Now and then a few guys do prefer an UNcut model in GAY porn. Then again, a
few GAYS like other forms of unusual and odd sexual stimulation such as scat,
bondage, piercings and abuse.
I guess you mean American gay men? I have seen some pictures from
Europe that are uncut.
But, I also read of a queer wishing to recruit college men for videos.
The ad read, as I recall.. most be under 25, right weight height and
CUT.
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Before you buy.
>It is an absolute fact that GAY men prefer CUT dick over UNcut. The porn
>industry proves it.
and your point? One of the biggest hurdles to the anti-circ movement is that
many people think that anti-circ = gay foreskin fetish. Thank you for posting
this. You've just proven them wrong. And I'm being totally serious.
Nick
Well of course "anti-circ = gay foreskin fetish".
What is clearly apparent is that it is a small
relentlessly prolific group of hard core
fetishists that form the core of the
anti-circ/pro-4skin movement.
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wadi wrote:
>
> Well of course "anti-circ = gay foreskin fetish".
> What is clearly apparent is that it is a small
> relentlessly prolific group of hard core
> fetishists that form the core of the
> anti-circ/pro-4skin movement.
Yet another stupid statement from the resident genetically inferior
South African Yiddish catamite.
Well I guess a response like that serves to prove
my point.
=)
The cut bananna for queer boys.. Jesus just go to any the the queer
sites and you'll get your fill of cut dicks.
--
Circumcision is the largest scale medical and ethics fraud of all time.
> Good god yes. All gays love cut dicks as apposed to uncut dicks whether in
> image or in real life. I know that every gay I've ever known did, including me.
> By the way...
> You wouldn't have any pictures of any would you???
>
> =)
What total rubbish.
Another myth.
Some prefer it one way; some the other.
The vast majority don't really care what the optional attachments are.
Although quite a few want it to be big.
And many are fairly concerned as to whether its owner is HIV
negative and a physical demi-god.
Yes, that may be true. But, my counseling class we read a book (
autobiography) of a gay author for our class.
The man was a literary genius, and when he was in Europe, starved for
sex, he always shyed off until he met an American Marine with a
monsterous
circumcised dick. Size and body build do matter. But are you saying more
than circ status?
What does that say for American gays as a group?
Nothing?
What about the ads for models where CUT is a requirement?
What about the numerous gay photo postings where NOT one man in 50 is
intact?
>What about the ads for models where CUT is a requirement?
>What about the numerous gay photo postings where NOT one man in 50 is
>intact?
YIKES Coonie! Settle down!! Thats a good thing. Dont fight it!! Too many people
that anti-circ = gay fetish for foreskin. I hope word does get around that gay
guys *vastly* prefer cut cock. It may or may not be true. In this case: WHO
CARES???
Yes, it is. Now we need to declare normal penis is good for women and
will give them many more orgasms without chaffing.
I hope the broom handle guys don't get too paranoid, but intact is good
for men and women.. but despised by gays.
Maybe they're afraid of the oral aspects? A clean intact penis is better
for oral sex too. And the hygiene issue really is a red herring.
I've got nothing against doughnut punchers, if they want to dance the
chocolate cha cha that's entirely their business.
I just find it a tad tedious that they're so bloody aggressive about it.
Serge.
> In article <39551B21...@sympatico.ca>,
> "Rick B." <integrit...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > athisdude wrote:
> >
> > > Good god yes. All gays love cut dicks as apposed to uncut dicks
> whether in
> > > image or in real life. I know that every gay I've ever known did,
> including me.
> > > By the way...
> > > You wouldn't have any pictures of any would you???
> > >
> > > =)
> >
> > What total rubbish.
> >
> > Another myth.
> >
> > Some prefer it one way; some the other.
> >
> > The vast majority don't really care what the optional attachments are.
> >
> > Although quite a few want it to be big.
> >
> > And many are fairly concerned as to whether its owner is HIV
> > negative and a physical demi-god.
> >
>
> Yes, that may be true. But [in] my counseling class we read a book
> (autobiography) of a gay author for our class.
