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Ralph Hilton

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I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
LRH2 and Revenius identities.

I did it at a point where I felt the FZ was suffering a bit from
Pilot being exposed. It was also a point where I hit a lot of
cognitions that didn't match with my normal beingness.

Quite a few things happened at the same time and I wanted to create a
new approach without being encumbered by my usual identity.

I hit an extremely strong release point and wrote up the Revenius
posts.

Unfortunately it closed in again and I couldn't create all of the
Super Power series as I wanted to.

It wasn't altogether a lie in that I felt for a brief time that I had
the original spirit of what LRH intended within me.

To create all of Super Power I'll need a lot of help. I'll need a lot
of feedback and I can't do that behind a false identity.

This evening I realized what the OT levels should be and I want to
thank and acknowledge all those who contributed on the list.

It is a new nexus for those who want to be involved. But now I'll do
it in my own name.

Clear:
A being who has recognized that he is mocking up his own reactive
mind.

OT1:
A being who has total certainty of survival as an individual.

The progression to OT8 should be obvious.

This is the first release of OT1 rather than pre-OT1.

Once a person has reached the state of Clear run this process:

Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
Create a counter postulate to that.

Run alt rep to EP.

At the moment I'm not sure how Super Power fits in.

I'll have to see what feedback I get from this post.

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basic...@my-deja.com

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In article <sjviqsgqbjudemkm8...@4ax.com>,

This is a strange coincidence.I was almost or the first to mock
you.I am now the first(I think) to validate you.This tech is the best
I've seen.I now consider I have judgement in this area as many highly
trained people agree with that.

"The progression to OT8 should be obvious." Afraid I need help on
that one.

It looks like the Pilot was right.It needs more than one individual.

You are one of them.One of the best.

The concept that there is even more to superpower,is amazing.

We wait with bated breath.

basicbasic


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thomlove

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Hi Ralph;

You don't look like you're 12 years old! You aged fast!

thomlove

Saint Xine

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:52:37 -0700, thomlove
<thomlov...@netscape.net> wrote:

>Hi Ralph;
>
>You don't look like you're 12 years old! You aged fast!
>
>thomlove
>
>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
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>> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
>> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>>

Nope. Not going for it.

Xine


anon...@electra.lightlink.com

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in message <sjviqsgqbjudemkm8...@4ax.com> Ralph Hilton
<ra...@hilton.org> wrote in thread "Revenius unveiled", on 27 Aug 2000
17:37:26 -0400, :


Ralph Hilton wrote:
>I think its about time to confess.
>As several suspected I created the
>LRH2 and Revenius identities.


Dear Ralph:

Thank you for your candor.

I guessed you immediately.

You denied it. I still thought
it was you and said so here.

I *LOVE* TO BE RIGHT!

It *WAS* LOTS of fun to see the idiots
and wankers falling over themselves
to suck "LRH2's" cock, who wouldn't
give YOU the time of day.

>I did it at a point where I felt the FZ was suffering a bit from
>Pilot being exposed. It was also a point where I hit a lot of
>cognitions that didn't match with my normal beingness.

You flopped valences.

>Quite a few things happened at the same time and I wanted to create a
>new approach without being encumbered by my usual identity.

You needed a new identity because
the old one you were "out of valence
into" didn't "work" for you any more.

When you finally get yourself UP
ABOVE DEATH, you will NOT be
worried about what valence you
are in. YOU WILL JUST BE YOU!

DO UCP AND SEE!

>I hit an extremely strong release point and wrote up the Revenius posts.

Translation: you flopped valences into
a very "powerful" PRETENSE IDENTITY.

>Unfortunately it closed in again and I couldn't
>create all of the Super Power series as I wanted to.

Translation:
Your hallucinations turned out to be just . . .
hallucinations . . . and you flopped valences again.

>It wasn't altogether a lie in that I felt for a brief time that I had
>the original spirit of what LRH intended within me.

"All men are my slaves, and women grovel at my feet!"
You were a good little slave. He must be happy with you.

>To create all of Super Power I'll need a lot of help.

All the "help" in the world can't make your hallucinations real.

>I'll need a lot of feedback and I can't do that behind a false identity.

You already have PLENTY of feedback.
Unfortunately, your pretense valences
and fixed ideas keep you from duplicating.

You don't have to be
in a false identity:
DO UCP AND SEE!

>This evening I realized what the OT levels should be and I want to
>thank and acknowledge all those who contributed on the list.

Translation:
MORE HALLUCINATIONS!

>It is a new nexus for those who want to be
>involved. But now I'll do it in my own name.

I do NOT want to be involved in your hallucinations.

>Clear:
>A being who has recognized that he is mocking up his own reactive mind.

In other words, just about any insane nutter on the loose.

>OT1:
>A being who has total certainty of survival as an individual.
>
>The progression to OT8 should be obvious.

More delusions of "dynamics"!

>This is the first release of OT1 rather than pre-OT1.

This is just more HALLUCINATION
and dub-in from Mr. out of valence.

>Once a person has reached the state of Clear run this process:

50 YEARS OF LIES!
NOT ONE "CLEAR"!
NOT ONE "OT"!

>Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
>Create a counter postulate to that.
>
>Run alt rep to EP.

And a Reptile EP would be?

>At the moment I'm not sure how Super Power fits in.

Perhaps it doesn't!

>I'll have to see what feedback I get from this post.
>

WANT TO STOP FLOPPING
IDENTITIES? DO UCP AND SEE!


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Heidrun Beer

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:41:52 -0400 (EDT), Saint Xine wrote in
<q6rjqs0ld20d3bhk6...@4ax.com>:

>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:52:37 -0700, thomlove
><thomlov...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>Hi Ralph;
>>
>>You don't look like you're 12 years old! You aged fast!
>>
>>thomlove
>>
>>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>

>>> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
>>> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>>>

>Nope. Not going for it.
>
>Xine


That's interesting. Why?

You think it's somebody else? You posted several hints during
these weeks and months. Did you have any data which would point
at another person?

