tracks to Wisconsin.
The telephone then rang again and I answered it. The caller ID said the
telephone number that called was 414-332-2780, which tracks to Wisconsin.
A male asked to talk to Virginia and I said she was not at home and talked
to him myself.
The man said he was outside of the Church getting his grades from a Class 12
auditor.
He said he had been reading our web sites and was confused about how to do
his Bridge. He wanted to know if we delivered auditing and I said no. He
wondered what the Rons Org OT levels were about and were they part of the
Bridge. I told him you do up to OT 3 and then you are ready case-wise for
the Rons Org OT levels.
He wondered how to get the RO OT levels and I told him - from the RO web
site.
He then wanted to know where RTC was building an underground facility with
landing pads. I said that CST was doing that and that he should ask CST that
question. He acted like he did not know what CST was, how would he get in
contact with them. I told him to call RTC and ask them how to contact CST.
In a snickering tone of voice he made fun of the idea that aliens would land
there. I told him to ask CST about all of that, I have no data on aliens
landing there.
He wondered where I got the data that they were building an underground city
and I said from the construction workers at the site. He wanted to know
where this was so he could go there and see what was going on and I told him
to ask CST that question.
He then asked why someone does not just get a gun and kill David Miscavige.
I told him we do not advocate violence as a solution. He stayed on this
point for a couple of minutes, trying to talk me into that this would be a
good idea. I told him a gun is not going to solve this problem. I told him
to read our web sites and he would see that we do not think violence is a
solution. When I pointed out that Martin Luther King and Ghandi won their
causes for freedom without violence – he got off of that subject.
In a snickering tone of voice he said he not seen anyone with any OT
abilities beyond something like ESP. He wondered if I had. I said yes. He
dropped it.
In a snickering tone of voice he questioned that I talk with Ron because he
is dead and he wondered if Ron was just floating around or something. I
said – No, he has another body. He said that makes sense and dropped it.
He wondered if I knew someone in Wisconsin who could deliver the Bridge. I
said no but wondered why that would matter since you are getting auditing
from a Class 12.
I then asked for his name and he said it is William Freudenwald. I asked for
the name of the Class 12 auditor giving him his grades and he said he did
not think it would be good to say the name on an open telephone line. I
asked - Why not, what does he think is going to happen to him if he says his
name? He then abruptly ended the phone call without telling me the name of
the Class 12.
- - - - -
After the call – we did a little investigation. The telephone number
414-332-2780 is the fax telephone number of American Biotek Labs and we
found that William Freudenwald works there.
American Biotek Labs, Inc.
3950 N. Holton St.
Milwaukee, WI 53212
PHN: (414) 332-9800
FAX: (414) 332-2780
American Biotek Labs, Inc. specializes in fermentation biotechnology … All
products and technologies are targeted toward organic waste treatment and
recycling naturally.
- - - - -
Some internet posts by William Freudenwald follow -
http://www.trade-board.com/detail.php?siteid=9928
Optima European Trade Board – Connecting Traders
European export import trade board is a full service for traders that
performs traditional commodity trading and international commerce based on
sources and distribution over the Internet.
Contact Person - William Freudenwald
Title - International Director
Company - American Biotek Labs, Inc.
Location - 3950 North Holton Street, 3950A North Holton Street
Phone 414-332-9800
Fax 414-332-2780
PAGODA TRADE
7414 Nicholson Rd.
Caledonia, WI 53108
United States
For further information please contact:
William Freudenwald,
Phone: 262-835-2021
Fax: 262-835-4540
The above listed through WorldBizClub
Business-to-business electronic procurement platform
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http://forumhub.com/tnhistory/22294.15197.05.13.20.html
From: William Freudenwald (@ 208.157.63.60)
Date: Apr 30, 2001 16:37:48
I want to meet a Tamil Siddha who will show me the way to Aruba Samadhi like
Bogar or Thirumular. Show yourself to me Gurudiva!
Need Tamilnadu Guru with direct lineage from Thirumular
Topic started by William Lee Freudenwald (@ 208.157.63.62) on Wed Apr 18,
2001
Hello,
Kind greetings to you. I am searching for a true Siddha Guru who will show
me the way to Siva. He must be wise, powerful, shine with the golden hugh of
God and not seeking chelas, for I seek him who alone seeks Siva. Find me
such a being and you will be rewarded. I must learn the way of the 18
Siddhas, before whom I humbly bow.
May Ganesh guide my search
Namaste
Note:
The sanskrit word Namaste means 'I bow to the divine in you.'
In much of the world today, people do not shake hands when they meet. For
Hindus, the greeting of choice is "Namaste," the two hands pressed together
and held near the heart with the head gently bowed as one says, "Namaste."
- - - - -
In Summary –
I believe the main purpose of this telephone call was to try and talk me
into committing a crime. In other words, William Freudenwald was acting as
an agent provocateur.
For the record – I do not hate David Miscavige.
For the record – I do not believe violence is a solution to problems.
My solution is AS-IS-NESS (truth).
Our web sites educate and communicate truth about the 3rd and 4th Dynamic
engrams.
That is the only solution we need.
* * * * *
Re: Agent Provocateur – Part 2
The next question that arises is - who is William Freudenwald an agent for?