> The man was a literary genius and when he was in Europe, starved for
> sex, he always shyed off until he met an American Marine with a
> monsterous
> circumcised dick. Size and body build do matter. But are you saying more
> than circ status?
Why do many straight men want women with huge breasts and an
hourglass figure? Why do black men marry black women more often
than white ones? Why do Puerto Rican women often marry Puerto
Rican men? Why do some women only go for men with money.
It all has to do with sexual/emotional ideals which are formed quite
early in life -- usually early adolescence.
If your author learned to lust after huge clipped dick at 13, he may
never have grown beyond that. So? His loss. Why do you accept
his voice as universal just because it's in print?
>
> What about the ads for models where CUT is a requirement?
Who knows. Maybe they're photographing for Playgirl which has
editors who are remarkably bigoted about being clipped.
What about the films of Kristen Bjorn and Belami who tend to
recruit from almost anywhere EXCEPT the U.S.? Almost all
their "actors" are natural? The leaders for Belami films even
have a voice-over of "Big Uncut Dicks!"
Or, for straight films, check out the "European" section of your
video store. (Americans pay so much more than Canadians for
their porn and it's not nearly so broadly available.) Lots of
European videos never make it to the American market because
of the difference in television technology (PAL v. NTSC etc.)
As I've said before: it depends on what's available to the photographers.
Most of the guys willing to accept such jobs are in their 20's and
were born in the U.S. at a time when the circumcision rate was
high. And the photographers either have their own very personal
likes and dislikes or they're trying to cater to a market of men who
are either clipped themselves or of women who have known nothing
else.
It's not some kind of "inborn" preference. Just a matter of
a learned sexual response based on the prevalent material
and stereotypes.
Instead of writing about his own passions exclusively, your author
might have devoted a few paragraphs to the healthy outlook of all
those Europeans who see a complete penis as perfectly natural
and a clipped one as a religious or American "curiosity" but
one which doesn't intimidate or frighten them.
Probably, in 20-odd years, with the U.S. circ. rate what it is today,
we'll see not only more uncut models available for hire, but an
audience that is more receptive and, in a few cases, demanding
of the natural man.
>
> What about the numerous gay photo postings where NOT one man in 50 is
> intact?
50? Rubbish. Try hanging out on the Latino newsgroups. It will
make my point perfectly. Models with natural (and ungainly large)
penises are what's available. It's what the audience learned to
appreciate. It's known by the photographers to be in demand.
It's typically what gets posted.
Maybe in the U.S., in a few more years, we'll see more healthy,
mature and broader attitudes like many Europeans today. But, to
a large degree, it will be up to Americans to decide they WANT to
grow in their outlooks. And that's something that Americans are
not good at.
r.
If I were a gay or straight lover the only one of the above I would
understand at all is MONEY= MORE FUN
.
>
> What about the films of Kristen Bjorn and Belami who tend to
> recruit from almost anywhere EXCEPT the U.S.? Almost all
> their "actors" are natural? The leaders for Belami films even
> have a voice-over of "Big Uncut Dicks!"
Good point.. I wasn't aware of that.. but I guess a prejudice can cut
both ways?
> As I've said before: it depends on what's available to the
photographers.
> Most of the guys willing to accept such jobs are in their 20's and
> were born in the U.S. at a time when the circumcision rate was
> high. And the photographers either have their own very personal
> likes and dislikes or they're trying to cater to a market of men who
> are either clipped themselves or of women who have known nothing
> else.
Well that's true, but are you agreeing with me here?
> It's not some kind of "inborn" preference. Just a matter of
> a learned sexual response based on the prevalent material
> and stereotypes.
Yeah, and I'm beginning to think most of this planet is so F***ing
dumb they would all go over the cliffs of Dover if one lemming was a
Hollywood screen idol and lead the way.
.
>
> Probably, in 20-odd years, with the U.S. circ. rate what it is today,
> we'll see not only more uncut models available for hire, but an
> audience that is more receptive and, in a few cases, demanding
> of the natural man.
