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Alrick
Despite growing awareness in other countries, it seems the activities
of Florida-based scam operation ''Star's Edge'' and its so-called
self-help course "Avatar'' are still expanding in Holland with the help
of various local accomplices. Many conscious individuals deplore this
sad fact.
Any information (including aliases, descriptions, and criminal
histories) that can lead to legally binding cease-and-desist orders for
any of these individuals is therefore needed and is hereby invited:
Abels, David Den Hoorn
Adriaans, Juliette Helmond
Aerts, Anita Soest
Agt, Esther van Amsterdam
Amersfoort, Joke van Den Haag
Andela, Agatha Muiderberg
Anker, Vera van den Nijmegen
Apon, Carmen Rotterdam
Baak, Anjo Bilthoven
Balkestein, Geert Echt
Benny, Thea Apeldoorn
Bax, Marian Malden
Beernink, Antonia Amsterdam
Beets, Jaap Hilversum
Bekkers, Sabine & Rolf Wegman Amsterdam
Beld, Rob van den Bakel
Berg, Garbrand van den Roden
Best, Rita Purmerend
Boey, Ingrid Deurle (België)
Bogaard, Maartje van den Rotterdam
Bögels, Chantal & René Versteege Haarlem
Boonstra, Edo Gorssel
Boom, Marcel van den Meijel (L)
Bootsveld, Collin Apeldoorn
Bos, Ineke Bergen (NH)
Boschker, Hein Utrecht
Boutmans, Philip Wilrijk (België)
Bouwhuis, Judith Utrecht
Braak, Hans van Almere
Breed, Rens Amsterdam
Briglia, Maria Wageningen
Bruin, Tiny de Lelystad
Bruijn, Gerard de Bennekom
Bruijn, Marjan de Zeist
Buikes, Ron & Jasper Reijman Hinze Oostzaan
Buis, Brigitte Monnickendam
Bunthof, Mario Nuenen
Buser, Rob Biddinghuizen
Chan, Fui Moy Woerden
Chan, Pui Yee Rotterdam
Christiaans, Cees Breda
Christiaans, Serge Dodewaard
Cloosterman, Berry Nijmegen
Clopterop, Nora Oostende (België)
Cornelissen, Barry Rijen
Couvé, Evelien Doetinchem
Daems, Jo Keerbergen (België)
Dane, Guido Eindhoven
Darwinkel, Conny Utrecht
De Baerdemaeker, Daniel Lovendegem (België)
Demets, Koen Vichte (België)
Deraedt, Bruno Maarkedal & Gent (België)
De Troch, Leen Schepdaal (België)
Deursen, Jeanine van Doesburg
Dijk, Karin van Budel
Dijkstra, Erwin Molenhoek
Dijkstra, Harro & Judith Lelystad
Does, Santo van der Eindhoven
Dongen, Elly van Wagenberg
Dormolen, Charles van Den Haag
Dormolen, Paul van Deventer
Duijn, Jos van Almere
Duijn, Nancky van Amsterdam
Duijndam, Mariëlle Delft
Duindam, Corry & Theo Stroet Naaldwijk
Duivenbooden, Niek van Dieren
Dumoré, Juliëtte Gorssel
Eelman, Nicolette Middelburg
Einden, Marianne van den Asten
Emmen, Myriam Amsterdam
Enhus, Monique Dilbeek (B)
Ersebeek, Agnes Leiden
Evers, Gerard Almere Haven
Evrard, Stéphane Overijse (B)
Fontaine, Frederique Blaricum
Franssens, Jan Adriaan Utrecht
Fromm, Monica Amsterdam
Gaag, Peter van der Rotterdam
Gaag, Pieter van der Roosendaal
Gansenkolk, Dick Westervoort
Geisler, Marion Kudelstaart
Gerretsen-Boerkamp, José Doesburg
Gils, Winy van Capelle a/d IJssel
Gkouzouris, Kyros Utrecht
Glazemaker, Barbara Utrecht
Goedhart, Rob Amersfoort
Groof, Luce de Amersfoort
Grooten, Marianne Zwolle
Haarsma, Mark Noordwijk
Hagen, Astrid & Tim van Dijk Kortenhoef
Hagen, Wilma Mijnsheerenland
Ham, Pieta van de Amsterdam
Hahn, Raymond Leusden
Hangelbroek, Roland Rotterdam
Hartog, Liane den Amsterdam
Haver, Elise Van Gent (België)
Heerebeek, Aard van Erp (bij Uden)
Hegeman, Hermien Breda
Heijbroek, Pieter Zeist
Heijden, Ineke van der Utrecht
Heijde, Joep Roermond
