Avatar from a self help book?

[curious...@yahoo.com]

Let me try a new approach.
In reading through the threads I though I saw claims that the only
good that comes out of avatar can be easily found in self help books.
Can somebody point me to an example? Grace, Senin you seem to have
the most even minded approach here, can you help?

thanks.

[Grace]

Curious,

In previous post I state that I feel the first two sections of the
Avatar course have some value to them.

In these sections you will find such things as goal setting (easily
found in self help books) and exercises to develop focus and increase
the ability of where you place your attention.

These exercises are found in the free mini courses.

What I want others to be aware of is the "unworkability" of the
Creative Handling Procedure (CHP) and the process known as running
lists. These lists consist of affirmations such as "I do it". Again
the idea of repeating an affirmation over and over, or writing it
down, is found in many self help books. What you do on the Avatar
course is run these lists until you get a "pass" which is doing it for
days and days. That, along with another exercise called "Feel It's"
leads to a trance state or a highly suggestible state.

These exercises are found in Section 3 of the Avatar course which is
the most expensive.

In response to your question about how to get "someone" to see the
light about their involvement in Avatar; I wouldn't suggest doing an
intervention.

The best way is to ask questions about Avatar, be truly interested.
Ask what of value, what gains they have received from doing the
courses. Get them thinking about what they have lost. Slowly work
them back to "reality". Get them interested in some other activity in
which they are passionate about.

There are many, many Masters and Wizards that have spent years doing
the courses and have left behind. And there are a few who continue to
believe that Avatar is the "real" deal. I hope your friend isn't in
that group.

grace

[Senin]

Hi Curious,

I am not sure what you are after here, but here is my take.

Sure, you could research and find other sources of technologies
(Tibetan llamas) similar to Avatar-- the Feel It's, the Label It's,
the Release It's. Over the years, there are people who have said just
about everything. As I have said before, I really like Harry's theory
of things-- people get inside "creations", and it is up to us to let
go of those creations. Etc etc etc. Harry's theory is great. I even
liked his Section 1 and Section 2. All great "theory". The problem
is when it's crunch time. Section 3-- CHP- in my opinion, isn't
really worth much. It doesn't really "handle" the creations.

What I do like? I like Genpo Roshi's Big Mind. It will get you to
Source, faster and cheaper than Harry.

I have looked for that instant release for years. It's not there.
Sometime, you just need to feel the pain. Big Mind will show you
whether you are feeling through your Ego Self or your Big Self. The
Ego Self is like a child-- doesn't want the pain, is spoiled, wants,
wants, wants. The Big Self is your True Self. You just lay back into
that and everything is okay-- one with the universe. But you
shouldn't always reside there. Its a duality.

Even of my chattering on.

I hope you find what you are looking for.

Happy New Year

Senin

[Wayne]

Well, there you go. I found the Avatar Course to be astonishingly
good. I first did the course almost 25 years ago and it's a life-
changer.

Sorry about these others here but the vast majority who have taken the
course have found it delivers beyond their wildest dreams.

Linger, if you must, with the chronic grumblers here. But you'd get
better insights from those who have successfully finished the course.
Try the avatarepc site, for instance.

[Grace]

On Jan 2, 11:49 pm, Wayne <waynemcma...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Well, there you go.  I found the Avatar Course to be astonishingly
> good.  I first did the course almost 25 years ago and it's a life-
> changer.
>
> Sorry about these others here but the vast majority who have taken the
> course have found it delivers beyond their wildest dreams.
>
> Linger, if you must, with the chronic grumblers here.  But you'd get
> better insights from those who have successfully finished the course.

> Try the avatarepc site, for instance.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Oh the great Wayne is trying to counter our claims.

Maybe you would like to share, if you really "think" the Avatar course
is that good, how many of your kids have taken the full course and
Masters? And have gone on to deliver the course.

How many of your wives are delivering the course? I say wives because
we all know you never got fully licensed to deliver the course
yourself.