>
I hope you are right. The circ numbers if correct, would tend to say
in only a few years many more young intacts will be in films etc..
I can't say, we can only guess at this point.
> > What about the numerous gay photo postings where NOT one man in 50
is
Guess I'm not looking enough. I only looked at a few amateur pictures
on the usenet alt.binaries groups.
In the so called intact file, there is nothing intact and very few
postings.
Look at it this way. Anyone who says it looks like an ant eater is just
jealous as hell. And, as well, when foreskin back, usually it takes an
expert to see the difference.
--
Circumcision is the largest scale medical and ethics fraud of all time.
>
> And, as well, when foreskin back, usually it
takes an
> expert to see the difference.
>
I would have thought the smell would give the game
away?
Maarten
Maarten
Dr. Coonie Street wrote in message
> Well, yes, no one ever said ALL gay men like cut cocks better.
>The issue is that most or by far American gay men like and are addicted
>to circumcised members.
>That's what's being said and I think based on my limited surfing of the
>web, believe that is quite correct.
Well, yes, no one ever said ALL gay men like cut cocks better.
But you are wrong here Maarten ... most of the
boys who post in favour of the 4skin do so because
they have a peculiar fetish for the hideous thing
... they just can't help themselves.
wadi wrote in message <96230678...@proxy.lia.net>...
Well, not to be disrespectful or flippant as this GOD knows Connie
never is... (my nose itches)
Do you know of any gay men who like this northern wild penis type enough
to go to Canada on hoilidays and for vacations?
Actually if so this could bring a lot of new dollars into Canadian
banks.
Someone recently pointed out among gay men, their affluence is well
above that of the average American. i.e. they make, spend and HAVE more
money
Maarten
Maarten
In other words gay men on average shun uncut and crave cuts.
O.K. I see. And this was the premise made way back in the beginning of
this LONG thread!
But, I am to understand Quebec is almost all la nautral.. except for the
Jews of Montreal and the surrounding hinderlands.
And I do agree enough said.
The point well proven I think, is anti-circs are not gay foreskin
fetishers. And, this was the second point made early in this thread.
Don't mind Wads.. he is a South African Jew.. as rare as that salt
sucking creature on Star Trek that Dr. Crater tried to protect.
> In article <TKS65.25$dN1....@brie.direct.ca>,
> "maarten" <mjwd...@direct.ca> wrote:
> > Yes, I do know of such gay Americans Coonie.
> > Tourism is the number one industry in my part of Canada; British
> Columbia.
> > Vancouver is one of the world's gay capitals, and so we do get a
> number of
> > gay American tourists, although I would be the first to acknowledge
> that the
> > number who are actually foreskin hounds spending their time in the
> obvious
> > places(Wreck Beach, bathhouses, etc.) to find what they are looking
> for, are
> > a small number.
> > Enough on that topic.
> >
> > Maarten
> >
>
> In other words gay men on average shun uncut and crave cuts.
> O.K. I see. And this was the premise made way back in the beginning of
> this LONG thread!
In other words, no such thing. Your premise is not only
unfounded in the beginning, but trying to make that
conclusion out of what was posted can't be seen as much
more than twisting whatever others have said and
overlaying what you want to be true.
Anyway, it's not my job to convince you. Believe whatever
you want. Just don't go spouting it off as fact.
Another Canadian (who, BTW, almost had a cut boyfriend
from Quebec who wasn't Jewish.)
r.
This would seem to indicate gay men get cut when they become sexually
active. I say this since it is quite well known Quebec has an almost
zero newborn circ rate. If this is true, it would add evidence to the
gay man circumcision connection?
However, if your lover was born before 70's the chance would have been
one in three of his being cut.
> In article <395C7FD1...@sympatico.ca>,
> "Rick B." <integrit...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > "Dr. Coonie Street" wrote:
> >
> >
> > Another Canadian (who, BTW, almost had a cut boyfriend
> > from Quebec who wasn't Jewish.)
> >
> > r.