Henning, Ans Amstelveen
Hereijgers, Richard Eindhoven
Herreweghen, Hilde Merelbeke (België)
Hest, Astrid van Boxtel
Heuvel, Claudia van den Eindhoven
Heuvel, Maurice van den Eindhoven
Hof, Marcel Amsterdam
Holtzer, Joye Geldermalsen
Horst, Karl van der Culemborg
Houtman, Annette Amsterdam
Hustinx, Ed Velp
Huurne, Agnes ter Lelystad
Inghelram, Colette Keerbergen (België)
Jansen, Mary Achlum
Jansen, Yvonne Amersfoort
Jeelof, Pietie Voorburg
Jeckmans, John Oldenzaal
Joosten, Kees Amsterdam
Kastelijn, Annemarie Eindhoven
Kennis, Toos Budel
Kerkhof, Carla Eindhoven
Ketels, Inge Genk (België))
Kiepe, Ingrid Lelystad
Keizer - Lancée, Lia Lelystad
Kip, Godelieve Kekerdom
Keulen, Jean Hulsberg
Klaassen, Gerard Veenendaal
Klein Molekamp, Alida Apeldoorn
Kleine Schaars, Theo Dedemsvaart
Klok, Tineke van der Oploo (N.Br)
Klomp, Judy Hilversum
Kok, Piet de s`Heer Arendskerke (Zld)
Koldewijn, Janneke Deventer
Kool, Carina Apeldoorn
Koolen-Stark, Doris Asten
Kools, Patrick Groenekan (Utr.)
Korevaar, Petra Weesp
Kotterer, Monique Urshult (Zweden)
Knol, Myra Geleen
Kramer, Leen de Helmond
Kray, Hein Leeuwarden
Silke Kroner Arnhem
Lammerts van Bueren, Joyce Doorn
Langenberg, Frank Zaandam
Langenberg, Frank van de Wijchen
Leenders, Jack Amsterdam
Leeuwen, Tanja van Alphen aan de Rijn
Leijten, Renate Oss
Linden, Arjan ter Oudewater
Loon-van de Moosdijk, Elly van Asten
Malin, Peter Kessel-Lo (B)
Maschhaupt, Willem Amstelveen
Meer, Jetty van der Amsterdam
Meer, Sjors van der Groesbeek
Meijer, Marianne Apeldoorn
Meijer, Will Nijmegen
Menting, Eric & Ina Kroon Kockengen
Meulen, Rafaéla van der Loosdrecht
Miog, Nina Bergen
Moeken, Frederike Harlingen
Moerman, Lissa Goes
Molemans, Marie Gent (België)
Molenkamp, Wendy Deventer
Monten, Sylvia Zeist
Mooijman, Roger Den Haag
Moosdijk, Gerard van de Asten
Moosdijk-Smeelen, Janske van de Asten
Mulder, Guus de Venray
Natarajan, Vidya Enschede
Neirynck, Katrien Beveren-Leie (België)
Niemeyer, Raymond Borne
Nieuweboer, Kees Volendam
Nieuwenhuizen, Jan Eindhoven
Nijman, Arie Lelystad
Nijs, Carine Zutendaal (België)
Nijssen, Els Leiden
Nolte - Keersemaker, Wilma Nuenen
Nugteren, Dasa van Arnhem
Ober, Marc Hengelo
Oostendorp, Hans & Lian van Hout Eindhoven
Ortelee, Ingrid Lopikerkapel
Ottevangers, Dick Amsterdam
Oever, Cleo van den Esendorp
Pieters, Frank Arnhem
Pijls, Hans Mook (bij Nijmegen)
Pit, Jolande Dieren
Ploeg, Elsiet van der Leeuwarden
Poppel, Erna Oisterwijk
Potten, Anita Sittard
Pouw-Legêne Beek (L)
Post, Gambheera van der Amsterdam
Putten, Jim van Nijmegen
Raike, Ruud IJsselstein
Ravestijn, Marjan Deventer
Reekum, Antoinette van Utrecht
Reijers, Eddy & Ans Weerselo
Reijnders, Renate Brussel-Merchtem (België)
Ribbeling, Helene Amsterdam
Rive Box, Brigitte de la Maarssen
Rive Box-Perrin, Joke M.H.S. de la Maarssen
Rodenburg, Marco Den Bosch
Rombout, Cora Naarden
Rook, Anneke Krimpen a/d IJssel
Roos, Loes Utrecht
Rootmensen, Bernadien Amsterdam
Rooijen, Barbara van Den Haag
Rossum, Henk Venlo
Rozells, Yvonne Best
Salemink, Rob Doetinchem
Sanders, Marcel Venzelderheide
Schaay, Caroline Amsterdam
Schaper, Ineke Nijmegen
Scheers, Paul Booischot (België)
Scheffers, Mieke Utrecht
Schoenmakers, Henk Nijmegen
Schoenmakers, Marijke Mook (bij Nijmegen)
Schotsman, Hanita Utrecht
Schrofer, Neeltje Nieuwkoop
Schulte, Finette Zwolle
Sijben, Marian Buggenum (L)
