Don't stop I still need help

[curious...@yahoo.com]

Hello Group,
Continuing with my depression line of questions I have a new concern.

Assuming somebody is actually now at the bottom and is depressed,
meaning no motivation to do any therapy, any avatar exersises, go to
work etc. Why would Avatar Masters recommend leaving the person
alone? Or more to the point not to interact with the person's
depressed Identity... what does that even mean? What does it mean in
avatar speak "creation = pattern?" How can avatar masters align and
decide that a person should be left alone? Does avatar make claims
about being able to tread depression!???

what does it mean that a person has assumed a depressed identity? Is
this like a thetan thing from scientology?

I am so frustrated... Fred you said don't dissown your family... I am
trying but for a non beliver like me... my conversations with my
family lately have been like a devout christian talking to a devout
atheist... we just don't speak the same language.....
(frastrated!!!!!!)

[Grace]

On Feb 12, 4:22 pm, curious.geor...@yahoo.com wrote:

Hi Curious,

I can understand your frustration.

The approach I would use is I would point out that mental processing
(the Avatar tools) are weak when it comes to changing a biological
(physical) condition. I would use Harry's eye glasses as an example.

Very often depression is a biological condition. That is why talk
therapy often doesn't help.

Get this family member to do simple things that are found to be
effective, like exercise and supplementation. Have them watch Dr. Oz;
he even talks about "good mood" foods.

What happens in Avatar is you do the course and then you are left out
to dry (or try to make the ineffective tools work). And when you
can't they talk you into doing the next course.

Hopefully your family member will wake up and realize it's not their
fault it's not working and that mental processing isn't the answer.

Grace

[Grace]

On Feb 17, 9:27 am, Grace <cclip...@gmail.com> wrote:

Also you can tell your family member to ask other Avatar Masters if
they have ever gotten the Identity Procedure to work.

Every experienced Master I have talked to admitted no change ever
occurred.

Honesty. Tell them to get honest with themselves.

grace

[curious...@yahoo.com]

Thanks for the advice. Can you tell me more about this Identity
Procedure?

[Grace]

On Feb 29, 9:54 am, curious.geor...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Thanks for the advice.  Can you tell me more about this Identity
> Procedure?

I'm sure some where you can find the steps to the Avatar Identity
Procedure.

I'm not going to post them here, simply because as I have stated it's
a rather useless rundown.

I will give you a little of the theory behind it though.

It's based on the same premise of the Creative Handling Procedure
(CHP) and basically it's a disassociative technique.

The psycho babble behind the procedure is that it's desire and/or
resistance which leads someone to create an experience, or in this
case an identity. If you can DIScreate the desire/resistance then the
identity will DIScreate or in Scientology terms "unmock".

Sounds reasonable, right? The problem is, there's no such thing as
discreating only disassociating. Disassociating works at best for a
brief period of time. If you disassociate too much, then it's time
for the men with the little white jackets.

The funny thing about this rundown is when I first did my Avatar
course my master taught it to me, even gave me a copy of the
instructions. I used it a few times on my own enough to know the
steps. When I got to Masters it was made clear this was not to be
shared and only to be taught on Masters. The interesting part was
when I was doing the rundown on Masters I thought I had some
misunderstood how to do it. When I got home I compared the rundown's
instruction, nope I hadn't been doing it wrong, Harry had changed how
to do it. It does create a nice high and feel good, to bad it's
rather useless.


grace

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