Heidrun Beer

Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training
http://www.sgmt.at

thomlove

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Hi Ralph;

Out of curiosity, why didn't you post this in the Revenius group?

thomlove

Ralph Hilton wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>

> I did it at a point where I felt the FZ was suffering a bit from
> Pilot being exposed. It was also a point where I hit a lot of
> cognitions that didn't match with my normal beingness.
>

> Quite a few things happened at the same time and I wanted to create a
> new approach without being encumbered by my usual identity.
>

> I hit an extremely strong release point and wrote up the Revenius
> posts.
>

> Unfortunately it closed in again and I couldn't create all of the
> Super Power series as I wanted to.
>

> It wasn't altogether a lie in that I felt for a brief time that I had
> the original spirit of what LRH intended within me.
>

> To create all of Super Power I'll need a lot of help. I'll need a lot


> of feedback and I can't do that behind a false identity.
>

> This evening I realized what the OT levels should be and I want to
> thank and acknowledge all those who contributed on the list.
>

> It is a new nexus for those who want to be involved. But now I'll do
> it in my own name.
>

> Clear:
> A being who has recognized that he is mocking up his own reactive
> mind.
>

> OT1:
> A being who has total certainty of survival as an individual.
>
> The progression to OT8 should be obvious.
>

> This is the first release of OT1 rather than pre-OT1.
>

> Once a person has reached the state of Clear run this process:
>

> Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
> Create a counter postulate to that.
>
> Run alt rep to EP.
>

> At the moment I'm not sure how Super Power fits in.
>

> I'll have to see what feedback I get from this post.
>

> This is PGP signed with the OTCO key.
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Saint Xine

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On 28 Aug 2000 02:43:41 -0400, Heidrun Beer <con...@atnet.at> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:41:52 -0400 (EDT), Saint Xine wrote in
><q6rjqs0ld20d3bhk6...@4ax.com>:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:52:37 -0700, thomlove
>><thomlov...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Ralph;
>>>
>>>You don't look like you're 12 years old! You aged fast!
>>>
>>>thomlove
>>>
>>>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>>>
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>>>> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
>>>> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>>>>
>>Nope. Not going for it.
>>
>>Xine
>
>
>That's interesting. Why?
>
>You think it's somebody else? You posted several hints during
>these weeks and months. Did you have any data which would point
>at another person?
>

A mix of data, observations, and airy-fairyness:

Praater acted like a total clueless newbie on IRC, in a most un-Ralph
way. He came in from a .nl account.

My alarms went off at the start and I paid particular attention to
Praater. He appeared suddenly and stayed long - most newbies start
with short visits. And when he did talk, there was some familiarity
to his style, although it wasn't Ralph.

He went to #entheta and lurked for hours. Ralph isn't stupid enough to
do that, either. He may have been debriefed by Ralph on the who's who
of IRC. He asked me "what brought me to IRC" and asked Sten why Simon
was being kicked.

He then renicked to Revenimus during a netsplit and his ensuing
cluelessness (idling and walking off) made it impossible to recover
the channel for a couple of days. He was messaged with no result.
He was *finally* smurfed off and the channel recovered.

The IP address traced to a dsl account in the Netherlands. Since I am
not as net savvy as I would like, I asked two smart guys to verify it
and they did.

At the risk of sounding airy-fairy, it didn't *flow* like Ralph.
Ralph can act. He can't change his signature. And I actually think
more of what Ralph has written than I do LRH2s.

There aren't that many people who understand scientology tech well
enough to fake being LRH. There are only two in the .nl. And only
one, AFAIK, who has net access. And only one who is puffed up enough
to consider doing something like that.

Also, Ralph revealed who he was after Sten posted #scientologylies
logs on ars. I had told Alan in private chat what I've told you here.
Alan told Sten some of these things in the logs that were posted. You
can see Sten's response in the logs he posted to ars.

I once told Ralph that Sten knew things. Ralph said, essentially, that
Sten only knew what he was told.

I think it's Otto. And I think Ralph is covering it.

Ralph's stuff is better than LRH2s. It can be thought with, is not
overblown, and isn't rote.

Ralph's lying.

Xine


Phil Scott

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:52:37 -0700, thomlove
<thomlov...@netscape.net> wrote:

>Hi Ralph;
>
>You don't look like you're 12 years old! You aged fast!

Ralph didnt see his fake Revenimus returned Hubbard gig as lying,
thats a fringe benefit of cult involvement apparently.

>
>thomlove
>
>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
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>> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
>> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>>

Robert D.

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Early on, Ralph had mentioned to me about his involvement in the
Revenius posts. By then I could not be deterred because of the
experiences I had had. In fact, it only confirmed what I'd suspected
all along - that someone was "channeling" LRH (though Ralph doesn't
fully agree with the term "channeling" as an explanation for what
happened in his case)

In the weeks prior to the advent of Revenius (LRH-2), one of my
clients, who has high level OT perceptions, said on three different
occasions after an L3XD session that he noticed the presence of an
extremely powerful being in my space. One time I asked him what the
intention of that being was, and he said in reply something like
"curiosity or interest in your process". I had recently made the
final adjustments to it to make it as workable and efficient as
possile. It was in its final stage of development. This client had
been getting phenomenal gains from the process,

Some time after revenius started posting and before Ralph contacted
me, two people independently related to me, out of the clear blue,
that they had channeled the LRH being. They had never said anything
like that before, and have not said anything like that since. In
fact, only one person had ever told me that before and that was 33
years ago.

That's why I felt confident that Ralph had "channeled" the LRH being's
data during the time of his "extremely strong release point",
providing us with writing and data that had a different flavor to it
than Ralph's usual writings.

I know that LRH was fond of "shore stories", so the 12 year old boy
story would be just another in a long line of them. And then again
maybe there is a 12 year old boy somewhere readying himself for a life
of politics. Who knows?

In any case, however he presented himself, I don't think it really
matters in the end. If the results of his advent are beneficial, then
that's all that should be important in the end. And if things DID
turn out for the better in the end, then maybe that's further evidence
of the reality of Revenius.

Robert D.

anon...@electra.lightlink.com

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in message <paskqs0pgvrhbrfo3...@4ax.com> Saint Xine
<xi...@altavista.net> wrote in thread "Re: Revenius unveiled", on Mon, 28
Aug 2000 07:29:13 -0700, :


>>>>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>>>> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
>>>>> LRH2 and Revenius identities.