Lookee here, if the course is so good, how come 90% of the people who
take it, once they come down from the Avatar "high" never have
anything more to do with it?

grace

[Wayne]

Holy cow, "Grace"! Don't bust a gasket on my account!

I'm pretty sure that the quality of the Avatar Course doesn't depend
on whether my kids drop out of college to hightail it to Orlando. You
know a few have done the course, a few will do it when they've
ripened, and some may never make it. I can live with that and you
should too.

You'd really be better off if you got over your weird ideas of me.
This shit will make you go blind.

[Grace]

On Jan 3, 10:39 pm, Wayne <waynemcma...@cox.net> wrote:
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> You'd really be better off if you got over your weird ideas of me.

> This shit will make you go blind.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Weird ideas? I think there's a difference between facts and ideas.

No, one doesn't have to drop out of college to do an Avatar course
afterall it's only a 10 day course.

Maybe you're afraid that if your kids did the course they would get
"puddled" and lose motivation to be productive? Maybe you haven't
figured out how to get them back to reality after the Avatar course
"high"?

Or could it be you don't have the money to send them to do the
course? It does get pretty darn expensive.

Or could it be they have witnessed their father's obsessive,
complusion with the cult and they want nothing to do with it?

grace

[kotz...@gmail.com]

High tail it to Orlando?. Your insistence of the purity of Avatar on ACA should demand it..Gee.. Wayne doesn't want his kids to take a 10 day break to do the Avatar
course because becoming a foot doctor (or whatever) is more important than becoming an Avatar..As Eldon would say..bwhahahahaha

[Wayne]

On Jan 3, 9:05 pm, kotzz...@gmail.com wrote:
> High tail it to Orlando?. Your insistence of the purity of Avatar on ACA should demand it..Gee.. Wayne doesn't want his kids to take a 10 day break to do the Avatar
> course because becoming a foot doctor (or whatever) is more important than becoming an Avatar..As Eldon would say..bwhahahahaha

Eldon (may his soul roast on a spit) would bwa-ha-ha at anyone with a
job as he was an unemployable piece of shit collecting disability for
long-term mental problems. You are too, methinks.

What the hell is Grace talking about with a "obsessive/compulsion"
with the cult? Near as I can tell, the Avatar Course is a nine-day
course you do to improve your life and then you go home to live that
better life. I believe I've invested maybe 40 days of Avatar course-
time in the past 25 years, and with excellent return on that time
invested.

The only O/C cult around here is you guys. Seriously, give it a
break, and head down to your local disability office to whine for
increased benefits or something.

At least you'll eat better.

[Grace]

On Jan 4, 6:48 pm, Wayne <waynemcma...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> What the hell is Grace talking about with a "obsessive/compulsion"
> with the cult?

What am I talking about?

Ten years of 24/7 posting on any site that would allow you to
participate. When you wanted control of the delete button you started
your own site Avatar Overdrive. Doesn't "overdrive" sort of indicate
to you exactly what kind of condition you were in? How about your
nonstop talking on the phone to anyone who would listen to you?
Unfortunately, I was one of the ones subjected to you obsessive/
compulsive egotisical ramblings about Avatar and Scientology.

If that wasn't enough how about the three inch binder of emails I had
from you. And that was just the ones I saved.

Makes me want to puke everytime I think of some of the content in
them. And that I hung onto your every word, like you "knew".

Honestly, good for your kids for standing up for themselves and not
following your lead into craziness.

grace

[Wayne]

You're threatening to puke? What next? Can you crap your pants?

[Wayne]

On Jan 4, 4:43 pm, Grace <cclip...@gmail.com> wrote:

There you go!

Wasn't that cathartic?

Hope you feel better, dearie.

[curious...@yahoo.com]

Thanks all that replied.

Thanks for all the suggesions. At this point the eveidence I have at
hand shows that the life of my family members has changed only in the
way that they seem more disconected from reality, every member that
started going is now in some kind of financial hardship, and their
time is being devoted to multiple visits to the course a year rather
then working on their finances or their family lives. I am puzzled
for why thats an outcome for them. Again thanks for your inputs