Hey Daku, maybe this should be your next venture
Eldon
Alrick
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125306591407914359.html#mod=article-o...
This article is of course about ayahuasca. Santo Daime is the church
of Brazilian origin which is most well-known for the sacramental use
of the brew. They use a mild brew it seems.
This hallucinogen has become the darling of the progressive new-agers
worldwide. David Icke has used it in 2003 as I recall (no, nice try,
he had already come up with the reptilians) and that's where he got
the "Infinite love is the only reality....everything else is illusion"
phrase. Author David Pinchbeck used it and has documented his
experience in his books. He didn't take well to the religious part of
the ceremony as I recall, and he walked out of it at a point.
There is a Santo Daime church in a village near Amsterdam - I wanted
to visit it before but needed a car to get there. This is something I
will definitely try soon, and I will keep you guys posted.
In the meantime here's a page translated from Dutch describing a first-
time ayahuasca experience in a down-to-earth fashion:
qt2t...@yahoo.com
Interesting coincidence that you posted that, Alrick.
I was ready to post back to Eldon that I wan't interested in this
ayahuasca group as my next venture but that David Icke is coming to
town for a couple weeks and I'd probably go see him.
Now you tell me there's an Icke, ayahuasca connection.
Hahahaha... interesting connection.
Alrick
Daku, here's one more coincidence for you:
Mr Icke is coming to Holland's capital city this Saturday and I will
be there of course. If you're interested I will let you know how I
like it. The presentation apparently runs from 10:00 AM to 18:30 PM.
When is he coming to the Santa Fe area?
Eldon
Wow, a full 7 hours or so of David Icke? Maybe you should start the
day with a piece of space cake to prepare yourself. ;-)
qt2t...@yahoo.com
cake.....mmmmmmmmm.....oooohhhhhhhh.....
Icke will be here for sure on Oct. 11 for a 7 hour event and he will
be on the local Camp Lovewave radio show on Sept. 26th and Oct. 3rd.
I have the feeling he may be in town during that several week period.
Alrick
Hehe.
Was just trying to remember if I have ever been to a 7 hour event
before - I mean a spoken word one like this. Even Tibetan lamas don't
go on for that long....
I think I'll have to bring a case of Red Bull.
tex
If you're listening to David Icke perhaps anti-psychotic drugs are in
order.
Perhaps the reptilians were the ones that blew up the World Trade
Center, right Alrick?
You're just kidding around, right?
Alrick
I wish I were Tex. I don't like believing this stuff. I don't like
being right about this.
As they say in Africa: "The lie is very sweet to the ear. But the
truth is bitter".
noauth
Wayne buys David Icke.
Hari ought to send his minions out
to David Icke enclaves and troll the crowds
of gullibles. These are ready made
marks for Avatar. No mind control required.
If they believe in reptilians and chem trails
they would go for the Enlightened Planetary
Civilization in a heartbeat.
Alrick and Dakoo thanks for verifying
your chump quotients.
tex
LOL!!!!
Or simply recruit on backwater newsgroups.
i hope this isn't a reflection of how crazy the world really is.
Wayne
internet asshole.
I'm sure you believe you sound very practical and
logical but your posts have a greasy feel to them.
The various name changes can't wash it out.
No to chemtrails. And 99.9% certainty of NO on reptilians,
not because there's any evidence of reptilians but it would
explain a lot about the posters here .
Any here who denies being reptilian is a reptilian.
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No problem.
I was following the thread.
It's a house of mirrors here.
I have maintained my anonymity after I took on Rick Ross and
discovered he was a convicted felon and kidnapper. That was a little
bit freaky. I don't think Rick is a danger to society anymore, though.
It's been a long time since he threatened to blow up a jewelry store
with a phoney bomb while robbing it.
Of course today anti-terrorism laws would put someone away for a long
time for such an action.
Alrick
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> No problem.
> I was following the thread.
> It's a house of mirrors here.
> I have maintained my anonymity after I took on Rick Ross and
> discovered he was a convicted felon and kidnapper.
You didn't discover that tex, it came out on on the Religious Freedom
Watch website long before that.
Alrick
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That's where I discovered it, Alrick.
The court records were dug up by the Scientologists.
They didn't invent the history of Rick.
They just exposed it.
HAPPYsamurai
did your hear about when CoS wanted to do a biography of hubby - and
they started researching his past - then they had to excommunicate the
guy they got to do the research....
tex
Is that really true?
Funny.