>>>Nope. Not going for it.
>>>
>>>Xine


Heidrun Beer:


>>That's interesting. Why?
>>
>>You think it's somebody else? You posted several hints during
>>these weeks and months. Did you have any data which would
>>point at another person?


Saint Christine:


>A mix of data, observations, and airy-fairyness:
>
>Praater acted like a total clueless newbie on IRC, in a
>most un-Ralph way. He came in from a .nl account.

I don't know who Praater is and how that relates to "LRHTOO."

>My alarms went off at the start and I paid particular attention to
>Praater. He appeared suddenly and stayed long - most newbies start
>with short visits. And when he did talk, there was some familiarity
>to his style, although it wasn't Ralph.
>
>He went to #entheta and lurked for hours. Ralph isn't stupid enough to
>do that, either. He may have been debriefed by Ralph on the who's who
>of IRC. He asked me "what brought me to IRC" and asked Sten why Simon
>was being kicked.

If you are stupid enough BELIEVE in "the tech",
AND stupid enough to pretend to be "LRH-TOO",
it's very difficult to say you are NOT stupid enough
to do something else that reeks of cluelessness.

>He then renicked to Revenimus during a netsplit and his ensuing
>cluelessness (idling and walking off) made it impossible to recover
>the channel for a couple of days. He was messaged with no result.
>He was *finally* smurfed off and the channel recovered.
>
>The IP address traced to a dsl account in the Netherlands. Since I am
>not as net savvy as I would like, I asked two smart guys to verify it
>and they did.
>
>At the risk of sounding airy-fairy, it didn't *flow* like Ralph.
>Ralph can act. He can't change his signature. And I actually think
>more of what Ralph has written than I do LRH2s.

It's ALL figure-figure nonsense about SYMBOLS,
whether it's Phatso, Ralph, LRH2 or Otto Roos.

>There aren't that many people who understand
>scientology tech well enough to fake being LRH.

You forgot the quotes on "understand".
WHO would WANT to fake being LRH?

Of the regulars, Ralph, Tommy and Robert
would qualify. Robert would give himself
away with something daft. Tommy would
be my second choice after Ralph. They are
the ones who THINK Phatso was "RIGHT"
and are trying to "develop" his work further.

>There are only two in the .nl. And only
>one, AFAIK, who has net access. And

>nly one who is puffed up enough
>to consider doing something like that.
>
>Also, Ralph revealed who he was after Sten posted #scientologylies
>logs on ars. I had told Alan in private chat what I've told you here.
>Alan told Sten some of these things in the logs that were posted. You
>can see Sten's response in the logs he posted to ars.
>
>I once told Ralph that Sten knew things. Ralph said,

>ssentially, that Sten only knew what he was told.
>
>I think it's Otto. And I think Ralph is covering it.

OK. That could be. I haven't seen Otto posting,
and I don't know his style. Of the regular posters,
Ralph is the obvious choice: he knows the mystery
symbols well enough to figure-figure with them, and
he actually BELIEVES that they mean something.

WHY WOULD HE LIE?

>Ralph's stuff is better than LRH2s.
>It can be thought with,

IF you are into figure-figure about HALLUCINATION.

>is not overblown, and isn't rote.
>
>Ralph's lying.
>
>Xine


*ALL* THAT CRAP IS OVERBLOWN.

anon...@electra.lightlink.com

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in message <39aa7bfd...@news.tdl.com> phils...@hotmail.com (Phil
Scott) wrote in thread "Re: Revenius unveiled", on Mon, 28 Aug 2000
14:50:46 GMT, :

thomlove wrote:
>>Hi Ralph;
>>
>>You don't look like you're 12 years old! You aged fast!


UberWanKing:


>Ralph didnt see his fake Revenimus returned Hubbard gig as lying,
>thats a fringe benefit of cult involvement apparently.


UberWanKing does not see his multitude of lies as lying,


thats a fringe benefit of cult involvement apparently.

First you lied about Konchok.
Then you bet about your lies.
Then you lied about your bet:
"I will not back off from this bet!"
YOU LOST YOUR $10,000 BET!
Then you said there was "no bet",
and burned Konchok for $10,000.
Then you nattered him further.
Then you *MOTIVATED* BAD!
Then you called a POLL!
which you LOST: 12 to 2.
Then you Phrothed on Phurther,
complaining about "unfairness".
Then you tried to BET about the
BET you LOST and WELSHED!
Then you claimed authority about
being honest, decent, and exterior!
Then you threatened to *OUT* KP,
[because you hate eating your own
vile Wanker Wurdz that he quotes].
Then you *OUTED KP* while you
Wanked about Honesty, Decency,
the Transcendent VOID, and the
"Universal Decency Process".
Then you claimed you did NOT OUT
KP, because you only spewed his
name in a header and message,
Wanking your Phillish Whine about
KP in the OBVIOUS context of your
minutes-old THREAT to *OUT* him.
Then whined about "personal attack"!
and claimed a "RIGHT" to out KP, in
retaliation for "missrepresenting", and
WHINED about "BACKSTABBING".
You SAY you WANT people to TRY
to KILL you [a la Dong Juan], but if they
dare to QUOTE your stupid WANKER
WURDZ, you "FAIR GAME" them.
WHO do you think, YOU PHOOL?
Your "credibility" is INCREDIBLE!
YOUR USENET LEGEND GROWS,
MUCH LIKE PINOCCHIO'S NOSE!
IT IS NOW ETERNAL, AS YOUR
PHLAMOUS PHEART INPHERNAL.
YOU BUILT A CACTUS DILDO,
AND TESTED IT *YOURSELF*!
"Would you like KY Jelly on that, Sir?"


GET A CLUE, IDIOT!


Konchok Penday

Alex Yakovlev

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Hello Ralph or LRH2 or Revenius or whoever.

PGP-SIGNED text does not contain any clue to the
real identity of its author. This message could
be sent from anyone.

It was just sent from Ralph.

Alex.

Ralph Hilton wrote:

> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>

> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>

Heidrun Beer

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Very interesting collection of data - thanks!