Another purpose for his call was to further the black propaganda campaign on
us.
He implied that I was crazy for stating that CST was building an underground
city. He wanted to know where I got that idea and when I said from the
construction workers at the site, he dropped it. Apparently he never
bothered to read my posts about it, but just acted on black propaganda about
it from whomever he is connected to that opposes us.
Here are my actual posts on the subject:
From: mike - cha...@icehouse.net
To: COSinvestigations
Date: Jan 17, 2001
Subject: CST
From Mike:
Hey Everybody - I'm back!! Taking a break sucks, I have a 190 e-mail backlog
to read. But there is good news - my break uncovered something.
HOT NEWS FLASH
CST is secretly building an underground city in northern California. The
construction workers are only allowed to work a month at a time and then
they are fired and replaced with new ones. What they are currently
constructing on the surface, cannot be determined from ground level. But you
can see what it is from an aerial view. It is two large circles, connected
as in the sign of infinity, each of which appears to be a landing and
launching pad for spacecraft.
Why does CST need an underground city with landing/launch pads? To store
their squirreled Scientology tech? I DON'T THINK SO! This blows their "shore
story" or "cover" for all of their digging, i.e. to bury the tech
underground for future generations. They're burying a lot more than the
tech, and here we go again with WITHHOLDING VITAL INFORMATION from the
remainder of us Scientologists and the rest of the world.
We'll have more details on all of this later today, including some satellite
photos of the area Virginia found on the net.
From: mike - cha...@icehouse.net
To: COSinvestigations
Date: Jan 18, 2001
Subject: CST
Having just discovered that CST is secretly constructing an underground CITY
in northern California, no doubt is a motivation for their extreme money
demands. Building a CITY (especially an underground one) ain't cheap - it
would likely cost billions.
- - - - -
Here is a post from basicbasic wherein he scoffs at the data on CST -
From: basic...@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology
Date: 20 Jan 2002
BTW which COS facility is it again being used as a hanger for marcabian
flying saucers?
Here is a post from basicbasic stating that Alan Walter is a Class 12 -
From: basic...@my-deja.com
Newsgroups: alt.clearing.technology
Date: 8 Nov 2001
Allen Walter (class12 studied and worked with LRH and a friend) was an
obvious plant. You should have caught on to him earlier though. It is well
known in the Freezone that he is friends with Ralph …
- - - - -
In summary –
Birds of a feather flock together.
I believe this answers the question – who is William Freudenwald an agent
for?
Ralph Hilton
-0700 in msg <3d69...@news2.lightlink.com>, :
>From: Mike McClaughry
>
>
> Re: Agent Provocateur
>
>At 2:10 PM on 20 August 2002, the telephone rang and I did not answer it.
>The caller ID said the telephone number that called was 414-332-9800, which
>tracks to Wisconsin.
It was one of my agents. I assigned him to the Markabian RPF so he won't
bother you again.
--
Ralph Hilton
http://www.ralphhilton.org
Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org
FZAOINT http://www.fzaoint.org
C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/
anon...@anon.lightlink.com
Well, class, have you all been paying attention?
The summary of this week's lessons from the Little
Bunch in Idaho is
1.) Do not visit the website, your headers will be
examined and you will be traced all over the net
and your info kept in HASI B-1 files.
2.) Do not call the McClaughrys as your fone number
will be traced.
a.) If you absolutely MUST call, do so from a public
payphone
b.) If you call, do not leave your name or you will
be traced all over the net and your info kept in
HASI B-1 files.
Although there is no sane purpose for these activities,
consider yourselves duly warned.
Exams on the Mike Mc post will be given on Friday.
Bring your demo kits.
Zeno of Elea
Kheinsa
It is not right or logical to attack those who work to restore
standard tech.
You can do what you wish with the tech as you want but it is not
standard tech.
I have followed this stuff for a long time and all I found is a lot of
people who like to altered the tech or attack as agents to alter the
tech.
It doesn't matter if there is any aliens behind it or not. I happen
to think we are not alone in this universe.
I am perceptive enough to see that there is more than what is obvious.
I stoppe posting her for I didn't like how it was out here. A lot of
critisim and attacks.
Anyone that is for standard tech is great in my book. I know for I was
deadfiled in my fight for standard tech. That told me the truth of the
matter. The critics in a way have it right in some ways. They know
people who fight for standard tech is thrown out. I have had a lot of
virus sent to me because I stand for it and posted here.
I think some of you know a lot of good data. I think some has MU's on
it. I like the critics that use factual data and are not there to
destroy it at all costs.
So I know this will get me some attacks and I know I will be made fun
of in this post. That is what I learned it doesn't matter. Standard
tech and getting OT is what matters. Saving souls that will be harmed.
I am still recovering from what I call what mike's site says. Reverse
tech. I doubt my upset was any accident now. It was expertly done.
So you are either helping or hurting or just plain doing nothing. I
rather save souls.
I have seen enough damage of souls in my life. I say stop it now.
I visit the site daily and I am not attacked. I was thought to be an
agent at one time. The correction was sent back to me and a sorry was
given me. I do not intend to hurt people who fight for standard tech.
I blew up on tha matter before.
So Mike is probably right. Such a phone call would send warning flags
to me too. I can see it myself.