Wayne
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> Funny.
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Short form: yes.
Eldon
His name is Gerry Armstrong. You can find lots of stuff with a search
or two.
Alrick
20 years of experience have made him a truly great speaker.........'t
was an extremely impressive presentation!
Guess how long it lasted.....started at 10:00 am (although he kept the
crowd waiting till 10:20), finished at 20:00 pm. With total break-time
of 1 hour 30 minutes.
Funny, informative, hard-hitting, unrelenting! More than 8 hours of
getting bombarded with not only verbal, but also lots and lots of
pictures, diagrams and illustrations.
That main stream media ignore this guy or call him a "nutter" is all
the proof you should need.
tex
Is that all the proof you need?
Alex Jones suggests he is a "turd in the punchbowl," and also that he
is either "insane or a conman."
So Alrick, is Alex Jones part of the New World Order controlled media
or not?
Here is a link to Jones's comments.
http://matrixofconspiracy.blogspot.com/2009/02/alex-jones-calls-david-icke-and-himself.html
You haven't researched your heros very thoroughly, have you Alrick?
Wayne
from looking him up until I read a few more comments.
I'm vaguely aware of the nuttiness about world leaders being reptiles if
you squint at them or something. I'm also aware he speaks about vast
conspiracies.
As a person who has worked extensively and daily with government
agencies, every military service, and every intelligence service in
North America, I can tell you with authority that you completely
underestimate the number of conspiracies going on at any one time. But
it isn't the military or bureaucrats that scare me. (Well, the
bureaucrats and their unions maybe a little.)
What did you find particularly striking in his lectures?
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> As a person who has worked extensively and daily with government
> agencies, every military service, and every intelligence service in
> North America, I can tell you with authority that you completely
> underestimate the number of conspiracies going on at any one time. But
> it isn't the military or bureaucrats that scare me. (Well, the
> bureaucrats and their unions maybe a little.)
This is Wayne establishing himself as an authority.
Don't ask him what card you have by your computer though.
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> What did you find particularly striking in his lectures?
This is Wayne talking you up. Later he will call you a nut case.
tex
Well, Alrick believes that the world is controlled by blood sucking
"reptilians."
A guy who thinks that black helicopters are following him around (Alex
Jones) and also promotes that the US government blew up the World
Trade Center..... even he thinks David Icke is a nut case.
And what does that say about people who believe these two lunatics?
Any thing I read posted by Alrick is always tainted by the thoughts
that he could be slipping off his medication.
This also makes him a rather unreliable critic of Avatar.
If I were you and Eldon I'd ask him to stop helping!!!! ;-)
Is the whole world crazy or just denizens of backwater usenet groups?
Alrick
Well I will assume unlike tex you are genuinely interested here goes:
the build-up of the lecture was done very well.
It all started quite gently with the first section which was about the
nature of reality. David's view of reality that is, which is based on
the Matrix movie, his experiences with ayahuasca and The Holographic
Universe by Michael Talbot.
Then after the break it was all about conspiracies and reptilians, but
presented in a very thoughtful way. The weak point of the usual
conspiracy theories is that they can't explain who sets the agenda for
global control. There is talk about Illuminati families and the
Bilderbergers. But are they really discussing on how to better control
the planet? That could be leaked, even if it did happen. So in come
the reptilians, interbreeding with certain bloodlines within the human
race.
Most of this is presented using pictures and diagrams as I said -
which go straight to the right brain. That way one can absorb a lot
more info.
Also, there was a lot of fun to be had. David Icke has that special
english way of making fun of himself. He said of his times as a soccer
goalie: "They called me Cinderella, 'cause I always missed the ball".
And that's just one example.
Eldon
How many people do you estimate were there? Just curious as to how it
compares to Hari's events, though they're longer and the Wiz course
only takes place once a year.
Alrick
2000. The capacity of the place was 2000 and it sold out.
Eldon
That's about the maximum number Hari ever got to attend the wizard
course, with people coming back to review it multiple times, and
flying in from all over the world. Do you think he could get 2,000
people to pay for a day-long lecture in Amsterdam? I sort of doubt it,
even if he promised some amazing revelations about Karsak of Triton,
the Estro Companion, and humankind's infestation with zillionis of
entities. Maybe he should start blabbing about all that woo-woo stuff
publicly like Icke does. It's no secret anymore anyway.
tex
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So what is your opinion of David Icke and Alex Jones, Eldon?
more people came to listen to Hitler than either of the two above and
Harry Palmer.