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 10:41:27 -0400 (EDT), Saint Xine wrote in
<paskqs0pgvrhbrfo3...@4ax.com>:


>Ralph's lying.


It seems to boil down to that. The question is, can something be true
in the spiritual universe which is obviously false in the physical
universe? As Ralph said, can he have communicated another's ideas
for a brief period in time?

Or does Otto or yet another person something similar? There is
the possibility of a mocked-up truth after all.

Ralph Hilton

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On 28 Aug 2000 12:52:22 -0400, in alt.clearing.technology Heidrun Beer
<con...@atnet.at> wrote:

>>Ralph's lying.
>
>It seems to boil down to that. The question is, can something be true
>in the spiritual universe which is obviously false in the physical
>universe? As Ralph said, can he have communicated another's ideas
>for a brief period in time?
>
>Or does Otto or yet another person something similar? There is
>the possibility of a mocked-up truth after all.

I have the PGP key used to sign the Revenius posts. No-one else does. I am
not stupid enough to give private keys to someone like Otto whom I strongly
distrust. Nor, since he 3rd partied me a lot back in the 80s would he trust
me with his keys.

I have not been in communication with Otto for 15 years.

Why would I lie? I wrote the posts. If I were to lie then it would have to
be with the co-operation of the author as he obviously would also have the
signing key.

"Obviously false" could only be the observation of someone who cannot
examine evidence and does not understand PGP.

If Heidrun were to phone a couple of people whom she knows well then the
truth would be evident as I showed a couple of my close friends some
Revenius posts before I posted them.

Ralph Hilton

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:39:02 -0700, in alt.clearing.technology Saint Xine
<xi...@altavista.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:52:37 -0700, thomlove

><thomlov...@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>Hi Ralph;
>>
>>You don't look like you're 12 years old! You aged fast!
>>

>>thomlove


>>
>>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>>
>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>
>>> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
>>> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>>>

>Nope. Not going for it.
>
>Xine

I deliberately PGP signed the revenius posts. I don't know anyone who can
forge PGP signatures. Do you?

Ralph Hilton

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 20:16:39 +0400, in alt.clearing.technology Alex Yakovlev
<al...@fit.com.ru> wrote:

>Hello Ralph or LRH2 or Revenius or whoever.
>
>PGP-SIGNED text does not contain any clue to the
>real identity of its author. This message could
>be sent from anyone.
>
>It was just sent from Ralph.

All that can be stated is that the same PGP key signed the Revenius posts as
signed my post.

Conclude as you will.

Your last 2 sentences contradict each other in English.

Ralph Hilton

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On 28 Aug 2000 02:43:41 -0400, in alt.clearing.technology Heidrun Beer
<con...@atnet.at> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:41:52 -0400 (EDT), Saint Xine wrote in
><q6rjqs0ld20d3bhk6...@4ax.com>:

>>>> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
>>>> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>>>>
>>Nope. Not going for it.
>>
>>Xine

>That's interesting. Why?


>
>You think it's somebody else? You posted several hints during
>these weeks and months. Did you have any data which would point
>at another person?

Xine thought it was Otto as he apparently went onto IRC with the nick
"Revenimus" which is only one letter different from my Revenius nick.

Saint Xine

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On 28 Aug 2000 14:14:19 -0400, Ralph Hilton <ra...@hilton.org> wrote:

>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:39:02 -0700, in alt.clearing.technology Saint Xine
><xi...@altavista.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:52:37 -0700, thomlove
>><thomlov...@netscape.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hi Ralph;
>>>
>>>You don't look like you're 12 years old! You aged fast!
>>>
>>>thomlove
>>>
>>>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>>>
>>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>>

>>>> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
>>>> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>>>>
>>Nope. Not going for it.
>>
>>Xine
>

>I deliberately PGP signed the revenius posts. I don't know anyone who can
>forge PGP signatures. Do you?

Nope.

And you say you have the key.

Logically this comes to: I am not lying and to prove it, I have this
other thing that I am saying and am not lying about either.

Your stuff is better than Revenius's. Is there something to this
channeling theory of Dingbats?

Xine


Ralph Hilton

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 12:36:33 -0700, in alt.clearing.technology Saint
Xine <xi...@altavista.net> wrote:


>>I deliberately PGP signed the revenius posts. I don't know anyone
>>who can forge PGP signatures. Do you?
>
>Nope.
>
>And you say you have the key.

Yes. Just download PGP and you can check it for yourself.

>Logically this comes to: I am not lying and to prove it, I have
>this other thing that I am saying and am not lying about either.
>
>Your stuff is better than Revenius's. Is there something to this
>channeling theory of Dingbats?

Who is dingbat? I don't recall anyone posting with that nick.

I've posted several times that I'm currently auditing people using
the Revenius material.

I thought I gave it away several times when I appointed myself
Revenius' communicator and put up the website with all his posts.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: PGP 6.5.3

iQA/AwUBOaqxL0dRmJS6PittEQIgxACfXrwKKJJqOf6oyYfJMtb3cH2zBZwAmgIS
Ta/0cp6o2830EMybXOWhKwRn
=eSEa
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

The above is signed with the OTCO key which was used for the Revenius posts.

Heidrun Beer

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 14:05:38 -0400 (EDT), Ralph Hilton wrote in
<dr9lqsse2mn1fenhf...@4ax.com>:


>If Heidrun were to phone a couple of people whom she knows well then the
>truth would be evident as I showed a couple of my close friends some
>Revenius posts before I posted them.


I did that. The question "Why would I lie?" is a bit funny though.
After all, several people asked you whether you are the author of
the Rev posts and you said no. If you lied then, why would you
not lie now?

Ralph Hilton

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On Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:48:37 GMT, in alt.clearing.technology
basic...@my-deja.com wrote:

> This is a strange coincidence.I was almost or the first to mock
>you.I am now the first(I think) to validate you.This tech is the best
>I've seen.I now consider I have judgement in this area as many highly
>trained people agree with that.
>
> "The progression to OT8 should be obvious." Afraid I need help on
>that one.
>
> It looks like the Pilot was right.It needs more than one individual.
>
> You are one of them.One of the best.
>
> The concept that there is even more to superpower,is amazing.
>
> We wait with bated breath.