I feel sorry for those who attack different viewpoints and is out to
hurt others. As Vicky Ford said There is karma. Those who hurt will
hurt.
Thanks Mike for the update. Now I bet I will get more attacks just for
speaking up for the tech. I will go back to working on my life. So I
don't know if I will post again.
For Standard Tech
Kheinsa
Paul Matulef
be considered an attack?
From what I can tell, most problems have only come up
when on person or group feels they have the best and only
approach to a subject. In this case, clearing tech.
Personally, I think it's just great that there are still
people around who are interested in preserving some form
of standard tech. That doesn't mean I would choose to
apply it, but it provides an alternative to those who want it
and gives us an opportunity to see what results might be
had with it over a longer period of time.
I could still bet you that as soon as you get a number of
people interested in "standard" tech, that you would soon
have arguments over what "standard" really was too. In fact,
that already seems to be happening.
What some of the standard guys don't always see is that
"standard" tech wasn't necessarliy really so workable
in the end for a lot of people.
Kathie Lynch
"I have watched most of the great auditors quit auditing because of
"Standard
Tech." Not because they were not standard, but they had run into the
"know-bester's" Service facsimile called "Standard Tech."
"The statement "Standard Tech" has become a raging service fac in itself,
where-in an organization or practitioner makes self right and others wrong.
Worse it is used to STOP processing. To STOP auditors. To STOP pc's getting
full EP's. To eliminate workable technology. To dominate."
That says it all right there! I think that many of those that fight for
"standard tech" are those who can't think for themselves and would rather be
'other determined' because they won't or can't accept responsibility for the
condition they're in.
Kathie
"Alan C. Walter" <wis...@cyberstation.net> wrote in message
news:DB3c9.10331$o23.9967@fe02...
>
> "Kheinsa" <Khe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:7c7bf58e.02082...@posting.google.com...
>
> > This is for the people who stand for standard tech.
> >
> > It is not right or logical to attack those who work to restore
> > standard tech.
> >
> > You can do what you wish with the tech as you want but it is not
> > standard tech.
>
> Kheinsa what is Standard Technology?
>
> Do you have a clue?
>
> Do you even know what these two words mean?
>
> You are blathering on about a subject you have not a smidgen of
> understanding.
>
> I have audited for over 40 years, C/Sed millions of hours. In all those
> years I have never ran across a session that was the same as any other
> session.
>
> I have watched most of the great auditors quit auditing because of
"Standard
> Tech." Not because they were not standard, but they had run into the
> "know-bester's" Service facsimile called "Standard Tech."
>
> The statement "Standard Tech" has become a raging service fac in itself,
> where-in an organization or practitioner makes self right and others
wrong.
> Worse it is used to STOP processing. To STOP auditors. To STOP pc's
getting
> full EP's. To eliminate workable technology. To dominate.
>
> The only reason people leave Scientology is because they are STOPPED from
> running their areas of charge to full EP.
>
> The original Class VIII course defined STANDARD as: "That which is proper
> and adequate for a specific purpose."
>
> Main Entry: tech·nol·o·gy
> Pronunciation: -jE
> Function: noun
> Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
> Etymology: Greek technologia systematic treatment of an art, from technE
> art, skill + -o- + -logia -logy
> Date: 1859
>
> 1 a : the practical application of knowledge especially in a particular
area
> : ENGINEERING 2 <medical technology> b : a capability given by the
practical
> application of knowledge <a car's fuel-saving technology>
>
> 2 : a manner of accomplishing a task especially using technical processes,
> methods, or knowledge <new technologies for information storage>
>
> 3 : the specialized aspects of a particular field of endeavor <educational
> technology>
>
> Main Entry: 1pro·cess
> Pronunciation: 'prä-"ses, 'prO-, -s&s
> Function: noun
> Inflected Form(s): plural pro·cess·es /-"se-s&z, -s&-, -"sEz/
> Etymology: Middle English proces, from Middle French, from Latin
processus,
> from procedere
> Date: 14th century
>
> 1 a : PROGRESS, ADVANCE <in the process of time> b : something going on :
> PROCEEDING
>
> 2 a (1) : a natural phenomenon marked by gradual changes that lead toward
a
> particular result <the process of growth>
>
> (2) : a natural continuing activity or function <such life processes as
> breathing>
>
> b : a series of actions or operations conducing to an end; especially : a
> continuous operation or treatment especially in manufacture.
>
> Technology and a Process have the common denominator of starting,
changing,
> and completing something.
>
> Add to this the purpose of processing is the full regaining of ability.
>
> A full regained ability means you have mastered something fully and can
> repeat it at will, and you are at the top of the tone scale as you do it.
> This manifests as Very Good Indicators.
>
> If you fully holographically understand these 4 points, you can take any
> life process and run it to full EP.
>
> Do this often enough on enough basic processes and you cannot fail at
life.
>
> Standard Technology is the easiest thing to observe possible.......Life is
> fun, you live it passionately, expansion comes naturally, you rise up the
> org boards of life effortlessly, there are no problems just challenges.
> There is unlimited space, time, energy, (money,) and you have whatever
> material things you want.
>
> And if the above is not present then there is a good chance you are not
> doing standard technology, but are stuck in a low level fixed Mobius Loop.