Sijbinga, Alexander Den Bosch
Sijgers, Roy Utrecht
Sleddens, Guido Oploo (N.Br)
Smak, Nico Amsterdam
Smith, Della Amsterdam
Smits. Rock Eindhoven
Sommen, Rob vd & Helen Savenije Eindhoven
Stalbrink, Caroline Amsterdam
Stap, Mariëtte van der Maastricht
Steenman, Berend-Jan Toutour (Frankrijk)
Stek, Barbara van Amsterdam
Stevens, Norbert Budel
Stevens, Rian Budel
Stoffer, Synthia Apeldoorn
Timmermans, Caroline Utrecht
Tricht, Coby van Breukelen
Truyens, Linda Wilsele (België)
Veldhuyzen, Franke Amsterdam
Verdijk-Sleddens, Marijke Boxmeer
Verdoodt, Anne Erps-Kwerps (België)
Verhey, Mary & Aart Amsterdam-Zuidoost
Verhoef, Carla Amsterdam
Verhoef, Heini Groenekan (Utr.)
Verhoef, Marieke Groenekan (Utr.)
Verhulst, Carina Eindhoven
Velthuis, Arlita Amersfoort
Veltman, Alexandra Baak
Ven, Marleen van der Westmaas
Vercauteren, Bart Dilbeek (België)
Vermetten, John Chaam
Vermuyten, Hilde Kalmthout (België)
Verstegen, Boudewijn Utrecht
Vervoort, Hannie Helmond
Verweij, Jolanda Doesburg
Viezee, Viviane Sittard
Vijn, Irene Alkmaar
Vogelers, Désiree Eygelshoven
Voorhaar, Jenny en Ed Veldhoven
Vons, Wim Austerlitz
Vreede, Margot de Delft
Waal, Conny de Heerhugowaard
Wal, Rose van der Terheijden (NBr)
Waveren, Anne-Mieke van Burgh-Haamstede
Waveren, Tony van Bussum
Werf, Dirk van der Lopikerkapel
Westermann-Krijgsman, Jacqueline Rotterdam
Wevers, John & Michelle van der Wal Utrecht
Wierema, Frans Leiden
Wijffels, Loes Wijchen
Wijffels, Marijke Delft
Willigen, Mariska van der Utrecht
Wijnmaalen, Maria Rotterdam
Wingen, Margarete van der Amersfoort
Wit, Oda de Amsterdam
With, Carla & Jan de IJsselstein
Wolffenbuttel, Cissy De Bilt
Zaal, Lia Maarssen
Zandjans, Marja Borne
Zeebroeck, Mieke Van Merchtem (België)
Zoomers, Anneloes Apeldoorn
Zwart, Ebelie
This is a call on all Dutch ''Avatars'' to provide us with information
on how these "Masters'' conduct their activities, and what really
happens on ''Introduction nights'', ''Avatar Courses'' (local and
national) etc.
For more details contact the poster (alrik...@hotmail.com) or
Avatarsscam.com co-creators Ronald and Jeta (ronald...@planet.nl and
Jeta@xs4all) with your confidential and anonymous stories.
But you can also contact your local police-station directly.
Eldonbraun
I'll bet that 2/3 to 3/4 of these people haven't been involved in any
Avatar deliveries for two years or more. The Australian/NZ listings on
the equivalent site (obviously by the same webmaster, with the same
boring design) were trimmed down drastically to less than 1/3 several
months ago. A bunch of US websites have disappeared recently, including
the "cooperative" one for the San Francisco Bay Area.
I'm not saying all these people are hostile toward Avatar, or won't
refer someone in Holland or Belgium to an intro event. But I think all
their names are still there to give an ~illusion~ of presence.
Remember what MInx said about the proportion of Masters to students at
that course a few weeks ago? So many reviewing students and intern
Masters -- so few fresh, new students. What counts is the number of new
people who show up for Resurfacing, go through Part III and then sign
up for Masters.
This is how things happen in cults when it gets down to the True
Believe phase, and the peripheral people are shoved out of the group.
Sort of like what happened to Scientology when they kicked Hari out 20
years ago.