There is a lot more to come including the expanded bridge which gives
multiple routes through the upper levels.

You audits the PC in front of but clarify goals.

The "Audit the PC in front of you" brigade often just induldge in a Q&A.

The progression to OT8 isn't that obvoius, I agree, but can be deduced, I
hope, from class 6 materials and my Revenius posts.

It is a long haul and OT won't be achieved by anyone not willing to spend
several hours a day auditing self and others.

Saint Xine

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Okay, I'll check it tonight.

But there's a rat here, Ralph. And it will come out eventually.

Xine


anon...@electra.lightlink.com

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in message <2gglqs0t1s1dmvgrm...@4ax.com> Ralph Hilton
<ra...@hilton.org> wrote in thread "Re: Revenius unveiled", on 28 Aug
2000 15:57:52 -0400, :


basic...@my-deja.com wrote to Ralph:


>> This is a strange coincidence.I was almost or the first to mock
>>you.I am now the first(I think) to validate you.This tech is the best
>>I've seen.I now consider I have judgement in this area as many highly
>>trained people agree with that.
>>
>> "The progression to OT8 should be obvious."
>>Afraid I need help on that one.
>>
>> It looks like the Pilot was right.It needs more than one individual.
>>
>> You are one of them.One of the best.
>>
>> The concept that there is even more to superpower,is amazing.
>>
>> We wait with bated breath.


Ralph replies to BB:


>There is a lot more to come including the expanded bridge
>which gives multiple routes through the upper levels.

Yes. Even MORE complex mysterious figure-figure!

>You audits the PC in front of but clarify goals.
>
>The "Audit the PC in front of you" brigade often just induldge in a Q&A.

ANY "represent" process is "Q&A".

>The progression to OT8 isn't that obvoius, I agree, but can be
>deduced, I hope, from class 6 materials and my Revenius posts.

All that can be deduced form that mess
is HOW AND WHAT *NOT* TO LOOK AT!

>It is a long haul and OT won't be achieved by anyone not
>willing to spend several hours a day auditing self and others.
>--
>Ralph Hilton
>http://www.fzint.org/rhilton
>Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org
>C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/

If there is a route to "OT" . . . which I very seriously
doubt, it will NOT be found in $cientology, either
fresh, stale, or refried.

DO UCP AND SEE!


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Ralph Hilton

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 13:27:58 -0700, in alt.clearing.technology Saint Xine
<xi...@altavista.net> wrote:

>>Who is dingbat? I don't recall anyone posting with that nick.
>>
>>I've posted several times that I'm currently auditing people using
>>the Revenius material.
>>
>>I thought I gave it away several times when I appointed myself
>>Revenius' communicator and put up the website with all his posts.

>>The above is signed with the OTCO key which was used for the Revenius posts.


>
>Okay, I'll check it tonight.
>
>But there's a rat here, Ralph. And it will come out eventually.

No rat that I know of. You didn't answer my question about who is dingbat.

Robert D.

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On 28 Aug 2000 16:22:52 -0400, anon...@electra.lightlink.com wrote:

>in message <2gglqs0t1s1dmvgrm...@4ax.com> Ralph Hilton
><ra...@hilton.org> wrote in thread "Re: Revenius unveiled", on 28 Aug
>2000 15:57:52 -0400, :

>


>>You audits the PC in front of but clarify goals.
>>
>>The "Audit the PC in front of you" brigade often just induldge in a Q&A.
>
>ANY "represent" process is "Q&A".
>

I think by that Ralph means those who are fixated on HAVING to audit
whatever the PC presents and only addressing the PC's wants, as
opposed to running various rundowns. I agree that that style can
become Q&A very quickly if it's not balanced out with positive gain
processing like the lower bridge, old OT levels, the L's, and other
types of standardized processing.

True auditing of the pc in front of one can also mean handling the pc
as he is in the moment as opposed to doing so rotely without regard to
unusual situations that come up. This can sometimes get into Q&A if
the auditor is not careful. Deviating from standard procedure has its
risks, but so does mechanical auditing.

Robert D.

Saint Xine

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On 28 Aug 2000 17:42:12 -0400, Ralph Hilton <ra...@hilton.org> wrote:
>
>No rat that I know of. You didn't answer my question about who is dingbat.

I had originally said:

<<Your stuff is better than Revenius's. Is there something to this
channeling theory of Dingbats?>>

You must not be reading all the posts on this thread. Only one person
coming out with the theory that you've really channeled Hubbard.

Xine

JSteiner

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On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 19:12:14 -0700, Saint Xine <xi...@altavista.net>
wrote:


Who is Revenius?
JS


AMI

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Well Ralph I'm sorry you aren't really LRH in return, but you did a super
job with Super power, so far as I can tell.

And you certainly woke up the fz!

Good for you.

ami


AMI

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And another thing,

Granting DM Kha Khan status was a masterstroke!

ami


Robert D.

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It was ME she called a dingbat, of course. No surprise there.

That obviously scientific conclusion was most certainly arrived as a
result of careful analysis by Xine's acutely logical mind.

I guess channeling in any form is a forbidden subject for free zoners,
and is a hoax that does not occur in reality. Why? Because Xine
pronounces it a "dingbat" theory. So don't think any being will ever
go beyond being control of only his own body, and control anyone
else's - whether with or without agreement from the other person. All
these so-called channeling people like the author of the Seth books
and Edgar Cayce, are nothing but quacks because they don't subscribe
to Xine's supreme philosophy of undeniable accurate exactitude of
ultimate truth which cannot be refuted by anyone below her on her
mocked up totem pole.

Robert D.

Lone Ranger

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CB Willis wrote:

> JSteiner (jay_s...@hotmail.com) wrote:
> >Who is Revenius?
> >JS
>
> Who is Jay Steiner?
>
> - CBW

There was a dude by that name in PAC early-mid 70s. Blew from the RPF
as I recall.

Tommy Thompson

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Ralph Hilton wrote:
>
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>

> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
> LRH2 and Revenius identities.

snip

> Clear:
> A being who has recognized that he is mocking up his own reactive
> mind.
>
> OT1:
> A being who has total certainty of survival as an individual.
>

> The progression to OT8 should be obvious.

Yeah, clear on each dynamic. Certainty of creation of survival on each.