> >
> > I have followed this stuff for a long time and all I found is a lot of
> > people who like to altered the tech or attack as agents to alter the
> > tech.
>
> None worse than those who profess to be the 'only' "Standard Techists."
> >
> > It doesn't matter if there is any aliens behind it or not. I happen
> > to think we are not alone in this universe.
> >
> > I am perceptive enough to see that there is more than what is obvious.
> > I stoppe posting her for I didn't like how it was out here. A lot of
> > critisim and attacks.
> >
> > Anyone that is for standard tech is great in my book. I know for I was
> > deadfiled in my fight for standard tech. That told me the truth of the
> > matter. The critics in a way have it right in some ways. They know
> > people who fight for standard tech is thrown out. I have had a lot of
> > virus sent to me because I stand for it and posted here.
> >
> > I think some of you know a lot of good data. I think some has MU's on
> > it. I like the critics that use factual data and are not there to
> > destroy it at all costs.
> >
> > So I know this will get me some attacks and I know I will be made fun
> > of in this post. That is what I learned it doesn't matter. Standard
> > tech and getting OT is what matters. Saving souls that will be harmed.
> > I am still recovering from what I call what mike's site says. Reverse
> > tech. I doubt my upset was any accident now. It was expertly done.
>
> Yes, it was probably done in the name of Standard Tech, or Standard Admin
or
> Standard Ethics.
> >
> > So you are either helping or hurting or just plain doing nothing. I
> > rather save souls.
> >
> > I have seen enough damage of souls in my life. I say stop it now.
> >
> > I visit the site daily and I am not attacked. I was thought to be an
> > agent at one time. The correction was sent back to me and a sorry was
> > given me. I do not intend to hurt people who fight for standard tech.
> > I blew up on tha matter before.
> >
> > So Mike is probably right. Such a phone call would send warning flags
> > to me too. I can see it myself.
> >
> > I feel sorry for those who attack different viewpoints and is out to
> > hurt others. As Vicky Ford said There is karma. Those who hurt will
> > hurt.
> >
> > Thanks Mike for the update. Now I bet I will get more attacks just for
> > speaking up for the tech. I will go back to working on my life. So I
> > don't know if I will post again.
>
> I will be interested in finding out if you feel this is an attack or an
> attempt to expand your knowledge of Standard Tech?
>
> Alan
> >
> > For Standard Tech
> > Kheinsa
>
>
>
basicbasic
> Alan C. Walter said:
>
> "I have watched most of the great auditors quit auditing because of
> "Standard
> Tech." Not because they were not standard, but they had run into the
> "know-bester's" Service facsimile called "Standard Tech."
>
> "The statement "Standard Tech" has become a raging service fac in itself,
> where-in an organization or practitioner makes self right and others wrong.
> Worse it is used to STOP processing. To STOP auditors. To STOP pc's getting
> full EP's. To eliminate workable technology. To dominate."
Hi Kathie,
This is a recent post?
Though primarily an admin terminal rather than a tech terminal, the
above has been my observation too. I have seen "standard tech" used
primarily as make wrong. In the freezone the prime exponents of this
view
are Mike and Virginia McClaughry and associates. They have condemned
ALL
efforts to deliver tech as non standard. And yet do not themselves
offer services. One could call this a stop.
In COS a meter course can now take up to more than two years. This
from people who tried to. A stop.
As a member or a freezone internet org, I have had comm with many.
Being stopped on the bridge and the tech is a common denominator.
Progress in the freezone can be very swift in comparison. I could
give examples of seasoned SO members who were yet at the beginning of
the bridge, within less than two years in the FZ doing nots and
auditing the
levels. They of course worked hard.
One of the keys is getting rid of arbitraries. This takes great
skill and training. And freedom to apply it.
Tech Dict:- 4) Standard tech is not following a process or a series
of processes. It is following the rules of processing.
5) That tech which has absolutely no arbitraries.
And finally what I consider the last word in KSW, :-
"I consider all auditors my friends. I consider them that even when
they squirrel. I believe they have a right to express themselves and
their own opinions. I would not for a moment hamper their right to
think. I think of auditors and Scientologists as the Free People."
...
"I don't expect auditors or Scientologists to instantly agree with or
seize upon whatever I say. I would be offended if they did and would
feel they weren't a Free People. Since they are intelligent I expect
them to think over what's said, try it, and if it's good for them, use
it. That old auditors sooner or later come back to and use what I have
discovered isn't any testimony to our relationship at all, it's only a
testimony to my being right because I meant to be right in the first
place."
...
"I sorrow when I see somebody accomplishing less than he should
because he thinks I wouldn't approve of it. In organizations and out I
count upon initiative and good judgment.
L. Ron Hubbard, PAB 79, 10 April 1956, THE OPEN CHANNEL
Paul Matulef
basicbasic wrote:
This alludes to what seems so amazing about the whole scene
of stopping auditing in or out of the church for any reason.
When in the church, they were SO focused on applying every last
policy (in addition to high prices) that most people never got
anywhere near the amount of auditing that they came in for.
Even with the varieties of independent, or squirrel, or altered
or whatever auditing going on outside of the church as well, when
you consider the fact that most people are either ineligible or
could never afford auditing in the church (or in the standard tech
world) that how could it ever be considered an overt to deliver
some auditing and help to an individual who would never get
services on a timely basis anyhow?