HAPPYsamuri
>
> This is how things happen in cults when it gets down to the True
> Believe phase, and the peripheral people are shoved out of the group.
> Sort of like what happened to Scientology when they kicked Hari out 20
> years ago.
>
yep there is some model on expansion contraction implosion etc
hARRY's timing was all wrong for someone supposedly ALIGNED witht the
operation of awareness in the planet
shame he hadn't studied with a true master of benevolance... he might v
learnt something
read the hare and the tortoise, look at a forest.... the lesson's are
there for those who can see thru the mystery
;-)
Eldonbraun
> Eldonbraun wrote:
>
> >
> > This is how things happen in cults when it gets down to the True
> > Believe phase, and the peripheral people are shoved out of the group.
> > Sort of like what happened to Scientology when they kicked Hari out 20
> > years ago.
> >
>
>
> yep there is some model on expansion contraction implosion etc
>
> hARRY's timing was all wrong for someone supposedly ALIGNED witht the
> operation of awareness in the planet
>
> shame he hadn't studied with a true master of benevolance... he might v
> learnt something
What he studied was the methods of a master con artist named L. Ron
Hubbard. The more I look at it, I don't think he ever studied WITH
anybody. It was more like observation of how to construct the mechanism
-- taking notes on the most effective techniques of kleptoparasitism.
HAPPYsamuri
> What he studied was the methods of a master con artist named L. Ron
> Hubbard. The more I look at it, I don't think he ever studied WITH
> anybody. It was more like observation of how to construct the mechanism
> -- taking notes on the most effective techniques of kleptoparasitism.
jeez I went to some place u sent me from alt LM... the guy who woke up
out of CoS and is now LOST to most of his family
that Hubbard shees... it's taken a while to sink in... it's like a
little infestation of con-man disese, bubbling on down to werner and
harry
i don't even think they had much original he was just good at
repackaging crowley and mrs beaselys[?] lot into scifi framing
Eldonbraun
> Eldonbraun wrote:
>
> > What he studied was the methods of a master con artist named L. Ron
> > Hubbard. The more I look at it, I don't think he ever studied WITH
> > anybody. It was more like observation of how to construct the mechanism
> > -- taking notes on the most effective techniques of kleptoparasitism.
>
>
> jeez I went to some place u sent me from alt LM... the guy who woke up
> out of CoS and is now LOST to most of his family
>
> that Hubbard shees... it's taken a while to sink in... it's like a
> little infestation of con-man disese, bubbling on down to werner and
> harry
Yes, it's quite a lineage. Hubbard borrowed from a lot of people
without attribution, of course, including Freud and Korzbyski:
http://thisisnotthat.com/sampler/3.html
Whatever he borrowed, he used in reverse to hypnotize and manipulate
people rather than benefit them.
I think the one other than Crowley you mentioned was Alice Bailey, the
Theosophist. Someone (I believe Cody) mentioned her writing as a model
for how to set up a cult organization. Probably this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Group_of_World_Servers
As for Crowley, he thought Hubbard was a dolt and a troublemaker.
Interestingly, Crowley's OTO/Golden Dawn thing was considered
heretical, but he did have a moral bent in his "Do what thou wilt"
slogan, since he defined Will as a developed intuitive ability to act
properly under the circumstances.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Will
Thelema roughly means "will" in greek. The phrase True Will does not
appear in the Book of the Law, the central sacred text of Thelema.
Nevertheless, Aleister Crowley's various commentaries on the Book
routinely postulate that each individual has a unique and
incommensurable True Will that determines his or her proper course in
life. This invention of Crowley's appears to be an attempt to explain
how some actions may be wrong (or "false") when "There is no law beyond
Do what thou wilt." [1] Actions that conform to True Will are thus
considered to be correct, while willed actions that deviate from True
Will may nevertheless be wrong.
Going further back to Crowley's mentors and teachers, one was the
British Buddhist monk Charles Henry Allan Bennett, who wasn't
interested in much outside Buddhism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allan_Bennett
On the occult side, Crowley was originally taught by Samuel Liddell
MacGregor Mathers, who later became a bitter enemy. Oh, and he was
married to the sister of Henri Bergson! Small world.
http://www.kheper.net/topics/Hermeticism/Mathers.html
He was the magical patron of Aleister Crowley, who, following the break
with Golden Dawn members, he saw as his magical heir. But the two men
later quarrelled (after Crowley puplished tracts of Golden Dawn
material in his own magazine, The Equinox), and even conducted an
occult battle against each other. A lot of the negative perception of
Mathers is due to Crowley's ostentatious record of things.