>
> This is the first release of OT1 rather than pre-OT1.
>
> Once a person has reached the state of Clear run this process:

Clear, or clear on 8, not a pre-OT?

>
> Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
> Create a counter postulate to that.
>
> Run alt rep to EP.
>
> At the moment I'm not sure how Super Power fits in.
>
> I'll have to see what feedback I get from this post.

Anyway, good job with the hat.

tom

Alex Yakovlev

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Hello Ralph!

Ralph Hilton wrote:

> >PGP-SIGNED text does not contain any clue to the
> >real identity of its author. This message could
> >be sent from anyone.
> >
> >It was just sent from Ralph.
>
> All that can be stated is that the same PGP key signed the Revenius posts as
> signed my post.

I agree here.

But in your original "Revenius unveiled" message
only message body was signed, and this body did not
contained your name. Your signature was added after signed part.

Can you send me a message "I am Ralph" signed with LRH2 key?
It is not hard to do.

> Conclude as you will.
>
> Your last 2 sentences contradict each other in English.

ARC, Alex.


Ted Crammer

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Vo...@ctinet.net wrote:

>Some time after revenius started posting and before Ralph contacted
>me, two people independently related to me, out of the clear blue,
>that they had channeled the LRH being. They had never said anything
>like that before, and have not said anything like that since. In
>fact, only one person had ever told me that before and that was 33
>years ago.

Preclears say all sorts of weird things; OTs do, too, only more convincingly.
Whatever is said is ~very~ interesting for the duration of the session. After
that, chop wood, carry water.

--
Ted

Ted Crammer

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Ralph wrote:

>The "Audit the PC in front of you" brigade often just induldge in a Q&A.
>


Ralph raises a good point: It certainly can be an invitation to Q&A and taking
orders from the pc.

"Audit the pc in front of you" means audit the pc in front of you not your idea
of the pc or your concept of a "standard" pc, an imaginary pc, or anything
other than the pc in front of you sans your added bullshit. There are points of
the auditor's code which cover this.

My current hedge on "Standard Tech" comes at the crossover point where the
Repair Program becomes the Advance or Return Program leading to the Basic
Program which is the Bridge. Repair is predominantly negative gains of deleting
force by locating, indicating, and clearing BPC or otherwise clearing life and
session errors. An Advance Program and the Basic Program are managed activities
and it is the managed activities that I see garnering the most BPC particularly
when I look at what people complain about on a.c.t. and a.r.s.

The question is how to make an advance without domination or case eval or
allowing the pc/pre-OT to process self into a state of hallucinatory cause. The
best answer I have able to come up with is distilled from ACW's and LRH's
writings: 1) Find out what the pc wants and help him get it -- moment by moment
if necessary. 2) Send him to the Life Examiner. 3) Repeat 1 and 2.

--
Ted

Robert D.

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These people were NOT being PCs. This was in the context of a normal
conversation about something that happened to them spontaneously
outside of session, during the day, and not under any unusual
circumstances.

Robert D.

Saint Xine

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From As Good as It Gets:

"When you first came into breakfast, when I first saw you, I thought
you were.... handsome. Then, of course, you spoke."

Xine

Saint Xine

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:47:11 GMT, Vo...@ctinet.net (Robert D.) wrote:

>>
>>Preclears say all sorts of weird things; OTs do, too, only more convincingly.
>>Whatever is said is ~very~ interesting for the duration of the session. After
>>that, chop wood, carry water.
>>
>>--
>>Ted
>
>
>These people were NOT being PCs. This was in the context of a normal
>conversation about something that happened to them spontaneously
>outside of session, during the day, and not under any unusual
>circumstances.
>

A "normal" conversation?

Robert D.

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:09:58 -0700, Saint Xine <xi...@altavista.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:47:11 GMT, Vo...@ctinet.net (Robert D.) wrote:

Yes... in the CONTEXT of a normal conversation. Admittedly, that part
was not exactly what most would call "normal" -- at least for "normal"
people.

Robert D.

Robert D.

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:07:14 -0700, Saint Xine <xi...@altavista.net>
wrote:

>


>From As Good as It Gets:
>
>"When you first came into breakfast, when I first saw you, I thought
>you were.... handsome. Then, of course, you spoke."
>
>Xine
>

If I ever have the occasion to share breakfast with you, I'll be sure
to keep my mind on the food and remain silent.

Between us, it seems, the secret to our getting along, whenever we do,
can be summed up in the phrase "When in doubt, don't communicate."

Robert

Lightnin

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tommy Thompson <pth...@pacbell.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <cle...@lightlink.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:21 AM
Subject: Re: Revenius unveiled


>
>
>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
>> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>
>snip
>
>> Clear:
>> A being who has recognized that he is mocking up his own reactive
>> mind.
>>
>> OT1:
>> A being who has total certainty of survival as an individual.
>>
>> The progression to OT8 should be obvious.
>
> Yeah, clear on each dynamic. Certainty of creation of survival on each.
>
>>
>> This is the first release of OT1 rather than pre-OT1.
>>
>> Once a person has reached the state of Clear run this process:
>
>Clear, or clear on 8, not a pre-OT?
>
>>
>> Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
>> Create a counter postulate to that.

Anybody besides me think this is piece a crap process ?


>>
>> Run alt rep to EP.

What EP ? looks to me like mental masturbation.


>>
>> At the moment I'm not sure how Super Power fits in.
>>
>> I'll have to see what feedback I get from this post.

Well theres a little feedback fer ya.

>
> Anyway, good job with the hat.

What hat would that be Tommy ?

Lightnin
>
>tom


Lightnin

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert D. <Vo...@ctinet.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <cle...@lightlink.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Revenius unveiled


>On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 08:09:58 -0700, Saint Xine <xi...@altavista.net>
>wrote:
>


>>On Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:47:11 GMT, Vo...@ctinet.net (Robert D.) wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>>Preclears say all sorts of weird things; OTs do, too, only more
convincingly.
>>>>Whatever is said is ~very~ interesting for the duration of the session.
After
>>>>that, chop wood, carry water.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Ted
>>>
>>>
>>>These people were NOT being PCs. This was in the context of a normal
>>>conversation about something that happened to them spontaneously
>>>outside of session, during the day, and not under any unusual
>>>circumstances.
>>>
>>
>>A "normal" conversation?
>
>Yes... in the CONTEXT of a normal conversation. Admittedly, that part
>was not exactly what most would call "normal" -- at least for "normal"
>people.