The bottom line is a lot of people are looking for help.
The church isn't providing it.
Many who clamor for "standard tech" aren't providing it.
Even the sea org guys who are working round the clock to
keep things "organized" or to promote or to stop alternatives
are not providing any real help.
Wouldn't this sort of activity be considered an overt compared
to just offering some kind of actual auditing to a person?
Kheinsa
>
> "I have watched most of the great auditors quit auditing because of
> "Standard
> Tech." Not because they were not standard, but they had run into the
> "know-bester's" Service facsimile called "Standard Tech."
Is this a make wrong for people who practice standard tech?
You know something I know what is and isn't standarad tech. Standard
tech works. Non standard tech leaves you a blind ally with nowhere to
go. Every science has a standard approach to it. Electricity does. You
must plug in the the plug to your computer system to get it to work.
Now that is the basic rules of science. This stuff has to do with the
science of life. So standard tech helps a being. Anything that don't
help a being is not standard and is out tech.
I know I am not an auditor but I am not stupid either. I have been the
perverbal PC. I know what is not standard and that is not handling
ARC breaks, Not handing the PC and lying to the PC. Pushing the pc to
go faster to call them OT before they are really OT.
There are basic rules to life and living and that is the standard
tech. Anything that goes against this is out tech. Any thing that
changes that so it don't work is altered tech.
I have a good question for one and all. If you liked changed tech and
not standard tech why are you working for the church?
I see here some people who say they are OT. Hell I am more Ot than
that. I don't critise and pick at people because they posted something
that is not liked. I don't call them crazy in public either. It took
me a long while to figure this stuff out here and I get it now. I am
OT in the best way to be OT. I have learned how to treat others. I
doubt I will post here more anyways. I will let you guys who like what
they are doing to do that. It is not Ot to be critical. It is ok to
discuss and disagree.
So I think this does go beyond just plain disagreements. There must be
more to this than I see. It doesn't matter anyhow for I am not going
to deal in the freezone of people who critise. It shows poor PR and TR
and thinking for you guys. IF that is OT then I don't want it.
Because I grew up living like that. So you think being non standard is
the way to go. TEhn go do it be my guest.
Well lets see if your computer works when they use non standard tech
in it. Advances is always will be but that is also usually based on
standard tech too.
So I am not likely to post here as I see it is pointless. I now get
it. I have things to do in my life anyways. I have mostly recovered
from my ARC break that almost killed due to the un(standard tech) the
church now uses. So I guess you can have it. It is yours what you do
with it and I will not go to your new churches or anything like it and
I will not recommend it either to anyone else I know. If I wanted
altered tech I would have went back to the church. So you call pick
at me and say it is a make wrong or it is a service fac. I don't care
what you say. Finially I get it.
What is said here about the church and you say it is standard tech, is
not standard tech and you know it. You know the church is stopping
OT's and auditor from being made so don't compare standard tech to the
church's tech.
With ARC and to the tech that does work.
Kheinsa
>
> "The statement "Standard Tech" has become a raging service fac in itself,
> where-in an organization or practitioner makes self right and others wrong.
> Worse it is used to STOP processing. To STOP auditors. To STOP pc's getting
> full EP's. To eliminate workable technology. To dominate."
>
> That says it all right there! I think that many of those that fight for
> "standard tech" are those who can't think for themselves and would rather be
> 'other determined' because they won't or can't accept responsibility for the
> condition they're in.
>
> Kathie
>
Rest is snipped.
I know my way now. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction
and it is not what is generaly considered the freezone or the church.
I will find my way in the dark for the tech is the light.
Be well and maybe I will see you on the otherside one day. LEt it be
so.
Kheinsa
C of A
Kheinsa wrote:
> I know I am not an auditor but I am not stupid either.
I woudn't put money on that.I wouldn't even bet pigshit on that.
C of A.
Paul Matulef
Kheinsa wrote:
The issue isn't whether someone chooses to use or promote "standard
tech" themselves or on others who make the decision to apply it.
The issue is using LRH Policy and "standard tech" to suppress or
attack others who make a different decision on how to apply auditing
techniques or run their lives.
There are many policies and procedures in "standard tech" that make
it a crime to do anything else. In that case, one is applying "standard
tech" or keeping scientology working to make trouble for others.
The church, for example has a long history of using "standard tech" to
stop people. We have enough examples of this and do not need any more.
RedFred
> "Kathie Lynch" <kathi...@cox.net> wrote in message news:<0D5c9.23490$Fb.12...@news1.west.cox.net>...
> > Alan C. Walter said:
> >
> > "I have watched most of the great auditors quit auditing because of
> > "Standard
> > Tech." Not because they were not standard, but they had run into the
> > "know-bester's" Service facsimile called "Standard Tech."
>
> Is this a make wrong for people who practice standard tech?
No, this appears to me to be one person's observation of first hand experience. Sadly it appears to be
wide spread enough to be typical, thus the generalization of calling it a 'service facsimile'.
I rather doubt it was meant as a slight on you but rather a reaction to what is now become a 'button'.
Alan Walter did a fine job of defining 'standard tech' and putting it in it's proper perspective.