Does popularity validate their message, in your opinion?
Jesus had only a small following after he talked about "eating his
body and drinkling his blood."
I'm pretty sure he was making use of metaphors, though.
HAPPYsamurai
> As a person who has worked extensively and daily with government
> agencies, every military service, and every intelligence service in
> North America, I can tell you with authority that you completely
> underestimate the number of conspiracies going on at any one time. But
> it isn't the military or bureaucrats that scare me.
so validity for "conspiracy" - more than you can know
and to add to Wayne's authority - he also owned a circus... those
carney's could teach the politicians a thing or two about conspiracy
then there's CoS's very own attempt to infiltrate the US govt...
computeruser
Are you going to tell Tex that David and Alex got over their
differences to a degree?
It was at least enough healing of the bad blood for Alex to invite
David to appear on his show.
Or was this a case of "There is no such thing as bad publicity"? A win-
win for both of them?
(maybe David's publicist paid for the appearance.)
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Or perhaps they are both con men and media whores looking for the
attention of the gullible, uncritical thinking fantasizers.
(that's where the easy money is)
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Well Alrick, are you going to tell me that Alex and David are going to
kiss and make up and go hunting for alien reptilians together.
Wasn't Arnold Schwarzenegger in this film?
Oh the possibilities.
Gotta go, I'm due back on planet earth tonight.
CU, why don't YOU tell me all about their little chat?
I'm sure it was highly "rational," right?
Eldon
Hitler wasn't all that mystical, at least in public. Of the other
three, I would rank them sort of like this:
Icke - a total crackpot who believes his fantasies and rationalizes
them well. He is probably a high functioning schizophrenic, like a
certain poster on a.r.s. who says she is the daughter of L. Ron
Hubbard, who raised her in a secret submarine village under the Great
Salt Lake, and was replaced by a dopelganger at some point.
Palmer - a demi crackpot who probably somewhat believes his quasi-
Scientological teachings about intergalactic horseshit and entity
possession. He has pretty much followed in the footsteps of his role
model LRH, who simultaneously viewed himself as a con artist and a
prophetic genius.
Jones - a quasi crackpot who likes stirring up mud in politics. I like
the term "paleoconservative" as applied to him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservative
He really doesn't care who is in office, he's going to say they're
agents of the New World Order conspiracy. He would have said the same
thing about McCain as he does about Obama.
Alrick
> He really doesn't care who is in office, he's going to say they're
> agents of the New World Order conspiracy. He would have said the same
> thing about McCain as he does about Obama.
I would be interested to know who is the beacon of sanity on your
sliding scale of madness.
"Everybody's crazy but me", now there's a recipe for peace on
earth......
Alrick
How about the Thule society? Not mystical at all, I guess?
Eldon
Mr. Consensus is my beacon of sanity.
Eldon
It was certainly mystical, but Hitler either didn't have a lot to do
with it, or kept his association pretty well hidden.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thule_Society
Dissolution
Early in 1920 Karl Harrer was forced out of the DAP as Hitler moved to
sever the party's link with the Thule Society, which subsequently fell
into decline and was dissolved about five years later,[19] well before
Hitler came to power.
Rudolf von Sebottendorff had withdrawn from the Thule Society in 1919,
but in 1933 he returned to Germany in the hope of reviving it. In that
year he published a book entitled Bevor Hitler kam ((German): Before
Hitler Came), in which he claimed that the Thule Society had paved the
way for the Führer: "Thulers were the ones to whom Hitler first came,
and Thulers were the first to unite themselves with Hitler." This
claim was not favourably received by the Nazi authorities: after 1933,
esoteric organisations (including völkisch occultists) were
suppressed, many closed down by anti-Masonic legislation in 1935.
Sebottendorff's book was prohibited and he himself was arrested and
imprisoned for a short period in 1934, afterwards departing into a
lonely exile in Turkey.
Nonetheless, it has been argued that some Thule members and their
ideas were incorporated into the Third Reich.[15] Some of the Thule
Society's teachings were expressed in the books of Alfred Rosenberg.
[citation needed] Many occult ideas found favour with Heinrich Himmler
who, unlike Hitler, had a great interest in mysticism, but the
Schutzstaffel (SS) under Himmler emulated the ethos and structure of
Ignatius Loyola's Jesuit order[20] rather than the Thule Society.
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So Alrick, is Alex Jones, who called David Icke a crazy or a con man
or both part of the New World order conspiracy controlled by
reptilians?