So what did they say ?

Lightnin
>
>Robert D.


Lightnin

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>
>"When you first came into breakfast, when I first saw you, I thought
>you were.... handsome. Then, of course, you spoke."

Jesus Christine you are relentless !!!! and doncha know I love it ;)

Lightnin
>
>Xine
>
>


Lightnin

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-----Original Message-----
From: CB Willis <cbwi...@lightlink.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <cle...@lightlink.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Revenius unveiled

>>>> Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
>>>> Create a counter postulate to that.
>

>Lightnin (light...@email.msn.com) wrote:
>>Anybody besides me think this is piece a crap process ?
>

>I said as much high up in this thread.
>I know, I'm kinda invisible and practically naked around here without
>official certs to cover me up.

Its about time we had some practically naked women on ACT LOL

You say crap so eloquently Carol it probably gets missed ;)

BTW how you doin Carol ;0 we hav'nt yakked in awhile.

Sportin any new high heels !!!

Lightnin
>
>
>- CBW


Saint Xine

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On 29 Aug 2000 22:18:25 -0500, cbwi...@adore.lightlink.com (CB
Willis) wrote:

>>>> Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
>>>> Create a counter postulate to that.
>
>Lightnin (light...@email.msn.com) wrote:
>>Anybody besides me think this is piece a crap process ?
>
>I said as much high up in this thread.
>I know, I'm kinda invisible and practically naked around here without
>official certs to cover me up.
>

Three.

And another reason I don't believe Ralph wrote that stuff.

Homer Wilson Smith

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CB Willis (cbwi...@adore.lightlink.com) wrote:
>I said as much high up in this thread.
>I know, I'm kinda invisible and practically naked around here without
>official certs to cover me up.

No, just massive and irrectifiable theetie wheetie.

It's ok Carol, you make the sun shine, there is no
conception of darkness in you.

Here is perhaps more direct process that should go direct to the
center of anyone's case if run long enough.

"What do you want?"
"What do you want not?"
"What do you not want?"
"What do you not want not?"

This can be run simply as

"What do you want?"
"What do you not want?"

Once the pc gets the idea.

E/P is pc finds what he is dramatizing.

"To Dramatize" means "To bring drama to."

Drama is seriousness, importance, pain and permanence.

Homer

Homer Wilson Smith

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Saint Xine (xi...@altavista.net) wrote:

>Three.

>And another reason I don't believe Ralph wrote that stuff.

Why? You believe I wrote all that Electra crap?

You will believe anything, what's so hard about believing
Ralph wrote all the Revimoose crap?

Homer

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Robert D.

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On 29 Aug 2000 20:35:27 -0400, "Lightnin" <light...@email.msn.com>
wrote:


>>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>>>>>
>>> Once a person has reached the state of Clear run this process:
>

>>> Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
>>> Create a counter postulate to that.
>

>Anybody besides me think this is piece a crap process ?


It's simply a variation on rising scale processing, using only the
survive/succumb dichotomy. Rising scale processing is very workable.


Robert

Phil Scott

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On 30 Aug 2000 00:56:38 -0500, cbwi...@adore.lightlink.com (CB
Willis) wrote:

>Robert D. (Vo...@ctinet.net) wrote:


>>>>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>>>> Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
>>>>> Create a counter postulate to that.
>

>>It's simply a variation on rising scale processing, using only the
>>survive/succumb dichotomy. Rising scale processing is very workable.

CBW typed:
>It might be workable except that it's a dichotomy applied to spiritual
>beings, which is a degrade and a falsehood, therefore unworkable.

Now *thats an interesting obsevation. I had not given that aspect
any thought before. But I can see now a wide range of liabilites in
the approach. It seems CBW has covered many of them in her very
succinct sentence here.

Phil Scott

>
>- CBW
>

Catherine Tyler

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Homer Wilson Smith wrote:

Saint Xine (xi...@altavista.net) wrote:

>Three.

>And another reason I don't believe Ralph wrote that stuff.

" Why? You believe I wrote all that Electra crap?

You will believe anything, what's so hard about believing
Ralph wrote all the Revimoose crap?"


There are programs out there which analize writing style.
Ralph created the name, he did not do all the content.
Go see...

Somethingz going on in the background, check it out...examine Rev's
postings n' compare to Ralphies style.
Nice try Ralph,no cigar.Quit arseing about and tell us what's *really* going
on..

C

Just for fun,here's a PGP key I cutted n' pasted to show that using said key
does not
prove Ralphie is Rev...

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=3sfy
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Ralph,

The spirit of play in this whole episode has been absolutely
delightful! I was totally convinced of the authenticity of the
Revenius identity after looking into the latin word roots for the name,
and found that it was the same basic latin word root for "to return"
that forms the word "revenue". That type of double and triple entendre
had always been a core element in the Flash's sense of humor!

As you no doubt have personally experienced over the past several
weeks, maintaining that level of play puts the source point in a
position of being constantly "fired at", eh? Now perhaps you can begin
to appreciate what the old man had to contend with all those years.

Jeff B

In article <sjviqsgqbjudemkm8...@4ax.com>,


Ralph Hilton <ra...@hilton.org> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I think its about time to confess. As several suspected I created the
> LRH2 and Revenius identities.
>

> I did it at a point where I felt the FZ was suffering a bit from
> Pilot being exposed. It was also a point where I hit a lot of
> cognitions that didn't match with my normal beingness.
>
> Quite a few things happened at the same time and I wanted to create a
> new approach without being encumbered by my usual identity.
>
> I hit an extremely strong release point and wrote up the Revenius
> posts.
>
> Unfortunately it closed in again and I couldn't create all of the
> Super Power series as I wanted to.
>
> It wasn't altogether a lie in that I felt for a brief time that I had
> the original spirit of what LRH intended within me.
>
> To create all of Super Power I'll need a lot of help. I'll need a lot
> of feedback and I can't do that behind a false identity.
>
> This evening I realized what the OT levels should be and I want to
> thank and acknowledge all those who contributed on the list.
>
> It is a new nexus for those who want to be involved. But now I'll do
> it in my own name.