"That which is proper and adequate for a specific purpose."
A very broad term, yes?
>
>
> You know something I know what is and isn't standarad tech. Standard
> tech works. Non standard tech leaves you a blind ally with nowhere to
> go. Every science has a standard approach to it. Electricity does. You
> must plug in the the plug to your computer system to get it to work.
> Now that is the basic rules of science. This stuff has to do with the
> science of life. So standard tech helps a being. Anything that don't
> help a being is not standard and is out tech.
Ron said this many times in many ways. Standard tech is that tech that is workable and raises the tone of
the individual. In _Science of Survial_ he defined what is "valid processing" So I don't see any real
disagreement on these points.
>
>
> I know I am not an auditor but I am not stupid either.
Of course not! Any one who would suggest otherwise would be guilty of INVALIDATION!
You might in a small sense consider yourself a third dynamic auditor for placing attention on a third
dynamic engram an communicating about it on a tiny scale like what is done on that intgrity.org website you
refer to.
> I have been the
> perverbal PC. I know what is not standard and that is not handling
> ARC breaks, Not handing the PC and lying to the PC. Pushing the pc to
> go faster to call them OT before they are really OT.
We've heard a lot about that on the net. :-(
>
>
> There are basic rules to life and living and that is the standard
> tech. Anything that goes against this is out tech. Any thing that
> changes that so it don't work is altered tech.
Correct! And who's for altered tech? No one I know except for possibly some Global Enslavers but I
haven't seen any lately.
>
>
> I have a good question for one and all. If you liked changed tech and
> not standard tech why are you working for the church?
Some feel the Church has been taken over at the top. Called the 'junta'. I keep thinking there is room
for Reform. Much has been said and there have been a few starts at it. But it's early in the 'duration'.
>
>
> I see here some people who say they are OT. Hell I am more Ot than
> that. I don't critise and pick at people because they posted something
> that is not liked. I don't call them crazy in public either. It took
> me a long while to figure this stuff out here and I get it now. I am
> OT in the best way to be OT. I have learned how to treat others. I
> doubt I will post here more anyways. I will let you guys who like what
> they are doing to do that. It is not Ot to be critical. It is ok to
> discuss and disagree.
>
> So I think this does go beyond just plain disagreements. There must be
> more to this than I see. It doesn't matter anyhow for I am not going
> to deal in the freezone of people who critise. It shows poor PR and TR
> and thinking for you guys. IF that is OT then I don't want it.
> Because I grew up living like that. So you think being non standard is
> the way to go. TEhn go do it be my guest.
>
> Well lets see if your computer works when they use non standard tech
> in it. Advances is always will be but that is also usually based on
> standard tech too.
>
> So I am not likely to post here as I see it is pointless.
I take it then you have an ARC break with the Freezone?
Please, could you be a little more specific and we'll call on some of the big deal tech people to help you
get this resolved.
Are you currently in the Church? I mean do you alternate being in the Freezone and then back to the
Church and back and forth? What is your plan?
>
> I will find my way in the dark for the tech is the light.
Good luck on your journey! :-)
Robert D.
>"Kathie Lynch" <kathi...@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:<0D5c9.23490$Fb.12...@news1.west.cox.net>...
> > Alan C. Walter said:
> >
> > "I have watched most of the great auditors quit auditing because of
> > "Standard
> > Tech." Not because they were not standard, but they had run into the
> > "know-bester's" Service facsimile called "Standard Tech."
>
>Is this a make wrong for people who practice standard tech?
>
>tech works. Non standard tech leaves you a blind ally with nowhere to
>go. Every science has a standard approach to it. Electricity does. You
>must plug in the the plug to your computer system to get it to work.
>Now that is the basic rules of science. This stuff has to do with the
>science of life. So standard tech helps a being. Anything that don't
>help a being is not standard and is out tech.
>
>perverbal PC. I know what is not standard and that is not handling
>ARC breaks, Not handing the PC and lying to the PC. Pushing the pc to
>go faster to call them OT before they are really OT.
>
>tech. Anything that goes against this is out tech. Any thing that
>changes that so it don't work is altered tech.
>
>not standard tech why are you working for the church?
>
>that. I don't critise and pick at people because they posted something
>that is not liked. I don't call them crazy in public either. It took
>me a long while to figure this stuff out here and I get it now. I am
>OT in the best way to be OT. I have learned how to treat others. I
>doubt I will post here more anyways. I will let you guys who like what
>they are doing to do that. It is not Ot to be critical. It is ok to
>discuss and disagree.
>
>So I think this does go beyond just plain disagreements. There must be
>more to this than I see. It doesn't matter anyhow for I am not going
>to deal in the freezone of people who critise. It shows poor PR and TR
>and thinking for you guys. IF that is OT then I don't want it.
>Because I grew up living like that. So you think being non standard is
>the way to go. TEhn go do it be my guest.
>
>Well lets see if your computer works when they use non standard tech
>in it. Advances is always will be but that is also usually based on
>standard tech too.
>
>it. I have things to do in my life anyways. I have mostly recovered
>from my ARC break that almost killed due to the un(standard tech) the
>church now uses. So I guess you can have it. It is yours what you do
>with it and I will not go to your new churches or anything like it and
>I will not recommend it either to anyone else I know. If I wanted
>altered tech I would have went back to the church. So you call pick
>at me and say it is a make wrong or it is a service fac. I don't care
>what you say. Finially I get it.