You did say that if the mainstream media called someone nuts that's
all we need to know, right?
What does that say about Alex Jones?
A mainstreamer in your view now?
Alrick
So you're the kind of guy who if most people thought it would be a
good idea to put all jews, gays and gypsys in concentration camps, you
would actually support that?
Interesting.
Eldon
When and where have most people supported that kind of human rights
abuse? We might say some societies have ignored pogroms, but if a poll
had been taken, do you think they would have voted that way?
Alrick
Whether it has actually happened or not is not the point. (I do
remember however that at one point during the Iraq war a majority in
the US was convinced some forms of torture were acceptable in
questioning of suspected terrorists - in direct contradiction to all
conventions on human rights).
The point is, if you say I always accept consensus reality then such
things might be part and parcel of that. You did not allow for any
caveats.
Eldon
I didn't intend that as an absolutist statement. Anyway, let's just
say that I think Noam Chomsky makes more sense than David Icke, Alex
Jones and Harry Palmer combined.
tex
Even "high funtioning" schizos would have a hard time not
acknowledging their hallucinations during public events. I've seen
videos of Icke and he does not appear to be schizophrenic.
I'd say people who believe him are more likely to be mentally ill. His
story does sound like a schizo hallucination though, so perhaps that
explains it.
> like a certain poster on a.r.s. who says she is the daughter of L. Ron
> Hubbard, who raised her in a secret submarine village under the Great
> Salt Lake, and was replaced by a dopelganger at some point.
Barbara????
She is a hoot.
Maybe she's just a "visionary."
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> Palmer - a demi crackpot who probably somewhat believes his quasi-
> Scientological teachings about intergalactic horseshit and entity possession.
He could be a Catholic with those beliefs!!!
Do the learned priests in Catholicism REALLY believe their religion's
mythology???
>He has pretty much followed in the footsteps of his role
> model LRH, who simultaneously viewed himself as a con artist and a prophetic genius.
Another "visionary."
If any of the quotes by him I'be read are true, he was completely
bonkers.
I would give him the "finger" treatment. ;-)
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> Jones - a quasi crackpot who likes stirring up mud in politics. I like
> the term "paleoconservative" as applied to him.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleoconservative
> He really doesn't care who is in office, he's going to say they're
> agents of the New World Order conspiracy. He would have said the same
> thing about McCain as he does about Obama.
An opportunistic media whore.
Only idiots take him seriously.
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So Alrick, who is your "beacon of sanity"?
David Icke, who claime the world is controlled by "blood-sucking
reptilians"?
Or Alex Jones, followed by a cloud of black helicopters, who thinks
David Icke is crazy or a con amn but certainly a "turd in the punch
bowl" at the International Conspiracy Convention, because it is clear
even to "crazy" like Alex jones that David Icke is competely bonkers.
So who is you beacon, Alrick?
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Alrick?????????????????
Where'd ya go, dude?
Eldon
You are mistaken. Check out L. Ron Hubbard. He could hold forth in
front of an audience for hours and mesmerize them. A senior
psychiatrist has read his "admissions" and said Hubbard was most
likely a paranoid schizophrenic. Some of them are highly convincing.
tex
I've read some transcripts from Hubbard that sounded completely
looney.
i just thought he was trying to be funny.
But that psychiatrist never saw Hubbard, so really could not diagnose
him.
Some only have sporadic episiodes.
Perhaps that can explain Xenu and reptilians.
That could explain it.
Thanks.
HAPPYsamurai
mentioned the xenu dc8 story
and yes you might well drop your pencil in disbelief...
something about alien tax collectors or beurocrats at the root of the
problem
HAPPYsamurai
like paris Hilton's music career?
HAPPYsamurai
bring back slavery and non-covert conspiracies just so we can have the
benefit of "knowing" shit happens...?
milli vanilli and now motor racing
the human race just likes lying to each other
I wonder if clinton told his wife the truth about monica while he was
still denying it to the nation as a PR excercise?
siriu...@yahoo.com
> David Icke? I don't even think looper
> Wayne buys David Icke.
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> Hari ought to send his minions out
> to David Icke enclaves and troll the crowds
> of gullibles. These are ready made
> marks for Avatar. No mind control required.
> If they believe in reptilians and chem trails
> they would go for the Enlightened Planetary
> Civilization in a heartbeat.
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> Alrick and Dakoo thanks for verifying
> your chump quotients.
Try looking up. Chemtrails speak for themselves.