>
> Clear:
> A being who has recognized that he is mocking up his own reactive
> mind.
>
> OT1:
> A being who has total certainty of survival as an individual.
>
> The progression to OT8 should be obvious.
>

> This is the first release of OT1 rather than pre-OT1.
>

> Once a person has reached the state of Clear run this process:
>

> Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
> Create a counter postulate to that.
>

> Run alt rep to EP.
>

> At the moment I'm not sure how Super Power fits in.
>
> I'll have to see what feedback I get from this post.
>

> This is PGP signed with the OTCO key.


>
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>

> --
> Ralph Hilton
> http://www.fzint.org/rhilton
> Freezone International: http://www.fzint.org
> C-Meter: http://www.inquisitive-instruments.co.uk/
>


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Alex Yakovlev

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Hello

Saint Xine:


> And another reason I don't believe Ralph wrote that stuff.

Homer Wilson Smith:


> Why? You believe I wrote all that Electra crap?
> You will believe anything, what's so hard about believing
> Ralph wrote all the Revimoose crap?"

Catherine Tyler:


> There are programs out there which analize writing style.
> Ralph created the name, he did not do all the content.
> Go see...

Do you have such programs, can you do the tests?

> Just for fun,here's a PGP key I cutted n' pasted to show
> that using said key does not
> prove Ralphie is Rev...
>
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> Version: PGP 6.5.3
>
> iQA/AwUBOal7PkdRmJS6PittEQILUQCfQ+Gae0wXKipMd02a8Pyiv9lrN2UAoNNW
> I6CsSAg9Edc5tWXgawwFjIty
> =3sfy
> -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

This is not a PGP key, it is a PGP signature.

ARC, Alex Yakovlev.

P.S. to Ralph: I signed this text with my key,
including my name. Can post to ACT or send me
a message with your name inside the signed text?

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Pg7C0ZYGvsYCNgB/JvWygLD5UiyrX142KkyqgM6wO/tIaEG1rZ9Vph1/V4Qbq7Gy
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ixzW/lDuLPQOdLifhRHnqYfl+IBFJ/jElA1ACMtYSn5dpdYiGPCCnImsCrbxsmDP
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Ralph Hilton

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On 30 Aug 2000 02:29:09 -0400, in alt.clearing.technology "Catherine Tyler"
<cwt...@hotmail.com> wrote:


>Just for fun,here's a PGP key I cutted n' pasted to show that using said key
>does not
>prove Ralphie is Rev...
>
>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
>Version: PGP 6.5.3
>
>iQA/AwUBOal7PkdRmJS6PittEQILUQCfQ+Gae0wXKipMd02a8Pyiv9lrN2UAoNNW
>I6CsSAg9Edc5tWXgawwFjIty
>=3sfy
>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

A PGP signature is created by performing complex mathematical functions on
the message using a PGP key. To check a signature you need PGP. It will
check it by another complex mathematical operation and report on the
validity.

Lightnin

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert D. <Vo...@ctinet.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <cle...@lightlink.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: Revenius unveiled

>On 29 Aug 2000 20:35:27 -0400, "Lightnin" <light...@email.msn.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>>>Ralph Hilton wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>> Once a person has reached the state of Clear run this process:
>>
>>>> Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
>>>> Create a counter postulate to that.
>>

>>Anybody besides me think this is piece a crap process ?
>
>

>It's simply a variation on rising scale processing, using only the
>survive/succumb dichotomy. Rising scale processing is very workable.

I'll take that as a no Robert, Btw have you run it on yerself or
had it run on you, how long and what were the results ?


Lightnin
>
>
>Robert


Lightnin

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-----Original Message-----
From: CB Willis <cbwi...@lightlink.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <cle...@lightlink.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: Revenius unveiled

>Robert D. (Vo...@ctinet.net) wrote:
>>>>Ralph Hilton wrote:

>>>>> Get the idea of total survival as an individual.
>>>>> Create a counter postulate to that.
>

>>It's simply a variation on rising scale processing, using only the
>>survive/succumb dichotomy. Rising scale processing is very workable.
>

>It might be workable except that it's a dichotomy applied to spiritual
>beings, which is a degrade and a falsehood, therefore unworkable.

See there Carol you said it was crap so well I almost missed it again. ;)

Lightnin
>
>- CBW
>


Ralph Hilton

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ok. I am Ralph.

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Catherine Tyler

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Yo Alex !


Saint Xine:
> And another reason I don't believe Ralph wrote that stuff.

Homer Wilson Smith:
> Why? You believe I wrote all that Electra crap?
> You will believe anything, what's so hard about believing
> Ralph wrote all the Revimoose crap?"

Catherine Tyler:
> There are programs out there which analize writing style.
> Ralph created the name, he did not do all the content.
> Go see...

> Do you have such programs, can you do the tests?


I have one somewhere...even the simple style analysis thingy in Word2000 can
be used to compare
post's from Ralph and 'LRH2' if anyone has time to waste.
Let's just say I don't believe Ralphie is telling the entire truth.I think
he's done it for another person and someone is getting too close to the
truth so Ralphie is trying to confuse the issue.


> P.S. to Ralph: I signed this text with my key, including my name. Can
>post to ACT or send me a message with your name inside the signed text?


Since he created the key for another user,of course he could :-)
Ralphie has the technical expertise needed to aid that 'other' user in their
quest not to be caught
out.Y'think all that remailer stuff wuz cuz *Ralphie* wanted to go to
extreme lengths to avoid detection?

Gimmee a break :-)


C,wondering if Alex watches Star Trek.

Lightnin

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-----Original Message-----
From: Catherine Tyler <cwt...@hotmail.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <cle...@lightlink.com>
Date: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: Revenius unveiled


>


>Homer Wilson Smith wrote:
>
> Saint Xine (xi...@altavista.net) wrote:
>
> >Three.
>

> >And another reason I don't believe Ralph wrote that stuff.
>

> " Why? You believe I wrote all that Electra crap?
>
> You will believe a