>
>What is said here about the church and you say it is standard tech, is
>not standard tech and you know it. You know the church is stopping
>OT's and auditor from being made so don't compare standard tech to the
>church's tech.
>
>With ARC and to the tech that does work.
>Kheinsa
Kheinsa,
What is your definition of "standard tech"? What, to you, constitutes
standard tech and what doesn't?
RD
Kheinsa
I don't know who blocked my access to my posting through Google but as
you see I am here. There is more than one computer in the world and
this is a public computer.
Ok thank you for asking that question. For me standard tech is the
tech that Ron created that works to help others. It is not used to
hurt others or make others wrong.
It is the product that counts. I mean this, anything can be used for
good or bad even the tech. The purpose to help and do what is right to
make a being better and be free. When someone plays around and alters
good tech and use it for make wrong it is not standard tech. It is
suppressive.
So a computer can be used for good or bad. It is the same machine it
is how it is used.
So standard tech that follows the rules of life is it. Not using it
for bad stuff.
So I am not likely to post anymore as I am blocked by someone who must
have used my ISP ID to spam google. Or somehow. It doesn't matter
anways I think I made my point.
Take care and goodbye.
Robert D.
wrote:
>Robert D. wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:45:38 -0500, "Alan C. Walter"
>><wis...@cyberstation.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Spew!
>>>
>>>Rant!
>>>
>>>Attack!!
>>>
>>>Make nothing of!
>>>
>>>15 months have gone by and you haven't changed one iota!!!! Even your text
>>>has not changed......
>>>
>>>Of course I am below death, I can span the spectrums.
>>>
>>>I'M AT THE TONE LEVEL OF "KP PUNISHING KP's PSYCHOTIC SUPER-IMPOSED
>>>PROJECTIONS....!!"
>>>
>>>JUST MATCHING YOUR HIGHEST TONE LEVEL!!!!
>>>
>>>Does anyone else exist in your enemy filled world? Or is your world filled
>>>with self-generated negative psychotic super-impositions?
>>>
>>>ONLY AWARE OF OWN EVALUATIONS FITS NICELY AS YOUR PERCEPTION LEVEL AND
>>>OPERATING STATE.
>>>
>>>POOR KP....HAS TO LIVE WITH KP.
>>>
>>>Alan
>>
>>You're answering nothing but a bundle of circuits, machinery, and ser
>>facs. He's in the God valence and responds positively only to praise
>>and worship.
>>
>>I think it's beneath your dignity do so. Nobody of any importance
>>pays a bit of attention to his rants anyway.
>
>You would like to believe that but you know that isn't true.
>
>Alex
What specifically are you referring to?
RD
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On Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:45:38 -0500, "Alan C. Walter"
><wis...@cyberstation.net> wrote:
>
>>Spew!
>>
>>Rant!
>>
>>Attack!!
>>
>>Make nothing of!
That's Alan for you!
>>15 months have gone by and you haven't changed one iota!!!! Even your text
>>has not changed......
Ooooops!
YOU CAN'T READ!
>>Of course I am below death, I can span the spectrums.
FROM ENEMY DOWN TO UNKNOWABLE!
>>I'M AT THE TONE LEVEL OF "KP PUNISHING KP's PSYCHOTIC SUPER-IMPOSED
>>PROJECTIONS....!!"
And your other HALLUCINATIONS!
>>JUST MATCHING YOUR HIGHEST TONE LEVEL!!!!
Sorry! MO*RON!
MY GAME IS
*PRODUCING*
BODHISATTVAS!
I don't match your tone!
>>Does anyone else exist in your enemy filled world?
YOU are the one constantly dramatizing ENEMY!
>Or is your world filled
>>with self-generated negative psychotic super-impositions?
NO!
My world is about BODHISATTVAs!
>>ONLY AWARE OF OWN EVALUATIONS FITS NICELY AS YOUR PERCEPTION LEVEL AND
>>OPERATING STATE.
Oooops!
That's *YOUR* EVALUATION!
I'm glad you are aware of it!
THANKS FOR PLAYING!
>>POOR KP....HAS TO LIVE WITH KP.
>>
>>Alan
Thank Glob I don't have to
live with 400+ pounds of Alan!
Rubhard DuCharMe:
>You're answering nothing but a bundle of circuits, machinery, and ser facs.
Which are MUCH smarter than you!
>He's in the God valence
I do NOT PRETEND to be a God!
THAT'S YOU!
"Remembering" the time before time,
and all the universes were created!
>and responds positively only to praise and worship.
Whereas YOU respond positively to a good thrashing!
That brings you UP tone to DRAMATIZING ENEMY!
>I think it's beneath your dignity do so.
Apparently Alan disagrees with you!
>Nobody of any importance
>pays a bit of attention to his rants anyway.
>
>RD
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> OT9 is about Orders of Magnitude.
snip
> Ralph Hilton
This sounds suspiciously like a hidden data line. The Revenius writings
would align with the notion of "Orders of Magnitude" as I see it. But, if I
read that material right, super power is not OT9 - merely a version of it
you might run before than point.