> >
>
> This would seem to indicate gay men get cut when they become sexually
> active. I say this since it is quite well known Quebec has an almost
> zero newborn circ rate. If this is true, it would add evidence to the
> gay man circumcision connection?
Just what the fuck is your agenda here, Coonie?
Why do you have this obsessive need to prove a connexion
between being gay and preferring circumcised penises?
And why, when you say you're not gay, do you consider
yourself some sort of authority over those who are much
closer to where the action is?
Your problem.
And now, as usual, Coonie has to get in the last word:
Maarten
Rick B. wrote in message
>I couldn't have said it better myself:)!
>Happy Canada Day Rick!
I'd like to second this. As the sole non-Canadian in my immediate family
(all of whom, oddly enough, flew into Vancouver to vacation in Washington
state!), I'd like to wish all Canadians a Happy Canada Day!
Craig
craig wagner wrote in message ...
And likewise to you both! :-))
Rick
(exit, stage left, waving flags)
Well that's another reason to NOT have your sons circumcised.
One can sleep at night knowing that the shirtlifters are more interested in
the cut boys.
Serge.
> Look at it this way. Anyone who says it looks like an ant eater is just
> jealous as hell.
By the same logic, wouldn't anyone who says a circ'd penis looks
"mutilated" also just be jealous as hell?
> And, as well, when foreskin back, usually it takes an
> expert to see the difference.
Yup.
I don't think it's fair to generalize about gay men. Some DO prefer circ'd
cocks, but others prefer cocks with foreskins just as strongly. Just read
some gay personals ads. Every gay guy is different with respect to what
physical traits turn him on (just like every heterosexual guy).
As for the implication that gay men are pedophiles, most AREN'T (just like
their heterosexual counterparts). And when it comes to the (relatively
few) men who ARE pedophiles, I read somewhere that about 80% of all
reported child molesting cases involve heterosexual men and young GIRLS
(Rick B., I think you could probably back me up here).
Not quite. Its estimated only one in ten male-male child molestations
get reported. And even fewer of the female (adult) male molestations.
On average we can say without much chance of being wrong, North American
gay men prefer circumcised boys for their pray. Now, I agree that it is
unfair, as Dr. Luara has done, to accuse most gay men of preferring sex
with adolescent boys. She says 13,14..
In my estimation it is hard to go beyond 15 and say the older person is
the molester and that child molestation has taken place.
Young adults are very savvy and sexually aware these days.
>
> I don't think it's fair to generalize about gay men. Some DO prefer circ'd
> cocks, but others prefer cocks with foreskins just as strongly. Just read
> some gay personals ads. Every gay guy is different with respect to what
> physical traits turn him on (just like every heterosexual guy).
>
> As for the implication that gay men are pedophiles, most AREN'T (just like
> their heterosexual counterparts). And when it comes to the (relatively
> few) men who ARE pedophiles, I read somewhere that about 80% of all
> reported child molesting cases involve heterosexual men and young GIRLS
> (Rick B., I think you could probably back me up here).
I can't quote stats but I remember hearing something from
quite awhile ago along those lines.
Because I've worked with community organizations, I've
met a lot of gay men over the years. I've only known
one who "liked 'em young", but that was in the range of
15-17 and one other who liked actual boys.
I have nothing against seeing a picture of a naked boy
myself but NOT in sexual activity and it's more from
a wistful "I remember when I felt that innocent".
But I couldn't get turned on by it if I tried. It's
got nothing to do with sex but a lot of people who
WANT to find something wrong with that would
insist up and down that it does. I think that that's
partly to "blame" for seeing pedophilia where it
doesn't exist -- even moreso if it's perceived as
happening in an already despised group like gays.
Probably the same thing in the views of nudism,
group sex and SM/BD.
"They all immoral, doncha know!"
As for the stats about higher percentages of child
interest in hets versus gays, it would be no surprise.
In my opinion the motivation behind the two is
entirely different. In the het scene it's usually
about controlling someone who can't fight back;
I believe it's something else when it happens in
gay men.
r.
Maarten