So, you have real materials, yes? Publishable materials?
Nick
Ralph Hilton
in msg <anht5m$q2a$2...@news.minx.net.uk>, :
>snip
>> OT9 is about Orders of Magnitude.
>snip
>> Ralph Hilton
>
>This sounds suspiciously like a hidden data line. The Revenius writings
>would align with the notion of "Orders of Magnitude" as I see it.
There was an issue some years back giving upper OT level awareness levels.
Orders of Magnitude
Character
Operating
Future
Robert D.
wrote:
It's not hidden data, it was the stated EP for OT9 many years ago when
OT 8,9,10, and 11 along with their EPs were first announced. At that
time (early '80s) OT 8, 9, 10, and 11 turned out to be the old OT 4,
5, 6, and 7. Since then New OT8 became a separate rundown with its
own series of processes.
RD
Alexander
Read you words "Nobody of any importance..." and meditate for three
days or something. Everybody has some importance! It's a all about
viewpoints.
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Ralph "LRH-TOO!" Tilton Hilton:
>` >True. Seems about the right "R" factor.
>` >
>` >OT9 is about Orders of Magnitude.
>` >
>` >Maybe LRH figured that after OT8 someone
>` >should be able to confront that its
>` >going to take a long time and a lot of daily auditing to get to OT.
KP:
>` YES!
>`
>` FIFTY YEARS OF LIES,
>` CRIME AND CORPSES!
>` NOT ONE "CLEAR"!
>` NOT ONE "OT"!
>`
>` JUST IDI*OTS, MO*RONS AND
>` D*RON*E ROB*OTS LIKE YOU!
>` >The tech works. All that is required is application.
>` You just need to FIGURE-FIGURE
>` WHY NO ONE CAN APPLY IT, and
>` there are *NO* "CLEARS" or "OT"s!
>`
>` THANKS FOR PLAYING!
Naoya Kinjo:
>I know the Church of Scientology have not had
>workable tech, for as we know, they have neither
>produced a clear as described in Book One, nor an
>OT as described in the materials from 1960s on.
Exactly my point!
>They - and we - have been working hard having our
>preclears erase chains of engrams till they have
>what is called a clear cognition.
Thus *MOCKING UP* "PRE-clears", "chains" and "engrams",
EVEN THOUGH THEY DON'T EXIST = *HALLUCINATING!*
>It made auditors feel better about tech as well as preclears.
Until they start to recover from their DUB-IN MOCK-UPS.
>here was some progress toward betterment of mankind,
Here was massive unconsciousness and
criminality posing as spiritual attainment!
>no doubt about it.
In WHOSE mind?
I have plenty of doubts.
I DID see some good!
I saw MUCH more evil!
NO one above Enemy!
>but what we have produced wasn't really clears.
Exactly my point!
Not even close!
$pyontology produces
the criminally insane!
>As the Church Bridge was extended to pre-OT and OT
>levels, we put aside our vague doubts about tech
>and worked on.
WHO did that?
>We have been letting go of body thetans, etc, and sure,
Or at least PRETENDING to let go of booty satans, etc . . .
>some of us really looked great after completion of those levels,
"Great" to WHO?
I have never seen a $pyontology product
stably above ENEMY. Usually they top
out around GLEE or ELATION at best.
Those are often high-profile upstats like Alan,
Tommy, or Ralph, not the truly psychOTic like
DuCharMe, Waste-O-Wurdz or phILL wILL.
Of course, WHEN I was in ENEMY I THOUGHT
I was "OT" too, in my SUPER-POWER identity!
If one rises much higher, they come up to DOUBT,
and are instantly ATTACKED by the borganization
for LOOKing at what is or Daring to ask questions.
>but the fact still remained that we were unable to tilt a planet.
Yes. Even *WANTING* to tilt a planet instantly
diagnoses one as very seriously out of valence!
You KNOW that would
cause massive extinctions,
. . . don't you?
Don't you have better things to do with your time?
What about working on *YOUR* AWARENESS?
>Well, as a matter of fact, most of us
>still cannot even tilt an automobile other than
>through the use of our physical body.
Yes. But fortunately most of us do not need to!
If you can tilt an automobile directly with thought
. . . YOU CERTAINLY DO *NOT* NEED ONE!
YOU CAN FLY!
>50 years have passed since the beginning of Dianetics.
Yes. Flushed down the $pyontology toilet!
Along with countless lives and possibilities!
And a few billion dollars of marks' money!
>It is time we looked back on the history of what we have been doing
>and spotted what it has been that we did and have been doing wrong.
YES!
MY POINT
EXACTLY!
$PYONTOLOGY!
$pyontology *IS* wrong!
When you correct it, it
doesn't exist any longer!
BUT I CERTAINLY *DO* FULLY AGREE THAT:
It is time we looked back on the history of what we have been doing
and spotted what it has been that we did and have been doing wrong,
as well as doing right, and . . . gosh, that's ucp, isn't it! :-)
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>You, too, Mr. Penday,
Yes. I *DO* that . . . constantly!
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>unless you can tilt an automobile without
>a single motion of your physical body.
Is that *YOUR* goal for yourself?
HOW ABOUT GOING SANER?
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*YOU* CAN WIN!
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